1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: You don't know if you're gonna meet the moment until 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: the moment find you. You have no idea. You think 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: you know what you would do, you think you know 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: how you might respond, but you don't really actually know 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: till you're right there in the fire. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: You know. 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump singled me out on social media as that 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: was happening. I mean, I'm making mental decisions in real time, 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: and I had to sort of have a few moments 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: with myself and saying like, Okay, if this results in 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: you being fired, like right in this moment, what are 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: you gonna do? 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: That was Jamel Hill thrown into a national firestorm after 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: being publicly singled out by the President of the United States. 15 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 3: What followed tested her convictions like never before. What does 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: it mean to show up as your whole self no 17 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 3: matter the cost? In this best of episode of My Legacy, 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: host Smartin Luther King the Third, Andrea Waters, King, Mark Kilberger, 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: and Craig Kilberger explore what it means to tell the 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: truth about who you are and stand in it even 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: when it's hard, when it's messy, when the world tells 22 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: you not to. We'll hear from Billy Porter on why 23 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: the comfort of being accepted. Is it worth the pain 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 3: of hiding your truth? Patrick Kennedy on turning a public 25 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 3: unraveling into a greater purpose. Jamel Hill reminds us courage 26 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: isn't planned, it's revealed. And first up. Sarah Jakes Roberts, 27 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: the heir to Bishop TD Jakes's ministry, on how embracing 28 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: her truth became her greatest calling. 29 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 4: Sarah becoming a mom at fourteen, I'm sure that was 30 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 4: a lot of judgment, a lot of pressure, expectations, especially 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: when you look at it within the faith community. Right, 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 4: So what do you remember around that in that moment 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 4: and how do you feel it shaped you and your 34 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 4: legacy moving forward. 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 5: Fourteen is such a young age to become a mother 36 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 5: that I think to properly contextualize it, you have to 37 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 5: understand that I was not afraid of being pregnant or 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 5: having a baby. I thought I was going to get 39 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 5: in trouble. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to 40 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 5: get grounded or my parents are going to be so upset. 41 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 5: It wasn't until I saw their response that I began 42 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 5: to realize that this is much bigger than like you 43 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 5: got in trouble, like your life has completely changed. But 44 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 5: to my mom's credit, one of the things she told me, 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 5: she's like, I didn't get rid of my babies. I 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 5: didn't give them away. Whatever you decide to do, I'm 47 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 5: going to stick with you every step of the way. 48 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 5: And she did that, and a man, there were so 49 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: many moments where I've won. I felt like the pregnancy 50 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 5: just solidified this idea that I don't belong in that family. 51 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 5: So if you go back to that image of me 52 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 5: as a little girl being confused and amazed, I think 53 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 5: in that moment, it was solidified, like, oh my goodness, 54 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 5: you don't belong here, and so it became so easy 55 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 5: for me to kind of move into the background. But 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 5: I think in moving into the background that it also 57 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 5: gave me an opportunity to discover my identity outside of 58 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 5: my family name. It's like I'm already the black Sheep, 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 5: I'm already disconnected. Now I get to just kind of 60 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: figure out who I am and what I want to 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 5: do with my life. And though my life had certainly 62 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 5: had some twist and turns, even since having the pregnancy, 63 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 5: I found a real sense of being okay with myself 64 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 5: without the validation of other people. Because I'd lost it 65 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 5: in many ways. And the moment that I began to 66 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 5: really say, you know what, this is my story. I'm 67 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 5: gonna love it, I'm gonna embrace it, and I'm gonna 68 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 5: wake up each day and really do the best that 69 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 5: I can, I began to see my life change for myself. 70 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 5: And so I started writing this blog just about me. 71 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 5: I was in this toxic marriage and I was like, 72 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 5: you know what, my life is unraveling, and I'm going 73 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 5: to help it come undone by telling these stories on 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 5: this blog. And people started gravitating towards my message, like, 75 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 5: oh my gosh, that's me. You took the words that 76 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 5: I couldn't say, Oh my gosh, this is what I 77 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 5: would pray to God if I could pray these things. 78 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 5: And I was like, oh my goodness, this is not ministry, 79 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 5: Like this is just me telling my story. I can't 80 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 5: be a ministry. I'm a teen mom. And so I 81 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 5: wrote this blog post where I was like, I'm gonna 82 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 5: just let everybody know that I'm a teen mom so 83 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 5: they can stop putting that pressure on me. It kind 84 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 5: of backfired because there like, oh my goodness, now that 85 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 5: I know that you have a story too, now I 86 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 5: trust you even. 87 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 6: More, Sarah. 