1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Cup of Joe Podcast with LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox, and 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: myself Brady Quinn. Make sure you catch us live weekdays 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: six to nine am Eastern or three am to six 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. You can find your 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: local station for the Two Pros and a Cup of 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Joe Show over at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Let's give this. 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: Oh what is going on? Happy Black Friday to you? 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: Got Jason Martin, Brian though with you hanging out feeling 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: festive here Thanksgiving? Just in the rearview mirror. But we 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: are looking forward to Black Friday today, a lot of 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: really good college games. We'll preview the uh we got 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: three ranked versus ranked games today. 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 4: That's really good. 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: Hey, you got a little little Bears, little fugazy Bears 19 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: against the Eagles today, So looking forward to that should 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 3: be good. 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 4: Hey do you want undisturbed sleep? 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I mean the big boy is Texas 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 3: A and M at Texas. That is a great, great 33 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 3: matchup night Cap seven thirty pm Eastern time, be on 34 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: oh ABC. I just I wish Keith Jackson were on 35 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: the call for this one. You know, Texas A and 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: M eleven and zero. I'll stop the impression right there. 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 5: Whoa Nelly, Nelly? 38 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 4: Yes? 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: And man A and M. What a season for them? 40 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 3: Where you beat Notre Dame, you're unscathed, you survive at 41 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: home against South Carolina. Marcel Reid was hideous in the 42 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: first half and unbelievable in the second half against South Carolina. 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 3: And they're able to come back from the dead where 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: they're trailing thirty one to three I think at halftime, 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: and they're able to win that game. And if they're 46 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: able to beat Texas They're a twelve to zero team, 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: got a first round by you know, amazing season for them. 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 3: And this Texas defense has been weird. 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 5: Right. 50 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: We'd spend a lot of our time talking about Arch 51 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: Manning and the shortcomings of his or the offense. But 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: you look at this Texas defense and they've got NFL dudes, 53 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: They've got Sunday guys as you would say Je Martin, 54 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 3: and they've been bad lately. They're giving up thirty points 55 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: in each of their last four games. They're far too 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: talented to do something like that. 57 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they've been bad in most of the year. Actually, 58 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 6: Like if you look at what they were statistically a 59 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 6: season ago compared to kind of what they have become 60 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 6: since that, yeah, they are not what. 61 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 5: You would expect. 62 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 6: I was looking at their pass defense and sec play. 63 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 6: I saw this stat a couple of weeks ago. Through 64 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 6: eight games in twenty twenty four, Texas pass defense was 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 6: given up a fifty seven point eight percent completion rate, 66 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 6: one hundred and fifty seven passing yards a game and 67 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 6: three touchdowns. That was total in those eight games. Twenty 68 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 6: twenty five, in just five games, they had given up 69 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 6: a sixty eight percent completion rate three hundred and two 70 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 6: yards a game and ten touchdowns, So just a completely 71 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 6: different animal there. It's very easy to pick on Arch, 72 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 6: and certainly there are things to pick on there, but 73 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 6: it ain't all him, and even days where he has 74 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 6: shown up, the defense hasn't necessarily been there for them. 75 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 6: I will say this, though, my eye is on this 76 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 6: game because I absolutely think. 77 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 5: A and M better be careful here. 78 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, because there is a lot of Sunday talent on 79 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 6: that Texas roster and there's a lot of pride there 80 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 6: and I know that this season has not been what 81 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 6: they think that is going to be. But I don't 82 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 6: think they'd have any problems spoiling Texas A and M 83 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 6: right here in an in state rivalry scenario and at 84 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 6: least trying. 85 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 5: To impress people on the way out right. 86 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that's the thing too with Arch. 87 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: It's weird to me where you look at that Sark 88 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: offense and it's such a like careful offense. They throw 89 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: the ball short so often, you know what I mean, 90 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: They get the ball, They've done that for a while now. 91 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: They throw short, they get the ball in their playmakers' hands, 92 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: and they let them create their problems after the catch. 93 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: But that's what's weird for Arch is I've been the 94 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: guy that says, hey, let's slow it down right here, 95 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: like we don't going to we aren't gonna have microwavable 96 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: results with our quarterbacks all the time. You know, I 97 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: know everybody wants Arch manning. I all this Heisman hype. 98 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: We want him to be a finished product right away, 99 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: and it's gonna take a little bit of time, like 100 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: you got to have a little bit of patience. But 101 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: at the same time, the flip side to that is 102 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 3: it's not like he's running this incredibly sophisticated, like high 103 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: tech advanced offense. A lot of it is just throw 104 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 3: it short, get in the hands of the playmaker, let 105 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: him be a problem after the catch. And so that's 106 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: where when Arch is struggling at times this season. It's 107 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: such a like quarterback friendly offense that Sark has. That's 108 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 3: where I kind of say, all right, I'm not gonna 109 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: be as loud backing Arch, right, it's gonna take some time, yes, 110 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: but I can't be too loud. 111 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: Like back off, like give it some time. 112 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: Like he's got talent, goodness settled down over here, because 113 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: he's running just a very basic offense and far too 114 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: many times he's not doing a good job of that. 115 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I'm with you. 116 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 6: I think that I think it became very trendy to 117 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 6: go after Arch because he was a very big target 118 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 6: and it didn't go particularly well out of the gate, 119 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 6: and so all of anybody that had any hate in 120 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 6: them for that scenario was going to find something there. 