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Speaker 2: Hell that for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've

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Speaker 2: Is that woo woom? And them and Tye, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Back to the solid verbal boys, girls, my name is

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Speaker 1: ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there in beautiful Chicago, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: I'm the only Dan Rubertstein, Sir, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, Ty. A little bit before we started recording,

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Speaker 2: you said, I'm gonna need you to up your your

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Speaker 2: What am I even opting? My my killer hurts? My

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Speaker 1: Need to go to forty eight thousand hurts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a sample rate. That's It's sort of like

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Speaker 2: how much audio quality is coming in for lack of

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Speaker 1: Correct, for lack of a better explanation correct.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I want people to know that if we

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Speaker 2: and not just in actual tone, but what we're saying.

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Speaker 2: The quality has to be going up now, right, That's

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Speaker 1: I mean we can use that as a talking point

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Speaker 2: But I was gonna say, you're probably compressing it all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a few reasons why we're gonna give

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Speaker 1: full disclosure, I have no idea what we're talking about

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Speaker 1: We are recording this about almost exactly an hour later.

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Speaker 1: So I'm generally very leery about you doing this to

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Speaker 2: Ill right true, But at least when we do that,

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Speaker 2: and it's only available to patreons on Forballers dot com.

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Speaker 2: So at least we set that as a new a

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Speaker 2: new template for how that works. Originally, I was going

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Speaker 2: It's hard to explain what my plan was, but I

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Speaker 2: For that, right, Like, if you want to cross over,

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Speaker 2: He knows his audience. He absolutely always knows his audience.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what. Maybe you can come up with

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Speaker 2: How to what he is doing? Right?

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Speaker 1: He couldn't hold the B button. That's my big ripe,

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Speaker 2: Not pushing it too far, but knowing which literal buttons

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Speaker 1: There is that combination of maximizing morale with maximizing you know,

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Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, all right, who's next? Give me another name?

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Speaker 2: Matt Campbell, Jim Harbaugh, give me the master class on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Jim Harbaugh has sort of been the

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Speaker 1: There's so much that flows through There's so many through lines. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there is something strangely impressive about this is who I am.

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Speaker 1: Well. Well, I mean, look, the guy played in the

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Speaker 1: And I take your point. Sure, this is going to

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Speaker 1: The branding aspect of this, though, the personal branding aspect

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Speaker 1: of this wearing cleats a branding aspect of this, though,

435
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Speaker 1: I think Woomb's pretty large, and I think there are

436
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: probably a lot of Michigan fans who feel like they

437
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: didn't get what they bargained for with him. He was

438
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be the savior who came in and made

439
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: Michigan football what it's always supposed to be and hasn't

440
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: done that yet.

441
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: That's fine, This is not a commentary on that necessarily,

442
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 2: But is there something that, especially if I were to

443
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: ask solid wife Kate, like, what is what has Tie

444
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: branded himself with that is the most unwavering tie thing

445
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: there is? Oh gosh, do you have an answer? Would

446
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 2: she have an answer? Like the way you wire up

447
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 2: a security camera at your house, what you travel with?

448
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: Is there anything like that?

449
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: That's probably what we talked about a few shows ago,

450
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: the same jokes over and over again. I'd say, that's.

451
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Speaker 2: Hmmm, oh yeah, well that's marriage. That's marriage.

452
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

453
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I the one thing I can think

454
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: of that is and I mean, I admit it's ridiculous

455
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: and so aggressive, but I do bring earplugs to it.

456
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: That like the old Man branding that I have stamped

457
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: on my You're seventy years old secretly is so severe? Yeah?

458
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 2: Is I just I'm not going to blow out my

459
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 2: ears for living on a prayer. I'm just not.

460
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Speaker 1: I want to throw out a Scott Frost.

461
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Speaker 2: Scott Frost, Okay, masterclass. It's narrative, right, I think so,

462
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Speaker 2: I think so, you know. And the reason I guess

463
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Speaker 2: I throw out Frost is because we talked about Jim

464
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Speaker 2: Harball and the personal branding and using previous success to

465
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Speaker 2: get to.

