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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this episode number three and one,

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Speaker 1: and today in the show, Steve Vanilla and Janice Potelus

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Speaker 1: they're joining me to share the very exciting news about

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Speaker 1: how and why we bought a farm and then habitat

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Speaker 1: consultant Jake E Linger hops on for an audio tour

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Speaker 1: of our new chunk of Dirt and now welcome to

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Speaker 1: the wire Dhunt Podcast. As I just mentioned today in

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Speaker 1: the show, we have got all sorts of exciting news,

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Speaker 1: lots and lots of exciting news. So here in a minute,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hop over to a conversation I had with

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Speaker 1: Steve Ranella and Janice Ptelis from Meat Eater to discuss

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Speaker 1: one the heck which did why we bought a farm,

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Speaker 1: what we're planning to do with it, and why I

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Speaker 1: think all this is going to be particularly interesting for

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Speaker 1: pretty much all of you, including some very very cool

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Speaker 1: giveaways coming up, so stay tuned for that. And then

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Speaker 1: after that we're gonna get into a conversation that I

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Speaker 1: had with White Tail Habitat consultant Jake Elinger earlier this

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Speaker 1: summer to give you all an audio tour of sorts

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Speaker 1: of the new property. We walked up with Jake. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get his perspective, his first impressions, and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of ideas he has for how we can start shaping

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Speaker 1: this thing into something new. But first, let me just

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Speaker 1: say this, I am super excited about this new project.

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Speaker 1: Over the last decade or so that I've been putting

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Speaker 1: out content for Wired to Hunt, I've always kind of

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Speaker 1: looked at myself as a guinea pig. You know. My

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Speaker 1: job here has been to seek out the best experts

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Speaker 1: and resources in the deer hunting world, learn as much

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Speaker 1: as I possibly could from them, put their ideas to

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Speaker 1: the test in the real world, and then report back

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Speaker 1: to you on what's working, what's not, what I learned

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Speaker 1: along the way. Now, I've been able to do this

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Speaker 1: across a pretty wide swath of of types of deer hunting.

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Speaker 1: You know. I've been able to do a lot of

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Speaker 1: d I Y type hunting on by permission properties, on

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Speaker 1: small lease properties, done a bunch of public land hunting

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Speaker 1: across different parts of the country and to a small scale.

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Speaker 1: I've been to the dabble here and there with some

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Speaker 1: I've never really been able to dive deep into private

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Speaker 1: land conservation and whole scale land improvement projects until now.

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Speaker 1: So with this new project, the aim is to guinea

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Speaker 1: pig a whole slow of new idea is related to

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Speaker 1: how to turn a tiny property into a killer hunting

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Speaker 1: spot and ways that we can manage and improve the

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Speaker 1: entire ecosystem from everything from bees to birds to bucks

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Speaker 1: and everything in between. So that is the game plan

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Speaker 1: for this year. I'm going to continue to hunt my

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Speaker 1: spots by permission, keep putting. The Big Woods Family Deer

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Speaker 1: Camp got three out of state public land hunts. But

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Speaker 1: now I'm going to add to all that this deep

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Speaker 1: dive into small scale land management. So really hopefully going

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Speaker 1: to be like to have a little bit of something

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Speaker 1: for everyone, really flesh out a whole wide spectrum of

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Speaker 1: different ways to deer hunt, test it all out, and

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Speaker 1: maybe pass something along you guys. It's helpful and interesting

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Speaker 1: along the way. So that's what's coming up. Enough beating

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Speaker 1: around the bush, though, Let's just get right to Steve

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Speaker 1: Ronella and Janice patel Us and myself to give you

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Speaker 1: the full scoop on our new project. Alright, we're back

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Speaker 1: in another one of those Front of the Truck podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I got Steve Ronella and Janice tell Us sitting up

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Speaker 1: here with me and in Front of the Truck podcast

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Speaker 1: something that happens a lot. It kind of is yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I'm always traveling around and inevitably end up recording.

