Speaker 1: That's what's good. Family hits Your girl Tamika D. Mallory
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 2: Is your boy might sell in the general and we.
Speaker 3: Are your host of up not Street Politicians, but T
Speaker 3: and my new name, New Year, New Energy.
Speaker 1: Same us, same us.
Speaker 3: But we have decided to rebrand after six years of
Speaker 3: Street Politicians, which is a name.
Speaker 1: That I love that we created. You might have been
Speaker 1: the one to come up.
Speaker 2: I mean pretty much, you know I do.
Speaker 3: That's always come up with the best titles for the moment.
Speaker 3: And at the time, Street Politicians was so so important
Speaker 3: to us because really during that time six years ago,
Speaker 3: seven years ago, when we first started talking about it,
Speaker 3: so many people were like, I don't be thinking about politics.
Speaker 1: I ain't into that.
Speaker 3: Like everywhere we traveled around the country, it was like
Speaker 3: politic was like, Oh, that's somebody else's thing, that's someone
Speaker 3: else's business. And we did a lot of work over
Speaker 3: these six years, not just with the podcast, but with
Speaker 3: our work through Until Freedom and just on the ground
Speaker 3: or in communities in general to really get people to
Speaker 3: start thinking more about politics.
Speaker 1: And now it's oversaturated. Even though some people still don't
Speaker 1: feel politics.
Speaker 3: Is their thing or their business, but I do think
Speaker 3: that more people are engaged and more people are knowledgeable
Speaker 3: about what's happening in the political space right.
Speaker 4: And I think also, you know, even though people are
Speaker 4: definitely more knowledgeable about politics, we just didn't want to
Speaker 4: just seem like that's what was our main focus. And
Speaker 4: we understood that our communities need more information than politicians
Speaker 4: and politics. You know, I feel like everything is politics, right,
Speaker 4: but a lot of people failed to inform, you know,
Speaker 4: So we wanted to make our show by informing our
Speaker 4: community about you being able to bring people, artists, everything
Speaker 4: that we actually respect that can give you a perspective
Speaker 4: that can help you grow and evolve to different places.
Speaker 2: So that's what we're not just you, but need.
Speaker 1: Too well help us all we intend to.
Speaker 3: And I think our show, our podcast has always been
Speaker 3: about us learning as we try to teach, as you.
Speaker 1: Know, we're being and we're all being informed together. Uh
Speaker 1: And so tm.
Speaker 4: I that is good. That gives us a good segue
Speaker 4: to explain what the name is. It's not what it
Speaker 4: sounds like. It's not too much.
Speaker 1: Information, although sometimes sometimes we.
Speaker 4: Talk about tm I given too much information, but it's
Speaker 4: actually just our names Tamika and Mice on information.
Speaker 2: We give you information. We'll bring people here to give
Speaker 2: you information.
Speaker 4: So we want you to be prepared and ready to
Speaker 4: be informed.
Speaker 1: Right, So t M I is beginning. We're we're just
Speaker 1: back now.
Speaker 3: We've been sort of on working on all the rebranded.
Speaker 3: I know, folks are like what happened? Like where are they?
Speaker 3: But we're still with the Black Effect Podcast Network. The
Speaker 3: whole family and all of our siblings in the podcast
Speaker 3: network is so many podcasts. First of all, the Black
Speaker 3: Effect Podcast Network is doing amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing. They
Speaker 3: actually sent us some jackets Jacket and then you know,
Speaker 3: so the network is doing well, growing every day.
Speaker 1: I see so many new shows have been added.
Speaker 3: I think Sarah Jakes is going to be one of
Speaker 3: the new podcasts coming into the family. And so you know,
Speaker 3: just that is already great. And then our long standing
Speaker 3: relationship with the first people who believed in us, which
Speaker 3: is Catscape Productions, our dear sister Kathleen Trag and also
Speaker 3: oh janis over here who's.
Speaker 1: Always posing it down, our producer, and so you know, we.
Speaker 3: Our family hasn't changed and we have grown in so
Speaker 3: many ways together when we first started, like going back
Speaker 3: to those old beginning shows.
Speaker 1: But you and I used to.
Speaker 2: Argue, we still we still don't always agree.
Speaker 1: No, we still that changed now, but.
Speaker 4: We're gonna give you our perspectives and our point of
Speaker 4: views even when we disagree, so that you can make
Speaker 4: your own judgment about who's right and who's wrong, because
Speaker 4: I'm usually writing, she's usual right whatever.
Speaker 3: But you know, but and I think now in this society,
Speaker 3: with all the stuff that's happening, we've begun to agree
Speaker 3: more than we used to. I mean, I think there's
Speaker 3: always still a perspective and something we want to It's
Speaker 3: so many shows, podcast blogs, talk whatever they are, youtubes
Speaker 3: that have really been designed to try to divide men
Speaker 3: and women, and particularly black men and black women.
