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He says 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: he's got assurances that the killing of protesters has stopped. 37 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: He doesn't say where he got those assurances, how he 38 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: got those assurances, But what it really tells me is 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: he wanted to walk back the threat because he knew 40 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: it was very complicated. What were you going to strike? 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: Where were you going to strike? He already did the 42 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: nuclear hit. Are you're going to go after more of 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: the nuclear sites? What were you going to do to 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: send that message? What were you going to do that 45 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: would not And you know, of course, people got really 46 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: nervous a couple of hours before I'm taping this because 47 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: suddenly our basin cutter. We were moving folks basically preparing 48 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: for a retaliation, potential retaliation from Iran. So it was 49 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: making people think this was imminent and that something was 50 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: about to happen. And then literally an hour after that report, 51 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: we had the President come out indicating that he had 52 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: gotten this assurance. But look, there's a lot of moving parts. 53 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: We also know that the administration met with Danish officials 54 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: and it's a stalemate. I should read you. I think 55 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: this is it is. This is Donald Trump, real estate negotiator. Here. 56 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: I will read you this tweet. The United States needs 57 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: greenland for the purpose of national security. It is vital 58 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: for the Golden Dome that we are building. This idea 59 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: that the so called dome that protects Israel, that we 60 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: helped of course fund, and that has been fairly successful 61 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: at keeping Israel safe from missile attacks, that somehow this 62 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: is something that can essentially be built and if you're 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: old enough, you'll start Hey, this has the feel of 64 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: Star Wars too, right, which was what Reagan called it 65 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: back in the day. It felt like more like a 66 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: financial boondoggle that was only going to make a bunch 67 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: of defense contractors rich. And even the Golden Dome feels 68 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: like it's a boondoggle that's likely only going to make 69 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: a bunch defense contractors rich. But I digress, So he 70 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: brings up his Golden Dome, and then he adds this 71 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: NATO should be leading the way for us to get it. 72 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: Referring to Greenland, he says, if we don't, Russia or 73 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: China will, and that is not going to happen. And 74 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: then he continues to argue Militarily, without the vast power 75 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: of the United States, much of what I've built during 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: my first term and am now bringing to a new 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: and even higher level, NATO would not be an effective 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: force or deterrent, not even close. They know that, and 79 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: so do I. NATO becomes far more formidable and effective 80 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: with Greenland in the hands of the United States, anything 81 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: less than that is unacceptable. Thank you for attention to 82 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: this matter. Okay, so what is he really saying here? 83 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: If you want to read between the lines, he's basically saying, 84 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: so North America Treaty Organization, it's a mighty fine multilateral 85 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: agreement you got. There be a shame if it was destroyed. 86 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: So here are my terms if you want the single 87 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: most important member of NATO to stay in NATO. Now 88 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: is he serious on this? We know he's serious about Greenland? 89 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: Is he serious about pulling out a NATO? Is he 90 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: really serious about that? Would the US Senate you know 91 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: that that would be a line in the sand the 92 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: idea that he's you know of, And he's not quite 93 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: saying it, but he certainly is implying it that he 94 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: wants to hold NATO membership hostage in exchange for control 95 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: of Greenland. I would say this is a non starter, except, 96 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: as we all know, it has been astonishing how many 97 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: countries have been to his will at times. Whether Europe 98 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: will do this, I don't think they will. I think 99 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: this is going to be their line in the sand. 100 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: But and I'm not sure just buying Greenland is going 101 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 1: to be considered or something that is feasible, if you will. 102 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: But let's talk about the reality. You know, this might 103 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: be easier to make happen if people that lived in 104 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: Greenland wanted to leave the Kingdom of Denmark, but they 105 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: do not. And of course the more Donald Trump saber 106 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: rattles about Greenland, the more apparently it has made Greenlanders 107 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: more defiant about this, and it has made Danes more 108 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: defiant about this, and it's likely to make Europeans more 109 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: defying about this. So this Greenland situation, I think is 110 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: a lot more serious. And I'll fully confess that I 111 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: vacillate between snickering when I hear about this Greenland thing 112 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: and then realizing, my god, is this the thing that's 113 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: going to completely sever our relationship with Europe for good? 114 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin couldn't have asked for a better scenario, right, 115 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: What does Putin want more than anything else? The end 116 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: of NATO. So that is why even uttering a sort 117 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: of threat like this, essentially the old that's a mighty 118 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: nice it's a mighty nice military pact. You got there, 119 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: defense pack, they got there. Be ashamed of something happened 120 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: to it that he's dangling that And then trying to say, hey, 121 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: if you put it in our hands, then hey, then 122 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: NATO's going to be in great shape. Then you're going 123 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: to get everything you want there. So look, I don't 124 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: think we're taking Greenland militarily, right, that seems to be 125 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: off the table. But it does seem as if he's 126 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: trying to find a way to buy it. Right, either 127 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: you buy it directly or you buy it indirectly via 128 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: threats in NATO, but essentially it becomes some sort of 129 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: financial transaction. But this is this is on a level 130 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: that you're just sitting there going what are we doing? 131 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: And this is not going to be good for the 132 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: long run for the United States, but it sort of 133 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: gets it to a larger issue. Right, the American bubblic 134 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: isn't gonna you know, politically, everything he's doing here is 135 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: not good politics for him, not because the country doesn't 136 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: want Greenland, or not because people think Maduro is a 137 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: good guy, or not because they What it really is 138 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: is anytime presidents are more focused on anything that's not 139 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: in the United States of America, while you have an 140 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: economy that most people don't like, like the economy we 141 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: currently have, you're setting yourself up for while he's focused 142 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: on this, you know, he's not focused on grocery prices. 143 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: While he's focused on this, he's not focused on lowering 144 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: electric bills. So all you know, the more time that 145 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: he spends on Greenland, the more time that he spends 146 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: saber rattling with Iran, the more time he spends even 147 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: talking about toppling the regime in Cuba. It is. It 148 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: is the message being sent to everybody outside the state 149 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: of Miami, which for those of you that wonder what 150 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: I refer to as the state of Miami, it is. 151 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: It's an old Howard Schnellenberger ism. Yes, I have hurricanes 152 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: on the brain. Deal with it. Where he used to 153 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: say those three counties in South Florida, Palm Beach County, 154 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: Broward County, in Dade County, as far as football recruiting 155 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: purposes were, that's the state of Miami. Well as far 156 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: as caring about Latin American politics, that's the state of 157 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: Miami too. And so where's Donald Trump's vacation home in 158 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: the state of in the in the in the Palm 159 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: Beach District, in the state of Miami. So you know, 160 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: he's got a feedback loop of essentially former ex you know, 161 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: Cuban exiles, Venezuelan exiles, all big money people who have 162 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: been working him at mar A Lago. So you know, 163 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: he hears that and thinks what he's doing is really 164 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: popular over there. But in the rest of the country 165 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: it may not be unpopular getting rid of Maduro, but 166 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: it is not seen as a priority on that front. 167 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: But it does you know what, what what this really 168 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: begs for is a longer conversation about, all right, what 169 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: we're really having here, and we haven't. And I wish 170 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: we would have this debate, and I don't even think 171 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: we're going to have it in our next presidential campaign. 172 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: I wish we would, but I don't see it coming. 173 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: Which is what should be America's role in the world. 174 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: And I want to share with you some highlights of 175 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: an extraordinarily important i'd call it a policy paper that's 176 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: been put out by the Council on Foreign Relations, authored 177 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: by one of their senior analysts, the Henry Kissinger Fellow 178 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: for Foreign Policy. It's a gentleman by the name of 179 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: Robert Blackwell. I've known him a long time. He's one 180 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: of the he is he's basically, you know, part of 181 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: that circle of you know, I've always said, you know, 182 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: before Trump, much of American form policy was fairly bipartisan, 183 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: meaning Clinton's national security advisor, you know, Clinton's national security advisor, 184 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: George W. Bush's national security advisor, Barack Obama's national security advisor, 185 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: would agree on ninety percent of the of the goals, 186 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: even agree on eighty percent of the tactics to use. 187 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: There'd be disagreements on what to do here and what 188 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: to do there, but there was generally agreement. These are priorities, 189 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: These are not we should be this free trade alliance 190 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: over here, et cetera. And Robert Blackwell is from that 191 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: school more on the Republican side for a while, has 192 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: sort of shifted over as a lot of sort of 193 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: ex Republicans, if you will, have shifted over in the 194 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: Trump era, because this is you know, it's not just 195 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: it's less you know, it's not just the character and 196 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: ethics of Trump in the foreign policy community. I mean, 197 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: Trump's an isolationists, right, and he is believing in this 198 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: Great Powers debate that that's what this is, and then 199 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: that's what our RN policy should be. He's not a multilateralist, 200 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: right and by the way, he's never been a multilateralist. 201 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: Even when he was first dabbling in politics back in 202 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: the late eighties, he was upset about trade agreements with Japan. 203 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: So he's never been big on any kind of multilateralism 204 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: in general. So this is why we should take his threat. 205 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't care about the future of NATO, right, he 206 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: could take it or leave it. And that is why 207 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: in his sort of why his willingness. Right, when you 208 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: speak to any gambler, if you're willing to gamble something, 209 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: if you're willing to gamble your house, gamble your car 210 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: means you really don't love your house. You really don't 211 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: love your car. He's willing to gamble this NATO alliance 212 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: over Greenland. It's less about his desire for Greenland and 213 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: more I think telling that he just doesn't care whether 214 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: NATO lasts. He doesn't view it because he doesn't view 215 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: Russia as a threat that is to be contained, where 216 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: NATO obviously does, and considering what Russia's been doing in Ukraine, 217 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: I think that it is certainly that. But I want 218 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: to give you a few highlights of this. You should 219 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: go read it. It's on the Council on Foreign Relations. 