1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna move the sticks. I am Bucky Brooks and 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: I had my man Lance Z hanging on the podcast. Lance, 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: how you doing, I'm doing good. I'm doing good Man, 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: waiting to get to today three. Today it was a 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: it was a fun it was a fun night watching 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: the running backs. Frump fast. Everyone's running fast. Everybody, everybody 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: is absolutely running fast. And some of the day's podcast 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about night too. At the Combine old 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: line workouts. Running backs also worked out. We're gonna talk 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: about those guys. We've got a couple of interviews, one 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: from NC State offensive tackle Ikey Kwanu. Evan Neil also 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: joins the show, and then finally we're gonna cap it 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: off with a little conversation that I had with Bruce 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: Hall at the end of the workout. But Lance, you 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: do this. You you have all those profiles and write 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: ups and those things. Let's start with the offensive lineman. Man, 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: give me a thoughts. Yeah, I thought, you know, the 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: two guys, the two top guys who worked out yesterday 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: look the best in the drills. That was Ikey A 21 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Kwanu and Charles Cross they just looked different than everyone else. 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: They moved really really well. Um, they were really smooth, 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: really fluid. I thought they both locked in. But I'll 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: tell you what Trevor Penny watching that big human move 25 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: around was, he was really it's a it's a different 26 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: kind of thing. When you see Bucky. You were down 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: on the You're down on the field just looking at 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: how thickly he's built. He's just naturally a big but 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: when people say somebody's big boned, he's big boned. And 30 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: uh and and and the way he moved with that 31 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: size I thought was really really impressive. I think Cam 32 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: Jurgen's was a guy who looked good from Wisconsin. The 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: center um out of Wisconsin looked good. I thought Bernard Raymond, 34 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: after not having a great Senior Bowl, really was somebody 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: who looked apart and moved around like the former tight 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: end he was so uh the tackle from Central Michigan. 37 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: Bernard Raymond also had a really good day, So I think, uh, 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: the offense of linemen were more. There was some some 39 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 1: good times. And there they were fast too, because everyone's fast. 40 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: Twelve players ran sub five that's insane. We used to 41 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: see maybe two, maybe three. Now it's twelve offensive lineman 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: running a sub five forty. Um. I care less about 43 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: forty yard dashes and I do even ten yards splits 44 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: with the four fourty yard dashes. I care more about, 45 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, the short shuttle, because that's gonna show me 46 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: some of the of what I need to see in 47 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: an NFL game. But uh, I think overall, you had 48 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: a group of offensive lineman who moved around really well, 49 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: and some of the guys I spotlighted, I think really 50 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: are the ones who helped themselves the most. Yeah, it's 51 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: it's funny. I tweeted us out after Ikey ran. You're 52 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: just not supposed to see big men move like that. 53 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: You know, the fact that we're seeing these three pounders, 54 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: uh run sub five second forty times and do the 55 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: stuff that you're supposed to do with all that mass. 56 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't do it. I mean you 57 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: just shouldn't see it. And so when I think about 58 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: UM projecting and how you look at these guys at 59 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 1: the top of the board, UM, the athleticism is really 60 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: going to be the deciding fact. And it's funny because 61 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: you talked about Ikey and then Charles Cross one of 62 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: the reasons that everyone loves Ikey because you just see 63 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: him move and you see him all and destroy people. 64 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: But to me, Charles Cross was one that in the 65 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: Big Three, we never really talked about him as if 66 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: he's really a part of that conversation. But I think 67 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: we really have to look at him, man, because athletically 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: he is a freak show. And then when it comes 69 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: to being able to play with balance and body control, 70 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: the technique um that he plays with on the edges, 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: he is exactly what you typically look for in a 72 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: left tackle in an offense that excused towards the passing game. 73 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: He won't be in that conversation like that because Evan Neil. 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: It appeps to be like Evan Neil and Ikey Kwanu 75 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: kind of as a the top two. That's what debate 76 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: centers on. Across is impressive, man, and I've always been 77 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: a press with him. Since watching the tape, I think 78 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: I came away even more impressed after watching them work out. Yeah, 79 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: Cross is better on tape than Trevor Penny. And I 80 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: mean it's not even really you know, he just is. 81 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: And uh, I agree with you. I think they're the 82 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: one issue he has a little bit is when speed rushers, 83 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: he doesn't have quite as much range as I was 84 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: expecting Um to to deal with some of the edge, 85 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: the true edge burners. But when it comes to technique, 86 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: when it comes to body control, Um, when it comes 87 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: to consistency, I mean, he's that guy, and he is 88 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: a talented playing You're right, we don't talk say when 89 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 1: we talked about we don't talk enough about Desmond Ritter. 90 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: We don't talk enough about Charles Cross. Because Charles Cross 91 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: has legitimate tape and he was two eighty five. I 92 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: remember watching tape of him. I I was watching somebody 93 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: rush the passer from and I'm like, that's Charles Cross. 94 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: He looks tiny. So I had to go back and 95 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: make sure I had the right number and everything, because 96 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: I've already written up Charles Cross and I had a 97 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: good grade on him. And what I found out talking 98 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: yesterday to a scout was that he played last year 99 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: about two eight five, so he was way way lighter. 100 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: So the belief is that he's actually growing into his body, 101 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: getting bigger, getting stronger, and that his best football and 102 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: maybe his best body type is still ahead of him. Yeah, 103 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: I mean he's he's a really impressive guy. I mean 104 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: just in terms of movement skills and those things. Had 105 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: a conversation, uh last night with some coaches because we 106 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: were talking about the offensive tackle class and those things. Um, 107 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: there is a lot of love on the streets, and 108 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: rightfully so for iky Akwanu, not only as like, hey, 109 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: the project that he would present in terms of just 110 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: having all of the tools and intangibles that you want, 111 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: but their guys to believe this dude could be an 112 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: absolute megastar at the next level if he figures it out, 113 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: and so always having a conversation about Evan Neil and 114 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: iky Kwanu like a compare and contrast, and people like, yeah, 115 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: Evan Neil is a great player. Man, he's just that 116 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: he said, what that other guy. That's what you hear 117 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: from coaches, but that other guy, Hey, So it it 118 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: would be interesting to see what that looks like when 119 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: we get into those debates at one for the Jaguars, um, 120 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: those other situations where you could have conversation about Ikey 121 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: Kwanu and somebody else. I'm just saying, it's a fascinating, 122 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: fascinating conversation that that will have. Yeah, another guy that 123 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: had a good a good combine was Tyler Smith from Tulsa, 124 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: and he is a riser to there's there's love for Tyler. 