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Speaker 1: M M. Coming to you live from the Cross Country

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Speaker 1: Mortgage Campus in Burrio, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily

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Speaker 1: on eight fift ESP in Cleveland. Here are your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Bo Bishop and Nathan Ziggura. All right, let's do it

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Speaker 1: live on a Monday ed issue of the program Early

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Speaker 1: Bow and the Great Z. This was a look, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is we. We've sat here for five weeks and said, look,

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Speaker 1: should be four and one should be, could be, could have,

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Speaker 1: would have, should have. Um. I think what happened Sunday

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Speaker 1: was all of those little things manifested in the biggest

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Speaker 1: way possible and expose some of the deficient sees that

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Speaker 1: this team is at. And we can talk about and

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Speaker 1: and all of these things are true. When your division

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Speaker 1: can get to the playoffs, we can talk about those things.

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Speaker 1: But before any of those things can be legitimately discussed,

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Speaker 1: what ails this team needs to be fixed in relative

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Speaker 1: short order, because I do think it's fair to say

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Speaker 1: we were we We gotta be honest here. We build

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Speaker 1: this as a must win. We did, and I know

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Speaker 1: technically it's not because of some of the stuff that

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Speaker 1: happened in the division. And now it is the three

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Speaker 1: and three three and three. Everybody blah blah blah, Petrol

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Speaker 1: beat Tampa Bay. All of that can be true, but

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Speaker 1: this was. Um. What you want to see is you

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Speaker 1: want to see a team the trajectory pointing in the

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Speaker 1: right direction and we're going the other way. Um. And

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Speaker 1: this was the worst of it by a decent margin.

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Speaker 1: I thought you never let in this game. You allowed

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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback who was not supposed to play this year,

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Speaker 1: in fact, he was not supposed to dress this year

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Speaker 1: for the New England Patriots. You let him come in

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Speaker 1: in his first road start against you, and twenty four

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Speaker 1: of thirty four three nine yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions,

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Speaker 1: averaging nine yards in attempt in a quarterback rating of

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Speaker 1: about a hundred and twenty. Yeah, you had them in

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Speaker 1: third and long I think three times on their opening drive,

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Speaker 1: which is exactly what you wanted. That's exactly where you

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Speaker 1: wanted to be. And then you could not get off

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Speaker 1: the field. You there were blown assignments again. There were

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Speaker 1: missed coverages won by jeremiahsu Cormo that led to a

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Speaker 1: fifty three yard play to John new Smith won by

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Speaker 1: um Grant Delpot that let Hunter Henry get a thirty

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Speaker 1: If we did anything well, honestly, we stopped the run. Well,

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Speaker 1: we sold out to stop hermondre Stevenson and and for

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Speaker 1: the most part we did, with the exception of obviously

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Speaker 1: on third and ten, a thirty one yard touchdown. Am

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Speaker 1: I not up? I think you're half up? It sounds

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Speaker 1: to me like you're half up. You guys have full

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Speaker 1: z over there. Okay, all right, it's the full me

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Speaker 1: I full. You might just be the audio going into here,

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Speaker 1: drums and appropriate. It was. It was a game where

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Speaker 1: you're sitting there. I think the Patriots had seven first

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Speaker 1: half penalties and you couldn't capitalize on anything another fourth

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Speaker 1: down in in opponent's territory, which we can argue all

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Speaker 1: we want about the spot. I thought it was an

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Speaker 1: insane spot. Where I was sitting was right about the

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Speaker 1: quite online, but probably twelve yards offline. It was. It's

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Speaker 1: it was a brutal spot. It was an awful spot.

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Speaker 1: And I don't I was sitting there as talking to

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Speaker 1: I don't even know based on where that spot is.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why they're measuring the full yard

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Speaker 1: ahead of where they spotted it. I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: We went backwards. It was Jacoby went forward and somehow

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Speaker 1: it ended up being for a full yard short. Not

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Speaker 1: the real the the replay change on the on side kick,

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Speaker 1: which is again there. To me, there was nothing. Again

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Speaker 1: talking to an usher, I said, there's no way you

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Speaker 1: And yet yeah, it was when you do all of

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Speaker 1: the other things. This is what we've talked about a lot.

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Speaker 1: previously this game three different times. These little mistakes cost

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Speaker 1: play your best football and offensively, this was our first

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Speaker 1: is too good to be And it's hard to say

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Speaker 1: It's this is who they are through six games. We

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Speaker 1: are a bad defense. We are an organization right now

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Speaker 1: that is two and four after playing the likes of

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Speaker 1: And in those five games that I just mentioned there

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Speaker 1: it unraveling. And look, you're never gonna win turning the

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Speaker 1: typically you're not gonna win when you turn the ball

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Speaker 1: for Jacoby Brissett. It was it was a bad game.

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Speaker 1: Five the two picks lost the fumble, he was sacked

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Speaker 1: we needed to run it a lot more, We need

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Speaker 1: For thirty five minutes, Yeah, they got what they wanted.

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Speaker 1: It was so glaring the third down efficiency of them.

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Speaker 1: better you just you can pay more close attention to

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Speaker 1: all the statistical stuff that's happening. It felt like in

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Speaker 1: third and forever, and it was convert, convert, convert, penalty, convert, pass, interference, convert.

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Speaker 1: felt like they picked them all up. It was so

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Speaker 1: damn frustrating. On the same drive in the first quarter,

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Speaker 1: terms of the amount of points you're scoring, the efficiency

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Speaker 1: all of it. This week. You can we do the

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Speaker 1: all the same? So? Did them all the same? I

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Speaker 1: haven't even looked at it. Who doesn't matter? Um? No,

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Speaker 1: it's really frustrating. And I think from a you know,

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Speaker 1: spend this right now, but the reality is your game

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Speaker 1: out in a division and that's that's the only way

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Speaker 1: to the playoff. I heard you and Jeff on the

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Speaker 1: call last night on the way home we left after

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Speaker 1: the muffed punt and said enough, that's enough. And at

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Speaker 1: and you brought up a good point and you weren't.

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Speaker 1: You weren't being patronizing at all. You just said, this

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Speaker 1: other could get hot. Yes, and those two, by the way,

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Speaker 1: playing defensive football. That's the reality. This has been. We've

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Speaker 1: played six games. Yesterday was an aberration for this offense.

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Speaker 1: This has sadly become the norm for this defense. And

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Speaker 1: that is something that I never in a million years

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Speaker 1: would have guessed that we would be where we are defensively.

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Speaker 1: If you go back to camp and you thought about

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Speaker 1: the type of talent we had in the back seven,

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Speaker 1: at the linebacker position. Up front, they are not married,

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Speaker 1: one is not playing. They're not complimentary football. It is

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Speaker 1: one bust after bust after bust after bust, and it's

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Speaker 1: been happening now for six weeks. And so this isn't

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Speaker 1: an aberration defensively, this is who we are and that

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Speaker 1: is going to make the next How are many games

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Speaker 1: because I have six more games to Watson's back, and

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Speaker 1: he on the lexer for that, He's not gonna fix

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Speaker 1: all that. We have nothing happening at the defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: when Jevan Clowney's out and he's missed now three games.

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Speaker 1: We have breakdowns at our second level every week. We

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Speaker 1: have breakdowns at our third level seemingly every week. We have.

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Speaker 1: We lack I discipline on the back end of this defense.

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Speaker 1: and we lack talent I think on the first level

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Speaker 1: of this defense, with the exception of Miles and Clowney. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but and Clowney has played half the games well exactly,

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Speaker 1: so when he's not there, it is noticeable. Miles was unbelievable. Yes,

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Speaker 1: things I said on the broadcast. I didn't even make

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Speaker 1: the case why you would go for two. I said,

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Speaker 1: they're going to go for two. That is the conventional

429
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Speaker 1: wisdom in the NFL. That's what you do. Because people said, yeah,

430
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Speaker 1: but if you kick and and so this is where

431
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Speaker 1: you get into the un human, the human part of it, humolyticsmas.

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Speaker 1: If you waited until you got you scored, you kicked

433
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Speaker 1: the extra point, you're down eight. Guess what when you

434
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Speaker 1: don't get that too, it still hurts just as much

435
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Speaker 1: as when you didn't get the two before. Now you

436
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Speaker 1: know you could do something about it. I e kicked

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Speaker 1: on side and they recovered it. Had you kicked the

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Speaker 1: one you're kicking deep, it just changed. You knew you

439
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Speaker 1: needed that extra position. You knew you had to be

440
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Speaker 1: at that point already. I need to hurry a point,

441
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Speaker 1: as opposed to saying, oh, well, I guess we really

442
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Speaker 1: need another possession when there's thirty seconds left and then

443
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Speaker 1: you're out of luck. That's why it's done, and it's not.

444
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Speaker 1: That's not a Brown's decision. Every team in the league

445
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Speaker 1: does that. Yeah, most do it. It does. There's there's

446
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Speaker 1: no way you can argue it from a data standpoint.

447
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Speaker 1: I understand it completely. It does not take into effect

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Speaker 1: how it affects humans, and that's the only failure of it.

