WEBVTT - There Are No Talking Ducks! 

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>So Saturday Night Live returned over the weekend, and I

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<v Speaker 2>like Jane Wickline, one of the new stars. I think

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<v Speaker 2>she's funny, my brother. I think she's the most unfunny

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<v Speaker 2>person they've ever had on Saturday Night Live. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>she did her Dario Amodi. They had Dario Amodi, her,

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<v Speaker 2>on as a guest during the news talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>fears of AI. AI is the devil and I its maker. What?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 1>No, well, so, look, Sam Altman, myself, all the major

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<v Speaker 1>AI players, we have talked about this extensively, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are all on the same page here. We do not

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<v Speaker 1>condone what we are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't you be talking about the pros of AI? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you guys keep saying that it's going to cure cancer? Yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 2>put it this way.

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<v Speaker 1>In 10 years, there is about a 10% chance that

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<v Speaker 1>cancer won't be.

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<v Speaker 2>A problem for anyone. I don't like the way you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying that, buddy. I mean, how is this a good thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Look, so, Che, it's simple. If you could drink a

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<v Speaker 1>milk that made your life easier, but there was a 10%

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<v Speaker 1>chance it killed you, would you drink the milk?

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<v Speaker 2>No. Really?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what if there was a button that when you

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<v Speaker 1>push it, everyone dies?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you push the button? No!

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<v Speaker 3>Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Dario, are you okay? I'm sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>Blacking out every time I talk. I'd love to start

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<v Speaker 1>this interview over, or better yet, you know, my whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole AI is going to kill us all obviously

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<v Speaker 2>has caught many people's attention.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And Joe is going to explain to us why it's

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<v Speaker 2>all a ruse, but Elon Musk was on one of

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<v Speaker 2>the big tech shows over the weekend, Peter Diamond's podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>and shared his predictions about what is coming, he believes

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<v Speaker 2>we're living through the singularity right now. That's where AI

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<v Speaker 2>becomes as smart or smarter than human beings. Or there

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<v Speaker 2>are many definitions for that. All these things have squishy definitions,

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<v Speaker 2>but where technological growth accelerates beyond human control. The part

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<v Speaker 2>that got my attention is this is the first time

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like He or anybody else has ever admitted

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<v Speaker 2>this out loud that we are heading for universal high

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<v Speaker 2>income and great social unrest. That isn't it's always been

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<v Speaker 2>presented in and won't that be great. And we have

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<v Speaker 2>said on this show. I don't know if I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>anybody else really talk about this, but as we've said

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<v Speaker 2>on this show, and what? You think that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>just automatically be fine? We will get a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>checks and we'll all be perfectly fine making the same

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<v Speaker 2>amount of money all of a sudden? And what? And

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<v Speaker 2>we've had some interesting discussions.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I should, you know, get the evidence back together

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<v Speaker 3>and launch it again on what would an economy look

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<v Speaker 3>like that had virtually no scarcity or no real opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>for 99.9% of us to get ahead. We would just

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<v Speaker 3>all be on the same government dole. all have the

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<v Speaker 3>same amount of plentiful money, who gets.

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<v Speaker 2>The house with the view of the ocean? Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Who gets that nice hilltop lot? Does everybody get Ferraris?

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<v Speaker 2>Right. There will still be some cars that are better

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<v Speaker 2>than other cars. I don't quite understand how it would

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<v Speaker 2>work either. And, as I always ask, when does it start?

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<v Speaker 2>Many people have lost their jobs due to AI already,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to grow a lot in the next year.

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<v Speaker 2>At what point does this income start? Who's gathering it

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<v Speaker 2>under what system and then handing it out? Nobody ever

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<v Speaker 2>says that. But the part that got my attention also was,

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<v Speaker 2>Elon saying the real danger is a life with no

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<v Speaker 2>challenge left. Elon's deepest worry is a WALL-E future. I

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<v Speaker 2>never watched WALL-E.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally. It's a good movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Compelling. I'll have to watch it with my kids. Appropriate

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<v Speaker 2>for the whole family. Henry and I watched Inglourious Bastards

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend, which I hadn't seen. Not appropriate for

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<v Speaker 2>the entire family. Which we hadn't. He's a teenager. Which

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<v Speaker 2>we hadn't seen. I hadn't seen since it was in

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<v Speaker 2>the theaters. Better than I remembered. Quentin Tarantino. The Little Violet.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Elon's worry with AI is if every desire is

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<v Speaker 2>met and nobody has a challenge, people would become couch potatoes.

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<v Speaker 2>An unchallenged life, he says, does not go well for humans. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not kind of just like a minor you

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<v Speaker 2>throw it in at the end of the discussion sort

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<v Speaker 2>of problem, is it? It's astounding. This is the first

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<v Speaker 2>time one of those guys has addressed this. Elon saying,

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<v Speaker 2>me and my super rich, super smart friends are developing

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<v Speaker 2>this technology. It is coming fast. Elon thinks in the

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<v Speaker 2>next year. And oh, by the way, it doesn't work

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<v Speaker 2>out for humans to have no challenges or desires left.