220 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: But it's a tour to force, and I'm just giving 221 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: you some top lines here of it. Let me just 222 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: lay out his sort of you know, he sort of 223 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: sets the table, and I think this line here sort 224 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: of sums it up pretty well. Mister Blackwell writes, we 225 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: throw around the phrase foreign policy chaos a lot, but 226 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: what we're really living through right now is something more fundamental, 227 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: a collapse of consensus about what America's role in the 228 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: world even is. He you know, that says what I 229 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: was just trying to explain better than how I just 230 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: explained it. Right, We had a consensus, right frankly, from 231 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: Nixon to Carter, from Carter to Reagan, from Reagan to 232 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: Bush Bush to Clinton, Clinton to Bush Bush to Obama. 233 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: It was and if I had a President Romney it 234 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: would have been similar. If you had a President carry 235 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: it would have been similar. If you had a President 236 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton it would have been similar. And you saw 237 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: it sort of some similarities with Biden. So because there 238 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: was a consensus, the consensus being multilateralism is good. Free 239 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: trade for the most part, has only been more positive 240 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: and negative. Now obviously it's that globalization. It's been free 241 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: trade that has been seen as as it has been 242 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: weaponized politically internally, we can have a longer debate about 243 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: free trade. But what has not worked for you know, 244 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: the expansion of free trade has helped America's bottom line 245 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: hard stop. More people are doing well. All of that 246 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: is true. The problem is places like Ohio and Iowa 247 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: have been gutted while places like Texas and Alabama have thrived. Right, 248 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: it's it's you know, so it has been uneven and 249 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: then when that has overlaped with our competitive political arena, 250 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: it is perhaps made the trade issue almost higher up 251 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: and sort of made the idea of America first a 252 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: bit more appealing. So I understand why it has gone. 253 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: So let me sort of outline the stakes he sets. 254 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: As we've got China is rising, Russia is destabilizing Europe, 255 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: there's still Middle East volatility, we have this fragmentation in 256 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: the global trade environment, and there's just domestic exhaustion in 257 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: the United States with leadership in general, the institutional leaders, 258 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: all of our leaders of institutions. It's not just politics, 259 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: but it's all around. So as he points out what's 260 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: missing as a grand strategy, right, we don't really have 261 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: currently an operating system underneath our foreign policy because we 262 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: don't have a consensus on what it should be. And 263 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: in fact, what this really means is we're going to 264 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: go back a little bit to how to the rudimentary 265 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: form policy of the late nineteenth century early twentieth century, 266 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: where it's going to change depending on who the president 267 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: is a lot, not a little where starting with starting 268 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: really with FDR and going forward, it didn't change much 269 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: from Truman to Eisenhower, Eisenhower to Kennedy and so on 270 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: and so forth, because we had a theory of the case, 271 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: we operated under it and we proceeded. Obviously, ever since 272 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: the fall of the Berlin Wall coupled with nine to eleven, 273 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: there have been cracks in this theory of the case 274 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: going forward, hence the situation we're in now. So grand 275 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: strategy right, what we need is an agreement on how 276 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: a country uses all of its power military, economic, diplomatic, technological, 277 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: and yes, moral right. This is not necessarily coming up 278 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: with a doctrine or a slogan or a campaign promise. 279 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: It is simply trying to come up with a theory 280 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: of how a nation stays safe and prosperous over time. 281 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: That's ultimately why you need a foreign policy to support 282 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: the safety, security, and prosperity of your nation, pure and simple. Okay, 283 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: And you know what, You're not going to have a 284 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: grand strategy without trade offs, right? Can your nation build everywhere? 285 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: Can you spread democracy everywhere? When do you pick and 286 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: choose rights? That's what your trade offs are. Currently, as 287 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: he puts it, that there are five competing schools of 288 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: thought of what the grand strategy should be. He calls 289 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: one the primacy strategy. That America is the undisputed global superpower. 290 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: We should prevent any peer competitor from emerging. That means you, China, 291 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: we should have heavily heavy military dominance and do nation 292 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: building if it's necessary. Now, one could argue that this 293 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: kind of is actually what Trump would prefer, right, that 294 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: he's less an isolationist and more of a believer in 295 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: the primacy right, great powers if you will. Now. Blackwell 296 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: argues that the reason that view is a faltering view 297 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 1: is that China already is a peer competitor and the 298 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: idea of a unipolar moment is over right. That moment 299 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: seemed the end of history. Right after the fall of 300 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: Berlin Wall. It seemed like we were head to do 301 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: a unipolar moment. But as it turns out, we will not. 302 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: Then there's the idea of liberal internationalism, which is arguably 303 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: the world we did live in for about the last 304 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: fifty years of the twentieth century. The rules based order, alliances, institutions, 305 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: promotion of democracy. 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The problem with that is security 347 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: vacuums as Blackwell rights, rarely stay empty. And whenever the 348 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: US steps back, rival step forward, allies hedge, or they 349 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: arm themselves. Right, that's not good. Then there's the American nationalism, 350 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: which is another sort of thing what Trump's kind of doing, 351 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: which is focusing inward Western hemisphere first, which is how 352 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: they're getting the isolationist crowd into Venezuela or Greenland right now. 353 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: But that means protectionism, bilateral trade agreements, alliances are more liabilities. Well, 354 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: the problem with that is you have to assume that US, 355 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: that America's prosperity and security can somehow be separated from 356 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: the global order. Right, if we separate ourselves, are we 357 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: going to be the economic superpower anymore. And then he 358 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: throws out one and he calls trump Ism. So it's 359 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: basically cherry picking all of them, right, which is it's 360 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: personalized transactional form, policy deals, over alliances, tariffs, our leverage, 361 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: spheres of influence. The institutions, we don't need them because 362 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: you've got I alone can fix it. Man. The problem 363 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: with that, of course, is it's not a strategy. It's 364 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: literally the president's whims. We're going to help the protesters 365 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: in Iran. Up, I've been assured that protesters are no 366 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: longer being killed. Okay, I'm out. So it's a it's 367 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: it's you know, we're not in a So the question is, 368 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: can you come up with a grand strategy that in 369 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: it that can somehow united divided America to to sort 370 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: of the same goal, right, to support America's security and prosperity, 371 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: and at the same time help create a stable world. 372 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: So his answer, Blackwell's answer is resolute global leadership, right, 373 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: And this is really the heart of his report. He 374 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: calls it a hybrid strategy that he simply accepts reality. Right, 375 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: So it borrows from the military seriousness of his outline 376 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: of primacy. It does believe we should strengthen certain alliances 377 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: and institutions that were hallmarks of the liberal internationalism. But 378 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: we wouldn't get into nation building hint, hint, Venezuela. There 379 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't be you know, disengagement is not cost free, and 380 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have performative deal making. But you you have 381 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: to accept some And this is where I think Trump 382 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: is leaning, and I think you've seen arguably this is 383 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: where Barack Obama was, but it wasn't politically politically popular 384 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: to say it at the time. But in this case, 385 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: what Blackwell is saying, you've got to just assume the following. 386 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: China is a peer competitor. This is not a temporary 387 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: problem that can that can be changed, that can be democratized. 388 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: It's not going to happen yet. What you know, there's 389 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: nothing the United States can do to to sort of 390 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: to sort of reshape how China deals with its population. 391 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: It's not going to matter. But his core assumptions are 392 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: China's a peer competitor, deal with it. Power does still matter. 393 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: Alliances do matter because it multiplies power. The institutions matter 394 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: as long as it's backed by strength. And don't promote democracy, 395 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: don't use the military as an attempt to promote democracy. 396 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: I e. Iraq, as he writes, forces justified to to 397 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: protect vital interests, not to remake societies. And what's interesting 398 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: here is is that Trump kind of stumbles into this. 399 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: I think this is where Jade Vance really is. I 400 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: think he's one of the purest This is not where 401 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: Marco Ruby is, right. Marco Rubio, you know, talked Trump 402 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: into doing Venezuela because he does want to remake a society. 403 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: He does want to remake Venezuela, he does want to 404 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: remake Cuba. And by the way, Donald Trump and a 405 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: whole bunch of others would like to remake Aram. So 406 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: it is I think this is I do think this 407 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: is a key point though, because every time we've tried 408 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: to involve ourselves in remaking society, particularly if we're on 409 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: our own doing it, it has not going well. Right. 410 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Iraq's the best example. But frankly, the reason 411 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: why there's so much skepticism of what America is doing 412 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: in the western hemospheres. You know, we have a history 413 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: of trying to do this in Latin America and it 414 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: is not gone well. Now you still think what the 415 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: reason Blackwell thinks that America essentially still can can control 416 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: the rules of the global order is as follows. The 417 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: United States alone is twenty six percent of the globe's GDP. 418 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: We still are the world's most powerful military. We still 419 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: are leading the world in AI, in advanced tech. The 420 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: dollar is the dominant currency, despite what all these kill 421 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: the FED people are trying to do. Though, if you 422 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: want to kill the FED, that would weaken the dollar 423 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: and weaken the United States. And China could never create 424 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: a global alliance network quite like how the United States 425 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: could do it right. China couldn't create an alternative block. Yes, 426 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: there are the Brick Nations of Brazil, Brick b r C, 427 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: which was this loose confederation that was trying to establish 428 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: itself as a counter to the g G seven back 429 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: in the day. It's the Bee is Brazil, the R 430 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: as Russia, the I as India, the Sea is China. 