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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jetty and he Armstrong and Yetty so

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Speaker 2: an unbelievable and terrifying story in sixty minutes last night.

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Speaker 2: Is they've been covering this for a decade, the whole

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Speaker 2: Havana syndrome brain attack thing that we've been trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out for a very very long time. Here's one

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Speaker 2: guy describing what the attack was like when it happened

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Speaker 2: to him.

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Speaker 3: Very first incident occurred in August of twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 3: what it felt like was that someone punched me in

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Speaker 3: the throat and my left ear was clanked and I

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Speaker 3: started to get sharp shooting pains going down my left arm.

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Speaker 3: The third attack towards ender September, I was sitting in

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Speaker 3: our living room and instantaneously all of the muscles within

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Speaker 3: my spine immediately cramped, much like a Charlie horse, and

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Speaker 3: my spine felt like it was on fire, so very

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Speaker 3: hot and sharp. The fifth one was by far the worst,

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Speaker 3: and that was early December, and I woke up with

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Speaker 3: a full body convulsion, the worst pain.

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Speaker 2: I have ever felt it felt like a vice.

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Speaker 3: Gripping my brainstem was there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's one of many descriptions of how this affects you,

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Speaker 2: and it's a permanent effect. This guy was being attacked

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Speaker 2: not only at work originally, but then at his home

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Speaker 2: him or whatever in their apartment. And they're still on

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Speaker 2: medication and doing all kinds of rehab and everything like that.

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Speaker 2: To try to live anything like an enjoyable life pretty awful.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to go through these stories. It's people

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Speaker 2: describing what it's like to get attacked with this ray,

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Speaker 2: Where this ray came from, what we know about it

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Speaker 2: at this point. Here's a guy, former CIA dude who

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, the CIA, it seems like, tried to

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Speaker 2: cover this up or pretended it wasn't happening or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Here's a little him on sixty minutes last night.

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Speaker 4: There's a part of this Scott that has to do

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Speaker 4: with moral injury, and that's the idea of betrayal. You know,

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Speaker 4: I worked for twenty six years for the CIA. I

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Speaker 4: think I was involved in every COVID action program in

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Speaker 4: the Middle East. I did some very interesting things for

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Speaker 4: the US government, always with the idea that they would

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Speaker 4: have my back if I got jammed up. I just

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Speaker 4: needed to get medical care when I came back, and

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Speaker 4: they wouldn't even do that. So this moral injury, this

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Speaker 4: sense of betrayal, is so acute with me. That's something

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if one of these clips is

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Speaker 2: going to get into that or not. But at one

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Speaker 2: point one of the guests said, we have to pretend

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Speaker 2: it didn't happen, or it is an announcement of an

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Speaker 2: act of war, because it's probably the Russians. It's the

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Speaker 2: announcement that they committed an act of war against US,

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Speaker 2: and it puts US in a rough political position. By

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Speaker 2: the way, this has gone on during the Biden administration

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Speaker 2: and the Trump administration, so you can't lay it at

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Speaker 2: the foot of either party, really both. I mean, this guy,

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Speaker 2: a bunch of other guys went to the Biden White

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Speaker 2: House and told Joe Biden about it just two months

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Speaker 2: before he left office. He met a bunch of the people.

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Speaker 2: So it's been around for a long time. Why the

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Speaker 2: CIA tried to put a combination of things they said.

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Speaker 2: And again, maybe one of these clips is going to

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Speaker 2: get into it, but one it would be saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Russia committed an act of war against us and we've

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Speaker 2: ignored it. Or two, the CIA being locked into this

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Speaker 2: can't possibly be true. I mean, we've done all the research.

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Speaker 2: There's no such thing as this ability. These microwaves can't

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Speaker 2: travel that far, they can't do this sort of damage.

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Speaker 2: It can't be carried in the piece of equipment, can't

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Speaker 2: be small enough that it's portable. It's just not possible, right,

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Speaker 5: You know, that seems crazy unless you've dealt with the

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Speaker 5: government before. I've got to admit I had assumed all along,

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Speaker 5: and we've been on this story for years now. I'd

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Speaker 5: assumed that it was like getting tazed, that it's horrible

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Speaker 5: causes serious long term damage.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, And one of the interesting things is it

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Speaker 2: seems to be people describe it in quite different ways.

