WEBVTT - From Twink to Twunk 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.040 Would you fucking eagle? I mean, eagles are hot, I think, 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.119 and they're endangered and like it could be your only chance. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:17.680 I don't know about you, but I spent a lot 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.480 of my adolescents fapping it to Greek mythology, and I 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.800 think I think you did too. No chance, no way, Um, 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:32.800 I won't say it, no, no, deny. Oh. We are 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:37.159 the muss goddesses of the arts and proclaims of heroes, 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:42.680 heroes like Hercules. I like, Well, we have been visited 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.920 by the muses and they have inspired us to talk 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.839 about Greek mythology, which is I think like one of 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:54.040 the earliest things we talked about doing on this podcast 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:58.320 because it's something that we both are obsessed with, obsessed 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.280 with and also just like is not in the culture 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.160 as much as it should be, you know, like it 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.319 is and it always has been. And I do think 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.280 we'll we'll talk today a little bit about how um, 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.880 Greek mythology is something that you know, artists are always 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.919 coming back to, always like breathing new life into because 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.800 of the universal nature of these stories. But we're really 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.640 going to talk about it all, from Hercules to you know, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.679 Madeline Miller and everything in between because this is like 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.120 a Virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:36.360 and in today's case, ancient pop culture. Today's takes. I'm 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:45.120 Rostamu and I'm Fran Toronto. Something I'm always scared of 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:50.400 is getting murdered in an Airbnb. Um. I'm not always 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.320 scared of getting murdered, because sometimes I'm like whatever, I'm 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.840 ready for the solid to be over. But airbnb is, 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:00.720 I think are particularly chilling. And that's why I liked 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.840 the premise of Barbarian, which friend and I just saw yesterday, 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.680 because it does run with that idea of when you 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.880 go stay at someone's house, you never really know whose 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.359 house you're staying in. And also the people who own 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.040 the kind of homes that are turned into Airbnbs don't 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:23.280 even really necessarily know what homes they're living in. Yeah, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.320 if you haven't watched the trailer to Barbarian, you'll you'll 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:31.280 get the premise immediately. But it's just so in real life, 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.840 like it is a real thing that could happen to 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.960 you when you book an Airbnb. And and now I'm 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.560 terrified of airbnbs, And honestly, I just hope that this 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:44.240 continues to irreparably damage Airbnb as a corporation. Like, I 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.320 think that we should make more horror films and TV 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.680 shows that make us scared of booking Airbnb. Okay, so 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.839 for the Virgin spoiler alert, we're gonna talk a little 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.400 bit about Barbarian here. So Barbarian is about a woman 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.399 who rents an Airbnb. It turns out someone is staying there. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.960 It's built ours guard a k. A. Pennywise, who is 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.240 really hot also terrifying. Yeah, I think he's hotter as 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.120 Pennywise to be honest um, And he's like, oh no, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.240 it's fine, Like let's both stay here, and then some 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.880 weird ship happens in the house. She goes to investigate, 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.400 finds this secret basement that leads to another secret basement, 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:23.480 another secret basement. Literally is like it's a comically scary hallway. 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.760 It's like, actually, like something that could be so simple 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.360 and so cliche in a canon of horror films, but 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.560 like it's so well done and really scary. Yes, And 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.720 the more I have sat with it, the more I 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.000 have really liked it and thought it was a really 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.240 good movie and really well done. The parts in the 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.520 basement we're kind of reminding me of have you ever 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.160 seen The Descent? I haven't, one of my favorite horror movies. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.640 It's so scary, and the scariest part of it to 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.160 me is the claustrophobia of them being underground, not even 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:55.000 really the monsters. I thought the lead actress was really good. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.760 She was very funny, and this was like one of 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.560 her I mean, she's done a handful of horror and 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.440 action of for but like, I think this was like 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.000 such a moment for her. Yeah. And I liked that 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.880 they introduced the Justin Long character, who was like a 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.200 horrible person and is by the end of the movie 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.560 more monstrous than the actual monster who is the monster 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.560 of the film. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and without giving too 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.440 much away, like something else that I love about that. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.920 I mean, aside from the fact that like they make 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:26.160 this Airbnb like multi property manager seemed like a complete asshole, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.080 which like we need more representation for like asshole airbnb 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.040 property managers. They they haven't had their they haven't had 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.160 their do um. But the if you watch the trailer 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.440 for the film, it sets you up to think that 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.080 the movie is going to be one thing, and then 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:45.080 the movie drastically changes twice and kind of almost switches 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.360 protagonists for a moment, and um, I just think that 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.119 that is something that I will always want to watch, 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.400 what no matter the genre, like someone who is willing 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.239 to break the form of a film and like Foura 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.560 into something just because they really wanted to surprise the audience. 