125 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: Everyone thinks he's a secret for them and they're all 126 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: gonna find out the wrong. They all they keep him 127 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: quiet and he's he's not gonna be quiet. Everyone already 128 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: you're all watching the same tape. This guy who had 129 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: eleven holding Pimali's right, he's penalized like sixteen times last year. 130 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: But what he is is he's big, strong, very powerful, 131 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: very explosive moves great. He's another one that you haven't 132 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: really heard his name much, but trust me, from this 133 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: point for you're gonna start to see him creep into 134 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: mock draft here. You'll hear him talked about as a 135 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: sleeper there. So make sure that you dial in the 136 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: name Tyler Smith because he's got some of those explosive traits. 137 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: But you're right. In terms of ikey Akwanu, Evan Neil 138 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: has kind of a a little bit of a slow 139 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: burn man, you know, a kind of a slow burn demeanor. 140 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: He just does his job on the field. Ikey A 141 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: Kwanu has hate in his heart when he's out on 142 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: the field, which I love, and he's the nicest guy 143 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: off the Off the field, he's the nicest guy. And 144 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: he talked about I was reading an article that he 145 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: and his brother used to scrap like it was. You know, 146 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: he came up as the little brother, so you know, 147 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: he came up with it with a scrappy mentality, a 148 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: scrappy demeanor. And I know you had a chance to 149 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: catch up with him yesterday. I did have a chance 150 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: to get you up with him. So let's get right 151 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: to it. Uh, here's my conversation with Ikey Aquanu. Look, 152 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: this pains me to bring him on because it's an 153 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: NC State guy, but I'm gonna trying to seck it up. 154 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: Iky Kuano, thanks for coming on. Of course. Of course 155 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: I rememberally troubled by this being being itsory with the supicide, 156 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: particularly after you guys came off that last women. I'm 157 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: trying to put it past and see if we can 158 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: build a nice, solid relationship. So I gotta ask, where 159 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: does the name Ikey come from? So it's custom my 160 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: part winner coach. You know, I start up playing Part 161 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: one and I was in third grade and my jennior 162 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: position was all to play running back. And so one 163 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: day we were doing Oklahoma drills. Uh, and I wanted 164 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: to play running back so bad, and he decided to 165 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: look like Ikey was here. Reminded him a lot of 166 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: the Bangal score running back he would. So that's kind 167 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: of how it stuck. Okay, So now that's interesting that 168 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: you were running back tight because your workout the day 169 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: you gotta put it down, you showed a lot of 170 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: athleticisms and those things, and I tweeted out, big men 171 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: are supposed to run like that, so kind of talking 172 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: about like the athleticism and and and what you bring 173 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: to the table based on what you showed as a workout. Yeah, 174 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: I've always you know, taken product to you know, my 175 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: athletics and my fight. That's one of my greatest strengths 176 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: on the field. You know, if you watch my tape, 177 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, pulling in space and being able to pull 178 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: and just block guys downfield or something. That's that's probably 179 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: one of my biggest strongest points. So I definitely want 180 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: to come out here in the combine and show that 181 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: to you know, the scouts and the GMS and the 182 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: coaching everybody. Um. But yeah, I mean I run that. 183 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: I run that four nine three forty. Uh. I was training, 184 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: you know the last two months, really just trying to grind, 185 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: you know, make sure I get the technique right most 186 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: of the most of the most of all, because there's 187 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: only someone you can do with just raw speed. So 188 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: that's something I had really focused on, you know, when 189 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: I was in Sports Academy working with Less Spellman as 190 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: well and Taylor Ramsey, you know, just making sure I 191 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: got the technique right. They were fined on my start 192 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: all the way to the to the top end speed 193 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: and uh, like I showed I showed off some of that. 194 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: Let's them today. So you're excited about that. You're excited 195 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: about the four nine three. I wish it was a 196 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: little bit lower because I know Gary Bradbury run the 197 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: four nine two, so I want to be his record. Oh, 198 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: you just got to compete with your fellow Yeah, I 199 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: understand that. So now when I watch you on tape, 200 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: it's interesting to watch because obviously you dominate people the 201 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, but there's a little nastiness to you 202 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: that shows up, Like we kind of referred to it 203 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: as the bounce in the club. You throw all the 204 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: guys out wearing the white T shirts and stuff like that. 205 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: So where does that come from? That nasty diminut and 206 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: this disposition that you just flat. So I really feel like, uh, 207 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: you know, it kind of starts in pot Warner football. 208 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: You know, I played, I played no stackle, and I 209 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: started playing in the third grade. But I was so 210 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: big out to play with middle school or just so 211 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: kind of just having a girl up a little bit 212 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: on the field and just be as physical as some 213 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: of those bigger older guys. I thought I definitely helped 214 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: my monster as well. And then when I actually reached 215 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: high school, you know, I had a great oldline coach, 216 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: coach Hastings, And when I was a freshman of senior, 217 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: his name was Eric cal a senior kind of just 218 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: showed me how to just be nasty on the offensive 219 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: side of the ball. On the offensive line. Um. He 220 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: played left tackle. He actually wore seventy nine UM and 221 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: he just watching watching him move and watching him, you know, 222 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: just dominate people on the field. And that kind of 223 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: opened my eyes a little bit about how nasty you 224 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: can really be at offensive line. And then, uh, you know, 225 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: when he wanted to graduate and he actually let me 226 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: wear