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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Monday, October tenth, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: Season eighteen, Episode and forty seven. Welcome to the latest
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Speaker 1: is just becoming a normal thing. On Monday's Cowboys win
Speaker 1: another game. They beat the Los Angeles Rams twenty two
Speaker 1: to ten. They have now run the gauntlet on the
Speaker 1: two Super Bowl teams, beat both of them within a
Speaker 1: matter of three weeks, four weeks, so doing really well.
Speaker 1: And we'll start where we start on typically on Mondays.
Speaker 1: What was the story of the game. Let's start with you, Nick.
Speaker 1: The defense is just nasty. I mean, that's just what
Speaker 1: we wanted them to be all year. We thought they
Speaker 1: were going to be a team that the Cowboys could
Speaker 1: lean on, and we thought that it would be because
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is a badass and they're leaning on the defense.
Speaker 1: He's been a badass. They're actually scoring points and yet
Speaker 1: they still refuse to give up more points than they
Speaker 1: did the week before, and that's five weeks in a row.
Speaker 1: It was awesome, and there's a lot of other storylines there,
Speaker 1: but I'll just still the easy one. I think Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons and I wrote it. I think Michael Parsons is
Speaker 1: the best defensive player in football. I think I think
Speaker 1: the torch was passed on this day, and I think
Speaker 1: he's he's the best. Knock him off, although the other
Speaker 1: one was pretty dub done, pretty damn good. Let's say
Speaker 1: it's pretty good and he dominates that defensive line, but
Speaker 1: this guy dominates the front seven. Can play him anywhere
Speaker 1: on the front seven. I never saw Aaron Donald go
Speaker 1: up and guard Charles, even though we probably could have.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying this guy is actually more versatile than
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Right now, ab what you got, nobody can
Speaker 1: stop us? Oh gosh, Philadelphia. Now I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, defense it's just it's so impressive what
Speaker 1: the score ends up being like, and you see the
Speaker 1: points that they have allowed, and you know, we sit
Speaker 1: here and we kind of we'll always give them credit
Speaker 1: to the defense. But when we're analyzing the next opponent,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the run defense, and we
Speaker 1: talked about you know, people on social media, I want
Speaker 1: to point out the place that Trevor and Diggs does
Speaker 1: give up and think say that. I'm like, okay, what's
Speaker 1: the end result of what they're giving y'all take that
Speaker 1: all day long. So it's just it's if it's freaking
Speaker 1: great because I haven't been here with the defense that
Speaker 1: plays the way that they're playing. We got a little
Speaker 1: taste of that last year, well pretty decent taste last year,
Speaker 1: but the way they're playing this year and under another
Speaker 1: year with Dan Quinn and what he's doing with all
Speaker 1: their player and again, it's just it's the fact that
Speaker 1: it's not just one player. It's not one player, it's
Speaker 1: all of them making plays. A week after week you
Speaker 1: get different guys standing out. So that's what's more impressive
Speaker 1: to me and more amazing and fun to watch all
Speaker 1: the time. This team got ten first downs for the day.
Speaker 1: They haven't won a game since I think it was
Speaker 1: November first of nineteen seventy was the last time they
Speaker 1: did that. It wasn't alive. Yeah, they only got that
Speaker 1: day that day the Philadelphi Eagles. They got only ten
Speaker 1: first downs or less than one a game the last
Speaker 1: time that has happened. Here, Your offense, your defensive lines
Speaker 1: are really really good. I mean, the defensive analysis here
Speaker 1: is very good. This offense isn't turning over the football,
Speaker 1: and you would think with your backup quarterback that that
Speaker 1: could be a problem. And they're really doing a very
Speaker 1: good job of not giving opponents the short fields and
Speaker 1: things like that. With the turnovers, they realize the offense
Speaker 1: realizes that there really are good defensively, they run the
Speaker 1: ball effectively. When we get to who's your player of
Speaker 1: the game, I got my guy in mind for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and it's not a defensive player. But they're doing a
Speaker 1: great job of just saying, you know what, we're good
Speaker 1: enough on special teams, we're good enough playing defense, and
Speaker 1: if we don't f it up on offense, we're going
Speaker 1: to be okay in these things. And that's how they've
Speaker 1: managed to do this and to Kellen Moore, Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush, you know, I mean Cooper Rush along the way,
Speaker 1: made some really good throws and had some bad drops.
Speaker 1: Some real I mean, if you if you go back
Speaker 1: and you look at the Lamb drop on third down,
Speaker 1: you know, the Michael Gallup drop. I mean, he put
Speaker 1: the ball where it needed to be. But this guy
Speaker 1: is refusing even when he gets sacked or gets hit,
Speaker 1: He's holding onto the ball. He's not forcing it into
Speaker 1: some spots. And that's where I think that this team
Speaker 1: is benefiting the most. That now there's going to come
Speaker 1: a point in time where you're gonna have to move
Speaker 1: the ball and you're gonna have to be able to
Speaker 1: be able to sustain drives because your guys are starting
Speaker 1: to get nicked up a little bit, your best players
Speaker 1: starting to get nicked up, and you know, so to
Speaker 1: put it all on them, I don't think you could
Speaker 1: do that right now. But man, this offense is doing
Speaker 1: a good job of protecting that football. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. He was ten of sixteen, sixty two percent
Speaker 1: completion rate, one hundred and two yards pass. Not a
Speaker 1: great day on the If you look at just the
Speaker 1: raw numbers of that he had three he was sacked
Speaker 1: three times, had an eighty point seven rating. Um. Overall, Brian,
Speaker 1: you gave us your opinion. Amber and Nick, I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear from you. What were your what was your
Speaker 1: assessment of Cooper Rushing what he was able to do yesterday?
Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't f it up. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's what it is. That's what I mean Brian is saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't he didn't do a lot. He
Speaker 1: didn't have to do a lot. And that's that's the
Speaker 1: key I mean. And that's that's the argument that you know,
Speaker 1: old Dad can do this and all that day and
Speaker 1: of course Dad could do could could he can do this?
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's what he He can easily go
Speaker 1: out and run an offense like that. I thought. I
Speaker 1: thought Rush played a lot better than his stats show. Um,
Speaker 1: you're right about those throws, you know, in the second half. Now,
Speaker 1: But I will say this the offensive line. They they
Speaker 1: they did their job, They really did. They They it
Speaker 1: was a it was tough sledding out there, but man
Speaker 1: for them to keep running it the way they did
Speaker 1: and protected him. Um, you know, I thought you're dealing
Speaker 1: with a guy and Aaron Donald who moves all around.
Speaker 1: But I thought all of them had had moments of
Speaker 1: playing really well. And like Brian said about Rush, he
Speaker 1: doesn't fumble, it doesn't throw the picks. He tries sometimes
Speaker 1: throw that interception ball just nobody wants it, but some
Speaker 1: of those in almost every game where it just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: In that first half, I didn't think he was it
Speaker 1: was as good. He missed some throws there. Second half though,
Speaker 1: everything was pretty much on the money. That ball to
Speaker 1: to gallop down the sideline, I mean, that was a
Speaker 1: beautiful throw. Now, of course the catch was amazing, but
Speaker 1: he throws the ball really well down. I just thought,
Speaker 1: you know, they're not asking him to do a lot.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do a lot, and he's doing
Speaker 1: just enough. Yeah, he's doing a great job so far
Speaker 1: as a backup quarterback. And I mean there's a reason
Speaker 1: why he's a bike up quarterback. So he's doing what
Speaker 1: you need him to do to kind of keep this
Speaker 1: team afloat and the offense moving. But I'm at the
Speaker 1: point where now I'm like, Okay, I'm ready to see
Speaker 1: Dak back in the team. I'm ready to see what
Speaker 1: he can do with this offense get more points because
Speaker 1: we're at that spot where, Okay, yes it's great for
Speaker 1: the defense to be playing the way that they are,
Speaker 1: but now we need the offense to do a little
Speaker 1: something more for the defense. So I'm ready. I'm past
Speaker 1: the whole thought. You know, I was kind of entertaining
Speaker 1: in my head nick thought a few weeks ago of
Speaker 1: like I'm sticking with the guy who's winning. Well, now
Speaker 1: I'm past that and I'm ready to play. Yeah it
Speaker 1: sounds like, oh yeah, kind of like that, but yes,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to have Dak back on this because it
Speaker 1: makes me wonder, Okay, how much more can they score?
Speaker 1: And we know Dak. I don't think his level of
Speaker 1: playing is completely like, I don't think that game was
Speaker 1: a good reflection of what he really is the first
Speaker 1: game of the season. So I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: him back, and I'm wondering when that's gonna be. If
Speaker 1: we'll see if he has a full practice this week,
Speaker 1: but I would imagine we're kind of getting to that
Speaker 1: point where he's gonna be back into action. Yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I just yeah. I think Ambar and Nick both are
Speaker 1: right about that the thing. The thing with Dak and
Speaker 1: this week will be. I think if Dak had thrown
Speaker 1: the ball last week, or we'd heard about, you know, practices.
Speaker 1: You guys live in this building, you live with the players,
Speaker 1: you understand all this. You start to hear whispers and
Speaker 1: I had a good week throwing the ball. Somebody to
Speaker 1: walk up to you. That just hasn't been the case.
Speaker 1: The fact that he has another visit with the doctor
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday and not on a Monday, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of because maybe it's an off day and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I think there's probably another week away, you know.
Speaker 1: I just haven't heard that for sure. But I wasn't
Speaker 1: hearing anything like man last week he threw the ball. Well,
Speaker 1: I think he's going to need more than just the
Speaker 1: normal practices this week in order to get ready for
Speaker 1: this game. Yeah. I think that's the part that if
Speaker 1: you look at at what Cooper Rush did this last game,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that will be enough against Philadelphia because
Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia has a better I don't think their
Speaker 1: receivers are better than that receiver that you saw he's
Speaker 1: all yesterday, but I think as an offense, I think
Speaker 1: they are better or offense um, and I do think
Speaker 1: this will be a game where you may need a
Speaker 1: little bit more than what you were able to get yesterday.
Speaker 1: And I'm a little concerned about that part of whether
Speaker 1: Cooper can really step up this offense, get this offense
Speaker 1: operated a little bit better. Like the running game was good,
Speaker 1: but you need the passing game to give you some
Speaker 1: of that too when you're playing a better offense that
Speaker 1: also has a good defense. By the way, what's what's
Speaker 1: the highest I'm trying to think how many touchdown we've scored,
Speaker 1: Like what has been the most in one game, not
Speaker 1: field goals or anything. Two touchdowns two for the two
Speaker 1: against the Bengals and two against the Giants. The highest
Speaker 1: points they've had offensively, they've been twenty five in a game, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that would be I would I know
Speaker 1: Dak's average was was high lash higher than that for sure.
Speaker 1: Now part of that was you gotta and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you want to take stuff out, but you
Speaker 1: want to start looking at you can you can make
Speaker 1: the argument that some of those games against the NFC East,
Speaker 1: particularly that last game where they scored just fifty one,
Speaker 1: they caught, they caught, they caught the Commanders for fifty
Speaker 1: and they caught the Eagles, and the Eagles didn't play
Speaker 1: most of the guys for that game. So that kind
Speaker 1: of game, like, if you want to take that, you can.