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<v Speaker 2>Then what are we doing? Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>We're inventing a machine that removes the need to strive

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<v Speaker 3>for anything, for success, for validation, for a place in society,

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<v Speaker 3>for sex, for artistic satisfaction. We'll remove the need to, well,

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<v Speaker 3>for a lot of people, though. It removes so many

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<v Speaker 3>of the incentives for writing a song or a poem

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<v Speaker 3>or writing a book or what have you, because machines

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<v Speaker 3>will crank them out so readily that, you know, what's

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<v Speaker 3>the point? There will be a niche market for human-made music, probably.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, it's just, yeah, at least they're finally addressing it.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is, I mean, it's among the most ancient

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<v Speaker 3>of proverbs that idle hands are the devil's plaything.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it weird, though? I don't... How is our national

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<v Speaker 2>conversation so stupid so often that I don't hear... I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to think. Even on the smart podcasts I listen to,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like I've heard them bring this up and, like,

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<v Speaker 2>really discuss it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what you just did? You just paraphrased the

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<v Speaker 3>great Homer Simpson. Why do the things that happen to

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<v Speaker 3>stupid people keep happening to me?

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is one of my favorite sayings of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Why are our discussions as a country so often

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<v Speaker 3>the discussions stupid people have?

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<v Speaker 2>But like, so if I said to my family, I've

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<v Speaker 2>figured out a way to keep our house warm in

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<v Speaker 2>the winter. I'm going to build a giant fire in

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<v Speaker 2>the living room. It'll keep the house warm. We'll no

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<v Speaker 2>longer have electricity bills. Problem solved. I've solved that problem. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And then somebody doesn't bring up until it's already happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Won't this burn down the house?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll likely burn down the house. Then why are we

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<v Speaker 2>doing it? Well, it solves the heating problem. Isn't that

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<v Speaker 2>analogy like perfect?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's decent, except it leaves out that we can't say, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be stupid and suicidal. So we're not doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>But your next door neighbor is going to burn down

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<v Speaker 3>your house, too. That would be China. China's going to

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<v Speaker 3>do this stuff no matter what we think, which is

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<v Speaker 3>another super interesting aspect of this I want to get

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<v Speaker 3>to eventually. How the idea that we're going to cooperate

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<v Speaker 3>with China and develop guidelines, friends, that is so stupidly fanciful. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like basing your life plan on finding a talking duck.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no chance it will ever happen. So what are

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<v Speaker 3>you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't trust China. Or talking ducks. What are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to do in retirement? Well, I'm planning on finding a

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<v Speaker 2>talking duck and asking it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Or putting it on the road or whatever. It

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<v Speaker 3>just doesn't matter why you need a talking duck.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a metaphor. Well, the point is... Put the duck back.

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<v Speaker 2>The real point is there are no talking ducks. So

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<v Speaker 2>this plan is fraught. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's idiotic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel the need to appoint like a subcommittee, a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of different subcommittees, because we're looking at several different

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<v Speaker 3>questions here. The first is the prospect of some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of nightmarish AI apocalypse and preventing that. That's where the

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<v Speaker 3>China thing comes into play. That's where I think this

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<v Speaker 3>is a game maybe, oh, God, Of regulatory capture by

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<v Speaker 3>the super giants.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I have zero worry about the whole Bill Gates

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<v Speaker 2>said over the weekend it could kill a billion people

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<v Speaker 2>or the claim that entropic in the hallways, they think

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<v Speaker 2>it'll kill all human beings. I have zero concern that

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<v Speaker 2>that is going to happen. I have tremendous concern. that

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<v Speaker 2>it is going to cause people to sit around and

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing to do and cause social unrest unlike maybe

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<v Speaker 2>anything ever seen in the United States and rarely seen

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<v Speaker 2>in world history.

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<v Speaker 3>It will be the disease that reduces human populations by

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<v Speaker 3>a staggering percentage. Beginning with, nobody will have any interest

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<v Speaker 3>in replenishing the population the old-fashioned way. Anyway, more on

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<v Speaker 3>very briefly, the doomsday scenario stuff, it seems more and

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<v Speaker 3>more clear to me, and Andy Kessler is an absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>terrific writer for the journal.

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<v Speaker 2>He was talking about how.

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<v Speaker 3>He gives this great example of what the big companies

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<v Speaker 3>are trying to do by whipping up some of the fear. Although,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I've got to put this over here. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>some of the crazy stuff is not impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not.

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<v Speaker 3>But right now, BMW and Mercedes in Europe have the

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<v Speaker 3>ability to put in what they're calling level three self-driving cars.

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<v Speaker 3>read a book, watch TikToks, text a friend. Just if

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<v Speaker 3>the thing says, please take over driving, you're there and

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<v Speaker 3>can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So that would be a step beyond what Tesla has

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Yeah, yeah, or so they say.

