WEBVTT - Coaching Master Classes 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.040 Welcome to the solid verbal. 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:08.440 Hell that for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.639 heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.000 You want to be happy for a day at the steak? 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:19.599 Is that woo woom? And them and Tye, welcome. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.119 Back to the solid verbal boys, girls, my name is 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:27.240 ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there in beautiful Chicago, Illinois. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:29.920 I'm the only Dan Rubertstein, Sir, how are you? 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.400 I'm good, Ty. A little bit before we started recording, 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.440 you said, I'm gonna need you to up your your 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.879 What am I even opting? My my killer hurts? My 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:40.839 hurts to forty eight thousand? 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:42.760 Need to go to forty eight thousand hurts. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.720 Yeah, that's a sample rate. That's It's sort of like 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.360 how much audio quality is coming in for lack of 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:50.640 a better explanation. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.000 Correct, for lack of a better explanation correct. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.440 Okay, So I want people to know that if we 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:02.440 are sounding particularly clear and of high quality, that's why, 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.199 and not just in actual tone, but what we're saying. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.720 The quality has to be going up now, right, That's 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:08.640 how this works. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.000 I mean we can use that as a talking point 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:12.959 if we want my understanding is that it all gets 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:14.320 boiled out and post anyway. 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.840 But I was gonna say, you're probably compressing it all. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:18.640 Yeah, there are a few reasons why we're gonna give 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.440 it a shot here, but hopefully, hopefully the quality is there, 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:25.120 both in terms of audio in terms of content. Because 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.759 full disclosure, I have no idea what we're talking about 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.679 on this show. You put a concept together. I was 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.520 doing the mysterious day job thing all day. We were 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.560 barely in communication, and you just wrote to me at 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.640 three point twenty one, all right, I've got the concept. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:47.119 We are recording this about almost exactly an hour later. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:52.000 So I'm generally very leery about you doing this to 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.040 me because we end up talking about our marriages or 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:55.760 something of that. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.680 Ill right true, But at least when we do that, 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.720 now we music it out, we divorce, shack it out, 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.400 and it's only available to patreons on Forballers dot com. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.880 So at least we set that as a new a 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.880 new template for how that works. Originally, I was going 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.280 to do a Q and a situation with older questions. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.000 It's hard to explain what my plan was, but I 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.880 was thinking about it, and actually my middle brother Max 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.560 is in town, and we were talking earlier. He is 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.720 a big fan of the Master Class Theory the series 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:24.720 Theory Master Class series on. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.080 I get like a million Instagram and social media ads. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.960 For that, right, Like, if you want to cross over, 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.040 like Steph Curry, you just watch the video and boom 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.560 you have a cross to go, Steph Curry. Yeah, if 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:41.680 you want to watch really lengthy Hallway conversations or write 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.440 scripts with them, you just watch Aaron Sorkin and boom 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.480 you're able to the. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.799 Two that, for some reason are served up to me 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.400 more than the others. Yeah, there's there's one dude who's 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:58.360 doing like profiling. I forget what the chorus is exactly, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.079 but like you could tell police filing, like you could 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:02.160 tell someone's lying to you. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:03.600 Gotcha. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.960 I forget what that what the course topic is. And 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.000 then there's another one, Daniel Pink teaches the art of persuasion. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.560 For some reason, I keep getting that maybe they know 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:15.919 how bad I am when it comes to debating you, 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.360 and so they're trying to give me The Internet's trying 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:20.520 to send me signs or something. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.520 So but it evoked something, It sparked something. There are 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.919 embers in my brain now, because what is the off 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.680 season for everybody if not a chance for continued learning, 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.720 for self scouting and saying how do we get better 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.320 for the next season? And so Masterclass, as far as 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.800 I can tell, not a sponsor, absolutely not a sponsor 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.720 would be open to sponsorship. You and I are both 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:49.440 working on projects, untitled projects that are analogous to the 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:53.440 Master Class series. But I was thinking about it, and 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.440 I was thinking this, there's something here, as there's spring 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.960 football in summer workouts, and there are there are reasons why. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.560 I mean, the one continued thing in college football is 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.920 the attention that coaches receive because they're you know, players, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:12.080 transfer players, wash out players, go pro players, exhaustral eligibility. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.720 But the one consonant in the way that perhaps pro 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.160 athletes are in their sports in our sport is coaches. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.200 And I don't want to rank coaches. Everybody ranks coaches 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.359 every offseason, and they pretend like, well, we have to 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.760 do this, we have to got to we gotta say 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.919 Kirk Parents is criminally underrated. You know, every single April 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.680 or whatever that these pieces come out, I don't want 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.040 to talk about that. I don't want to rank coaches 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.640 because you know, it's all all nonsense. But what I'm 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.239 fascinated to do with you is, there's a reason why 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.560 fair or not good or not whatever, why college football 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.240 head coaches have ascended to the position that they have 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.839 ascended to, whether it's on field coaching acumen, whether it's recruiting, 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.760 whether whatever it is, or if it's it's more abstract, 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.880 you know, it's an ability to convince the world this, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.320 it's an ability to convince players this. There's a reason 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.120 why these coaches are where they are, good or bad. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:05.679 What I want to do is I want to review 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.400 a number of coaches and figure out what their very 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.800 specific master class topic would be within the world of 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:17.000 college football coaching. Oh okay, so I'll give you an 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:18.200 example of what I'm thinking. 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.320 You just came up with this at three twenty one. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.680 Yes, I did. Well. My brother is he's a huge fan. 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.480 He watches he watches science ones, he watches sports ones 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.840 and cooking ones. And I think he watched a poker 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.919 one with Daniel mcgroney. What what's like whatever that guy's are. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.599 I need to look up this one that I that 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.719 I keep getting served so that I'm yeah. So they 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:36.919 we'll get out here on it, but. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:38.520 It sounds like a cool product. And again they're not 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:39.680 saying a cent. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.200 Wasn't your dad really into these two? 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.080 So my dad is into something similar. My dad's into 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.760 something called the Great Courses, in which he watches notable 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:53.080 college professors teach classes about like art history or music 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.120 appreciation or the Civil War or whatever. So it's it's similar, 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:00.480 but I think Masterclass is more practitioners, and he has 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.120 watched a lot more professors. So instead of Chris Voss 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.960 teaches the art of negotiation, him and Daniel Pink are 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.960 all over my social media feed. I think people are 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:10.560 super into it. As far as I can tell, I 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.640 think it's a successful company. But so here's my example. 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.440 Like if I were to ask you, like, what is 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.880 the master class that Nick Saban could likely teach? 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.520 He could teach a bunch of them. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.080 Right, of course he could. But like, I think the 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.440 overarching thing of like, what is the thing that Nick 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.960 Saban has mastered, and that is the ability to adapt? 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.159 That is the ability to adapt to recruiting, the ability 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.800 to adapt to coaches, leaving the ability to adapt to 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.919 various styles coming into and out of football. He is 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.080 always sort of he's not all that stubborn he is, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.000 you know, has the ability to sort of go like 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.279 microscopic and day by day and pay attention to details. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.560 But I think adaptation, how to adapt to modern times, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.000 how to stay ahead of the curve, how to not 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.040 get lazy, how to understand what's happening around you, that's 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.960 Nick Saban's mastery, right. If it were to boil down 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:01.760 to anything. 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.160 Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean the first thing 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.920 that comes to mind on the field is obviously defense, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.840 defensive backs, like that's sure, that's that's part of how 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.840 we can think about it more in a more abstract 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.600 way as well. Yeah, I mean that's part of how 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.520 he's made his hay. But with him being the legend 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.280 that he is having had so much success, yeah, it's 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:22.520 absolutely got to be something broader like adaptation in the sport. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.080 And look, it's a story every year, it's a theme 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.040 every year. His staff rolls over. It's not like losing 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.840 one or two guys. He loses a lot. Last year 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.840 before the season he was pretty much rebooting. So for sure, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.480 I think the art of adapt. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.120 Is once again. He lost a ton of assistants this year. Yeah, absolutely, No, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.440 it's adaptation and like and like, we could go to 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.920 Clay Helton. What is the master class of Clay Helton? 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:53.760 I think remaining anonymous submid a very visible profession in sports. 