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Speaker 2: This is straight fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, We are live on AMP. It's meet

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Speaker 2: Jason McIntyre. This is straight fire. For geez, what is today?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's September twenty sixth. We were recording

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Speaker 2: this Tuesday afternoon because there is breaking ish news in

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Speaker 2: the NBA. I know, it's almost like we forgot about

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Speaker 2: the NBA basketball ended months ago. Teams are reporting to

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Speaker 2: camp here in the next week and there is I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to decipher. That's half the battle with the NBA

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Speaker 2: as understanding where the news is coming from. So, according

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Speaker 2: to Mark Spears in I don't know, maybe a blockbuster report,

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Speaker 2: the Toronto Raptors are talking to the Portland Trail Blazers

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Speaker 2: about a trade for Damian Lillard. And that's where instantly

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Speaker 2: that sentence I need like a twenty second time out,

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Speaker 2: hold up hello, Hello, Hello hello a. Mark Spears is

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Speaker 2: not Woods, Narowski or Sham's, the two guys who break

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Speaker 2: most of the news b Mark Spears a credible reporter.

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Speaker 2: I think he just got into the NBA Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame or something. He is not Chris Haynes, who is

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Speaker 2: tight with Damian Lillard and broke the news back on

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Speaker 2: July first that Dame requested a trade. So the three

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Speaker 2: big NBA news breakers have not chimed in on this.

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Speaker 2: Mark Spears says Portland is talking to the Toronto Raptors

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Speaker 2: about a Damian Lillard trade. And I heard that and

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Speaker 2: I was like, full stop, Damian Lillard, who wants to

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Speaker 2: go to Miami, might get shipped to Toronto. And again,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to decipher all this and take it in

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Speaker 2: before I even get to the news. Who's in the deal,

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Speaker 2: Who's getting moved to Toronto? From Toronto to Portland? Who's

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Speaker 2: going to Portland for Dame? And I call up the

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Speaker 2: Toronto Raptors roster. Here are you guys ready? Hoopsype that's

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Speaker 2: my go to for salary cap stuff, hoopsite salaries. Pascal

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Speaker 2: Siakam he's making thirty seven point eight mil this year

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Speaker 2: and then he's a free agent. Yakub pertl twenty million

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Speaker 2: dollar a year guy. They I think they just got him.

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Speaker 2: They're not moving him. Og Nnobi eighteen point six mil,

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Speaker 2: and he's got a player option for nineteen. Probably won't

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Speaker 2: take that because he thinks he can get more. I mean,

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Speaker 2: why isn't he a thirty million dollars a year guy?

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Speaker 2: I mean, NBA, it was just just throwing around money

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Speaker 2: like manhole covers, just tossing it around. Will take whoever?

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Speaker 2: I mean, oj Nnobi, why can't he make thirty mil?

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Speaker 2: And then Gary Trent is another expiring at eighteen point

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Speaker 2: five mil. The crown jewel on the Toronto Raptors roster

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Speaker 2: would be Scotty Barnes, the young kid who two years

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Speaker 2: ago was ticketed for great and is then everybody hyped

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Speaker 2: the hell out of him. I said, whoa Scotty Barnes untouchable?

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Speaker 2: And then he had like a mediocre sophomore season. Those

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Speaker 2: are like the big dudes on this roster. They also

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Speaker 2: have Dennis Shrewder. I don't know how he fits in

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Speaker 2: with with Damian Lotter, but I digress. And it's like

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Speaker 2: that is I don't know, is that a is that

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Speaker 2: a cut above a poo poo platter? That's like a

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Speaker 2: decent charcouterie board of pieces for Damian Lillard, who's a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. And then you start, wow, Dame's getting

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Speaker 2: up there and look at the salary, fifty sixty million,

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Speaker 2: like what are we doing? And that's why this all

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Speaker 2: just falls apart and I don't see how something gets done.