88 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 7: When I think of your ministry or I think of 89 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 7: women involve it has been built on this radical transparency, 90 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 7: like you have redefined what it means to be a 91 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 7: woman of faith based on radical transparency, your past, your marriage, 92 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 7: You're sharing your stories. Why has it being so important 93 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 7: for you to be this radically transparent with all those 94 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 7: who look to you? 95 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 5: You know, I don't know that I saw it as 96 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 5: radical when it started. Like I said, I kind of 97 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 5: thought that if I told people, they would be like, oh, 98 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 5: my goodness, will leave her alone and it won't be 99 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 5: a thing. But the more that I realized how many 100 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 5: of us are suffering in silence, the more I felt like, 101 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 5: if I can tell my story and it helps someone else, 102 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 5: then I'll tell it one more time, and if it 103 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 5: helps someone else, I'll tell it another time. And I 104 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 5: think what I have learned is that through isolation, the 105 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 5: darker voices, the harder voices, the meaner voices that we 106 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 5: hear in our head, they're loud, and until you hear 107 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 5: someone say like, hey, I felt that too, But I'm 108 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 5: telling you it wasn't always like that, or that I 109 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 5: found a flicker that it gives someone permission to start 110 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 5: looking for light even in their dark seasons. And I 111 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 5: didn't want to. I didn't want to be in ministry. 112 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 5: I didn't have this as like a goal in my heart. 113 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 5: And so I'm like, if I'm gonna do this, I'm 114 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 5: gonna at least be honest. I don't want anyone to 115 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 5: ever be surprised that because I preached a message that 116 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 5: I experienced depression, that I worked at a strip club, 117 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 5: Like I want you to know, like this is what 118 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 5: you're getting. It is not much, but I am gonna 119 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 5: give my best. I'm gonna share my best, and if 120 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 5: I make you feel less alone, then girl, we could 121 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 5: grab arms and move towards better together. But I just didn't. 122 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 5: I just didn't want to. I didn't want to live 123 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 5: on a pedestal. I wanted to be able to Sometimes 124 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 5: on my social media, I'll be like all glammed up, 125 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 5: dressed up. Other moments I'll literally be snatching my wig 126 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 5: off and washing my face like this is like this 127 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 5: is all of who I am, and I just don't 128 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 5: want people to be connected to this caricature. I don't 129 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 5: want to be trapped in my own life, and so 130 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 5: for me My honesty has been my freedom. My honesty 131 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 5: has been the runway that allows me to not feel 132 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 5: stuck in this life. And I think because of that, 133 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 5: my prayer is that I'll continue to have endurance for 134 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 5: what is ahead because I don't have to figure out 135 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 5: how do I keep this mask up? How do I 136 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 5: keep this facade going? My greatest question is how do 137 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 5: I continue to be honest in a way that reaches 138 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 5: the most unlikely person? 139 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: Coming up Billy Porter on the one thing he will 140 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: never compromise again. And an unforgettable conversation with Jamel Hill 141 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: as she takes us inside the moment she risked it 142 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 3: all to stand in her truth. 143 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 8: Now back to my legacy, Billy, your career has been 144 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,239 Speaker 8: a masterclass in breaking barriers and living authentically. What drives 145 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 8: you to keep using your voice to create such substantive 146 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 8: change as you do. 147 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 9: Artists have the power to reach inside of a human 148 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 9: being and transform them from the inside out. Art has 149 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 9: the power to heal all kinds of traumas. My soul 150 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 9: was saved because of the art. If I didn't have 151 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 9: the arts, I don't think I would be alive right now. Maybe, 152 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 9: and I know that when I'm at my lowest for 153 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 9: as long as I can remember, it's my art that 154 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 9: gets me out of bed in the morning. And there 155 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 9: was also growing up, no representation, really, no mainstream crossover 156 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 9: rotator representation of somebody who looked like me, who stood 157 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 9: at that intersection of blackness, queerness and spirituality, and the 158 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 9: ones who did were ignored, dismissed, passed over, erased. And 159 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 9: so I know how I know what it felt like 160 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 9: to be invisible for over half my life. And the 161 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 9: only reason why I'm not invisible is because I chose myself. 