WEBVTT - Killer Mom Trial: Nanny Says Lindsay Clancy Was “A Wonderful Mom”; Fireworks Between Defense And Prosecution

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, the folks, it's Thursday, August sixth, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a shortened but intense day in court and the Lindsay

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<v Speaker 1>Clancy trial, and so much of the tension wasn't between

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<v Speaker 1>attorney and witness, but attorney and attorney. And with that,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rolls. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been seeing a few signs of this bubbling up a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, and we see attorneys go back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>with a little tension. Sometimes it's uncomfortable these two. Here

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<v Speaker 1>it comes here, it comes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And funny enough, it was during the testimony of one.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the least interesting folks who were up on the

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<v Speaker 3>witness stand.

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<v Speaker 2>To that witness well, and that was part of the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why the defense attorney was so annoyed, because yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they've already agreed to stipulations, they've already agreed that the

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<v Speaker 2>chain of command of evidence when it comes to DNA

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<v Speaker 2>and blood samples. They're already saying, Yep, what you're presenting

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<v Speaker 2>is true. Yeah, that evidence is correct. And so to

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<v Speaker 2>get into the minutia of DNA started just irritating the

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<v Speaker 2>heck out of Lindsay Clancy's defense attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not really sure, robes, what's happening? Right? They

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<v Speaker 1>make these stipulations. They essentially just say, there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>parts of this crime. We all agree about. She did it.

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<v Speaker 1>She strangled them, We get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Her DNA is on the exercise bands, her blood is

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<v Speaker 2>all over the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, we agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Why then are we going through the exercise of now

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<v Speaker 1>how many people? Now you know what she asked the

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<v Speaker 1>question yesterday, what is DNA? Oh my god, you can

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<v Speaker 1>feel the whole courtroom gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Yes, So this was during this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the towards the end. Yeah, this is the second to

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<v Speaker 2>last witness up on the stand. She's a former state

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<v Speaker 2>police forensic scientist. And yes, when she started to ask

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<v Speaker 2>those questions, the prosecutor, all of us, I think listening

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<v Speaker 2>and watching along with the defense attorney, started to get annoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>But what happened was they started going into the minutia

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<v Speaker 2>of DNA, explaining what a non million is, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is when it finally that was the straw that broke

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<v Speaker 2>the camel's back. The defense attorney just jumped up and said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is typical DNA gobbledygook. At this point, Judge, I object, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and you you broke out laughing the.

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<v Speaker 1>Big goaledy gook robes. What is the point of the

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<v Speaker 1>stipulation if it's if we're still going through the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same process. Anyway, this makes sense to me that we

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<v Speaker 1>want to be focused on the thing we disagree about,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not she was sane, her mental state, so

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<v Speaker 1>that should be the focus. Robes they're going through and

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<v Speaker 1>building a case that the defense isn't arguing against. This

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<v Speaker 1>is confusing to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so typical DNA gobbledygook. At this point, I object

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<v Speaker 2>What was even maybe funnier was the prosecutor's response to

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<v Speaker 2>the defense objection, I object to his objection. Okay, She

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<v Speaker 2>literally said, I object to his objection and then added

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<v Speaker 2>this is ridiculous. And that's when the judge said, the

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<v Speaker 2>two of you come up here.

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<v Speaker 3>Sidebar.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite a few sidebars, lots of sidebars. They get a

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<v Speaker 1>good flow, can't get a good rhythm, can't get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot going sometimes or open fields because they just they

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<v Speaker 1>keep stopping, and the judge is the one not even

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<v Speaker 1>the attorneys a lot are asking for the sidebar, which

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<v Speaker 1>we see a lot. The judge is saying, come to

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<v Speaker 1>the side, come come here.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all like he's trying to break up two kids fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>But by the way, the judge did overrule the defense

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<v Speaker 2>attorney and the testimony. The DNA testimony continued, but hilariously

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<v Speaker 2>and expectedly, when the defense was offered the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>cross examine the witness, he said, no questions, right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's start from the top, because we had a

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<v Speaker 2>physician associates start the day off. His name was Eton Negri,

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<v Speaker 2>and he again, and we've just seen they have had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of witnesses saying the same thing. But he

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<v Speaker 2>testified to the fact that he said Lindsay Clancy's self

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<v Speaker 2>inflicted cuts were superficial. He said none of them were

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<v Speaker 2>actively bleeding. The laceration on her right wrist only required

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<v Speaker 2>three stitches, and the one on her left only required

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<v Speaker 2>one stitch.