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Speaker 2: Now I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again. We're

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Speaker 2: in the prediction business. Rob G's gonna chime in with

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Speaker 2: his hot take about Dame going to the Lakers. Note, no,

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Speaker 2: he's not doing that. I would. I'm sure I would.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Lebron would. If the Lakers called

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Speaker 2: up and said a d for Dame, take it or

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Speaker 2: leave it. I'm doing that to heartbeat. I know Dame's older,

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Speaker 2: but I would rock with his name, Jackson Hayes and

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Speaker 2: whoever the other got big guys, Christian Wood, the guy

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Speaker 2: who doesn't defend and Lakers with Dame Lillard, Oh, that

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Speaker 2: would be special. So Rob, I'm gonna turn it over

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Speaker 2: to you. You hear Toronto, Dame Lillard. We know Miami

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Speaker 2: does not have much to offer outside of Tyler Hero.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Rob, I know you're not on IG

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Speaker 2: as much as I am. I'm just way all over.

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Speaker 2: And there's this video Tyler Hero put out. I guess

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Speaker 2: he's pushing the content and it was like, Tyler Hero,

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Speaker 2: must have switched like twelve threes from deep twenty seven footers,

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Speaker 2: put up a smoke signal to Portland. Hey, fellas, come on,

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Speaker 2: you could use me. It just doesn't seem like Miami

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Speaker 2: has the pieces. They're not dealing Bam. They're not dealing Butler,

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Speaker 2: and they want Dave my overall read Robin, Hopefully you

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Speaker 2: agree with me. This is a last ditch effort from

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Speaker 2: Portland because they've got nothing. They are trying to bluff

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Speaker 2: Miami with a two nine offsuit. Hey, we're talking to

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Speaker 2: Toronto over here. Don't make us. Don't make us. Get

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Speaker 2: og In and Obi and Gary Trenton, Pascal Siakam, I

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Speaker 2: don't know to all NBA nods for Soakam. He's good,

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Speaker 2: but what are you doing with him? Is he taking

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Speaker 2: you to greatness? You have to pay him big top dollar.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to do that? I don't know, rob

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Speaker 2: My gut is this is just this is just a

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Speaker 2: got a report to camp next week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you're too far off, because

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Speaker 1: the situation, as they say on these streets, and what

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Speaker 1: that person told me was basically that Portland has zero

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Speaker 1: zero points zero zero interest in anything that Portland asked

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Speaker 1: that Miami has to offer. And their poop poop latter

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Speaker 1: Tyler Hero, it's what maybe two or three first round picks,

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Speaker 1: it's Heimi Hawks, and it's Nikola Yovich, not Yokich. It

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Speaker 1: was Jokical be done already, and so you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna USA laguy I like Haimi Hawks. I think Yovic

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Speaker 1: just on its face, there is absolutely nothing that Miami

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Speaker 1: you'd have to open a third team, maybe even a

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Speaker 1: fourth team. That's why we heard reports quietly as recently

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Speaker 1: come to Phoenix. So you know that that was out

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Speaker 1: on NBA Twitter quietly by a couple of you know,

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Speaker 1: reputable people, especially in Phoenix, that were saying that this

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Speaker 1: that Phoenix is involved and they're trying to make them happen.

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Speaker 1: But barring something like that, And to quote friend of

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Speaker 1: the Show Brian Winhorst, a three team deal is a

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's almost impossible to get that many people

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Speaker 1: Tim Agreen on something. And that's why this Toronto d

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Speaker 1: I know you don't like it. I can tell by

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Speaker 1: your tone and you rolling your eyes there. You don't

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Speaker 1: like the deal? But do you like it for what?

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Speaker 2: We don't even know who the deal is? And that's

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Speaker 2: what's so weird about this, right. Usually we hear leak

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Speaker 2: players like I mean, I'm here in siakam Anaobi Trent

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Speaker 2: the deal like other Barnes.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget Grady dick Oh the kid out of that's

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Speaker 1: the one they covet the most of the young players

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Speaker 2: D wing he does it couldn't defend me, but I

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Speaker 2: couldn't think that was a joke. Scotty Barnes, by the way,

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Speaker 2: is a nice piece, but he needs the ball in

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Speaker 2: his hands. How does he fit with uh scoot and

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Speaker 2: The other guy, og Anobi fits pretty nicely. But like

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Speaker 2: I said, you got to sign into a big new deal.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Man, Rob, If I said you got one,

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Speaker 2: you had to bet this you cannot pocket it and

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Speaker 2: take your daughter to Disneyland, would you say that dam

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Speaker 2: ends up in Toronto for that one hundred dollars?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 1: First of all, you can't get into Disneylab for one

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars. You should know that. Okay, you'd better give

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Speaker 1: me a couple one hundred dollars. But if I were

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Speaker 1: to bet, you know, is it just Toronto by themselves?