his number number seven nine. That's something you know, 227 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: I just realized right then I had to honor his 228 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: legacy and said, really, you know, just freshman year high school, 229 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: just you know, just dominate people as much as I 230 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: could watching Eric cal Do and just you know, trying 231 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: to imitate his game a little bit. No, it's funny 232 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: because your game definitely shines on tap. I wonder when 233 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: you watch yourself and you evaluate where you are, what 234 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: are some of the areas as a football player you 235 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: would like to approve for part my past detection first 236 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: the foremost, Uh, I had a little tendency to overset 237 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: this year. Um, overset defenders this year and give the 238 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: guys you know, a two at go on me and 239 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: UH make a shot. I stay squaring my stance, you 240 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: know when I'm passing, because sometimes I had a little 241 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: tendency to drop my left my back foot and pass 242 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: pro and kind of gave up that shorts and some 243 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: of the speedier guys, and I know in the NFL, 244 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: you know that the personnel that they have in the 245 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: NFL to Gud's gonna really take advantage of that. So 246 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: that's something that I really worked on these last couple 247 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: of months. You know, we're finding my game a little bit. 248 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: Maga Star, I stayed squaring a lot of scrimmers and 249 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: increasing my flexibility as well. Okay, so we've seen the 250 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: tree a trend international Football League where guys are putting 251 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: new dominant pass rushes on both sides of the line 252 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: of scrimmers, and so offensive tackles now left tackle and 253 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: right tack could both have to be able to excel. 254 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: Have you ever had time on the right side and 255 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't bother you for a team match to play right tack? Yeah, 256 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: I'll play a little bit of right tackle actually for 257 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: a whole season in high school and then, uh, you know, 258 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: during the last of my months, I'm working on the 259 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: right side and left side, both side. I know some 260 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: teams you know see me as that, um if you 261 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: actually personally though, I see myself as a left tackle. 262 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: But I've never you know, I've never been shot us 263 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: with side or I never have been shot, you know, 264 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: be a team player, just do whatever I need to 265 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: do to win. Okay, So I gotta ask you about 266 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: this because I heard you talk about it, um as 267 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: someone who was the lead I was the lead actor 268 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: and Peach Dragon I was Pete Okay, I know we 269 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: share some acting chops, so talk to me a little 270 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: bit about your experience as an actor and your younger days. Yes, 271 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: and that was, you know, I think like third and 272 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: fifth grade I was doing that. You know, it's a 273 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: little summer camp. One of the one of the biggest 274 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: things my mom actually focused on was getting us out 275 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: of the house during the summer. She didn't want to 276 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: sit in at home and doing nothing, and so she 277 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: started finding much of different camps for us, and one 278 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: of them just so happened to be a musical camp 279 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: at a score around thirty minutes from us. So I 280 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: went to that camp my first year. I did it 281 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: by myself, so it was just me going every day. 282 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: My my twin brother didn't want to deal with me, 283 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: and then I guess you saw how much fun I 284 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: was having because he joined fourth and fifth grade. But yeah, 285 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: it was definitely fun. You know. My older sister as well, 286 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: she did a musical theater off thing while high school, 287 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: and she actually did a little a little web series 288 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: when she was in college, you know, balancing college and 289 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: med school a little bit. So I kind of just 290 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: going to her plays, going to her musicals and kind 291 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: of seeing that you kept me in loop a little 292 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: bit and that was something I enjoyed. Okay, so here's 293 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: what here's what we got. We gotta deal from wolfag 294 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: out of our here guys. So when you start and 295 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: start in your movie, I should get like a little 296 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: extra part because I'm an accomplish actor as well. I 297 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: got you. Got that. Hopefully that time comes from that. 298 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: I love the starting something love. Let let us show 299 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: my smile on the on the big screen. So hopefully 300 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: that comes in the near future. Okay, so now it's 301 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: a promise. So thanks for coming on move to six. 302 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: But all the Movies six listeners know, so now we're 303 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: co stars. Got you or package deal? I got you? 304 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: All right, Thanks so much for coming on the movies problem. 305 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Lance and and just listening to a 306 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: quantum talk, there are a couple of things that stood 307 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: out to me. One whoever got around him very early 308 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: in this high school career, the guy that inspired him 309 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: did a really good job of kind of showing him 310 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: how to be the nasty guy on the field. Because 311 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: that nastiness, the temperament that he brings um a lot 312 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: of offensive line coach would love that because he's gonna 313 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: change the course of your offensive line. And you know, um, 314 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: with your dad been a long time offensive line coach man, 315 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: you started bringing in some of those nasty dudes, some 316 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: of those um those guys that have a little menacing 317 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: demeanor and disposition. It changes the way you guys play. 318 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: They start finishing blocks. They have a little uh testing 319 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: this about him, which makes your entire offense testing. So 320 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: he's a tone setter, and I think, you know, for 321 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: him to not only have that that kind of burns 322 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: um deep inside, but his background where he's you know, 323 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: he talks about being an actor, being an actor, like 324 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: leading up into like high school and middle school and 325 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: those things. I just think he's he's just a different 326 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: bird man. But he presents himself the way that you 327 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: want your dominant edge blockers to present themselves because he 328 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: ain't scared of the fight. Well, you know, when the 329 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: coach brought in Quentin Nelson, they were bringing in a 330 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: culture changer into the line. And that's the same kind 331 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: of thing with Ikey, I think is when you bring 332 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: those guys into your room, your room has I had 333 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: Eric Winston once told me that they wish they could 334 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: be an the draft process so that they could interview 335 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: offensive lineman to find out who would fit into the 336 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: room the right way, because it's its own subculture. And uh, 337 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: and you will you nail that on the head when 338 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: you have a guy who who everyone likes, but who 339 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: also demands that the game has played a certain way 340 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: in terms of from a finishing standpoint and the toughness standpoint, 341 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: it can have an impact not just on the field, 342 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: but off the field as well, in the in the 343 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: in the meeting rooms and preparation. And then, uh, you know, 344 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: I had all of his I had all of his 345 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: data from his strength coach. And when I saw all 346 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: of his strength coach, I mean all of his strength numbers. 