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.039 Because on its face, it's a pretty simple premise and 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.720 it's really just the way that it's executed that I 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.559 think elevates it to being a very good horror movie. Yeah, 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.440 and like honestly slightly less simple. Um, we're on a roll, 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.000 like in terms of scary movies this week, it's speaky season. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.039 So Rose had been telling me to watch X, a 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.080 movie that came out how many months ago? It came 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.800 out earlier this year. It came out in the spring. 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.960 They shot it in New Zealand and had rented this 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.040 farm for a certain amount of time, and I guess 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.560 it took them not as long to shoot it as 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.280 I thought they did. So t West or Tie West, 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.559 however you pronounced his name and Mia Goth were like, wait, 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:44.120 let's also make a prequel film while we have the space, 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.279 and he and Mia Goth wrote it together, which is 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.920 did they write it on Saturday. Did they just kind 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.960 of figure out I think they. I think I think 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:56.320 they wrote it during their their quarantine before filming, and 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.039 it has now been announced there's going to be a 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:04.040 third film. Max Sine um I. Maxine is the character 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.159 that Mia Goth plays a X, the corn star character 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.279 who survives. She's the final girly. I think it's a 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:15.400 really good filmmaker muse situation where they they clearly work 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.760 very well together, because I will say I really loved 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.240 X when I watched it a couple of weeks ago, 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:27.039 and then I loved Pearl even more. Yeah, okay, Mia 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.360 Goth as a muse. I think it's the perfect way 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.520 of explaining why both of these movies shine so hard. 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.200 Um okay. So X is basically about a film crew 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.559 that is shooting a porno. They want to rent a farm. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.160 The farm happens to be inhabited by two of the oldest, 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.440 creepiest people you've ever seen in your entire life. They're 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.120 so old that they look like corpses, and the movie, 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.000 without revealing these like the older woman Pearl to you 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.600 too far in advance, is able to build a dramatic 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.200 tension that is like so weird and so specific and 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.000 like fully reliant on like how eerie she looks and um, 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.440 you know, but also how eerie she acts, because I 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.120 don't think old people are you know, creepy in and 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:15.000 of themselves, but Pearl throughout the movie wants the youth 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.200 that these people possess. Like first, she tries to fuck 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.880 like literally everyone there, and they're all like, you're disgusting, 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.480 and so then she decides to kill them all except 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.800 for Miagoth's character Maxine, who the creepiest scene in the 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.640 movie is when she gets into bed with her Oh 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.840 my god, it scared me. But also the movie I 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.840 thought was also really funny. Brittney Snow, Britney Snow, you 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.440 will always be famous Britney Snow tour. In this film, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.240 she was a revelation. Her cover of Landslide was amazing. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:52.760 Um kid Cutty was great. Also, that girl Jenna Ortega, 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.000 who's in literally everything, was in this I thought her 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.880 death scene was pretty satisfying. And the gag of the 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.720 movie you don't know in advance um is that the 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:07.280 protagonist of the movie, Mia Goth, also plays the old 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.080 woman in prosthetics at the same time, so she is 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.120 simultaneously the hero and the villain of the story, which 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.800 I think is so brilliant and so Pearl. The movie 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.920 is a prequel of the older woman's character Pearl in 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.000 origin story and and finding out how she got to 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.640 this point of being this woman who clearly has a 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:31.680 life full of wasted dreams. And I thought, this is 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.160 the kind of movie that we don't see anymore. You know, 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:40.320 it's a it's a deeply psychological thriller, character study. It's 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.120 not even really a horror movie. It's not really that horrific. 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.760 But I thought it was fascinating. I loved the way 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:52.640 that they mimicked the technicolor movies of the wartime era. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:58.880 Mia Goth was transcendent um. The scene with the scarecrow, Yeah, 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.800 that was that was That was crazy. A scene where 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.440 she kills the guy and yells at him and she's like, 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.120 she's like really, well done, so good and then her 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.320 he's so hot. Um. And then of course Mia goths 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.959 six minute monologue at the end, how did you know? 