Speaker 1: But fact the matter is Dak throughout his career and
Speaker 1: certainly last year was averaging more than than what they're
Speaker 1: averaging right now offensively as far as points, I do
Speaker 1: believe the offense gets better with Dak. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: that being said, like it's just a matter of you're
Speaker 1: doing what you need to do. I think you put
Speaker 1: it perfectly amber he as a backup quarterback. He's doing
Speaker 1: what a backup quarterback should do. A really good backup
Speaker 1: quarterback should be able to find a way to just
Speaker 1: give you enough so you don't lose in those games
Speaker 1: where you're just trying to maintain without your start. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what he's doing right now. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: thought one thing that really helped him was on first
Speaker 1: down that Cowboys did a nice job running the football.
Speaker 1: Never I just looked this up. The average seven point
Speaker 1: eight yards a pop on first down running the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now they had a big run in there, but with Pollard,
Speaker 1: but but that was that was and that play was
Speaker 1: absolutely well blocked. I mean by everybody. Everybody across the
Speaker 1: line did a good job on the field too. Down
Speaker 1: the field, yeah, I mean, hender shot and Phoko down
Speaker 1: there blocking. And that's another thing. When Phoco's in the game,
Speaker 1: game like, it's probably gonna be a run. I mean that,
Speaker 1: that's what they typically show. He just taking over the
Speaker 1: Noah Brown rule right right like over here. So maybe
Speaker 1: five years from now he will be actually pretty good. Yeah, yeah, this,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about it last week on the show.
Speaker 1: The way to attack this RAM defense was to run
Speaker 1: the football at them that you know they want to
Speaker 1: get up field and all that. And I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did a good job overall of getting hat on
Speaker 1: hat and then making some very physical runs in this game.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that running game a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Zeke was twenty two carries for seventy eight yards or
Speaker 1: three point five average. At one point. Seemed like he
Speaker 1: was every time he tested the balls five yards. I
Speaker 1: hate to seem like he was just bulldozing his way
Speaker 1: to five yards. Paulard had eight for eighty six ten
Speaker 1: point eight average. With the big fifty seven yard TD
Speaker 1: he is the home run hitter and very very adept
Speaker 1: at that role for this team. That all being said,
Speaker 1: with a great defense an efficient running game, do you
Speaker 1: think Dallas really can match up with any team in
Speaker 1: the NFL matchup? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, because as what they
Speaker 1: can do is if they can get you in a
Speaker 1: situation where you have where you're you're you say, you
Speaker 1: have a negative play, you know, and you're now you're
Speaker 1: second and twelve or you know, you're second and ten,
Speaker 1: because they can now you know, teams, not all teams
Speaker 1: are willing to run the ball on second and ten,
Speaker 1: you know, because Dallas is going to get you in
Speaker 1: that situation and they're going to come after you. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they could play against anybody bye bye if they keep you.
Speaker 1: I was worried about this game where the Rams would
Speaker 1: stay with ahead of the chains, you know, because they
Speaker 1: don't get penalized. And then you had a crew. Bill
Speaker 1: Vinovitch's crew doesn't call a lot of penalties. So it's thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you get how do you get the Rams
Speaker 1: into some negative yarded situations? And the Cowboys did a
Speaker 1: great job of choking the run. They had some tackles
Speaker 1: for losses and stuff like that. So yeah, as long
Speaker 1: as the running game doesn't have an effect in a
Speaker 1: positive way, Dallas could beat anybody in this league. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm coming to the realization of, like, okay,
Speaker 1: we don't need splashy, flashy plays from the running game
Speaker 1: all the time kind of how you know, back to
Speaker 1: when Zeke got here. I think I still have that
Speaker 1: in my head of like, Okay, this running game can
Speaker 1: possibly look like that again, but take out Tony Poler's
Speaker 1: run the long one for the touch them the running game.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it can work the way it went down,
Speaker 1: like then running the ball in that way not necessarily
Speaker 1: us or I should speak for myself, but me expecting, okay,
Speaker 1: when when is it gonna happen that Zeke is gonna
Speaker 1: have that flashy play where you keep expecting them to
Speaker 1: run for over five more yards if that's the average,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like, Okay, this can work, and
Speaker 1: it can create that balance that we keep talking about
Speaker 1: between the running game and the passing game. So I
Speaker 1: think I'm at that point where I'm like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: this running game can be effective with Zeke and Tony Polar. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Tony Polar kind of gives you more speed in that
Speaker 1: way of him being able to skate, but for him
Speaker 1: to do that, you also need a guy like Zeke
Speaker 1: doing what he's doing as well. So it's just mum
Speaker 1: burying the thought of like my expectations and realizing that
Speaker 1: this is okay enough and you add the pretty nice
Speaker 1: passing game with Dak Prescott coming back, expecting that I
Speaker 1: think it can. It can work really well balanced out
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah. I think a lot of people have
Speaker 1: to remember too. When you get Dak back, whatever point
Speaker 1: that comes, hopefully you still got Michael Gallop in the lineup,
Speaker 1: and as we saw yesterday, he is a big play
Speaker 1: type receiver that they didn't have the benefit of in
Speaker 1: Week one. You add him to ceedee Lamb. You got
Speaker 1: Noah Brown kind of adding a little bit into that mix.