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<v Speaker 1>And they show pictures of this as well. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like an injury to me, but they're trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>the point that it wasn't severe and that this was

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<v Speaker 1>not a real suicide attempt. This was her trying to

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<v Speaker 1>cover up them. That's the charge.

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<v Speaker 2>R Yes, And that's pretty much what we saw from

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<v Speaker 2>every witness. They're trying to establish or they're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>prove that Lindsay Clancy wasn't actually trying to kill herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite cutting her neck and her wrists and jumping out

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<v Speaker 1>a second story window.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, the defense came back. I loved what he said

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<v Speaker 2>to this physician's assistant. You're not suggesting that for one minute,

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsay Clancy could have gotten up and walked out of

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital, No, sir. And then he said he got

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<v Speaker 2>him basically to admit that Lindsay was critically ill, needed

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<v Speaker 2>a blood transfusion, had a major spinal injury, none of

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<v Speaker 2>which he acknowledged when he was just focused on what

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<v Speaker 2>he was calling superficial wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, I thought he was a good, a solid

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<v Speaker 1>witness who was just basing it on the facts and

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<v Speaker 1>what he knew. But he asked, excuse me. He was

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<v Speaker 1>answering the questions from the prosecutor exactly as she asked.

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<v Speaker 1>He would say yes and a no, and he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>expound on anything, and so it took the defense. So

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't find him. He answered the questions based on

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<v Speaker 1>what he was asked. I thought he was a good witness.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't have an agenda.

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<v Speaker 2>The former police crime lab tech, though Nicholas Roberts a

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<v Speaker 2>little different story, and this again was the same old,

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<v Speaker 2>same old. You have the prosecutors bringing up a witness

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<v Speaker 2>who testifies that there were no illegal drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no alcohol in her blooder urine.

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<v Speaker 2>She tested positive for venzo diazepine and some other substances.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically the defense got him to admit that there

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<v Speaker 2>was a large quantity of drugs and clancy system. You

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<v Speaker 2>can go through all what was in there, but he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of was a little testy back at him.

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<v Speaker 3>The witness said, I've seen more.

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<v Speaker 1>See I like this guy too. But even when he

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<v Speaker 1>even when he gave that answer, the defense attorney followed

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<v Speaker 1>up and he said, but yeah, that is.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, yeah right, right, yeah, he said, but never

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<v Speaker 2>the defense attorney followed up, but nevertheless, that's still a

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<v Speaker 2>large number of drugs though, right, And he responded, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's quite a few.

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<v Speaker 3>So yes, that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>But again the defense kind of negating anything that the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution was trying to put up.

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<v Speaker 3>Then came the forensic.

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<v Speaker 2>Toxychologist and he talked got more specific about what was

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<v Speaker 2>in Lindsay Clancy's system, ani depressants and anti psychotics. His

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<v Speaker 2>big point was there was only one that was slightly elevated,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was still ten times below the level that

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<v Speaker 2>was considered toxic. The point the prosecution was making with

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<v Speaker 2>this witness is none of the drugs that Lindsay Clansy

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<v Speaker 2>took were a contributing factor to a suicide attempt, or

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<v Speaker 2>were in large enough quantities that it would have contributed

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<v Speaker 2>to her psychosis.

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<v Speaker 1>See there, and is that effective? Because me as a

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<v Speaker 1>juror sitting there, So which is it? Lady? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>saying she should have been on more or she should

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<v Speaker 1>have been on less? Because the idea, if it's under

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<v Speaker 1>the therapeutic amount, it means Robes, she is not medicated

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<v Speaker 1>enough to keep the voices out of her head. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that supposed to be the idea?

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<v Speaker 3>Possibly?

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<v Speaker 2>But then would that be her own fault because they

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<v Speaker 2>know that there are these lawsuits where they are blaming

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<v Speaker 2>the doctors, they're blaming the drugs that she was prescribed,

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<v Speaker 2>that she was over medicated and that contributed to her psychosis.

