Speaker 1: Glad I wore the sickest shirt all time.
Speaker 2: Cha Chip and hell adapting ring.
Speaker 1: I'm also on my dark winged dog ship dark. Wow,
Speaker 1: he's not quite he's missing it. He's missing it a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gotta be Yeah, all the wow, you kids
Speaker 2: have fun. I'm not wearing ship. I'm wearing a black
Speaker 2: tea man like I'm from New Jersey or something.
Speaker 1: Dephney, Disney merchant at all, beat.
Speaker 2: Up the beat beat beat Uh yeah, man, I got
Speaker 2: a that's Disney merch right there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Cooper helmet boom.
Speaker 1: The First Order Trooper, First Order.
Speaker 2: You're in storm Trooper Helmet of the First Order.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: No good, no good reason how the New Yorker writes
Speaker 2: about things.
Speaker 1: Right, that's like that's a headline from like coroissance version
Speaker 1: of the New Yorker. Yeah, like the Chorussanter and it's
Speaker 1: just like whoa well.
Speaker 2: They call themselves the First Order. Hello the Internet, and
Speaker 2: welcome to season three eighty seven, episode four.
Speaker 1: Of Dead Ailey's ee Geist.
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, it's a production of iHeartRadio. It's a podcast
Speaker 2: where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's Thursday, May eighth, twenty twenty five, our first full
Speaker 2: day in the new real ID regime. I hope everybody's
Speaker 2: hanging in there. We're actually going to talk about this
Speaker 2: new real Ide world because the the deadline that they
Speaker 2: kept pushing back finally came for all of our asses
Speaker 2: yesterday May seven, Real Real I d Judge real ID
Speaker 2: Judgment Day. Anyways, we'll get to that. My name is
Speaker 2: Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be
Speaker 2: joined in our second seat by a hilarious and brilliant
Speaker 2: producer and TV writer you know him from the Yo
Speaker 2: is this racist podcast?
Speaker 1: It's Andrew Too. Save for the record, this one looks
Speaker 1: better on paper than it is gonna sound. Okay, with
Speaker 1: the something bad and it takes birhood, who you gonna
Speaker 1: call it gets worse? Zy trust hers? Oh no, when
Speaker 1: the beef is weird and the memes look good, who
Speaker 1: you gonna call zi? Trust? And this is the worst
Speaker 1: of it gets worse?
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, I mean a poster no hosts, no post
Speaker 2: hosts would be better.
Speaker 1: Listen workshopping this, I I got inspired by zeit Trusters
Speaker 1: and z I lost faith in it as soon as we.
Speaker 2: Loved even though what it means. But I do like it.
Speaker 2: I like the un for it.
Speaker 1: Very stupid.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry that appropriately stupid. Andrew. How are you doing.
Speaker 2: It's great to have you here, fucking great man wearing
Speaker 2: your Chippendale T shirt? R. What are they doing on
Speaker 2: that T shirt?
Speaker 1: This is this is my favorite shirt. It is Chippendale dabbing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my only regret with this shirt I got. This is
Speaker 1: a real shirt, official Disney merch. I got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is real. This is not This is from when
Speaker 1: I I was working on a show that was shooting
Speaker 1: on the Disney lot and for some reason they gave
Speaker 1: us the employee discount at the Disney store on the lot.
Speaker 1: And this was already in like the this is so
Speaker 1: clearly again it's Chippendale dabbing. For anyone's it's not if
Speaker 1: we're in seeing video. And this was in obviously like
Speaker 1: the fucking clearance bin, and it just struck me as
Speaker 1: the sort of thing that went right off the printing
Speaker 1: press in the fucking evil T shirt factory straight into
Speaker 1: the clearance fin like it had like a shelf life
Speaker 1: of it was relevant. While it was flying in the
Speaker 1: air between the end of the factory and the clearance.
Speaker 2: It just pulled the clearance bin directly up in the
Speaker 2: T shirt.
Speaker 1: Shoot, my biggest short writer is not buying the whole
Speaker 1: stack shirt, just like as a gift you give out
Speaker 1: to people from now on. Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: That is a timeless classic. Okay, they fucked up by
Speaker 2: putting that in the clearance spin that thing rules. What
Speaker 2: year was that?
Speaker 1: The twenty room of nineteen is when I bought this shirt,
Speaker 1: presumably from.
Speaker 2: The ing was a thing in when like early teens.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe I again, I would I this
Speaker 1: went from Boss, I have a great idea to Clarence
Speaker 1: Been in the shortest possible amount of time.
Speaker 2: Whatever, Hey Boss, Yeah yeah, I got a great idea,
Speaker 2: Chip and Dale.
Speaker 1: Every time I go to Disneyland, I try to find
Speaker 1: Chip and Ordale and ask them to dab with this
Speaker 1: as evidence that this is a thing, that their character
Speaker 1: is new and they have never once done it.
Speaker 2: Super broducer Victor has informed us that dabbing became popular
Speaker 2: in the year twenty fifteen. I'm assuming you got.
Speaker 1: That information from Straight to the Trash.
Speaker 2: Anyway, this is my straight put a dash in the middle,
Speaker 2: so I have to assume it came from Andrew were
Speaker 2: thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a
Speaker 2: hilarious comedian actor writer came up in the New York
Speaker 2: improv in Theater Scenes Now in Los Angeles had some
Speaker 2: nice reviews in regional publications like The New Yorker Ever
Speaker 2: Heard of It, who called their acting virtuosic. The New
Speaker 2: York Times called them relentless. They have a new podcast,
Speaker 2: Worse than You. Please, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Mo Fry passes.
Speaker 2: Hi, Yes, Hello, what's going on? How are you on?
Speaker 3: This is so fun. I also forget when you send
Speaker 3: in bios.
Speaker 4: It's like you forget when they're gonna be read aloud
Speaker 4: and you just have to have to sit there and
Speaker 4: it's like humiliate.
Speaker 2: Be embarrassed. Yeah, anytime there's a New Yorker rave about
Speaker 2: somebody on our show, like that's that is the most
Speaker 2: meaningful thing to me.
Speaker 4: It's a calling card, for sure. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 4: shy about that. It's like I could probably get bigger awards,
Speaker 4: and there's certain ones that are here just kind of
Speaker 4: like but did you hear?
Speaker 2: But I don't know if you've heard of New Yorker.
Speaker 2: I also like to call The New Yorker a regional
Speaker 2: publication because.
Speaker 3: It's not not it's not.
Speaker 4: Also, do you guys remember when it was it Paul
Speaker 4: Ryan's like steps on or like Nephew dabbed in front
Speaker 4: of like the Wife or something like over the Bible
Speaker 4: in like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lord, I show you the ultimate respect.
Speaker 3: I also wish that you had, like no one's really
Speaker 3: cornered the market on a niche Steve Jobs outfit, because
Speaker 3: like that's like a sort of innocuous just black tea
Speaker 3: and you know, jeans, but someone to have every single
Speaker 3: day to wear Chippendale dabbing shirt, right, is so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I assumed you were going to get the whole clearance
Speaker 2: been just for it to like give out as gifts,
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's probably the better option, is just you
Speaker 2: have a closet that every single day hang it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just a series of.
Speaker 1: I fussed up my life could be so much better efficient.
Speaker 2: Oh man, what a shirt. And by the way, Andrew
Speaker 2: joined the record and showed us his awesome shirt, and
Speaker 2: then super producer Justin had a dark wing duc T shirt.
Speaker 2: All so that's that's the vibe, that's who who we are.