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Speaker 2: Always horrific, yeah, but quite different ways, let's go with

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Speaker 2: that next clip. Then this is the same CIA dude

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Speaker 6: Mark Polymeropolis rose to an executive level at the CIA,

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Speaker 6: awarded a top decoration for service in twenty seventeen. He

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Speaker 4: I woke up in the middle of the night. It

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Speaker 4: was a no I didn't hear any sound, but I

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Speaker 4: woke up with incredible vertigo. The room was spinning. I

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Speaker 4: be physically sick. It was a terrifying feeling where I

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Speaker 4: And I remember feeling, you know that this is so unusual.

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Speaker 4: I've been shot at in places like a rock in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 4: I'd been in physical danger, but this was terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's skip ahead to where they talk about.

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Speaker 2: So a little bit of sixty minutes last night was

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Speaker 2: a recap of something they had last year that we

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Speaker 2: played lots of clips of in which our government bought

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Speaker 2: one of these from some underground Russians, and so then

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Speaker 2: we get to study the dang thing and see what

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Speaker 2: it was like and everything like that. And they kind

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Speaker 2: of recapped that on sixty minutes last night. But here

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Speaker 2: is a guy explaining how the Russians had been building

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Speaker 2: this for a while. Microwave radiation just.

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Speaker 6: What doctor David Relman's investigations predicted. He wouldn't talk about

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Speaker 6: classified information in our interview, but his research found that

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Speaker 6: Russian scientists had been perfecting the concept for decades and.

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Speaker 1: What the Russians spoke about was the importance of the

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Speaker 1: energy being pulsed in order to have biological effects on humans.

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Speaker 1: When you produce pulses like this, you can actually stimulate

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Speaker 1: electrically active tissue like brain tissue and the heart for

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Speaker 1: that matter, mimicking what the brain normally does. But now

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Speaker 1: you're driving it with your pulses from the outside.

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Speaker 2: An ideal stealth weapon.

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Speaker 1: Ideal ideal because literally the person feels as if this

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Speaker 6: Our confidential sources tell us the still classified weapon has

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Speaker 6: been tested in a US military lab for more than

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Speaker 6: a year. Tests on rats and sheep show injuries consistent

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Speaker 2: Wow, So sixty minutes kind of went back and forth

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Speaker 2: fact that it exists on planet Earth and then the

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Speaker 2: cover up. Frankly, I'm not as interested in the cover

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Speaker 2: up part. It's horrific if we're not taking care of

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Speaker 2: these people, like booting them out and not taking care

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Speaker 2: of calling them liars, are acting like they're crazy.

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Speaker 5: Or whatever, especially a guy ranked as high as the

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Speaker 5: one Chat I mean is safe.

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Speaker 2: That is awful. But I'm just interested in the fact

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Speaker 2: that this weapon exists on the planet. The Russians apparently

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Speaker 2: have it. We're trying to perfect it ourselves. Here's another

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Speaker 2: portion of the show in which they describe people being

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Speaker 6: As a separate part of the investigation, security camera videos

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Speaker 6: have been collected that show Americans being hit. The videos

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Speaker 6: are classified, but they were described to us. In one,

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Speaker 6: a camera in a restaurant in Istanbul captured two FBI

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Speaker 6: A man with a backpack walks in and suddenly everyone

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Speaker 6: Our sources say. Another video comes from a stairwell in

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Speaker 6: the US Embassy in Vienna. The stairs lead to a

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Speaker 2: Wow yeah wow.

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Speaker 5: So let there be no further discussion of whether this

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's clearly real.

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Speaker 5: Did they get into at all whether we use this

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, they're still testimony. Listen, chickens or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Well wait a minute.

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Speaker 5: Trump himself was referring to the discombobulator ray and there

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Speaker 5: are all sorts of accounts from Venezuelan's saying something came

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are two different things. That is the discombobular

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Speaker 2: one of them. They're talking about our ability to jam

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Speaker 2: their weapons systems. They weren't able to fire back at

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Speaker 2: our planes or all that sort of stuff. Everything when inoperative,

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Speaker 2: all the electronics. There's that piece of equipment. That's what

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Speaker 2: Trump was referring to. The brain scrambler. I don't believe

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Speaker 2: reports of Venezuelan and saying that happened to them similar accounts. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: if we have the weapon and we've used it, I

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Speaker 2: don't imagine it's probably a good idea to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where this falls under any terms of

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Speaker 2: in the classification of like chemical warfare, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Uh Yeah, yeah, it's so horrifying it is. I mean,

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Speaker 5: But yeah, this is extra horrifying for some reason.