466
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Speaker 1: It's alma mater. Frost isn't all that dissimilar. It's just

467
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Speaker 1: been a shorter road to get back in a brand asca.

468
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: He didn't have quite the success that Harball had obviously,

469
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: just because Harball was doing it longer. But now we're

470
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Speaker 1: in this stage with uh like, shall we call it

471
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Speaker 1: late stage Scott Frost at Nebraska where it does feel

472
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Speaker 1: like the natives are getting a little restless. Initially there was

473
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Speaker 1: an excitement that I think he brought with him to Lincoln.

474
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Speaker 1: I worry that that's warn't awful a little bit at

475
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Speaker 1: this point, and it's just a bunch of skeptical fans.

476
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Speaker 1: So if you're Scott Frost, if you're making the online course,

477
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Speaker 1: what are you selling at this point? Is it. Is

478
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Speaker 1: it just you know, crafting the perfect narrative? What is

479
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Speaker 1: it to you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe it's not narrative. I'm trying to

481
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: think what it is. Is it that he did a

482
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Speaker 2: really good job. I mean, he succeeded at UCF. Is

483
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: there an element of drafting off of Chip Kelly?

484
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Speaker 1: Is that?

485
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not really a repeatable. It's not like

486
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Speaker 2: you can take a master class on saying I was

487
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly's offensive coordinator or receivers coach, and I'm running

488
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: the Chip Kelly offense and succeeded at UCF, It'll succeed

489
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Speaker 2: at Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: I think there is We can take this one of

491
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: two directions. Are we assuming that Scott Frost is going

492
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Speaker 1: to be a successful coach or are we assuming that

493
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: he is trading off of his former value at this point,

494
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: because you can go two distinctly different directions.

495
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: Right now UCF is too much. UCF is now in

496
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Speaker 2: its second coach and second tenure since Scott Frost Gus Malson.

497
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: So I think that rear view mirror is probably a

498
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: little bit too severe in terms of distance. So right

499
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: now Scott Frost is trading on I think the narrative

500
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: thing has probably it's probably a little bit too thin.

501
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: So the master class has to be that he is

502
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: this young, offensive gu still and maybe it's an element

503
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: of the fact that he is like a young in

504
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: shape guy, so he gets the benefit of the doubt

505
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: of like he's the smartest kid in the room. He's

506
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: a wounder. Linder kings that a German thing that you

507
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: probably can translate for me. I think he is trading

508
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: on that a little bit. That there is still this

509
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: element to not just here's what I did at UCF,

510
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: but you know I started succeeding at a young age.

511
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: I brought this program back, you know, inherited some, recruited some,

512
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: and you know, like hired well whatever it was at UCF.

513
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: That there is there is a branding element to him

514
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: as well, and a lot of it might not even

515
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: be his doing. It's just you look at him and

516
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: there is that element of I have worked with these

517
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: offensive gurus, I have had success offensively, So there is

518
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: an element of hope and potential because of age and

519
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: vague history. What that master class is. I think that's

520
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: where it goes to the narrative, where it's the narra

521
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: that's the offensive Wounderkin narrative. I think you got a match,

522
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: He'll tell you in his masterclass. Got to strike quickly.

523
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: It's gotta happen quickly. If you want to make some cash,

524
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: you got to pick the right place to go when

525
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: your reputation is at its highest. Because if you are

526
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: a hot offensive coordinator, say a Lincoln Riley at ECU,

527
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: don't take a big offensive coordinator at a coordinator job somewhere.

528
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: Don't go.

529
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: Don't take a Perdue job. Don't take an Iowa job.

530
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: Don't take even a Texas Tech job. No Texas techs.

531
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: That's some huge offenses. I take that one back, But

532
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: don't take a job that's going to set you up

533
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: with money but not necessarily clear success. And so Lincoln

534
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: Riley making the move to Oklahoma as an offensive coordinator

535
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: is the sort of know where you fit, where you

536
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: set up best for success. And Scott Frost making that

537
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: UCF move was I mean, it was.

538
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: A brilliant that was the master class. Maybe that was.