Speaker 1: I think you got a good enough wide receiver crew
Speaker 1: to where you can if you're just averaging let's say
Speaker 1: you're averaging twenty points without Dak, I think you can
Speaker 1: push that average up to about a touchdown war with
Speaker 1: Dak and these these receivers that he didn't have on
Speaker 1: Week one. So the last two weeks thought Volts hadn't
Speaker 1: been a factory exact catch. So I think there's some
Speaker 1: I think there's plenty of reason to believe this offense
Speaker 1: will be much more effective and efficient in the passing
Speaker 1: game once Dak is back. All Right, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our first break. When we come back, we want to
Speaker 1: talk about the offensive line, particularly Tyler Smith. He has
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Speaker 1: Tyler Smith. As I said before the break he's really
Speaker 1: had I think one of the best opening quarters of
Speaker 1: the season of anybody on the team. He's been really impressive,
Speaker 1: especially when you put it in the context of he
Speaker 1: is a rookie making his first start and didn't even
Speaker 1: do this playing left tackle most of the time that
Speaker 1: he's been with the Cowboys during the offseason. That being said,
Speaker 1: yesterday he faces what Nick thinks is the second best
Speaker 1: defensive player in the league in Aaron Donald and uh,
Speaker 1: and you gotta stick with that, um and and Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald covered the Rams and I don't have to go
Speaker 1: in the locker room in the Rams locker room, but
Speaker 1: you talked to you talked to Tyler Smith after the game.
Speaker 1: What was his demeanor because it was a game where
Speaker 1: I mean, he had two two situations where he kind
Speaker 1: of let Donald buy Donald forced to fumble, He had
Speaker 1: two holding calls. I think it was against Donald. It
Speaker 1: was a tough day for him. What was his demeanor
Speaker 1: like after the game? A guy that that just when,
Speaker 1: you know, got a lesson, but he understood and he
Speaker 1: and you know, I think he's excited about learning from it.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be really good because mentally, he
Speaker 1: doesn't get down on himself, and he's and he's he
Speaker 1: takes coaching. The guy that coached him the most yesterday
Speaker 1: was Jason Peters. Jason Peters off to the side, helped him.
Speaker 1: Of course, he's got a rib injury. We'll see how
Speaker 1: how long that's gonna be. But I thought he, you know,
Speaker 1: he understood what he was doing wrong. He had a
Speaker 1: guy he could kind of lean on the sideline, came
Speaker 1: back I thought he cleaned it up a little bit,
Speaker 1: and let's not forget and I put this as one
Speaker 1: of my five plays. Gives up a sack, gets a
Speaker 1: holding penalty, which you obviously wasn't holding very well because
Speaker 1: this guy got a sack. Quarterback fumbles. He recovers that
Speaker 1: fumble that could have been a huge, huge change there
Speaker 1: for the Rams. So I thought that was big. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were talking to him last night. He said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the least I could do in that situation to get
Speaker 1: the ball on the ball. He's like, at least I
Speaker 1: could get the ball, And you're right. I love his demeanor,
Speaker 1: the way he approaches it, Like there are a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that can get really down on themselves, and
Speaker 1: it's easy when you got everybody telling you, you know
Speaker 1: how bad you did, and you saw how bad you did,
Speaker 1: like you can get down yourself. But it sounded to
Speaker 1: me like he's the kind of guy has the right
Speaker 1: kind of mentality. Yeah, and he can watched y'all twenty
Speaker 1: two and he probably did on the way home, and
Speaker 1: he could watch an all Pro Hall of Fame right
Speaker 1: guard have struggles with him too. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean that it wasn't easy it wasn't easy for Zack
Speaker 1: Martin in that game. The guy that played him the
Speaker 1: absolute best was Connor McGovern. Connor McGovern, it's crazy to
Speaker 1: say that a guy that's not really the best athlete
Speaker 1: but kind of a maller brawler kind of guy gives
Speaker 1: him the most problems. And that's the thing about it
Speaker 1: was there were a couple of times the long run
Speaker 1: we mentioned the scoop blocks were really really good, but
Speaker 1: when it came down to just him having to deal
Speaker 1: with with Donald's quickness, he kind of powered him and
Speaker 1: then it got him kind of off balance. But you
Speaker 1: you watch, like I say, it wasn't you know. I
Speaker 1: felt like that Tyler Smith got better as the game
Speaker 1: went on when that matchup kind of came his way.
Speaker 1: It's the first two. It was like, the very first
Speaker 1: Snappy had against him was the you know, oh damn moment.
Speaker 1: You know that that was, and then the second one
Speaker 1: was another oh damn moment. But after that it was
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, okay. But you can watch Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald walk Zach Martin back into Cooper Rush as he's
Speaker 1: trying to throw the ball over to ceedee lamb, you know,
Speaker 1: and it short hops was his first pass when yeah,
Speaker 1: you could see Martin. You could see Martin really struggling
Speaker 1: to even sit down on him, and Connor McGovern was
Speaker 1: kind of a you know, fighting him and knocking him
Speaker 1: around a little bit. And I thought that if you
Speaker 1: ask me for you know, you could say player of
Speaker 1: the game, Parsons and this and that. Give me what
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern was able to do against a guy that
Speaker 1: is just an absolute pain in the ass to deal
Speaker 1: with when on that inside rush, Yeah, it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: And going back to Tyler Smith, I remember when those
Speaker 1: couple of plays happened. I was in the press box
Speaker 1: of being like, Okay, well there we go. Donald found
Speaker 1: his spot and he's gonna go at him every snap.
Speaker 1: And it didn't really go down that way, didn't materialize
Speaker 1: that way. They kept consistent with how they move it,
Speaker 1: and they started and they started the game. The first
Speaker 1: five or six snapps were against Zack Morton and then
Speaker 1: finally they moved him over and then they started playing
Speaker 1: him on the shoulder of Connor McGovern, and Connor McGovern's
Speaker 1: eyes got really really big and then he was battling
Speaker 1: him over there. But when they had to run the ball,
Speaker 1: and it was those two guys handling those guys over there.