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Speaker 1: Here's the best podcast studio I have. Do you think

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Speaker 1: our podcast studio is stinking? But we're doing this thing.

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Speaker 1: We've been half in the rain for the last four hours. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we'll be, we'll be smelling it up, but we are

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Speaker 1: here for a good reason. We have something exciting to share.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to do you want to break the news?

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Speaker 1: Like like you've got a really great line at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of our video. The enthusiasm is spot on. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: This farm that is it? We did by a farm,

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Speaker 1: and I want to tell everyone what we bought, why

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Speaker 1: we bought it, what we're doing. So it's the back forty,

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Speaker 1: but the back forties what we're calling it, what it

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Speaker 1: we're surprising with how many more acres we have instead

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Speaker 1: And it was one of these things where, gosh, back

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Speaker 1: I've always thought if I ever was able to go

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Speaker 1: It was just always about having the means to finally

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Speaker 1: been a lot more challenging than I expected, but we

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Speaker 1: did find it. We found the sixty four acres. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I told you this. But I think we've spent several

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Speaker 1: actually the day I found out the property we wanted

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Speaker 1: looking on line different portals and different real estate sites,

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Speaker 1: And on my way to that property, I passed a

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Speaker 1: sign here at this place had never had never popped

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Speaker 1: up online before. Was it just like a sign nailed

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Speaker 1: And what we are trying to do at a high level,

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Speaker 1: and you jump in here, Steve, but at a high level,

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Speaker 1: just like what would be regarded as a very achievable

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Speaker 1: It will still be like a huge jealousy factor, like

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Speaker 1: we I'll never have something like that. But it's like,

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Speaker 1: First and foremost, we have, of course, we'll be telling

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Speaker 1: different articles related to the types of things we're trying

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Speaker 1: that story as well, and not just you know, showcasing

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Speaker 1: best manage it for everything from bees to birds to bucks.

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Speaker 1: I think they don't forget the squirrels, and squirrels don't

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Speaker 1: But one of the more interesting things to me about

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Speaker 1: To let natural processes play out is like great, But

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Speaker 1: in the place like this, that ship sailed, man, that

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Speaker 1: ship sailed a couple hundred years ago. Right, this is

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Speaker 1: all manipulated landscape. It's been manipulated and then manipulated again,

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Speaker 1: and then manipulated again and changed and whole new plant

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Speaker 1: there's not that much. Uh there's no big woods left.

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Speaker 1: It's just wood plots and wood lots. And it's such

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Speaker 1: if someone walks away from it, it oftentimes just goes

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Speaker 1: And so when you realize that, you're like, in a

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Speaker 1: the blue wind. It's not really you know, if you

431
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Speaker 1: were going to buy us, this is more of a

432
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: deer property, definitely not a squirrel farm. It's not a

433
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Speaker 1: squirrel deer and turkey. And there's not your great, big,

434
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: wide open timber, a bunch of oaks. We've got a

435
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: series of old egg fields that used to be farmed,

436
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Speaker 1: they've been out of production for two years, has been

437
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: two years, and then fast and then a big acre

438
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: swamp in the middle that connects into a larger system

439
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: across their naming properties. And then a thick brushy cedar

440
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: native grass swamp, not swamp, prairie, ridgeline. It's got some

441
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: really cool habitat on it. So there's a nice diversity

442
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: of different habitat types. Uh, there's turkeys, there's deer, there's squirrels,

443
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: not as many as we wish there were rabbits. There

444
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: are lots of different birds species. Yeah, so we've been

445
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: trying to serve like what do we have here now?

446
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: How high quality is the habitat? Now it's raw at

447
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: this point, but bird species six birds, something like ten

448
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: mammals um and we're gonna, you know, get to work.

449
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty interesting what I learned today

450
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: that you told me about the like the two major

451
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: criteria you had when you were shopping from the farm.