539
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: The master class. And now it's just you know when

540
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 2: actors get a little bit older where they're like, yeah,

541
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: I don't really want to do deep impact, but they're

542
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: offering me eight point two million dollars. There is that

543
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: element of you sometimes you just you got it, got

544
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: to grab the opportunity once you've proven yourself, even if

545
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: that opportunity isn't necessarily set up for just need one

546
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: big hit.

547
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: You just need one big hit and then your set.

548
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm actually positive Florida is pretty happy they did not

549
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: go in this or Scott Frost did not want to

550
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: go in the Gator direction.

551
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: All right, well, I was gonna say we could go

552
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen. Actually I want to go Kirby Smart, Kirby Smart.

553
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: I want to go Kirby Smart. So Kirby Smart.

554
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: It's pretty similar.

555
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, Kirby Smart for a long time was with

556
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: Nick Saban. Of course left took over it. Georgia is

557
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: I think, trying to build a similarly fashioned minded program

558
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: and is obviously having some early gains here. He's been

559
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: a huge success. Georgia, I think, is pretty happy with

560
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: with what they've gotten out of him thus far. Kirby's

561
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: kind of a low key guy, like I think generally

562
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: when when you see him into interviews and stuff, kind

563
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: of a madman on the sidelines. Not not dissimilar from

564
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: many coaches on the sideline's kind of kind of a madman,

565
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: to be clear.

566
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: To be clear, when you say early gains, he's entering

567
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: his sixty year it happens.

568
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 1: Right, But had some success very quickly, sure, definitely, So

569
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: there is that component of cashing in on your name.

570
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: But he was at Alabama for a while, right, and

571
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: he waited for the job that was best for him,

572
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: that gave him, you know, the best chance of success

573
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: at Georgia, job that he cleared al the water. Right.

574
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: So it's not quite the same degree as a Scott Frost.

575
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: It's much different in that aspect. When I think of

576
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart, I think I think defense. I think defense.

577
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: He was a defensive minded coach. He came in right

578
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: away at Georgie put together just a baller defense, and

579
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: now they're trying to build that offense up around him.

580
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: They obviously have parts that you know are exciting and excitable.

581
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: But I think defense. I think the art of defense

582
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: as the first thing when I think of Kirby Smart.

583
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: So how do we extrapolate that out, unpack that skill

584
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: into another masterclass?

585
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: It might just be defense, I mean it's defense and

586
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: recruiting it's how to be Diet Saban, because he has

587
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: been quite adaptable on defense, the way that even his

588
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: defenses at Alabama and now his defenses at Georgia have changed.

589
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: I mentioned that I had watched one of his clinics

590
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: and he talked about, you know, moving away from the

591
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: sort of war daddy nose tackle types into getting much

592
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: smaller and being able to go sideline to sideline and

593
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: be able to run various defenses with you know, three

594
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: down linemen and four down linemen and be able to

595
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: adapt to any offense. And I think there's a certain

596
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: degree of you look at any successful coach and they're

597
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: able to adapt and they're able to see, you know,

598
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: which way the wind is blowing. The problem is with

599
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart is the Diet Sabin element. With the way

600
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: the quarterback room has been managed these past few years.

601
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: You know, the sort of debacle with Justin Fields and

602
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: Jake fromm and this past year. I mean, I excuse

603
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: a lot with twenty twenty actually, but the offense was

604
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: it got to be a pretty stale offense under Jim Cheney,

605
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: especially in bigger games. So in terms of masterclass with

606
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart, I would say it would be Kirby Smart

607
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: Colin putting most of it together, putting putting most of

608
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: it together, and maybe it's put build most of your

609
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: project and maybe call it a task rabbit.

610
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: A Have you ever done a task rabbit?

611
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: I think Jody did when she was living alone in

612
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: New York for building some furniture or something like that

613
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: before I knew her.

614
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I have, And I wish they had

615
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: a better name for it. I feel like a task

616
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: rabbit is such a demeaning title. It is like a

617
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: door dasher is like dashers are reindeer, you know, like

618
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: you can feel good, but a task rabbit just feels

619
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: so demeaning. And it isn't. It isn't at all. But

620
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: I just I wish they had better branding. Maybe they

621
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: could take the Jim Harbaugh course.