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.720 Yeah, I mean anonymity is one thing. But Hudson News 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.640 test right, Well, it's the Hudson News, but it's also 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.000 Clay Helton has a master class of one hiring an 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.840 agent to negotiate a contract with an enormous buyout in 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:12.400 uncertain financial times for USC. But also his mastery is 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.120 in he's a likable person. He is he is a 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.600 likable person by all accounts that if we don't want 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.800 to pay a buyout, and if he is somebody who 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.760 has achieved some level of success at USC, they won 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.840 a rose bull in a memorable game against Penn State. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.800 It's his ability to put those in charge of him 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.520 at ease with him as a human. Because if from 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.280 from a business standpoint, sure, we can't put a course 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:44.559 out on our coach masterclass website with how to be likable? Well, 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.920 isn't that what's the win friends and influence people? Isn't 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.560 that a thing? Isn't that like from the forties or 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.720 thirties or something, It's a thing. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.440 Okay, So when to reboot that with Clay Helton? 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.960 I think there is some thing to that, and there 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.480 are people what people ascend through every industry. I mean, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.440 there's always going to be the politics of something, but 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.600 people ascend through industries. And I thought he was a 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.800 pretty good offensive coordinator, and I thought he was a 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:15.600 steadying hand when things got pretty volatile at USC behind 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.120 the scenes, and that's something they needed. But there is 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.960 an element to somebody keeps getting promoted, Somebody works their 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.040 way up up a corporation because or the military, whatever 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.520 it is, because they just get along with people. They're 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.320 just like somebody that you want to be in a 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.480 meeting room, somebody you want to go to an off 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.720 site with. There is that element to Clay Helton where 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.320 and you know, he fails the Hudson News tests in 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.880 terms of being recognized. But on that flight, on that 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.640 ensuing flight, if you happen to sit next to Clay Helton, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:49.559 he'll be like, what do you do for a living? 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:50.440 Two kids? 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:50.800 Oh? 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.400 That's what an age? He's that guy? 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.480 All right, Well, let's okay, so this is very intriguing. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.800 I'm thinking. So we're with me here, Dabo Sweeney subtitle 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.560 the art of building a winning team and this. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.839 Is this is a post colon is what you're doing. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.560 I'm doing a little subtitle action here. It could really 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.680 be more dramatic with it. Dabo Sweeney has obviously built 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.720 a winning team on the field, built the dynasty with 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.600 his bare hands at a place where there wasn't one previously. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.360 But one of the most well known stories that we've 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.800 unpacked countless times with our friend Andy Staples is what 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.000 Dabo did when he first took over at Clemson. It 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.360 was not enriching himself. It was taking a little bit 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:39.000 of a lesser salary to try and surround himself with 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:43.040 really good coaches, really good assistants that could help elevate 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.120 the overall health of the program. He's done that, and 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.240 he has retained a lot of those guys over time. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:53.520 In Preventables, right, We've we've talked about that situation countless times. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.880 I think he could probably bring a really interesting perspective 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.480 on how to assemble the part it's around you to 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.080 you know, maybe it's targeted at new managers, middle managers. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.280 How do you build that team around you fill in 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.679 the complementary parts to help elevate a program. 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.880 There's something there. There's something there. I think we can 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.960 we can drill a little bit deeper than that in 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.520 terms of what is the reason that Dabbo has had 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.840 the success he's had at a place that traditionally in 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:30.320 the modern era had a clearly capped ceiling. What is 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.800 it about Dabbo that I mean, you can go back 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.480 to when he was hired, but there's something about Dabbo 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.160 being all things to all people. 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:41.040 Didn't he didn't he build a ball pit in the 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:42.920 Clemson facilities with. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.560 His bare hands, Like the ballpit. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:46.720 Really does go a long way with today. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.240 Yeah, maybe mini golf something, yeah, mini golf. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:50.760 Yeah, there was something there. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.400 A slide, No, there there is something about being all 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.320 things to all people where he is that public aw 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.640 shucks guy, and then on the recruiting trail, on the field, 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:07.480 in hiring practices, there is that killer that he also 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.280 needs to be. There is that? I mean, it's an 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.160 adaptability in a different way, I would say, because I 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.599 don't think he's built exactly like Nick Saban, but I 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.240 think you remember that old I maybe even references on 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.280 the show before because it's such a funny sketch when 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.880 Phil Hartman played Ronald Reagan on SNL where when the 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.120 cameras rolling he's he's just like, well, I don't know, 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.959 I mean super slick, and then the cameras go off 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.280 and he goes back to the war room. He's like, 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.680 we're gonna kill them all. There is something about that 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.760 Phil Hartman Ronald Reagan impression on SNL to Dabbo, where 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:48.640 he is portraying himself as what people want to see 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:50.680 from him publicly, and this is no different than basically 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.920 any other coach. He just happens to be exceptional at it. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.600 And then I think behind closed doors there's nothing ah 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:57.480 shucks about. 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.560 Him to clearly say is a two fit. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.000 But I'm not. I'm not doing that in a pejorative way. 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.719 I don't. I'm not attempting to anyway. I think he's 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.600 I think that's a very good skill to have. I 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.200 think almost like a political skill. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.720 I think what about the art of compartmentalization. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:17.760 I think that's something there. I think there's something there. 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.679 Yeah, being able to segment off different aspects of your 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.319 personality and deploy each one you need to. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:29.520 Yeah, No, that's true, there's something there as well, all right, 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.560 He knows his audience. He absolutely always knows his audience. 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:36.840 You tell me, where do you want to go? You 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.719 want to go a lesser name, Well, I want to 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.320 go back, I want to go I want to. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:44.199 Go Matt Campbell. Okay, I think Matt Campbell's interesting because 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.840 Matt Campbell's building it. He's clearly built well, I shouldn't 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.360 say he's building a dynasty, but he's definitely building momentum. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.720 I mean, in terms of clone terms, we're in the 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:56.640 midst he is building serious momentum at Iowa State. He's 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:01.960 perpetually rumored to go elsewhere, but at least up to date, 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:03.640 he's stayed put. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:10.200 He's going to continue building what he started. Names I 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.760 could go a number of different directions with him. I mean, 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.360 the thing that, the most obvious thing that I think 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.160 comes to mind when we think of this is Matt 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:24.560 Campbell knows how to optimize production because he is not 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.280 getting the cream of the crop from a recruiting standpoint, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.320 yet he is finding a way to be like crazy 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:36.400 competitive against the best in college football, and he seems 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.640 to get always the most bang for his buck. So, 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:44.400 like an efficiency of productivity, there's something about the way 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.480 that he is going about his business that is just 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.560 squeezing every last drop out of the talent that he has. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.400 I don't know what. Maybe you can come up with 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.440 a word for this. Is there something about your excite 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.640 bike over Maybe he is just how to excite bike? 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:00.880 How to what he is doing? Right? 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.160 He couldn't hold the B button. That's my big ripe, 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:04.960 like the B button would overheat the bike. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.320 I think he can ride the B button better than 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.400 any coach in America in terms of buy in. Okay, 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:18.960 in terms of maxing out his bike on the whatever 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.640 the track, I think he can he can ride. I 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:24.880 mean in sports games there's that turbo element, right, you 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:26.960 can't hold down the turbo for too long or else 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.080 you're gonna have no turbo. I think his ability to 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.440 ride the excite bike B button with his roster in 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.000 terms of buy in, in terms of caring, in terms 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:43.080 of fully maximizing the ceilings of his players, he does 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.120 that better than anybody he brings out like his If 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.800 there were video game meters, his buy in and care 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.360 meter in terms of what his player's average seems like 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:59.400 it exceeds just about everybody relative to whatever the recruiting 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.760 talent on hand, which is still really good all things 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.400 considered for Iowa State's recent history. So I think that's 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.200 the master class there. The master class is to basically 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:13.520 maximize what you have and not to fret about what 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.960 you don't. There was a story, remember later in the season, 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.080 there was like Texas has five star players, Oklahoma's five 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:23.480 star players. We've got five star culture, and it's totally 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:28.480 cheese ball. It's obviously totally cheese ball. But if the 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:33.000 secret sauce of college football is always acquiring and convincing 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.120 talented players to play as hard as they possibly can 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:40.480 and to care about playing hard at all times, that's 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.280 that's the secret sauce for Iowa State right now is 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:44.480 riding that BE. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.960 Button, riding the B button. 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:51.560 Not pushing it too far, but knowing which literal buttons 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.040 to push on that NES controller to get that buy 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.800 in he needs to get because you watch Iowa State 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.520 play and they're just they just they care fourteen. They're 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.920 set more on every play than just about everybody they 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:05.080 line up. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:12.399 There is that combination of maximizing morale with maximizing you know, 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:16.200 your productivity on the field. Like sure, in many ways 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.520 he would be the perfect person to give a business 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.600 convention on how to do it, how to get the 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.760 most out of your sales staff. You know that sort 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:23.040 of thing. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.960 Sure, absolutely, all right, who's next? Give me another name? 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:29.320 Or do you want me to own you? Throw me 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:35.000 Matt Campbell, Jim Harbaugh, give me the master class on 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:39.080 Jim Harbaugh that Jim Harbaugh is teaching and it doesn't 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.040 have to necessarily be positive. We weren't. I think it 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.760 was a backhanded compliment to Clay Helton about what his 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.199 master class is, just like how to be likable and 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:47.920 keep moving up. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.040 Yeah, I mean Jim Harbaugh has sort of been the 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:55.960 master of shorter stints at a place being used to 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.000 like parlaying that into other high paying jobs. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.199 By the way, isn't there isn't there a vorpe element 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:03.000 to Clay Helton. 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.520 There's so much that flows through There's so many through lines. Yeah, 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.600 Clay Hilton, Sorry, continue, but I mean Harball I feel 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.320 when I think horriball, the first thing that comes to 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:15.119 mind is he. First off, he got a lot of 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.840 mileage out of Andrew Luck. Sure, I think he's a 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.000 great coach, don't get me wrong, but he got a 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.439 lot of mileage. A lot of notoriety out of what 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.520 he did with Andrew Luck at Stanford, and throughout the 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.080 course of his coaching career, he's been able to parlay 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:36.280 success at one spot over a short haul into a 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.200 job at another spot that would presumably pay him more. 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:42.040 Is that fair? 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.439 I man, I don't know. I think he was a 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:48.000 freaking I'm not saying. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.359 I'm not saying not saying he wasn't a good coach. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:52.280 I'm not saying he wasn't good coach. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:53.879 I don't think that's a short all that was like 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:55.240 seven years, eight years. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:58.280 I'm not saying he was a bad coach. I think 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.880 he's a really good coach. Okay, and I still have 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:07.920 some bit of faith in him at Michigan though it's dwindled. 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:12.160 That's weird, but continue it's led. Yeah, but I feel 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.400 like the guy has just jumped around so much that 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:20.600 unfortunately that sort of overshadows the fact that he's a 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:22.600 good coach. He's just been everywhere at this point. 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:29.120 Isn't it a masterclass on like self branding and branding 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:29.959 just in general. 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.040 Maybe he's definitely got a good agent. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.240 There is Well, he's got a good agent, But I 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:43.200 think it's more h totally and completely adhering to an 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.320 identity that you build for yourself. Right, It's how many 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.480 times has the word toughness been written about Michigan football 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.080 and about Jim Harbor and the forty nine ers in 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.200 Stanford and all the big offensive linemen and running the 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.080 ball in physicality, line of scrimmage, Like, there is an 0:19:56.080 --> 0:20:03.800 element of Jim Harbaugh's repeatability that we criticize programs for saying, 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:05.639 what is the identity? What are they trying to be? 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:07.280 What are they trying to recruit to, what are they 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:12.280 trying to hire to? And although Jim Harbaugh has shifted 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:17.240 Michigan somewhat in terms of I guess offensive identity, whenever 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:21.240 you listen to him speak, there's a degree of seriousness 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.200 and the Michigan man and we are going to play 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.359 the right way. And there is that idea of I mean, 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:34.159 he wears khakis, he wears lemon, but I know he's 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.280 up to the and I think he switched away from 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.400 the last year, right, he didn't wear the khakis, Yeah, 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:39.919 I believe so. I think he went to a darker, 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.040 darker pan. I don't know if it was a Chino. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.439 I couldn't tell you the exact cut, but there is 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:49.240 that that seriousness to Jim Harbor, and it can be 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.480 whatever it is. But I think the masterclass of what 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:59.440 Jim Harbaugh could teach is picking a lane and never wavering, 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:04.320 driving from coast to coast on the same interstate. And 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.720 there is something that if you can sell a group 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.639 of people a like mind, if you can find a 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:13.280