121 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 6: I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I 122 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 6: don't know that his ceiling is anywhere near as high 123 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 6: as people thought. It was just based on the hype 124 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 6: because almost nobody had seen him play. We were just 125 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 6: told what he was supposed to be. But I think 126 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 6: your point is right in that there's a lot of 127 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 6: quarterbacks that could run that Texas offense and look pretty good. 128 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 6: But I think the most telling thing that we have 129 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 6: seen this year is the amount of times I have 130 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 6: seen like Texas fans in comment sections and things like that, 131 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 6: they're just like Quinn Man, We're sorry like talking about 132 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 6: quinn Ewers. Okay, because last year it was all about 133 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 6: play Arch. If you want to win a championship, we 134 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 6: already know what quinn Ewers is. As if Steve Sarkisian 135 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 6: was just gonna not play Arch if it gave him 136 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 6: the best chance to win, right, Like, we go back 137 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 6: and look at that, now, that was a dumb thing. 138 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 6: That was a preposterous thing for people to think at 139 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 6: the time. Very obviously Arch was not ready yet, and 140 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 6: we have seen that at least half the time this season. 141 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 3: I'm glad you made that point because we talked about 142 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: what we were wrong about yesterday. Let's just focus on 143 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: what we've been right about today, you know what I mean, 144 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: Like we both nailed that one because it was just like, guys, 145 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: you can't make it seem like it's so easy where 146 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: you just throw in Arch with hardly any experience and boom, 147 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: you're champions. You know, like the idea of that happening 148 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: just doesn't make sense. 149 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 4: And you're right. 150 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: If you look at how Arch is playing right now, 151 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: it shows you that wouldn't have happened last season and 152 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: that was everywhere, right. 153 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 4: J Mart, you heard that all the time, just throwing Arch. 154 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 4: You're gonna improve. 155 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: Like, I get that you're not sold on Quinn, youwers 156 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: that's fine, but it's like it's the way that the 157 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: backup quarterback becomes the most popular guy on the team. 158 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: And we make it sound like he can just step 159 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: in and man, you're cooking with gas, you're cooking with grease. 160 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 4: At that point, it's like, yeah, I don't think that 161 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 4: would have happened, man, And this season proves that you're 162 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 4: totally right about that. 163 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just and then I look at it and say, 164 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 5: all right, let's say if Quinn. 165 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 6: Ewers have come back to school and he was the 166 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 6: quarterback in Texas this year, what would their record be? 167 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 6: I would be hard pressed to say that it would 168 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 6: be that much better, not because yours is not much 169 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 6: better than Arch, but because what you let off with 170 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 6: is the truth. If Texas's defense was going to be 171 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 6: this this year, then. 172 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 5: Everybody had them over hyped, right, Like, Yeah, that. 173 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 6: Team was going to be dependent upon its defense as 174 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 6: much as anything else, just like virtually anybody else in 175 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 6: this country. But they just haven't been up to the 176 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 6: task enough. They've been up to the task a couple 177 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 6: of times this year, and that's pretty much about it. 178 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 6: So I look at that and it's just maybe they'd 179 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 6: won one more game, But I don't think Arch was 180 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 6: out here losing them games. He's just not good enough 181 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 6: right now or seasoned enough. In any way to win 182 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 6: them games by himself, Like he's got to have everybody 183 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 6: else around him. And that's just it's just kind of 184 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 6: been a failure to launch this year for Texas. 185 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hey, man, it happens, right. We see it 186 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: in the NFL too. There are teams with high expectations 187 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: and they drop a game or two or three, and 188 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 3: it just snowballs. Like the Chiefs are far more talented 189 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: than what their record is, you know, and these teams 190 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: just start pressing and they just get in their own 191 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: way even more. I think to some degree that's true 192 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: with Texas. Texas is far too talented to lose some 193 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 3: of the games that they've lost, right and for Arch 194 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: to look at the way that he has at times. 195 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: I do also wonder with Arch, and this is something 196 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: that's always glossed over, is how healthy. 197 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 4: Has this guy been throughout the season. 198 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 3: Now, I don't want to absolve all blame, because you 199 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: remember the first game of the year at Ohio State. 200 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 3: It's like his first throw, he was like the ball 201 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: was skipping across the turf, like he was skipping a 202 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: rock on the lake, you know what I mean. Like 203 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: he's not hurt then so it's not like injury has 204 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: been the biggest factor all season long. I don't want 205 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: to make it sound like that, but you remember the 206 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: sound of a reporter asking about Arch being hurt and 207 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 3: Sark was like, Arch told you that, and he's like, no, 208 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: we just saw him wincing, like he's stepping on hot coals, 209 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: you know, like he's like ah, and Sark was like, well, 210 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 3: I don't see your faces when you're using the bathroom. 