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Speaker 1: But the of it, the failure just as good, So

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Speaker 1: this is correct. I think the question with these type

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Speaker 1: of things are this are the failure? Is the failure

452
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Speaker 1: of it? And the emotional distress that causes Is that

453
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Speaker 1: great to me? I think sometimes that's greater than the

454
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Speaker 1: boost you would get forgetting it. That's just it. I

455
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Speaker 1: can bat it up back because it's just my gut

456
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Speaker 1: feeling of it. It's a gut feeling of this, and

457
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Speaker 1: it's basically and we lost the game anywo And it's

458
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Speaker 1: based on emotion, which is which is not a good

459
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Speaker 1: way to make decisions. No knowledge but rarely do. The

460
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: negative of that would have been immediately overcome by the

461
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Speaker 1: positive of us recovering that on site, had you done it,

462
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Speaker 1: and we knew we needed to do the on site

463
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Speaker 1: because of the not so certainly give it. It's just

464
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Speaker 1: look that none of those things are while you lost. No,

465
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Speaker 1: we're not executing in important situations. Third and long defensively,

466
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Speaker 1: in this particular game, we didn't get it done on

467
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Speaker 1: a fourth down sneak, which again the spot is so

468
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Speaker 1: horrific it's hard for me to even get my hand

469
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Speaker 1: around how we went from fourth and an inch or inches.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Harrison Bryant very well may have

471
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Speaker 1: gotten the first down on third down this he gains

472
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Speaker 1: positive yardage on the sneak and we ended up going

473
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Speaker 1: back a yard backwards. Yeah, so that was stupefying. Do

474
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Speaker 1: you did you get a good explanation on what happened?

475
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: It was in the first half, And again, when you're there,

476
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Speaker 1: you can't jot things the way that you do when

477
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Speaker 1: you're at home. It's a third and forever, and they

478
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Speaker 1: hit us with a acid interference where the receiver took

479
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Speaker 1: a dive. It was on your side, Williams was that

480
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Speaker 1: the greedy one where the guy took a dive. Like

481
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Speaker 1: the replay clearly shows they don't get tangled. He just

482
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: goes like this and he's begging the right there official

483
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Speaker 1: for the call is out of bounds, and they the

484
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Speaker 1: guy is the guy calls it is not the official here.

485
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Speaker 1: It's the one up the field by Belichick. I was

486
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Speaker 1: right there. The guy up the field by Belichick threw

487
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Speaker 1: the flag on it because the Patriots receiver. What was

488
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Speaker 1: the call? But we didn't go spot foul? Yeah yeah,

489
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: but yeah we did. It went it was on the

490
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Speaker 1: right sideline. Did go all the way up the territory.

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Speaker 1: I knew that, but I didn't think they went all

492
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Speaker 1: the way spot. It felt like it was like a

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Speaker 1: ten yard It was where he contacted him in their minds.

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Speaker 1: You got to be kidding me. It was crazy. That

495
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Speaker 1: one was crazy. My god, it's come on, man. If

496
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Speaker 1: the guy right and again he feel like we have

497
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: to say this all the time. This isn't it's not.

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Speaker 1: None of these things individually, and maybe this brings all

499
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Speaker 1: the way full circle. None of these individual gripes or

500
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: complaints or or botches lead to a loss. That's why

501
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: to me, This was all of those little things in

502
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Speaker 1: one big thing and led to what we had. This

503
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: was all of the chickens coming home to roost at

504
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Speaker 1: one time. This was we beat ourselves and they beat

505
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Speaker 1: us in the same game, and that ends up looking

506
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Speaker 1: much uglier than it needs to be. I mean just

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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that you know, the we got

508
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Speaker 1: the most excited at being down fifteen. That was when

509
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: it felt like, well, maybe that's that tells you all

510
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Speaker 1: you need to know now Again, the hard part is

511
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Speaker 1: what's the solution and what has happened to This was

512
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: a great defense last year. It's the same people. I

513
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Speaker 1: don't I don't know, and I think the one thing

514
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Speaker 1: that you risk of doing and you can do that.

515
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you do this at the NFL

516
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Speaker 1: level or you do it coaching ten year olds. If

517
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Speaker 1: you start second guessing who you are, that you end

518
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Speaker 1: in nowhere. And that's what it feels like. We are

519
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Speaker 1: defensively like we well keep trying to adjust and try

520
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: to change who we are week to week, and we

521
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: we've lost what we are identically, what our principles are.

522
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: You're trying to do everything to pacify everybody weekend and

523
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Speaker 1: week out and in the meantime, what are we defensively?

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Speaker 1: What's our what is our m O? You mentioned all

525
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Speaker 1: the things we were a year ago, we're not those

526
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Speaker 1: things now. Um. And so that that leads to where

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Speaker 1: you get here. Um. What we do need to give

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Speaker 1: a shout out to the great Paul Godola, so he

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Speaker 1: is just a defense. Great job out of you, buddy, Um,

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00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: yet on the injury front. While getting some imaging on

559
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: the calf. I'll be able to update that later in

560
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: the week. You know, like I talked about after the game,

561
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: got beat, got beat on offense, defense, Special teams obviously

562
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: got beat. Players and coaches. Um, it's it's it's you

563
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: see it on tape. The game is so the margins

564
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: are razor thin in this game, and and you're three

565
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: to three there at the end of the first sea

566
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Speaker 1: get a great takeaway from our defense and we don't

567
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: capitalize with points. Um and then just moments throughout that

568
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: game where we just gotta pick each other up offense, defense,

569
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Speaker 1: special teams, got to play a complimentary football together to

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Speaker 1: go get a win. And we weren't able to do

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Speaker 1: that yesterday. And that's the frustrating part. We're watching the

572
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Speaker 1: tape as we speak, players are in the meetings as

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Speaker 1: we speak to learn from it. And then and we

574
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Speaker 1: have to move forward. We have to move forward. We

575
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Speaker 1: understand what's at stake, especially this week versus a really

576
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: good football team in our division. So we'll do that.

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00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: We will move forward. Um, But I'll answer any questions

578
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Speaker 1: that you guys have. And is Denzel still in the protocol? Yes? Okay,

579
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Speaker 1: thank you? Yeah, Kevin, when you watch the tape with Jacoby,

580
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Speaker 1: was there anything specific? I mean, that was the worst

581
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Speaker 1: game of the year, probably, so was there anything that

582
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: you really noticed that contributed to that yesterday? Yeah? I

583
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: think you know, we can't turn the ball over. I

584
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: think that's that's obvious. Jacoby knows that, and really as

585
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: a team, we have to we have to do way

586
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Speaker 1: better both taking care of the ball and getting the ball. Um.

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Speaker 1: But more than anything, I think Jacoby understands his role

588
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: and his job is to you know, operate in this offense.

589
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: But ultimately we can't turn again. He understands that. Yeah,

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00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: Kevin wondering, Um, what gives you confidence that you guys

591
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: will be able to get this turned around? And what

592
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Speaker 1: was your takeaway from Jacoby's message to the team last night. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I believe in the people we have in

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Speaker 1: that locker room. Mary Kay, I've seen I've seen us

595
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: play winning football, offense, defense, special teams with that group.

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Speaker 1: And then Jacoby's message. You know, he's a he's a leader,

597
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: He's been through a lot in his career, so I

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Speaker 1: think it's always good when he wants to impart those

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Speaker 1: type of messages to the guests. Kevin, I know you

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Speaker 1: addressed this issue a little bit after the game, but

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Speaker 1: after reviewing it all, do you wish you would have

602
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Speaker 1: called more running place? Yeah? I think obviously, when you

603
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: get out of a game and you don't come, you know,

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Speaker 1: you lose thirty eight fifty and you look at a

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00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: lot of things that you wish you did differently. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think the game we weren't having as much success

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Speaker 1: as we've had in the past. However many games and

608
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Speaker 1: then the game gets to four to six with five

609
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: minutes left in the third, so gonna force you to

610
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: play a little bit differently in terms of trying to

611
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: play catch up. So we go into every game, as

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Speaker 1: you can imagine, wanting to make sure that our guys

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Speaker 1: are touching the ball. We talked about it throughout the game,

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Speaker 1: about what their touches are and those type of things.

615
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: It's just sometimes the score and the game dictates that

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Speaker 1: you have to play catch up. So when it comes

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Speaker 1: to you guys not having as much success, like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you guys are the number one rushing attack obviously heading

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Speaker 1: in and um, is it just a matter of the

620
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: Patriots or you know, schemed it to take away that

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Speaker 1: strength or you guys lost? Wyatt Teller, Um, what happened?

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Speaker 1: Why weren't you as successful as we're used to seeing you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think you should start with giving them credit.

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Speaker 1: You know, they I don't know, there weren't fronts necessarily

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Speaker 1: that we didn't foresee. We just we uh, we didn't

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00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: win our one on ones consistently enough. Um, So as

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's sometimes there's dirty runs that that

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00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: happened throughout the course of the game and then you

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Speaker 1: pop one and yes day they did a nice job.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we'll keep working. Not discouraged, Kevin. I

631
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Speaker 1: know you guys have talked about leadership now having to

632
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: be super vocal, a lot of the guys leading by example.