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.240 Six minutes? Is it? Like people are talking about it 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.520 on Twitter. Incredible And you know, we'll have to wait 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.560 and see what Maxine is like. But this might be 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.280 the kind of thing where the whole is better than 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:25.880 the some of its parts, and the some of its 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.600 parts are still really good. So I'm very excited to 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.719 see how it all shakes out. We have a new 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.040 episode of House of Dragon, and which holes were very 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:39.079 important because it opened with older rain Era giving birth 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:43.040 and then having to walk longer than I've ever walked 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.280 in my life up all those stairs, um, having just 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:50.800 given birth. This episode was really good. I really liked 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.680 the introduction of the new actors. What I am finding 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.240 with House to the Dragon, though, is that it has 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.240 a serious pacing problem. It is moving through this stuff 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.840 too fast. I keep seeing stuff on Twitter and on 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.640 TikTok of scenes that were cut. I think we could 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.280 have gotten so much more character development. I didn't like 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.120 that we never got to see any interaction between Rania 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.440 and Harwin Strong, who secretly her lover and the father 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:21.840 of her bastard children. Um. But this show, it continues 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.640 to be great and like it is Sunday night appointment television, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.040 and everyone's acting is incredible. I really liked the introduction 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.199 of Emma to r C who plays older Ranira, and 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.840 their non binary which I love to see, and also 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.839 The actress who plays the younger Allison is queer, and 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:44.440 even said in an interview that she played Allison as 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:51.040 being in love with Rania. So I wow, that's so. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.240 I mean, like I as sometimes I hate like batty things. 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.240 But when it's like the actor saying that, not like 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.640 the creator like just trying for like pr or whatever, like, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.840 I love that. I uh, I will agree and also 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.480 disagree about like the page Well, okay, I actually fully 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.880 agree with you on the pacing thing. Um. I think 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.280 watching this episode in particular, where we jump forward in time, 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.240 I'm kind of like, what's your rush, Like, we're gonna 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.680 get seven more seasons? I don't think we That's the 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.240 thing is. I think because they know of what happened 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.520 with Game of Thrones, I think this will be a 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:29.600 much more contained show, and I would imagine three. And 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.840 I think what they're rushing to get to is the 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.319 actual Dance of the Dragons, which is the Targarrian Civil War. 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.480 And so most of the season so far has been 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.640 spent setting up what's going to happen, because all of 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.319 the action of the Dance of the Dragons, like the 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.320 stuff that we're seeing happen now in the source material 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.520 is like one line, it's like this person died, this happened, 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.480 and most of the bulk of this is what happens 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.560 in the actual war. And I understand why they're rushing 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.960 because they know how soured people were on the way 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:06.040 Game of Thrones ended. But that being said, what Game 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.079 of Thrones always did so well with character development, and 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.920 they have done a really good job developing these characters. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.960 It's just that they're doing it so fast, and I 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.040 wish there was a little more room to breathe. Yeah, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.880 the reason I almost like disagree with you was because 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.640 I don't feel like the pacing is unsuccessful, you know 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.840 what I mean, Like I don't watching it. I'm like, 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.560 even though it feels quote unquote rushed, like I don't 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.280 watch it and feel like, oh, I don't really know 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.520 who what this character wants are, Like, Like I don't 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.120 really I really wish I had seen you know what 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.600 I mean? Like it's it earns the pace that it gives, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.720 But I just think that it would be so much 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.760 fun to watch a lot of the things that they skipped. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.800 I know, it's not that I don't like what I have, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.040 It's that I want more of a good thing. And 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.920 also some things it's not that they feel unearned, but 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:53.559 like the way this episode ends with Lena Valerian instructing 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.520 her dragon to kill her because she knows she's going 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.000 to die from childbirth. Like it's an amazing scene. How 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:01.920 much more amazing would it have been if we had 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.800 spent that much more time with that character and really 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:09.360 understood what she and her family were losing. That being said, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.920 I'm addicted. I you know, we will be watching next 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.640 Sunday as well. I really did not think I was 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.760 going to get addicted to, Like I thought that Rings 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.120 of Power was going to be my appointment TV. And 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.760 lo and behold, this is actually satiating the thing that 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:25.760 I want out of that show, which we're not. We're 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.720 not going to talk about that brings rings era Well, 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:31.960 we'll see. I mean, the thing about Rings of Power 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.520 is like they could make seven episodes and I will 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.720 watch them all. You know what I mean. But but 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.719 you know, it's just not that good. It's not that good. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:43.160 Speaking of things that not that good. Um, we saw 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.160 don't worry Darling, and that was that was that was 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.160 a red herring transition because the gag of gags is 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:55.559 I actually really liked it. Well, I mean there's nuance 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.720 to that, there's nance to that. It's but I also 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.760 kind of like did quote unquote, but I don't think 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.439 that's how I felt when I left the theater. I 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.000 think I felt the way I felt when I left 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.440 the theater was the same as the guy that was 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:15.040 in our theater. When the credits role the movie ends, 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.319 there is two seconds of silence and you see a 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.240 guy walking already exiting the theater before the like right 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.120 as the credits roll, and he goes, what a piece 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.920 of shit? It was like a lot of very funny. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.720 The whole audience left, but like that's but this is 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.640 what I'm saying is that is very exemplar or of 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.200 the whole thing around this movie. That guy did that 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.280 for the lull. That guy did that to be a troll, 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.800 And that is how everyone is interacting with this movie, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:45.000 which actually, if there wasn't all of this drama build 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.960 up to it would have been perfectly fine. It's a 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.000 perfectly fine film. It's also what I will say is 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.760 I totally get what Harry Style said. It is a 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.800 movie that feels like a movie. It's that kind of 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.240 like go to the theater and watch a movie movie 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:05.040 he spelled. It is like that. Okay. I think that 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.400 the things that worked. Olivia Wilde's directing was very good. 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.240 It's a beautiful movie. The music is great. Some of 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.240 the things that aren't good are the right script, the 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.480 script which Olivia Wilde didn't write. I saw some interesting 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:21.440 TikTok's which were about how this movie there. This was 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.280 a story that Olivia Wilde brought and her writing partner rewrote. 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:30.600 And in the original it's much less feminist, and um, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.880 the originals less feminist. Yes, the original does what I 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:36.960 wish this movie had done, which is that you know 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:41.000 much earlier in the story about the reveal which spoiler 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.080 alert if you haven't seen, don't worry darling. Well, I mean, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:48.120 can we back up actually, because like I um feel 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.280 like despite the months of like controversy we've had around 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.160 this film, no one actually knows what it's about. And 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.320 like I think that if you don't know what it's about, 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.080 it's basically like a kind of intention community called the 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.920 Victory Project is living in a nineteen fifties esque kind 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.560 of like community where the husbands go off to work. 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.160 You don't really know what they're doing all day, and 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.080 the wife stay at home, and they've all agreed to 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.080 be a part of this constructed cultish community that is 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.240 kind of in the middle of the desert. Question Mark 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:23.200 and Florence, It's it's giving. Joshua Tree actually, like basically, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.640 Florence Pew carries the dramatic tension of this film by 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.600 kind of starting to notice an investi the things that 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.560 are like off or weird about this community. And that's 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.080 basically which which is the inciting incident of this is 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.240 that one of her friends in the community, played by 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.000 Kiki Lane, has suffered what seems to be some kind 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.880 of mental break And UM, I bring this up because 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.600 the latest round of drama in all this is that 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.880 Kiki Lane recently posted on Instagram that she was cut 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.120 from most of the movie. Um, which is kind of 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.920 fucked considering that she's one of the names on the 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.160 poster and yet she hasn't been involved in any of 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.680 the press, but she was used to sell this movie, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.960 and I do have to wonder if that's because she's 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.240 the only notable black lead and so even though her 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:13.119 part was cut down to almost nothing and very much 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.880 kind of fills the stereotype of being the like magical 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.359 black person who sets the white protagonist on their journey 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.840 of self discovery. She was cut from this movie but 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.040 was still used to sell it, and I'm glad she 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.119 posted about it because when she did, I was like, 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.320 you can tell that she was cut, Like there is god. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:31.760 I kind of want to get into the weeds to 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.080 be honest, Like, as you said, this is the inciting incident. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.000 And there's a moment where Florence is like, my friend 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.760 died spoiler alert, my friend, Like this happened to my friend. 