211 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: You know, maybe there's nothing to all that. 212 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 3: I think Arch has been banged up throughout a good 213 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: portion of the season and that has impacted some of 214 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: his consistency. 215 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: I think that's fair. 216 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: And that's one thing that we often gloss over is 217 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: the possibility of, hey man, this guy might not be 218 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: completely healthy, and that has something to. 219 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 5: Do with it. 220 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: I know, it's like kid gloves one oh one. And 221 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: I don't mean to make it sound like, hey, back 222 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: off Arch. He's hurt, it's not his fault. He's amazing, 223 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: he can do no wrong. I'm not saying that. I'm 224 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: just saying it's one of the factors that I think 225 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: is often glossed over. 226 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, I mean, he needed help. He was 227 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 6: not going to be Superman, and he's proven that. Yeah, 228 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 6: there's a lot of work that needs to be done. 229 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 6: He's still a young guy now, he's sat for a 230 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 6: couple of years. But there's a reason why he said, 231 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 6: and I do think there's there's some accuracy concerns there. 232 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 6: He does sail some balls way more often than I 233 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 6: want to see. I do not want to pile on him, 234 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 6: and I don't want to overpraise him either. I think 235 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 6: he's right now, he's not doing anything particularly stand out. 236 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 6: I want to give it a little bit more time, 237 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 6: just like I hope we would do for anybody in 238 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 6: this situation. The problem is, because of his last name, 239 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 6: some are immediately going to give him no benefit of 240 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 6: the doubt, and some are going to give him every 241 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 6: benefit of the doubt. The Texas A and M team 242 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 6: has been great all year long. But if Arch goes 243 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 6: out there and stinks it up tonight, Arch is gonna 244 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 6: be the one that gets mauled. Like that's just kind 245 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 6: of the way that it goes for quarterbacks, but especially 246 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 6: if your last name is Manning. But there's I don't know, 247 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 6: there's this a nagging thing in me that tells me 248 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 6: Texas is gonna beat them tonight in that game. There's 249 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 6: gonna be some kind of chaos this weekend. Right, It's 250 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 6: not just gonna be where Lane Kiffin decides he wants 251 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 6: to coach. 252 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 5: It's gonna be there. There's gonna be some shake up here. 253 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 6: I don't really see Georgia Tech giving Georgia much of 254 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 6: a fight today. I feel like the Georgia Tech thing 255 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 6: is kind of they've hit their wall and they've had 256 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 6: a really nice year, but I don't think they're ready 257 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 6: for this task. But I I think Texas is gonna 258 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 6: give Texas A and M a heck. 259 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 5: Of a fight. 260 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm with you on Georgia. It's weird because 261 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: Georgia is a team, like Herbie Smart said, we're hard 262 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: to kill, but it's a. 263 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 4: Team that they're hard. 264 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: It's hard for them to get off good starts and 265 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 3: just create separation and just cruise to wins, you know 266 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: what I mean. Like they're just not really built like that. 267 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 3: So it's an interesting matchup against Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech's 268 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 3: defense is a smoldering mess. They are brutal man So 269 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 3: I think george Is just gonna run the ball down 270 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 3: their throats, But uh, yeah, I just Georgia just gets 271 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: off to these weird starts and Haines King has been tremendous, 272 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: so hey, maybe Tech gives them a game. Maybe they 273 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: have a lead early on and the Dogs have to 274 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: fight back and have their fourth quarter magic. 275 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 4: Again. 276 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: I could see it maybe playing out like that. But 277 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 3: I just can't trust Georgia Tech whatsoever. 278 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 2: Man. 279 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: That has been the team where the committee is like 280 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 3: two thumbs down, no thanks, don't buy them. Yeah, they've 281 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 3: dropped two of three and the committee is like, see, 282 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 3: we told you, we knew it was gonna come to this. 283 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, now I'm with you. I think that. I mean, 284 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 5: I think they've been a fun story. 285 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 6: I think Brent Prices done a great job there, and 286 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 6: Haines King has been fun and I think he'll probably 287 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 6: attempt to be fun in this game today. I hope 288 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 6: he's healthy at the end of it because they're gonna 289 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 6: have to rely a lot on him. 290 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 5: But yeah, the defense is. 291 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 6: Not not ready for prime time in any way, shape 292 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 6: or form. 293 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't I don't like their chances. 294 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 6: And then in the early game again, I think the 295 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 6: question there is is that game played and finished before 296 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 6: we find out Lang Kivin's future, and then I also 297 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 6: would like to know whether or not the old Miss 298 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 6: players know what's happening and what their thought is, because 299 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 6: as much as this was supposed to just be about 300 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 6: the game and we're going to remove distractions and talk 301 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 6: about this a day after and all this, it has 302 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 6: to be the only thing they're thinking about, right, like 303 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 6: it it's everything to them because they're having a historic 304 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 6: year and potentially it's all going to go up and 305 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 6: smoke with an interim coach and being dropped in the standings, 306 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 6: and like it's just it's so such a disaster class 307 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 6: in terms of there's no way to win if you're 308 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 6: laying and you