Speaker 2: And I don't know.
Speaker 1: If it's if it's intentional or they just have found
Speaker 1: that over time it becomes lucrative.
Speaker 3: Like you, the more conflict you have, the better you
Speaker 3: know ratings.
Speaker 2: And conflict is content. It is it is, And I realized.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a definite marketing strategy for most people.
Speaker 4: A lot of people that that's their main focus about
Speaker 4: how can we conflicts, like how can we create the division?
Speaker 4: How can we gossip? We create something, even if it's
Speaker 4: not true. So I don't think that that's not what
Speaker 4: we want to know, that's not you. You do not
Speaker 4: have to worry about us. We don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: We do not here to tear down anybody. Everybody that
Speaker 4: we're going to bring here, We're going to bring the
Speaker 4: people that we actually respect, people that we actually feel like.
Speaker 1: Are going to everybody agree with.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm saying respect.
Speaker 4: You don't have to agree with somebody like I don't
Speaker 4: agree with you a lot of times, right, but I
Speaker 4: respect you and I respect what you do. So we
Speaker 4: might have a different perspective on certain things. So you
Speaker 4: can respect people that you actually disagree with on certain topics.
Speaker 4: So if I don't respect you, then I don't even
Speaker 4: care what you think about something.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So, as you heard from us the last time we
Speaker 3: were in the studio, Tami is a thing.
Speaker 1: This is our new venture.
Speaker 3: I've been podcasting for six years, but we're doing it
Speaker 3: with some new energy and the person responsible for keeping
Speaker 3: our voices at the forefront of the podcast industry is
Speaker 3: coming up right now.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this interview.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am too. My brother Charlemagne the Gut.
Speaker 3: So you know, I've had the opportunity to hear many, many,
Speaker 3: many introductions of our brother, yes right, and and you know,
Speaker 3: old time those intros have developed to so many different things.
Speaker 3: And now you know, my favorite introduction from us is
Speaker 3: this is our friend, you know. And it's so good
Speaker 3: to have our friend with us and to have our
Speaker 3: friend as one of our biggest supporters in terms of
Speaker 3: making sure that our voices are present and powerful and
Speaker 3: impactful in the world. But you know, some of the
Speaker 3: developments of his initial his old days of being introduced
Speaker 3: are that this brother is a media mobile, a multi
Speaker 3: media expert. It has a podcast network, a publishing company,
Speaker 3: is the producer of a multitude of different things. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's so much that Charlemagne to God, Leonard McKelvey is
Speaker 3: doing in this world. And we are so excited that
Speaker 3: for the first time we get to have you as
Speaker 3: a guest on Team Mine, which normally as three politicians exactly,
Speaker 3: we get to put.
Speaker 2: You in the hot seat.
Speaker 3: So it's the first time, fast time, first time in
Speaker 3: three years that we've been on on your network. This
Speaker 3: is the first time we have you with us, But
Speaker 3: it certainly isn't the first time that we've been engaged
Speaker 3: in conversation.
Speaker 1: We've obviously been on the Breakfast.
Speaker 3: Club many many, many times, and between us and you, well,
Speaker 3: between you and me and Teslin, we argue every day
Speaker 3: for at least about five hours a day, so I'm
Speaker 3: always knowing you know what's on your mind and how
Speaker 3: you're thinking about issues.
Speaker 5: Me and you know how to tap out though they're
Speaker 5: gonna how to tap out going.
Speaker 4: You know, testing test bring y'all argument to me, after
Speaker 4: y'all kiss y'all, think she come to me and then
Speaker 4: she can't bring it to me, so you know how
Speaker 4: to keep it going.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, if you haven't need somebody to help you,
Speaker 3: think Tesling is the one, whether you agree with me not,
Speaker 3: she gonna help you be up on your game because
Speaker 3: you're not gonna just tell her bullshit and think you're
Speaker 3: gonna move on.
Speaker 1: So let me just.
Speaker 3: Start off by saying that I remember when I first
Speaker 3: told you we're gonna change the name of our podcast
Speaker 3: from Street Politicians to T and I, which is Tamika
Speaker 3: and Maison's Information.
Speaker 1: When you heard it, you were like, it's dope.
Speaker 3: I love it, But you know they're gonna say y'all
Speaker 3: being messy because we know what T and I really is.
Speaker 3: Another thing that's well that that statement is well known for,
Speaker 3: which is of course too much information.
Speaker 1: And you know, we have had the.
Speaker 3: Opportunity working with Dolly and just working with the team
Speaker 3: to reimagine our initial vision. It's been six years that
Speaker 3: we've been doing our podcast and we said, okay, we
Speaker 3: want to do something fresh, something new, new imagery, and
Speaker 3: you all have been so supportive of it.