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.000 It's like, actually, like there's nothing in the movie that 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.159 would suggest that you were friends, like really, like like 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.200 she called, you were like a lot of things rather 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.679 than being shown Yes, it's very stupid. Um, I felt 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.320 like the ending is such a fart that I couldn't 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:59.479 in totality enjoy what the movie was giving us. Well, 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.280 they felt like it was so lazy and cliche and 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.960 not earned. Well, this is going back to what I 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.919 said before, which is that I really believe that the 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.919 twist at the end of this movie, and spoiler alert 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.840 again for anyone who hasn't seen it, what's revealed is 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:19.840 that the victory Project is a simulation that has been 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:24.359 created by like Jordan's Peterson esque in cells to trap 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.760 women in and so their their literal partners. Well not always, 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.800 because they do. Say when Harry Styles is out in 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.119 the real world and is like getting into it, they're like, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.920 pick a woman who you have some kind of existing 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.639 relationship with, so it could be you know, your girlfriend, 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.639 your wife, it could be just like a friend of yours, 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.520 and they're they're kidnapping these women and putting them in 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:50.040 a simulation. The men have to care for these women 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.320 and it's funny. So Fran sent me a voice memo 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:57.200 last night asking me about some of this stuff, like 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.920 how the women piss and ship in the simulations if 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.960 you like the images, Like the simulation is literally like 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.639 Harry Styles and Florence Pe laying in a bed with 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.560 their like eyes applied open and like some sort of 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.920 like you know, VR being like projected into their eyes, 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.720 and it's like if they're laying there like their whole 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.840 lives like, but but they're not, because that's the whole 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.960 point is that she is. But he when he goes 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.520 to work every day, that that's him live leaving the 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.480 simulation and they asked him, will you be able to 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.880 get a job to support this? Will you be able 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.880 to take care of your wife? So I'm assuming he's 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.119 going out into the real world every day to work 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.760 some like stupid job, and then he comes home to 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.159 his slave wife laying in bed and he probably like 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:46.439 cleans her bedpan or her diaper, my god, and like 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:50.760 what refills her food catheter? Like that's never explained. That's 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.320 never explained. And this all goes back to my point 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.639 I've been trying to make, which is that I think 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:01.560 the reveal of the simulation would happen much earlier in 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:05.720 the movie. And in the original script it does and 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.840 you know, almost the whole film. So in the original script, 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.879 the first time that Alice breaks through the portal, she 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.320 finds out and then she goes back and kind of 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:19.160 keeps figuring out more and more and like goes out 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.920 again and comes back, and and I think that would 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.560 have been much more effective, because look, this is very 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.880 clearly uh kind of I'm not gonna say rip off, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.719 but heavily inspired by The Stepford Wives. And the thing 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:35.480 about the Stepford Wives is that you know what's happening, 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.639 you know what's happening in The Stepford Wives very early on. 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:41.840 You know that there's something about robots, that the men 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.560 are killing their wives, replacing them with robots, And the 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:49.600 tension doesn't come from the reveal. The tension comes from 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:53.920 this woman knowing what's happening and still making these choices 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.000 and trying to save herself, trying to save her friends, 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.960 trying to save her children. So I think that if 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.240 the reveal had happened much earlier in the film, there 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:07.040 would have been so much tension inherent in Florence trying 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:09.119 to figure out not only how to save herself, but 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.600 how to save the other women, trying to figure out 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.479 why this happened to her, And I think it just 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.320 would have been a much more interesting thing if the 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.439 whole movie didn't hinge on the Oh my god, it 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.359 was a simulation, because I think I think that's the 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:28.000 least interesting part of the movie. It's if your movie 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.680 ends in a and it was all the simulation, like 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.439 go back to film school. I'm sorry, Like that is 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:35.800 just not how movies can end. It's how movies can begin. 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.840 Because yeah, because I think something that's much more interesting 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.560 would have been. I thought Olivia Wilde was actually really 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.280 good in the movie, and one of her best scenes 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.240 was towards the end you find out that she's known 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:50.840 about the simulation the whole time. She's the only one 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.879 who's known, and she's decided to stay because her children 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:55.840 have died in the real world and now she has 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.920 them in the simulation. And I think so much more 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.680 could have been drawn out of that if you knew earlier, 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:03.320 and you could have spent more time with her and 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.280 the implications of that, and like are there other women 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.040