want to leave you Because I don't 309 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 6: think there's any part of him that doesn't love where 310 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 6: he is, but that doesn't mean that he that he's 311 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 6: not the basically the meme of with the girlfriend and 312 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 6: then looking over his shoulder at the other girl right 313 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 6: like he's he's just he wanted LSU four years ago, 314 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 6: like he almost campaigned for he wanted it at that 315 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 6: point in time, and now it's sitting there open and 316 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 6: what they're seemingly going to offer him from a monetary 317 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 6: standpoint and all this, I don't know if he can 318 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 6: do it. But at the same time, I feel like 319 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 6: he knows he's going to break ole Miss's heart and 320 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 6: he doesn't want to do that either, But I don't 321 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 6: know what choice he's got. 322 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it's a it's a wild scenario. I just 323 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: think there's not much. There's not much more dropping for 324 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: Old Miss that they can do, you know what I mean? 325 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: If they win much, he's totally artificial. 326 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: Right, if they win today against Mississius State, like they're 327 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: they're the number seven team and they're ten and one. 328 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: Everybody below them has at least two losses, Like, how 329 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: does Oklahoma with two losses leapfrog them? How does Notre 330 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 3: Dame with two losses leapfrog Ole Miss? They're a one 331 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: loss SEC team, you know. 332 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 4: What I mean? 333 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: Like, are we really dropping them against teams that have 334 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: lost more games because Lane wouldn't be there to coach them. 335 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: I just think that goes too far. I'm really curious 336 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: to see if Ole Miss wins, which I think they will, 337 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: if Lane leaves, which I think he will, where they 338 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: end up ranked, right, and think about that, Jay Martin, 339 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: If they drop from seven to nine. You go from 340 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: having a home game to being on the road. That's 341 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: a big deal for them. 342 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, it really is. 343 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 6: And it's and that stinks too, because I mean that's 344 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 6: an environment they've earned. 345 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 4: I know it. 346 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 5: They've earned it. 347 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 6: Then the fans have earned a shot to watch that 348 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 6: game like that. But I mean that team has performed 349 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 6: in a way where they should be able to play 350 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 6: in front of their home fans. I almost think I 351 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 6: don't care if he leaves or not, they still should 352 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 6: have that opportunity because I mean, it's not their fault 353 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 6: that he makes a decision. If indeed that's the way 354 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 6: that this goes, and I look at it, it's just like, dude, 355 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 6: Old Miss is better than Oklahoma. 356 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 5: In my opinion, Oklahoma is a. 357 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 6: Team I really don't even want to see in a 358 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 6: college football playoff because their offense can be just flat out. 359 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 5: Bowling shoe ugly. 360 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, their defense is pretty solid, but man, like that 361 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 6: offense is a struggle bus. 362 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 5: On a regular basis. 363 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 6: I'm not really excited about the prospects of some thrilling, 364 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 6: you know, down to the wire great football game with 365 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 6: them in the college football playoff. 366 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 367 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 3: No, interesting, there's more college stuff to talk about. I'll 368 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: tell you what we'll do. A college slash NFL hybrid 369 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 3: coming up next. Okay, I think there are there's an 370 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 3: example in each There are like these common statements being made, 371 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: and I think they're freaking crazy. All right, all compared notes, 372 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 3: We'll see if you think the same thing. 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So if you 412 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: think about the last four years Ohio State against Michigan, 413 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: oh to four, Ohio State against everybody else not named Michigan, 414 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 3: fifty eight and four. How crazy is that? But man, 415 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 3: Michigan has had their number. I think it is crazy. 416 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: You still hear it today where some of these Ohio 417 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 3: State fans are like, if he can't beat Michigan, Ryan 418 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 3: Day should be gone right like or even crazier than 419 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 3: that is, there are some Ohio State fans that will 420 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 3: look you in the eye, be dead serious and be like, oh, 421 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: I'd rather beat Michigan than win a national championship. That 422 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: is peak insanity to me. J Martin, do you feel 423 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 3: the same way about that? 424 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 6: I mean, I think that I can understand the sentiment 425 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 6: of just that rivalry beating so very very much. But no, 426 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 6: I mean, you're playing to win a championship. You shouldn't 427 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 6: be playing to beat your rival like that needs to 428 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 6: be your secondary goal. And I can understand it being 429 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 6: a very important goal, But what are we doing here? 430 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 6: Like you're playing to win a championship. As it relates 431 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 6: to Ryan Day, I was on that train, not just 432 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 6: on the Michigan side, but just on that. I don't 433 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 6: know about him unless they unless they overcome this, and 434 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 6: then they did and they won the championship. 435 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 5: So I'm not having that discussion anymore. 