Speaker 3: I got to go find some Scrooge McDuck material. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what are we doing.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of what I was watching around
Speaker 2: that time after school, because I definitely, like way too
Speaker 2: late in life, was watching Dark Wing Duck, Chippendale Rescue Rangers.
Speaker 2: I think there was probably another cartoon. I don't think
Speaker 2: Gargoyles was still on, and then like Conan reruns for
Speaker 2: some reason I think came on right after that. So
Speaker 2: I associate Conan, like early Conan with that time. What
Speaker 2: a time to be alive.
Speaker 1: Sifocation, the business model that made weird kids and.
Speaker 4: Now so much Sandford and Sons at like three and
Speaker 4: it's like thanks for a really weird little white girl.
Speaker 2: Yea, all right, we are thrilled to have you here.
Speaker 2: We're going to get to know you a little bit
Speaker 2: better in a moment. First, a couple of things that
Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about later, A couple of
Speaker 2: news stories that are in the zeitgeist. Obviously, the Real
Speaker 2: I D Is in the zeitgeist, so we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about the history of this real id act where it's
Speaker 2: like we need to make sure that our ideas are
Speaker 2: even realer, un unfakeable, unfuck withable, and it's terrible. The
Speaker 2: history is terrible of just like ID in America, of
Speaker 2: this particular, the real id Act. It was passed back
Speaker 2: in two thousand and five. See if you can guess
Speaker 2: what was going on back then. And then we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about how it's like not even real. It's
Speaker 2: that you don't actually you don't actually need a real
Speaker 2: idea to travel apparently. Oh god, yeah, so we'll talk
Speaker 2: about that. Talk about my favorite news story I've read
Speaker 2: this week, which is Tesla's inventory of unsold cyber trucks
Speaker 2: skyrockets despite offering huge discounts. I just this article just
Speaker 2: made me happy, like in a way, just like the hater,
Speaker 2: my inner hater. I'm just like fuck yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Sarah Rump for Mediaite, just write it directly into my veins. Shoot,
Speaker 2: it really is.
Speaker 1: It's delightful. Everything about this it just goes. It goes
Speaker 1: from like grin to.
Speaker 4: Grid as you read, like cyber truck people also like
Speaker 4: want to sort of be combative and want you to
Speaker 4: hate them, But I'm like no, it's just like Sean
Speaker 4: and Freud like, I'm so embarrassed for you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just so conspicuous. It doesn't look like anything else.
Speaker 2: Like I just I can hear like a dumb horn
Speaker 2: playing in my head, like a dumb yeah. Like every
Speaker 2: time it's driving down the street, I'm just like, uh,
Speaker 2: you look like shit.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's it was on this podcast,
Speaker 1: but I did find the ideal. I did see the
Speaker 1: ideal use for a cyber truck in Echo Park, which
Speaker 1: was there's one in my neighborhood. Is a couple of
Speaker 1: bucks away that is wrapped in a vinyl wrap promotion
Speaker 1: for a vape juice store. That the first perfect use
Speaker 1: of a cybergruck.
Speaker 2: That is the final form of the cyber truck.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's radioactive, Like don't touch that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. No, everything does welt in its wake.
Speaker 1: But it is like, yeah, there's like that's my neighborhood.
Speaker 2: That is, I think it's in my neighborhood. I'd like
Speaker 2: see it all the time, and it's got a it's
Speaker 2: covered in a shadow from Sonic three, like the character
Speaker 2: shadow from Sonic three, like decal. It was just like again,
Speaker 2: it's like that's kind of like it should be designed
Speaker 2: like us.
Speaker 1: You should come with that stopping job.
Speaker 4: Tell these people they can put that on a Honda.
Speaker 4: It's like we are saying this much money, and like,
Speaker 4: am I most generous? I'm like, sure, car shapes and
Speaker 4: colors have been so homogenized and that's terrifying. Most generously,
Speaker 4: I can say, you want to stand out again, put
Speaker 4: that decal on a Honda, Like what are we doing?
Speaker 2: They just the timing wasn't great for them. They had
Speaker 2: it on back order. They were ordering their cyber trucks.
Speaker 2: And then the guy came out and gave went full
Speaker 2: strange love on the global media center stage, just a
Speaker 2: full Nazi salute. Oh you gotta feel for them, not
Speaker 2: at all, you have to feel something I do. It
Speaker 2: is we'll figure out what and we'll talk about AI
Speaker 2: if we get to it. There's an expert who thinks
Speaker 2: who's like talking about He used to be Uber's head
Speaker 2: of AI, so he has all the bona fides of
Speaker 2: being like a shitty AI dude, and everything he says
Speaker 2: about AI makes sense. He's like this bubble is about
Speaker 2: to pop, like this whole thing is a disaster and
Speaker 2: it all just like makes sense. He's like, it's good
Speaker 2: at mimicry, and that's it. It's not good at the
Speaker 2: things it claims to be good at, and it's like
Speaker 2: actually not getting better, It's actually getting worse as they
Speaker 2: continue to develop it down this road. So maybe we'll
Speaker 2: talk about that plenty more. But first mo, we do
Speaker 2: like to ask our guests, what is something from your
Speaker 2: search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 4: Okay, well here's my thing. I'm a Googler, That's what
Speaker 4: I'll say. We start there, like anything. If I have
Speaker 4: a thought, I'm eight hundred Google's in you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Yeah, And so already we're I'm going to
Speaker 4: tell you that I had to like go on my
Speaker 4: extra history to find it because I I delete everything
Speaker 4: I Google. It's like, I'm not I know, I'm not
Speaker 4: hiding anything. I know the data is tracked, but emotionally
Speaker 4: it feels better to just like no one knows I
Speaker 4: wrote it down. Oh I had a couple of good
Speaker 4: ones I had.
Speaker 2: By the way. Uh, you know, if you're a person
Speaker 2: who likes to go from thought to Google really quickly,
Speaker 2: Elon Musk has a new product that you're in love.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's beta, it's in my brain right now,
Speaker 3: you haven't already.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: My two ones I think that are most revealing were one,
Speaker 4: what essential oil smell like leather? Because I really like
Speaker 4: this one perfume, but it's not non toxic and it's
Speaker 4: really expensive.
Speaker 2: It's not non toxic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, much toxic toxic, it's not toxic.
Speaker 4: My favorite Indian restaurant back in Madison says on the
Speaker 4: window excellent vegetarian and non vegetarian food.
Speaker 1: It is covering the bases.
Speaker 2: Yes, So you like a perfume that smells like leather,
Speaker 2: A scent that smells like leather that is toxic, and
Speaker 2: so you're wondering if you can mimic it via essential oil.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: And then my other google I thought was revealing was
Speaker 4: symptoms of hepatitis A because I saw there was an
Speaker 4: outbreak in LA and it's it's like I think it's
Speaker 4: like fecal and oral transmission and everyone's nasty. So I
Speaker 4: was kind of like, oh God, I have to be ready,
Speaker 4: like we have to look for in symptoms in myself
Speaker 4: and others.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I can't. I can't keep track
Speaker 2: of all the heps what hepe is fecal. It's like
Speaker 2: I think the.
Speaker 1: Food one if I recall okay, other the craziest hepatitis
Speaker 1: that I dodged one time was there's a place in
Speaker 1: uh kind of like like South LA that serves blood
Speaker 1: clams savice. And I did not know at the time
Speaker 1: that blood clam, the little blood part of the blood
Speaker 1: clam is close enough to human blood that hepatitis s
Speaker 1: could live in.