452
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: Which were those two that I told you that you

453
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Speaker 1: would have a neighboring farm that doesn't allow any hunting,

454
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: or you would have a swamp. Yeah, that that would

455
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: and those two things you felt like are very strong

456
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Speaker 1: factors possibly producing a Yeah, so what I was saying

457
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: was to try to find a place to hunt where

458
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Speaker 1: you'd have a chance of seeing like a big mature

459
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: buck in Michigan. Those are the two things I look for,

460
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: Like a big swamp system, something nasty that could become

461
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: a sanctuary for deer where hunters won't go into it,

462
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: or yeah, a place that just doesn't allow it. But

463
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: I apply that not to buying a farm, or not

464
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Speaker 1: just to buying a farm, but also even when I'm

465
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: trying to get permission, like I will seek out big

466
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: swamps spots. So in this case that we had a

467
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: part of that swamp on the property, that was like

468
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: a big flashing green light that got me excited. But

469
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: then I was also looking for something that had like

470
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: all those building blocks. This is kind of like a

471
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: blank canvas. What I like about all the old fields

472
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: is that you have the opportunity to try a lot

473
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: of different things. If it was nothing but sixty acres

474
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: of pure, big hard timber, it's a lot harder to

475
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: manipulate Aventure forest versus this kind of habitat. There's tons

476
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: of room to do stuff. Yeah, So so that's what

477
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: we're working with. We're gonna show step by step by

478
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Speaker 1: step everything we're doing. The new video A series is

479
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: launching when this comes. I'll be launching next week, and

480
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: you'll get to see from the beginning everything from trying

481
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: to fare out what do we have here to bring

482
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: these different habitat and wildlife experts, to then actually starting

483
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: to try to do the work. And I've alluded to

484
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: some of the challenges in previous conversations on the podcast,

485
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: but always kind of loosely. I haven't shared the full

486
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: ah set of frustrations. But as you guys have probably

487
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: got to know over the years that you've known me,

488
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm not the handiest. I don't have farming background. I

489
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Speaker 1: don't have you pick. Does it not handy? Dude? No,

490
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: you're not handy. Not handy. I'm trying trying to get better,

491
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: but I'm not naturally handy. My dad was a computer guy,

492
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 1: so I got that thing grown up, but I did

493
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: not get like the hands on work stuff. So I'm

494
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: just always struggling through trying to figure it out. Yeah,

495
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: so this has been like all sorts of struggling through

496
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: type of things, figuring out how to get this piece

497
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: of equipment to work or how to get this thing

498
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: going or so we've had those things, but we're pushing

499
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: through it. We're making some progress. Our first set of

500
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: habitat projects are in the books. Very small steps so far,

501
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: but we have something. And the first hunting season and

502
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: we just did the whole squirrel thing. Deer starts in

503
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: two weeks. Yeah, and then next summer you can just like,

504
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: oh yeah, starting this winner, starting this winter, it's gonna

505
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: be a lot. And it should point out too that

506
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: this is an area. This is an area in Michigan

507
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: that produces some big bucks. It is I mean like

508
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: right around here. Yes, that is very true. And and

509
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: that was one of the other things I did look

510
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: for was trying to find when you're looking for a

511
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: small property, especially and if a deer is one of

512
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: the things that are most important to you, a very

513
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: very helpful thing is to be in the right neighborhood

514
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: kind of like generically talking about the zone where there's

515
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: other people that might be on the same page as

516
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: you as far as management efforts. So that was another

517
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: thing I looked at, was trying to get to know,

518
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: like who are the people around here? Are other people

519
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: interested in managing for wildlife and deer, and I was

520
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: able to talk to friends of friends and do a

521
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: little snooping around and chatting around and found out that

522
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: there are some neighboring landowners who are in the same

523
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of same kind of page. Well, for perspective, how big,

524
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: how big was the buck? And how big was the

525
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: property that you got the buck on last year? So

526
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: I killed a five year old hud buck last year

527
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: on what sized property? Eighty nine acres, but more than

528
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: half of that's just wide open field. So really it's