431 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: But as we've seen, India and China are not necessarily 432 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: ready to be to be on the same page. Perhaps 433 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: Russia and China are for military strategic purposes, but I 434 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of truth to that. There's only 435 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: the United States can create some alliances that could stick. Uh. 436 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: You know, the TPP, that Transpacific Partnership that Obama and 437 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton were trying to create as a counterweight in 438 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: Asia to China, that became suddenly both Bernie Sanders and 439 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump just sort of attacked it, and then Hillary 440 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: Clinton backed away from it. The Republican Party backed away 441 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,239 Speaker 1: from it. This was going to be Asian NATO. Now 442 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: we were going to call it a trade pack, but 443 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: it was going to be the building blocks of essentially 444 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: a security pact as well. Right, once you're aligned on economics, 445 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: you're going to be aligned on security because you both 446 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: have the same things to lose there. It was. It 447 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: is probably one of the greatest missed opportunities, and perhaps 448 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: in forty years, fifty years, we will go back and 449 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: point to it as one of the just biggest mistakes 450 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: that we made, one of the you know, there's a 451 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: lot of bad consequences of the fork on the road 452 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: of the twenty sixteen election. This could be a much 453 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 1: bigger one than we ever talk about. So he concludes, 454 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, he's with the following. He says, he judges 455 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: the strategies. You got to judge each strategy on these 456 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: three things. Prosperity, security, and legitimacy. Right, open trade still matters, 457 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: and it's better for the United States to have open trade. 458 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: It's worse for our economy when we don't. Innovation will 459 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: always trump protectionism. You can't protect an industry from competitors. 460 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: You can't do that. You think you can, but you can't. 461 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: And if you try. I mean, look, we're finding out 462 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: an AI, right. We were trying to hoard all these 463 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: chips here in the United States, trying to make it 464 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: harder for China to move to compete with US on AI, 465 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: and yet their deep seek model is doing what competing 466 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: with our guys on AI. Tariff's weak and long term growth. 467 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: That's just a fact, right. The higher the tariffs are, 468 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: weaker the economies get in both countries that are having 469 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: a terrified I'm the security front. If you have a 470 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: forward defense, you're more likely to prevent war. Right. The 471 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: more alliances we have around the world. That that was 472 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: the whole point of NATO, that hopefully it would never 473 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: have to get involve itself in a hot war with Russia, 474 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: that there were so many bases strewn throughout no Europe 475 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: that Russia wouldn't dare right, which is why there is 476 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: a fair what if question, which is as follows, what 477 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: if the United States, when they got Ukraine to get 478 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: rid of its nuclear weapons after the fall of the 479 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: Soviet Union, had also invited Ukraine into NATO, then Russia 480 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: never invades and we would have already had military bases 481 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: inside of Ukraine. Just something to think about on that front. 482 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: But he also believes the next grand strategy of sort 483 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: of a foreign policy that perhaps left and right can 484 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: all agree on, is that we're going to have to 485 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: accept that the Indo Pacific region is the central theater 486 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: of this essentially great power competition. So, as he argues, 487 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: trump Ism has burned legitimacy faster than it is aimed leverage. Right, 488 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 1: he may have some short term wins with these tariff threats. 489 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: He may be using the end of NATO as a 490 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: way to try to get Greenland, but what is he doing. 491 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: He's eroding the relationship the United States has with Europe, 492 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: and the next time we ask try to get Europe 493 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: involved in something, they're going to be skeptical to get 494 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: involved with the United States because hey, maybe President x 495 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: is work wants to work with the Europeans. But the 496 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: next president may not. So here's the uncomfortable truth that 497 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: this paper does leave us with, which is America doesn't 498 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: get to choose whether it shapes the world. All we 499 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: get to choose is whether we get to shape it 500 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: deliberately or not, or is it accidentally or is it chaotically. 501 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: If the US retreats, someone else fills the vacuum. I've 502 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: used the phrase, you may not want America to be 503 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: the world's beat cop, but you're If we're not the 504 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: world's beat cop, you're somebody else is going to try 505 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: to be, and you're not going to like that. That's 506 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: what filling a vacuum means there. And if the US blusters, 507 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: allies hedge and we've now got allies hedging all over 508 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: the place. If the US leads with more resolutely and 509 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: with sort of a strategy that makes sense and doesn't 510 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: come across as chaotic, then suddenly we get to preserve 511 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: our leverage without having overreach. So look, I think I 512 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: think Blackwell's Deep Dive is something that everybody running for 513 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: president needs to read. They don't have to agree with 514 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: all of his recommendations, but I think the larger vision 515 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: he's trying to to to to share here is that look, 516 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: we you know, I think putting it out when he's 517 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: doing it is is essentially saying, look, this needs to 518 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: be the next presidential election. We need presidential candidates that 519 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: at least accept the premise we need a strategy because 520 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: Trump doesn't have one, and Trump's never going to have one. Right, 521 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: the story is Trump, It's always been Trump. The show 522 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: is Trump. It's just personalized. You know, he could be 523 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: right now, he's running a country, but he could be 524 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: running a gas station. It doesn't matter right like he's 525 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: that's everything is personalized here. So the reason we need 526 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: a grand strategy is for our even mid and long 527 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: term security, both physical security and economic security. So a 528 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: grand strategy isn't about dominance or virtue. It's about deciding 529 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: which risks you choose to manage and which risks you 530 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely cannot afford to ignore. Right now, we don't 531 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: have one. Trump Ism is in some ways undoing a 532 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. But the next president is going to 533 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: have to put humpty dumpty back together again. No one 534 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: is saying we need to go backwards, but we need 535 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: something better than what we have now, and we need 536 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: something more realistic than what we have now. This just 537 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: literally Robert Blackwell's piece just hit, and you know I'm 538 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: a geek for this stuff, so I dove right into it. 539 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: Do check it out on the Council on Foreign Relations site. 540 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: It's the type of a sort of rigorous scholarship that 541 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: is necessary in this kind. Look, you're not getting this 542 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: in your day to day news feeds and all this stuff. 543 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: You're not going to get something like this, But the 544 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: importance of an essay like this. Robert Blackwell is somebody 545 00:34:53,840 --> 00:35:00,280 Speaker 1: that presidential candidates for years have gone to for frankly, 546 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: to get educated about the world right. He's one of 547 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: many of these folks in this sort of in this 548 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: foreign policy space that have served that role. So this 549 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: is why this is one of those pay attention to it. 550 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: I promise you things you read in here today you're 551 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: going to hear out of the mouths of presidential candidates 552 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: come twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight. As you 553 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: might imagine. I've got a few notebook items that I've 554 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: been sort of holding a bit, and also a few 555 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: things that I think are worth highlighting. Look about late 556 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: last month, I had a guest on named Adam Gentilsen. 557 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: He was starting a new democratic think tank that was 558 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: a bit trying to be frankly more mainstream, a little 559 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: less progressive. It's called the Searchlight Institute. So they put 560 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: out a memo about the issue of what happened in 561 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: Minneapolis to renee Good, and it was basically a recommendation. 562 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: And the recommendation is don't fall for the abolish ICE messaging. 563 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: Let me read from the memo and then I'll give 564 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: you my two cents after it. But I want to 565 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: read a bit from the memo so that you get 566 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: the full perspective. Here. Look at they lay out what 567 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: happened to renee Good, and the memos rights as follows. 568 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: This is not an incident that happened in isolation. The 569 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: Trump administration has been deploying ICE agents, often in conjunction 570 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: with law enforcement personnel from other agencies like the FBIA CPB, 571 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: to cities all over the country in a concerted effort 572 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: to instill fear and immigrant communities. American citizens have been 573 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: collateral damage in this campaign. DHS personnel have fired their 574 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: weapons at least sixteen times this year during immigration enforcement actions, 575 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: and ICE has erroneously detained at least one hundred and 576 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: seventy US citizens. This comes even as DHS is significantly 577 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: relaxed training and vetting requirements for new hires at ICE. 578 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: This is something I've been obsessing over, guys, and it's 579 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: sprint to double the size of the agency. Those horrendous 580 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: recruiting ads I've been highlighting and telling you about. And 581 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: then this memo notes reducing the time they spend learning 582 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: the law on how to apply it safely at the 583 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: Federal Law Enforcement Training Center from six months to six weeks. 584 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: That's right, these new ICE agents instead of getting six 585 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: months of training, they're getting six weeks of training. You 586 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: think that's gonna You think that's good, You think that helps. 587 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: And it's placed. And of course they've also placed as 588 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: the memo rights unqualified political operatives and key positions that 589 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: have historically been designated for career law enforcement officials. Now 590 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: they get into the politics of this. Confronted by these excesses, 591 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: some on the left have renewed their calls to quote 592 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: abolish ICE. Then the Searchlight folks write this, but let's 593 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: be clear that advocating for abolishing ICE is tantamount to 594 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: advocating for stopping enforcement of all of our immigration laws 595 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: in the interior the United States, a policy position that 596 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: is both wrong on the merits and at odds with 597 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: the American public on the issue. Instead, Democrats should embrace 598 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: an aggressive plan to rebuild ICE based on two concepts 599 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: reform and retrain. I'm going to cut through a little 600 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: bit further here. First of all, they go through and 601 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: they believe that in some ways, the Trump administration is 602 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: setting a trap for Democrats because they have used lawless 603 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: tactics in their attempts at enforcing immigration policy. But as 604 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: they write, responding to this kind of lawlessness by saying 605 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: you want to abolish ICE is exchanging one kind of 606 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: lawlessness for another. It means that you support getting rid 607 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: of the agency responsible for enforcing immigration and custom laws, 608 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 1: creating a lawless system where people who enter the country 609 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: illegally can stay here indefinitely, leaving no agency charged with 610 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: finding and removing them. This will inevitably incentive others to 611 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: come to the United States illegally. Abolish ICE is not 612 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 1: some proxy for more humane immigration enforcement, or to change 613 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: ICE's culture to adhere to do process, or to impose 614 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: accountability on rogue officers. Is It's advocating for an extreme 615 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: and then they continue, unless you truly believe that the 616 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 1: United States should not have an agency that enforces immigration 617 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: and customs laws within our borders, and you want to 618 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: increase illegal immigration, you should not say you want to 619 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: abolish ICE. And then it goes on to say, look, 620 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: this should be a moment learn from the defund mistake. 