Speaker 3: Oh oh my god.
Speaker 2: I mean, Andrew, I gotta say this would be one
Speaker 2: of these situations that if if you had gone it
Speaker 2: that way, I would have been like, on the one hand,
Speaker 2: I love you. On the other hand, like you ate
Speaker 2: something called blood clams cevice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they also serve him on the half shot.
Speaker 2: And was it delicious?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be. I'm a pretty like just fucking do it.
Speaker 1: It was a little much for me. It mostly tastes
Speaker 1: like a big old it's the blood bloody clams dogs.
Speaker 1: Does it taste metally, Yeah, yeah, it's like it's not iron.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's like iron a proto hemoglobin sack.
Speaker 1: It's the thing. It's like the miracle of evolution where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is when it was clam and
Speaker 1: then probably this became blood. That's fucking anyway, Sorry, sorry
Speaker 1: for that's important. Yeah it was clams.
Speaker 2: Is that how they described it to you when they
Speaker 2: when they were like.
Speaker 1: Not there, this was this was this was a Wikipedia Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is after you're like, maybe I have HEPSI.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know you got to do some
Speaker 2: some wild ship to feel live these days and feel
Speaker 2: dead and and then actually be dead, you know.
Speaker 3: So important.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Well, we hope the googling on the symptoms of
Speaker 2: Pepe any any surprising symptoms there is that the one
Speaker 2: that turned your eyes yellow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's a liver disease and seaundice.
Speaker 4: Here's the tough part though, It kind of like plays
Speaker 4: out on its own, and I feel like there's such
Speaker 4: like a prevalence of liver issues just in like our
Speaker 4: generation because of toxic load that I'm kind of like,
Speaker 4: I will it play out, like yeah.
Speaker 1: We'll just kind of and mix in with all the
Speaker 1: other ship and then it's it's part of a balance
Speaker 1: rather than a disease on its own.
Speaker 3: Say that that's probably true.
Speaker 1: I just do.
Speaker 2: That's what we're here for.
Speaker 1: Not only not a doctor on the opposite of a doctor.
Speaker 1: Whatever that is.
Speaker 2: Vibes based medicine is what we practice here.
Speaker 1: Mo.
Speaker 2: What is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Non lucrative hobbies?
Speaker 2: Love it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, hugely underrated. I am.
Speaker 4: There was an injured baby hummingbird in my backyard last
Speaker 4: week and this I texted this woman who like runs
Speaker 4: a hummingbird Sayingtuary and she happened to have a woman
Speaker 4: who volunteers for her that was near my apartment, and
Speaker 4: it was like, I go to her place and it's
Speaker 4: her hobby. She has a full time job, but she
Speaker 4: just like rehabilitates little hummingbirds in her house. And it's
Speaker 4: not like she's doing it on the gram. She's not
Speaker 4: doing it. She just really enjoys it.
Speaker 3: It was awesome.
Speaker 2: How is she coming across the all right? Sorry, my
Speaker 2: braind just went to like a dark place where it's
Speaker 2: like she's injuring those fucking hummingbirds.
Speaker 3: Oh Munchausen's by, Yeah, yeah, how do you find so
Speaker 3: many injured hummingbirds?
Speaker 1: Can I tell you?
Speaker 4: I mean, the little guy is a little barreling through
Speaker 4: the air like a snitch, like you know, like I'm just.
Speaker 2: Like I love hummingbirds. I notice hummingbirds, and I've never
Speaker 2: seen an injured one, but I mean you found one,
Speaker 2: so there you go.
Speaker 1: My mind went straight to like like the hummingbird version
Speaker 1: of like a World War One like battle hospital, so
Speaker 1: like a little like hummingbird frush under one arm and
Speaker 1: a teeny tiny hummingbird cigarette out of the end of
Speaker 1: the of course. Yeah, flashback, hummy.
Speaker 2: I love hummingbirds so much. They're so they just seem
Speaker 2: to be little like droplets of like something operating at
Speaker 2: a different like time space continuum than the rest of us.
Speaker 2: It's just like that thing is moving like a fucking UFO.
Speaker 2: There's no way remarkable. And then you look at the
Speaker 2: weight of their little barrel chest and you go, hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: why are you so proud this little one?
Speaker 3: Can I talk about pride? This little one?
Speaker 4: It was like a baby it had fallen from its nest.
Speaker 4: And the way it looked at me when I was
Speaker 4: like holding it was like, hey, let me down, this
Speaker 4: is humiliating, And it was like they're so proud.
Speaker 2: It was crazy, the ones so tall, Oh you think
Speaker 2: you're so cool? It really was. How's a baby hummingbird?
Speaker 2: Like fingertips?
Speaker 3: Like bizarrely, it was like about this big like like maybe.
Speaker 2: Around yeah intro, wow, I love this. That is amazing,
Speaker 2: And I do think we need to bury ourselves in
Speaker 2: non lucrative hobbies. I've been talking about the trends in
Speaker 2: mundane like people doing mundane ship just for the sake
Speaker 2: of doing mundane stuff on like TikTok, and like the
Speaker 2: video I keep coming back to is like these people
Speaker 2: who made chocolate chip cookies with but like without using
Speaker 2: their hands. They just used the trash grabber things.
Speaker 3: And see this is them the ill school ship that
Speaker 3: rules exactly.
Speaker 2: It's just like that. I feel like we need that
Speaker 2: right now, just like it cut off from any ideological
Speaker 2: content and just like the stuff that people used to do,
Speaker 2: and like when they stuffed themselves into fucking foam booths
Speaker 2: and like sat on flag poles for days.
Speaker 4: My friends and I it was before the garage door
Speaker 4: opener sensor was it. We'd try and roll under it
Speaker 4: like Indiana Joe and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so dangerous, but it was.
Speaker 3: We spent hours just trying to roll.
Speaker 2: Under its door that way.
Speaker 1: When I was five, you're sort of talking about what
Speaker 1: you want is like if there was a way to
Speaker 1: make a fraternity that was not wildly misogynist exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think there are like some things that
Speaker 2: we can take from them, like just pick around the misogyny,
Speaker 2: you know, and there's like a delicious little bites in
Speaker 2: there that you get cake.
Speaker 3: Those bites are sixteen goldfish. They make you.
Speaker 2: Still that don't still mean to cold fish. But I
Speaker 2: thought there's like some non mean stuff real quick.
Speaker 1: Just speaking of chocolate chip cookies, I just want to
Speaker 1: tell you guys about a product that I had recently.
Speaker 1: I visited my sister in Atlanta and she had cinnamon chips,
Speaker 1: which was I mean, that's ultimately was cocoa, butter, sugar
Speaker 1: and cinnamon. But they were the best thing I've ever
Speaker 1: had in a pancake. Holy fuck, oh pancake. Yeah good.
Speaker 4: Can I tell you I am actually a chip huge
Speaker 4: on a cinnamon chip because to me, it is the
Speaker 4: epitome of a nineties coffee house.
Speaker 3: Is a cinnamon chips gone?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I had never heard it. Is this the thing that
Speaker 1: you knew about?
Speaker 4: I was shocked it's been forgotten. It's like all a butterscotch.
Speaker 4: It's it's been But it was like, I think all
Speaker 4: the Barnes and Nobles Starbucks hats still have some chips. Okay,
Speaker 4: but it's it's not popular and it's good.
Speaker 1: It's really good. It is mostly cocoa oil or palm
Speaker 1: oil or whatever.
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, whatever, no problem.