529
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: like forty and you knew and that buck was there,

530
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: and you knew he was like living in there. Well,

531
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: he was living somewhere else, and I saw him like

532
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: once a year until last year. Then all of a

533
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: sudden he showed up for a month and camped out,

534
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: camped out. But that's like, that's that's like a comparable

535
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: kind of thing here. Yeah, so like you could make

536
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: us it wasn't like it wasn't accidental that he settled

537
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: into that zone. Well, what I was telling the honest

538
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: earlier day is like that has been a neat little

539
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 1: micro cosum or a small example of what might be

540
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: possible here because on on that little farm. I'm able

541
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: to do just a tiny little bit of habit at

542
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: work and a couple of spots that don't mess with

543
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: the farmers property with his I don't know. I just

544
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: have access to it. Um. But what I do, what

545
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: I do have control over is you know, when it

546
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: gets hunted and so by. You know, we talked about

547
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: this gun season sanctuary idea. I do a number of

548
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: things like that to try to make this property really

549
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: hospitable to deer at certain times of the year. And

550
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: I think over the years that has led to the

551
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: general population of deer in the larger area getting you know,

552
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: a more and more Well, that's what I'm looking for,

553
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: you a higher age class across the board. There's more

554
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: older deer, there's larger deer. There's I think, you know,

555
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: in in small micro ways. I've been able to make

556
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: a positive impact there simply by making a handful of decisions.

557
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: But then when you have something like this where it's

558
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: all fair game, that kind of success with so little

559
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: control gets me so much more excited for what could

560
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: be possible here. When anything's possible. Um. But what that

561
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: challenges I mean acres, I mean, it's it's it's it

562
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: seems like a lot to me because I've never had

563
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: anything to work with like this. But on the grand

564
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: scale of things, it's it's pretty small. The deer aren't

565
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: really living just here right there, all over the neighbors too.

566
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: We just need to try to create something that all

567
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, deer, turkeys, etcetera. Will find the sweetest spot

568
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: in town. Yeah. Well, I think just a kind of

569
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: a final thought on it, man is, haven't been involved

570
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: now and sort of the business of hunting television for

571
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: a long time. Uh. One of the top conversations I

572
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: have with people, um who like to hunt and then

573
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: they sort of look at representations of hunting from magazines

574
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: and represent presentations of hunting from TV shows is that

575
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: they're often like seeing a world. They're seeing a world

576
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: that's not their world, meaning that they're they're watching people

577
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: hunt these like like giant least properties or hunting you

578
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: know up in the Arctic and alask whatever, right, and

579
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: it just doesn't look like it doesn't look like what

580
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: they're doing, when what they're doing is they're out pursuing

581
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: their passions on again, like modest small patches of ground

582
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: right down like the property down the road, the property

583
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: across the road, their uncle's little place, right, Like, that's

584
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: where if you want to talk about just like nuts

585
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: and bolts American hunting, that's where it's taking place. It's

586
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: it's people hunting white tailed deer. A little ship in

587
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: chunks of ground is what it is. And so let's

588
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: talk about that for a while, right, I mean, like,

589
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: I really you can show all this stuff that's like aspirational.

590
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: It's great, and I engage in a too. Man, we

591
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: do all kinds of aspirational stuff. We're like at a point, yeah,

592
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: let's let's like examine that thing that might at this

593
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: from from that might to some people from the service level,

594
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: be like, it's not that exciting, it's not that interesting.

595
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: It's just a small patch of ground. The bucks aren't

596
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: you know so far as no like Boone and Crockett Box,

597
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, sure, but that's what we're living, man,

598
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: and that's what most people are living in. So let's

599
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: let's kind of like show and discuss and kind of

600
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: explore a very real world for most people and see

601
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: what you find out. You should add and celebrate because

602
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: that's uh pretty uh special thing to have. That's very true.