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<v Speaker 3>For what it's worth, Waymo and robo-taxis are level four,

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<v Speaker 3>completely driverless, and they don't even need somebody standing by.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, so the big German automakers could go from

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<v Speaker 3>level two to level three, but they realized if it's

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<v Speaker 3>level two and there's a crash, that's on the driver.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's level three and it crashes, that's probably on

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<v Speaker 3>the company.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I've been saying forever on the whole

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<v Speaker 2>Tesla thing. I don't know if insurance companies or state

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<v Speaker 2>governments or whatever are going to allow that.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right. So back to AI, Andy writes, with the

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<v Speaker 3>recent hubbub about agents escaping containers and human extinction and

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<v Speaker 3>guardrails and Dario Amadeus, we must pace the frontier. He writes,

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<v Speaker 3>I advise ignoring the noise and filtering everything for the question,

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<v Speaker 3>who's liable? And what these companies are trying to do

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<v Speaker 3>is establish a framework brought to them by the government

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<v Speaker 3>with their own guidance that says, listen, you follow rules A, B,

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<v Speaker 3>and C, and we'll protect you from liability. Meanwhile, go crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>go as fast as you can to beat China, but

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<v Speaker 3>with very, very limited liability.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead of regulatory capture in the way that you're

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<v Speaker 2>usually talking about it to keep competitors out, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to be responsible when this does this, this,

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<v Speaker 2>or this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's liability protection. That makes sense. That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he says, I'm with NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang on

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<v Speaker 3>AI models. He said, if you're not confident in its functionality, capability,

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<v Speaker 3>or safety, then don't release it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was talking to an engineer at a dinner

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<v Speaker 2>the other night, raising money for the scouts, good cause. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>but I sit next to an engineer at the dinner

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, it's an engineering problem. I'm an engineer.

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<v Speaker 2>If the, if it's doing this, it's because they've got

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<v Speaker 2>an engineering problem. The engineer should fix the problem. They

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<v Speaker 2>will fix the problem. He said, yeah, I, I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>And speaking of, uh, of, uh, old, uh, uh, Jensen, um,

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<v Speaker 3>He's come up with a great idea, brilliant idea. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to get into that and the question of China

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<v Speaker 3>coming up. Because the Chinese topic, people throw it around.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to work with China. Shut up. And we'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you why they need to shut up. How about

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<v Speaker 2>the world's only trillionaire saying there's going to be great

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<v Speaker 2>social unrest in the next year or two because of

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<v Speaker 2>this product? That doesn't get attention? We'll cross that bridge

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<v Speaker 2>when we're hanged on it.

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, stay tuned. Things are getting weird, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>getting weird fast. Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 5>A white woman in Pennsylvania who is a teacher admitted

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<v Speaker 5>that she's been lying for years about having Palestinian and

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<v Speaker 5>black heritage. Also, she's not from Pennsylvania, and she's not

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<v Speaker 5>a woman, and it's me.

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<v Speaker 2>So Saturday Night Live opened with some sort of Trump

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<v Speaker 2>sketch that I watched like 30 seconds of and flipped through.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why this didn't occur to me before.

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<v Speaker 2>The political things are never funny. The nonpolitical sketches and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff are usually funny. I wish they would do more

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<v Speaker 2>of those, which reminds me of because I've always liked

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<v Speaker 2>sketch comedy going back to Monty Python. We haven't talked

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<v Speaker 2>about John Cleese.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Has he been on fire lately from Monty Python? If

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know who he is from way back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day. If you're over a certain age, he's everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>comedy hero. He has really taken on radical Islam online

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<v Speaker 2>and getting a tremendous amount of hate and pushback and

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<v Speaker 2>threats for it. It's a pretty damned interesting story. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about that later.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to do that because one of his

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<v Speaker 3>main allies in that battle is Elon Musk right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Because Elon is going hard at the British system.

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<v Speaker 2>It was funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought the other day, I haven't really read Elon

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<v Speaker 3>being very political lately. you know, his tweets and such.

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<v Speaker 3>But part of it, he's so focused on Britain and

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<v Speaker 3>Britain giving itself away to radical Islam. So, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>happy to get into that topic. So a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>AI things to talk about, one this segment, one probably

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<v Speaker 3>next segment. But the first thing was another thing super

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<v Speaker 3>smart Jensen Huang is doing, and he may be the

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<v Speaker 3>smartest guy on Earth. He's certainly in your top, top, top,

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<v Speaker 3>top tier. He just announced that they make, NVIDIA makes

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<v Speaker 3>the chips that everybody uses worldwide the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody wants them for.

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<v Speaker 3>Their supercomputing computer centers. You build one of those big

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<v Speaker 3>controversial data centers out on the outskirts of the suburbs

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<v Speaker 3>and spend a zillion dollars and buy out all the farmers.

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<v Speaker 3>You need boatloads of NVIDIA's chips, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 3>want the good stuff. So, you know, the pushback against

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<v Speaker 3>AI is getting out of the sandbox. Mostly the sandbox

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<v Speaker 3>door is left open by incompetence. But anyway, so he's developed,

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<v Speaker 3>he's just announced they've launched a software platform to help

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<v Speaker 3>developers test and deploy artificial intelligence agents and keep them

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<v Speaker 3>in a secure environment. ramping up efforts to contain the

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<v Speaker 3>technology following that string of rogue incidents we've been talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, there's the free market at work. He's got this

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly valuable company, and he doesn't want this whole AI

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<v Speaker 2>thing to get thrown off track, so he's helping come

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<v Speaker 2>up with a way to align these things. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>In other words, the guy who sells gas pedals has

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<v Speaker 3>realized the car's getting so powerful it's scaring people, so

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<v Speaker 3>now he's developing brakes and saying, hey, look, here's some

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<v Speaker 3>super effective brakes. Put those on your car so I

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<v Speaker 3>can keep selling you gas pedals.