633
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Speaker 1: But when you're in a place like this where you've

634
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Speaker 1: lost three straight and there's some frustrations maybe building within

635
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Speaker 1: the team, is there a desire to have more of

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Speaker 1: a push for guys to be leader, step up as

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Speaker 1: leaders vocally, or maybe you put a little more fire

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00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: into the guys to keep them grounded. Yeah, I think it's. Um.

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Speaker 1: You want everybody to be themselves cam in that regard,

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Speaker 1: so if they are vocal, you want them to be

641
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Speaker 1: vocal leading by example. It's really really important, especially like

642
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, when when you're going through you know, you

643
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Speaker 1: lost a few in a row and you want to

644
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Speaker 1: come out on the other side. You want examples of

645
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: guys that are doing it the right way. So everybody

646
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: can can see that. So guys lead in different ways.

647
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: We encourage them to lead in different ways. But as

648
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: much as anything, it's a matter of doing and less

649
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: and less talking. What went into the decision to play

650
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: Taki Taki more than j okay yesterday? Just again felt

651
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: like it was that type of game and some of

652
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: the bigger run fits UM. Two quick things. The first

653
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: quick thing is Dion Jones was not ready obviously to

654
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: play UM is more likely he would be this week? Yeah,

655
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: it's definitely more likely. Want to continue to see how

656
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: he comes along, Tony from a you know, physical and

657
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: mental standpoint. And after the game you were asked about

658
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs started, let me ask you about relieving during

659
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: a game to provide a spark. Are you against that?

660
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: I know last year Baker's the franchise quarterback and all that,

661
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: but you're operating with a kind of a temper quarterback

662
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: right now. Are you as reluctant to seek a spark

663
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: at that position if it's not performing well? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I won't get into speculative stuff like that, Tony. I

665
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: just think for us, Jacobe's battling UM. I know he

666
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: can play better that I've seen him play better. He

667
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: will play better. I've seen it. Um. So that's where

668
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: my focus is. Can I do something to put you

669
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: in a good mood? There? You know? If I'm on,

670
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: there we go. Now you're on the first teaser for

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Speaker 1: a Christmas Story Christmas with Peter Billingsley returning his Ralphie.

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Speaker 1: The film debuts no HBO Max, ralph He's back, baby,

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00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: So it's on HBO Max. All right. That makes me

674
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Speaker 1: feel like it's gonna got a chance. Yeah, I feel

675
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Speaker 1: like we have a chance chance here? What is a natural?

676
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: I know? The problem is the old Man was the

677
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Speaker 1: whole operation franchise. Yeah, the old Man was the star

678
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: and he is no longer with us, so he can't

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Speaker 1: be He's on. He's the best can he can? Is

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Speaker 1: he going to be the old Man? What's he been

681
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Speaker 1: in other than being Ralphie? Oh? Yeah, a ton of stuff?

682
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Speaker 1: Is he is an alf he was in um the Breakup?

683
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: He's one of the friends in the breakup? Is he

684
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: a friend in the break? And that? To break up?

685
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Speaker 1: A great movie? It's really damn negative though. It's a

686
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: lot to watch them just be rude and terrible for

687
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Speaker 1: the whole time. Yes, and that's my it's one of

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Speaker 1: miss case favorites. That's one of my really, that's one

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Speaker 1: of my I mean, I'm all the way through the

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Speaker 1: dinner scene with the Tom Tom Come, Come, come on

691
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Speaker 1: the top, that all the way through that, but then

692
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: the next forty five minutes it's so brutal and they

693
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: don't even end up together. No, you're supposed to think

694
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Speaker 1: maybe they do. Why would they want to be there

695
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: diametrically opposed? Yeah, No, whole table is a nice purchase. Well, yeah,

696
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Speaker 1: I mean it's Vaughan being in all of his vond

697
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Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine Anniston with that type of fastball

698
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Speaker 1: being involved or dealing with it. It seems impossible. She was.

699
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Speaker 1: What she was asking for is very reasonable. In the

700
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Speaker 1: beginning of the beef, there's one lemons, more lemons. That's

701
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Speaker 1: it for the big meal. That's all she wanted. It's

702
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: not up for debate it in terms of how many

703
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Speaker 1: or whatever. Like if I'm gonna throw mad at on,

704
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: I make sure that the dishes are. Have you done

705
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: your work, yes, but then play away enjoy yourself. Yeah,

706
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: what's the problem go out there and throw bombs on

707
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 1: people to make a trup. Sure, I'll do that. I'll

708
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Speaker 1: do that. Do you have to do the work first, right,

709
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: so that that's your that's your negative there um, So

710
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: there you go. So we did. We have We've got

711
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: a game five tonight. Guardians in the Yanks, McNeil was

712
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: running a muck on Facebook about India or Yankees planes.

713
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. I think no, I made

714
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: it all up. Well, I don't know that he made

715
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: it all up, but I think it was actually friends

716
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: and family of the Yankees, not the actual Yankees. The

717
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: Yankees flew back last night, but friends and family where

718
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: there was a Plaine issue for that scrambled to a

719
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: hotel and yeah, yeah, yeah, leave today. It was quite

720
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: the lark apparently that that had happened. So I don't know,

721
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: we'll see. Um, it is quite thrilling to get it.

722
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: And I will say it was pretty cool, you know,

723
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: even leaving the stadium with the Jose joseos a Jose

724
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: like that type of stuff, like people getting fired up.

725
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: Unfortune was a Sunday of despair for our city. Sure was. So.

726
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: I've watched now four baseball games in their entirety, which

727
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: is four more than on the year. All in this series, right,

728
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: it needs to be like a seven inning game like

729
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: at most. It's a lot. Man, it's so long, and

730
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: the tension of playoff baseball is awesome, not four days

731
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: in a row. It loses some of the lust and

732
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: attention of it because it's just long. How do you

733
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: handle Thrones? We gotta watch it tonight and ultimate episode,

734
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: and you didn't watch in real time? Here's the baseball

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Speaker 1: is over at ten ten beat box in Manteau. We're

736
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Speaker 1: in town. Hit the bricks boys, so I listen. I'm

737
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: very excited about how we're gonna do it. We got

738
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Speaker 1: hopping into a guest. Here's a here's next, get to

739
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: your chambers, the miss K and I need to watch

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Speaker 1: you know what happens on the penultimate episodes of Game

741
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: of Thrones. Of course I do. That's why I wanted

742
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: no distractions. I wanted shoes like this. This K was right. No,

743
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: I can't watch at chambers. I need to watch it

744
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: on a hundred and six inches and dive in immerse

745
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: myself in the world. So seven o'clock tonight, we've got

746
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: a date. We're watching Thrones, well the baseballs at seven,

747
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: So what are you banking on that the baseball is

748
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: first pitch game five. That's how I'm going to get

749
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: it to seven inning game. Oh, I see, So you're

750
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: gonna pick it up at eight oh seven. Hope it's close.

751
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: It will be, and I'll have that. Then we'll have

752
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: the football on the side TV. But I think that

753
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna wish that you had when it's over. I

754
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: think you're gonna wish that you had some time to

755
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: do some a little bit of reading. I'll again Scarlett

756
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: his Clemson Tigers. He looks so he is. He's got

757
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: new footwear. Yea one of those ons? Is that what

758
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: bos had a little pair of those? Um right comfy,

759
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: very light. I think that baseball is couldn't be a

760
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: better sport to watch, while also perusing the Ringer dot

761
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: com for Thrones information information. Yeah, baseball is kind of

762
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: like the equivalent of watching like like Bachelor in Paradise,

763
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: Like you don't need every split, No, you don't. You

764
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: can look up and say, oh boy, here we go.

765
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: It's too okay, alright in here, Jose's coming up, and

766
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: I can hear the crack of the bat tells me

767
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: something of consequence is happening. Real quick on this um

768
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: off coming up in fifteen minutes or so. Three one

769
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: hundred win teams done in baseball because of this five

770
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: game it should be every they should get razy and

771
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: everything you're playing if you're gonna play a hundred and

772
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: sixty two games, and damn it, you have to play

773
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: seven to determine whether or not you have to connect

774
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: that it would have made a difference for the Dodgers.

775
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: Like the Mats played three, they're well, they played two,

776
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: they're out, Good night, good luck. You want a hundred games.

777
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: I hope you had a great year. The Dodgers want

778
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: a hundred and eleven games. The Padres one eight nine,

779
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: and the Dodgers dominated the po Predres all season. The

780
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: Padres are in the NLCS. They beat him three games

781
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: to one, and that's it. So there you go. That's

782
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: how it goes. Hopefully. I do feel like after watching it,

783
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: here's my one baseball take. The Guardians back half of

784
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: the lineup and needs the same kind of infusion that

785
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: our defense needs. It's pretty dire and you can't count

786
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: on blooping your weight too run the other we're great

787
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: at it. We're the greatest blue hitting team. It's quite stunning.

788
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: But I just it feels like once you get past

789
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: the top five, it's like, can we get back the

790
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: quand please get back to the top as quickly it's

791
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad everybody got good weather for all of it.