347 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: It's it's clear he puts in the work in the 348 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: weight room. And it starts there. It's that weight room mentality. 349 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: It starts carrying over on the on the field. Another 350 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: guy's put working. Bucky is another guy you talked to 351 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: and Evan Neil and he lost fifteen pounds I know, 352 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: from from two thousand twenty to two thousand twenty one, 353 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: so he could move from right tackle to left tackle. 354 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: And I thought on tape you could see it like 355 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: he looked quicker, he looked more athletic, and then when 356 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: I saw him on the field, I didn't think he 357 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: looked as much as he as much as he weighed. Yesterday. 358 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: He didn't work he didn't work out, but you know, 359 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: he was out there on the field, and that's a 360 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: testament to his body type. He's really leaned down. He 361 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: carries his weight really well. You already know he has 362 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: that Alabama technique working where they're no matter who the 363 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: offensive line coaches, technique is first and foremost what's taught. 364 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: And uh he has left tackle, right tackle guard background, 365 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: and he's technically sound. And he is a big human 366 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: as well. He is a big human. And before I 367 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: kind of talk about all the things he brings to 368 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: the table, let's listen to my conversation with Evan new 369 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: joined the Movie six podcast Alabama Standout Tackle. Evan, how 370 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: are you doing good man, It's happy to be here. 371 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for having me. Look, man, the combine 372 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: is the showcase event for everybody, but a lot of 373 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: what you did was behind the scenes. How's the interviews 374 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: and the meetings with scouts, coaches and all that going 375 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: for you? Well, they've been good. Um, it's been what 376 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: you would expect talking about my personal background. Family. You know, 377 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: we've also talked some exs and os. Uh. I'm kind 378 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: of proud that I didn't get a crazy off the 379 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: ball question. But uh, but overall it was a good 380 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: experience for sure. You know. So you come from a 381 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: family of guys who have played at the highest level. 382 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: What have you learned from like your uncles and cousins 383 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: and those who played. Uh, kind of just perseverance, man, 384 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: you know, and just what it takes to get to 385 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: the next level. Uh. I always looked at them, and 386 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: I always wanted to be better than them and take 387 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: the game farther than they ever did. So I kind 388 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: of always wore that chip on my shoulder. So Alabama 389 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: has been one of the top programs in football for 390 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: the last decade or so. Nick Saban has kind of 391 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: like a proven for him. I know. You guys call 392 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: it the process. Yeah, whatever you learn from saving and 393 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: the process that will leave you to have success at 394 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: the next level. Um. Really the ground man and uh 395 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: doing your job no matter how you feel. Uh, really 396 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 1: been up on the coach statements camp. You know. Help me, 397 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, become a better man. Help me become more discipline, 398 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, for sure, you know, getting up every day 399 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: going to world no matter how you feel. You know, 400 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: sometimes they work up on the wrong side of the bed, 401 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: but that can't affect how you going and go to 402 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: work and how you you know, approach your craft. So 403 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: definitely definitely helped me a lot. You guys have a 404 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: tradition of producing top offensive lineman. You will be the 405 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: next one to go. In your background, you played on 406 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: the right side and the left side. Uh, do you 407 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: have a preference? Doesn't really matter wh're side that you 408 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: line up on. Um, I can't really have a preference, 409 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: but I enjoy up the left tackle with the most. 410 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: Going into college, I really didn't expect moving around as 411 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: much as I did going from the left guard the 412 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: right tip of the left tackle, but uh and an 413 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: on run ended up helping helping me out. So I'm 414 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: just excited to be able to go to the next 415 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: level and be able to really settle in that one 416 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: spot and to focus there. Okay, So then when I 417 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: watch you on tape, I view you as a guy 418 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: that's a technician. I believe you're pretty solid with your 419 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: footwork and your technique and those things. But when you 420 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: evaluate yourself, how would you describe you? Again, I'm a 421 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: real versatile guy. I'm tough, I'm durable. Uh, some things 422 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: I need to get better at it. My overall body control, 423 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes that up on the ground a lot, 424 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: for sure. So making sure that my base doesn't get 425 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: narrow in the run game and keeping a wild basis 426 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: just hooking up with a guy and moving a guy 427 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: the way. Sure. So there's been some speculation about you 428 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: possibly being the number one overall pick. If that came 429 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: to Fruition and you were the number one pick, what 430 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: would that mean to you and what they mean to 431 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: your family and I mean everything? That would be a 432 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: dream come true man. Uh to all the young kids 433 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: where I'm from. You know, I've come from a small 434 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: town man, so that would be really special for no, 435 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: for people like that to see me do something like 436 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: that for sure. Um, you never know what happens on 437 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: draft day, but that would definitely be a blessing. Well, look, 438 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna be there watching it every step of the way. 439 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining the Movies SI podcast. That's 440 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: luck to you going forward. Thank you man, Thank you 441 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: for having me Lance. Uh, you know you talked about 442 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: his body type before we went into the interview and 443 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: how he doesn't look as big as he measures the 444 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: ways he is a massive man. I'm mountain of a 445 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: man out there. And his versatility being able to play 446 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: on the right side and the left side, to me 447 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: is intriguing. I think his his technical skills are solid 448 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: because of his footwork and his anchor ability and those things. 