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<v Speaker 1>This ain't that case. This is criminal. We can deal

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<v Speaker 1>with that, lady.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, for whatever reason they want to establish that

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<v Speaker 2>she had a lower than anticipated level of drugs given

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<v Speaker 2>all the prescription drugs were seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Which tells you what as a juror, okay, prosecutor, she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a lot of drugs or a high dosage

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<v Speaker 1>in our system. They're trying to say, it fails me.

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<v Speaker 3>What so what was what was being what?

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the questions, it seemed as though they were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say, if someone were really trying to kill themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>they could overdose on all these drugs she had, and

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<v Speaker 2>she chose not to.

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<v Speaker 1>So she chose to slit her wrist and jump out a.

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<v Speaker 3>Window because she knew she could survive that.

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<v Speaker 1>According to that, ah, there it is, gotcha. She knew

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<v Speaker 1>just how much to cut her neck to bleed only

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<v Speaker 1>so much, Yes, and she was careful in how she

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<v Speaker 1>spider Man down the wall right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, And look, the defense came back with saying, look,

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<v Speaker 2>the level of drugs does not provide a complete picture

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<v Speaker 2>of her health. And so he said, what you're saying

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<v Speaker 2>is that the numbers alone do not tell the tale

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<v Speaker 2>of what happened on a particular night.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>So then again, kind of everything he said kind of

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<v Speaker 2>negated at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>So everything you said really means nothing in the overall.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we had the forensic scientists.

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<v Speaker 2>That caused the big attorney disruption where everybody got all

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<v Speaker 2>upset about the objections and all of that. But the

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<v Speaker 2>big I think, the moment that a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 2>were waiting for, and I would say the big headlines

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<v Speaker 2>that came out of yesterday's testimony was from Lindsey Clancy's Nancy,

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<v Speaker 2>Elaine Rossi. She was the star witness, I would say

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, her nanny, Elaine Rossi and Nancy. I

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<v Speaker 2>did that's so funny. Clancy's Nancy Clancy's nanny. Wow, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it is Friday Eve, everybody. I might be in a

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<v Speaker 2>Friday mindset already. But she testified that she never had

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<v Speaker 2>any concerns that Lindsay Clancy would harm her children. You

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<v Speaker 2>would think that was a good thing. But what the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutions trying to establish is she wasn't displaying signs of psychosis.

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<v Speaker 2>She was not displaying signs of a troubled mom or

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<v Speaker 2>someone who needed help. And here was another caregiver who

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<v Speaker 2>was working alongside this woman who never once saw a

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<v Speaker 2>mentally disturbed individual in the three months leading up to

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<v Speaker 2>the deaths.

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<v Speaker 1>Of her children. Uh okay, But I also heard two

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<v Speaker 1>days of testimony from her husband who saw something else.

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<v Speaker 1>I would it doesn't this this nanny didn't cancel all

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<v Speaker 1>that out, but that's fine. And also this nanny's testimony

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it also confirmed by the prosecution's own psychiatrist, who said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they can present as normal as anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Look And I would also take it a step further.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most moms who have had nanny's or babysitters

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<v Speaker 2>or caregivers in their life no that there.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I had this conversation with you yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>First, your best.

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<v Speaker 2>Behavior around another woman because you want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you look like a good mom. We care what the babysitter,

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<v Speaker 2>what the nanny thinks of us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a total woman thing, absolutely and you hit me

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<v Speaker 1>with that. I was like, oh, never crossed my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>So then I thought, how many women are going to

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately be on this jury who understand that thing that

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<v Speaker 1>a man on the jury will probably I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to admit that I'm suffering or that I'm spiraling

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<v Speaker 2>to another woman who's taking care of my kids because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want her judgment. And that is absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's something that hit me when I

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<v Speaker 2>was listening to this. Now she acknowledged that she was

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<v Speaker 2>aware that Lindsay Clancy was struggling with postpartum depression, but

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<v Speaker 2>she went on to say that she didn't see any

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<v Speaker 2>change in her demeanor. She knew that she was starting,

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<v Speaker 2>she knew she was on some sort of medication because

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<v Speaker 2>she had to stop breastfeeding, she had to stop nursing,

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<v Speaker 2>So she was aware that she was and at one point,

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<v Speaker 2>I think she couldn't drive somewhere, She couldn't drive the