622
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I oh man. There is an element of Kirby

623
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: Smart is it's just how to raise expectations and coast

624
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: for as long as possible, Because he raised the expectations

625
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: in George after taking that team to an SEC title

626
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: in a national championship game and getting to what overtime

627
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: an overtime period away from winning the national Championship. And

628
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: now they've just sort of plateau the art of the plateau.

629
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: Kirby smarkhole in the Art of the Plateau.

630
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: All right, your turn. Where are we going next?

631
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: Uh, let's do. Let's do James Franklin master class. CA.

632
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: Okay, good one, good one.

633
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: Jimmy Franks.

634
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy Franks slate game, James near win jim Yeah, definitely

635
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: not clock management. This is we know clock management will

636
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: not be his master class, James frank The people who

637
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: really dislike James Franklin, I think he's a snake oil salesman.

638
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: He's a snake oil salesman. That it's I don't believe that.

639
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't believe that to be the case either, but

640
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: I am. I'm going somewhere with this, so just hang

641
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: with me. The people who really don't like him think

642
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: he's a snake oil salesman and that when the rubber

643
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: really meets the road, he's all hat, no cattle, it's

644
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: just all bark, no bite. He's he's a snake oil salesman, right,

645
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: He's he's a wizard of oz.

646
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: Well, he's he's very charming, right in his press conferences

647
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: and his quotes. Yeah, yeah, you're inspiring, he's charming, he

648
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: appears to be a good dude from afar publicly.

649
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: I yes, And I know people in media who felt

650
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: similarly about Franklin, that he was snake oil salesman, that

651
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: it was it was inauthentic, and that you know, eventually

652
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: that will come back to bite him. A lot of

653
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: those folks have actually changed their tune on him.

654
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: Interesting.

655
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know if it's success.

656
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's you know, just getting to

657
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: know the guy better over the years. But I have

658
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: been I've been pleasantly surprised by some of those folks

659
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: who have told me that they change their tune on him.

660
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: And it's more than one, it's a couple. So with

661
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: that said, I don't think that's an angle, but I

662
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: do think it's notable because that charm is real, and

663
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: I think something of like maybe he steals away the

664
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: art of persuasion away from Daniel pink On, the actual master.

665
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: I mean, does it also fall under how to win

666
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: friends and influence?

667
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: But it does, it does. He's just a master recruiter.

668
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: He has very quickly built Penn State back up into

669
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: a regular conversation piece in the Big ten, what he

670
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: did with organizing the parts around trades, Bic Sorely and

671
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley, bringing in defensive talent, like he has absolutely

672
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: infused that program with talent. You know on the line,

673
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: they've gotten better tight end tight end, tight end has

674
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: been a thing, Like they really have just gotten just

675
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: a different order of magnitude better under his tutelage. So

676
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: I think, more more than anything, it's around the recruiting game.

677
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: It's about going into living rooms. It's about winning over

678
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: hearts and minds and getting people to commit to Penn State,

679
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: winning the state, dominating the state. As he said in

680
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: his introductory press conference, that above all else is what

681
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: he is best at. So however we package that into

682
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: part of this offering, we can discuss. But that is

683
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: his thing, that is what he is best at.

684
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: I think there's an element of surrounding himself with the

685
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: best he possibly can and I know your boy, Kirk

686
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: Shiaka this year didn't necessarily fall into that category in

687
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: terms of how the offense produced in a very strange

688
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. By and large, he's done since his early

689
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: days a pretty good job of hiring coaches and coordinators

690
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: and finding the best fits. I think what Bob Shoop

691
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 2: did a pretty good job for Penn State. Brent Prye

692
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: has done a pretty good job for Penn State. Ricky

693
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: Ronnie was not amazing after Joe Morehead, but Joe Morehead

694
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: was incredible for Penn State. And I think expectations are

695
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: pretty high for Mike. You're sick. I think there is

696
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: that ability. I think how to surround. I think there

697
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: is a talent in building up the people around you,

698
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: building up your circle, and recognizing and knowing what you

699
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: don't know. There are a lot of coaches who have

700
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: an offensive background. What James Franklin was what the Maryland

701
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: coach in waiting for alf Regent, And he could have

702
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: just as easily said I've got this background on offense.