621 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: So when it comes to ICE, they're saying, say what 622 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: you mean. And the point was during the whole defund 623 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: the police, that is actually not what those that were 624 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: accused of wanting to defund the police were actually advocating. 625 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: They weren't advocating to get rid of the police. They 626 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: were advocating a reallocation of resources. They were advocating a 627 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: better sense of training. But that isn't what people were hearing. 628 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: They were just simply hearing defund. So this is their alternative. 629 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: An aggressive plan can be summed up in two words. 630 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: They argue reform and retrain. Reform ice, root and branch, 631 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: including reminding people we are a nation of laws that 632 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: there shouldn't be they should these guys shouldn't be allowed 633 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: to wear masks, that no one is above the law. 634 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: There is not indiscriminate enforcement, which this is clearly politically 635 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: motivated indiscriminate enforcement, and there should be an outside oversight 636 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: to this. It should not be done internally. And then 637 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: retrain What do they mean by retrain? ICE officers need 638 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: to undergo rigorous and recurring use of training on use 639 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: of force policies so that they can understand the law. 640 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: I should be trained on community policing practices, they advocate, 641 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: they should identify and weed out the bad apples, rescind 642 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: Trump administration of policies that have significantly relaxed vetting and 643 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: stay for new employees of ICE, and then right size ICE. 644 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: One could argue it is it is suddenly becoming too big, 645 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: because it does look like it's becoming some sort of 646 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: personalized law enforcement agency. Anyway, look these you know, I 647 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: understand the passion of this. You heard me the other 648 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: day saying, you know, I'm I'm not you know, be 649 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: careful of the abolished ICE messaging because this is the issue, 650 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: isn't Ice. The issue is who's in charge of it. 651 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: The issue is who's in charge of policy, who's in 652 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: charge of training? We've gone we're the recruiting videos are 653 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: using the wrong language. Recruiting the wrong type of person. 654 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: They're incentivizing a certain type of muscularity in law enforcement 655 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: that actually comes across as pretty unconstitutional. But I'm very 656 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: curious to see if these you know, this was this 657 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: was the whole point of why Gentleson started this. He 658 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: felt this, if that the a lot of the advocacy 659 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: groups messaging we're leaning too far to the left and 660 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: not really talking to the center, that's sort of you know, 661 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: person that says, yeah, I don't I don't want you know, 662 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 1: it goes to what I've been saying, where they they 663 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: agree with the goal of what Trump is advocating, but 664 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: they don't like his tactics, and right now they think 665 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: that the Democrats don't share some of those goals. And 666 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: what what obviously what search license argument is is is 667 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: make it about the tactics, don't make it about whether 668 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: or not we should have enforcement of our borders. I'll 669 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: be curious to see if this tamps down the abolish 670 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 1: Ice rhetoric, or because of the passion and because of 671 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: the frankly, the awfulness of what happened, do more voters 672 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: and more lawmakers think that Ice is irredeemable. All I 673 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: would say is if you get rid of ICE, I 674 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,720 Speaker 1: promise you you're just gonna want to have an agency 675 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,879 Speaker 1: that's similar to it. Look, we've had periods of time 676 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: where the FBI was not trusted at all, and we've 677 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: had periods of time when you've had better leadership with 678 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: the FBI that it has been pristine and really trusted. 679 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: Ditto with the NYPD, dido with you know. The point 680 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: is is that I don't think these institutions are irredeemable. 681 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: You just need to have better leadership, better training, and 682 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: better accountability. It's it's again, I'm curious to see we're 683 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: going to have some growing democratic primaries. Do we you 684 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: know is this used as a wedge inside democratic primaries. 685 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 1: We'll find out in Texas, we may find out in Michigan. 686 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,399 Speaker 1: We may find out in Maine. Or do you start 687 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: having copycats? Right? Or look, the all of a sudden, 688 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: all the primaries in Minnesota are going to be fascinating 689 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: to hear it. May it may be something that primary 690 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: voters they want the passion and the anger of abolish ICE. Right, 691 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: It's like I'd say, that's the equivalent of punching a 692 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: hole in drywall. Feels good. For the moment, but then 693 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: you've got to go to home depot and figure out 694 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: how to patch up the hole in your wall. So 695 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,399 Speaker 1: something to do on something to think about. And I'm 696 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: curious of your reaction here if you think, hey, you 697 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: know what, Chuck, let me tell you why they're wrong 698 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: and you're wrong about this and I should be abolished. 699 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from me on this. Remember ask 700 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: Chuck at thechucktokcast dot com. Having good life insurance is 701 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: incredibly important. I know from personal experience. I was sixteen 702 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: when my father passed away. 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Look, I think the bottom line is is 738 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,280 Speaker 1: one thing you need to remember with these with these dictatorships, 739 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,839 Speaker 1: it takes forever for them to fall, and then all 740 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it happens in a blink of an eye. 741 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,439 Speaker 1: I go back to the Siria example. Right, we knew 742 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 1: Asad was going to fall, it ended up happening a 743 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: few years later than anybody thought it would. And then 744 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,800 Speaker 1: when it happened, he was gone, and it happened super quickly, 745 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,919 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, somebody who we once deemed 746 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: a terrorist is having an Oval Office sit down with 747 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: the President of the United States. Right, So you know, 748 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: it's it's just one of those things where I don't 749 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: know if the fall of the Islamic regime there is 750 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: going to be happened in the next few weeks, but 751 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: it's certainly clear they're close to the end. In the beginning, 752 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: all right, let's do a few questions here, ask Chuck. 753 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: This one comes from JR. He goes Daily listener here. 754 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking questions. Appreciate that my question is about Mississippi. 755 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: It seems like every chance you get, you include Mississippi 756 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 1: as a state DEMS should focus on, or a state 757 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: you'd like to see Dems out put on the map. 758 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,279 Speaker 1: I know s p Presley and Hunt were legit Democratic candidate, 759 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,720 Speaker 1: but I'm curious where your bullishness comes from. What signs 760 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: of hope have you seen that gives you confidence at 761 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 1: a state like Mississippi could legitimately be competitive in the 762 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: next few years. Look, I'll say, and I don't. You 763 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 1: might have caught I can't. I will confess. One of 764 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: the things I've learned in this independent media space is 765 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: you think you've said something in one place and you 766 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: think I'm going to repeat myself, but you never know 767 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,759 Speaker 1: where people hear this. So I may have repeated this 768 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 1: in this space, but maybe not. With Mississippi. It's simply 769 00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: numbers and the number of of inactive potential voters African 770 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:10,320 Speaker 1: American voters in Mississippi, unregistered African American voters or inactive 771 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: African American voters meaning registered but they don't, and it 772 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 1: goes down. I think I was making this point the 773 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: other day that the Democratic parties slow retreat from rural 774 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: America wasn't just from white rural America. Right. Democrats have 775 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: struggled in black rural America and in Hispanic America. Right. 776 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: We saw it in South Texas. And the reason why 777 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 1: Democrats keep coming up short just about in every competitive 778 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 1: election in North Carolina but one in two thousand and eight, 779 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,359 Speaker 1: when when Obama carried the state and brought a Senate 780 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: seat with them, was under performance in majority black rural 781 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: counties in the South. There's a lot of majority rural 782 00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: African American counties that feel as if they're ignored, that 783 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,279 Speaker 1: feel as if their issues essentially there. You know, the 784 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: issues of urban African Americans are different than the issues 785 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: from rural African Americans. So it's been, however you want 786 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,760 Speaker 1: to look at it, it's been a lack of focus. 787 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, Mississippi and to a lesser extent, 788 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: South Carolina, there is an under activated population of African 789 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 1: Americans who in my talks with organizers in those states 790 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,279 Speaker 1: over time, they just simply says it's more out of 791 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: do they really care, it's they feel they have felt 792 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: passed over for a long time they have felt ignored. 793 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying Democrats don't have work that they 794 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,439 Speaker 1: need to do, but the opportunity is sitting there. Part 795 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: of it is showing up, and then once you show up, 796 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 1: you might have a shot at registering voters. But when 797 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: you look at the simple demographics of Mississippi, Democrats should 798 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: be much much more competitive than they are, and it 799 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 1: all goes to essentially a big population of underactivated and 800 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:16,400 Speaker 1: unregistered African American voters. All right, Joanna Hey Chuck, as 801 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: a lifelong Minnesota and former journalist, I was troubled by 802 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: your recent comment suggesting isis conduct stems primarily from poor training. 803 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: What we're witnessing here feels far more deliberate, violent, and 804 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: discriminate enforcement actions carried out without due process, including against 805 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: you as citizens. This isn't a training failure. It reflects 806 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,520 Speaker 1: a deeper history of government sanctioned violence. I hope you'll 807 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,600 Speaker 1: reconsider how this issue is framed, given the weight of 808 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,640 Speaker 1: your voice carries. Thank you for what you do, respectfully, Joanna, Well, 809 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 1: this is great, and I hope she took a listen 810 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: to that political memo I was quoting earlier in this podcast, 811 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,840 Speaker 1: and I actually called I wanted folks to look. I 812 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,960 Speaker 1: guess I do believe this is a And if you 813 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: go into the details of the lack of training these 814 00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 1: new ICE officers are getting or not getting, essentially that 815 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,879 Speaker 1: they don't understand what the law is or isn't. They've 816 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: gone down from six months down to six weeks of training, 817 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: the type of recruitment videos they've done. So the point 818 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 1: is is that this is I think the what were 819 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 1: the actions on the ground reflect the recruitment strategy and 820 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: the training that they've done. So that's why it's it's 821 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:32,400 Speaker 1: it's not that I am defending the existence of ICE, 822 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,800 Speaker 1: but the we're going to have an immigration, customs and 823 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 1: Enforcement agency. If you don't, you don't have borders, you 824 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,280 Speaker 1: don't have sovereignty, you don't have a country. The issue 825 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:48,879 Speaker 1: is bad training, bad policy, bad leadership. Uh. And if 826 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 1: that's why, I think that ultimately that's what this is about. 