449 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: He's so quiet though he kind of scares you. He 450 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: scares you in terms of like I've always been taught, 451 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, in those fights, those fights, be careful those 452 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: dudes that don't say a whole lot, you know. Um, 453 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: because he has some nastiness to him. It doesn't necessarily 454 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: show up to the level of ikey Akwana where you 455 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: see it on tape all the time, but he got 456 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: some nasty and the dog metality and the stuff that 457 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 1: he talked about learning during his time in Alabama with 458 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: Nick Saban and and all of that. He's a guy 459 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: who's well prepared to end of the national football They 460 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: can dominate right away. Yeah, we had a you know, 461 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: just kind of off the just just kind of off 462 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: script here for a second. For Darius Matthews, a defensive tackle, 463 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: from Alabama number forty eight. He was, he was He 464 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: was poking around on our set yesterday like what's this, 465 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: what's it? He was just very curious and interested. And 466 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: we started talking to him and you were asking them 467 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: some questions about the carryover and what's certain. He said, Yeah, 468 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: coming from Louisiana, he goes, you can't be at Alabama 469 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: for for a certain amount of years and not pick 470 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: up on what's put down. It's just impossible because what 471 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: is expected of you, the discipline, the accountability, it's impossible 472 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: not to have that ingrained in you. And I think 473 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: that goes with the offensive line as well. Um, those 474 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: guys when I watched old line D line, they're always 475 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: the standard for me and tape in terms of what 476 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: these guys are going to have NFL technique. And I 477 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: don't care who I'm looking at. Everybody I look at 478 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: from Alabama is going to be ahead of other people 479 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: from a technique standpoint. And that's true of of Evany 480 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, they have it their secrets, their ability 481 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: to create a culture of discipline and accountability with a 482 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: crew that is as talented as you will find. And 483 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: when you put those prototypical traits the length, the size, um, 484 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: the explosiveness, and you you're able to kind of dial 485 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: that in in terms of like the discipline and attention 486 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: to detail. That's when you can have stars. And so 487 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: Evan Neil could have an opportunity to have a star. 488 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: But look, man, we're talking about the big guys for 489 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: too long. This. Let's get to the sexy guys. Let's 490 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: get to the guys that run around and make things 491 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: happen when they get the ball in the hands. Uh. 492 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: What was your view overall on the running back workout? Well, 493 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, first and foremost I thought the 494 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: narrative was that it might be a rap that Breeese 495 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: Hall is locking himself in his RB one because you know, 496 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: he caught it well. But he was fast. I mean, 497 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: look at what Breeze. Here's what Breecee Hall did yesterday 498 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: running back out of Iowa State. He ran a four. 499 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: Now this is at five eleven, two seventeen pounds. He 500 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: he jumped forty inches on the vertical leap and forties 501 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: that magic number. And then he had a ten foot 502 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: six broad jump as well. So you talked about Bucky, 503 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: there's you know, there's some guys run fast in the 504 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: straight line, but you don't see it with the vertical 505 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: on the broad You want to see the full scale explosiveness. 506 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: He was a fourth three nine forty who jumped forty 507 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: and jumped ten six and abroad. That is complete and 508 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: total explosiveness. And then he caught the ball well out 509 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: of the backfield. He just looked like a dude. I mean, 510 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: he just looked like a dude. And I thought this 511 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: was a big, big day um for for breefe Haul. 512 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: There's some running backs that that that did a nice 513 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: job and I, you know me personally, I see this 514 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: as a very deep running back class. I think a 515 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: lot of these guys are gonna have an impact. Is 516 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: not just RB one, but but the second running backs 517 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: on on their teams in third like, like the Chargers 518 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: should be very happy because they're gonna find a guy 519 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: who's gonna do the heavy lifting for maybe Brian Robinson. 520 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: Maybe they get him in the fourth round and say, 521 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: come on in and do the heavy lifting for Austin Ekeler. 522 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: We don't have to have Eckler handle, you know, all 523 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: the headbanging that has to go on. Snoop Connors a 524 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: mere white. So it's a great I think it's a 525 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: really deep running back draft. I think we saw that yesterday. Uh, 526 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: it's really more about power. They were fast too, but 527 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: it's about size. This year we finally have something like 528 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: to ten to fifteen to to thirty guys. Arrian who 529 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: was a Terran price some trying to remember his name 530 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: from l s U. That big guy was running too. 531 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean he was running running for his size. So um, 532 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was a good day for a group 533 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: of big running backs. And once again the speed numbers. 534 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: I'm to the point now where I'm like, are we 535 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: did something happened to this turf? But you said to you, 536 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: You're like, no, this is the same turf that you know. 537 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: You don't see any crazy three cone numbers that are 538 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: jumping off on the turf. Now you don't. And it's 539 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: funny because the uh, straight line explosiveness that we're seeing 540 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: from these guys really stands out the number of fast 541 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: times that we're seeing everyone kind of blaze in the 542 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: track in the forty But this year, unlike other years, 543 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: we're not seeing that same explosiveness carry over until the agility, 544 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: d drills and the jumps. And to me, it's a 545 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: problem because uh, as someone outlined me, outlined to me, 546 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: and this wasn't a football scout for the baseball guy, 547 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: can't It was like, you know, it is appears as 548 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: if everyone has been cramming for the tests as opposed 549 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: to studying. Meaning it appears that a lot of guys 550 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: to the six to eight weeks to get ready for 551 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: the combine, but they haven't taken to three or four 552 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: years the day we're in college to fully prepare for 553 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: the next level. And you can see it in their 554 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: bodies lance. You talk about the big guys, and the 555 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: big guys, you expect them to kind of do that 556 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: last minute, uh loss of weight deal. But the the 557 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: the skill guys just a little different, you know, in 558 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: terms of like the full development and those things. Some 559 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: guys in the running back group looked a little different 560 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: because they kind of appeared rocked up and chills. It 561 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: didn't have as many questions, but the wide receivers wide 562 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: receivers were really lightened to tell I mean hundred and 563 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: eighty two hundred and ninety pounds in my estimation. And 564 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: in this league, the way the league has been played 565 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: out at the highest level in terms of the teams 566 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: that do the elite teams, and you gotta be a heavyweight. 