792
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean, Saturday night was great. Yesterday's game, our game

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Speaker 1: is an odd choice. It is I'm sure to take

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Speaker 1: the cash for it. Um. We also have a very

815
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: interesting trade in the NFL um as. Robbie Anderson has

816
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: been dealt to the surprise of No One after yesterday's

817
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: so I only have read about it. He's fighting with

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00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: an assistant coach like fist fighting or yelling, and then

819
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: Wilkes says, kindly Leaf. He mikes single tarry him kindly Leaf,

820
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: and they grab an assistant in one of his assistants

821
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: escorts him. Didn't single Tarry do that like Vernon Davis.

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00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: Vern't win with them, won't win with them. Yep, I'll

823
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: do it. So he he sent him off. So they

824
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: got into a verbal altercation in the first half, okay,

825
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: and then Robbie was like off to the side while

826
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: the rest of the team was like the offense was

827
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: on a huddle. They went back out in the second

828
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: half in the third order. I guess Robby Anderson decides

829
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna re strike up this conversation with the offensive coach,

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00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: and that's when Wilkes was like, all right, you're done.

831
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Speaker 1: So I saw this, and I don't know that it

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Speaker 1: possibly is true, but it must be that that P. J.

833
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Walker had a negative A dot for the game, which

834
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: is average depth of target, which means his average pass

835
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: was behind the line of scrimmage for the game. As

836
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the NFL, Is that real? It could be.

837
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: I think they only had sixty yards passing and they

838
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: were all to McCaffrey. Yeah, I think that that's average.

839
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: To be fair, it's their fourth quarterback, yes, I mean

840
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: it was Bailey's Appy is their third quarterback? Well, obviously,

841
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: but that's New England versus Carolina. That's contents versus in

842
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Speaker 1: the Yeah, I mean you're talking about you, You're talking

843
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: about Donald Mayfield. Corral all done. Now, maybe they get

844
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Speaker 1: Donald back at some point. I don't know, Like if

845
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: I were them at this point, fire sale all of it.

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00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: There was rumors yesterday about well to the Rams, I

847
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: saw like that they would find some way to take

848
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: something and get a pick and and take McCaffrey onto

849
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: the rams, which they might need to do that. They

850
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: cover a good job out of us on the scores.

851
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: Did you see we made it? I feel like we

852
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: made a coup of crushed it crushed for real. Yeah,

853
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: because we're genius, honestly, Like there were fourteen games. I

854
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: think we already have like ten wins. Stop for tonight. Well,

855
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: when we were reversed Jinks, by the way, my most

856
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: proud moment and the kid, the kid I got. Oh,

857
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: this a lot to the teachings of the kid who

858
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: was the king of the jinks and the reverse jinks.

859
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: I I feel give a and you I want at

860
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: least three percent responsibility for Nick Folk missing that kick

861
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: total broadcast Jinks. In fairness, Phelps tied you up to

862
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: a second time earlier. Yeah, and he was like, come on, Nathan,

863
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: let's do it again. Sixty four kicks in a row.

864
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm inside of fifty yards NFL record, he said, And

865
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: then Phelps goes say it again, So I was like,

866
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: sixty four. Oh. The last time he missed a kick

867
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: in side of fifty yards was week one of the

868
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: season against the Miami Dolphins. So wouldn't this be a

869
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: great wide right wide? Right? Maybe they tried, they tried

870
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: to let you back in. They did. Yeah, So Anderson

871
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: has traded today to Arizona exchange for a sixth round

872
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: pick in and a seventh rounder in twenty twenty five. Um, Anderson,

873
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: that's gonna be because Hollywood Brown's done? Is that official

874
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: or headed that way? It feels people fear it's feared

875
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: to be a season ending in right, So Hollywood Brown,

876
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: who has been great for them, they're a disaster. They

877
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: just lost at Seattle. It really wasn't a close to

878
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: final score lead you to believe. So, oh my goodness,

879
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: we're doing the scores right now. Dude, were like, you

880
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying this. So we're like ten and

881
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: three going into night or nine and four end of tonight.

882
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: It's really good. We crushed it. I am sad that

883
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: I turned went against myself on Buffalo. That would have

884
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: been that would have been something that would have been

885
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: really special. That was a situation though that I mean,

886
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: you watch the end of that game, right. Let me

887
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: get back to the Anderson. So it's a it's a

888
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: sixth and a seventh, he goes to Arizona. Arizona get

889
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: Hopkins back, so they're gonna try to remake that thing

890
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: on the fly. By the way, there's a lot of

891
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: talk about, oh, you got a fire Cliff. They just

892
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: redid cliffs deal in Arizona. He's there till people think

893
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: that firing somebody in the middle of the season. And

894
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: I know our fans are angry. I get it. I'm

895
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: frustrated that, but you have to have a solution. It's

896
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: not like fire. And then what my theory on it

897
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: is that maybe they really didn't want to do the

898
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: Kyler extension. They put that clause in with the study

899
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: it out, but then they took it out because I

900
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: think of the pure pressure of all because he was upset,

901
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they don't. The feeling is kind of like, God,

902
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: we if he's not it, then what do we do?

903
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: But there's a specific way to play with him. It's tough.

904
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: They're a tough, tough watch. By the way, we have

905
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: nine wins. Yeah, I knew it was very very Niners Tampa.

906
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: We miss the Niners Tampa in Kansas City and us. Yeah,

907
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: I would also say this, I know that we talked

908
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: a little bit about it last week after rule got fired.

909
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: That potential fire or sale whatever, that does not appear

910
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: to even be a remote possibility. Other than Robbie Anderson

911
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: and McCaffrey. It doesn't sound like the Panthers have any

912
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: interest unless someone would just wows them with first round picks. Well,

913
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,479
Speaker 1: but wouldn't Anderson and McCaffrey at least constitute the start

914
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: of a trading McCaffrey would be a fire sale, would it?

915
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: It's a big deal, but you're trading a guy who

916
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: has never done anything? Is the game of contract at

917
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: a position? That is, you've opened two of you, but

918
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: you're not getting the first round or for yeah, exactly,

919
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: but somebody's take on a ridiculous contract. So it's like

920
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: the ramsamation. So what would constitute it? Would be DJ Moore?

921
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 1: Would it be their defensive alignement, Derek Brown? Everybody's off

922
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: off limits. They traded Burns or if they trade Brown,

923
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: or if they trade J. C. Horne. Here's the beauty

924
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: while he's in the second year. You gotta be ridiculous.

925
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing. They shouldn't do any of that.

926
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: They're bad enough right now to go one in sixteen

927
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: and pick C. J. Stroud number one overall and start fresh.

928
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: And that's what they should do. They should hang on

929
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: to everybody that should trade McCaffrey for young assets. Picks whatever,

930
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: um guys who can play shore of the offensive line.

931
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: Their defense is going to be good. They're all young.

932
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: That's what you do. Don't justin fields him, put him

933
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: in a position where he's got nobody around him. You

934
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: can't do that. Take care of him a little bit, um,

935
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: All right, That Joe Thomas Hour of the program is

936
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: coming up next. You wanted to clean them rounds? Yes,

937
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, Cleveland Brown's Daily sp and Cleveland el can

938
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: have serious injuries. Serious lawyers called one and under Cohio

939
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: for a free case for you. Welcome outs, proud partner

940
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: of your Cleveland Browns, And now time for the Joe

941
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: Thomas Hour of the program. Well, half um, where are

942
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: you bud after that one? Mm hmm? It was a

943
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: sad weekend in the Thomas household. First the Badgers get

944
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: stopped by Brian Hoyder's Michigan State Spartans, and then it

945
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: happened again on Sunday and embarrassing fashion just going in

946
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: the wrong direction. I think this one hurt more than

947
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: all the other losses that we've had thus far, because

948
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: it just feels like we're regressing. I think maybe that's

949
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: probably where you guys are too. M Yeah, there's no

950
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: doubt about it to try to bring a little levity

951
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: to this situation, though half do you feel slided in

952
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: your illustrious career the ten Pro Bowls ten thousand, three

953
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: sixty three consecutive snaps first lineman ever that you never

954
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: received the type of praise that Landon Dickerson received last

955
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: night from Chris Collins. I definitely do feel flighted. And

956
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: that was amazing. It was kind of funny. My wife

957
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: and I were just laying there and bed watching the game,

958
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: and she was actually dead asleep and she heard Collins

959
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: first say that, and I can only imagine the dream

960
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: that would in that moment. It won't grow up out

961
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,479
Speaker 1: of bed, and she goes, she goes, oh my god,

962
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, what did you just say? And I go, hey, God, Actually,

963
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: WO grew up out of that. I had to rewind it.

964
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: I recorded it for posterity, put it on Twitter because

965
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: I know that everybody out there in the twitters verse

966
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking the exact same thing that I was thinking.

967
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: I can't say it on the air. I'm gonna text

968
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: you the link to it, tweeted it this morning. Okay,

969
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: I'll find it. I'll track it down, all right, I

970
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: need to. I mean, I'm I'm thinking in my head

971
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: what this could be, and I think I can get there.

972
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you're prepared for what Actually, we'll do it.

973
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: In the break at least were laughing. Well that's positive,

974
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: so win off you Um, you you do echo our thoughts.

975
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: In fact, it feels to me, um, kind of we

976
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: led the show with us a little bit. It feels

977
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: like all of the little things that was it was

978
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: a little thing here, a little thing there, that all

979
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: of it came home to roost yesterday, that all those

980
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: little things became one big thing. And this was the

981
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: first time that our offense wasn't there to keep it

982
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: closer to bail us out. The offense really flailed as well.