Speaker 2: What is something more that you think is overrated?
Speaker 3: Keeping in touch?
Speaker 2: I hate your mouth. This is I am so mad
Speaker 2: at this. I hate it too.
Speaker 4: It's also so overrated because to me, like texting, keeping
Speaker 4: in touch with this certain like there isn't depth to it,
Speaker 4: and so it kind of feels like a performance, like what's.
Speaker 1: Up you doing? Good?
Speaker 3: Okay? Well, was get in touch?
Speaker 1: But I go.
Speaker 4: I love yeah, you love me. I'll see you when
Speaker 4: I see you. If you need me reach out, I'll
Speaker 4: reach out if I need you. Yeah, the whole keeping
Speaker 4: it No, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: do it like a.
Speaker 2: Good you know, leave leave it for like an annual
Speaker 2: nice conversation as opposed to a hey, just checking it
Speaker 2: in a right good like you already know what you
Speaker 2: want the answer to be as you're checking in, and
Speaker 2: you want it to be short.
Speaker 4: And it's specific. It's not like emotional check it. It's
Speaker 4: specifically the check in because you feel like you should
Speaker 4: because you care about that person, so you're giving that signal,
Speaker 4: and it's like, no, cut them out.
Speaker 3: They know you love.
Speaker 1: Them, They should know if they love you, they would know.
Speaker 3: Okay, I love for getting a little toxic.
Speaker 2: Actually it's your fault that I don't check in on you.
Speaker 1: My my core group of friends from high school, at
Speaker 1: least four of us have like birthdays a week apart,
Speaker 1: and by the time it's time to text the fourth person,
Speaker 1: it's very tiresome because I am out of shit to say.
Speaker 1: And we have already talked three times.
Speaker 3: He's been dealing with this since he was fourteen. That's
Speaker 3: so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, last last dude on the block. It's like I
Speaker 1: already said happy birthday to early twice. Right, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2: We'll come back. We'll talk about real IDs, and we're back,
Speaker 2: and I mean, I gotta ask the group, how are
Speaker 2: we doing on our real IDs? Folks? Mo Andrew, are
Speaker 2: you real id up?
Speaker 1: I let me just make one comment to you, Jack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's more like real id's nuts.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: I do appreciate you just just dabbed like the Chipmunk
Speaker 2: T shirt. I think I have mine.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had to get my license for
Speaker 1: renewed last year.
Speaker 4: So that's it, right, That's exactly how I feel. I
Speaker 4: think I have mine, I got it renewed. I don't
Speaker 4: know if I said yes, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck, I don't know mine. So the story, the
Speaker 2: story should be read in the context that I'm just
Speaker 2: like mad that real ideas are a thing, and that
Speaker 2: I haven't done it yet, but I do think they're stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've been hearing about them since this The Real ID Act,
Speaker 2: passed back in two thousand and five as a response
Speaker 2: to the nine to eleven Commissions recommendations that the federal
Speaker 2: government set standards for issuance of source of identifications such
Speaker 2: as driver's licenses. Basically just a.
Speaker 1: How's how's their track record on recommend swish one word swish.
Speaker 2: They nailed it.
Speaker 1: Kobe, Kobe from the logo.
Speaker 2: They Yeah, it is bad. It was, you know, war
Speaker 2: on terror, horrible travesty of human rights violations. But yeah,
Speaker 2: they so they put that out there and then kept
Speaker 2: pushing it back, you know, just kept getting pushed back,
Speaker 2: and now they expect us to believe that it wasn't pushed.
Speaker 3: Back I mean, oh what, oh a gaslight?
Speaker 2: We all will? I just feel like I was so
Speaker 2: used to it getting pushed back that I shouldn't have
Speaker 2: to then go out and get it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Okay, that just feels unfair to.
Speaker 2: So many times I'll just passively get it.
Speaker 4: What makes me laugh is that if you don't get
Speaker 4: it right, you just have to have an extra measure
Speaker 4: of security. I guess, which makes me laugh because it
Speaker 4: reminds me of that remember that early days snapchat meme
Speaker 4: in like twenty fifteen of that Sikh man with the
Speaker 4: turbine and it just he wrote across the screen and
Speaker 4: he's in front of security and goes about to get
Speaker 4: randomly selected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's just a pretext for them to choose
Speaker 2: to give you extra security attention, which I'm assuming they're
Speaker 2: still going to do even if you have the real idea.
Speaker 2: But it's been pushed by Trump recently, specifically as a
Speaker 2: way to target immigrants and give them an extra way
Speaker 2: to you know, stop people, deport people, all all the
Speaker 2: stuff they seem to like to do to people who
Speaker 2: weren't born here, or were but their parents weren't born here,
Speaker 2: or you know, they just protested on behalf of Palestinian people.
Speaker 3: But there's more.
Speaker 2: I mean, and this goes back like American America has
Speaker 2: a long history of identification documents being used to control
Speaker 2: and surveil black people, and it's rooted in the violence
Speaker 2: of slavery, and it's after effects and you know, we
Speaker 2: we've covered this before on the show. But it's just
Speaker 2: a way for the government to impose its will on
Speaker 2: you and cast doubt on you and you know, do
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck they want to you. Basically, and even
Speaker 2: Sarah Pitt, so this is this was just kind of
Speaker 2: a nice like blast from the past where like conservatives
Speaker 2: are bad about this too. They're like, this is just
Speaker 2: big Brother forcing us through more hoops, which like brought
Speaker 2: me back to the era where like conservative people were
Speaker 2: just like annoyed by everything. They were just like anti homework,
Speaker 2: you know, they're just like, I don't want to fucking
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 4: Well that's the moment and when these things come about.
Speaker 4: The only kind of hope I have is because you
Speaker 4: can't appeal to empathy or ethics or morals when it
Speaker 4: comes to this, like to crossing whatever aisle quote unquote,
Speaker 4: But when it comes to like bureaucracy and folks having
Speaker 4: to you know, take days off work and go into
Speaker 4: the DMV and go, and you just have to hope
Speaker 4: that money then makes them complain and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 4: maybe there's some some shift that will happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like just things are going to get
Speaker 2: more annoying and maybe that will help. Like this makes
Speaker 2: things more annoying, Like obviously the fucking economy like is
Speaker 2: gonna be shitty and make things I don't know annoying
Speaker 2: is the right word, but just harder for people. Tedious, yeah,
Speaker 2: tedious and yeah, just having to over and over just
Speaker 2: like go through jump through bureaucratic hoops to as a
Speaker 2: as a wise philosopher once said aka Sarah Palin a
Speaker 2: few sentences ago.
Speaker 1: It is it is super cute that she like clearly
Speaker 1: didn't get like multiple conservative like rhetoric upgrades. She's still
Speaker 1: doing this like big brother shit, Like what are you
Speaker 1: fucking in nineteen eighty seven? That are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like you guys are.
Speaker 2: Past that, you guys are a big brother?
Speaker 1: What are you brother for twenty years? What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Funny?
Speaker 4: I like, I actually like you did her passionately being
Speaker 4: like Hey, you guys, this is pretty scary.
Speaker 2: Huh. But Alex Jones, also like old school you know,
Speaker 2: conservative in some ways, has suggested that Trump's fascist government
Speaker 2: overreach is really just because he's being manipulated to support
Speaker 2: real id so like real idea is actually the thing
Speaker 2: that he's all right, like you've been trying to get
Speaker 2: to so he can like actually they can get like
Speaker 2: more control over you, which I don't know sounds plausible
Speaker 2: at this point. Oh god, but yeah, it just seems.