827 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: And that's and I think that that is sort of 828 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,919 Speaker 1: when you take a step back, and now that said, 829 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,719 Speaker 1: you know, living in the community is a different I 830 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,200 Speaker 1: get it. It's a different experience. It's very personalized, and 831 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,400 Speaker 1: I understand it. I understand the anger. I understand that, 832 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: but ultimately, in order to get a policy change, I 833 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,960 Speaker 1: think that that I think you got to frame it 834 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,279 Speaker 1: at this because I guess I do believe this that 835 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: this is this is Look, I think it's an intentional 836 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,440 Speaker 1: targeting of Minnesota. This is not. There is not This 837 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,520 Speaker 1: has been selective enforcement of our immigration laws based on 838 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,719 Speaker 1: political targeting by the White House. So look, I'm not 839 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,880 Speaker 1: trying to legitimize any of this. Well, what I am 840 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: saying is that I, you know, be careful blaming the agency. 841 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 1: It's the leadership above it. It's how it's being run, 842 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 1: It's how it's being hired, how folks are being hired, 843 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,600 Speaker 1: and how they're being trained. So, by the way, Joanne, 844 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your reaction to the memo that 845 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,040 Speaker 1: I quoted from from the folks at search Light in 846 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: my earlier comments as well. Appreciate you listening and appreciate 847 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 1: the thoughtful the thoughtful critique. I'm all for it. Mojack 848 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 1: ninety nine checks in and he says, Hey, I'm increasingly 849 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 1: concerned about the potential polarization of law enforcement and the 850 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: military potential. I think I might drop the word potential, Mojack, 851 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 1: but anyway, But I digress. If Democrats were to win 852 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 1: both chambers, how realistic do you think it is that 853 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: Trump might attempt to declare martial law citing election fraud 854 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,800 Speaker 1: or another pretext. And how might Republicans respond given the 855 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,399 Speaker 1: historical president of martial law at the state level. Could 856 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: such actions be selectively targeted at Democratic led states. I'd 857 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,279 Speaker 1: love to hear your take on the likelihood of this 858 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,840 Speaker 1: and what guardrails exists. So you know, one of the 859 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: things that I'm well aware of the human brain is 860 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,839 Speaker 1: when you've not seen something happen, you don't believe it will, 861 00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:01,239 Speaker 1: right and while and this stuff has happened, but it 862 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,640 Speaker 1: happened over one hundred years ago in certain states. Right, 863 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: I am nervous about the right. We've had the Justice 864 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,239 Speaker 1: Department trying to get its hands on voter rolls, and 865 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,880 Speaker 1: they've specifically been going to blue states to do this, 866 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,880 Speaker 1: and states that have not complied they have threatened to sue. 867 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,719 Speaker 1: So this is going to show up in court. So 868 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,680 Speaker 1: we'll see what kind of how important the Tenth Amendment 869 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,879 Speaker 1: is on this front. You have a recent directive where 870 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,440 Speaker 1: I think the President plans to try to deny certain 871 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,800 Speaker 1: funding to blue states if they have a quote sanctuary 872 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 1: city policy, meaning you know, where there are laws in 873 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,360 Speaker 1: the books that direct local law enforcement not to cooperate 874 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 1: with ice or immigration enforcement that is not criminal, you know. 875 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 1: And so you know, I vacillate on this one. I 876 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:10,520 Speaker 1: think that, you know, I don't want to be like, look, 877 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,840 Speaker 1: Jonathan last over the bulwark is like, you know, the 878 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,920 Speaker 1: dark days are here and it's only going to get worse. Right, 879 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,960 Speaker 1: It's always darkest before it goes all black. An old 880 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,359 Speaker 1: McCain joke about that. He used to quote of Maw. 881 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,320 Speaker 1: I do think that what we've watched with the current 882 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,640 Speaker 1: iteration of the Republican Party, that there are enough folks 883 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 1: that are constitutionalists. No matter how much they support many 884 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,880 Speaker 1: of the of the populist policies of the MAGA movement, 885 00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,800 Speaker 1: they're still constitutionalists at the end of the day and 886 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 1: respectful of the Constitution and leary, you know, whether it's 887 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:56,440 Speaker 1: and right we so I do. I think somebody inside 888 00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,799 Speaker 1: that administration may whisper ideas like this in his ear. 889 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,960 Speaker 1: If it is you know, it is, if he is 890 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,279 Speaker 1: routed right, if it's a route, if everything is, I 891 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: guess my fears are the super close elections that might 892 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:19,400 Speaker 1: actually need recounts. That's where I think this interference could 893 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,160 Speaker 1: get rationalized and justified in the minds of some in 894 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:29,160 Speaker 1: this administration. So I think the super close elections are 895 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,240 Speaker 1: ones that I would keep an eye on that I 896 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: could see suddenly him feeling motivated to do this. I'm 897 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:43,440 Speaker 1: mostly bullish that there's enough Republicans that would just you know, 898 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: not go down this road with him, and that Congress 899 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 1: would be a bulwark. Right. Look, just you know, I 900 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:57,320 Speaker 1: if Democrats win both chambers, it means Trump's approval ratings 901 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: likely in the mid to high thirties at best, so 902 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:08,440 Speaker 1: that unpopularity will matter, Okay, ultimately in order to I 903 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:14,280 Speaker 1: think convince those that aren't totally devoted to the MAGA 904 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: movement because it's the only way they had a political career, 905 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,520 Speaker 1: We'll suddenly start to realize, Hey, there's a there's a 906 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:29,560 Speaker 1: The public is just done with Trump. And so that's 907 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:34,160 Speaker 1: why I guess I think ultimately, even if he wants 908 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 1: to do it, he's he's rained in from doing it. 909 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to sit here and rule out 910 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: that he wouldn't. I don't considering his behavior as I've 911 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,240 Speaker 1: said in a previous podcast. Great, I think the greatest 912 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 1: risk we have right now as a country is the 913 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 1: fact that the president is feeling is feels like he's 914 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:58,000 Speaker 1: got the virus of Yolo, the Yolo virus, right, you 915 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:03,160 Speaker 1: only live once virus. The ease with which he bombed 916 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,480 Speaker 1: a ron without consequences. He got Maduro without what he 917 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: believes are consequences. You know, sometimes these consequences are delayed, right, 918 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 1: So I don't want to say we haven't we've escaped 919 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,360 Speaker 1: consequences out of Venezuela yet. But in his mind it 920 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,480 Speaker 1: went easier than than all the you know, maybe maybe 921 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,160 Speaker 1: those that were give were preaching caution around him. You 922 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:33,200 Speaker 1: couple that with his you know, he's been he talks 923 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot about his demise now right, He's been talking 924 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,040 Speaker 1: about m I going to get into heaven, all this stuff. It's, 925 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,479 Speaker 1: frankly one of the pieces of circumstantial evidence that's gotten 926 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: a lot of us wondering, huh is this have something 927 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: to do with you having to do three annual visits 928 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,120 Speaker 1: to three annual physicals in the calendar You're twenty twenty 929 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,360 Speaker 1: five at Walter Reed, right, is there something you know? 930 00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,160 Speaker 1: Is there something that they fear is coming. He has 931 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,760 Speaker 1: been sort of behaving as if the end is nearer 932 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,680 Speaker 1: than he wants it to be, which would then explain 933 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,920 Speaker 1: why his obsession with his personal legacy, right hurrying up 934 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,440 Speaker 1: and getting his name on the Kennedy Center, trying to 935 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,120 Speaker 1: see if he can get his name on currency, you know, 936 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,720 Speaker 1: trying to literally physically. You know, there's a there's some 937 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,439 Speaker 1: who think that Trump's only obsession with Greenland is because 938 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 1: it looks big on a map and it will make 939 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,760 Speaker 1: the United States look bigger than China and Russia. And 940 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,880 Speaker 1: as much as we want to laugh and snicker that 941 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,000 Speaker 1: that's the way he thinks, guess what, that's the way 942 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:43,479 Speaker 1: he thinks. So my concern is that state of mind 943 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,920 Speaker 1: of his, and that there are certainly fewer people that 944 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:54,400 Speaker 1: would stop him. But remember Bill Barr, his last Attorney 945 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,320 Speaker 1: general on the first term or second to lascense, he resigned. 946 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,120 Speaker 1: Now he resigned frankly because I think he didn't want 947 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,800 Speaker 1: to have to confront Trump when Trump wanted to use 948 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,960 Speaker 1: the justice weaponis of Justice Department during the twenty twenty election. 949 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,120 Speaker 1: You know, he's the one out there that questioned whether 950 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,360 Speaker 1: he should ever be near power again. Don't take my 951 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 1: word for it, right, let me get to Ron sass 952 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,480 Speaker 1: from Phoenix, Arizona, he writes. While I won't shed tears 953 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,360 Speaker 1: over Maduro's extraction, this Venezuela oil grab will likely haunt 954 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,760 Speaker 1: Trump and the GOP well beyond his term. More concerning 955 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,040 Speaker 1: our his threats to seize Greenland attacking a NATO ally 956 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,200 Speaker 1: could unravel the alliance and embolden Russian in China. If 957 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 1: you're responded with a naval blockade like Kennedy's in Cuba, 958 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,480 Speaker 1: would our military really follow illegal orders to fire without 959 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,600 Speaker 1: congressional war authorization? Are there still adults in Washington who 960 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,360 Speaker 1: can reign in these impulses and remind Trump we already 961 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 1: have long standing defense packs with Denmark and Greenland. Well, Ron, 962 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,560 Speaker 1: I think everybody has put their eggs in the Marco 963 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,720 Speaker 1: Rubio basket on this one. And speaking of Marco Rubio, 964 01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 1: there's a fascinating massive profile all of him in the 965 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,760 Speaker 1: New Yorker. If you're a New Yorker subscriber, you'll and 966 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,880 Speaker 1: you get the physical print copy. I think when you 967 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,720 Speaker 1: get it, you're going to be like, Oh, I got 968 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,720 Speaker 1: a book on Marco Rubio with a few cartoons surrounding it. 969 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 1: It's a massive I think some forty thousand works. Mike 970 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,640 Speaker 1: Pesca did a whole deep dive on it and all 971 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,400 Speaker 1: this sourcing and stuff, But it really it's a Dexter 972 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: Filkins piece. And for those of you that didn't hear 973 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,600 Speaker 1: my interview with Dexter Filkins six or eight weeks ago, 974 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 1: I encourage you to do it. We really talked about 975 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,080 Speaker 1: the future of war a previous piece he wrote, but 976 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,400 Speaker 1: this was a deep dive on Rubio and it really 977 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:43,920 Speaker 1: does paint a portrait of essentially that he is the 978 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,880 Speaker 1: Trump whisperer right on foreign policy. Look, I've said this 979 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,960 Speaker 1: a million times without Marco Rubio, Venezuela doesn't happen. Marco Rubio, 980 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,760 Speaker 1: going back to the first Trump term when he was 981 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 1: trying to work his when he made the decision. You know, 982 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,120 Speaker 1: he was pretty anti Trump obviously in the sixteen campaign, 983 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,480 Speaker 1: and then he made the he decided to seek re election, 984 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,280 Speaker 1: and he decided to stay in politics and evolve with 985 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:12,200 Speaker 1: Trump to be generous there, and he became Trump's Latin 986 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,120 Speaker 1: American whisper in that first term and he made sure 987 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,440 Speaker 1: and then when during the during Trump's four years in 988 01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 1: exile there at mar A Lago. You know, Rubio was 989 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,880 Speaker 1: a frequent visitor and a frequent sidekick, and somebody who 990 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,520 Speaker 1: would bring along the Bay of Pigs veterans and the 991 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,760 Speaker 1: Cuban exile community, the Venezuelan exile community. You know, if 992 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,240 Speaker 1: you want to understand that, remember there's that. I point 993 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,040 Speaker 1: you to an interview I did with Billy Corbyn about 994 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,120 Speaker 1: a documentary he did, Man of War, about sort of 995 01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:49,400 Speaker 1: a failed attempt to overthrow Maduro that had its origins 996 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:55,920 Speaker 1: with former Trump bodyman Keith Schiller. Again, it would be 997 01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:01,120 Speaker 1: hilarious if if it wasn't sadly true. The point is 998 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,840 Speaker 1: is that what was interesting about this piece in the 999 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,720 Speaker 1: New Yorker is how many unnamed European diplomats viewed Marco 1000 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Rubio as sort of their lifeline. When something goes really 1001 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,000 Speaker 1: south with Trump, they go to Rubio and see how 1002 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:22,560 Speaker 1: can they sort of fix this right? And look, without 1003 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:29,600 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio Trump would have already abandoned Ukraine. So if 1004 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:35,280 Speaker 1: you're wondering, I think he's that adult. I think there 1005 01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,560 Speaker 1: are enough Republican senators who use Rubio as a conduit 1006 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,600 Speaker 1: and frankly go to him to try to strengthen Rubio's 1007 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:48,680 Speaker 1: backbone on this. So it may not be a guard 1008 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of like you go to war 1009 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,760 Speaker 1: with the guardrails you have, not the guardrails you want 1010 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:58,840 Speaker 1: to paraphrase a former a defense secretary named Donald Rumsfeld. 