983
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: So you had a combination of all that has ailed

984
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: this team all coming together in one Sunday, Um, in

985
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: a game that I understand it was twenty four to

986
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: fifteen at one point, but it never really felt even

987
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: that close. Honestly, it was pretty hopeless the whole afternoon.

988
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: To me, I thought of that as kind of a

989
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: mirror Sunday, right, because I think up until that game,

990
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: you looked in the mirror and you can kind of

991
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: fool yourself with what you were seeing, right, you know,

992
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: you saw some biceps where maybe there weren't biceps. You

993
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: maybe saw a chess step. It wasn't quite as developed

994
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: as yet thought. The waste was maybe a little bit

995
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: thinner than or a little bit bigger than you were

996
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: kind of telling yourself. But then when you get beat

997
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: like that, you can't really fool yourself anymore and make

998
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: excuses like there's just some humongous issues with this team,

999
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: and unfortunately they all came out at the worst possible time,

1000
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: and they've got a lot of soul searching that they

1001
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: have to do. You know, we we knew going into

1002
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: the season that it was going to be leaning on

1003
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: the run game until DeShawn Watson came back, and Oh

1004
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: Jacoby played really well the first three or four games

1005
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: of the season and he has not played well these

1006
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. And the defense, who we thought

1007
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: was going to be a top five defense, just can't cover.

1008
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they wanted that game saying we're gonna blitz,

1009
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna put extra guys in the box because we

1010
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: can't let New England's very good run game beat us.

1011
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: And when we did that, we we would have gone

1012
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: into the season and saying, hey, we feel pretty good

1013
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: about our back end covering man demn and blissing a

1014
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback who's the third string quarterback. And they couldn't cover.

1015
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean, flat up, they just did not cover the

1016
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: Patriots receivers. They were wide open with basic concepts. And

1017
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: I think I think that's why I was the most

1018
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: dejected after that game, because it was the mirror game,

1019
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: and we have to be honest about ourselves because that's

1020
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: what that game made us look in the mirror and

1021
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: be honest that we're just not very good in a

1022
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: lot of areas. Half one area that you you can control,

1023
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: right is your eye discipline. It's knowing your responsibilities and

1024
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do. For example, if you're in

1025
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: man coverage, you have to cover the man assigned to you.

1026
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: You literally can't let him run off the line uncovered.

1027
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: And yet we did that in a game we peeked

1028
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: on a third and one play action and got caught

1029
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: out of position, and it's a walk in touchdown for

1030
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry. My question to you is solutions. I think

1031
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to assess what's going wrong it. Are

1032
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: we at the point now where you have to play

1033
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: less talented people that can be relied upon to do

1034
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: their jobs over more talented people who are consistently telling

1035
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: you they're not doing their jobs on a consistent basis. Yeah, Unfortunately,

1036
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: I've been sitting in those meeting rooms a lot of

1037
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: times when you're searching for answers at this point in

1038
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: the season where you feel like the season is not lost,

1039
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: but you've got to make some big changes, Like you

1040
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: can't go along with the status quo because the status

1041
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: quo ain't working. And I think that's it was a

1042
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: come to Jesus game, like you have to make some

1043
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: big changes right now. And we know that we've got

1044
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: a lot of talent, or we think we have a

1045
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 1: lot of talent. But if you're consistently not getting it done,

1046
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: and you you make some excuses early on in the

1047
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: season and you say, wow, this is why it happened,

1048
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: this is why it didn't happen. We can fix it,

1049
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: We can get it right. At some point, you got

1050
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: to say, I'd rather have guys out there that I

1051
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: know that are going to get it right, but they

1052
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: may lose because physically they're not as talented. But if

1053
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: this defense wants to improve, if this team wants to improve,

1054
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: we got to put the guys out there that they're

1055
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: gonna do what's on the playbook on that sheet, because

1056
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: that's our best chance to have results. To give our

1057
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: offense an opportunity to run the football. We got the

1058
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: best running game in the NFL. That should keep us

1059
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: in any game, that should keep every game tight. We

1060
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't turn the football over because that will lead to

1061
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: losing football. So this game plan that we have, run

1062
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: the ball, don't turn it over, play tough defense. You know,

1063
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: you might get beat physically from time to time, but

1064
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: that's the playbook. Like that's the old school playbook. Like

1065
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: that's what Belichick was, you know, before Brady became the

1066
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback of all time. It was like, Hey, we'll

1067
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: run the ball, will be really tough, physical on defense,

1068
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: and we have guys that are going to be in

1069
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: the right spot, and you know what, we can live

1070
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: with getting beat physically, but we can't live with turning

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00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: the football over. And we can't live with mental mistakes,

1072
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: whether it be with your eye, discipline, with communication, with

1073
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: understanding who is my read on this way? Like, those

1074
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: are inexcusable errors that can't happen anymore. And it's time

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00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: that they're gonna have to say we got to put

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00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: people in there that are going to do what we

1077
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: ask of them. They may not be as talented, they

1078
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: may not be as highly drafted or highly taught up

1079
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: thought of, but they're gonna do what we ask of them.

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00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: And that's where we are right now at this point

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00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: of the season. Yeah, and I think that that's where

1082
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: people are looking for so much change. A lot of

1083
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: people want to fire everybody off, and I was saying,

1084
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's necessarily a good solution. This

1085
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: was a team that was very good a year ago,

1086
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: certainly defensively, they are not now. And I do think

1087
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: that before you get to that kind of point, you

1088
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: gotta give guys a chance that maybe aren't as highly

1089
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: thought of, but that will do their responsibilities the way

1090
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: that it is supposed to be done. Because the Browns

1091
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: are are too often not doing that. And is it

1092
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: mind boggling to you that this is basically the same

1093
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: group of guys, certainly on the back end, it's the

1094
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: same group of guys from a year ago when we

1095
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: were elite down the stretch and for and you added

1096
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: m j Emerson, who has been probably the most consistent

1097
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: best of the bunch, at least he's he's always in

1098
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: the frame. He on every completion. Yes, people have made

1099
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: some great catches against it, but he's also been right

1100
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: there and he's playing great football for the Browns. You

1101
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: added him, and we're dreadful on defense, Well, that's the

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00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: biggest head scratcher to me, easy, right, Like, this is

1103
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: the same unit on defense that was a pop five

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: defense that played excellent football down the stretch, and we

1105
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: added more talent. We added m j Emerson. He wasn't

1106
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: here last year. To your point, he's been our best

1107
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: defensive secondary player. And so it's it's very difficult to

1108
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: wrap your mind around why they are so bad right

1109
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: now and that they were very good last year. It's

1110
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: impossible to just reconcile with those things. And to your

1111
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: earlier point, like as a fan, as a human, there's

1112
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: no worse feeling than helpless. Something you really care about,

1113
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: you got no control roll over, right, And that's why fans,

1114
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: what do we have control over? We can make our

1115
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: voices heard, we can be really loud, and we can

1116
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: say fire everybody, change this, do that, like that's all

1117
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 1: you would have potential control over. But that's not that's

1118
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: not necessarily always the right answer, and a lot of

1119
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: time it's not going to make the situation better. It

1120
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: might make you feel good to say those things. It

1121
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: might make you feel good if you say fire everybody,

1122
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: replace these guys, and then they do it because hey,

1123
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: you felt like you had a little bit of a

1124
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: control over something you love so much. But that's not

1125
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: necessarily going to make it better. That doesn't solve the problem.

1126
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: And that's probably why it's so frustrating for me as

1127
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: a fan. For all of us as stands out there

1128
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: is like, we don't have control over the situation. The

1129
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: only thing we have control over won't make it better.

1130
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: And I imagine for the players in there, like it's

1131
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: just a matter of doing your job better. It's from

1132
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: the coach a standpoint, it's preparing these guys better so

1133
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: that they can have more success. Like that's the only

1134
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: thing that is going to get us out of us

1135
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: rut that we're in right now and hopefully tap into

1136
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: the potential that we know this team has. But that's

1137
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: so boring to say we need to actually get better,

1138
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: we need a coach better, Like that's so boring, But

1139
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: that's the answer. Yeah, yeah, it is. I think what

1140
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: I fear right now because I think two and four

1141
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: hits a little different than than certainly any of us

1142
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: thought we'd be at this point, especially considering who we

1143
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: played against off. But what I'm concerned about is is defensively,

1144
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: have we lost our way a little bit? And do

1145
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: we know what we're supposed to be? We knew what

1146
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: we were a year ago as the season went along.

1147
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: Now it feels like we're trying to find ourselves and

1148
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: the NFL is no place to find yourselves. So I'm

1149
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: concerned about that and off I'm also concerned about leadership. Um,

1150
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about where's the fire. I said earlier in

1151
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: the show. We miss somebody like Jarvis. You missed somebody

1152
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: who will get in people's face and hold people accountable.

1153
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: We we don't have a lot of those type of guys.

1154
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: Are best players are buying large pretty quiet dudes. Now

1155
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: you can leave being quiet, and it's important not to

1156
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: be somebody that you're not. You've talked about that a lot.