436 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 6: Like they lose to Michigan, it's just gonna be like, yeah, 437 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 6: it's just a big tom boogie man for Ryan Day. 438 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 6: But there's no reason to think even if they were 439 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 6: to somehow lose to Michigan that they still wouldn't win 440 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 6: the championship. So I mean, it's about their talent, it's 441 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 6: about the players that they've had, it's about the staff 442 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 6: and everything else. Do I think Ryan Day's the best 443 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 6: coach in the country. No, not by any stretch of 444 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 6: the imagination. I don't think he's aggressive enough. I think 445 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 6: at times he can overthink. I would favor several guys 446 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 6: as a matter of fact over him, But he's in 447 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 6: a position where he can still win you a championship 448 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 6: year in and year out because of the way college 449 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 6: football is set up. So I'm not really hedging here. 450 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 6: I'm just kind of I can understand why beating Michigan 451 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 6: means so much because they've lorded it over you. They're 452 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 6: fan base. There's like it's been X amount of days 453 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 6: since Ohio State's beating Michigan. You see it at all 454 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 6: various events and all sorts of stuff. They'll hold up signs, 455 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 6: even at I think at the political conventions last fall 456 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 6: they were holding up those signs and some of that stuff. 457 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 6: So that's probably irritating, But look, they both won championships, 458 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 6: and ultimately, if you end up with a natty at 459 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 6: the end of it, I think you can probably look 460 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 6: back and say, ah, you know, wish we had beaten 461 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 6: Michigan on top of it. That would have been the 462 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 6: perfect season. But I mean, I'm still buying merch because 463 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 6: my team just won a title. 464 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: Right, That's the thing I get it. I get that 465 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 3: it is a bitter, hated rivalry. I totally understand than 466 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: that you want to beat Michigan if you're Ohio State 467 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 3: and vice versa if you're Michigan, you want to beat 468 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 3: you know, you want to beat your rival, like, but 469 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: to not trade a national championship like you lose to Michigan, 470 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 3: You're not going to trade that for a title. Really, 471 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 3: it's not a trade you're willing to make. It's like, now, 472 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 3: just give me the win against Michigan. That's freaking insane. 473 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: That makes zero sense. 474 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 4: And there are people that feel that way. I don't. 475 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 3: I don't think that begins to make any sense where Man, 476 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 3: I just I It's like. 477 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 6: Would then just say, Brian, But you just don't understand. 478 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 5: I don't. 479 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 4: You're not not making a shred of sense right now? 480 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 4: You know that? 481 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: That to me is you're you're putting the battle over 482 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: the war, right and you're like, hey, we want the battle, 483 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 3: all right, you beat Michigan? Cool, great, did you win 484 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: the war? The war is winning a national championship. If 485 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: you win the war, I don't care that you lost battle. 486 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 3: I really don't, not to the point where it's more 487 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: important than winning it all. That's just I can't get 488 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: down with that at all. And whatever you put that 489 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 3: in other rivalry terms, there are other bitter rivalries. It's 490 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: not just Ohio State Michigan. We got the Iron Bowl tomorrow, 491 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: like Auburn Alabama. You think that Auburn they'd rather have 492 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: a win against Bama than a national freaking championship. That's insanity. 493 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 3: I don't care how much you hate your rival. 494 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 4: You're out of your mind. 495 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: If you don't take a title over a win against 496 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: your rival, that makes no sense to me. 497 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 6: No, I agree with that. I mean I think that, 498 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 6: like I said, the perfect season is to dominate your rival, 499 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 6: or to humiliate them, or to do something special and 500 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 6: then go and carry that to a national championship. But 501 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 6: of the two, if you don't want a title, I'm 502 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 6: not sure why you're watching. 503 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't get it. 504 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: Okay, there's another thing, maybe not as crazy as what 505 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: we laid out with these wa could do Ohio State fans, 506 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 3: at least the ones that they'd rather have a win 507 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 3: against Michigan over winning it all. I don't even get that. 508 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: But like we're starting to do it again. Last night, 509 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 3: you know, when we had Little John for twenty seconds 510 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: on NBC. We're watching the Bengals smack around the Ravens 511 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 3: pretty good, right one thirty two to fourteen as eight 512 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 3: point underdogs and you win by that much Like that, 513 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 3: That's that's pretty crazy right there. Joe Burrow's back and 514 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 3: it's like, hey, if they run the table, if they 515 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: if they it's like, guys, can we just stop that, 516 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: like shy Mart, even if they did, they have to 517 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 3: win five more games and get help. 518 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 4: Yeah and get it. 519 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 3: But they have to win five more games just to 520 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 3: be nine and eight. Yeah, and what are the odds 521 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 3: of them winning five straight? With the games that they're 522 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 3: playing not good? 523 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 4: Can we sell that? 524 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: Do? Their defense is brutal man like? So what do 525 00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 3: they have left? 526 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 4: Okay? At Buffalo the Ravens. 527 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 3: Again, they get the Dolphins, Cardinals, Cleveland, so it lightens up. 528 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: But at Buffalo against the Ravens, you lose one game, 529 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 3: it's over. You've got a losing record guaranteed. Let's stop 530 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 3: with this. Hey the Bengals, I mean, this was the 531 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 3: same scenario last year. They just had to get hot 532 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: and stop. They're not running the table, and even if 533 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: they did somehow, I don't think nine to eight is 534 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 3: getting them in. Let's stop with the Hey the Bengals, 535 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 3: I mean they still have it. No, they have no chance. 536 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: Let's just yeah, I'm altogether. 