162 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 9: I chose my authenticity. I chose to have the audacity 163 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 9: to actually choose myself, choose my authenticity and then stand 164 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 9: on that. 165 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 4: Did you do that deliberately or do you think that 166 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 4: choice was made for you? 167 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 9: No? No, because for the first part of my life 168 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 9: and my career, I was trying to fit in so 169 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 9: I could eat. I wasn't lying, you know, but it 170 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 9: was the don't act, don't tell era of the world, 171 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 9: and so I wasn't telling. I wasn't lying, but I 172 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 9: wasn't telling, and the omission of not telling is ultimately 173 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 9: a lie, and that binds you as well, you know. 174 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 6: And so. 175 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 9: I had the gift of failing at somebody else, and 176 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 9: particularly in the music industry in the nineties, and I 177 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 9: just vow to myself that I would never show up 178 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 9: as somebody else again, and whatever that meant for my 179 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 9: life and career is whatever it means. And I still 180 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 9: say that today. You know, I grew up in a 181 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 9: family who believed you got to stand for something or 182 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 9: you'll fall for anything. So even right now, you know, 183 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 9: with how you look at me, with how you see me, 184 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 9: which I think is so humbling and so inspiring and 185 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 9: exactly my point right to exist inside of the truth 186 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 9: and to have the audacity to be authentic and to 187 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 9: speak truth always, no matter how uncomfortable it may be 188 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 9: to some of the people around you. Sometimes is great, 189 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 9: and sometimes it's that so great, you know, sometimes there 190 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 9: are consequences that come with that, as you know. So 191 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 9: I'm grateful that my work and my efforts and my 192 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 9: intentions are being seen and experienced once again in the 193 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 9: spirit in which I am carrying them. 194 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 7: I got to go all the way back to the origin, 195 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 7: because when I look at the courage it took at 196 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 7: a very young age Patrick to be open, you know, 197 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 7: to battle addiction bipolar disorder rehabit eighteen. Yeah, can you 198 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 7: take us back to how that moment in your life 199 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 7: and frankly, how formative it was for you sitting here today. 200 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 6: Well, of course, in my family. 201 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 10: Even though we're big social justice like everyone else, we 202 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 10: felt really imprisoned by the shame and stigma of mental 203 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 10: health and addiction issues. 204 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 6: We wouldn't talk about them, even though whereas I. 205 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 10: Said, we're very progressive in all the rest, because the 206 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 10: power of. 207 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 6: Shame and stigma are so strong. 208 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 10: I did not become a leader as some profile and 209 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 10: courage that my uncle wrote about profiles and courage. I 210 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 10: reacted to a situation where the fellow that I had 211 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 10: been in drug rehab with had sold his story of 212 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 10: being in rehab with the Kennedy to the National Enquirer, 213 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 10: And so I had to see my own face on 214 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 10: the cover of the National Choir with the headlines Patrick 215 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 10: Kennedy drug addict and this is my going into my 216 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 10: second term in public office. Of course I thought my 217 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 10: political career was over. This was back in nineteen ninety 218 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 10: one when these were really big issues. Of Course, today 219 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 10: nothing knocks you out of the box because everything's fair game. 220 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 10: But my constituents was really something. They really didn't like 221 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 10: what had happened to me, and so they I was 222 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 10: re elected. When I got to Washington, I could sponsor 223 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 10: all this mental health legislation, including the one that I 224 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 10: kind of became known for, which is the Mental Health 225 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 10: Parody and Addiction Equedact. And I was the first name 226 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 10: on that bill. I was the youngest member of Congress 227 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 10: from the smallest state in the country, and yet I 228 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 10: got to put my name number one on a bill 229 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 10: that simply said that we had to treat the brain 230 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 10: like any other organ of the body and have insurance 231 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 10: coverage cover all the illnesses. Nobody wanted to be champion 232 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 10: of the And if you had a bill with the 233 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 10: title bill had the words mental in it and addiction, 234 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 10: I mean what politician wants to be the primary sponsor that? 235 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 10: Because of course the next question is, well, do you 236 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 10: have a mental health issue or an addiction issue? And 237 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 10: no one wants to answer that because of course we 238 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 10: all do, and so they don't want to go down 239 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 10: that rabbit hole. But for me, since this guy kind 240 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 10: of rated on me, I was thrown out there and 241 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 10: it ended up being one of the greatest things that 242 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 10: ever happened in my life. 243 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 6: So God works in mysterious ways. 244 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 7: Patrick, You've always been open on mental health issues, You've 245 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 7: talked about it, but the diagnosis of bipolar came later, 246 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 7: and a lot of people struggle without understanding diagnosis. So 247 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 7: can you help us understand a little bit of what 248 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 7: was your own personal journey to understand what you were 249 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 7: experiencing with the lens that that might help some of 250 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 7: the listeners who are searching on their own journey. 