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<v Speaker 2>So crazy, crazy smart. Yeah. Whether that'll work or not.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm totally unqualified to weigh in on.

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<v Speaker 2>And so is everyone else. That's the great thing about AI.

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<v Speaker 2>You can say, you know, I'm not an expert. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>really is. Only experts are going around saying crazy ass.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of which, the whole we've got to work with

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<v Speaker 3>China angle is, oh man, in your personal life, make

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<v Speaker 3>this pledge to us. Somebody says that, slap them good

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<v Speaker 3>and hard, right upside the head. Not a closed fist.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't want to do any damage.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a wake-up call slap. Barbaric. That's right. This

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<v Speaker 2>is necessary. This is for your own good. Right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>What is whack? You'll thank me later, trust me.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you'll explain to them what we're about to

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<v Speaker 3>explain to you in the next fascinating segment.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to explain how I'm trying to be a

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<v Speaker 2>better mom when I started today. um that on later

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<v Speaker 2>also if you miss a segment get the podcast armstrong

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<v Speaker 2>and getter getty on demand.

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and getty.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't say strongly enough how much society not just

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<v Speaker 4>the companies but every academic think tank voter policymaker need

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<v Speaker 4>to really engage on how we want to shape this

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<v Speaker 4>technology um You know, there's no such thing as being

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<v Speaker 4>too focused on accelerating the good potential and minimizing some

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<v Speaker 4>truly horrific bad things that could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Bill Gates over the weekend. Don't you have an

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<v Speaker 2>island to visit or something? Bill Gates talking about AI. And,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, all the attention is going to, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>AI could be powerful enough to cause a billion deaths.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're such a stupid beast. That's the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>people talk about. It's like the Hitler thing. If you

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<v Speaker 2>compare somebody to Hitler, it becomes a discussion of whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not they are exactly like Hitler and all kinds of... Also, really,

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<v Speaker 2>really awful things get ignored because they committed.

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<v Speaker 3>Slightly fewer horrors than Hitler.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make them good.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the whether to cause a billion deaths. OK,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's everybody seems to be on board with the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it's going to be one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>disruptive things that's ever happened in human history. When we

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<v Speaker 2>discuss that, like grownups.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably worth observing for newer listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>A number of years ago, we decided that there were

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<v Speaker 3>too many gratuitous references to Hitler in the world, including

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<v Speaker 3>on the show, and that we would play the Hitler

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<v Speaker 3>ding as it's come to be called.

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<v Speaker 2>Too alertist.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to make sure that it doesn't become a habit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. So anyway, it hasn't worked at all. It's a decent.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, for the purposes of this discussion, I would argue

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<v Speaker 3>that it's, well, borderline.

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<v Speaker 2>But Bill Gates's point there was we need to be really,

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<v Speaker 2>really focused on alignment everywhere to try to make this work.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're about to tell us that that's pointless. Yes, indeed.

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<v Speaker 3>As I put it earlier, to count on cooperating with

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<v Speaker 3>China to usher us into the safe new world is

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<v Speaker 3>like basing your retirement plans on finding a talking duck.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an impossibility, an idiotic to even consider. So a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of different great pieces of journalism. One describing how

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<v Speaker 3>Trump and Xi Jinping were talking about AI at their

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<v Speaker 3>summit meeting, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Did anything come of that? Not much.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, um, in the U S the discussions have centered

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<v Speaker 3>on guarding against a powerful model that slips beyond human control, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Like an autonomous weapon that acts on its own, um,

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<v Speaker 3>a tool potent enough to help a rogue actor build

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<v Speaker 3>a weapon, a bio weapon, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Um, In China, all of their concerns are about the

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<v Speaker 3>threats it poses to the political order with the Communist

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<v Speaker 3>Party sitting on top. And so for the two parties

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<v Speaker 3>to get together and discuss it is....

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<v Speaker 2>It's fanciful.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, last week, I think it was, China's minister of

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<v Speaker 3>state security laid out the government's view of AI risk

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<v Speaker 3>in a party publication, which leaked, or we got all

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<v Speaker 3>of it. Anyway, the first danger he named wasn't to humanity,

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<v Speaker 3>but to the state. AI, he warned, could systematically affect

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<v Speaker 3>the political security environment, giving hostile forces the means to

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<v Speaker 3>mass-produce rumors, wage cognitive warfare, and stir unrest. In other words,

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<v Speaker 3>let people know that, you know, you could have freedom

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<v Speaker 3>and it's really, really great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I definitely buy the idea that China wants out-of-control

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<v Speaker 2>AI even less than we do. So we do have

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<v Speaker 2>that in common, but we're coming at it from such

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<v Speaker 2>different places. And again, getting back to last segment, the

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<v Speaker 2>problem with the whole AI discussion is... The bad case

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<v Speaker 2>scenarios are bad. The good case scenario is also horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if you got rid of all the dangers, if

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<v Speaker 3>it just.