Speaker 1: So first of all, thank you. But what we do
Speaker 1: want to really find.
Speaker 3: Out is with the Black Effect Cast Network, what was
Speaker 3: your initial vision?
Speaker 2: Like, why did you start this?
Speaker 1: What made you want to manage all of us people
Speaker 1: crazy people?
Speaker 6: Because Malcolm X said that person who controls the media
Speaker 6: controls the minds of the masses. And for the first time,
Speaker 6: and at least in my lifetime, you know, we're in
Speaker 6: a place where so many people are controlling their own narratives.
Speaker 6: You know, so many people have their own platforms and
Speaker 6: they're able to have conversations that you're not hearing on
Speaker 6: traditional traditional mediums like television or even radio. And even
Speaker 6: when you look at radio right, like talk radio is
Speaker 6: dominated by the conservative voice, like and it's a huge,
Speaker 6: a huge, huge medium, Like these are hundreds of millions
Speaker 6: of people who are tuning in to listen to these
Speaker 6: you know, conservative you know, radio show hosts.
Speaker 5: And that's even translated over to podcasting.
Speaker 6: If you go to like the if you go to
Speaker 6: Apple right now and you look at like top ten,
Speaker 6: fifteen to twenty podcast in the news the news category,
Speaker 6: they're they're mostly conservative voices, you know. So for me,
Speaker 6: it's like where the independent voices, Where the you know,
Speaker 6: the voices from the other side, Like where the people
Speaker 6: that's really speaking, you know, for the community and what's
Speaker 6: going on in the street, Like where are all of
Speaker 6: those different voices? And I felt like, you know, the
Speaker 6: best way to amplify that was was through the podcast
Speaker 6: space because there was already a bunch of people doing it,
Speaker 6: like yourself. So it's like, you know, if I get
Speaker 6: the opportunity to be able to partner with somebody like
Speaker 6: an Ieheartened to be able to amplify those voices, why
Speaker 6: wouldn't I.
Speaker 2: That's that's dope.
Speaker 4: And and one thing is a common theme, you know,
Speaker 4: because I'm so big on authenticity, and that's one of
Speaker 4: the things about the Black Effect Network is it is
Speaker 4: full of the podcasts who are authentic, raw and real,
Speaker 4: you know, And I know that's that's something about you
Speaker 4: that I'm known for years, you know, since we since
Speaker 4: I first met you, like when you was Duskin, you know,
Speaker 4: when you used to be Dusking. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I know you since did I just want to know,
Speaker 4: like just all the things you've accomplished. You know, I
Speaker 4: always celebrate and I always tell people how proud I
Speaker 4: am of everything you accomplished. But back in those days,
Speaker 4: did you imagine yourself actually being where you are right now?
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you know, to a certain extent, Like you know,
Speaker 6: I knew that I told myself back in ninety eight.
Speaker 5: I wanted to be like, you know, a super jock
Speaker 5: is what we call them.
Speaker 6: You know, I didn't want to be just somebody in
Speaker 6: a in a local market during the time and Tempica
Speaker 6: you're introducing, you know, the New Drake Record, Like I
Speaker 6: always knew I wanted to be Tom Joyner or Andrew Martinez,
Speaker 6: a Wendy Williams, the Doug Bank you know. P. D.
Speaker 6: Green was a big inspiration of mind, Howard Stern, all
Speaker 6: of those people.
Speaker 5: So luckily a lot of them.
Speaker 6: You know, they had the opportunity to to build, to build,
Speaker 6: you know, I guess empires, many empires is what you
Speaker 6: want to call them. They were doing the books, and
Speaker 6: they were doing the television, and they were producing you know,
Speaker 6: TV show and stuff like that. So I had a blueprint,
Speaker 6: you know, there was a blueprint before me. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I was able to see what was possible.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I love that you're saying, yeah, I
Speaker 3: saw it, because so often the answer to that question
Speaker 3: is like, no, I had no idea. I can't believe
Speaker 3: where I am today. But you're saying that you had
Speaker 3: a vision for yourself, you saw it, and you actually
Speaker 3: follow some of the models with your own.
Speaker 1: Flair, you know.
Speaker 3: And oftentimes I think people they don't really know where
Speaker 3: to look for what it is that they want to be.
Speaker 1: What do you think it is about you that's like?
Speaker 3: Is it that you read a lie? Is it that
Speaker 3: the exposure of your family, your parents, your community? What
Speaker 3: do you think put you in a place to be
Speaker 3: able to see all of these different models and create
Speaker 3: what you have now become?
Speaker 6: It's all of those things. Because you know, my mother
Speaker 6: growing up, she was an English teacher, and she would
Speaker 6: always tell me to read things that don't necessarily pertain.