251 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 10: Well, you know, bipolar was used to be known as 252 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 10: manic depression, so I experienced a lot of mania and 253 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 10: part of the reason I was elected at twenty one 254 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 10: to the state legislature and then elected to Congress at 255 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 10: twenty seven. You'd sell, well, what is anyone thinking doing that? 256 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 10: But I, of course I had this fueled by the 257 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 10: fact that my family did big things, So of course 258 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 10: part of me thought, well, I can do big things. 259 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 10: But you know, it was definitely over my ski and 260 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 10: so there was that. And then self medicating with alcohol 261 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 10: and drugs was a way I used to manage those symptoms. Ironically, 262 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 10: I had the best psychiatrists in the world, but they 263 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 10: didn't often get the training and addiction I have just 264 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 10: celebrated my fourteenth year of continuous sobriety. I didn't get 265 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 10: sober until I was forty two. I was in and 266 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 10: out of hospitals throughout my time in Congress, and most 267 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 10: of them were obviously all anonymous. I made a big point, 268 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 10: even though I'm the champion of anti stigma, to not 269 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 10: say that I'm going in there because I still felt 270 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 10: the stigma. It's still very alive and well. So I 271 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 10: went to the Mayo Clinic rather than Hazelton for my 272 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 10: drug treatment because I thought if I went to the 273 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 10: Mayo Clinic, people might think I had a real illness, 274 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 10: you know, And that's when the height of my work 275 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 10: on parody. So this is very still very stigmatized, and 276 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 10: you know the best way to change that is to 277 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 10: normalize mental health as part of overall health. 278 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: Coming up, Jamel Hill takes on President Trump and refuses 279 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: to back down. Subscribe and share. You won't want to 280 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: miss this. 281 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 4: Now back to my legacy. 282 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 7: You talk about courage, and I want to reflect on 283 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 7: what that courage has meant because you know, very famously 284 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 7: in twenty eighteen, you called out President Trump's racism, You 285 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 7: called out Jerry Jones his stance on players taking a knee, 286 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 7: and that ultimately costs you your job. You know that 287 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 7: that's courage. And so when you talk about courage, when 288 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 7: you reflect back on that time, what did that teach 289 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 7: you about your voice? What does that teach you about 290 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 7: your values? And frankly, what did it teach you about 291 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 7: your willingness to risk at all for what you believe in? 292 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure a lot of people who have been 293 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: in far more dangerous positions than that one, especially as 294 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, with you all being so intimately acquainted with 295 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: the civil rights movement, is that you don't know if 296 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna meet the moment until the moment find you. 297 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: You have no idea. So if you would have asked 298 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: me before that actually happened, Hey, if this was the scenario, 299 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: what would you do? You think you know what you 300 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: would do, You think you know how you might respond, 301 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: but you don't really actually know till you're right there 302 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: in the fire. And so all of the decisions that 303 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: I made as the you know, White House called for 304 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 1: me to be fired, as you know, Donald Trump singled 305 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: me out on social media as that was happening. I mean, 306 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm making mental decisions in real time, and I had 307 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: to sort of have a few moments with myself and 308 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: saying like, Okay, if this results in you being fired, 309 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: like right in this moment, what are you gonna do? 310 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: Or if they put it on the table, hey, either 311 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: apologize to the president or you're gonna have to leave here. 312 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 10: What are you gonna do? 313 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: And I every instinct and every cell in my body 314 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: was like, if they asked me to apologize to the president, 315 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. And I made that clear 316 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: very early. I'm never apologizing to him. I said what 317 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: I said, and we just got to live with that. 318 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: The other part of it, too, is like knowing that, hey, 319 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: if this is the end of the road right here. 320 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't leave ESPN until a year later, 321 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: and I'd left on my own terms, and if at 322 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: the moment they had to make a business decision, I 323 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 1: just I would have lived with it. I mean, it 324 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't