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<v Speaker 2>Works the way they want it to work, like everything

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<v Speaker 2>works out perfectly, you end up with a tremendous social

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<v Speaker 2>unrest and nobody has a job. What?

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<v Speaker 3>And indeed, you know, to get more philosophical about it,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody has a purpose, really, other than seeking pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Which was exactly what Elon said over the weekend. There'll

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<v Speaker 2>be no purpose in life, and that's not good for humans.

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<v Speaker 2>And what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>So everybody's going to be a rich trust fund kid.

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<v Speaker 3>A Hollywood child star, as it were. Anyway, says Chris

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<v Speaker 3>McGuire worked on technology and China policy for quite a while,

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<v Speaker 3>and Beijing, quote, has consistently rejected overtures of serious collaboration

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<v Speaker 3>on AI safety with the U.S. Their number one priority

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<v Speaker 3>is becoming the global leader in AI, and it's unlikely

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<v Speaker 3>to implement measures that would slow down its AI development

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<v Speaker 3>as long as its AI capabilities are mere months behind

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<v Speaker 3>the U.S. labs.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got a complete misalignment of goals. I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 2>hilariously misaligned. And China's like.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no restraints at all.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going full speed ahead. We're trying to catch you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be ridiculous. Here's something I don't quite understand. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is being misconstrued. China's six months behind us,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of experts agree.

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<v Speaker 4>And.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how this is the sort of race that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if we get there six months ahead of China, what difference?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand why that makes any difference. So they'll

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<v Speaker 2>get there six months later? Or we won't be in

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<v Speaker 2>charge forever because we got there first?

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<v Speaker 3>Unless we weaponize it to squash their efforts the way

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<v Speaker 3>we assume they would do to us. But we're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to do that. What that looks like, again, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>totally unqualified.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to do that. We are not? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think so. You think the United States, who would

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<v Speaker 2>do that? Who would I hope? You're soft on China. Well, who,

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<v Speaker 2>the government? Yes, the government, fellow traveler. Okay, how does

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<v Speaker 2>the government end up in charge of the super AI

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<v Speaker 2>if we get there first? Or is Dario going to

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<v Speaker 2>do it on his own? And I don't think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you've got to have an Alex Carp at Palantir

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<v Speaker 3>who sells these systems to the Pentagon to quash China's efforts,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard anybody explain this. It doesn't make any

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<v Speaker 2>sense to me. Unless we use super AI to destroy China. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so they get there six months later.

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 3>I think the government could certainly strong-arm the tech companies

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<v Speaker 3>because at that point, they won't have the critical mass

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 3>that some people have described in science fiction-y terms, although

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<v Speaker 3>I don't mean to say unrealistic terms. They sound like

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<v Speaker 3>science fiction. Where these tech companies are so powerful, they're

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.660
<v Speaker 3>much more powerful than the government. The government can't tell

0:25:22.700 --> 0:25:25.119
<v Speaker 3>them what to do. The government is kind of the

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 3>little brother asking, hey, would it be cool if we

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<v Speaker 3>But prior to getting to that point, yeah, the United

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<v Speaker 3>States government and the Pentagon could say to OpenAI, for instance, look,

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.700
<v Speaker 3>you got to sell us this technology and we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to dominate China through AI something or other. That I

0:25:45.580 --> 0:25:47.530
<v Speaker 3>can only guess at. But, no, your question is an

0:25:47.570 --> 0:25:50.310
<v Speaker 3>excellent one. And it's yet another one of those questions

0:25:50.330 --> 0:25:51.810
<v Speaker 3>that's not even being asked much.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute. So we get there sooner. Who cares?

0:25:54.850 --> 0:25:55.189
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:25:55.590 --> 0:25:58.030
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like the atomic bomb. It worked for

0:25:58.109 --> 0:26:02.530
<v Speaker 2>ending WWII, beating the Nazis. I used that exact example

0:26:02.570 --> 0:26:04.970
<v Speaker 2>last week. It did matter that we got there first

0:26:05.010 --> 0:26:07.389
<v Speaker 2>with the atomic bomb. Because if Hitler had gotten it first,

0:26:07.430 --> 0:26:09.889
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously that would have been a problem. But

0:26:09.950 --> 0:26:12.120
<v Speaker 2>shortly after we got it and used it, World War

0:26:12.170 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 2>II was over, all the bad guys had it. So

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<v Speaker 2>then it was, okay, now what? Isn't the exact same

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:22.460
<v Speaker 2>thing going to happen with AI very quickly? Yeah, sure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Except that it will be used.

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<v Speaker 3>In ways, small, medium, large, and highly nefarious.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you think it's portrayed by the dumb, dumb media?

0:26:34.590 --> 0:26:36.860
<v Speaker 2>Like whoever gets there first, then it's over. The race

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<v Speaker 2>is over.

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<v Speaker 4>100%.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.820
<v Speaker 3>Once again, asking the questions no one is smart enough

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<v Speaker 3>to ask.

0:26:43.540 --> 0:26:45.740
<v Speaker 2>Armstrong, Getty, or something. I don't know. We ought to

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>put that on a t-shirt.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I want to get to the other aspect of

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 3>the China thing that I find very, very interesting. I mean,

0:26:52.580 --> 0:26:56.350
<v Speaker 3>this is like super mind-blowing interesting, if you're the right

0:26:56.390 --> 0:26:56.790
<v Speaker 3>sort of person.