Speaker 1: They were up to the task that those first two
Speaker 1: snaps for for Tyler Smith were like, oh geez, my
Speaker 1: life is about to become a living hell. And they
Speaker 1: moved him away and he kind of like, okay, and
Speaker 1: catch a break, now, catch a breath here. Well, so yeah,
Speaker 1: that when I talked to Zach after the game, he
Speaker 1: mentioned that, he said they do a good job of
Speaker 1: moving Donald around, but they don't want to keep him
Speaker 1: on the outside. And I even tweeted that too, because
Speaker 1: I said, well, they use that to your advantage. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna just go up against Tyler Smith all day
Speaker 1: on the left side, then we're just gonna run over here,
Speaker 1: like we're just gonna run, I mean, and you can't
Speaker 1: have your best player always on the side. That's why
Speaker 1: Mica Parsons moves around like that too, And so you know,
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that was that was bad for
Speaker 1: Tyler for a little bit, but he did settle down
Speaker 1: and then other guys got it, got a you know,
Speaker 1: hat on a hat on him too. Yeah, everybody did
Speaker 1: a good job when those first two were just yeah,
Speaker 1: you close your eyes and you know, when you go
Speaker 1: back and you know, maybe you know, five six years
Speaker 1: from now, Tyler Smith will go, hey, what was it
Speaker 1: like to play against Sarah Donald? Oh, let me tell
Speaker 1: you man that you know, and then he'll have that
Speaker 1: moment where he can recall. But you know, he once
Speaker 1: those two plays went away, they did a much better
Speaker 1: job of dealing with him. I bet you Larry Allen
Speaker 1: won more battles against Reggie White in his career, but
Speaker 1: I can promise you his rookie year, Reggie White threw him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he threw him like ten fifteen yards this way. Um,
Speaker 1: Larry probably won a lot more as the time time
Speaker 1: went on. But but well, you know, you have your
Speaker 1: moments like that. It's funny you say that the guy
Speaker 1: that gave Larry Allen actually gave Reggie White the most
Speaker 1: problems was Eric Williams, who's a baller brawler type of
Speaker 1: a guy. Just a tough guy, hitching the throw, poke
Speaker 1: in the eye, hitching the lower area. You know that
Speaker 1: kind of guy. Yeah, you look at in the growing,
Speaker 1: you look at at at Tyrant's during his rookie year.
Speaker 1: You remember how DeMarcus was kind of treating him like that,
Speaker 1: and it was you know that that's just the nature
Speaker 1: of it. When you're young and you're coming in you
Speaker 1: have to deal with some of these guys that are
Speaker 1: vets and heading towards the Hall of Fame like it's
Speaker 1: going to be a challenge. Do you wear and Tyrans?
Speaker 1: Say Tyler? I said Tyrant meeting Tyrant? Okay, well, in
Speaker 1: my mind I was a thinking too of Tyring and Tank. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: then you know he threw Tank around and broke his
Speaker 1: foot from ten weeks And that's just the nature of it.
Speaker 1: You're coming in the league, you gotta deal with these vets,
Speaker 1: like you find out this is a grown man league.
Speaker 1: These a grown man have been doing this and know
Speaker 1: how to do it really well, and you got to
Speaker 1: get catch up to it. And that's why I think
Speaker 1: the demeanor is so important. How And that's why I
Speaker 1: asked me a question, because how how Tyler's demeanor is
Speaker 1: will be will dictate probably how successfully can be when
Speaker 1: you have to face those kind of moments and how
Speaker 1: you rebound her those I want to again, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say again this is another week that of another
Speaker 1: example of the players how we talk about that are very,
Speaker 1: very talented around the NFL. That at the end of
Speaker 1: the game, like they they didn't completely dominate you or
Speaker 1: kill you, so you live to talk about it. Yes,
Speaker 1: you didn't. You didn't have to drop back, you know,
Speaker 1: save the equipment, dig a. Did you know you didn't
Speaker 1: have to do that? You manage you Actually you walk off,
Speaker 1: but you're thinking, I never want to play against that
Speaker 1: guy again. But you live to tell about Liz. You're
Speaker 1: walking on your own two legs on your way to
Speaker 1: the buses and everything. So yeah, and your sandwich, get
Speaker 1: on the bus and go for it. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: still again impressive, impressive that they're just having killed them completely.
Speaker 1: I do want to stick with offensive line and talk
Speaker 1: about somebody we haven't talked about in weeks, and that's
Speaker 1: probably a good thing. But what did you guys think
Speaker 1: of Terrence Steele's play? Because I just, honestly, I'm not
Speaker 1: noticing him, which is a great thing for a tackle
Speaker 1: if you're not really noticing him. I'm the I'm the
Speaker 1: folk on the panel here that probably has the biggest
Speaker 1: problem with him, and he is. I think he's a
Speaker 1: much better run blocker than he's a pass blocker because
Speaker 1: there's things that happen to him too. His technique gets
Speaker 1: broken down as well. But when you watch him the
Speaker 1: last several weeks, he has not been the reason why
Speaker 1: you've struggled in pass protection or in run block. I
Speaker 1: mean he's he's done a really good job. And I
Speaker 1: kind of felt like that that with with Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: playing quarterback, the little bit of lack of mobility, that
Speaker 1: there would be more issues there that he would get
Speaker 1: driven back. He's played a little bit more power than
Speaker 1: I thought he would play with. And so yeah, the
Speaker 1: when he when he run blocks, he's really good when
Speaker 1: the ball goes away, and he's athletic enough to make
Speaker 1: that cut off or the reach block on the outside.