feel good, especially given all the work that I 325 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: put in to get to that point. And there's not 326 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: many people who get the opportunity to anchor the six 327 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: o'clock Sports Center, one of the sort of treasured time 328 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: slots at ESPN. But if that was the result, that 329 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: was the result. And at you know, when stuff like 330 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: this happens, where your integrity and your character is questioned, 331 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: you have to be able to live with yourself. And 332 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: I would not have been able to live with myself 333 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: had I capitulated in a way that I think would 334 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: not have spoke to who authentically I am. So it 335 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of lessons that I've found out in 336 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: real time and just because the situation was there, And 337 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: I'm thankful for that, because when similar situations, maybe not 338 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: always involving the President of the United States, but when 339 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: other tests of your character, your integrity, when those things happen, 340 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: it's muscle memory. Now you're confident because you've already done it. 341 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: And I've done it at a level that most people 342 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: don't get to do it at. And so when I'm 343 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: in meetings or in determining business relationships and things pop 344 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: up where you have to stand on something, I'm so 345 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: much more comfortable doing that because I've already done it before. 346 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: It's very similar to an athlete. I mean, I'm sure 347 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan missed a lot of game winning shots before 348 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: he actually made him, and when he finally made one, 349 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: it became muscle memory, and then after that that dude 350 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: was never losing, So I sort of approach it with 351 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: the mentality that an athlete might. 352 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 4: So even before that happened. Let's also go back to 353 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 4: your beginning days of ESPN, because, as you mentioned earlier, 354 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 4: you found yourself in rooms where you were, you know, 355 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: most times, one, if not the only woman, you know, 356 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: certainly probably the only black woman. So if we're talking 357 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 4: about legacy on this show, you know, and you at 358 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 4: ESPN early two thousands, you know that legacy is there. 359 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 4: But you said about that time that it is both 360 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 4: isolating and yet motivating. Can you share with our listeners 361 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 4: a little bit by what you mean by that? 362 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: So the isolating part is when I was a sports 363 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 1: columnist at the Orlando Sentinel. This would have been in 364 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: two thousand and five and most of two thousand and six, 365 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 1: I was the only black female sports columnist at a 366 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: daily newspaper in North America. And notice I didn't just 367 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: say America, right, So that's one out of four hundred 368 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: and five newspapers, And that is an embarrassing statistic for 369 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: the profession of journalism, and a lot of people might've 370 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: thought that that would have given me some sense of accomplishment. 371 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: It did not. 372 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 10: It. 373 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: What it was communicating to me, and even worse, communicating 374 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: to other women who might wanna get in the business, 375 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: is that your voices aren't necessary nor are they valued. 376 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: And so that's the isolating part, and you know it 377 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: also comes with a lot of scrutiny because you're the 378 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: only one and a lot of black people have been 379 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: in this uh situation and in all industries. Is that 380 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: when you're the only one, you then become the test case, right, 381 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: So you have to carry yourself a certain way because 382 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: you are living with the burden of if I mess up, 383 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: no one else is coming after me. Black people aren't perfect, right, 384 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: So it's like, if I make some junior mistakes or whatever, 385 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: if that's the reason why you won't see value in 386 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,239 Speaker 1: black women having voices in the sports space, then that 387 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: to me reflects more on you than it does on me. 388 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: So you're carrying all of this, but at the same time, 389 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, getting to ESPN, a place that is considered 390 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: to be for our profession at the very top, if 391 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: you're in sports media, being the most powerful sports media 392 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 1: company in America, then you know there's something to be 393 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: celebrated by being able to advance and take that step 394 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: and realize that all the hard work has brought you 395 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: to this place and brought you to this sense of elevation. 