1011 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:05,560 Speaker 1: So I think that that's you know, I think that 1012 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,480 Speaker 1: that's who's if you're looking for, who would prevent what 1013 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,320 Speaker 1: you're describing. Now. I don't think we're going that far. 1014 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,120 Speaker 1: I don't think this is going to get to military. 1015 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,680 Speaker 1: I think I do fear, though, that Trump may really 1016 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:25,280 Speaker 1: use US financial contributions to NATO in an attempt to 1017 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,080 Speaker 1: leverage this. Whether it works or not, I don't want 1018 01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,680 Speaker 1: to presume it won't work, but I'm skeptical that it will. 1019 01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,720 Speaker 1: All right. Next question comes from Lucas and he asks 1020 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,600 Speaker 1: why do Americans broadly find the far left more repugnant 1021 01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,640 Speaker 1: than the far right. I say this because I don't 1022 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,200 Speaker 1: ever hear about Republicans needing to moderate in order to 1023 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,880 Speaker 1: grow their base, Yet this repeatedly seems to be a 1024 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,200 Speaker 1: theme for Democrats. Well, part of it is numbers, right 1025 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,680 Speaker 1: that you know, those self described conservatives still outnumber self 1026 01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,480 Speaker 1: described liberals. So I think part of it is a 1027 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,040 Speaker 1: base is sort of just one size, you know. The 1028 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,840 Speaker 1: Republicans start with a larger base, so they don't need 1029 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,680 Speaker 1: as many swing voters as Democrats do. So it's just 1030 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,560 Speaker 1: a simple numbers game. There are more self described conservatives 1031 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,800 Speaker 1: than self described liberals. Now. Is the self described liberal 1032 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,640 Speaker 1: numbered growing, Yes it is. Is the gap smaller today 1033 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,760 Speaker 1: than it was in a long time? Yes it is. 1034 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:24,680 Speaker 1: But the fact is that Democrats need a larger share 1035 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,840 Speaker 1: of independent voters to get a majority than Republicans do 1036 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:35,760 Speaker 1: at the moment. By the way, it wasn't that long 1037 01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,240 Speaker 1: ago that Republicans were told they needed to moderate if 1038 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,880 Speaker 1: they wanted to win national elections. Again, go back to 1039 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,160 Speaker 1: the RNC twenty thirteen autopsy, which said, hey, it needed 1040 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,720 Speaker 1: to pull back on its rhetoric on immigration. Now it 1041 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 1: turns out Trump had had an entirely different theory of 1042 01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,800 Speaker 1: the case on how to win over Latino voters, but 1043 01:06:55,400 --> 01:07:00,160 Speaker 1: at the time that was the prevailing conventional wisdom. So 1044 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,640 Speaker 1: it really this is very recency biased. It's the moment 1045 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,120 Speaker 1: we're living in now when it looked like it was 1046 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 1: the Democrats that had the larger base to start from 1047 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,480 Speaker 1: and that they needed a smaller sheriff swing voters. Yeah, 1048 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:18,240 Speaker 1: it was Republicans that were being urged to moderate, which 1049 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:24,120 Speaker 1: is the entire twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen conversation after the 1050 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:29,160 Speaker 1: Romney defeat, so when he was a severe conservative right 1051 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,760 Speaker 1: and all of those things. So I would remind you 1052 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 1: that this stuff's a bit cyclical one, but it's right now. 1053 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:41,000 Speaker 1: It's a simple numbers issue. And yes, the Republican base 1054 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,880 Speaker 1: is I mean part of it. You know, I've always 1055 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:55,320 Speaker 1: thought some of this is also gender related. If Democrats 1056 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,400 Speaker 1: could cut into the Republican advantage among men, I think 1057 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,400 Speaker 1: they would all so generally. So it's sort of like, 1058 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,960 Speaker 1: how do you And this gets at the whole manisphere 1059 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:09,640 Speaker 1: debate and all this or that, But I think that's 1060 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,520 Speaker 1: the look. I think the opening here to picking off 1061 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:20,920 Speaker 1: more sort of is to is to sort of rebrand 1062 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:26,519 Speaker 1: liberalism as pro constitution and as sort of And I 1063 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,479 Speaker 1: think that conservatives did a better job of branding themselves 1064 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,040 Speaker 1: constitutionalists and that they were making the case that it 1065 01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,559 Speaker 1: was the liberals that we're trying to overread the Constitution. Well, 1066 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,680 Speaker 1: now I think that's in reverse. And I think a 1067 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,599 Speaker 1: lot of people feel as if their privacy and all 1068 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,559 Speaker 1: this stuff. I think there's a lot of just basic 1069 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,080 Speaker 1: protection of rights, not even expansion of rights. Right. I think, 1070 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, arguably the divide between just on the rights front, 1071 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,519 Speaker 1: right conservatives generally were trying to protect rights that they 1072 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,759 Speaker 1: believed already existed, and liberals for fighting to expand rights 1073 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,560 Speaker 1: for Americans that we're not getting what they deserve. I 1074 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,640 Speaker 1: think now we have a situation where conservatives are no 1075 01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,280 Speaker 1: longer in the protecting rights category. Trump has sort of 1076 01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,000 Speaker 1: driven them in a different direction. He's trying to redefine 1077 01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,320 Speaker 1: what right, what the interpretation of the Constitution in ways 1078 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,439 Speaker 1: that I think a majority of the public isn't going 1079 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,200 Speaker 1: to like. So I do think there's an opportunity to 1080 01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:35,920 Speaker 1: redefine liberalism as being more protecting of individual rights and 1081 01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:43,000 Speaker 1: getting finding a way into that, into that messaging I 1082 01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:47,120 Speaker 1: think could help rebrand liberalism right now. I think it is. 1083 01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:52,400 Speaker 1: It is, it's too you know, it's not seen as strong. 1084 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,599 Speaker 1: Maybe unfair to say that, but I think that that's 1085 01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:01,160 Speaker 1: that's that's one of the key critiques there. Let's see here, 1086 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,160 Speaker 1: last question and then I've got a I've got a 1087 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,080 Speaker 1: few sports rants to share with you. Last question comes 1088 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 1: from Nick Smith of Denver, Colorado, and he said, should 1089 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,599 Speaker 1: we be concerned that the market's shrugged off further loss 1090 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,560 Speaker 1: of FED independence, especially under a presidency that treats the 1091 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,560 Speaker 1: stock market as a scoreboard. I fear the lack of 1092 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,720 Speaker 1: reaction only emboldens the administration is institutional norms aroad. On 1093 01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,040 Speaker 1: a lighter note, if you had to had to staff 1094 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,519 Speaker 1: a presidential cabinet with former NFL players, who would you 1095 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,000 Speaker 1: choose and why? I'm thinking Joe Thomas for ex Secretary, 1096 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,639 Speaker 1: Pat Tillman for Defense. Yeah. The problem with Pat Dillman 1097 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:37,960 Speaker 1: is you're not there. But it's a fun exercise on that. 1098 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,040 Speaker 1: You know, growing up a Packer fan, I think I 1099 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,439 Speaker 1: wanted Ray Nichke at Defense, right. You know, if he 1100 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,280 Speaker 1: was our defense secretary, would anybody attack us right with 1101 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:50,160 Speaker 1: that menacing face? You know? But let me answer the 1102 01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:56,760 Speaker 1: first question there. I actually think the market reaction and 1103 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:02,920 Speaker 1: Scott Besson's reaction and Senate Republic reaction has totally gotten 1104 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,800 Speaker 1: them to back off. And in fact, Janine Piro suddenly like, 1105 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,519 Speaker 1: well I didn't I just was. It's just fact finding, 1106 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,920 Speaker 1: and it's just this. I mean, I kind of think 1107 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,760 Speaker 1: that they did walk back. So I don't see it 1108 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,200 Speaker 1: as a shrug. I see as that there's some guardrails 1109 01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,360 Speaker 1: quickly were erected, and it quickly got Trump to back 1110 01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:32,519 Speaker 1: off because notice, and I don't know when you sent 1111 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,840 Speaker 1: in this question, you know, but I would perhaps between 1112 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,720 Speaker 1: then and now you might see what I'm talking about here. 1113 01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,400 Speaker 1: And I think that when Scott Bessett very loudly said 1114 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,080 Speaker 1: that he told Trump this was a bad idea, I 1115 01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,160 Speaker 1: think that was an attempt to speak to the bond 1116 01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,600 Speaker 1: markets to keep them calm, that said, you know, and 1117 01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,800 Speaker 1: those that have been whispering in his ears, noting that hey, 1118 01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,880 Speaker 1: this is weakening the dollar, this is doing this. So 1119 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,320 Speaker 1: I think the most important development is the fact that 1120 01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:13,320 Speaker 1: Jay Powell was willing to be so public. To me, 1121 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:18,160 Speaker 1: that's another crack in in sort of Trump script on power. Right, 1122 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,519 Speaker 1: there isn't this you know, A Komi couldn't felt like 1123 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,160 Speaker 1: he couldn't do it for a variety of reasons. Leticia 1124 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,720 Speaker 1: James has you know, been cautious and how much he's 1125 01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,600 Speaker 1: publicly pushed back the fact that Jay Powell felt so 1126 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,280 Speaker 1: comfortable doing that. He didn't do it because he didn't 1127 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:39,080 Speaker 1: have support within the within the finance community. That's just 1128 01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:44,040 Speaker 1: something that he's thinking about there. But sort of other 1129 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,000 Speaker 1: NFL players here, man, you've you've you've got me thinking 1130 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:54,040 Speaker 1: of other former NFL players, you know, I think I 1131 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,000 Speaker 1: would want I think you definitely have to have Bill 1132 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,360 Speaker 1: Belichick and Tom Brady at the c I a right gate, 1133 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,000 Speaker 1: So that's a that's a natural you want them in 1134 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,840 Speaker 1: the counterintelligence space. They were pretty good at it on 1135 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,680 Speaker 1: that front. I can't wait. You know, this is one 1136 01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,000 Speaker 1: of those that I wish I had a laugh track, 1137 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,240 Speaker 1: right because I know that's a good line. I know 1138 01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,599 Speaker 1: that's gonna land okay with some people now, right. Hating 1139 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:22,439 Speaker 1: on the Patriots is fun right on that front. Let 1140 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:27,320 Speaker 1: me think of what other what other places I would 1141 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:32,720 Speaker 1: go with that. I think i'd put Kirk Cousins as 1142 01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,840 Speaker 1: Secretary of Treasury. Why am I saying that? Because this 1143 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,080 Speaker 1: dude figured out how to make money at all these stocks. 1144 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,120 Speaker 1: He's a good quarterback, but got paid like a great quarterback. 1145 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:49,160 Speaker 1: So give me that guy for fine for treasury. Let's 1146 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:57,120 Speaker 1: see who would be our best former football player as diplomat? Hmmm? 1147 01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,640 Speaker 1: Maybe on Sanders. I know he's loud, right, I know 1148 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:07,160 Speaker 1: he's painting bright colors if you will. But he has 1149 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:11,160 Speaker 1: a way of getting along with everybody, and ultimately you 1150 01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,920 Speaker 1: want that with diplomacy, So maybe i'll put Dion there. 1151 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,160 Speaker 1: You got to find a place for the rock. I 1152 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,839 Speaker 1: think that's a given, you know. I know he basically 1153 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,519 Speaker 1: only had a cup of coffee in the NFL, but 1154 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,760 Speaker 1: I think he'd qualify on that front. So you got 1155 01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:36,519 Speaker 1: to find a place for the rock. All right, I've 1156 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm now. I feel like I'm babbling here and 1157 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,439 Speaker 1: I've spitball too much. So I will, I will, I 1158 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,720 Speaker 1: will put a pin in this. But if I think 1159 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,200 Speaker 1: of some more ideas, Nick, I will, I will shoot 1160 01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:53,200 Speaker 1: it to you anyway, appreciate the questions. Remember ask Chuck 1161 01:14:54,080 --> 01:15:05,320 Speaker 1: at the Chuck podcast dot com. I got a few 1162 01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,479 Speaker 1: sports rants I want to get off my chest. First 1163 01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,200 Speaker 1: of all, this will be my last sort of full 1164 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:14,880 Speaker 1: podcast before I hopefully witness the University of Miami's six 1165 01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,400 Speaker 1: national title, or at least six national title that everybody recognizes. 