1157
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: But at the same time, who are our guys who say,

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01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: who are a braveheart? Follow me to freedom? Like? Who

1159
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: are those guys on this team? Those are concerns I have.

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01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: How do you answer those two? Those two concerns. Yeah,

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean I have the same concerns. I think this

1162
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: type of adversity creates a great opportunity for guys in

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01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: the defensive meeting room, specifically to rise up and to

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01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: become that leader, right like that unit is starved for

1165
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: a fiery, passionate leader like and and not even a

1166
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: ra ra type leader, because I think that's kind of

1167
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: funny and I think it wears them quickly. But a

1168
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: guy that's performing the way he should and that's holding

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01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: the other guys accountable in his own manner, whatever that

1170
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: looks like, whether that's calling him out a meeting, calling

1171
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: him out in practice, raising the expectations on the practice field,

1172
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: in in those situations on Sundays where things maybe are

1173
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: going a little bit sideways, and you you see that

1174
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: glassed overlook in people's eyes, like those are the golden

1175
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: opportunities for somebody to stand up and say follow me

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01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: right like you said the brave heart, um, and it'll

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01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: be interesting. And I sure hope that there's guys in

1178
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: that room on the defensive side of the football that

1179
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: are going to do that because the opportunity is there.

1180
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: The season is not lost. But I agree with you,

1181
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: like it's it's a scary moment right now because if

1182
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: we don't have that, and if we don't turn things

1183
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: around very quickly, like, it can go the other way

1184
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: very very fast, especially if you don't have those leaders

1185
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: in that room, like it can fracture your locker room.

1186
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: You can get guys that all of a sudden are

1187
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: gonna be giving the bare minimum effort and you're gonna

1188
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: see that result on Sunday. And that would be the

1189
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Speaker 1: shame of it. Yeah, it would be. Because there's still

1190
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: a lot to play for for this team despite the

1191
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Speaker 1: One word on a bunch of guys on our team

1198
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Speaker 1: in a bunch of situations. You listen to the Joe

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Speaker 1: quite like tail getting touchdowns and twisted tea. It tastes

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1206
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Speaker 1: One thought or phrase from yesterday's game. As we have

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Speaker 1: the halfback on here in the Joe Thomas Hour, let's

1208
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Speaker 1: start with Donovan People's jones and the ducktor Z. Donovan

1209
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: People's Jones. I said this on the broadcast. He catches

1210
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: everything that's us and it is often a catch that

1211
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: feels like an incredibly high degree of difficulty. I mean

1212
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: he makes more diving, fully outstretched catches, I think than anybody.

1213
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: He always catches it in a big moment when it

1214
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: is thrown to him. He's I love Donovan People's Jones.

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01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like when the ball is somewhere

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01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: where he can get his hands on it, he will

1217
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: catch it for you. Um made some I had some

1218
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: nice routes. He was one of the guys who was

1219
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: actually winning against their Mandaman coverage, which was was helpful

1220
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns. I'm a big DPJ fan. I

1221
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: will also say this, I am ready. I am ready

1222
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: to see him as our punt turner Chester Rodgers. Yes,

1223
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: a little juice, but like I trust Donom People's Jones too.

1224
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: At the very bare minimum, catch the punt. We're back

1225
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: to Jim Leonard world. Brother, He's never I just want

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Speaker 1: someone to catch the damn thing. Yep. Like, I don't care,

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Speaker 1: I don't need, I'm past it, I'm over it. Josh

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01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: Crabs ain't walking through the door, so just catch the thing. Yeah,

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01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just brutal. But so that's that's what

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01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: I have to say about that. All right. For this

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Speaker 1: one for you, Jacoby Brissette, regression the opposite of Donovan

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01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: People's Jones. My word for him would have been progression.

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01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: Because of the progress you continue to see in his

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01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: game and how he's becoming the type of receiver that

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01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: makes us contested catches that you dreamed of him being

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01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: able to be. Unfortunately for Jacoby, when you're in there

1237
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: and you have such a great run game, you can't

1238
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: make those type of turnovers because it's just killing the team,

1239
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: is it? Is it fair? Guys on Jacoby? Was he

1240
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: playing better than he's historically been everything the first five

1241
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: weeks and that's the medium between what we saw Sunday

1242
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: and what we got the first five games is historically

1243
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: what he's been. Yes, he was. He had career had

1244
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: complete percentage yards per tempt yards for game, quarterback rating,

1245
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: all of that were career highs. It's a very quarterback

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01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: from the Elephants. But I want the medium. I don't

1247
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: want the mean. Like that's the problem with him at

1248
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: quarterback is I don't want a couple of really good

1249
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: games and a couple of really bad games. Like the

1250
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: formula for winning is just steady, it's just right there

1251
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: in the middle. That's exactly what you want. You can't

1252
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: have the up and down. I mean, I know what

1253
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: you're saying is you know he was really good now

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01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: he's really bad. And so you're kind of getting an

1255
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: average quarterback when you even them all out. But we

1256
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: can't have that, we can't have those tips because that's

1257
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: not how we're built to win. You're exactly right, And

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01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: in fact, he was brought here because he's not going

1259
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: to lose you games. This is a game where you

1260
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: could say his performance again, I'm still putting all of this,

1261
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: most of this on the defense, but his performance was

1262
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: not a winning performance and it wasn't one that gave

1263
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: you really a chance to win around him had everything

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01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: else been good. Three turnovers by his own hand, that's

1265
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Speaker 1: a lot. And if you were to go back back

1266
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: now to the end of the game against the Chargers,

1267
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: that's four turnovers alone from Jacoby Brissett and basically sixty

1268
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: three minutes of football. And I think that that mentally

1269
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: affected him, The early interception mentally affected him in that

1270
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: entire game. I felt like it to me, I mean,

1271
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: we brought that up earlier. It felt like that first

1272
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: interception just rocked his world to two and very And

1273
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: of course, the you know, the salt on all of

1274
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: this wound is originally this is when Watson was coming back,

1275
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: was right now, and this would then would have been

1276
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: this game against Baltimore. It was a six game suspension,

1277
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: so he was supposed to be back this week. Instead,

1278
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: we're halfway there to him getting back, and who knows

1279
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: how relevant will be at that point. Um Joe, what

1280
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: do you make out of Nick Chubb? There's not a

1281
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities, not as best performance on the yards

1282
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: per carry basis, but we knew the Patriots were going

1283
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: to try to sell it to stop him. I thought

1284
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: that the Patriots defense of physical our offense in the

1285
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: first half in a game where if you don't turn

1286
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: the football over and it's closeness I can happen. I

1287
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: think you start wearing them out, even if you're not

1288
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: throwing the football down the field and you're not backing

1289
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: up their their safeties and getting some of those secondary

1290
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: elements out of the box. I think Nick Chubb starts

1291
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: ripping off some big runs, but he didn't have a

1292
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: whole lot of room to run, and he didn't have

1293
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: a whole lot of chances. And I think that's one

1294
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: of the things in hindsight whence the fancy goes back

1295
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: and looks at the game, Wlan, Yes, there were opportunities

1296
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: to throw the football down the field because of how

1297
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 1: much the Patriots were trying to take away that run

1298
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: and give you some of those shots down the field.

1299
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: But even still, I'd like to see more carries for

1300
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: Chubb and Hunt no matter what the situation is, because,

1301
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: like you guys talked about with j Koby, like this

1302
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: is kind of who he is on a mean basis

1303
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: over his career. He's not the Pro Bowl guy, and

1304
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: so you have to be a little bit realistic and

1305
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: you gotta keep feeding Nick Chubb no matter what the

1306
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: circumstances are. Yeah, it was just there was not a

1307
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: lot of room to run. And I think when you

1308
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: have a team that's got a guy like Devin mccordy

1309
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: on the back end of that defense, you know they

1310
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: were always in position and so and they were very

1311
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: aware of our early down play action shot plays. When

1312
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: we would run those, there are typically two guys going

1313
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: with the vertical rout and so that that means other

1314
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: things are open, and certainly that we were not able

1315
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: to capitalize on as much as we would have liked,

1316
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: But they were very cognizant of it and they were

1317
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: very sound fundamentally on the back end of that dam

1318
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: They played with those three safeties, Kyle Duggers a big

1319
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: time player, mccordy as as well, and I think as

1320
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: the game went on, he just got he started reading

1321
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: low to high sometimes as opposed to reading high to

1322
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: Lohaf exactly right. I mean they they've got a lot

1323
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: of experience in the second and they're very disciplined, and

1324
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: it becomes a situation where you've got to be just

1325
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: as discipline with what you're trying to get done with

1326
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: your technique, and then you've got to win with your

1327
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: your talent in the second half, and they weren't able

1328
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: to do it. No, they were not. We spent a

1329
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: lot of time um on the secondary issues. You guys

1330
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: want to touch on that or is there any more

1331
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: to add to that? Z I feel like we've addressed

1332
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: a lot of pretty well, yeah, pretty lost in the

1333
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: second across the board. I guess what will ask you

1334
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: on that one half? You too much time to weigh

1335
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: on that. What are you seeing in the back end?