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Speaker 2: Well, at least that guy would have to get, you know,

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Speaker 2: It'll go through walls and cement and everything else. That

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Speaker 2: is just as horrifying as about anything could possibly be. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And so we got this you were you were talking

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Speaker 2: about we've gotten too smart for our own good, whether

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Speaker 2: it's this stuff or AI. We got this text. I

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Speaker 2: guess it's from a Tool song. I don't know the

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Speaker 2: group tool that. Well, silly monkeys give them thumbs, they

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Speaker 2: make a club to beat their brother down. That's from Tool,

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Speaker 2: I guess correct. The Russians have it, they perfected it.

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Speaker 2: We probably have it now, does China have it or

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Speaker 2: they're gonna have it, or Rain is going to have it,

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Speaker 2: or just you know, random bad guys will have it,

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Speaker 2: and you can you discome populate the brain of the

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Speaker 2: I just a horrifying, horrifying development.

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Speaker 5: Well, if we bought it from a Russian arms dealer,

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Speaker 5: maybe it was that Victor boot character or whatever before

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Speaker 5: he was in custody, although we had to trade him back.

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Speaker 2: Right, we gave him back to get the get the

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Speaker 2: basketball player, didn't we? Oh? Lord?

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Speaker 5: Anyway, monsters like that are running around the world selling

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Speaker 5: whatever they can get their hands on, so yeah, God

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Speaker 5: knows what hands this will get into.

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Speaker 2: Just I found the story so disturbing. Again, I was

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Speaker 2: more disturbed by the presence of the weapon of its

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Speaker 2: existence on Earth than the cover up. The cover up

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Speaker 2: is bad too, and very complicated. Why are we covering

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Speaker 2: it up? Are there are there good reasons for covering

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Speaker 5: Well? Yeah, I could speculate. I think you hit on

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Speaker 5: some of the main ones. Yeah, so troubling. I just

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Speaker 5: thought just occurred to me. I was about to say

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Speaker 2: I gotta have like a tote board.

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Speaker 7: Jared Kushnaida's perfect.

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Speaker 2: So Jared Kushner and uh Whitkoff going to Israel tomorrow

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Speaker 5: So then this gets leaked and he says it was

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Speaker 2: I'd say, whoa so Jesse Jackson Junior not happy with

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Speaker 5: They too armstrong and geddy.

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Speaker 8: If I told you all earlier, when I was a kid,

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Speaker 8: not being critical of you, but think about it. It's

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Speaker 2: Why was Joe Biden talking about his stutter at Jesse

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Speaker 5: Don't know, don't care. Joe Biden rambling.

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Speaker 5: The topic that we're going to be addressing here over

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Speaker 5: Anyway, so you got the president's speech of fine, we'll

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Speaker 5: give you a little sample of Barack Obama in which

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Speaker 2: Every day you wake up to two things you just

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Speaker 7: Each other and to turn on each other, and that

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Speaker 2: I don't recall hearing that. Everywhere we see greed and

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Speaker 5: Eh, he's trying to sound extra extra southern, extra black.

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Speaker 2: So we got even on the same We got to

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Speaker 2: do the headline because I think people listen to this

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Speaker 5: What are you up?

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Speaker 2: They're talking about the past and what's going on now

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Speaker 5: And Jesse Junior, the convicted criminal, certainly has a right

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Speaker 5: here's Jesse's right. I'm sorry the dearly departed. That's probably

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Speaker 2: No, I don't.

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Speaker 5: And I take your criticism, you know, in a manly fashion.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, here's Jesse Jackson Junior expressing his displeasure yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Hanson pointed out that everybody's like standing in support of

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Speaker 2: you'd ever hear. Biden claimed the Trump administration doesn't share

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Speaker 2: So they had comedy huh. She bragged that she predicted

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Speaker 5: Steve Jobs, he invented this innovative product that everybody enjoyed

437
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Speaker 5: so much, and he was a real saint and enjoyed

438
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Speaker 5: and I'm sorry, I'm trying to read while I.