Speaker 4: It seems tough in these situations because he's right, it's bad,
Speaker 4: but it's like it's because it's barring like you know,
Speaker 4: esl folks from Taylor having the right like test ability
Speaker 4: at the DMV or the right paperwork for people who
Speaker 4: don't have, you know, birth certificates, like all these different things.
Speaker 4: But it's that onion thing where it's kind of like
Speaker 4: worst guy you know agrees with you, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like no, well yeah, And all of their fantasies of
Speaker 2: like conspiracy theories are just them imagining what it would
Speaker 2: what it actually is like for people of color in
Speaker 2: this country. Yeah, like if that happened to them, you know,
Speaker 2: so they're gonna start pulling you over and they're not
Speaker 2: gonna let you have guns, and they're gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's like that is already the case for many
Speaker 2: of the people in the country. It's not gonna happened
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, and they can't fathom Trump like doing it.
Speaker 4: What's so weird is every time they're like, and they
Speaker 4: tricked them, they tricked old boy, and you're like, what.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're they're just kind of leaning
Speaker 1: into what they have, right, like he he because Trump
Speaker 1: now seems more trickable than ever just even it's just evident.
Speaker 1: So I think now they just had to add a
Speaker 1: little a little zag to their zig maybe, right. Can
Speaker 1: I just say I I flew recently at UH and
Speaker 1: at least at Atlanta Airport. The video of Christy nome
Speaker 1: Like doing the little like you're about to go through
Speaker 1: TSA speech was the most I've ever felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm in the first act of Starship Troopers. Like it
Speaker 1: was the production value I think was just a little
Speaker 1: verhoven Ish on her video that I was like, Oh no.
Speaker 2: It's really there's so many ways that it feels verhoven Ish,
Speaker 2: like we're RoboCop and fucking Starship Troopers is like just
Speaker 2: not right. Yeah, yeah, no, not as funny at all.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, it has it's a it's a gritty Verhoven
Speaker 1: reboot by like you know, like your Zack Snyder types.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, it's like if a good
Speaker 2: director was reimagined by someone who sucks at this.
Speaker 3: Because they are in like, we're all like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: just opian. It's like this movie. It's like this movie.
Speaker 4: It's like because those people watch these movies, right, It's
Speaker 4: like it's created because of that, and so then it
Speaker 4: feels super next to reality, like.
Speaker 1: And they're like they they watched Starship Troopers and like
Speaker 1: seems good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Those bugs, those bugs gross. Also, you can get
Speaker 2: free donuts, and you know, you might assume that you
Speaker 2: have to get your real ID to get free donuts,
Speaker 2: like giving blood.
Speaker 1: But you don't.
Speaker 2: Krispy Kreme is offering free donuts as like a way
Speaker 2: of taking the edge off for the real ID process,
Speaker 2: which may maybe this will be the time I've been
Speaker 2: been told by our listeners that I need to try
Speaker 2: fresh Crispy Kreams at some point. Have you not done
Speaker 2: I still haven't done it.
Speaker 3: I mean you've had twenty years since the phenomenon started.
Speaker 2: What are you doing here being bad at life? I guess.
Speaker 2: But yeah, as we've talked about, you don't actually like
Speaker 2: you can still fly without the real idea you will
Speaker 2: go get put through extra security, which is the same
Speaker 2: security people are already subjected to quote unquote randomly by
Speaker 2: TSA agents. So yeah, it just seems like people that
Speaker 2: the government is banking on people not making the extra
Speaker 2: trip to the DMB and then using this dusty law
Speaker 2: to further do security checks and just do it, do
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck they want to.
Speaker 1: People essentially humanized as Jack as someone who again just
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, I'm already at the d m V.
Speaker 1: What what information did I give them? If I have
Speaker 1: a real ID that I wouldn't have wanted to do,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have that because it's.
Speaker 1: Like a fingerprint or some ship. I guess I just
Speaker 1: assume they have all that already, but I don't genuinely don't.
Speaker 2: Blood that was part of it. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about me and the d m V.
Speaker 1: I was just spraying blood all over anyways.
Speaker 2: So one thing you got me walking into a d
Speaker 2: m V. It started to get here about that line
Speaker 2: goes fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say I managed to lose two pairs
Speaker 1: of prescription sunglasses this last trip to the DMV or
Speaker 1: two trips to get this ID, which fucking sucks. You
Speaker 1: lost two on I left trips, I left left one
Speaker 1: there and then I got a replacement, and then when
Speaker 1: I went to pick up my ID card, which I
Speaker 1: again assume was real idea, because I I feel like
Speaker 1: I would have remembered if I took a stand and
Speaker 1: then I just left those there. Also, don't let me
Speaker 1: have sunglasses?
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone listening, We just got to get you a string.
Speaker 3: You know those little.
Speaker 1: Or just like pitch black contact lenses like the guy
Speaker 1: from corn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or transitions they make transitions contact lenses. You just
Speaker 2: have to stare directly at the sun and then your
Speaker 2: eyes turned.
Speaker 4: Can I tell you I didn't. I didn't such a
Speaker 4: literal princess that my friend calls because I didn't see it.
Speaker 4: I didn't look at the sun or see a sunset
Speaker 4: until I was twelve because I was told not to
Speaker 4: look at the sun, and nobody said there's a time
Speaker 4: constraint on it, like you're allowed to look when it's setting.
Speaker 2: That's true. Nobody does tell you that. We just all
Speaker 2: are like, this is probably.
Speaker 4: Fine, right, yeah, he said, okay, all right, and then
Speaker 4: I got to see a sunset at twelve.
Speaker 1: But it was incredible being being conscious of the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see a sci fi future where you're the
Speaker 2: only person who isn't blind. Yeah yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're also like a vampire that got cured.
Speaker 1: That's very like poignant to remember seeing a sunset for
Speaker 1: the first time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it is because dear sci fi point. The
Speaker 4: reason we found out is because my parents and my
Speaker 4: sister were all driving the car. My parents were like,
Speaker 4: look at that beautiful sunset. I start screaming because I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to be the only one to
Speaker 4: see for the family, and I like, stop.
Speaker 2: Throwing your body in between their face and the race.
Speaker 2: Yeah all right. Uh moving on to just pure shod
Speaker 2: in Freuda the So it seems like cyber trucks have
Speaker 2: just totally stopped selling, Like and again, I just have
Speaker 2: to Sarah rump r u MPF for media. This is
Speaker 2: the most I've enjoyed. It's not like there's nothing that
Speaker 2: jumped out to me like stylistically, It's just an article.
Speaker 2: God damn did I enjoy I was like, I think
Speaker 2: I need to cigarette after reading this. You know, I
Speaker 2: have my suspicions the cyber trucks were not going to
Speaker 2: sell that well. Like we'd heard that Tesla's were becoming
Speaker 2: less popular in the aftermath of Again, the mainstream media
Speaker 2: loves to be like it's his association with Trump, who
Speaker 2: is a polarizing figure and doge which people have their
Speaker 2: questions about, and it's not the like blaring almost involuntary
Speaker 2: Nazis grew up from the global media at Trump's inauguration
Speaker 2: and then immediately followed that by like speeches in Germany
Speaker 2: telling them to like stop making a big deal about
Speaker 2: the Holocaust or whatever he said there. Anyways, since that day,
Speaker 2: Tesla sales have dropped pretty precipitously, while overall electronic vehicle
Speaker 2: sales have gone up. So it's like against the grain
Speaker 2: of like how everything's moving. And so my assumption was,
Speaker 2: like he made it very uncool to own a Tesla
Speaker 2: and the like. But Tesla's like at least look like
Speaker 2: other cars for the most part, Like you have to
Speaker 2: spend a second to make sure you're looking at a
Speaker 2: Tesla before you start to judge the person who's driving it,
Speaker 2: like there's no mistaking a cyber truck, like they they
Speaker 2: just might as well come with like a full brass
Speaker 2: band playing the Imperial March, like they're just so fucking
Speaker 2: conspicuous from like three blocks away. And so you know,
Speaker 2: they're just a statement. And the statement is like, I
Speaker 2: stand that this came out after he did that, and
Speaker 2: I stand, I'm down with that. I think that was
Speaker 2: cool what he did with the uh, with saying his
Speaker 2: heart goes out to people. So it felt like, man,
Speaker 2: that's gotta be tough for the popularity. And this article.