1336
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm just seeing guys that aren't doing a very good

1337
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: job covering. Like we think that we've got these great

1338
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: coverage guys in the back end, and that's corners and

1339
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: safeties but they're consistently just getting beat and we're not

1340
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: talking about getting beat by Travis Kelsey Um or getting

1341
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: beat by Tyreek Hill, like guys that are clearly generational talents. Now,

1342
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: I know that the Patriots they have good tight ends

1343
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: and they've got some talndar receiver, but everybody has talented receiver.

1344
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: We've gotta be able to cover these guys when you're

1345
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: asking to do those things. Hunter Henry came into this

1346
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: game with nine catches for nine yards and no touchdowns

1347
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: on the season. Johnny Smith came in this game with

1348
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: seven catches for fifty eight yards and no touched unds

1349
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: on the season. It's not like they're tight ends were

1350
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: setting the world on fire. Henry Henry, to be fair,

1351
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: did have nine touchdowns a year ago, but as it

1352
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 1: was going in, they had not been a factor whatsoever.

1353
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: Both ended up over sixty yards in this game. That's right,

1354
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: And I do wonder, like we've talked a lot about

1355
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: Joe Woods and what he needs to be doing differently

1356
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: and the criticisms that he's taking, but I wonder how

1357
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: much of what he saw in practice potentially where guys

1358
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: weren't able to cover, was leading him to maybe not

1359
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: take the chances, not send the blizz is, not play

1360
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: a lot of man coverage early on in the season,

1361
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: and now he just felt pressured, like, Hey, I can't

1362
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: just sit back here in his own because first of all,

1363
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: we're not communicating well and passing things off, and also

1364
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: we're getting just gashed in the run games. So I'm

1365
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: gonna have to sell it to stop the run game,

1366
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: and it's time for these guys to put their big

1367
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: boy pants on and start covering some people in man coverage,

1368
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: and they didn't do in this game. So now he's

1369
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: probably thinking, Hey, I'm trying to both ways. I tried

1370
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: it my way what I saw, and then now I've

1371
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: tried it your way based on what everyone was asking for,

1372
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: and either one is working. What do you want me

1373
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: to do? Yeah, it's absolutely wild. Well we'll finish this

1374
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: with this one, Bailey Zappy. What is it that Belichick

1375
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: does with these with rookie quarterbacks or down in his

1376
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: depth chart? Historically you can think you go all the

1377
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: way back, um Matt Castle years ago, our own Jacoby

1378
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: Bursette was there, Garoppolo was there. It feels like when

1379
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: he needs a win, he can get one. Uh it.

1380
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: Bailey's happy looked really good yesterday. He's won their last

1381
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: four now games with a quarterback making his first road start.

1382
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, Jimmy g Matt Castle, Bailey zappy. The last

1383
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: time he lost had a quarterback loses first road started

1384
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: was Tom Brady in the early two thousands. So, yeah,

1385
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: there is something about what they're able to do. They

1386
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: come up with a plan that takes away your strengths,

1387
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: tries to force you into your weaknesses, and they do

1388
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,879
Speaker 1: the same. They try to minimize their weaknesses, accentuate their strengths,

1389
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: and they're just sound. We said it. They're not going

1390
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: to beat themselves. And the irony was half. It felt

1391
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: like early on they were trying to to help beat themselves.

1392
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: I think they had seven penalties in the first half.

1393
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: They were going negative backwards quite a bit. I'm looking

1394
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: right now. Yes, they had eight penalties for fifty six

1395
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: yards in the first half of the Patriots. They were,

1396
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, I know their own dreads, and they'd still

1397
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: get first downs. It's like third and four, No, now

1398
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: it's third nine, first down. Anyway, it doesn't really, man,

1399
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: but they're a team that you've got to beat and

1400
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: and not only did we beat ourselves, they beat us two,

1401
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: and that adds up to an ugly performance for this

1402
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: Brown's team. It's a long season, you're gonna have some

1403
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: of these. And this would have been fine. We said,

1404
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: you know what, bad week, just like it was when

1405
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: we went to doing it last year. So for whatever reason,

1406
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: they've got us. But if we came in this game

1407
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: at four and one and now we're four and two,

1408
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this was our first dud. But because

1409
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: we lost games that we should have won of our

1410
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,560
Speaker 1: own doing, there's no margin for error. And now you

1411
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: put yourself in a situation where you've got to beat

1412
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: Baltimore probably and Cincinnati both to get into this thing,

1413
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: because losing to one probably puts you two games behind

1414
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: that team. And it stinks. It does it very much?

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1422
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Speaker 1: week in the NFL. Four of the biggest underdogs or

1423
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: favorites lost. The favorites lost the underdogs one in those,

1424
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: including one in Joe's home state in Green Bay. Pretty

1425
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: stupefying performance there, although that one you probably should have

1426
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: stucked coming. There's another one yesterday that nobody saw coming.

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Speaker 1: dot com. So the Steelers beat the Bucks off, I'm

1437
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: sure we all saw that happening. The Bucks were eight

1438
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: point favorites in that game. M yeah, I guess Brady

1439
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: should not have been gallivanting around the country. Going to weddings,

1440
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe he would have had a better

1441
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: opportunity at beating the Steelers, especially in the game when

1442
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,839
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett gets injured. I mean, that was interesting twist

1443
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: to beating the Buccaneers as all of a sudden, Kenny

1444
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: Pickett goes out, Um, Mitchell Drabsky comes in and plays

1445
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 1: well and get them the victory. So I give Mike

1446
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: tom On a lot of credit. Mean, he's one of

1447
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: the best coaches in the NFL, and he's been that

1448
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: way for a long time. But to be able to

1449
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: rally the troops when things were sliding pretty heavily against him,

1450
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: um is good for them, bad for the Browns obviously,

1451
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely one of those games where you didn't

1452
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: see that coming at all. Zee. We both saw the

1453
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: Giants would give the Ravens a full day they did,

1454
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: no surprise there. The Bengals were up against it in

1455
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: New Orleans and Joe Burrow hitting Jamaar Chase on a

1456
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: sixty yard or right when they needed at the most.

1457
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: Those two were both amazing in the game. Burrow at

1458
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: three hundred yards three touchdowns, another on the ground Chase. Finally,

1459
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: they unlocked him's I think it was like seven catches

1460
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: one thirty two and a couple of scores. Big game

1461
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: out of him too, So they both them and the

1462
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: Ravens atop the division at three and three. Yeah, a

1463
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: big comeback there, and you know they were down at

1464
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: one point three to fourteen and the third quarter and

1465
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: even when they answered the Saints sixtent a one, they

1466
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: got four and then Chase with the big walk up

1467
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: their sixty yard or inside of the two minute warning,

1468
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: big win for them. The Ravens have blown three pretty

1469
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: sizeable leads. And I was just looking through some of

1470
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: the stats because that's what we play next. We're starting

1471
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: to get ready already for that game. Onto the Ravens

1472
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: as it were. Um, they have had Lamar Jackson. It's

1473
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: amazing his quarterback rating by quarter this year first quarter,

1474
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: second quarter one fift third quarter a hundred, fourth quarter

1475
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: fifty six, one touchdown, four picks in the fourth quarter

1476
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: this season, and part of it is he's starting to

1477
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 1: struggle against the Blitz. First three weeks against the Blitz

1478
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: this year completions twelve yards per tempt, six touchdowns, no picks.

1479
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: Last three weeks against the Blitz four point eight yards

1480
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: per tempt two picks. So he's not playing at the

1481
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: level he was earlier. Their defense is banged up and

1482
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: they've let people come back and beat them three times now.

1483
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: Yeah it's and they're still ahead of us. Yeah they are. Yeah,

1484
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: so you and you get a full dose from this

1485
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: next you know, next time out, full dose of this

1486
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: of this Ravens team around the league. I mentioned, um,

1487
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: the the Butts were eight point favorites lost to Pittsburgh.

1488
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,759
Speaker 1: That one I did not see coming. The Lambeau issues

1489
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: are real, though, off as we had to years. This

1490
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: is three straight weeks where they haven't covered. This time

1491
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: they get dominated at home by a Jets team that's

1492
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: more than a little frisky. They got a lot of talent.

1493
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 1: They're really good in the middle of their defense. But

1494
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: it's it's one thing for Aaron Rochters to say relaxed Joe,

1495
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: but this is twenty seven to ten to the Jets.

1496
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: They couldn't get anything going to the Giants. Correct after

1497
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: losing the Giants in London. This is this is a

1498
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: huge win, huge game that the Packers needed and they

1499
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: didn't show up at all. What what did you make of? What?

1500
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: What happened to the Packers. Aaron Rodgers has always been

1501
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: very las fair and relax, no big deal, will get

1502
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 1: it figured out. And you know, I think to some

1503
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: extent that's good. You don't want to overly emotional as

1504
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: a head coach or as a quarterback. But I think

1505
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 1: one of the problems is is one that's your personality,

1506
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: like all the other guys on the teams sometimes gravitate

1507
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: towards that personality. Which that's really good if that's what's

1508
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: happening on defense, or that's what's happening with your receiver room,

1509
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: or maybe your defensive line or your offensive line, like

1510
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: pretty much every other position on the field, you've gotta

1511
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: have a little bit of an angry streak to you.

1512
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:25,839
Speaker 1: We've got to be able to play with some passion.