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<v Speaker 2>I put out the call last week for a Tim

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<v Speaker 2>the Lawyer for AI, explaining how we ended up with

0:28:09.650 --> 0:28:13.940
<v Speaker 2>Tim the Lawyer, just a caller, becoming Tim Sandefur, helping

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.100
<v Speaker 2>us with all kinds of legal questions. We're on all

0:28:17.260 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 2>over Silicon Valley, a bunch of different stations. If you're like,

0:28:21.460 --> 0:28:23.400
<v Speaker 2>you think you can talk to regular people about this

0:28:23.420 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff and an expert in this world, geez, get ahold

0:28:25.540 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 2>of us, email, text, something like that. And we'll make

0:28:27.660 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 2>you a regular court. We need a regular correspondent on

0:28:29.940 --> 0:28:30.420
<v Speaker 2>this topic.

0:28:31.190 --> 0:28:34.430
<v Speaker 3>Or just send your brainwaves into our brains the same

0:28:34.470 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 3>way Apple sends their killer wave from Cupertino to make

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 3>your old iPhone not work very well anymore. So you

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 3>have to buy a new one. We know you people

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 3>have that technology. Don't lie to us.

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Please. All of a sudden, God, my battery life is terrible.

0:28:51.580 --> 0:28:55.950
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'll have to get the new 18. Right. Bastards.

0:28:56.510 --> 0:28:58.570
<v Speaker 2>So I thought this was super interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>In Silicon Valley, the computer scientists keep sharing their nightmares

0:29:05.100 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 3>with us, and AI is so advanced, humans can't stop

0:29:07.540 --> 0:29:09.959
<v Speaker 3>it from launching a global drone war, maybe setting off

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:15.310
<v Speaker 3>a nuclear bomb. In Beijing, the response is simple. You

0:29:15.330 --> 0:29:18.090
<v Speaker 3>pull the plug, you impose an internet blackout, and haul

0:29:18.130 --> 0:29:21.250
<v Speaker 3>anybody who is responsible for the rogue AI into the

0:29:21.310 --> 0:29:25.090
<v Speaker 3>prison and put them next to poor Jimmy Lai for

0:29:25.110 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 3>the rest of their days. Or maybe skin them and

0:29:27.780 --> 0:29:29.660
<v Speaker 3>put them on display in that show they had traveled

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:30.660
<v Speaker 3>around the country for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that was interesting. So for a lot of people

0:29:35.990 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 2>in China.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is written by, uh, what is her name?

0:29:40.700 --> 0:29:44.660
<v Speaker 3>Lily Ko, who is the like a Taiwan based China

0:29:44.700 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 3>correspondent for the wall for the New York times. Um,

0:29:49.030 --> 0:29:51.630
<v Speaker 3>She says, she writes, for many in China, these doomsday

0:29:51.670 --> 0:29:55.510
<v Speaker 3>warnings feel remote and distinctly Western. The idea that the

0:29:55.550 --> 0:29:58.250
<v Speaker 3>ruling Communist Party could lose control over a technology is

0:29:58.370 --> 0:30:03.460
<v Speaker 3>almost unfathomable. The authorities have successfully policed other potentially destabilizing

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 3>technologies before, most notably the Internet. During the pandemic, the

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 3>government showed its ability to contain major crises by locking

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.220
<v Speaker 3>down entire cities and tracking hundreds of millions of residents internally.

0:30:14.570 --> 0:30:15.930
<v Speaker 3>Every day of their lives. Right.

0:30:15.970 --> 0:30:19.330
<v Speaker 2>They welded, shut the doors of big apartment complexes. And

0:30:19.350 --> 0:30:21.650
<v Speaker 2>then they sent around that damn drone that Mike likes

0:30:21.670 --> 0:30:25.670
<v Speaker 2>to play the audio. You have that, Andy? They can immediately.

0:30:25.690 --> 0:30:30.020
<v Speaker 2>Control your soul's desire for freedom or something like that. Right, exactly. Yeah,

0:30:30.060 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>that's horrifying. I'd say, yeah. Shut up. That's what I

0:30:33.660 --> 0:30:34.060
<v Speaker 2>would have said.

0:30:35.110 --> 0:30:38.300
<v Speaker 3>Here's a Silicon Valley-based tech writer who focuses on this stuff, saying,

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.060
<v Speaker 3>they can immediately cut off the grid of an entire city.

0:30:41.300 --> 0:30:43.380
<v Speaker 3>They can go to different people to take away their phones.

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 3>They have an immense amount of power in the physical world.

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:49.430
<v Speaker 3>And given this amount of control over its people, how

0:30:49.490 --> 0:30:53.790
<v Speaker 3>does one convince the Communist Party that something like AI

0:30:54.210 --> 0:30:57.530
<v Speaker 3>lives on a computer is actually scary or should.

0:30:57.370 --> 0:30:58.150
<v Speaker 2>Be to them?