Speaker 6: So I would be in the library reading everything from
Speaker 6: you know, Judy Bloom, the books about UFOs. And then
Speaker 6: my dad, you know, he was the Jehovah Witness, then
Speaker 6: he got the Spellowship, and then he got into the Nation.
Speaker 5: But then he was also in the street. You know,
Speaker 5: my dad he battled substance abuse, but then he also
Speaker 5: sold substances.
Speaker 6: And you know, he also was an entrepreneur. Like growing up,
Speaker 6: my dad had a fish market in the middle of
Speaker 6: a Monkst.
Speaker 2: Corner.
Speaker 6: Like he had a it's called it's called Max Thiefood.
Speaker 6: So him and my uncles, you know, had had a
Speaker 6: fish market right in the middle of a Monkst.
Speaker 2: Corner.
Speaker 6: And then right behind the fish market was a barbershop.
Speaker 6: The barbershop was owned by a bunch of brothers. So
Speaker 6: it's just like I always saw that level of entrepreneurship,
Speaker 6: you know, even in my community and then growing up
Speaker 6: in hip hop. You know, I'm born in nineteen hundred
Speaker 6: and seventy eight, so I saw bad Boy Rockefeller, no limit,
Speaker 6: you know, rap a lot, all of those brothers opening
Speaker 6: up these entities where they were empowering other people. So
Speaker 6: for me, it was kind of like it was a
Speaker 6: con combination of all of those things, like, you know,
Speaker 6: not limiting myself to one space, but also knowing that
Speaker 6: you can create these entities to empower other people. And
Speaker 6: then you know, Clarence Avon was from North Carolina, so
Speaker 6: I was always you know, a big, big, big, big
Speaker 6: student of of everything Clarence Avon was doing, and so
Speaker 6: he was he was a big he was a big
Speaker 6: blueprint of mind. So yeah, it's just like as a
Speaker 6: combination of all those things you said, just paying attention
Speaker 6: and observing you know, black people in different spaces doing
Speaker 6: great things.
Speaker 4: Speaking of influences, you know, like I've watched you, You've
Speaker 4: had some of the most controversial interviews ever and they've
Speaker 4: been either entertaining or informational, Like you've You've done so
Speaker 4: many different things on these in this platform that has
Speaker 4: revolutionized I think a lot of people followed the groupprint
Speaker 4: that you have. Who is some of the people who've
Speaker 4: given you some advice And what was that advice that
Speaker 4: you think that you've taken as giving you, you know,
Speaker 4: the opportunity and ability to be where you are.
Speaker 2: Right now, oh, man.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I've gotten advice, some of the best ever.
Speaker 6: Like I've gotten advice from all the great man she
Speaker 6: bought Tina. I was working with Wendy for three years,
Speaker 6: Tom Joyner, Like, you know, I've had the pleasure of
Speaker 6: like knowing these people and having him tell me, you know,
Speaker 6: different things.
Speaker 5: One thing Wendy said to.
Speaker 6: Me that stuck out was, you know, you're either gonna
Speaker 6: be You're gonna either be of the industry or of
Speaker 6: the people, And that always stuck out me, you know.
Speaker 6: But it's it's almost impossible to not eventually be of
Speaker 6: the industry because either you're gonna build your own industry
Speaker 6: or you gonna start developing real relationship with people, because
Speaker 6: either y'all gonna come up together, are you gonna meet
Speaker 6: people in this business that you, you know, connect with.
Speaker 6: She was just the rebel period, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like she wasn't trying to deal with with nobody in
Speaker 6: any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: I don't know if that was good or bad, But yeah,
Speaker 6: I've gotten I've gotten great advice from a lot of
Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of great individuals, man, But
Speaker 6: I learned more so from watching other people like there
Speaker 6: was people who idolized back in the day, and I
Speaker 6: realized that, man, they never allowed themselves to grow up.
Speaker 6: And being that they never allowed themselves to grow up,
Speaker 6: they never allowed themselves to evolve. They're plane landed in
Speaker 6: the wheels, didn't come out. Like there's a lot of
Speaker 6: people that came before us who we watched crash and burn,
Speaker 6: you know, especially in radio, especially you know, if they
Speaker 6: had the shock jock label, but they didn't allow themselves
Speaker 6: to grow And so for me, I learned that and
Speaker 6: just realized, like, man, I don't want to be the
Speaker 6: forty five year old dude what it's had on the
Speaker 6: back you know, yes, yes, yes, y'all and screaming over
Speaker 6: records Like I never wanted to be that, Like I
Speaker 6: wanted to do exactly what you just said. Might have
Speaker 6: conversations you know that people can actually learn from or
Speaker 6: just sit back and watch and and genuinely being attained.
Speaker 6: Like right now you look at the game, man, it's
Speaker 6: just all mess like every everything is, everything is conflict,
Speaker 6: trip everything is. It's like, yo, who can we beat
Speaker 6: up to date? Like me, I don't want to be
Speaker 6: a part of that circuit. Like I've been disconnected at
Speaker 6: a long, long, long, long time ago. Because how sustainable
Speaker 6: is that? I don't think it's sustainable at all.