567 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: And there's a reason. It goes back to the old 568 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: Nick Savan thing. There's a reason why you don't put 569 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: middleweights in the ring with heavyweights because over time, the 570 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: big old punches wear you down and so you just 571 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: have to see it. It's different. But to your point 572 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: about the running backs, man, I'm looking for these these 573 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: big running backs at a two hundred fifteen twenty pounds 574 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: plus that can put it down. I will say I 575 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: am intrigued by all of the guys that we broke 576 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: down on Combine today. At the top when we broke 577 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: down bre Saw, we had an ex so we had 578 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: one on Spiller, Um, we had one on somebody else. 579 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: Who else did we do? Did we do? I think 580 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: we did? Samir White and James Cook? James Cook, Hey, 581 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: these guys are these guys are legitimate. But let's let's 582 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: talk about Kenneth Walker for a minute. Yes, I think 583 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: he surprised a lot of people with his forty times. 584 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: What were you expecting to see when he was on 585 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: the turn? Well, I feel like, okay, I thought I 586 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: was gonna see a fast guy. I thought I was 587 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: gonna see running back fast in the four fours. You know, Bucky, 588 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: this we're getting desensitize these forty times. A four or 589 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: four five is a good time for a two hundred 590 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: and you know ten two fifteen pounds. He came into 591 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: two d eleven pounds. A four or four five would 592 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: have been fine for Kenneth Walker. He plays strong, but 593 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: he ran a four three eight. So I mean, I 594 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: almost feel like it's kind of a conversion chart where 595 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: this seems so fast. But um, that was really really 596 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: fast for a back his size. So I thought he 597 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: I thought he looked good. I thought he caught the ball. Well, 598 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: that's that was a big question. Mark two is can 599 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker catch the ball? Well? I thought his hands 600 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: looked fine yesterday and some of the basic drills that 601 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: he did. So I learned from Leonard Fournette don't judge 602 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: too much by the amount of catches a guy has. 603 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: Just pay attention to how he catches it, because anybody 604 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: can turn into a pass catcher in the right offense. 605 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: Anybody can. Len is a great example of that. Leonoforn 606 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: Nett has good hands, but we didn't think that he 607 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: would be a pass catching option. Or weapon or whatever 608 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: you wanna call him coming out of the back field 609 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: and town. But he was able to do that, uh 610 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: kind of walking very well. Maybe the same for him. 611 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: This guy that is, I mean, he is terrific as 612 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: a runner. I felt like in terms of runner, only 613 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: ball in his hands come between the tackles. I don't 614 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: know if you'll find one is fine. Can I tell 615 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: you what I was disappointed about? And I don't know 616 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: if you even do you. I don't know if you 617 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: saw this or not. All running backs so they're not 618 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: running short shuttle. They didn't run three connor short shuttle. 619 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: They all declined they were gas at the end. Is 620 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: that what it was? It was they were gas. Yeah. 621 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: It was funny because at the end of the thing, 622 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there standing with Tony Richardson, longtime fullback in 623 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: the National Football League, guy lead block for Agan Peterson 624 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: and others we played together in Kansas City, and I'm 625 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: sitting there on the other side. Is work done? And 626 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: they said, considering how long the day has been for 627 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: the players, how later was because it was after nine 628 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: o'clock when those guys were kind of on the turf 629 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: doing the deal they started today I mean before nine, 630 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, they've done all the stuff. Some of them 631 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: had bench pressing and all of that. He's like, no way, 632 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: what I would I run to these drills? Legs are tired, 633 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: you shot. He was like, look at them cutting and 634 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: those things that you've seen. Guys have more difficulty doing 635 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: simple task and assignments, which in their estimate kind of 636 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: lit was a sign of fatigue. I don't know, so 637 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: I understand it is a bit of a long day. 638 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: They didn't do the three cone in the short shuttle, 639 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: so it just means they have to do it at 640 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: their pro day. Um, it doesn't really impact me or 641 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: bother me. Either way, they didn't do it. It is 642 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: interesting that everyone decided at one time in unison. Now 643 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: we're good, I want to ask you. I want to 644 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: ask you this question. Uh do you think the combines? 645 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: So you already saw that that the combine has had 646 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: any because there they decided to do the bench press 647 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: on the same day as the field workouts. You saw 648 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: more guys opting out of benching than ever before, especially 649 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: s positions and waiting until their pro day. Now we're 650 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: seeing an entire group running back group waiting on three 651 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: cone and short shuttle. I know the combine would love 652 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: to get all of that, if possible, at one location. 653 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: Do you think they look at readdressing some of the 654 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: timing of the combined events so that they can have 655 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: the best opportunity. I mean, what you're asking then basically 656 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: is running backs to maybe run short shuttle and and 657 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: do some of the field stuff earlier, and maybe you 658 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: save the forty four later. Maybe you're asking what to 659 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: do it on a separate day where it's not in 660 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: front of everyone. I don't know. I don't know what 661 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: the answer is, but I know they'd love to get 662 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: everything in one spot if possible. I'm just not sure 663 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: that's gonna happen anymore. Hey look this scounse me love it, 664 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: but it's it's a done deal that that should be. Still, 665 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: this is a TV event now, and so the timing 666 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: of it, no, I just stayed the same. And so 667 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: guys just have to understand you have to get onto 668 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: pro day circuit. You can have to do the bench press, 669 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to run the short shuttles and those 670 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: things at your par day. But we've also seen this LANs. 671 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: Some guys are just like, hey man, I'm not testing. 