703
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: I could be Chip Kelly or Tom Herman or any

704
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: of these guys that came into these head coaching jobs,

705
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: Gus Malson or saying I'm calling plays. I got here

706
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: because of my offensive acumen. But James Franklin, after you

707
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: know the was it. Bob Donovan was his first Excuse me,

708
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: not Bob do Ye, John Donovan. Yeah, They're sorry. There

709
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: is that element to James Franklin and saying I'm always

710
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: going to have a list of guys who are impressing

711
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: me elsewhere, and when a position opens up, I know

712
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: who I'm calling. I know this seven calls I'm going

713
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: to make on any level. There is that element to

714
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: James Franklin I think has really helped, and it's that

715
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: people person element to him. It seems that has convinced

716
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: these guys because you can look at a number of

717
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: huge schools that have made these like really questionable and

718
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: sort of LIMP coordinator.

719
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: Hires, limp coordinator hires where it just sort of leaves

720
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: you like again we come back to John Donovan.

721
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: John Donovan. Yeah it's not John Donovan, but there are

722
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: places everywhere you're just like, man, I just what, my god,

723
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: Kansas is hiring who. It's just there's just that element

724
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: to it. Cal is hiring who, like USC is hiring who.

725
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: Minnesota is hiring who. And by and large, I want

726
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: to say I'd give him credit for saying, this guy

727
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: has produced everywhere he's gone. This guy is in intriguing,

728
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: this guy resonates with people. He's creative, His defense or

729
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: his offense is creative. I think that's probably the genius

730
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: of James Franklin is surrounding himself with smart, capable people.

731
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: So there's a Dabo Sweeney component to this. Sure, absolutely

732
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: if we assume, if we assume Dabbo is doing the

733
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: people pleaser type course, how to you know, compartmentalise I

734
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: think we agreed on.

735
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: I think Dabo has done worse in that department publicly

736
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: this past year than James.

737
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. But I think the

738
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney course is one that you give to perspective

739
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: coaches or politicians. I think the one that I mean

740
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: James Franklin could absolutely be a politician, that's part of

741
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: the job. But for sure, I think James Franklin's course

742
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: is targeted more at like HR professionals building the winning

743
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: team for both from the outside and within.

744
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: What about coach ol Oh?

745
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: God?

746
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: What is the master class of Coach Oh? Is it

747
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: him selling himself as a local? I mean, it's it's branding,

748
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: you know, it's the relentless, it's the sort of you know,

749
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: his voice is different, there's a certain amount of charm

750
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: to you know, Tagos every single interview he does. What

751
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: is it about coach O that differentiates himself. Now you

752
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: can use the adaptability as well. Obviously, you know with

753
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: his low points at Ole Miss and you know how

754
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 2: down he was personally after not getting the USC job

755
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: when he was the interim twice.

756
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: I think I have one for.

757
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: Him moving to the spread. What is it? What is

758
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: the coach oh master class?

759
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: Coach oh masterclass is the art of admitting defeat. It

760
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: is the art of admitting defeat. Because Coach Owe's most

761
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: successful season are you will be his most successful season

762
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: in his entire career was what he did with Joe Burrow.

763
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 2: And of course, I mean it's the most successful season

764
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: of yeah right, for sure.

765
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: But what he did before that season was he completely

766
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: nuked the offense. They went with that Joe Brady system.

767
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it revitalized Joe Burrow, It turned him into

768
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: the first overall pick. He really did an about face

769
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: and got away from the old ushered in the new.

770
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: It worked really, really well. But there have been times

771
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: throughout the course of Coacho's career as a coach where

772
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they didn't have quite that level of success.

773
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: There was a USC thing, right, I mean, he came in,

774
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: he made his mark, the team loved him and he

775
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: made a strong case to stick around. It didn't work out,

776
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: but he was able to build from that on some level.