Speaker 1: So what would you tell a young person?
Speaker 3: Because we're privileged, Leonard, Like, we have access to these
Speaker 3: people you got to work with, as you said, Wendy
Speaker 3: and Angie Martinez, you sit with, and we are in
Speaker 3: all these circles, we around all these people.
Speaker 1: So what would you tell them?
Speaker 3: You said, watch examples, right, But what's another tip that
Speaker 3: you would give them about how they can start to
Speaker 3: formulate what it looks like to develop and sort of
Speaker 3: go to the next level. What's your hustle and your
Speaker 3: grind that you would share to a young person that's
Speaker 3: trying to figure it out?
Speaker 6: Number one right now, It's always been the number one,
Speaker 6: but it's even more imperative now. You have to be
Speaker 6: authentic to you, Like I feel like there's not a
Speaker 6: lot of people being authentic to them. I really feel
Speaker 6: like people see what they think is working for other people,
Speaker 6: so everybody's just mimicking mimicking that. That's why you know,
Speaker 6: it feels like everybody doing the same thing, because like
Speaker 6: nobody's really truly being themselves. But if you notice it's
Speaker 6: the people who really are being themselves who are cutting
Speaker 6: through in a really unique way. Like you know, you
Speaker 6: look at somebody like Earn your Leisure and what they've built,
Speaker 6: Like they built the whole platform talking about financial literacy.
Speaker 6: So you look at somebody like a nineteen Key, Like
Speaker 6: nineteen Keys is just out here, you know, empowering people
Speaker 6: on some og nation of Islam energy like you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, do for self, And it's like all
Speaker 6: like that stuff is cutting through. You look at what
Speaker 6: the eighty five South Show does in comedy. You know,
Speaker 6: three brothers who individually is stand up comic, aren't credit,
Speaker 6: but they come together collectively just to kick it as homeboys.
Speaker 6: You know, they built an amazing, amazing production company with
Speaker 6: eighty five South, and like they don't get involved in
Speaker 6: none of the mess.
Speaker 5: So it's like all of those those people who are.
Speaker 6: In their own unique lanes truly being themselves, you know,
Speaker 6: have have have gone to a lot of success.
Speaker 5: Then you got like a whole group of people who
Speaker 5: are all.
Speaker 6: Literally just doing the same thing, spewing the same type
Speaker 6: of mess. And it's like they got their one niche
Speaker 6: audience and a lot of people love that, right, a
Speaker 6: lot of people feel like that's what they want to
Speaker 6: be a part of until they get involved, they look
Speaker 6: around and realize how small the room actually is. It's
Speaker 6: not a big room at all. You want to put
Speaker 6: yourself in places where the rooms are big, where where
Speaker 6: eventually you're not even in a room, you're just outside
Speaker 6: and you could just look around and realize, like, man,
Speaker 6: it's all all of this, all of this.
Speaker 5: You know I could tap into if I wanted to,
Speaker 5: But them.
Speaker 6: Those rooms that with all that mess, they got walls,
Speaker 6: big brick walls and glass ceilings, and you looking up
Speaker 6: thinking you could go father, but you really can't, and
Speaker 6: eventually you find yourself trapped.
Speaker 3: So with all the different podcasts that you have, it's
Speaker 3: we have so many different voices. We talk about sex,
Speaker 3: people talking about politics, people talking about.
Speaker 1: Community issue, street all everything you could think of.
Speaker 3: What how do you deal with the sponsors and the
Speaker 3: people in the background. That's like you got some folks
Speaker 3: on Gaza, you got people on so many different issues,
Speaker 3: like what type of how do you walk into a
Speaker 3: room where there are folks who are constantly trying to
Speaker 3: shift the narrative or control people's voices.
Speaker 1: What gives you, like, what do you say in those rooms?
Speaker 6: I let them speak their piece and I speak mind. Like,
Speaker 6: I don't know why everybody's so afraid just to have dialogue.