Speaker 2: So this article, in addition to being like so first
Speaker 2: Tesla sales going down as e vehicle sales going up.
Speaker 2: Next cyber truck quote. A Forbes editor who covers the
Speaker 2: electric vehicle market dubbed the cyber truck Elon's ed cell
Speaker 2: and the audio auto industry's biggest flop in decades at
Speaker 2: the beginning of April. It's accelerated on a downward spiral
Speaker 2: since then. So, yeah, already a flop. And then what
Speaker 2: we're about to hear happened. A new article by Electric
Speaker 2: editor and chief Fred Lambert spells out how brutal the
Speaker 2: numbers have you come for the cyber truck. And by
Speaker 2: the way, it should be noted that Electric and Lambert
Speaker 2: personally have faced sharp criticism over the years for perceived
Speaker 2: bias in favor of Tesla and Musk. So this is
Speaker 2: like one of his you know, one of the people
Speaker 2: who like writes about him glowingly in a way that's
Speaker 2: like annoying and has created the problem in the first place.
Speaker 2: It was reported in April that about twenty four hundred
Speaker 2: new cyber trucks, representing about two hundred million dollars in inventory,
Speaker 2: were languishing unsold, leading the company to refuse to accept
Speaker 2: them as trade ins, and other used car dealers finding
Speaker 2: them unappealing and making only low ball offers. So like
Speaker 2: they just stopped taking them back even though the cars
Speaker 2: are like broken and like causing all sorts of recalls
Speaker 2: and ships.
Speaker 4: Someone had a sticker on their car that was like,
Speaker 4: I know, I can't afford to get a new car
Speaker 4: like to trade Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah, I mean that's I mean, that's happening
Speaker 2: across Teslas, but like this one is that's the only
Speaker 2: acceptable decal. Other than make juice is a giant decal.
Speaker 2: That's like I know, so I did not I don't
Speaker 2: pay attention to the news, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, how dumb can you be? Honestly, Like, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: Now that inventory. So they were already calling it like
Speaker 2: the biggest flop of all time when there were like
Speaker 2: just two four hundred cyber trucks sitting on the lot unmovable.
Speaker 2: That inventory has skyrocketed to a new record high of
Speaker 2: more than ten thousand cyber trucks. So it's like four
Speaker 2: times where it was when they were like this is
Speaker 2: the biggest disaster in the history of cars. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: like it's four times that, and like they just can't
Speaker 2: even like they can't even explain like what's happening. They
Speaker 2: don't there's no like counter narrative. A lot of like
Speaker 2: one of the counter narratives they've tried to say is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're just like ramping up production because there's so much demand,
Speaker 2: and like studies have shown that they've actually like slowed
Speaker 2: production to almost to a halt because there is no demand.
Speaker 2: It's just that apps like zero people are buying them,
Speaker 2: and so they're just like they couldn't you couldn't like
Speaker 2: slam on the brakes at the factory fast enough, and
Speaker 2: so they're just like piling up at the you know,
Speaker 2: like the T shirt you're talking about just into the
Speaker 2: discount bin and like they're offering huge discounts now and
Speaker 2: they can't sell shit. Yeah, it's like the I love
Speaker 2: Lucy Sane really yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean the honestly, like last year, the only tiny
Speaker 1: ray of hope I had for the election was when
Speaker 1: Elon joined. I was like, listen, literally everything he touches
Speaker 1: does turn to absolute failure. So the problem was it
Speaker 1: just the timeline. We just didn't give him enough time
Speaker 1: to cook. If he joined, like you know, mid election cycle,
Speaker 1: I do think Elon could have ruined Trump's.
Speaker 2: Chances, right. Well.
Speaker 4: I also think like the reason there's no sort of
Speaker 4: counter narrative, right is because then we'd have to talk
Speaker 4: about billionaires and it's like, Musk, it's like three hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty three billion, what is it? He is?
Speaker 3: It's like or is not? Eight hundred million is a
Speaker 3: drop in the bucket.
Speaker 4: And that's what the cyber trucks is called a crossing
Speaker 4: to sit there, right, And so it's like it's just
Speaker 4: kind of because there's no discernment or accountability within billionaires.
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, it's not a flop to me. It's
Speaker 4: like it's whatever. And that's the hard part, and I
Speaker 4: think that should be more. The focus is that a
Speaker 4: company is able to use these resources like and like
Speaker 4: and just no problem, no accountability.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, wealth has been concentrated to such a
Speaker 1: degree that one of the worst auto decisions at all
Speaker 1: times can be absorbed by a moron.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he can act to the degree that he
Speaker 2: can be like, actually I did that on purpose. It's
Speaker 2: actually for tax purposes. Can I tell you for me?
Speaker 1: Your impression is eternally troubling every time? It's actually a
Speaker 1: win soctually socually.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I also I didn't you know, I have
Speaker 2: heard like people are talking about how he and Trump
Speaker 2: have gone their separate ways. This article also gets into
Speaker 2: like how Trump's policies are just directly and vigorously fucking
Speaker 2: elon musk, Like.
Speaker 1: God speaking of essential oil that smell leathery and are
Speaker 1: extremely toxic. Imagine being in the room with those two
Speaker 1: fucking dickheads, just the smell coming off their bodies.
Speaker 2: He's just right. He bought an election, like put all
Speaker 2: his time and energy into like buying an election for
Speaker 2: this guy and got at just got what everyone who
Speaker 2: thinks they can like play Trump gets Like everyone who
Speaker 2: at like thinks they're going to get something in return
Speaker 2: from Trump, they always get completely fucked over. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. It does for a moment make you be like, wow,
Speaker 2: he's like really doesn't give a fuck. He's like pissing
Speaker 2: off the oligarchs, and like, will they ever get together
Speaker 2: and admit they were wrong? And then that scenario just
Speaker 2: stops being plausible because obviously they would never admit they
Speaker 2: were wrong or dumb about anything.
Speaker 1: It's it's like watching it's the perfect con Like Trump
Speaker 1: knows they can't do shit about him, right, And it
Speaker 1: is in that way sort of glorious. And if we
Speaker 1: didn't all have to collectively foot the emotional, financial, and
Speaker 1: possibly physical safety bill, it would be funny.
Speaker 2: Right, Let's take a let's take a quick break so
Speaker 2: that we can all just laugh quietly to ourselves about that,
Speaker 2: and then we'll be back. Let's talk about AI will
Speaker 2: be right back, and we're back. And yeah, so there's
Speaker 2: an academic slash like capitalism. Guy used to be that
Speaker 2: used to be ahead of used to be the head
Speaker 2: of AI prober So he's like not just an academic
Speaker 2: who's like standing on the sidelines being like, you guys
Speaker 2: are dumb. He what is one of the guys.