537 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 6: There would not have been a storyline about Joe Burrow 538 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 6: coming back if anybody thought they could make the playoffs 539 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 6: like him coming back with them still having a decent 540 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 6: chance to make the playoffs, like it would be an 541 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 6: absolute miracle for them to find their way in that again, 542 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 6: they'd have to run the table and a lot of 543 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 6: other teams would have to collapse around them. Like if 544 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 6: Burrow could come back to a team that still had 545 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 6: a chance to make it, well, of course nobody's gonna 546 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 6: say you shouldn't come back. The whole reason that there 547 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 6: was a storyline is because everybody knows they're done and 548 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 6: so he's gonna come back anyway, So that makes it interesting. 549 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 6: That's why Melissa Stark's ass and them before the game 550 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 6: last night, you know how difficult or why are you 551 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 6: making this decision to come back and all this? It's 552 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 6: because it doesn't make sense from just a from a 553 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 6: logistical perspective or a self preservation perspective, because it's a 554 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 6: lost season for the Bengals. They're not going anywhere, so yeah, 555 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 6: like this is this is this is perfect though, because 556 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 6: you're just trying to create more interest. You're trying to 557 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 6: create this if you are in the media, you're trying 558 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 6: to make it so that Bengals games are more enticing 559 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 6: to watch. But ultimately they already are because you've got 560 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 6: Burrow back playing quarterback. But the problem for Burrow is 561 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 6: and I said this yesterday. The problem when Burrow was 562 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 6: out wasn't that they couldn't score points, is they couldn't 563 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 6: stop anybody. And for whatever reason, they ran into a 564 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 6: Baltimore team that can't score points right now and can't 565 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 6: move football, and so they put themselves in a better 566 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 6: position because of that. But they're gonna that defense is 567 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 6: gonna go out and lay two or three, I think 568 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 6: more eggs over the course of this rest of this season, 569 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 6: and they're gonna end up probably two games below five hundred. 570 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 571 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: No, I think you're right. I think they probably will. 572 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: But this idea of they're just gonna rattle off five straight. 573 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 3: They're gonna go into Buffalo, take them down, They're gonna 574 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 3: come back and beat the Ravens again, and they're just 575 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 3: gonna be ungathed and they'll be nine to eight, And 576 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: it's like, you realize how much help they would need 577 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 3: at nine and eight to somehow some way squeeze in, 578 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 3: like guys, come on, I just wish they would present 579 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 3: it a different way, like all right, you know, like 580 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: in Dumb and Dumber where Jim Carrey's like, so you're 581 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: telling me there's a chance It's like, that's kind of 582 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 3: what we're looking at with the Bengals here, but instead 583 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: they just they package it in a way where you're like, 584 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: this isn't even slightly believable right here? What are we 585 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: doing right now? Just wasting time? How about if we 586 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: look at we'll look at college football potential shakeups in 587 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: about ten minutes. But if you look at the NFL 588 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: and you look at the week thirteen slate, what is left? 589 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 3: We've got Black Friday today, fugazy Bears against the Eagles. 590 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 4: Are you on the Eagle side. 591 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 5: On that one? J? Mart, Yeah, I am. 592 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 6: I actually think it's very possible that the Eagles are 593 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 6: going to blow them out, not because I don't believe 594 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 6: it all in the Bears, but because the one thing 595 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 6: that we haven't talked about related to the Bears so 596 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 6: far this morning is that the defense is very spotty. 597 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 6: They have been very up and down during the course 598 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 6: of this year. And Philadelphia coming off the way that 599 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 6: they found a way to lose to Dallas on Sunday, 600 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 6: I just think they're coming in ticked off. They're playing 601 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 6: in front of their home fans, and they're gonna show out. 602 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 603 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 3: How about if you look at the primetime games in 604 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 3: this week, they have We've got your Bengals against the Commanders. 605 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 5: We also have Bengals, thanks, yeah. 606 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 3: Sorry, your Broncos over the sorry about that, Your Broncos 607 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: against the Commands. And then we've got on Monday night 608 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 3: the Patriots hosting the Giants. So if you look at 609 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 3: the Broncos and you look at the Patriots, they're one 610 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: two in the AFC standings right now, Patriots number one, 611 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: Broncos number two. If you had to back a team 612 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 3: today to have a deeper playoff run, are you backing 613 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 3: the Patriots with the one seed right now, mind you? 614 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 4: Or are you backing the Broncos. 615 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 6: Who do you think is beer funny? I mean, you know, 616 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 6: I'm a die hard Broncos fan, but I'm taking New England. 617 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 618 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 6: And maybe one of the reasons why is because, well 619 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 6: two reasons. One, I just don't buy this offense right now, 620 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 6: and I'm not sure Sean Payton has a lot of 621 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 6: confidence in it either based on his play calling and 622 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 6: the way that it changes into desperation mode and then 623 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 6: you see the best of bo Nicks later in these games. 624 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 6: I don't know why we're not in that earlier for Denver. 625 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 6: On the flip side, Drake may is playing excellent football. 626 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 6: Everybody seems to be complimenting him. Well, you're seeing Trevion 627 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 6: Henderson rounding in and becoming a good part of that offense. 