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Speaker 1: Or is it Toronto or Miamis Toronto? Yes?

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Speaker 2: No? For one hundreds.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, okay, but but look, if I'm Toronto, excuse me.

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Speaker 1: If I'm Portland, any combination of the guys you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Siakam Barnes, Anenobi, Gary trans Junior is a much cleaner

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Speaker 1: fit for me long term than anything that Miami has

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Speaker 1: right now. And if this is really just as you

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Speaker 1: alluded to, a last ditch effort to drum up any

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Speaker 1: kind of interest from other teams, then I understand it.

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Speaker 1: Because right now, if I'm Portland, my only thought moving

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Speaker 1: And the one thing you cannot do is surround him

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what their issue was with Damian Lillard

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Speaker 1: because they just didn't have the right, you know, infrastructure

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Speaker 2: Well, hold up, boy, how are they going to move

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Speaker 2: through this? Let me see? Let me see his contract?

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Speaker 2: Don't they sign him to like a pretty big deal.

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Speaker 1: I think he's getting like twenty million a season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's not in today's NBA. That's chump change.

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Speaker 2: How about this? Let me this just hit me listening

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Speaker 2: to your explanation. Philadelphia calls up and says, we're worried

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Speaker 2: about losing Embiid. We will give you Tyrese Maxi and

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Speaker 2: you know, spare parts. Give us Dame Lollar and we

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Speaker 2: will try Dame and Embiid all in. Do you move MAXI?

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Speaker 2: Do you even want MAXI? Though? If you're Portland, which

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Speaker 2: like you said, has two ball handling guys in Scoot

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Speaker 2: and Anfredy Simons, and I's gonna sound crazy.

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Speaker 1: Answers probably know, right, Robin, Yeah, yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: Harris Max is a Hall of a player. But it's

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Speaker 1: just you have to think long term with them, Like

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Speaker 1: they're not making this move for the upcoming twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three season. They're making this move for five years from now,

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Speaker 1: seven years from now, and that's why the Toronto framework

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Speaker 1: is something that they should look looking to pursue. You

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Speaker 1: want big wings, you want defenders, and you want shooting.

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Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam, for all of his faults, is a very

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Speaker 1: solid NBA power forward on some nights. Is an All

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Speaker 1: NBA caliber forward.

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Speaker 2: No, No, he's more than solid.

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Speaker 1: Come on, well, I mean he's not a superstar, is

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He's an all star. He's an all

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Speaker 2: Minieroby he's only twenty six, I mean twenty.

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Speaker 1: And no, I think Milwaukee is gonna if I were

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Speaker 1: People forget about him, you know that. I don't think

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Speaker 2: How about this, rob This, I'm going through the rosters,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Dame does for Chicago. Damon DeRozan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think what's gonna make this tricky is that the

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Speaker 1: Damian Lillard. I think you're sliming NUNE. I think you're

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Speaker 2: I just think, right, here's a hot NBA question for you, Okay,

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Speaker 2: how fun NBA is. You could just speculate anything, and

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Speaker 1: NBA is better than any topic. I think.

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Speaker 2: So the Washington Wizards if you were the GM Slash owner,

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Speaker 2: who would you rather have now, Damian Lillard on his

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Speaker 2: contract or Jordan Poole making twenty seven thirty thirty two

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Speaker 1: Oh, Dame Lillard, really, are you serious?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think Jordan Poole helps your chances of being

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because I don't think Jordan Poole is

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Speaker 1: not a fan of the pool party, No gos.

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Speaker 2: The pool parties in DC are going to be popping

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Speaker 2: So I don't know Damian Lillard. In a week, where

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's Toronto.

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Speaker 1: Well, from what we know, we'll say it's if you

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Speaker 2: He's not going to be in Portland? What do you

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm from the person I spoke to again. Sources

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I let's just hypothetically have fun with this.

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Speaker 2: I need you to get me out of my contract.

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Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, we get it, we'll work on it.