777
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: Admit defeat, move on, move back up through the ranks,

778
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: and eventually eventually get this job with Elis You again

779
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: on the ropes at LSU, had to reinvent himself, was

780
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: able to go out, change that offensive system, have a

781
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: general once in a generation season, win a national championship,

782
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: and now he's going to be forced to do it again.

783
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: In some sense. Last year was not a good year

784
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: for multitude of reasons. The lost a ton of guys

785
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: at injuries, that guys opt out, pandemic, blah blah blah,

786
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: you know the drill. But he's again trying to retool

787
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: that offense, trying to start anew in the SEC West.

788
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: We'll see if he can do it. He did do

789
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: it once. But I think the story of Coacho has

790
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: been finding ways to basically reinvent yourself. First off, admit defeat,

791
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: reinvent yourself and rebrand and just make it happen.

792
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, strictly in terms of football, because obviously there have

793
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: been some concerns surrounding co Show recently with how he

794
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: has conducted himself as like a CEO of human within

795
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: the LSU program, but strictly within football. There is an

796
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: element to the way LSU has improved. Now we are

797
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: in the shadow of him making two kind of disastrous hires.

798
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: Now the quarterback injuries aside, because that played a huge

799
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: role in the offensive struggles thet least part of the

800
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: back half or the majority of the season when Miles

801
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 2: Brennan went down, but a completely disastrous defensive coordinator higher

802
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: that is at odds with me saying relentless attention to

803
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: improving LSU's program, whether it's you know, raising money or

804
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: getting what is the corporate term when you want to

805
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: add people to a team, like you want to get

806
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: more bodies? Is that a thing you want to at

807
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: you want to have you heard that terminology like I

808
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: need more bodies in this department or something like that,

809
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: Like he has in terms of like the analysts, in

810
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: terms of the guys in the program bringing in advise augmentation, yeah,

811
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: staff augmentation, that kind of thing. There is an element

812
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 2: to ed Orgeron looking around on the college football landscape

813
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: and saying, if LSU wants to compete at the highest level,

814
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: we need a B and C. And I think his

815
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: relentless sales job to his bosses and to the money,

816
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: the money connected to LSU, the money, the people. Yeah,

817
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: please do. I think there's a relentlessness to ed Orgeron

818
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: when it comes to that football program that has served

819
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: him and that program extremely well. But also it has

820
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: served the program, as we're finding out, somewhat to the

821
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: detriment of the program. That there's a relentlessness that is

822
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: generally controlled but not always controlled. And if you read

823
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: Bruce Feldman's meat Market, there's relentlessness to his recruiting and

824
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: his drive and the red bulls, and you know, just

825
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: the constant pressure he puts on himself to secure commitments

826
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: from prospects that I think in terms of again that

827
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: our word relentlessness might be unmatched in the sport.

828
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: That.

829
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: Does that strike a chord with you?

830
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: Think? So?

831
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: Okay?

832
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: I think you do.

833
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, hasn't always served him well, or that program well,

834
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: or his players well, or the LSU campus well, but

835
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: there's a relentlessness.

836
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: To I agree with that. Okay, you want one more name,

837
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm named out.

838
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 2: You're named out. Okay, let's do have we done? Anybody

839
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve. Yet, oh yeah, we did Matt Campbell.

840
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: You just give me a conference that we haven't hit

841
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: hard enough. We did Penn State and we did Michigan.

842
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: We haven't done anybody in the Oh No, we did

843
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: Scott Frost as well in the Big ten. So we're

844
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: tapped out Big ten. ACC. We did Dabbo, anybody else

845
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: in the ACC you want to Hell.

846
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: We could do Justin Fialente. But I don't know if

847
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: that's high profile enough. I had him on the show.

848
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be high profile.

849
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that course would be that he

850
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: would teach. At this point. Mac Brown could be interesting.

851
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do masterclass mac Brown.