439
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Speaker 2: Talk, and ignored.

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Speaker 5: The rest of his life and what he did after

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Speaker 5: it just doesn't make any sense. I mean, if the

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Speaker 5: family wants to do that, okay, But if you have

443
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Speaker 5: US presidents in the media, including Fox News for instance,

444
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 5: just going along with oh he was a brave and

445
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Speaker 5: courageous civil rights leader. Yes he was. That's exactly what

446
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 5: he was. You're fools and liars. I don't appreciate it

447
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 5: because and this was brilliantly put together by Rodreer and

448
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 5: the Free Press. Jesse was the architect of the modern

449
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 5: racist racial shakedown that we saw in Black Lives Matter

450
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Speaker 5: and the George Floyd thing. He invented that.

451
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Speaker 2: So in.

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Speaker 5: His chief organizational base was an operation he called Rainbow Push.

453
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 5: He had a couple of organizations that he put together,

454
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Speaker 5: Rainbow Coalition and Operation Push Anyway, which was based in Chicago.

455
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 5: I grew up there as acutely aware of this since

456
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 5: I was like a teenager and what they do and

457
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: how they did it, so anyway, But so in ninety seven,

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Speaker 5: Rainbow Push founded the Wall Street Project, a nonprofit initiative

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Speaker 5: designed to promote inclusion of racial minorities and leading financial

460
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Speaker 5: firms and to fight economic apartheid in the elite financial

461
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 5: sectors blah blah blah. Jackson was a particularly important channel

462
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 5: for Wall Street elites to the Clinton White House. Jackson

463
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 5: started another nonprofit group, the Citizen Education Fund CEF, closely

464
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Speaker 5: aligned with Rainbow Bush. CEF generally handled Wall Street Project

465
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 5: contributions anyway. So around this time, Jackson was separately involved

466
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Speaker 5: in a deal with Anheuser Busch, the giant brewery, which

467
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Speaker 5: he had targeted a couple of years earlier in a

468
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Speaker 5: high profile boycott campaign to shame it as racist. And

469
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 5: so he said, I'm gonna do this unless you sell

470
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Speaker 5: one of your incredibly lucrative Chicago distribution franchises to a

471
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Speaker 5: group of investors led by his two sons, Yusuf and Jonathan,

472
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Speaker 5: so his whole We're gonna call you racist, Sandheuser Busch,

473
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Speaker 5: and all the black people in America are going to

474
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Speaker 5: stop drinking your products unless you sell a franchise to

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Speaker 5: my sons. The franchise brought in tens of millions of

476
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Speaker 5: dollars in annual revenue until Usuf Jackson sold in twenty

477
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Speaker 5: thirteen for a mint, the Anheuser Busch deal classic Jesse operation.

478
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 5: His method was to accuse a business of racism, then

479
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 5: after bad press and further consultations, announced that the target

480
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 5: had agreed to Jackson's demands. With this usually came a

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00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 5: generous donation from that corporation to Rainbow Push. The real

482
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 5: money poured in when Jackson applied the strategy systematically to

483
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Speaker 5: top investment banks and financial brokerages. Jackson's Wall Street Project

484
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 5: was in base by financial industry titans and named some names.

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Speaker 5: The Wall Street Project kicked off in nineteen ninety eight

486
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Speaker 5: by asking financial firms for a fifty thousand dollars contribution

487
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Speaker 5: to support its lobbying efforts, landing half a million dollars

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Speaker 5: in donations from Wall Street immediately, and.

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Speaker 2: I could see how if I was running a company,

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Speaker 2: I would have done that. Look, I hate this, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a shakedown. But we give them fifty thousand

492
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Speaker 2: dollars and we don't have to deal.

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Speaker 5: With the whole mess. So let's get to a jack

494
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Speaker 5: and move on. It's like settling a nuisance lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Also that year, inexplicably, the federal housing lender Freddie Mack

497
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 5: contributed a million dollars to Rainbow Push, earmarking at least

498
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Speaker 5: some of it for the Wall Street Project purposes. Let's see,

499
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 5: here's some more good stuff. Uh key Jackson rolls leverages

500
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Speaker 5: Clinton administration connections and civil rights reputation on behalf of

501
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 5: corporations seeking federal approvals for mergers. For example, despite the

502
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: opposition of lesser known civil rights organizations, Jackson back to

503
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Speaker 5: nineteen ninety eight merger of two banks, City Corp And Travelers.