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Speaker 2: you have to go back You're gonna be booed. It's like,

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Speaker 2: I know, they love Dame in Portland and he's probably

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Speaker 2: see jam McColl bill, what's his name, Brandon Roy, Clyde Drex.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of guys in the mix, Dame

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Speaker 2: but I understand those Portland fans booing him. I'd be like, dude,

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Speaker 2: It just feels very awkward that Damien Little could go

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. He could end up back. And

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Speaker 1: Is that if they don't make it, done by then,

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Speaker 1: They start cheering a little bit similar to what happened

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Speaker 2: But don't you think that's a little if that era

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Speaker 2: First of all, I don't even know if ig was

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Speaker 2: that Kobe thing being a huge story. I'm sure it

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Speaker 2: was massive out Rob, mister Lakers fan, it was a

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Speaker 2: huge deal, but nationally, like maybe it was a book

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Speaker 2: when he requested a trade, But overall, was it that

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Speaker 1: Rock, Yes, because at the time he was the best

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Speaker 2: You know he was the defending MVP.

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Speaker 1: No, that was the year he won MVP. People forget

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Speaker 1: he had requested a trade like three months before the

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Speaker 1: I'm not predicting that kind of scenario for Dame Lillard,

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Speaker 1: That opens up a whole nother pool of teams that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got to convince Dame, hey, just come back,

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Speaker 2: You know how, that worked for Ben Simmons, right, Remember

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Speaker 2: The screen was lit up. It was very obvious people,

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Speaker 2: doing the herd on Tuesday morning and coward says we

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Speaker 2: got in an NFL news the Jets have made a trade,

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00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 2: and I was not on Twitter at the time, so

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00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know it. I was like, and he goes

455
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: Trevor Simeon to the Jets. They signed him, he was

456
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: a free agent. I was like, oh, gotta be kidding.

457
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: And I just like buried my head in my hands,

458
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: like really. But then then Rob, I got some clarity.

459
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 2: I said, oh, well, wait a minute, wait, whoa, whoa,

460
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: whoa hold up? What if the Jets said, okay to

461
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: strike two for you, Zach, like you stuck up the

462
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: join against Dallas. There you were putrid against the Patriots.

463
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: How about that alliteration and the sideline started to pop

464
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: like we got problems and then old man Joe Namath

465
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: popping off like the uncle at Thanksgiving, And uh, okay,

466
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: that's where it strike two, Zach. We're going to get

467
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: Trevor Simeon. Don't make us. Don't make us go for

468
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: strike three and Rob. The problem is the Jets play

469
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 2: the Chiefs on Sunday Night Football. Not even Taylor Swift

470
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: and Travis Kelce monopolizing the broadcast Sunday Night if it happens,

471
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: not even that can save us from another primetime Zach

472
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: Wilson game. I'm just telling you, guys, If you remember

473
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 2: the Bills game, Zack Wilson was awful. Rogers goes down

474
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: on the fourth play, Zack Wilson can't move the team.

475
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: They get a flukey touchdown on the amazing Garrett Wilson catch.

476
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 2: Josh Allen fumbles keep throwing interceptions. Jets get super lucky

477
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: they wanted on a punt return. Okay, it's been all

478
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: downhill from there. And we knew this was We knew

479
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: it was gonna be tough. And I'm getting sick talking

480
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: about the Jets should This was supposed to be the

481
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: damn season where every week the Jets were shock in

482
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: the world with Aaron Rodgers and it was like a

483
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: good feeling. And now I don't even want to talk

484
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 2: about him. Trevor Simmon ain't doing Jack squat like I mean, Rob.

485
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: If they get boat raced, let's just say, hypothetically, thirty eight, ten,

486
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: thirty eight, thirteen, forty five, seventeen, whatever the number is.

487
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: The Jets lose by more than three touchdowns, they get embarrassed,

488
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: they're getting booed, people are walking down the stadium in

489
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: the third quarter. It's all very much in play, Rob.

490
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 2: Don't the Jets have to go to a nuclear option,

491
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: and by nuclear I do not mean Trevor Simeon or

492
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: Tim Boyle or any of these other jokers. They've got

493
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 2: to do something big because the Jets got a lot

494
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: of primetime games because Aaron Rodgers was on the team.