Speaker 1: These young tight ends are helping him too with some
Speaker 1: of the blocks at the point of attacks. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't you know, I can't complain about him. And
Speaker 1: and he was I wasn't concerned about left guard or
Speaker 1: left tackle. I was concerned about the right tackle. But
Speaker 1: he's playing a lot better than I believed. He's so
Speaker 1: good for him, And give Joe Filan a credit for
Speaker 1: getting not done. No, you're not gonna penalty penalty penalty calls.
Speaker 1: You're not um. He's not really allowing sa sacked. So
Speaker 1: to your point, Derek, it's one of those that you
Speaker 1: don't really notice. That's a good Yeah, that's that's a
Speaker 1: good thing. Like no problem, keep doing you and you know,
Speaker 1: as long as we don't keep seeing his name being
Speaker 1: called on a penalty hole or something like that, then
Speaker 1: keep at it. Yeah, I was it's interesting because you
Speaker 1: look at this at what Philbin has done since he
Speaker 1: got here, and I know he's taken some criticism at times,
Speaker 1: but man, he has developed some guys that on a
Speaker 1: lot of teams probably are guys that running the door.
Speaker 1: You keep him for a couple of years and you
Speaker 1: eventually let him go. And you think about Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: now starting mcgovernor now starting as you said, like McGovern's
Speaker 1: getting to the point where he's getting really good at guard.
Speaker 1: He held off Tyler Smith throughout the entire camp, and
Speaker 1: he's getting to a point where I think he is
Speaker 1: he is making a case, whether it's going to be
Speaker 1: here or somewhere else, he's going to be a starter
Speaker 1: in the league at God. Yeah, it wasn't pretty form
Speaker 1: against the commanders, but it wasn't pretty for many of
Speaker 1: those guys inside against that crew, and they'll have a
Speaker 1: chance another again. Pretty good guy exactly. And that's the
Speaker 1: thing about it is sometimes those maller brawler guys, that
Speaker 1: just takes them a little bit time to kind of
Speaker 1: get back in the flow of being that type of
Speaker 1: a mauler brawler guy. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our final break, comeback. We're gonna flip over to the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Man. There's some means to
Speaker 1: talk about there well that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: and now it's time to talk about the defense. This
Speaker 1: defense is remarkable. Check out some of the numbers from yesterday.
Speaker 1: Here's the most important part to me. They stopped the run,
Speaker 1: which they had not been doing in a lot of
Speaker 1: their games earlier this season. They only allowed thirty eight
Speaker 1: yards on fifteen attempts at two point five average. I
Speaker 1: do think the Rams probably gave up on their run
Speaker 1: a little bit early. I probably would have stuck with
Speaker 1: it a little bit more, see if I could pop one,
Speaker 1: but they did not until credit to Cowboys defense, they
Speaker 1: only allowed ten points. This is the first time since
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two if the Cowboys have allowed under twenty
Speaker 1: points in the first five games of the season. That
Speaker 1: goes back to my birth year that they have done that.
Speaker 1: That is amazing. This defense is doing some really remarkable things.
Speaker 1: Five sacks, eleven quarterback hits. They had three turnovers yesterday,
Speaker 1: which is something that hadn't really been a part of
Speaker 1: their game this year. Last year it was a big
Speaker 1: part of their defense. Wasn't something you would think is
Speaker 1: sustainable year over year, and they're doing it a different
Speaker 1: way this year. But yesterday they did get those turnovers.
Speaker 1: That all being said, talk to me about some of
Speaker 1: the standout players yesterday, who stood out most to you
Speaker 1: yesterday on the defensive side of the ball, And there
Speaker 1: are a lot of answers to this. I wanted to
Speaker 1: mention Dorian's armstrong. I think the job that he's doing
Speaker 1: and what he's doing with all the opportunities that he's
Speaker 1: been given since Randy Gregory's departure has been incredible. Yeah bye,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's a guy that you know when he
Speaker 1: came in, he showed some talent initially when he first
Speaker 1: got here, and I remember de Marcus Lawrence. He actually
Speaker 1: kind of took him under his wing and was kind
Speaker 1: of mentoring him along the way. And there was a
Speaker 1: point there where I was just like, hmm, I wonder
Speaker 1: what de Marcus sees in him? Because I respect de
Speaker 1: Marcus a lot, and at that point, de Marcus was
Speaker 1: pretty hot in his game. So it just I knew
Speaker 1: there was a reason, because nobody just randomly takes you
Speaker 1: under your wing if they don't see something in you.
Speaker 1: So again, I love the way. I love the fact
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have stuck with him, and because I
Speaker 1: think he's a guy that could have easily been gone
Speaker 1: already and he hasn't. He's taken eventually. It's just impressive.
Speaker 1: What he's doing on the defense and what he's doing
Speaker 1: on special teams. It's incredible. So I applaud him and
Speaker 1: I think he's doing an amazing job. Yeah for me,
Speaker 1: the guy I mean, other than of course Micah, but
Speaker 1: the guy I thought played a great game, Maybe the
Speaker 1: best of his career was Osa dig Zua. I thought
Speaker 1: he he was. You know, he's the UCLA guys. He's
Speaker 1: playing back home again or at least you know, college area. Um.
Speaker 1: And he was a menace in the backfield. I mean
Speaker 1: he had four quarterback hits and a couple tackles for
Speaker 1: loss in a sack. Yeah, good job for osa O Dighizuwa.