Speaker 1: Jack I just interrupted say, like any version of the
Speaker 1: job title financial analyst or commentary blah blah blah is
Speaker 1: much better look to described by capitalism. Guy. Capital They
Speaker 1: all fucking are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, capitalism, Yeah, we're that's just gonna be a segment
Speaker 2: of our show Capitalism. Guys, what are they up to?
Speaker 2: But he like he doesn't even think like AI is
Speaker 2: bad necessarily, He's just like they've chosen the wrong path.
Speaker 2: But it did feel like for the first time I
Speaker 2: was reading somebody talking about AI in a way that
Speaker 2: actually made sense along alongside like what we've been seeing.
Speaker 2: And basically he's just saying that it's kind of fucked,
Speaker 2: like it's it's going to continue, They're going to keep
Speaker 2: investing in it, and it specifically these like large language
Speaker 2: models and the gains that they're making are going to
Speaker 2: run out, and the problems like hallucinations where the AI
Speaker 2: makes up facts are going to be impossible to solve. Essentially,
Speaker 2: and we've also seen recent reporting that like because they're
Speaker 2: now drawing on training themselves with an internet that is
Speaker 2: partially AI, it's getting worse. Like it's just going to
Speaker 2: get worse from there. I had kind of missed this story.
Speaker 2: But Open so Open AI obviously like the known you know,
Speaker 2: like Global Leader in AI. Suppose the Global Leader and
Speaker 2: AI had to like just released their big like the
Speaker 2: new GPT for whatever. Yeah, and they had to like
Speaker 2: pull it back after a few days because it was
Speaker 2: returning misguided, incorrect and downright harmful ideas. It was also
Speaker 2: too sick. A phantic company acknowledged that part is amazing crazy.
Speaker 2: Isn't that so funny?
Speaker 4: But you know what's crazy to me is it's like
Speaker 4: we're like forgetting the fact that it is a pure
Speaker 4: mirror and aggregate of us and what we're feeding it
Speaker 4: and the algorithms we're feeding it and the personal data.
Speaker 4: And I'm going like, of course, of course, course, like
Speaker 4: we also have sycophants as our biggest political touchstone and
Speaker 4: news it's like we're talking about of course it's that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh it's so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this feels like again and this is
Speaker 2: the one hope for this version of AI is. I
Speaker 2: guess that the whole like media apparatus is bought in
Speaker 2: because so much of the market is propped up on
Speaker 2: like AI hype that they're just not going to report
Speaker 2: this because like that feels like a massive story that
Speaker 2: like chat GPT releases their newest version and it's a
Speaker 2: step backward, like in this thing that's supposed to be
Speaker 2: like the thing it's supposed to be. The whole pitch
Speaker 2: on AI is like this thing's advancing so fast, Yeah
Speaker 2: that like we're actually concerned with how fast it's advancing,
Speaker 2: Like it's gonna leave us in the dust and like
Speaker 2: go fuck off to space like at the end of
Speaker 2: her or you know, like Sam Altman when he was
Speaker 2: first like coming on the scene. There's a profile of
Speaker 2: him from that regional public the New Yorker, where he
Speaker 2: like talks about how he like keeps a cyanide capsule
Speaker 2: on him because he's like worried about the AI like
Speaker 2: coming to life and killing him and his family. Like
Speaker 2: he's just playing up like terminator ideas, like because he
Speaker 2: knows that it makes it a good pitch. That it's
Speaker 2: like this thing's so damn smart, it's it actually scares
Speaker 2: me sometimes. I'm so good at my job, I get
Speaker 2: scared sometimes and instead of like rocketing along that growth curve,
Speaker 2: it's getting worse and like more prone to making shit up.
Speaker 2: And they're trying to The sycophantic thing is so funny
Speaker 2: to me because they're just like trying to cover it
Speaker 2: up for it by having the product just flatter the user.
Speaker 2: That's so sad, that's so pathetic, Like, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: happy that it didn't work, I'll say.
Speaker 3: But here's my my thing.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 4: I always get like half it's like burn after reading
Speaker 4: where it's like there's more idiots than you think at
Speaker 4: the top, and half sort of like maybe this is
Speaker 4: part of a bigger thing where it's like nobody has
Speaker 4: promised accuracy with AI.
Speaker 3: Nobody has promised truth or accurate data.
Speaker 4: So when data is given to an individual and they
Speaker 4: can see so apparently that it is not accurate data,
Speaker 4: then there's the issue, right, But that to me doesn't
Speaker 4: necessarily say that. That's not the kind of point like
Speaker 4: that's not like the idea that the data can be
Speaker 4: chosen and picked by people doesn't speak to accuracy of data.
Speaker 3: It's just who's giving the data.
Speaker 4: And that's where I kind of go, oh, then that's
Speaker 4: showing a hand too fast and not effective in the
Speaker 4: way it is being ty traded to people to use
Speaker 4: more actively but not necessarily ineffective as a medium or
Speaker 4: thing itself right as.
Speaker 2: A product, right, like they're and the trick that they
Speaker 2: did is they never said it was like fully accurate,
Speaker 2: and they like claimed sometimes it hallucinates.
Speaker 1: Well they.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the implication is by giving you a product
Speaker 2: that it says can like write your legal briefs for you,
Speaker 2: and like right, like they're implying that like it can
Speaker 2: do this. Like it's like it's like Tesla being like
Speaker 2: we have a self driving mode that like legally they
Speaker 2: can't call it, like they can't say it can self drive.
Speaker 2: So they like but everything around it is suggests that
Speaker 2: well they wouldn't like put this in a car if
Speaker 2: it was so like obviously, so like it's just yeah,
Speaker 2: they they just imply it it is not good at
Speaker 2: what it does.
Speaker 1: It's like it's good at what it does, it's not
Speaker 1: good at what it's good at. The bosses want you
Speaker 1: to think it can.
Speaker 2: Do that's right. So that that's the big thing. The
Speaker 2: one thing that he points out, is it's very good
Speaker 2: at mimicry. And that is the one thing that I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that is true, Like that's all the stuff I've been
Speaker 2: impressed by, like the you know images, like the studio
Speaker 2: Ghibli thing is like that's fun. You know, that's like
Speaker 2: I see that as like a fun little like apple.
Speaker 2: Like we this used to just be a thing that
Speaker 2: like got introduced to like Snap and like everybody was like,
Speaker 2: well look at this thing that Snap can do, and
Speaker 2: people will be like that's fun. For now, the really
Speaker 2: like mind blowing shit that it can do is like
Speaker 2: it's making fraud like much more powerful, like the people
Speaker 2: are able to change their race, facial hair, voice, and
Speaker 2: more during why video calls with no effort so that
Speaker 2: they can full elderly people. In one case in this
Speaker 2: article that we'll link off to, it did a deep
Speaker 2: fake on like an employee and just made that employee
Speaker 2: think that they were in a video call with their
Speaker 2: CFO and their CFO was like, I'm gonna need you
Speaker 2: to like transfer five million dollars here, five million dollars here,
Speaker 2: five million dollars here, and they did it, you know,
Speaker 2: like so it it's good at mimicking things. It's not
Speaker 2: good at thinking or doing research for you because it's
Speaker 2: going to find incorrect research.
Speaker 4: I can't believe we're not talking more about John Anderton though,
Speaker 4: and pre crime, Like why aren't we bringing up minority report.