495
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: Now Rogers is gone and the league can't stomach Zach Wilson. Personally,

496
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: I'm a borderline. I can't stomach him anymore. I don't know,

497
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: rob You just have to be honest with me that

498
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: this is not the final straw. This is like another strike.

499
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson needs to wake up and get with it.

500
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: Trevor Simon ain't saving these guys.

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00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: We know that. Yeah, I totally agree with you, and

502
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: I hate to keep beating this drunk. We've been doing

503
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: it out for what two weeks. But when you have

504
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: a head coach like Robert Sala coming out on Sunday

505
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: after the game, and then even after having time to

506
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: sleep on it and watch some tape, declaring again on Monday,

507
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is our quarterback moving forward, It's like, bro, like,

508
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: what are you doing? We all know he's not the guy.

509
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: You know he's not the guy. Your blind loyalty to

510
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: this man makes zero sense considering you benched him three

511
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: times last season, right, And then you have Aaron Rodgers

512
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: on Tuesday does an interview with Pat McAfee because every week,

513
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 1: and you know, credit to McAfee for asking him about

514
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: the Joe Namath comments. He's like, hey, Joe Naman said X,

515
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: Y and Z your thoughts on it, and Aaron Rodgers,

516
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: in an attempt to kind of deflect the blame from

517
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, ends up throwing the rest of his teammate's

518
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: under the bus. He's like, you know, first of this,

519
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: which he's have to go through his adversity and you

520
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: know in every season, YadA, YadA, YadA, And then he says,

521
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: but there's been too many little side conversations. We need

522
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: to grow up a little bit on offense. Just lock

523
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: in and do our jobs. Everybody not point fingers at

524
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: each other. It's like, bro, they're having these blow ups

525
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: on the sidelines and they're getting very frustrated. Not because

526
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: of the play calling, not because the running game hasn't

527
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: got off the schneid, not because of you know, the

528
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: defense ben but don't break in certain situations, and at

529
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: the worst times, it's because of the quarterback, and everybody

530
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: knows it's the quarterback. And when you have the two

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00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: faces of the franchise right now, the head coach and

532
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers going out of their way to protect this kid,

533
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: it's only gonna lead to more and more frustration. They

534
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: have to do something, they have to do it now.

535
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: But I guess the one problem is, and we haven't

536
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: even really got into this, is if you do the

537
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: nuclear option and you make a trade for a Ryan

538
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: Tannehill or a Kirk Cousins or oh whoever. I'm just saying,

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00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: a current starting quarterback, you make a deal, how does

540
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers respond to that? Do you think maybe that's why,

541
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he's defending Zach Wilson, because he knows

542
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 1: that whatever move they make has implications that affect him

543
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: as well.

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00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: Well, here's the real problem. If you don't make a move, Rob,

545
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: this team legitimately could be a five or six win team.

546
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: And then they're drafting probably seven, eight, nine, ten, and

547
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: then what like Aaron Rodgers wants to come back, but

548
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: we're drafting in the top ten in a quarterback rich draft. Wait,

549
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: why aren't we taking a quarterback in the first round?

550
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: For maybe one more year of Aaron Rodgers and what

551
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: if he gets hurt again. Oh and then we'll just

552
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: we'll just punt in another year. And no, by the way,

553
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: at that point we got to pay Sauce Garden or

554
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: more money. Like you know, the whole strike while the

555
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: iron is hot thing. It's real like this is when

556
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: the Jets should be going all in. I usually am

557
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: not going to push all my chips in the middle,

558
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: but cause I like to slow play things, even like

559
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 2: even when I'm in Vegas they're poker tournaments with buddies,

560
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 2: Like I'm not like a third hand I'm going all

561
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: in like that. That's just not my style. I'm a

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00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: slow play I think my strategy, my bluffing. I feel

563
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: like I'm a good poker player. The Jets don't have

564
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: that opportunity. There's an entire roster that had expectations for

565
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: this year. Those expectations are not being met, not because

566
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: of just one guy, Sack Wilson, but because they have

567
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: no hope none And I get it. The left tackle

568
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: the right tackle situations are are not great. I don't

569
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: know what to tell you. This is what the coaches

570
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: are paid hands on me for right, this is what

571
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: the front office has paid a lot of money for. Like,

572
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: you've got to figure it out and fast. Like I

573
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: don't want to be that guy, but I am like

574
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: Joe Douglas. Sleep at the facility until this shit sorted out.