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<v Speaker 3>And In China, the apocalyptic warnings sound like just an

0:31:03.790 --> 0:31:07.930
<v Speaker 3>American ploy, a plot, to stop Chinese AI companies from

0:31:08.010 --> 0:31:11.710
<v Speaker 3>overtaking their U.S. rivals. In fact, Chinese media is suggesting

0:31:12.090 --> 0:31:16.130
<v Speaker 3>that the harem-scarum stories we've been talking about recently are

0:31:16.170 --> 0:31:20.090
<v Speaker 3>just fear marketing to maintain their market lead. They just

0:31:20.150 --> 0:31:23.490
<v Speaker 3>tune out. They scoff and roll their eyes, according to

0:31:23.530 --> 0:31:26.670
<v Speaker 3>this one professor at Unpronounceable University in China.

0:31:28.900 --> 0:31:30.590
<v Speaker 2>And then this is the part I really liked and

0:31:30.630 --> 0:31:31.610
<v Speaker 2>I knew you would like, Jack.

0:31:32.450 --> 0:31:35.270
<v Speaker 3>For some, AI doomerism with its idea of a looming

0:31:35.310 --> 0:31:41.190
<v Speaker 3>apocalypse and reckoning for mankind seems overtly Christian and especially foreign.

0:31:41.570 --> 0:31:44.290
<v Speaker 3>One blogger compared Western AI fears to novels like Mary

0:31:44.310 --> 0:31:48.550
<v Speaker 3>Shelley's Frankenstein. The motif is which, and that's a word

0:31:48.650 --> 0:31:51.710
<v Speaker 3>I never use if I'm not sitting in an English class.

0:31:52.150 --> 0:31:53.670
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to use it every day this week. That's

0:31:53.710 --> 0:31:57.290
<v Speaker 2>my vow. I love that. The motif is that man is...

0:31:57.260 --> 0:32:00.020
<v Speaker 2>Can I have a ham sandwich with a motif? A

0:32:00.060 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>motif of Swiss cheese, please? You want Swiss cheese? Yes.

0:32:05.140 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh, okay.

0:32:06.340 --> 0:32:08.860
<v Speaker 2>They'll scrunch their brow and just give you Swiss cheese. Yeah,

0:32:09.020 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I love that.

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:14.850
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, but the motif, the theme of Frankenstein, if you will,

0:32:15.190 --> 0:32:18.990
<v Speaker 3>was that man is punished for trying to create life,

0:32:19.930 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 3>which is the exclusive domain of God. And this tech

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:28.459
<v Speaker 3>blogger in China said, this narrative tradition does not.

0:32:28.370 --> 0:32:31.770
<v Speaker 2>Exist in Chinese culture. We don't look at it like

0:32:31.810 --> 0:32:32.670
<v Speaker 2>that at all.

0:32:33.650 --> 0:32:38.190
<v Speaker 3>Chinese culture emphasizes the oneness of heaven and humanity and

0:32:38.230 --> 0:32:40.810
<v Speaker 3>the idea that man was an integral part of nature.

0:32:41.230 --> 0:32:45.290
<v Speaker 3>So all things, including AI, come from nature. So technology

0:32:45.310 --> 0:32:47.950
<v Speaker 3>is seen as more a companion and coexistence than an

0:32:48.110 --> 0:32:50.470
<v Speaker 3>outside force destined to bring destruction.

0:32:50.490 --> 0:32:53.100
<v Speaker 2>You're wrong, China. Yeah, you are.

0:32:53.580 --> 0:32:59.530
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and Frankenstein rambled over the countryside throwing children into wells.

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<v Speaker 2>So if that's what you want, enjoy.

0:33:04.950 --> 0:33:08.980
<v Speaker 3>Control your soul's desire for a Frankenstein dream. Control your

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.780
<v Speaker 3>soul's desire for freedom. Yeah, exactly.

0:33:11.820 --> 0:33:13.220
<v Speaker 2>If that's what you want.

0:33:14.130 --> 0:33:14.670
<v Speaker 3>Enjoy.

0:33:15.590 --> 0:33:19.610
<v Speaker 2>Children thrown into wells? Fine. Stupid commies. Knock yourself out,

0:33:19.630 --> 0:33:25.170
<v Speaker 2>you idiot commies. Yeah, good luck, idiots. I agree. Oh, man.

0:33:25.190 --> 0:33:31.470
<v Speaker 2>Any thoughts on any of that? Text line 415-295-KFTC. Asking

0:33:31.490 --> 0:33:36.830
<v Speaker 2>the questions. Uh-oh. Others are too dumb to ask. Okay.

0:33:37.710 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 3>The Armstrong. And Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, speed it up.

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<v Speaker 5>Slow guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and Getty. 16 seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Four-man rush.

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<v Speaker 2>Stafford about to get hit. Throw it in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's caught by Williams at the 14.

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<v Speaker 3>10 seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Can they get it down? The scramble's on. Final play

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<v Speaker 2>of the game. Stafford fires.

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<v Speaker 4>It's out.

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<v Speaker 2>Who found out? Hogan intercepted. The Broncos win. Sorry, Rams fans.

0:34:13.100 --> 0:34:16.710
<v Speaker 2>You're one and two. Hopes dashed. The team that was

0:34:16.750 --> 0:34:19.330
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be the odds-on favorite to win the Super Bowl.