1166 01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,760 Speaker 1: I know there's all sorts of weird national titles that 1167 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,920 Speaker 1: used to be handed out. The New York Times computer 1168 01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:26,960 Speaker 1: used to hand out a national title. I think Miami's 1169 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,080 Speaker 1: won two or three extra those over the years and 1170 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:34,000 Speaker 1: years that they didn't win it other places. I remember 1171 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,720 Speaker 1: reading Ole miss has claimed three national titles, but only 1172 01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,639 Speaker 1: one was one of those that was sort of considered 1173 01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,840 Speaker 1: a consensus national title. But that is sort of the 1174 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:46,080 Speaker 1: craziness and the fun of college football. But just sort 1175 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:52,280 Speaker 1: of a quick note. My Miami wins the game. If 1176 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,719 Speaker 1: they win the game, my guess is they don't score 1177 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,360 Speaker 1: more than twenty four points that it is a for 1178 01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,320 Speaker 1: Miami to win the game. They turn it into a 1179 01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,160 Speaker 1: rock fight, and I think Miami can win a rock fight. 1180 01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,120 Speaker 1: I also think Indiana can win a rock fight, but 1181 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:11,719 Speaker 1: ultimately I think the winning formula is rock fight. Indiana 1182 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:16,040 Speaker 1: wins the game if they get to a quick they 1183 01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,240 Speaker 1: get to an early lead, and Miami has to play ketchup. 1184 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:27,040 Speaker 1: I am. I'm also curious what happens to Mendoza if 1185 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,320 Speaker 1: he has to play ketchup if Miami can get an 1186 01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:36,040 Speaker 1: early lead. So ultimately, I think the first quarter it's 1187 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,080 Speaker 1: one of those I know this is I think the 1188 01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,960 Speaker 1: first quarter is going to be very decisive in this 1189 01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:45,000 Speaker 1: game in who you know, who gets to set the 1190 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,920 Speaker 1: tone of the of the game. Right If it's slow 1191 01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,000 Speaker 1: in plotting. This is one of those cases where do 1192 01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,720 Speaker 1: I want, you know, I think you always want to 1193 01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:56,840 Speaker 1: have the ball in the second half. But if Miami 1194 01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:01,439 Speaker 1: did get the ball first, I wouldn't mind because I 1195 01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,360 Speaker 1: think if they could methodically, even if they only get three, 1196 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,479 Speaker 1: you eat up eight to ten minutes and get points. 1197 01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,519 Speaker 1: You just sort of shortened the game. And the shorter 1198 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:16,599 Speaker 1: the game is I think advantage advantage Miami. But another 1199 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:18,120 Speaker 1: big part of this is how well is it? If 1200 01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:22,120 Speaker 1: went well is a strong word, what kind of officiating 1201 01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,599 Speaker 1: does this game have? Those big ten officials were kind 1202 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,320 Speaker 1: of flag happy. Those SEC officials, my word, we had 1203 01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,080 Speaker 1: SEC officials for that Ohio State game, but they didn't 1204 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,960 Speaker 1: want to they they let they did the old let 1205 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,439 Speaker 1: them play. If these two teams are allowed to play, 1206 01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,200 Speaker 1: they quote, let them play, officials. That's also advantage Miami 1207 01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:49,800 Speaker 1: on this front. And so you know, we'll say, I 1208 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:55,520 Speaker 1: am I'm clearly hopeful. I think Miami's being way underrated 1209 01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,680 Speaker 1: here on this front. I get it. Indiana's story is 1210 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,560 Speaker 1: the end a story. I saw a fun little comparison 1211 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:07,400 Speaker 1: that the best corollary to Indiana twenty twenty five is 1212 01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:11,479 Speaker 1: actually Miami nineteen eighty three. Right, if Miami doesn't win 1213 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,679 Speaker 1: that first national title against Nebraska, are they a flash 1214 01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,880 Speaker 1: in the pan that never goes anywhere again? Or And 1215 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, because what people forget about the eighty three 1216 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,360 Speaker 1: Miami team is the eighty three Miami team had maybe 1217 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,360 Speaker 1: two pros. Okay, it had some NFL talent, but it 1218 01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,920 Speaker 1: was not like the teams in eighty seven, eighty nine 1219 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,559 Speaker 1: to ninety one that just dominated recruiting in South Florida. 1220 01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:41,320 Speaker 1: And if Indiana wins, right, they suddenly are get to 1221 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,320 Speaker 1: flex like Ohio State and Michigan and they become a 1222 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,720 Speaker 1: destination program. Miami winning in eighty three made them a 1223 01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,559 Speaker 1: destination program. This is why why I think a Miami 1224 01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,919 Speaker 1: victory here, you know, pays huge dividends because it basically 1225 01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:00,280 Speaker 1: brings the South Florida high school football community sort of 1226 01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:05,960 Speaker 1: back into focus for the University of Miami. But I 1227 01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,760 Speaker 1: do think, you know, I do think there's something to 1228 01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:12,000 Speaker 1: be said that Indiana twenty twenty five Miami nineteen eighty three, 1229 01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:16,000 Speaker 1: that it's a fascinating book ind there, but for Miami 1230 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,719 Speaker 1: to be back into sort of the elite of college football. 1231 01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,600 Speaker 1: I do like the other part of this that they 1232 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:29,200 Speaker 1: were unlike that Miami nineteen eighty three team Indiana is 1233 01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,879 Speaker 1: not the underdog anymore. Indiana is the heavy favorite. Miami 1234 01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,760 Speaker 1: is the one that's the underdog. So just realize. And 1235 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,599 Speaker 1: if you're playing point spread games, the team with more 1236 01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,080 Speaker 1: NFL talent and the team playing at home is getting 1237 01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,479 Speaker 1: eight and a half points. And a point I made 1238 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,439 Speaker 1: with my friend Tony Corneiser on his show when I 1239 01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,519 Speaker 1: was picking games, Miami hasn't lost by more than seven 1240 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:59,360 Speaker 1: but more than eight points in three years. Mario Cristobal 1241 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,920 Speaker 1: does not Mario Crystobal. Teams just don't play the type 1242 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:08,400 Speaker 1: of game to get blown out. If it happens, God 1243 01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:13,320 Speaker 1: bless them. Good for you, Indiana. But that's the part 1244 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,120 Speaker 1: of this that I'm extraordinarily skeptical of. I obviously think 1245 01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,680 Speaker 1: we're going to win this game. You know, it's not 1246 01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,160 Speaker 1: just that I want to win this game. I really 1247 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:21,800 Speaker 1: think they're going to win this game. I think they're 1248 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,280 Speaker 1: the better team, but we're going to find out on 1249 01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,439 Speaker 1: the field. But I certainly believe they're a team that's 1250 01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:32,519 Speaker 1: not going to get blown out. There's a few other thing, 1251 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:36,960 Speaker 1: two quick rants that I want to get off my 1252 01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:43,479 Speaker 1: chest one. So over the holidays, I may I spend 1253 01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of time in a casino. And you know, 1254 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,320 Speaker 1: we have this income inequality problem all over the map, 1255 01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:52,800 Speaker 1: right and you see it show up in ways sometimes 1256 01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,879 Speaker 1: that are not obvious. But one of the pet peeves. 1257 01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,160 Speaker 1: You know this has been happening. You know, it's been 1258 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,919 Speaker 1: happening in Vegas for a while. I like to play blackjack, 1259 01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,720 Speaker 1: and you know, one of the things you really have 1260 01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,400 Speaker 1: to be careful of with blackjack right there is number 1261 01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:12,080 Speaker 1: one is those roto dealer machines that look like rollodex 1262 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,840 Speaker 1: is back in the day that just spit out cards. 1263 01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,280 Speaker 1: There's never even you know, I'll take an automatic shuffler 1264 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,280 Speaker 1: as long as we're using a shoe, right and that 1265 01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,000 Speaker 1: you see the cards go in. You know, I'm you know, 1266 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,600 Speaker 1: et cetera. But the ones that just automatic, right, I 1267 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,479 Speaker 1: you know that that is designed to help the house, 1268 01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,719 Speaker 1: not help the player. And then you've had the chipping 1269 01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,559 Speaker 1: away of how much money you win on a blackjack 1270 01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,680 Speaker 1: And in all of these places that I've been, it 1271 01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,400 Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether you're in Las Vegas, the Bahamas, a 1272 01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:47,240 Speaker 1: casino in Miami, at casino in Oklahoma that in order 1273 01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,280 Speaker 1: to chip away at at the and help the house, 1274 01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,479 Speaker 1: that they now pay six to five for blackjack rather 1275 01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,160 Speaker 1: than three to two. So, to give you an example 1276 01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:00,760 Speaker 1: of what that is is, if you play a ten 1277 01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,120 Speaker 1: dollars blackjack table, you get blackjack and you're getting paid 1278 01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,640 Speaker 1: six to five, you get twelve dollars. But if you 1279 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,400 Speaker 1: get blackjack at a table that plays pays three to two, 1280 01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:13,439 Speaker 1: you get fifteen dollars. That adds up and it actually 1281 01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:18,040 Speaker 1: changes the overall odds. Right. The reason blackjack ultimately is 1282 01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,080 Speaker 1: one of the one of the table games in theory 1283 01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,200 Speaker 1: that you have the best odds is because you know 1284 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,400 Speaker 1: if you play for a long enough time, you're going 1285 01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,439 Speaker 1: to get a certain amount of blackjacks. And you know 1286 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,120 Speaker 1: that's why playing consistently is the way to at least 1287 01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,040 Speaker 1: give yourself the best chance to beat the house at 1288 01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,960 Speaker 1: any give them time. But here's where this income inequality 1289 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,880 Speaker 1: aspect comes into this. If you want better odds, if 1290 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,800 Speaker 1: you want the old odds for blackjack, you can get 1291 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,160 Speaker 1: them at all of these casinos. If you're willing to bet, 1292 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,320 Speaker 1: to go to higher tables one hundred dollars, tables two 1293 01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,439 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a hand tables. Well, not a lot of 1294 01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,479 Speaker 1: people want to bet. I want to play blackjack at 1295 01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:05,759 Speaker 1: one hundred dollars a hand, but they literally are giving 1296 01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,800 Speaker 1: those that can afford to bet one hundred dollars or 1297 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,400 Speaker 1: ad better odds. And if you want to only play 1298 01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:14,680 Speaker 1: you can only afford a ten to fifteen dollars, you 1299 01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,400 Speaker 1: get lesser odds. So, you know, it's a small thing, 1300 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,800 Speaker 1: but it sort of is a part. It's this, you know, 1301 01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,479 Speaker 1: it's like all these different ways where we are creating 1302 01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,000 Speaker 1: two sets of rules. If you have money, you get 1303 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,880 Speaker 1: better odds, and if you don't have money, you get 1304 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,120 Speaker 1: worse odds. If that's not a metaphor for right now 1305 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,680 Speaker 1: life in America, I don't know what else is. Right. 1306 01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean again, it's I know it's quote unquote just 1307 01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:49,400 Speaker 1: about blackjack, but it really does is an example of 1308 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, if you have money, you get treated better, 1309 01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,439 Speaker 1: and if you don't, you don't. That's not what America 1310 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:03,120 Speaker 1: was supposed to be premised on. Right in some ways, right, 1311 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:04,920 Speaker 1: if you were a friend of King George, you got 1312 01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,120 Speaker 1: treated better than if you you weren't a friend of 1313 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,760 Speaker 1: King George. It's the world that feels like we're living 1314 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,240 Speaker 1: in now. Right, it's pay to play here in Washington, 1315 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,120 Speaker 1: d C. Right, if you've got if you want access 1316 01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:22,840 Speaker 1: to King Trump, you got to pay to get it. 1317 01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:24,880 Speaker 1: You've got to be of a certain status, and you've 1318 01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:29,800 Speaker 1: got to be of a certain amount of money. It's just, 1319 01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:36,559 Speaker 1: you know, it is it's a small thing, but it's emblematic, right, 1320 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:41,799 Speaker 1: And you know I would just urge these casino companies. 