1513
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: And I think you saw contrast and styles, right. You

1514
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: have Robert Salace team which plays with maybe too much

1515
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: passion at times because he's got that defensive mind. He's

1516
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:42,919
Speaker 1: always preaching aggressiveness, he's preaching effort running to the football

1517
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: like he's almost like a younger Pete Carroll on the

1518
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: sideline with the amount of energy that he has. And

1519
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: then you contrast that with sort of the Packer style.

1520
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: And I think even though maybe the player and the

1521
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: talent gap is probably not there, I think they're probably

1522
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: pretty equal. Obviously, the quarterbacks the one big you that's

1523
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: way in the Packers favor. But when you go out

1524
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: and you play with passion across the board and you

1525
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: have that focus and that intensity that the Jets played with,

1526
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: you see it results in a lopsided game that maybe

1527
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't expect. And then all of

1528
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: a sudden, there's some apathy within the Packers organization. Within

1529
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: the Packers locker room. They're believing that they don't have

1530
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: the weapons on offense to be able to compete, you know,

1531
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: because it seems like that's all you hear and Roger

1532
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,799
Speaker 1: just talking about as though we don't have the receivers.

1533
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: You know that these receivers are young. It's gonna take

1534
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: them time pretty soon. That's what the team believes. And

1535
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: then you're not gonna get the same that's what out

1536
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: of that team when your quarterbacks kind of relaxed, kind

1537
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: of laid back, not really uh, playing with a lot

1538
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: of emotion or intensity, and he's telling you that you're

1539
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: not good enough to win even if you didn't play

1540
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: with that intensity. So I think they've got a lot

1541
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: of problems that I'm not sure there's anybody walking through

1542
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: that door that's going to really help them. I think

1543
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: it's time to investigate hyahuasca and Aaron Rod He's he's

1544
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: qbr like that messes that does something to you. I

1545
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with it, right Like, I mean,

1546
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't think I would be thrilled if my Yeah

1547
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: franchise player was doing drugs that are insanely mind altering

1548
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Probably not crazy about it, but he's probably

1549
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't even know who he answers to.

1550
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: There nobody, there's no ownership, so I don't know who

1551
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: the who's his boss? Joe with the Packers, does he

1552
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: have a boss? Uh? Not really, I mean I was

1553
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: gonna say the fans, but even Big fire him. I mean,

1554
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: they don't really have any over what happened. I mean,

1555
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: I think for a while it was probably Ted Thompson,

1556
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: but obviously he's rest his soul, he's not with us anymore,

1557
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: and um they're GM Brian Goodaquins. I think he got

1558
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: neutered a little bit because of things that had happened

1559
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: the previous couple of seasons after he drafted Jordan's Love

1560
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers made it displeasure, don't um. But it

1561
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: seems like when when you don't have that firm handed coach,

1562
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: because Matt Lafour is not that guy. He's more of

1563
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: like a cerebral type head coach, and you don't really

1564
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: have anybody else that's obvious in that building, in that

1565
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: locker room that has sort of carries that role. You

1566
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: just kind of get away with whatever he wants. And

1567
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is all his fault, but he's

1568
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: certainly not playing well. And so no matter what you've

1569
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: done in the past, if you're not getting it done

1570
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: right now, you deserve to be criticized. Fellas. The Vikings

1571
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: an incredible stat. I'm not sure if this is Gibby,

1572
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: is this your stick? It's unbelievable stat. Vikings five and

1573
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: one the only team above five hundred out of the

1574
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: remaining of the twelve teams in the NFC North, the

1575
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: NFC South, and the NFC West, only the Vikings are

1576
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: above five hundred. How in the hell does that make

1577
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: any damn sense? And we just kept saying the East

1578
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: was the weakest, and they've got the Eagles undefeated. The

1579
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been good, they've state above, and the Giants

1580
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: have one loss. The Giants are five and one. Unreal.

1581
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: The Vikings we both we'd like them to make We did, Yeah,

1582
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: we did, we did, but I didn't. It's more of

1583
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: a commentary on the rest of the West. Stupefying lost

1584
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: by the Niners. Buccaneers Mariota went thirteen of fourteen and

1585
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 1: they won by two scores over the Niners. Oh Garoppolo

1586
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: had two picks. Do you have a Do you have

1587
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: a text from Pedro? Yeah? And I quote on CBD

1588
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: last week you mentioned I thought the Niners were totally

1589
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: because of defensive injuries in the old line. You scoffed

1590
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: at me. Today you should mention as you that as

1591
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: usual not Pedro was correct, just saying he refers to

1592
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 1: himself as third person. Is he ignoring the trial of Pedro?

1593
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: He is all he's listening. He's at least he was

1594
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: on trial and he was found to be Pedro, and

1595
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: he was found to be Pedro. That was a fun one.

1596
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: His birthday, by the way, Oh, happy early birthday, Pedro.

1597
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: Uh half, that was a fun one. In the afternoon

1598
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: with with Alan and Mahomes. The Chiefs were decimated defensively,

1599
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: and it's it's write down in it. I heard a

1600
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: lot of people going, oh, they've got their revenge, guys.

1601
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: The Bills won last year in the regular season too,

1602
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: Like I think, what for Alan and the Bills to

1603
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: really get over the hump, they have to win. They

1604
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: have to beat the Chefs in the playoffs, right, there's

1605
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: no doubt. But I think the people that win is

1606
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: all NFL fans, anybody that likes watching compelling football, compelling television.

1607
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: That's what Kansas City Buffalo was. It's just so fun

1608
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: seeing those guys go back and forth and watching the

1609
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 1: different offensive minds and the Chefs moves that are being

1610
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: made on that board. And I think it's great, you know,

1611
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: winning in the regular season, but really, you're gonna throw

1612
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: that all out the window. And I don't even really

1613
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: see a whole lot of home field advantage between these

1614
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: two teams. They're just so well coached, they're so well

1615
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: dialed in, but I'm not sure it really matters like

1616
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: who has home field advantage during the playoffs. And this

1617
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 1: this rivalry gets me excited because it kind of reminds

1618
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: me of when I first got in the NFL, and

1619
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: it was it was Manning and Tom Brady and the

1620
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 1: Patriots and the Colts. You knew there's gonna be one

1621
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: matchup during the season because they always finished first in

1622
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: their division, and then you knew you're gonna see him again,

1623
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: uh playing against each other in the playoffs, and it

1624
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 1: was gonna be musty TV. Is gonna be the best

1625
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: matchup of the year because right now, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes,

1626
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 1: they're doing stuff that just wows you on every play

1627
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: and you kind of run out of words superlatives to

1628
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: communicate what you're watching when you're seeing those guys. There

1629
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: was a point in the game Mahomes through a touchdown

1630
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: pass where they looked like he reared back like he's

1631
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: gonna throw a normal path, and all of a sudden,

1632
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: he comes with this like submarine like a like a

1633
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: submarine pitcher in baseball, and just fires it in there

1634
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: between a couple of defenders. The ball comes out so

1635
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: low that none of the defenders on the deal line

1636
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: even had a chance to knock it down. It's just

1637
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: amazing how quickly he can use that noodle of an

1638
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: arm and change the arm angle to deliver the football

1639
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: exactly where he wants to, just at will, no matter

1640
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 1: where it's feed are, And I think it's it's just

1641
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: on as a fan of football, just to be able

1642
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: to sit there and on watch these two guys go

1643
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: at it. And they're so different. Oh yeah, which adds

1644
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: to it. They both can make any throw, they're both stupendous.

1645
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: But then Alan could run you over. Homes will run

1646
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 1: around you and get around and then whip some crazy

1647
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: when off, and he can pick up twenty yards if

1648
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: you have him playing room. But Alan leap frogging guys

1649
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: and then trucking them. Is he's crazy? Yeah, it is.

1650
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: I was actually shocked when Mahomes threw the pick at

1651
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: the end, so I thought, well, he's gonna get him

1652
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: down for sure, and he just kind of got lazy

1653
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: on that one. Didn't see him through the pick at

1654
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: the end. Um, crazy crazy weekend in the NFL. Great

1655
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 1: talking you half as always, guys, Thanks for having me on.

1656
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: Hopefully next week under a little better circumstances. We need

1657
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: it off how to have it? That's right? Great Joe

1658
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 1: Thomas joining us there on the program. You listen to

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Speaker 1: The United Foosball kids. The Broncos continuing to get the

1666
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,560
Speaker 1: national love. They love them, Oh yeah, they do. The

1667
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: Broncos visiting Lawson Ellis, The Chargers, Broncos a f C West.

1668
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: I've gotten Monday Night wrong every week. It's true. I've

1669
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 1: never haven't got it right once all week long. Ege.

1670
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it feels like it anyway week interceptions

1671
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: do they get one? Wait? Wrong? It's been a lot

1672
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 1: of wrong. I know that, more wrong than right. Nine

1673
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: ers all right, two and three, two and three going

1674
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: in the week. Bleak. So I suppose this, This is

1675
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: why I can't choose the wine in front of you,

1676
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 1: because blah blah blah. The churches are better. The Broncos suck.

1677
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Chargers to cover the four and a half.

1678
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, not our only different. Oh no, nobody's hearing us.

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