Speaker 6: Like if somebody says something that you don't agree with,
Speaker 6: then you give a counter to it, and whatever that
Speaker 6: kind of is, y'all can either go back and forth,
Speaker 6: or if it's in public, people are going to side
Speaker 6: with whatever they want to side with if you say
Speaker 6: something that they like, you know what, I see where
Speaker 6: Mika's coming from? Or I might say something like, oh,
Speaker 6: I see what Mice is coming from. Like, I don't
Speaker 6: understand why people are so afraid the dialogue and why
Speaker 6: we just want to like eliminate and destroy people we
Speaker 6: don't agree with, because everybody, everybody thinks they're right in
Speaker 6: some way, shape or form, and they have reasons why
Speaker 6: they believe they're right. If I hear you out and
Speaker 6: you're explaining to me why you feel the way you feel,
Speaker 6: whether I agree or disagree, if that's truly how you feel,
Speaker 6: you have the right to that opinion. You have the
Speaker 6: right to feel that way, just like I have to
Speaker 6: right my opinion, Like I have the right to feel
Speaker 6: the way I want to feel But I mean, we
Speaker 6: all know at the end of the day, truth is
Speaker 6: truth and facts are fact that I have to even
Speaker 6: in this world of artificial intelligence and everybody you know,
Speaker 6: nobody cared about the truth and the lives more and anything,
Speaker 6: and even in this world, I have to understand or
Speaker 6: believe that the truth is gonna prevail a bitually. And
Speaker 6: the only thing that that that showed that ultimately tell
Speaker 6: the truth is time. But sometimes you just gotta say
Speaker 6: what you need to say and step back and let
Speaker 6: let time felt it del Yeah.
Speaker 4: I say that all the time. You know, I've watched
Speaker 4: now since since you know, the birth of the internet.
Speaker 4: It's so many people with the same exact blueprint to
Speaker 4: success say something negative about somebody else a bunch of
Speaker 4: times until people pay attention to you and cause conflict.
Speaker 2: And I really think that's just a cheap way.
Speaker 4: But once again, I want to celebrate you and say
Speaker 4: we appreciate everything that you've done for us. I've appreciate
Speaker 4: the way that you've just conducted yourself in this business.
Speaker 4: Since I've known you, it's always been authentic, you know,
Speaker 4: like even when there's been controversy, it's always been authentic.
Speaker 2: Controversy.
Speaker 4: It's always been you didn't agree with something somebody said,
Speaker 4: and you challenged it and you stood on what you
Speaker 4: stood on, and I always respected that.
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time, I don't care if
Speaker 2: you like what y'all and.
Speaker 4: May think or not, he gonna stand on what he's
Speaker 4: staying on because that's what he believes and that's what
Speaker 4: I That's one of the main things about you that
Speaker 4: I appreciate.
Speaker 2: But I just want to say that apologize, yeah, because
Speaker 2: if you can, if that's a man though, because we
Speaker 2: make mistakes, that's also being authentic to stand on what
Speaker 2: you staying.
Speaker 4: If I say something and you and I can acknowledge,
Speaker 4: you know what, I made a mistake and I apologize,
Speaker 4: that's also.
Speaker 2: You know, attributes to a man. But that goes brings
Speaker 2: me to the last question. I want to know.
Speaker 4: You know, you've been in this industry for years and
Speaker 4: you had different dialogues, different controvert whatever is are there
Speaker 4: is there one thing that if you could you could do,
Speaker 4: you would do it over or change just one of
Speaker 4: the things that stand out to you that you've been
Speaker 4: through a lot of different things. Sometimes some people go
Speaker 4: through the industry like you know, everything that I went
Speaker 4: through got me to where I'm at, So I really
Speaker 4: wouldn't change anything. Do you feel like that is one
Speaker 4: particular thing that you might say yourself? You know what
Speaker 4: this situation in the try that I got into, I
Speaker 4: probably would change.
Speaker 5: If I could do it, though I would have answered
Speaker 5: that differently a couple of weeks ago. But I had
Speaker 5: an experience.
Speaker 6: I had an experienced a couple of weeks ago that
Speaker 6: I haven't I haven't spoken about yet, but I will.
Speaker 6: I will one day because I'm still processing it. But
Speaker 6: I went away on like a spiritual retreat, and let's
Speaker 6: just say that I was literally shown that every single
Speaker 6: thing that has ever happened in my life period was
Speaker 6: absolutely positively meant to happen.
Speaker 4: It sounds like you had ayahuasca. It's like you had
Speaker 4: one like you would on that retreatment. That sounds like
Speaker 4: everybody who going there. That's what I hear, like that
Speaker 4: real thing. So you know, you ain't gotta tell us now.
Speaker 4: I guess you're gonna tell when you feel like that.
Speaker 4: But it damn sure saund like that. I was just
Speaker 4: telling me and to me was having this conversation last week,
Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, I really think I wanted to do
Speaker 4: that because it seems like everybody has this this clarity
Speaker 4: and seeing God movment in it.
Speaker 6: So but I will tell I will tell you this.
Speaker 6: If it's calling, you do it. If it's calling, you
Speaker 6: do it. Only only do it if it calls. Okay,
Speaker 6: But but but yes, I was.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 6: Literally it was like somebody wrote it down and literally
Speaker 6: showed me why every single thing happened the way it
Speaker 6: was supposed to happen, and and and it and it
Speaker 6: really it really it really does make you say, man,
Speaker 6: God really does love you in spite of.