Speaker 3: All the time when we're dating?
Speaker 4: I mean like that to me is like the extrapolation
Speaker 4: of data to say that somebody is going to do
Speaker 4: something is just going to serve to support deporting people
Speaker 4: to venement, like you know, all these different things.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're going to claim that it can do that.
Speaker 1: It seems like they may have deployed versions of that
Speaker 1: in like Gods of It. It does sound like they're
Speaker 1: already doing that pretty big time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I will.
Speaker 1: I think this is a quote from at Citron But
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, I'm sorry about that. But I I
Speaker 1: some writer pointed out that like a this all this
Speaker 1: large language model stuff is like billion or trillion dollar
Speaker 1: solutions for at best million dollar problems, right, like really good.
Speaker 1: It's it's just like, yeah, like this stuff is like
Speaker 1: kind of helpful for some things, but it is not
Speaker 1: close to what it takes to run this shit and
Speaker 1: develop this this thing that is like only okay, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: This guy's prediction for what it because I do think
Speaker 2: like the thing that's creating all the momentum and why
Speaker 2: this is like a thing that we can't stop fucking
Speaker 2: hearing about constantly in the mainstream media is because there's
Speaker 2: like a lot of money invested in it. And the
Speaker 2: thing that this guy's saying is like, it's not gonna
Speaker 2: go away. It's not just gonna like one day people
Speaker 2: are gonna be like there's no use for this, because
Speaker 2: there are like cool things that can do with regards
Speaker 2: to images and mimicry and like creating a C plus
Speaker 2: paper that like has a couple factual errors in it,
Speaker 2: like that stuff will probably continue to be useful some
Speaker 2: some of the teachers grading those papers will probably be
Speaker 2: using AI. So just you know, it'll just be like
Speaker 2: AI on AI, like bullshit, that's what tron was about.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it's just gonna spin into Instead of
Speaker 2: spinning off into like a hyper intelligent race like a terminator,
Speaker 2: it's gonna like spin off into just mediocrity, just like
Speaker 2: a world of mediocrity that like mediocre robots talking to
Speaker 2: each other essentially.
Speaker 1: But yeah, losers who have been told they're the smartest
Speaker 1: thing ever BYPT which yes, exactly losers like.
Speaker 2: But his idea for where this ends up is just
Speaker 2: like it's not going to be it's going to get
Speaker 2: less and less expensive, and like because nobody has like
Speaker 2: that the information of like how to do the thing
Speaker 2: that all these AI companies can do, Like everybody knows
Speaker 2: it now. It's not secret information as we saw with
Speaker 2: the what was the Chinese deep Seek.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say to the extent I ever use large
Speaker 1: language model stuff. I always just go to deep sea.
Speaker 2: Just use deep It's not the worst. Who cares it's
Speaker 2: it's it's cheaper, it kills less, like it uses less resources.
Speaker 2: But like he's he keeps comparing it to spell Check
Speaker 2: in the article. He's like, look like spell Check, it
Speaker 2: was a thing that was like cool when we first
Speaker 2: got it, but nobody like made a billion dollars selling
Speaker 2: spell Check. It's just like a thing that's everywhere now
Speaker 2: and it's like everybody knows how to program it into
Speaker 2: whatever they're doing. And so like every everybody's going to
Speaker 2: have access to AI. It's going to be recognized as
Speaker 2: like the not very like impressive technology, and then we'll
Speaker 2: keep developing along the path to like where a I
Speaker 2: will eventually like be more powerful and something that what
Speaker 2: we'll have to reckon with. But like this version is
Speaker 2: not it, and it's eventually just going to be like
Speaker 2: something that's kind of everywhere. But also this path is
Speaker 2: not it the large language model business that's that's his
Speaker 2: whole thing. It's not like a type of consciousness that's
Speaker 2: just not that will improve with more processing power. It
Speaker 2: is simply going down the actual wrong road of.
Speaker 3: Wait, but not it for what and who?
Speaker 1: I mean it as in, if these dumb focks think
Speaker 1: they can build like the equivalent of a conscious mind
Speaker 1: out of silicon chips, Yeah, this is not how you
Speaker 1: even do that, Okay, Yeah, which.
Speaker 2: Is what we also understand because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: With these Like with these articles though, I get confused
Speaker 4: because I'm kind of like, it's not it for the
Speaker 4: tech industry. It's not it for art and technology, Like
Speaker 4: what is it not? If that's where I So I
Speaker 4: get what you're saying that because it is confusing sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, because the other problem with with the media
Speaker 1: about AI, I will say, I think is that like
Speaker 1: everyone has different incentives, Like all the tech people their
Speaker 1: goal is a world where they don't have to employ
Speaker 1: human beings. Yes, people like are being pitched this idea
Speaker 1: that oh, you can I don't know, fucking write a
Speaker 1: novel with just by asking this or whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or this is like a
Speaker 1: little assistant for you. And the reality is it's like
Speaker 1: just like none of those things and those things are
Speaker 1: not consonant with each other. So like that that's why
Speaker 1: I think the like the it of what AI's it
Speaker 1: is is such a confusing moving target because at best
Speaker 1: they're like deluded about what it is, but more realistically
Speaker 1: they're just lying about what the goals.
Speaker 2: Are to you, right, I think so that we use
Speaker 2: it and train help train it. I think even the thing.
Speaker 1: They didn't count on is how bad that training was
Speaker 1: because people are fucking stupid.
Speaker 3: That's so funny, but that's so such sweet, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is just going to be used to try
Speaker 2: and advertise to us. We talked earlier this week about
Speaker 2: like the model that they're developing in the background that
Speaker 2: they're like, we're moving from the attention economy to the
Speaker 2: intention economy, where now we're going to sell your intention.
Speaker 2: We're going to sell your free will to marketers. So basically,
Speaker 2: like as you interact with an AI assistant in the background,
Speaker 2: that AI assistant is going to be attached to a
Speaker 2: market where people are buying and selling, like what it
Speaker 2: suggests that you do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I listened to that, and I just
Speaker 4: my whole thing the whole time is like I felt
Speaker 4: better because it's sort of this behemoth and sounds scared.
Speaker 3: But then I'm going like, oh, but it's for ads, yeah.
Speaker 2: For ads, and also it'll suck, Like that sounds terrible.
Speaker 2: The second people know that's what's happening, I feel like.
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe connect your value from things a second.
Speaker 4: We like help people have i don't know, grounded emotional
Speaker 4: bases as individuals. Like then I'm not so worried.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true if it's just adds well.
Speaker 1: And also it's specifically designed given or not specifically designed,
Speaker 1: but like it's fallen into like the way the market
Speaker 1: and the culture around it has it is the worst
Speaker 1: people are by far the most susceptible to it. So
Speaker 1: I'm kind of not hating it. I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, you should. I actually would not mind you
Speaker 1: reaping what you saw because good fucking god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Mo, it's been a true pleasure having you
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Speaker 2: That's great, Andrew, thank you so much for joining. Where
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Speaker 1: You've been enjoying don't find me? I don't know. Andrew
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Speaker 1: guess the more obscure piece of media is there is
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Speaker 1: plays a bunch of Chinese city pop, which is way
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Speaker 1: as a Chinese person, I could acknowledge it's less good,
Speaker 1: but it's there. But her sets are great. She's very,
Speaker 1: very like you know, chill vibes to grove out to
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Speaker 2: Col DJ sets on Oh my goodness, this cool DJ set.
Speaker 1: I remember these songs.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I recently came across this track that I think
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