628 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 6: But for me, I covered Mike Rabel's entire tenure in 629 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 6: Nashville where I do the show fro him. Yeah, I 630 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 6: watched it and that day cover that team day after day. 631 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 5: This is exactly what happened here. 632 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 6: They didn't have the best roster, but he got the 633 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 6: most out of a lot of guys. He practices them 634 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 6: very hard, so keep an eye on that. That can 635 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 6: lead to some extra injuries and things like that. But 636 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 6: this is a dude that seems to overperform early, especially 637 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 6: like before you would think they're ready. They end up 638 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 6: in a spot now as Mike Rabel reached to Super Bowl, No, 639 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 6: has he reached a conference title game. Yes, I just 640 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 6: kind of look at it, and I feel better about 641 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 6: the Patriots because they seem what they do seems less 642 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 6: gimmicky to me. It seems like what I'm say seeing 643 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 6: from them looks like the regular course of football. What's 644 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 6: happening in Denver looks more like a Disney movie. 645 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, with Denver. 646 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 3: My thought on them is they're a team with a 647 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: high floor and a low ceiling. 648 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 649 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 3: Okay, So the way I look at the Broncos, their 650 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 3: formula is gonna lead to a lot of wins in 651 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 3: the regular season. 652 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 5: What do they do. 653 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: They play great defense, they have a great offensive line, 654 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 3: they hardly give up any sacks, and they protect the 655 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 3: football pretty well. With that formula, you're gonna be in 656 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 3: the mix to win a lot of games. And that's 657 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 3: what they've done. They're nine to two, But I think 658 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 3: they have a low ceiling because come playoff time, you're 659 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 3: not gonna be able to just suffocate defense other offenses 660 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 3: with your great defense, Right it's the offenses are too good, 661 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 3: where even though the Broncos play great defense, they're not 662 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 3: gonna be able to lean on these offenses the same 663 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 3: way as they're leaning on the Jets in an international 664 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 3: game and win thirteen to eleven, you know what I mean, Like, 665 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 3: that's not happening in the playoffs. They can't lean on 666 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 3: the Raiders and win ten to seven in the playoffs. 667 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 4: It's not gonna happen. 668 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 3: And so that's where I think their formula it's gonna 669 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 3: get stretched in the playoffs, and I think that's where 670 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 3: they have a very high floor. You're gonna be in 671 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 3: the mix to win a lot of games with that formula. 672 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 4: But when your. 673 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 3: Offense is limited the way that it is when bon Nicks, 674 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 3: I have to get the number for you. But when 675 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 3: bon Knicks, I mean he's had some good fourth quarters 676 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 3: and he's done some good things when it matters most, 677 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 3: So you have to keep that in mind. But when 678 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 3: you look at him overall, and he's what, he's twenty 679 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 3: sixth in passer rating. His passer rating is eighty six 680 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 3: point one in today's NFL. If you're in the eighties, 681 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 3: that is freaking brutal. By the way, just give you context. 682 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 3: Marcus Mariota is four points higher. Mariota's got a passer 683 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: rating in the nineties. So bow knicks, bet, I just 684 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 3: think he's way too inconsistent. 685 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, he can do some good things in the fourth quarter. 686 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, he can extend plays, move out of the pocket, 687 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 3: do some things with his legs. I don't want to 688 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 3: make him sound like he's horrible all the time, but 689 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 3: he's just not upper echelon at all. And you've got 690 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 3: to have that to escape a lot of these games 691 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 3: that you're going to be in and when the other 692 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 3: team is scoring points, you got to match points. I 693 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 3: just don't love the Broncos chances, so I think they 694 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 3: have a low ceiling come playoff time. 695 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that makes sense. 696 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 6: Again, I like I favor the Patriots again because it 697 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 6: looks real to me. It feels if I had to 698 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 6: try and come with an analogy for it, I would 699 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 6: say that the Patriots are kind of like a three 700 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 6: D printer. I think they can keep printing this out. 701 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 6: I think they can keep doing this on a week 702 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 6: to week basis, Whereas it seems like one of a 703 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 6: kind of artwork coming from Denver, like you're just not 704 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 6: going to be able to pop that in and it 705 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 6: come out looking that way, Like you can't continue to 706 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 6: live this close to the edge right when it comes 707 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 6: to these fourth quarters and these comeback in these near 708 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 6: turnovers or just not even just slow starts, but bad 709 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 6: starts offensively and then asking your defense to pull you 710 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 6: out of those holes, Like eventually you're gonna fall behind 711 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 6: a team that's up by three touchdowns and it's not 712 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 6: gonna be the Giants, and you're not gonna be able 713 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 6: to make that comeback. So that's that's what it is 714 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 6: to me. 715 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 5: It's just I. 716 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 6: Feel like it's just a little bit too cute in 717 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 6: Denver for me to fully get behind it. I hope 718 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 6: I'm wrong, man, we're Bronco fan. I hope they're able 719 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 6: to carry it all the way. But I just don't 720 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 6: feel I can't. I can't feel comfortable about it. 721 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 4: No doubt. 722 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 3: I would just ask for everybody out there, like a 723 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 3: little public service not announcement request. What would it be 724 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 3: a ps R instead of a PSA. I got a 725 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 3: public service request? Can we not do the thing we 726 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 3: always do? Where the Broncos are a great version of 727 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 3: this where it's like or example of this where you say, man, 728 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 3: they're nine to two. They had that one point loss 729 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,479 Speaker 3: against the Colts, remember the weird penalty on the field goal, 730 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 3: and they lost by three points against the Charge. They 731 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 3: could be undefeated, they could be eleven, and oh yeah, 732 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 3: it's like, are we really playing that game? 733 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 4: You gotta look at the other side of that. 734 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 3: They scored thirty three points in the fourth quarter alone 735 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 3: against the Giants. 