504
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 5: Why would Jesse Jackson be in the middle of that,

505
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 5: after which City Corps sent a generous fifty thousand dollars

506
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: to the Citizen and Education Fund, and Travelers followed up

507
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 5: with one hundred thousand dollars gift on behalf of Rainbow Push. Inexplicably,

508
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 5: Jackson came out against the promosed eighty one billion dollar

509
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 5: merger of telecommunications giants SBC and Ameritch, calling it anti democratic.

510
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 5: He had particular pull at the time with the FCC,

511
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Speaker 5: whose approval was necessary, so then Chairman Clinton appointee William

512
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 5: Kennard was the first black man that had the FCC

513
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 5: and was a close friend of Jackson's, once publicly calling

514
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Speaker 5: Jackson his ear.

515
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: A year later, the civil rights.

516
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Speaker 5: Leader was on the opposite side of the SBC Ameritech deal,

517
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 5: which sailed through FCC approval. Rainbow Push emerged five hundred

518
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 5: thousand dollars richer from donations from the two companies, having

519
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 5: changed his mind on the merger. Oh my, how interesting.

520
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 5: I got half a dozen more examples I remember. I

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Speaker 5: don't know if they cover this. I remember Toyota.

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Speaker 2: Aha.

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00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 5: They at one point went to Toyota and said, look, I'm

524
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Speaker 5: going to say, you all are racists against black people

525
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 5: unless you make monstrous contributions to my foundations. And all

526
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 5: of a sudden they weren't the racists anymore. It's wonderful,

527
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 5: wonderfully cured them.

528
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Speaker 2: One final note.

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Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty seven, Jackson joined a student protest at Stanford

530
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Speaker 5: University demanding an end to its mandatory Western Culture humanities course.

531
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Speaker 5: You need to end the humanities and studying the great

532
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 5: works of Western civilization. Hey, hey, ho ho, Western cultures

533
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 5: got to go. The protesters chanted, and they won with

534
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Speaker 5: Jesse Jackson's affectionate support. Again, I've got millions of dollars

535
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Speaker 5: worth of examples, many more. Yeah, okay, maybe early on,

536
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 5: maybe early on, he was a sincere and energetic fighter

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Speaker 5: for civil rights. I'm sure it was God bless him

538
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 5: for that. During those years he became a scammer and

539
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 5: a blackmailer.

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Speaker 2: Pretty obviously, I thought, but not obvious enough for anybody

541
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Speaker 2: in the media to talk about it over the last

542
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Speaker 2: two weeks. End of screed. Whatever.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if I heard it anywhere other

544
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 5: than here. Oh and I'm sorry I said this at

545
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 5: the outset, But the torch was passed to the Black

546
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Speaker 5: Lives Matter Scott Alicia Garza, Patrese Colors, Opal Tameti, founders

547
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 5: of Black Lives Matter.

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00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they ranked in so much money. You

549
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: figured out pretty quickly that you knocked yourself against being

550
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Speaker 2: called racist by donating a certain amount of money thanks.

551
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 5: To the George Floyd video and really no other reason,

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Speaker 5: Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation raised a staggering ninety

553
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Speaker 5: million dollars in donations from terrified corporations and foundations in

554
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Speaker 5: a single year, beggaring Jackson's lifetime honeypot.

555
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Speaker 2: Ninety million dollars.

556
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 5: Well and nay Man, as scammers go, they are all timers.

557
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: They got some nice houses out of it though, cool college,

558
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: a lot of trips see American Dream. We got a

559
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Speaker 2: lot more on the way. Stay here, armstrong, he yeti.

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Speaker 10: And over the weekend, the Israelis launched a series of

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Speaker 10: strikes against Iran's oil infrastructure on the outskirts of Tehran,

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Speaker 10: hitting four separate storage facilities. You could see black smoke

563
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Speaker 10: rising from the horizon in Tihran, people on the ground

564
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Speaker 10: even describing it as raining oil as these droplets that

565
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Speaker 10: were taking up into the air came back down from

566
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Speaker 10: the atmosphere.