Speaker 5: That, and that and that, like sometimes you just need
Speaker 5: to know that, like God loves you in spite of
Speaker 5: so it's like, no, I couldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: I feel like if I took away anything, it was
Speaker 6: like it'd be like a game of Tetris or jingle,
Speaker 6: Like you take one away, the whole thing might tumble down.
Speaker 5: I know, I gotta own it all.
Speaker 2: I got to own it all.
Speaker 1: Once you say, thank God for it all, thank God
Speaker 1: for it all.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for come in and sharing with
Speaker 3: us and being a guest on our podcast on your
Speaker 3: podcast network.
Speaker 2: That's you.
Speaker 4: I just want to ask you one more thing, one
Speaker 4: more thing, if you could give me one word to
Speaker 4: describe you, just one word, one word to describe me.
Speaker 4: You described yourself for one word alive. I love that,
Speaker 4: we appreciate you.
Speaker 6: But thank y'all man, thank you to me, thank you
Speaker 6: my son man. For everything that y'all do. I don't
Speaker 6: think y'all get enough credit ever, but you know that's
Speaker 6: just the way that it is. People are not going
Speaker 6: to celebrate y'all full until it's all said and done
Speaker 6: because that.
Speaker 2: I love about y'all.
Speaker 5: The thing I love about y'all.
Speaker 6: And listen, I didn't grow up with with with activists,
Speaker 6: but you know you hear the things that are said
Speaker 6: about activists. The thing I love about y'all, y'all are
Speaker 6: always doing the work. Whether the cameras are rolling or not.
Speaker 6: People can never say to me, can mice on it?
Speaker 6: And Jason, because y'all be out here on the front line.
Speaker 6: The things that I don't even be knowing what be
Speaker 6: going on, well, they.
Speaker 1: Don't say it. They can They can say anything they want,
Speaker 1: just like they say all the things about you.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of hate out here, but it's much
Speaker 3: more love, and I think, as you said, it's God's
Speaker 3: love and our love for one another that keeps us
Speaker 3: all going if it wasn't for you giving us opportunities,
Speaker 3: you know, publishing my first and now my second book,
Speaker 3: you know, being there, always giving my soign a platform.
Speaker 3: Anytime you call, I want to come up to breakfast club.
Speaker 3: You are always doing that. We have to love each
Speaker 3: other more than they hate us, and I think that's
Speaker 3: the answer. So that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1: We love you, and you just keep doing what you're doing. Brother,
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Telling me to God. We thank you, Yes, sir, excellent interview.
Speaker 1: Man, that was a good interview.
Speaker 3: You know, I see him talking about politics, and I
Speaker 3: see him talking about celebrity news and you know, all issues,
Speaker 3: things that's happened in the community and all of that.
Speaker 3: But it's good to hear him talk about his aspirations
Speaker 3: and what he is building as a media moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I asked him some questions I always wanted
Speaker 4: to ask, you know, well how because like I said,
Speaker 4: I knew him when he was Dalkskin for a long time.
Speaker 2: That means.
Speaker 4: So anyway, I just know him a long time and
Speaker 4: just watching his growth and constant growth and elevation mentally,
Speaker 4: you know, in his business agreement and everything.
Speaker 2: Just seeing the growth and just knowing that he actually
Speaker 2: said that, he he this is what he wanted. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I always say it. I always tell people all
Speaker 4: the time, you have to speak of it to existence.
Speaker 4: You have to believe in yourself more than anybody else
Speaker 4: doesn't believe you. And he's a testament to that.
Speaker 1: That's right, what I say, you have to we have
Speaker 1: to love us more than they hate us. And that
Speaker 1: is yes, I mean we have to actually write and
Speaker 1: put it somewhere.
Speaker 2: We got to love us more than they hate us.
Speaker 1: Mana, they love to hate us. They love to hate Charles.
Speaker 1: You know, he's strangling. So every now and then he
Speaker 1: does says things and it's like what Leonard.
Speaker 2: But you know how you feel?
Speaker 1: Like I said, we know he's a good he's a
Speaker 1: good dude.
Speaker 4: Really all the time we meet him, debate, we're gonna
Speaker 4: get We're gonna have our debates mos time.
Speaker 2: But it's always in love and respect. That's what I like.
Speaker 3: I appreciate well, well, well, well, speaking of new things
Speaker 3: and developing in our skills and and and really just
Speaker 3: kind of looking at how we engage more people. Folks
Speaker 3: have now heard at the beginning of the show about
Speaker 3: what t m I is and we love feedback.
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Speaker 3: hear about what some of the topics you want us
Speaker 3: to cover. Speaking of topics, let's talk about what folks
Speaker 3: can look forward to for the new t m I season.
Speaker 4: That's right, we have new segments that will be in
Speaker 4: the season which will be you still be the game
Speaker 4: will still be there.