672 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm not doing this stuff like, hey, I gave you fordy, 673 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: I showed up at the combine. I may never give 674 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: you a bench press. I mean, look, I may opt 675 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: out of doing all the other stuff. Either you like 676 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: me or you don't. Now, I typically take someone who 677 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: has some cloud, who kind of knows where he's going 678 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: to be drafted, and typically it's it's early. But I mean, 679 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: I think this is a tip of iceberg in terms 680 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: of what guys participated in. They may just do the 681 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: necessary items on the checklist and leave the auxiliaries for you. 682 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: Do remember pro day and maybe can try and convince 683 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: me to do it. Yeah, it will be interesting. I 684 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: want to mention just a couple of other players who 685 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: I think deserves mentioned. Pierre Strong. Pierre Strong, let me 686 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: tell you something now, Pierre Strong is smooth and can 687 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: catch it also and he he does not get talked about. 688 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: But you watched him. I did not go to East 689 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: West this year, but I liked him on tape from 690 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: South Dakota State. He ran really really fast and then 691 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: had a thirty six inch vert as well. Um, and 692 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: he's a guy, Bucky. I I think I heard you 693 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: talking with with a J. Highsmith down on the field. Um, 694 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: I heard you talking to somebody about Pierre Strong. I 695 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: believe maybe it was Rhett d d. Now I had 696 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: a chance to see him at the East West Ryan game. 697 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: He's crazy productive throughout his time UH in college and 698 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: then he gets to the game. I mean, the game 699 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: is I want to say kind of slow motion to 700 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: him because the had a ton of reps. He's natural, 701 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: he has a confidence about him that only comes from 702 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: being UH an experienced player. So to me, that stood out. 703 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: And when we are looking for those guys who have 704 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: the potential to be solid RB ones, you want to 705 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: look into history and see have they have they had 706 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: an opportunity to do it, and how did they fare 707 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: when given the ball? Like a like a heavy workload. 708 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: He's shown that he can he can handle the workload 709 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: and it doesn't impact his production and those things. That's 710 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: why I think he has a chance to be one 711 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: of those sleeper picks that we talked about. Can I 712 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: say a two I don't know, but maybe day three 713 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: those teams that are kind of falling in line with 714 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: the Shanahan viewpoint on the running backs. Yeah, I think 715 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: early day three he ends up going. But he's a 716 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: good player. That's why you gotta I mean, because it's 717 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: such a deep class. We've made this point already, these guys. 718 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: You were going to get guys who can still play 719 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: in the fourth and fifth round this year. I mean, well, 720 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: you do every year, but this year maybe more than any. 721 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: I'll tell you another guy that's under the radar, and 722 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: I mentioned him to a to a team yesterday that 723 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: that I think we'll have an interest in him. Um, 724 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm the team already knows. But the area scout that 725 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: I talked to Kevin Harris from South Carolina. So Kevin 726 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: Harris is one of those guys who jumped thirty eight 727 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: and a half inches. He's two one pounds. He was 728 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: hurt this year and played with some injury this year, 729 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: and his tape was not as explosive and productive as 730 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: it was in But if you go back to and 731 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: I don't see how an SEC running back you don't 732 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: pay like to me, don't tell me, well you can't 733 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: go back to I can't. I can't go back to 734 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: an SEC schedule and go look at how a guy 735 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: who was healthy did in when he when he crushed it. 736 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: I absolutely can't he did not run yesterday, but on 737 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: tape you can see he's more than fast enough. He's big, 738 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: he's a bruiser, he's explosive. UM. Kevin Harris is another 739 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: guy from South Carolina that right now is flying under 740 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: the radar because one did not go as expected. UM, 741 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: And I think you sometimes you have to reach back 742 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: a little further than just this the single year's tape 743 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: to go find out who a guy is. No, it's 744 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: funny you say that because l I'm in complete opposition 745 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: of what those guys may have been telling you. I 746 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: am a body of work due whatever you put on 747 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: in college. I think it deserves a look because it 748 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: gives you, UM a more thorough evaluation, because you're seeing 749 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: the total picture. And so if I have the ability 750 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: to go back and look at what someone did in 751 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: the sec years ago, then it gives me an opportunity 752 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: to go down on the pro day and whenever I 753 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: talked to the coaches, Hey, what did it? Why was 754 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: the production so different? What? What impacted him? Can he 755 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: do you think after watching him every day he can 756 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: get back to that level that he displayed very early 757 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: in his career. Um, all of those things I think 758 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 1: that stuff matters. Man. I think I think we evaluated me. 759 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: It can't just be the last season evaluation. I think 760 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: that's when you run into mistakes because you're willing to 761 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: kind of overgrade or overvalue the Johnny Come Lately's as 762 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: opposed to the guys that were the steady edy producers 763 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: over time. Yeah, no question, and you have to. I 764 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: mean you have to look at those guys. But well, 765 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: before we before we wrap it up, I know we 766 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: got Bruce Hall also, you talked to him. I'm really 767 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: interested to see what Bruce had to say. But you know, 768 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: that's why it's so tricky. You talk about body of work. 769 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: Can he pick its body of work? Not that great? Um, 770 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: you have Desmond Ritter's body of work. It's good for 771 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: being four years, but he just had this big, big year. 772 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: You know. Quarterbacks almost a different animal. It seems like 773 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: where a body of work, maybe you don't get two 774 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: wrapped up and what they did is a sophomore even junior. 