567
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Speaker 2: Americans already grappling with spiking prices at the pump. Gas

568
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Speaker 2: price is now.

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Speaker 1: Up almost fifty cents since the war in Iran began

570
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Speaker 1: with no end in sight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, if you haven't seen those videos

572
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Speaker 2: out of Tehran, it looks like it's something from a movie.

573
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: You can't even hardly believe it's real, that orange sky

574
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: and flames and the oil coming down and everything like that.

575
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: Man oh man. The evening newscasts last night with their

576
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Speaker 2: pain at the pump, which a term they've been using

577
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Speaker 2: my whole life. I don't know why I have started

578
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Speaker 2: in the thirties, for all I know, pain at the

579
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: pipe and just always has been the dumbest journalism. Who

580
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: is that for?

581
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Speaker 4: You?

582
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Speaker 2: Talk to one mo soccer mom, next re event? I

583
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Speaker 2: don't know. I got forty dollars with a gas and

584
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: hardly got anything. I can't believe what it costs to

585
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: fill my CARDIV Who was that for? That needs to

586
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: hear an individual describe their single situation like you haven't

587
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: grasped that on your own.

588
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 5: I know who watches that and thinks, wow, that's a good.

589
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: Oh gas is higher, so yeah, it'll cost more to

590
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Speaker 2: fill up. You make a good point. Soccer mom or

591
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: an average d have less money other things, right, Yeah,

592
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: I know.

593
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Speaker 5: It is the laziest, crappiest sort of cliche journalism.

594
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Speaker 2: It really is.

595
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 5: Hey, people don't know what they like, but they like

596
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 5: what they know. Yeah, I play the hits, Give me

597
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 5: a weather forecast, give me pain at the pump line,

598
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 5: fifty cars long at Starbucks with people wanting to pay

599
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Speaker 5: nine dollars for a coffee drink. They shouldn't have complaining

600
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Speaker 5: about gas going them. I have never quite understood, though,

601
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 5: the fascination with gas prices over all other prices.

602
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Speaker 2: But that's just the way people apparently are built. I

603
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Speaker 2: was looking to I mentioned this last week. I was

604
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Speaker 2: looking at a couple of things on Facebook Marketplace, which

605
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: I'd never really used that much in the past. Is

606
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: gonna get a different motorcycle? My son turned sixteen over

607
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: the weekend. I was gonna get something he's big enough

608
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: for us so we could go dirt bike riding and

609
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. I had five different deals fall

610
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Speaker 2: through on Facebook Marketplace with people just flaking just ft

611
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: it out, flaking out, yeah, just not responding and all

612
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. I was like, this is really

613
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: a drag. I don't know if it is there an

614
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: initial contact or yeah. I reach out and say hey,

615
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 2: I'm really interested in this, and then they get back

616
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: and say, oh cool, and then you know what kind

617
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: of time going to meet you? Two o'clock? Then they

618
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: just they aren't there or they don't get back to

619
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Speaker 2: you or whatever. And uh, I feel like that sort

620
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Speaker 2: of thing didn't used to happen to me really hardly

621
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Speaker 2: at all, with you know, going way back to classifieds

622
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Speaker 2: in the newspaper or even Craigslist. So I don't know

623
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Speaker 2: if we just have gotten flake ere as of.

624
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Speaker 5: People I don't know, Well, yeah, I think so. I'm

625
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 5: reminded of a great piece of writing. I saw why

626
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 5: gen Z is unprepared for the workplace. And this is

627
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 5: not like a shaming boy. Young kids today are stupid type.

628
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 5: It's it's more like a doctor's diagnosis and advice for

629
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Speaker 5: companies on Okay, here's how you have to deal with this.

630
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: But it is.

631
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Speaker 5: It is striking and troubling the extent to which interpersonal

632
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Speaker 5: interaction is a problem young people.

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Speaker 2: You think that's some of it. I've had a couple

634
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: of I've got the money in my pocket, I will

635
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: drive to you right now. What is going on here?

636
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: Just like no response? Wow?

637
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 5: Is it that they sell it? And I don't have

638
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 5: the courtesy to say, hey, it's sold.

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Speaker 2: I do not know if you miss an hour. Get

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Speaker 2: the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand more to come

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Speaker 2: an hour four.

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Speaker 5: Armstrong and Getty