575
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 2: Figure it out. You want to keep this job. I mean,

576
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get another GM job after this. You

577
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: might be hired as like a regional scout guy who

578
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: who's awesome at scouting, but when it comes to drafting, mmmmmm,

579
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: I'm a guy Becton Zach Wilson. I don't know, Bro,

580
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: Like you got your job on the line, like this

581
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: is it? Fix it? Ask for Rogers going on McAfee.

582
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: I dono. I don't even know why. It's not like

583
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: Rogers is there right, I'm told he's out in LA.

584
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: Is that accurate?

585
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: Rob?

586
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, but I mean he's not

587
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: at the facility. Obviously he's recovering, but like he's not

588
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: in the building. He doesn't know what Garrett Wilson's feeling,

589
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: unless Garret Wilson's calling him a textave in facetiming him

590
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: like yeah, they're frustrated they've lost to the Patriots fourteen

591
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: frigging times in a row. And yeah, Zach Wilson care

592
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: read a defense to save his life. Michael Carter's not

593
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 2: getting the rock. He's ticked. Everybody's ticked like Aaron Rodgers.

594
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: Calm down, guys, This Saint Green Bay bro is the

595
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: New York Jets. This is a Sperd fridge as it

596
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: wasn't as a one jack squat in Forever. Wake up

597
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: and do something. And now I'm all angry, Robin. It's

598
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: the middle of the freaking week. Jeez, all right, anything

599
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: else you want to talk about, rob anything you want

600
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: to get off your chest, I'm all I'm a raider.

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00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: Jimmy G concussion protocols he going this week?

602
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, I hope we get the AOC experience

603
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: and not Brian freakin' Hoyer. That's the only because you

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00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: know when I saw when he rolled up his ankle

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00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: on Sunday night, and then like, hey, well if Jimmy

606
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: G's not playing, at least we'll see eight O'Connell. And

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00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: then the camera immediately plans to Brian Hoyer because like, well,

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Speaker 1: AOC eight and O'Connell's not active active tonight, so it

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00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: would be Brian Hoyer as the backup. So if Jimmy

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00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: g misses this week, if we get Brian Hoyer, I'm rioting.

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00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm switching my allegiance to the Jacksonville Jaguars or just

612
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: some team has no fan base so they can't say

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00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm a bandwagoner, like I gotta go somewhere Spigs.

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00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: So you're gonna wake up at uh out here in

615
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: LA at six twenty eight am to watch the Jags

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Speaker 2: in London. I might I might have to hould up

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00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: this Brian Hoyer thing. I didn't not even realize that.

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Speaker 2: So they play the Chargers this week at so far,

619
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Speaker 2: which is gonna be like fifty five percent Raiders fans.

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00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: But I was thinking, if it's AOC DeVante Adams went

621
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Speaker 2: off against the Steelers, he could go off against the

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Speaker 2: Chargers justin Jefferson went off Tyreek Hill. Adams is gonna

623
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Speaker 2: get his, but not a Brian.

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Speaker 1: Hoyer's the quarterback exactly.

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00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: So that now that's huge. So the line has moved.

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Speaker 2: I think I saw six. Let me just quickly call

627
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: it up here as we wrap up. Well, by the way,

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Speaker 2: a lot of bets fired. I'm seeing six for the Chargers,

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Speaker 2: five and a half at the super Book. Man, if

630
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: it's Hoyer, I might have to unload on the Chargers Patriots. Ah, yes,

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Speaker 2: it's down I told you guys to get seven bet

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Speaker 2: Chris allegedly the sharpest book. According to Chernoff and a

633
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: bunch of other guests who come on here, it's down

634
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: to six and a half. Can't get a touchdown on

635
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: the Patriots anymore. I think the Patriots are the side

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00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: I love the Steelers. It's love so many games A right,

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Speaker 2: we'll have to talk about him later in the week.

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Speaker 2: That's enough for today. Back on Straight Fire tomorrow. Talk

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Speaker 2: to you then.