1321 01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:46,400 Speaker 1: You're already making a shitload of money. Do you really 1322 01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,560 Speaker 1: got a nickel and dime? Your ten dollars customers, you 1323 01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,040 Speaker 1: got a nickel and dime. You're working class and middle 1324 01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:57,200 Speaker 1: class folks that want to enjoy a casino. You're already 1325 01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,640 Speaker 1: taking advantage of them with the ridiculous slot machine business. Right, 1326 01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,880 Speaker 1: You've already sort of goosed the odds there. But now 1327 01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,599 Speaker 1: you're going to nickel and dime people that are smart 1328 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,040 Speaker 1: about cards, but maybe don't have the bankroll to go 1329 01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,479 Speaker 1: into the private room, or they don't have the bank 1330 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,719 Speaker 1: roll to afford one hundred dollars hand or fifty dollars. 1331 01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,680 Speaker 1: It's just it's it's really, it's like it's in your 1332 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:23,960 Speaker 1: face and it sending a message that, oh, you know, 1333 01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,880 Speaker 1: you get treated better if you have more money, and yeah, 1334 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,000 Speaker 1: that is a fact of life that that happens. But 1335 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:36,920 Speaker 1: can we not like embed it, right can you know? 1336 01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,880 Speaker 1: You know, maybe that's the way human nature is, but 1337 01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,439 Speaker 1: let's not embed it as policy, you know. And again 1338 01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,720 Speaker 1: it's a small thing, but it is symbolic of a 1339 01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:53,000 Speaker 1: larger problem we're dealing with in society, and it's not 1340 01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,439 Speaker 1: just in America, and it's arguably why we're in the 1341 01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:01,320 Speaker 1: polarized situation that we're in. So again, small thing, it's 1342 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:07,040 Speaker 1: an example on blackjack, but it is, but it is 1343 01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:11,040 Speaker 1: emblematic of this mindset too often that we have, which 1344 01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:15,240 Speaker 1: is you reward people that already have and you punish 1345 01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:20,600 Speaker 1: people that don't. One other rant that's sports related, so 1346 01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,799 Speaker 1: I get this. The Nationals are one of these teams 1347 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,840 Speaker 1: that don't have a TV right now, do not have 1348 01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,479 Speaker 1: a TV provider, They don't have a channel that they're 1349 01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,639 Speaker 1: on locally. We used to be on something called Masson. 1350 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,479 Speaker 1: It was something that was owned by the Orioles. It 1351 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,160 Speaker 1: was all designed is sort of to compensate the Orioles 1352 01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,200 Speaker 1: for taking the DC market away from away from Peter 1353 01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Angelo's back when he owned the team at some point 1354 01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,400 Speaker 1: it was supposed to end. It's been an absolute nightmare 1355 01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,560 Speaker 1: for the Nationals. It is arguably what is sort of 1356 01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,439 Speaker 1: tied the hands of this current ownership group. And I 1357 01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,080 Speaker 1: think they would would have sold the team a couple 1358 01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:03,639 Speaker 1: of years ago if an owner thought that they weren't 1359 01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,519 Speaker 1: tied up in this mass and mess. So we're getting 1360 01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:08,960 Speaker 1: out of the mass and mess. So I get this 1361 01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,920 Speaker 1: email a new way to watch National Games introducing a 1362 01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,439 Speaker 1: new way to watch National Games in twenty twenty six 1363 01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,439 Speaker 1: right stream all games, and it says click here to 1364 01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,080 Speaker 1: learn more. All right, So I'm excited. I'm clicking here 1365 01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,719 Speaker 1: to learn more. And it says beginning this season, fans 1366 01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,600 Speaker 1: can watch Nationals dot TV on cable, satellite, or in 1367 01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:33,200 Speaker 1: the MLB APP. I'm like great, and then it says 1368 01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,080 Speaker 1: click click to view in market streaming faq and then 1369 01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:42,960 Speaker 1: click to view satellite, cable or MVPD viewing options faq. Okay, 1370 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,760 Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, let me figure out this 1371 01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:50,200 Speaker 1: satellite cable aspect. Can I still watch Nationals games through 1372 01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:54,439 Speaker 1: my satellite or cable provider? The answers says yes, Nationals 1373 01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,559 Speaker 1: dot TV will be available on select cable and satellite providers. 1374 01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:01,639 Speaker 1: Specific providers in cable channel locations will be announced closer 1375 01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,320 Speaker 1: to the start of the season. Next question, what channel 1376 01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:09,800 Speaker 1: will NATIONALSTV dot TV Beyond Specific channel locations and cable 1377 01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,920 Speaker 1: and satellite providers will be announced later this offseason. We 1378 01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,599 Speaker 1: expect that the channel locations will be located near other 1379 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,760 Speaker 1: sports programming. How do I watch Nationals Baseball if I 1380 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,559 Speaker 1: live outside of the local area MLB dot tv subscribers, well, 1381 01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,640 Speaker 1: we already knew that. The point is, they make this announcement, 1382 01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,479 Speaker 1: they have nothing to announce. They don't know if the 1383 01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,280 Speaker 1: Nationals dot TV where it's airing. They've made no deals 1384 01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,559 Speaker 1: with YouTube TV, made no deals with DirecTV, with Dish, 1385 01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:40,759 Speaker 1: with Comcast, with Exfinity, whatever, you know, Charter cocks, whatever 1386 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,680 Speaker 1: is left on how this works. And they still put 1387 01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:49,360 Speaker 1: this out come on guys, We're all wondering. Oh, and 1388 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,080 Speaker 1: it got It got even worse here because this gets 1389 01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:56,639 Speaker 1: at the whole because this really chat. It's gonna chap 1390 01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,840 Speaker 1: a lot of fans. You know what, First, it's a 1391 01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,920 Speaker 1: will I be able to stream Nationals games? The answers Yes. 1392 01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,080 Speaker 1: Nationals dot TV on MLB dot tv includes access to 1393 01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,440 Speaker 1: all local Nationals games on a variety of devices. Then, 1394 01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,200 Speaker 1: as it's how will it work and how much will 1395 01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,960 Speaker 1: it cost? Nationals dot TV and market streaming packages will 1396 01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,240 Speaker 1: be purchased for a discounted rate at ninety nine dollars 1397 01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,439 Speaker 1: per year or nineteen ninety nine per month, So you're 1398 01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:26,320 Speaker 1: going to have to pay directly to the Nationals to 1399 01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:31,040 Speaker 1: get access locally. But wait, there's more. Are there any 1400 01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:35,120 Speaker 1: blackouts in market? Nationals dot TV subscribers can stream all 1401 01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:39,760 Speaker 1: local Nationals broadcasts with no blackouts in market Nationals dot TV, 1402 01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:45,800 Speaker 1: So you're asking local fans now to pay, and I 1403 01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,400 Speaker 1: guess this is the future of television. But you know, 1404 01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,360 Speaker 1: when you've lived in a world where you already have 1405 01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,880 Speaker 1: a cable subscription or you know, you just you hope 1406 01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:55,960 Speaker 1: your local baseball and your local MBA and your local 1407 01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,200 Speaker 1: NHL is just going to be on your cable system. 1408 01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,720 Speaker 1: Well now you know they're just going to cut it 1409 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,240 Speaker 1: out and you're going to have to have a So 1410 01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,719 Speaker 1: we go from having a specific subscription for our streaming 1411 01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,040 Speaker 1: platforms and our cable subscribers, so now we're gonna have 1412 01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:17,479 Speaker 1: to have direct subscriptions to to the team in order 1413 01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,559 Speaker 1: to watch the team locally. I mean, my goodness, even 1414 01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,759 Speaker 1: the NFL is not making you do this, right the NFL. 1415 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,240 Speaker 1: If you're a Commander's fan here in Washington, the Washington 1416 01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:28,760 Speaker 1: game is going to be on local TV and you're 1417 01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,080 Speaker 1: not gonna have to pay extra money for it. But 1418 01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,320 Speaker 1: you are if you're a Nationals fan. I have to say, Look, 1419 01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:37,880 Speaker 1: I understand they're in a box here, and it's kind 1420 01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:39,600 Speaker 1: of we're going to live in this temporary It's like 1421 01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,800 Speaker 1: you're living out of a suitcase as a franchise at 1422 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:48,200 Speaker 1: the moment. With not having a devoted sort of TV partner, 1423 01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:52,280 Speaker 1: which they don't, they're basically outsourcing this to MLB. You know, 1424 01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,920 Speaker 1: I know this is a total mess, the Sinclair matt 1425 01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:59,600 Speaker 1: regional mess, and that this whole thing is just screwed up. 1426 01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:06,599 Speaker 1: I empathize to a point, But there is some alternatives here, right, 1427 01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,400 Speaker 1: And you have a Nationals organization that may may or 1428 01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:11,639 Speaker 1: may not want to sell to ted Leonsis, who owned 1429 01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,759 Speaker 1: something called Monumental Sports, which is sort of the local 1430 01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,600 Speaker 1: sports around here. That would be the easy way to 1431 01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,720 Speaker 1: cut a deal. For whatever reason, they don't want to 1432 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,160 Speaker 1: do that. But you're doing a disservice to your fans. Look, 1433 01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,519 Speaker 1: they already are doing a disservice to us by no 1434 01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,280 Speaker 1: longer being interested in building a winning baseball team for 1435 01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,360 Speaker 1: the next two or three years. They're actually doing more 1436 01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,639 Speaker 1: of a teardown in order to extend this five year 1437 01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,759 Speaker 1: rebuild another five years. So you know, that's what happens 1438 01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,080 Speaker 1: when you have ownership that doesn't want to spend any money. 1439 01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:45,600 Speaker 1: But now we're going to get nickel and dimed in 1440 01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,840 Speaker 1: order to watch our triple A franchise on the major 1441 01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:50,599 Speaker 1: league level. We're going to have to pay more money 1442 01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,880 Speaker 1: to do this. Now, I'm an addict. I love my Nats. 1443 01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,519 Speaker 1: I'm still going to be hopeful because that's what we 1444 01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,400 Speaker 1: baseball fans are. But you know, this is just a 1445 01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,639 Speaker 1: communications one on one. If you have nothing to announce, 1446 01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:10,400 Speaker 1: don't announce it. They put out this huge release to say, 1447 01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,759 Speaker 1: here it is. You're gonna be able to watch Nationals 1448 01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,040 Speaker 1: dot TV on cable. But we can't tell you where 1449 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,600 Speaker 1: on cable, We can't tell you where on satellite. We 1450 01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,559 Speaker 1: can't really tell you anything about it other than we're 1451 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,960 Speaker 1: gonna if you if you don't want to find it. 1452 01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,679 Speaker 1: If we don't come up with a cable or satellite partner, 1453 01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,000 Speaker 1: and we don't cut a deal with a local TV affiliate, 1454 01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:34,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna make you pay to watch the Nationals on TV. Anyway, 1455 01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:41,400 Speaker 1: Baseball is an incredible game that has a lot of 1456 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:46,080 Speaker 1: messed up business practices, and this is just a reminder 1457 01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:52,880 Speaker 1: of just how screwed up the entire media ecosystem has come. 1458 01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:57,120 Speaker 1: And you know how much we're all being charged to 1459 01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,560 Speaker 1: watch sports and we're all being you know, it's I 1460 01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,920 Speaker 1: will say this, I worry that we are we you know, 1461 01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:08,000 Speaker 1: just like I was ranting about what we're doing to 1462 01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:11,360 Speaker 1: working class people like casinos, that we're essentially going to 1463 01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,040 Speaker 1: start pricing people out of being able to watch sports 1464 01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:20,280 Speaker 1: at home. Is that really what you want? Rob Manfred? Seriously, 1465 01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:22,760 Speaker 1: is that what you want? Is that good for the game. 1466 01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,840 Speaker 1: Don't you want the biggest possible audience to be watching 1467 01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:31,120 Speaker 1: baseball and not put it behind a velvet rope? Anyway? 1468 01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:37,080 Speaker 1: All right, brandt over hopefully the next time I come 1469 01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:38,800 Speaker 1: to you, Actually that's not true, because I'm going to 1470 01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:42,960 Speaker 1: drop an episode on Monday before the game, so you 1471 01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:47,960 Speaker 1: will hear there'll be one more episode before then. I 1472 01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,000 Speaker 1: know we're all I'm I'm I've had a hard time 1473 01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,719 Speaker 1: focusing on all sorts of other things because of this moment. 1474 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,880 Speaker 1: It's been a wonderful distraction, but for me it has 1475 01:33:57,960 --> 01:33:59,920 Speaker 1: meant the holiday season extends all the way to you 1476 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:05,759 Speaker 1: Aanuary nineteenth, and it will end about eleven thirty Eastern 1477 01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:09,640 Speaker 1: Time at hard Rock Stadium. So hopefully I'm in a 1478 01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:13,360 Speaker 1: good mood after that. So with that, enjoy your weekend. 1479 01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:18,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for supporting this both audio and video podcast. I 1480 01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:23,400 Speaker 1: appreciate it. If you've got any comments, questions, queries, or complaints, 1481 01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:27,120 Speaker 1: shoot them to Aschuck at LeChuck podcast dot com and 1482 01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:29,639 Speaker 1: with that, I'll see in about ninety six hours.