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<v Speaker 2>kids to that gymnastics place because potentially she was on

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<v Speaker 2>medication that prohibited her from driving. So look, I think

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<v Speaker 2>one of the big and emotional moments that caused the

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<v Speaker 2>defense to actually raise an objection and tried to stop

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution during this testimony from showing a video of

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<v Speaker 2>baby Callen drinking from a bottle. And this was a

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<v Speaker 2>video that Rossy, the nanny, had sent to Lindsay in September.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, they didn't want This is again the prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>creating this sympathy, this emotional attachment to these children, seeing

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<v Speaker 2>them vibrant and alive, and showing loving videos that a

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<v Speaker 2>nanny has taken of this child, to then feel anger

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<v Speaker 2>towards the mom That's what most legal analysts say, is

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<v Speaker 2>happening here, because yeah, is there any real evidentiary reason

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<v Speaker 2>why we need to see a video of baby Callen

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<v Speaker 2>drinking a bottle of milk?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, that's I'm curious how that's going to work. Robes

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<v Speaker 1>to try to get people in feeling sympathy and devastation

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<v Speaker 1>for the kids, you turn that into anger against the mom.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's working. It could potentially robes,

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<v Speaker 1>but every time I see or I hear about the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>it's coupled with or my mind goes to how much

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<v Speaker 1>the mom cared for the kids. It just I don't

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard. Maybe it works, we're not sitting in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it feels and reads differently in there. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're if that's the strategy, we need you to hate

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<v Speaker 1>this lady by loving these kids more.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what some legal analysts say is going on.

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<v Speaker 2>But you mentioned your mind goes straight to Lindsay Clancy

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about the kids, Well so did juror's eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we will tell you what was

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<v Speaker 2>happening at the defense table. What was happening with Lindsay

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<v Speaker 2>Clancy as her nanny was on the stand and how

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<v Speaker 2>the defense handled cross examining her. Welcome back everyone to

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<v Speaker 2>Amy and TJ. It was a short but powerful day

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<v Speaker 2>in court on Wednesday. They're in Massachusetts, and we had

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsey Clancy's nanny, Elaine Rossy, on the stand, and once

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<v Speaker 2>they showed that video of baby Callen, they then the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution had the nanny describe and talk about these children.

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<v Speaker 2>And she started talking about baby Callen as the happiest, sweetest,

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<v Speaker 2>easiest baby. He was just a love, she said. Cora

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<v Speaker 2>was very sweet, she loved her arts and crafts. She

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<v Speaker 2>was a girly girl. She described Dawson as full of energy, rambunctious, funny, silly,

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<v Speaker 2>just painting these adorable pictures of these children. And the

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<v Speaker 2>camera in the courtroom panned over to Lindsay Clancy. She

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<v Speaker 2>I have childs from head to toe, just imagining it.

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<v Speaker 2>She was sobbing. Her body was literally physically turned as

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<v Speaker 2>far away as it could from the nanny.

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<v Speaker 3>She was covering her face.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't want to see, she didn't want to hear,

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't want to be in that room.

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<v Speaker 3>It actually made me like I can start crying right

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<v Speaker 3>now imagining.

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<v Speaker 2>What that must have been like for her, So why

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<v Speaker 2>sympathy went to her in that moment?

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<v Speaker 1>To Lindsay Clancy, I didn't see her face much yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>There were whole portions of the test in which she

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<v Speaker 1>was angled in such a way that you couldn't make

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<v Speaker 1>out even a piece of her face to the side

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<v Speaker 1>and the angle we have because she was covered. Look

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<v Speaker 1>how that works in the court room. I wonder, Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>what's working for me, at least as far as the

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<v Speaker 1>emotion is. I'm starting to take it out on the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution for not showing like there's no moment I have

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<v Speaker 1>seen at least ropes where they seem to acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 1>there were problems, that there were struggles, that this is

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<v Speaker 1>awful for the home and for the family. She's making

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<v Speaker 1>a case that it's awful for the family independent of

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsey Clancy, and for some reason, Robes, it's starting to

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<v Speaker 1>feel to me like I am the cold person in

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<v Speaker 1>the room. Is the prosecutor for me right now and

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<v Speaker 1>not the defendant, as crazy as that sounds. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is not an indictment on the prosecutor. We don't know them,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, is just sitting in and observing and how