736 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 4: That was a miracle win. 737 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 5: Man. 738 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 4: Like the Texans game, the Raiders the. 739 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 3: Jets, Like, there's so many games where they could have 740 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 3: gotten tripped up, so let's just not do the thing 741 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 3: where they could be eleven and oh yeah, they could 742 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 3: be a five lost team easily right now. 743 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 4: You know, so it works both ways, That's all I'm 744 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 4: telling you. 745 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 5: All right. 746 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 4: He's Jason Martin. I'm Brian Know. 747 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 3: We're in for two pros and a cup of Joe 748 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 3: here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, Where could 749 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 3: the crazy shakeup be? We'll compare notes on that. No 750 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,439 Speaker 3: more waiting your goals start now this Black Friday. Take 751 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 3: your workouts around the world with Nordic Track and I Fit. 752 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 3: Save big on treadmills, bikes and rowers at Nordic track 753 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 3: dot com, Nordic Track train anywhere explore EveryWare. 754 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 5: All right, we're. 755 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,240 Speaker 3: Looking at the college football landscape. Maybe shake up city 756 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 3: today and tomorrow we'll compare notes on that. He's j 757 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 3: mart I'm Brian No. We're in for the guys here, 758 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 3: two pros and a cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio. 759 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 3: It is Fox Sports Radio. He's Jason Martin. I'm Brian No. 760 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 3: We're in for the guys here, two pros and a 761 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 3: cup of joe Hey, Sesame Street helped raise all of us. 762 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 3: Love me some Sesame Street. Now it's our turn donate 763 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 3: this holiday season at sesame dot org because the world 764 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 3: needs Sesame and Sesame needs you. 765 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 4: We also remind. 766 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 3: You get your tools that perform at the highest level 767 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 3: on every job without compromise. 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We literally 776 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 3: have one more game left for all these teams, and 777 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 3: it's still a puzzle where you're like, if this team 778 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 3: loses this game, it's gonna throw that out of whack 779 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 3: and this and it's still not a clear cut picture 780 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 3: at this stage. Do you see any major curve balls? 781 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 3: Do you see a major upset, a major shake up anywhere? 782 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 5: Uh? Man, I don't know. 783 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 6: I think that Pittsburgh Miami having to go to Pittsburgh. 784 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 5: Keep an eye on that, Yeah. 785 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 6: Carson Beck has picked some bad times to play some 786 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 6: bad games, but then playing in pretty cold weather that 787 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 6: that is something to watch. And I'm just not so 788 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 6: sure about Miami. I think that's probably the one my 789 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 6: eye is on the most. And then again, and I 790 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 6: said this earlier, I definitely think Texas A and M 791 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 6: better be real careful tonight against Texas. Obviously they're gonna 792 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 6: make the They're gonna make the College Football Playoff their way. 793 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 6: But Texas is one of those teams that's trying to 794 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 6: make some kind of a case for themselves and maybe 795 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 6: get a little help above them. And in some cases 796 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 6: they're going to but A and M better watch out, 797 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 6: like their undefeated season is very much in jeopardy in 798 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 6: my opinion, just because I think Texas is going to 799 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 6: play really hard tonight. 800 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. You know, I got my eye on 801 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 3: the Ducks. I'm not convinced that Ducks are going to 802 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 3: Washington and just Waltzon through them. You know, that's a 803 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 3: tough defense. I think the real test is Washington's offense, 804 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,439 Speaker 3: because against the lesser defenses, man, they carve them up. 805 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 3: But against better defenses, and Oregon has a good defense, 806 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 3: Washington has been held in check. So I'm curious what 807 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 3: Washington's gonna be able to do offensively. But that's a 808 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 3: tough place to play. Oregon is still all banged up offensively, 809 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 3: So that's one I've got my eye on is can 810 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 3: the Huskies? 811 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 4: Can they they pull a shocker over here? Exce if 812 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 4: they do. 813 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 6: Washington's coaches also in the in the running for the 814 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 6: Florida job. 815 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like the lead. 816 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 6: I think he's lead in terms of Vegas now because 817 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 6: I think Florida is sort of the lane train. Seems 818 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 6: like it's either staying home or it's going to LSU. 819 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 6: I think those are probably I think it's more likely 820 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,760 Speaker 6: he stays in Old miss now then he goes to Florida. 821 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 6: But I don't know if that has any lingering effect. 822 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 6: But I still think Oregon is awfully good. But that 823 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 6: is a that's a weird game, man, Like that Oregon 824 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 6: Washington game can be a really weird one. 825 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 3: I have a hard time seeing Oregon. They're gonna get 826 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 3: in right. If they lose their number six, they'd be 827 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 3: ten and. 828 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 5: Two two lost team. 829 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, someone's gonna get squeezed though, you know what I mean, Like, 830 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 3: if you look at this look at this scenario. That's 831 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 3: why I don't agree that Notre Dame is a lock yet, 832 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 3: Like the nightmare scenario for the Irish is if BYU 833 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,479 Speaker 3: beats Texas Tech in the Big twelve championship game, both 834 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 3: are getting in. If Bama somehow wins the SEC title game, 835 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 3: someone's getting squeezed, you know. 836 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 4: So we'll see how it works out. Everybody, have a 837 00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 4: good day.