775 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: But then again sometimes sometimes the key is held there also. Yeah, 776 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: and I think when we talked about quarterbacks, I see 777 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: I still believe like you gotta be careful with the 778 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: one year. One is the guys who have significant jumping production, 779 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: like what led to that. But one guy that we 780 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: know for sure was a productive player his entire time, 781 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: and I was saying that was brees All. So let's 782 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: listen to brees All and what he had to say 783 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: about his combat combined performance and what he expects to 784 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: do as a pro player. One of the time running 785 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: back prospects, maybe the best running back prospect in the draft, 786 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: I would state, standout, brees All, how's everything, man? How 787 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: would you combine? I felt like I had a really 788 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: good day. I still think I leoked a little bit 789 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: out there on the table, but overall, I just I 790 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: just can't wanted to come out and prove that I 791 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: was the best running back in this draft, and I 792 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: felt like I did that today. But there's obviously a 793 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: lot of excitement about what you were able to do, 794 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: but more boredly what you guys that I was stay 795 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: where would do during your time? And I always stay 796 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 1: you guys rose the prominence, What was the key to 797 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: your team? And you personally stepping up and being a 798 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: big time player. Um really um? For me, I came 799 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: in our seventeen a really young, immature guy, and it 800 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: was older guys like my quarterback Brock Party, like tight 801 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: ends Charlie Cohler and Chase Allen and the greg Oysworth 802 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: on my team. Just some of those older juniors and 803 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: seniors that were able to mold me into being a 804 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: person in the players that him today. You know, mccampbell 805 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: gets a lot of credit, um for building the program, 806 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: but you guys have kind of gone from being underdogs 807 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 1: to being one of the premier programs in college football. 808 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: Talk about that experience. What was about coach Campbell and 809 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: some of the things that you learned from him that 810 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: eventually helped to be excessive program. Yeah, Um, our relationship 811 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: is really good. You know, he's like a friend, a 812 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: big brother, and the father figure all in one. So um, 813 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: just what what I admire so much about him is 814 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: that he I know, he's always gonna expect, you know, 815 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: the best out of me, and I'm always gonna expect 816 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: that out of him. And for me, you know, he 817 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: told me if I came to I always stay, he 818 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: was gonna make me the best back in the country, 819 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: and I felt like that's what he did in three years. 820 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: Well look, man, watching you on tape, you certainly are 821 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: able to do a bunch of different things are running 822 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: inside and outside. You kept the ball out the back field. 823 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: But man, I gotta say you, fifty touchdowns, fifty touchdowns 824 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: on the ground is amazing. When you look at yourself 825 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: on tape, what are some of the best things that 826 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: you do? Um? I think the best thing that I 827 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: do is just that I'm so balanced and versatile. You know, 828 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,919 Speaker 1: there's no um just selling to my game. I feel 829 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: like there's things I can still get better at. So 830 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: that's why I feel like I'm so valuable, you know, 831 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: And today I feel like I proved that. I know, 832 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that, m RB one. Look, I 833 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 1: mean that it's hard to dispute that when you look 834 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: at the pro game. Who are some of the NFL 835 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: running backs? Did you kind of patty your game after? Well, 836 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: my cousin is Roger Craig, so I grew up kind 837 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: of idolizing him. And you know, the Alvin Kamaras, the 838 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, say Kwan's um, the young Ezekie Elliotts, just 839 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: guys like that that I try to take game from 840 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 1: them and implemented them to myself, which helped me become 841 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: more versatile. Back. I noticed you named all those Pro 842 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: bowlers and all pros guys that could run and catch 843 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: and do all those things game. It's the only shifting 844 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: towards that. And so as we think about the next 845 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: few weeks and getting ready for you prode, getting ready 846 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: for the draft, what are the final things that you 847 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: want to prove the scouts when it comes to your game. UM, 848 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: I just want to prove that in that I can 849 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: run route so I can catch the ball efficiently. Um, 850 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: I didn't have a drop today, so I did that 851 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. But I'm gonna have a lot to 852 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: show on my proday and we'll look. Man, we're looking 853 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 1: forward to it. We wish you nothing but the best 854 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: on your journey. Thanks so much for joining moved to stick. 855 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. So it 856 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: was he looked my man. My man put it down. 857 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: He's very determined to be RB one in this class 858 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: by all accounts. You look at what he was able 859 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: to do at Iowa Stadius a compelling case. He's one 860 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 1: of those guys that um can run it with power 861 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: in between attackers, but also get out on the perimeter 862 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: and play with finesse. He can catch it out of 863 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: the backfield and just a really tough, smart door of 864 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 1: a kid. So I think he has a chance, but 865 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a chance to be a really good player. 866 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: And I think, did you made the cop did you 867 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: compare him to Matt fourt? That was me. Yeah, everyone 868 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: wanted to do lebian Bell, but the fact is, I'm 869 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: like Manyard kind of sleeping on the you gotta look 870 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: at well lebian I could catch it too, But I 871 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: thought he was really a lot like Matt Forte. The 872 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: more I got into a lot more like it. And 873 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: you're right because the way that you do the comparison, 874 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: the comparison should absolutely be on the playing style. Uh 875 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 1: Levian Bell is more of the one of one types 876 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: because even the way he came out of Michigan State 877 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: and the way that he played in Pittsburgh completely different. 878 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: Breeze All is very smooth and kind of silky like 879 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: Matt Forte was, where you look up and you're like, man, 880 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: this dude quietly hit us for one twenty um. You 881 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: know he does those kinds of things. I think Breeze 882 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: Breese All has that, and and making the comparison in 883 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: terms of scouting the helmet a little more dynamic and 884 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: electric than his teammate was Dave Montgomery. Different different style runner. Uh, 885 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: you can see him change gears. I can't say we 886 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: always saw that from the other cyclone when he was 887 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: coming through. Yeah. No, Um, Montgomery wasn't the same as 888 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: but I think Breeze is. Yeah, Brief is a more 889 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: explosive athletes. Well, I mean, don't take our work for it. 890 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: Go look at combine results if you want to go 891 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: look at the numbers and so look there you have it. Man. 892 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: That's that's that's I take on what took place on 893 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: day two at the Combine. It was all about the 894 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: offensive linement and the running backs. Uh. Day three though 895 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 1: we got them, got the money makers on board were 896 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: talking about those pass rushers and linebackers and and that stuff. 897 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: So make sure, um, you come back tomorrow or later 898 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: to hear day three other results. Lance and I get together. 899 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: We're talking about everything that we saw on the workouts 900 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: on Saturday. Should be a good one. Thanks for tuning 901 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: in the Movie six podcast. We'll see you guys. So 902 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: the more momentou