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<v Speaker 1>you're reacting emotionally to things, the things that are pulling

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<v Speaker 1>at your heartstrings and your emotion and your anger and

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<v Speaker 1>where you're directing it. It's just I just don't very

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<v Speaker 1>few moments where I would go. Yes, I could see

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<v Speaker 1>where people would be angry right now at almost, said

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<v Speaker 1>Andrea Yates at Lindsay Clancy. Yeah, I don't if the

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<v Speaker 1>strategy works. I don't know Robes, but this right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't see it working. Just as a casual observer.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you completely. I felt nothing but pain

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<v Speaker 2>for Lindsay Clancy yesterday. Pain and then to hear the

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<v Speaker 2>nanny very much so say and confirmed that Lindsay Clancy

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<v Speaker 2>was always concerned about her children's safety. She was concerned

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<v Speaker 2>with Callin's eating and sleeping, and then she said she

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<v Speaker 2>was a wonderful mother.

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<v Speaker 3>That hit.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the defense I thought was really effective when

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<v Speaker 2>they went back and made sure because she described that

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<v Speaker 2>they showed the prosecution showed the detailed lists that Lindsay

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<v Speaker 2>Clancy would make for the nanny about how to cut

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<v Speaker 2>up the baby's food into squares. And so he asked

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<v Speaker 2>the nanny, did you ever feel Lindsay was being controlling?

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<v Speaker 2>With these lists, and she said no, not at all,

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<v Speaker 2>not even a little bit. She was just being a

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<v Speaker 2>good mom. And he got her to admit that she

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<v Speaker 2>was aware that Lindsay was having trouble sleeping, that she

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<v Speaker 2>was aware that she was sleeping down in the basement

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<v Speaker 2>to try and find some peace. And look, I think

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<v Speaker 2>all of that was important for him to establish. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think, look, I understand where they're trying to the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution is trying to say that she appeared as a

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<v Speaker 2>good mom, that that is account against Lindsay Clancy, that

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't deranged, that she wasn't in a period of psychosis,

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<v Speaker 2>that she was fully operational and effective as a mom.

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<v Speaker 2>But I actually think that it speaks to a tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>level of compassion for the woman I see sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>in the courtroom listening to how beautiful and wonderful her

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<v Speaker 2>children were.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird. I don't know how it's weird robes in

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<v Speaker 1>a case to have sympathy for someone who strangled her

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<v Speaker 1>three kids. I don't know how it's happening and what's happening,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a it's a monstrous crime, but it came

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<v Speaker 1>from a woman who was clearly sick. If the law

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<v Speaker 1>and the jury decides she's not criminally responsible or she is,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But this woman, it's just undeniable that

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<v Speaker 1>she was sick, yeah, and had a problem. They say she's

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<v Speaker 1>still sick, but this woman was was not well until

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<v Speaker 1>you're the key rope still about how many women are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be on that jury we talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution is really trying to use against her that she

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<v Speaker 1>was taking care of, making sure her kids had exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what they liked, what they needed, what they wanted. I

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<v Speaker 1>think a mother would look at that and go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do make sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Most moms are controlled, most moms are control freaks.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would because I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying, even if you want to say that, it's understandable,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>When they're using it against the mom for being a

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<v Speaker 1>good mom.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're using it against it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. I know, I don't understand. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecutor it's two women. I wonder if they're moms.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>something is missing. They've lost a perspective if they have

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<v Speaker 2>one about how most women who are moms are viewing

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsey Clancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe again, I say, well, maybe they're supposed to take

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<v Speaker 1>that part of it, the emotion out, but they keep

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<v Speaker 1>injecting emotion into the case anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So absolutely injecting it for the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems it does well. It seems bizarre that there

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<v Speaker 1>is just no acknowledgement of pain and suffering, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>she was a victim of something.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear you.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, we've got a full day of testimony scheduled

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<v Speaker 2>for today on Thursday, beginning at nine am Eastern time.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't expect there to be a shortened day. It's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to go for the full We have testimony, so

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<v Speaker 2>we will be there to listen to it all and

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<v Speaker 2>bring you the recap as soon as it's available. But

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<v Speaker 2>we always appreciate you listening to us.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk soon.