Speaker 2: We'll be adding the t m I sec the Messy
Speaker 2: segment a little but just about things that we want
Speaker 2: to get your opinion on things that might be t
Speaker 2: just I mean, yeah, a lot too.
Speaker 4: Much information somebody might give us too much information. We
Speaker 4: might ask you, do you think it's too much information?
Speaker 4: You know, it's gonna be a dope segment. It's gonna
Speaker 4: be one of our One of my new favorite segments.
Speaker 2: Also one of my new favorite segments. In my new segment.
Speaker 4: Is where I spotlight good music is called the Real
Speaker 4: Music Spot.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be good music.
Speaker 4: Because it's real music because I believe, like I said
Speaker 4: all the time, I do not believe that music with
Speaker 4: substance gets enough highlight, you know, and it's and it
Speaker 4: comes from whether we have mainstream artists or up and
Speaker 4: coming artists. They don't highlight the songs that actually have
Speaker 4: the substance. Like you hear the radio songs and then
Speaker 4: you and you don't like the I do this all
Speaker 4: the time. I hear a song on the radio from
Speaker 4: an artist and be like, I don't want to hear
Speaker 4: the album, and then actually started listening to the album
Speaker 4: and be like, yo, why they't put these songs though?
Speaker 2: Like why do I these play these? So I do
Speaker 2: that to artists all the time.
Speaker 7: So I'm going to make sure that I highlight some
Speaker 7: of the songs that I think are substance that are
Speaker 7: dope songs for some artists that are unknown, up and coming,
Speaker 7: And yeah, I want music with a message because I
Speaker 7: think we moved away from that, you know, in this
Speaker 7: culture right now, everybody.
Speaker 2: Just wants the doper mean one. They want to move around.
Speaker 4: They want to either drill too much or everything else
Speaker 4: over sexual it's just.
Speaker 2: So much too much. So I want substance. So that's what.
Speaker 3: But there could also be an artist that is well known. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because like Cardi b. You know, she one time I
Speaker 3: was watching her on live and she was like, people
Speaker 3: keep complaining about certain songs that I put out, and
Speaker 3: she was like, if you go to my album and
Speaker 3: she names a few songs, she's like, these songs are
Speaker 3: everything y'all claim y'all want, But it ain't bumping like that.
Speaker 3: It's not bumping all over. People are not, you know,
Speaker 3: invested in these particular songs. And she's like, if you
Speaker 3: want artists to put out more music that it's just better.
Speaker 3: Are I guess more culturally competend.
Speaker 1: Than relevant? Then you know you have you have to
Speaker 1: support those artists and make sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's that's what I say. And and this
Speaker 2: is a good segue to this, you know. Shout out
Speaker 2: to our brother Jamal Bowman from the Bronx.
Speaker 4: He is unveiled the new Congressional hip Hop Power and
Speaker 4: Justice Task Force. The goal of the newly formed group
Speaker 4: will use hip hop's messaging of building a more equitable
Speaker 4: society to help spearhead initiatives to address economic inequality, affordable housing,
Speaker 4: and racial justice imperatives.
Speaker 2: So that's going to be something we look forward to.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Real Boom, may we get did we
Speaker 2: have has been? Well? He was on what was formerly know,
Speaker 2: so we get on us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot to talk to him about.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of he's on for election re election,
Speaker 4: so we definitely need to have him up here. And also,
Speaker 4: you know, I'll still be doing my I don't get
Speaker 4: it because.
Speaker 2: It's so much sh it. I just don't get the
Speaker 2: world period, So.
Speaker 4: I'll definitely never get rid of my mind. I don't
Speaker 4: get a segment, and that pretty much it beat the
Speaker 4: sum up how we do our new team. So it's
Speaker 4: gonna be a lot of building. You're gonna see different things.
Speaker 4: We're gonna get your opinion, what you like, what you
Speaker 4: don't like, and we want you to be honest with
Speaker 4: us because we do not want to do what we
Speaker 4: do not want to have a show. Give me honest,
Speaker 4: I take it.
Speaker 1: You make you read the messages.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait now. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the email. But that's why you don't send me,
Speaker 2: email me a message.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You send me a message,
Speaker 4: I get an emails. It's not it's not so accessible
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 2: So I guess I mean, you know.
Speaker 1: What, I'm really excited, fantastic.
Speaker 2: I'm not excited all of the team of everybody.
Speaker 3: That work together and shout out to to a toy
Speaker 3: Bond and Sister t Sha. Who are they behind the
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Speaker 1: It out, making it happen. For it's a bunch of folks.
Speaker 1: Anastasia bridgets in the back. I forget what's your name?
Speaker 3: Well, and of course the head the Mothership is being
Speaker 3: managed by genis.
Speaker 2: Jennie niece over here running the ship. She's keeping me,
Speaker 2: keeping me.
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