0:34:21.170 --> 0:34:24.009
<v Speaker 2>Another L.A. team that was supposed to be playoff bound.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the worst teams in league history, statistically. The L.A. Chargers.

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<v Speaker 2>We won't dwell on that. We got lots coming up.

0:34:33.730 --> 0:34:35.469
<v Speaker 2>We're only halfway through the show and we got a

0:34:35.489 --> 0:34:37.799
<v Speaker 2>bunch of other topics that we need to get to

0:34:38.300 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 2>where we are with a couple of different wars and

0:34:41.180 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 2>all that different sorts of stuff. Some economic news that's very,

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 2>very interesting. People have a sour attitude about the economy

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 2>right now. Yeah, true. I can understand why.

0:34:51.700 --> 0:34:53.770
<v Speaker 3>If inflation is high, nothing else matters.

0:34:54.469 --> 0:34:57.509
<v Speaker 2>I wonder at what point I'll stop being shocked at

0:34:57.570 --> 0:35:01.350
<v Speaker 2>what the groceries add up to. It hasn't happened yet.

0:35:03.310 --> 0:35:05.890
<v Speaker 2>Just a simple meal out. Oh yeah.

0:35:06.030 --> 0:35:06.190
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:35:06.230 --> 0:35:06.370
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:06.430 --> 0:35:09.490
<v Speaker 2>Eating out is crazy, but, or yeah, either one of those,

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 2>the bill at eating out or, or when they ring

0:35:12.100 --> 0:35:14.859
<v Speaker 2>up eight items, a hundred, how do I spend $ 110

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:16.379
<v Speaker 2>to grocery store just now?

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:35:17.460 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 2>And it's stunning. And that's why people have such a

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 2>sour attitude. Anyway, different topic. I'm trying to become a

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:27.050
<v Speaker 2>better mom. I, uh, I, I feel like I'm a

0:35:27.090 --> 0:35:29.129
<v Speaker 2>really good dad. I am not a very good mom.

0:35:30.090 --> 0:35:34.009
<v Speaker 2>And I'm okay with the fact that, uh, Those are

0:35:34.030 --> 0:35:36.700
<v Speaker 2>different skills. It's a different skill set. And in an

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:41.100
<v Speaker 2>ideal world, you have both of them utilizing their skill sets. Right.

0:35:41.180 --> 0:35:43.980
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not good at the mom thing. I'm trying

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:45.540
<v Speaker 2>to pick up. I was talking to a mom over

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.259
<v Speaker 2>the weekend. She's talking, telling me about all the notes

0:35:48.340 --> 0:35:52.109
<v Speaker 2>she lives for kids in their lunches or whatever. And

0:35:52.469 --> 0:35:59.190
<v Speaker 2>like actually laminates positive phrases to stick them on the shower.

0:35:59.210 --> 0:36:01.509
<v Speaker 2>So they take a shower in the morning. They see,

0:36:01.550 --> 0:36:05.380
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, be kind to people, a good attitude,

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.620
<v Speaker 2>you know, just that sort of stuff. It's like, that's

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:10.339
<v Speaker 2>the sort of stuff moms do that I just, I don't,

0:36:10.500 --> 0:36:14.219
<v Speaker 2>I don't get around to. And so I'm going to

0:36:14.260 --> 0:36:15.700
<v Speaker 2>try to get, I'm going to try to get better

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:17.919
<v Speaker 2>at that. That's my goal currently to be a better mom.

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:23.850
<v Speaker 3>It's, it's tough with teenagers, especially because, so you're like

0:36:23.910 --> 0:36:25.390
<v Speaker 3>jumping into the deep end of the pool.

0:36:25.430 --> 0:36:29.070
<v Speaker 2>You're starting with the advanced. Sure. Phase.

0:36:29.150 --> 0:36:29.350
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:29.630 --> 0:36:29.890
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

0:36:30.050 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 2>But then, and you know, just also, It takes a

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.610
<v Speaker 2>certain amount of time. That's where it falls off. When

0:36:36.630 --> 0:36:39.650
<v Speaker 2>you get two people, you obviously can split those tasks.

0:36:39.710 --> 0:36:42.950
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, that is my goal from now on is

0:36:42.989 --> 0:36:43.950
<v Speaker 2>to try to be a better mom.

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<v Speaker 3>That's beautiful. I totally get it. Ideally, as you say,

0:36:48.590 --> 0:36:51.169
<v Speaker 3>it's a team sport, but you got to do what you.

0:36:51.090 --> 0:36:51.529
<v Speaker 2>Got to do.

0:36:51.790 --> 0:36:54.290
<v Speaker 3>Maybe take some of those powerful hormones and start lactating

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<v Speaker 3>just as a step down that road.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't want to be a weird dad. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to continue on that road. I'm brainstorming here. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I need a little more of the mom's sensitive touch area. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That I'm not as good at as the dad part.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the skinned knee in the playground to me is

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<v Speaker 3>the perfect metaphor.

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<v Speaker 2>Mom says, oh, come here. Dad says, you're fine. Go play.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll say, you're fine. Go play. Run out behind

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<v Speaker 2>the bushes. Put on a wig. Come back. Say, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I'll start doing. Perfectly reasonable.

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and Getty.