Speaker 1: It's always gotta say it. That was you know how
Speaker 1: to spell? Yeah, got that right. Um. This was a
Speaker 1: really really good game for Sam Williams. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: And Sam Williams was thrown into action extensive when Mica
Speaker 1: started getting hurt, when Mica was starting to come up
Speaker 1: a little bit limpy, and you know, and so that
Speaker 1: in itself you had to have somebody that was going
Speaker 1: to pick up the pick up the rush, work on
Speaker 1: the twists, through those types of things. You know, you
Speaker 1: got to have somebody If MICA's this guy that's always attacking.
Speaker 1: Sam Williams took it upon himself to be the attacker.
Speaker 1: He went after it and in this game, and I
Speaker 1: was really I was impressed by the way that he
Speaker 1: was able to play and how physical and they stand
Speaker 1: him up like you know, Mica stands up and rushes.
Speaker 1: Sometimes Sam puts his hand down. But this time they
Speaker 1: took Sam and stood him up and played him in
Speaker 1: that role, and he really did a nice job doing that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you another guy too when you get
Speaker 1: to watch the All twenty two, and he's not going
Speaker 1: to show up on the stat sheet. Carlos Watkins played
Speaker 1: a really really good football game for you there too.
Speaker 1: And he was one of those guys that elevated off
Speaker 1: the practice squad and he went in there a defensive
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what he was when it came
Speaker 1: to defending the run. When it came to some of
Speaker 1: the pressure that he was able to get the push
Speaker 1: they were able to middle, get in the pocket, the
Speaker 1: twist game stuff he was really really good at. Again,
Speaker 1: he's not going to show up in your box score,
Speaker 1: but when you watch the tape, it's very much that
Speaker 1: that Ah there is there is again trying to tip
Speaker 1: balls going up, you know, helping you know, taking blockers
Speaker 1: with him is so the linebackers can flow and go
Speaker 1: get the go get the ball man. Him and Sam
Speaker 1: Williams were the two guys that really to me kind
Speaker 1: of jumped out as like, okay, and this is why
Speaker 1: they're winning these games with defense, because it's not all
Speaker 1: about Parsons and Digs and vander ash and these guys.
Speaker 1: It's it's guys that are filling in that are having
Speaker 1: to play because Quentin Bohan is not active. You know,
Speaker 1: That's what this team has done. It's taken backup players
Speaker 1: and finding ways to win football games. Talk to me
Speaker 1: about something, Bryant when you mentioned Sam Williams and something
Speaker 1: that I feel like I've noticed and we've talked about
Speaker 1: him being kind of his game being a little too
Speaker 1: reckless at times and him needing to clear. I feel
Speaker 1: that this past couple of games, especially this last one,
Speaker 1: that's something that I've seen like incredible growth and improvement
Speaker 1: in I don't know if there's something specific that you
Speaker 1: were able to see from him and his gaming, the
Speaker 1: way that he's quickly been able to kind of show
Speaker 1: some growth in that aspect of thing. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where the coaches probably got
Speaker 1: with him and said, we're not going to play if
Speaker 1: we can't trust you get you know, you can't get
Speaker 1: stupid penalties. You can't get roughing the pass or personal
Speaker 1: foul or lining up off sides or anything like that.
Speaker 1: If you want to play. You've got to do it
Speaker 1: the way we're going to to teach you. Yesterday they
Speaker 1: threw him again in the deep end of the pool
Speaker 1: and said, go swim. You know, either gonna drown or swim.
Speaker 1: And you know, that's just the trust. You know, when
Speaker 1: you when you get when you you know how it
Speaker 1: is when when people trust you to do the job,
Speaker 1: you do a better job of it. When you're when
Speaker 1: you don't feel that way, When you don't feel like that,
Speaker 1: now they don't care, and then you're you're sloppy with
Speaker 1: the way you perform. I think he was sloppy. I
Speaker 1: think there was things at Mississippi that he was just
Speaker 1: such a naturally good player that they just kind of
Speaker 1: let it go. Here. You got to play within the scheme.
Speaker 1: You can't get stupid penalties. And if we ask you
Speaker 1: to rush the passer or run on the pick, you
Speaker 1: got to set the pick and get somebody else home.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's where he's kind of learning
Speaker 1: along the way, is that watching these guys play. Watch
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lords and you're all twenty two on the tackle
Speaker 1: he makes on the third down, and I think it's
Speaker 1: third and eighteen, and they get they throw the ball
Speaker 1: on a screen and he comes all the way from
Speaker 1: the defensive inSpot all the way to make the tackle.
Speaker 1: With it's close, it's gonna be a near If you
Speaker 1: didn't make the tackle, it's a first down. But he
Speaker 1: runs basically fifteen yards to make the tackle that shows
Speaker 1: up on film. So if you're Sam Williams, you're like,
Speaker 1: what God dank? Look look what Tank did there. And
Speaker 1: he had a play like that too, where where he
Speaker 1: rushed the passer and then went back out back and
Speaker 1: it did a nice job that way. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and also he's he's just a few inches away from
Speaker 1: from probably making this game an absolute blowout. Now this
Speaker 1: was one sided, I thought for the most part. But
Speaker 1: give the Rams credit for I mean, that was a
Speaker 1: risky move on a fake punt right down there like that.