396 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 3: But it's always to. 397 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: Me about who is able to come behind you. As 398 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: a result, now, UESPN is in a very different position 399 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: because they can hire whoever they want, and you look 400 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: at their team picture and it's very diverse because they 401 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: have a lot of women. And even before I got there, 402 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 1: Robin Roberts was the one who set the table, you know, 403 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: and so they've always had a steady pipeline of women 404 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 1: of color and putting them in certain positions. Where I 405 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: was a little bit different is that they were traditional anchors, 406 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: and I was one of the few that were able 407 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: to develop a foot hole and an imprint at ESPN 408 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: by giving my opinion, by creating conversation based off my 409 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: perspective and my experience that I had as a sports 410 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: journalist over the course of many years. So I was 411 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: very thrilled to be there, but I also was fully 412 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: aware that if I walk into one more room and 413 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: I'm the only one in there, that's not a good room. 414 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: It's like I've never been one of those people. And there, 415 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: unfortunately are some people of color who are like this 416 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: that they do want to be the only one in 417 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: the room. I don't want to be the only one 418 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: in the room because I don't know everything. I don't 419 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: represent the entire totality of women of black women. I 420 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: do not do that. And so it's important that we 421 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: all you know, when we go in these rooms, that 422 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: is not just about getting in the room. It's about 423 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: getting in the room and kind of breaking it up 424 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: and opening the door even wider so that more of us. 425 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: So it's a you know, a flood of us coming in. 426 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: I loved when Kamala Harris said upon accepting the vice presidency, 427 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 4: I might be the first, but I won't be the last. 428 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 4: I love that sentiment. And so here you are at 429 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 4: you know, ESPN, you know, seemingly from the outside, you know, 430 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 4: riding on top of the world. Then you had this 431 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 4: unfair attack and this fall from where you had worked 432 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 4: so hard to be. But throughout all of that Ian 433 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 4: was there, and he you know, walked with you through 434 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 4: that storm and was always at your side. So my 435 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 4: question is you Ian, And particularly for couples that are 436 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 4: listening right now and if they're going through the storm, 437 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: they're watching someone that they love go through the storm. 438 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 4: What advice would you have for couples walking that path. 439 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: I believe communication is the key, you know, constant communication. 440 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 2: When Jamel had when she was going through her storm, 441 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 2: really first and foremost, I wanted to make sure that 442 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: I was there and she felt my presence and she 443 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: knew that she wasn't alone. We had a lot of 444 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 2: good times and that was probably the most challenging part 445 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: of our relationship up up to that point. So my 446 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 2: biggest thing was making sure that she didn't feel alone, 447 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: making sure that she felt my presence and we were 448 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: going to get through this together. And naturally, I'm a fixer, 449 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: so sometimes I have to dial that back because sometimes 450 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 2: she may just want to vent and she just needs 451 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: a listening ear versus you know, solution after solution. But 452 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 2: my goal was to remain positive throughout the entire situation 453 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: because I knew something good would come from it, and 454 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: a lot of things came from it that were good 455 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: on a positive note. So just positivity and communication would 456 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: be my advice to any couples going through any type 457 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: of turmoil. 458 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and remember when I got suspended. So I had 459 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: a two week suspension. I think I spent the first 460 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: week with you, right, So I and you know that 461 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: to me said a lot about our relationship. Is that 462 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: My immediate instinct after I got suspended was I need 463 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: to hop on the plane and I need to be 464 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: with him, right because I knew that the comfort I 465 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: was looking for, I knew the solace I was looking for. 466 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: I knew all of that could be found in him. 467 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: And you know that spoke volumes about our you know, relationship, 468 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: and I know it probably wasn't the easiest from you 469 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: in the sense of that. You know, here you have 470 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: me being discussed on all these news channels, and you 471 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: know he's all so in the corporate world, so you 472 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: have colleagues that are watching this. 473 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: Well, the challenge for me was, you know, under normal circumstances, 474 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: if I was dating a regular woman, if she got 475 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: into an issue with someone at work, I would just 476 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: go up there and have a conversation with that guy. 477 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: But with it being the President of the United States, 478 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 2: so it was a little handcom. 479 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 6: So it was a little challenging for me. 480 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 2: So, and that's another thing, you know, we have fun, 481 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: So making her laugh and just making. 482 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 6: Her feel comfortable. 483 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us for the best of my legacy. 484 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: New episodes drop every Tuesday. 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