852
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: Mac Brown checks a lot of these boxes, actually, a

853
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: lot of these boxes adaptability. When I think of mac

854
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: Brown now, I think of a second wind. I think

855
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: of a guy who was out of the game for

856
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: a while. There was a lot of skepticism on him

857
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: coming back after all these years to coach at North Carolina,

858
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: a place where he had previously been. Thus far that

859
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: has yielded great results. There's no other way to look

860
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 1: at it. So I think what I'd like to tap

861
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: into here is and there may actually be a masterclass

862
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: about this, but sort of the artist staying current. You know,

863
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: there is an adaptability aspect to this, for sure, but

864
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: you also need to be plugged in constantly if you

865
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: want to be able to relate on the same level

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Speaker 1: as your players, players, as he would say, plurers. So

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Speaker 1: there's something there. There's some aspect to Mac there that

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Speaker 1: we could unpack. Of course, there's a whole politician side

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Speaker 1: of Mac.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say the gubernatorial drive I think might

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Speaker 2: be the answer.

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Speaker 1: The gubernatorial drive.

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Speaker 2: Where it's memorizing every name you've ever come across, figuring

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Speaker 2: out the degree of folksiness. And I mean, you're right

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Speaker 2: that it does combine a number of the traits that

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Speaker 2: we've identified in other coaches, where it's the adapt bit

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Speaker 2: about Mac Brown's subtitle weaponizing your folksiness, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: But it also I think is genuine from what I

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Speaker 2: can tell from people who have spent time with him

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes, that there is no I don't think

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Speaker 2: there is that Phil Hartman Reagan dynamic. I think it

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Speaker 2: has served him extremely well that he's so comfortable in

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Speaker 2: his own skin. Maybe that's the masterclass, is skin comfort.

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Speaker 2: And when I say that out loud. It does sound creepy.

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Speaker 2: It's a little weird, but I think it is. I

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Speaker 2: think it's a masterclass skin comfort, and I think that

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Speaker 2: resonates with people on the recruiting trail. I think it

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Speaker 2: resonates with media. Obviously he's played the media game. I

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Speaker 2: think there is a certain degree and the reason why,

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Speaker 2: you know, eventually it didn't work out of Texas just

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Speaker 2: because it's a results oriented business. But the reason he

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Speaker 2: got the time he got and the reason the patience

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Speaker 2: was dealt to him by the broader Texas administration whatever,

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Speaker 2: is because everybody loves him. And so there is that

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Speaker 2: that skin comfort that mac Brown has used to navigate

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Speaker 2: the sport that might even be unmatched in the sport,

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Speaker 2: and the way that some other guys have these like

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Speaker 2: top tier traits.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's been funding skin comfort, skin Comfort saverbogmail dot

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Speaker 1: com is the email address. Appreciate everyone, ive us your

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Speaker 1: master classes, give us, give us your master classes. We'll

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Speaker 1: put this out there on social media. I would expect

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Speaker 1: we're going to get some fun results. And for ballers

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Speaker 1: dot com of course, where you can find the Patreon

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Speaker 1: where you can get access to the discord, get access

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Speaker 1: to some of the bonus stuff that we're doing here

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Speaker 1: throughout the course of the offseason. Got an off topic

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Speaker 1: show coming up pretty soon, by the way, two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Certain caveat to all of this is, I mean it

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Speaker 2: should almost go without saying, but if we're going to

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Speaker 2: paint all of these coaches with the broadbrush and what

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Speaker 2: we're saying, they're all full of shit, that's like, that's

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Speaker 2: you can't be a good coach without being that. So

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Speaker 2: that aside, those were the traits.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, fun show. We pulled it together at the

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Speaker 2: Weather, can I wink wink? Is that something I can do?

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Speaker 1: Can you win? You can do whatever you want. It's

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Speaker 1: your show.

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Speaker 2: I just think that you Ty Hildenbrand and I Dan

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Speaker 2: Rubinstein did a sort of how to themed show. There's

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Speaker 2: more on that bone for us.

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Speaker 1: There is more on that bone, isn't there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, wink wink. So that guy over there, my good

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Speaker 1: friend Dan Rubenstein for myself, Tie hlmo Brand, we will

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Speaker 1: talk to you all soon. In the meantime, enjoy your weekend,

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Speaker 1: Stay solid. M