Speaker 1: They're down nineteen to ten or sixteen to ten, and
Speaker 1: Sam Williams saw it and and just just didn't get
Speaker 1: his hand up. And if he would have moved it
Speaker 1: over and and and bats it down, then they get
Speaker 1: the ball to twenty five yard line, maybe another field
Speaker 1: goal going in, you know, to the locker room, and
Speaker 1: then I think the game would have been on an
Speaker 1: absolute blowout. So my guy Jody Camillis, you know he
Speaker 1: I saw him before the game and you know, he said, man,
Speaker 1: we're just trying to We're just he was Joe s
Speaker 1: the Ragman. Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah, we talked
Speaker 1: about that, and you know a JFA. You know, Joe
Speaker 1: had the best he would Yeah, he wouldn't ever be
Speaker 1: able to teach Sunday school. But yeah, but but he's
Speaker 1: he's not ever gonna change. But he's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite um people ever in the NFL. Just just a
Speaker 1: real good dude and still doing it, man, still doing
Speaker 1: it for the ram I remember, I remember when I
Speaker 1: was working in the league that that Joe when he
Speaker 1: was with the Broncos and then he was with the
Speaker 1: Giants and falcon and stuff. But you had he had
Speaker 1: one of the longest reels of fake trick plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had all the trick plays. So if you wanted
Speaker 1: to ever study, Hey what are teams doing trick? Just
Speaker 1: here go get Joe D. Camillis's trick plays and you
Speaker 1: could you could pick up them, you could get them all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's that kind of guy. Talking to me
Speaker 1: about Treyvon Diggs because yesterday, of the ten points he
Speaker 1: was involved in both of those two scoring drives. Gave
Speaker 1: up the one long touchdown to Cooper Cup and then
Speaker 1: gave up the big big played at well that got
Speaker 1: them into field goal. I thought he played a really
Speaker 1: good game, honestly, go back and yeah, go back, you
Speaker 1: look at it. You can. This is a glass half
Speaker 1: full or empty type of situation. He gave up all
Speaker 1: of your points. He's the he's one of he is
Speaker 1: the reason that you gave up ten points. He's the
Speaker 1: reason you gave up ten points. Yeah, So which way
Speaker 1: is it? I mean I thought he I mean, going
Speaker 1: up against Cooper Cup, the guy makes a great catch.
Speaker 1: Great catch, by the way, that's Cooper Cup. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best receiver in the league, maybe
Speaker 1: top three, but definitely up there. I thought he probably
Speaker 1: thought there was gonna be some safety help on that
Speaker 1: deep throw. Yeah he's still there. I mean, like I
Speaker 1: but it's not like one of those situations where we
Speaker 1: were seen in the past with other players that he's like, dude,
Speaker 1: what are you doing there? Like the ball is over there,
Speaker 1: like like in all those plays Trouble and Digs is
Speaker 1: like right, there, so it's it's not like he's all
Speaker 1: the way on the other side. I'm figuring out and
Speaker 1: it's not a no offense, but it's not a Cheeto
Speaker 1: than because Cheeto was always there and they were always
Speaker 1: catching it like he but but he he knocks it
Speaker 1: down and he's got what ten PPUs more than the
Speaker 1: Packers as a team. Yeah, yeah, he leaves the NFL
Speaker 1: and PPUs. Yeah, but he's there. Yeah, yes, I think
Speaker 1: it's ninety. But he leaves. He tackled, Okay, yes he
Speaker 1: did in space. He was really good. Hooker turned the
Speaker 1: wrong way on the outwall ball. Hooker's reading it and
Speaker 1: he's they're gonna get a crosser and he turns and
Speaker 1: then he turns back the other way, which slowed him down.
Speaker 1: But perfect ball. I mean, seriously, it was a great
Speaker 1: throw to make to play. On the Cooper Cup one,
Speaker 1: they're playing what they call man freeze so that everybody's
Speaker 1: underneath has got it. And again, yeah, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now you've got guys that are getting blocked because you
Speaker 1: got all these guys running routes. They're playing man coverage
Speaker 1: free safety again, really no help with attack. And let's
Speaker 1: also be clear too. One of the hardest things to
Speaker 1: do as a cornerback in the NFL carry it across
Speaker 1: the crosser from from a receiver that can really run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Cooper Cup running across the middle and you're in
Speaker 1: man coverage. That is a hard hard thing to do.
Speaker 1: So so they give up the touchdown Cooper Cup nine
Speaker 1: thirty three to go in the second quarter, don't score
Speaker 1: another point the rest of the day. They get inside
Speaker 1: the Cowboys fifty in Cowboys field position, you know, on
Speaker 1: their side of the fifty four times, and never score
Speaker 1: that That isn't another bad hunger. Well, we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that because I want to talk about
Speaker 1: all the special teams because yesterday there were lots of
Speaker 1: special teams issues. So we're gonna talk about that tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I think that's a much bigger careful they blocked a
Speaker 1: punt they did. That's also where you want to put
Speaker 1: it in context. But but there are some bad little
Speaker 1: things that you saw yesterday that could be like that'll
Speaker 1: be the question for you, guys, is how concerned are
Speaker 1: you with those things you saw. I'll say this though, too,
Speaker 1: I don't know the other guys around the league all that.
Speaker 1: I don't know everyone's gun or depth chart, but I
Speaker 1: guarantee there's not two better ones on the team than
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys. We're gonna we're gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: way that they lined those guys up yesterday too. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm about ready to imbout, ready to place one of them. CJ. Why, Man,
Speaker 1: I don't think the guy's got the awareness. He went
Speaker 1: right by that guy on that point. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's thinking that my that my Pro Bowl punter
Speaker 1: is gonna shank at twenty two yards. I don't think
Speaker 1: you didn't think the ball was gonna be where it was.
Speaker 1: He told anybody. He told me that the guy before
Speaker 1: the play before set him up because even before the
Speaker 1: guy faked it out like it was coming up and
Speaker 1: the ball rolled into the end zone. So he was
Speaker 1: thinking that was what was happening. But Joseph, don't think
Speaker 1: is gonna throw plenty like that, Like that was Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph doing a nice shot for you, though. He really
Speaker 1: is all right, we're gonna we're gonna end the show
Speaker 1: on that, but tomorrow we are gonna pick that up.
Speaker 1: I have a lots of questions for you guys on
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