603
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: So what we're going to start today is fleshing out

604
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: a picture of what it is we're doing here. And

605
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: after we end this little introduction chat with the three

606
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: of us, were bringing on Jake e Linger, who's a

607
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: habitat consultant who was one of the people that came

608
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: out here toward the property with us earlier this year,

609
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: and he's going to help us kind of kind of

610
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: give you an audio tour of the property and share

611
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: with you his thoughts on everything he saw and ideas

612
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: for some some steps we could take to move into

613
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: this new direction. So that's the rest of today's episode.

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00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna talk about. If you're interested in

615
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: what we were what we're trying to dive into here,

616
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: if you go to the Meat Eater dot com slash

617
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: back forty, you'll be able to eventually see maps of

618
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: the proper pretty some of all the content that we're

619
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: creating around it, and all sorts of the video series

620
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: everything we're talking about. You can also do that right

621
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: now as today at the media dot com slash win

622
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: a hunt that will take you right to that sign

623
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Speaker 1: up as well. So I'm guessing a good way to

624
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: stay abreast of everything that's going on here at the back.

625
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: Forty would be to sign up for the weekly White Tail. Yeah,

626
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: the same place you sign up with that link I

627
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: just mentioned. You'll be on the newsletter. So think. And

628
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: when you win this hunt and you shoot your buck,

629
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: I will make hot buttered buck nuts for you. Who

630
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: could say no to that? I will cook when you

631
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: get your bar. Mark's licking his lips right now. That

632
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: doesn't even have a dough tag. Right when you get

633
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: your deer, I'll cook every damn thing you want to

634
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: eat and some things you don't want to eat. All that,

635
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: and with that we'll let you go. Thu, Stephen Jann

636
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: for coming out here checking it out, and uh, we're

637
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: gonna have some more adventures out here soon. Thanks Mark,

638
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: Thank you. Mark. Alright, so we are doing um one

639
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: of these on location podcasts, but we're not in a cabin,

640
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: we're not in a house. We're actually sitting on my

641
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: back deck here with Josh ford or Hilliard and Jake

642
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: E Linger. We got a nice view with the bean

643
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: fields and stuff behind us. Um, there's been a lot

644
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: of does and fawns feeding back there. So five bucks

645
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: to anyone who sees feeding out there. While we recorded podcast. Alright,

646
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm watching for Deer the whole time. Um, But what

647
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: we did today was a lot of fun as far

648
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: as what I'm concerned about, and that's what I want

649
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: to talk about in this episode the podcast. What I'm

650
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: hoping we can do here is do like an audio

651
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: version of what Josh and I just got to experience

652
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: with Jake, which thank you Jake for doing. For spending

653
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: the time you spent with us today walking our new

654
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: property with us. If if any of your clients get

655
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: the kind of which I'm sure they do, plus some

656
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: if they get the kind of like interesting insights and

657
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: advice and recommendations and and enthusiasm like we did there

658
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: in for a treat. I was telling Josh on or

659
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: drive back. Probably my favorite thing about spending time with

660
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: you in the woods, whether it be this property or

661
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: when we toward yours, it's like just your genuine excitement

662
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: about it. It just gets me even that much more

663
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: because I can telege as you are about it, the

664
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: the the the opportunities you see in places, and that

665
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: is cool. Um, So that's a special thing. Well, thank you.

666
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: You know. I often struggle with do people see the

667
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: vision that I do, and I know a lot of

668
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: guys that hire me don't. That's why I'm there. But

669
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: for me, you saw, I can walk into a place

670
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: and I can see in my mind what it can be.

671
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: And that's why I get all jacked up because I

672
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: just know a little bit of TLC a couple three

673
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: years of time. Man, can this be a great place

674
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: to hunt? Yeah? And that's that's you know, that's what

675
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: we're looking for here today? Was right? We we we

676
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: bought this new property in southern Michigan. It's sixty four

677
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: acres of raw potential from what I saw when I

678
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: eventually first scout it out and picked in and we

679
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: were able to purchase it. And I've had all these

680
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: different ideas and all these different visions in my head

681
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: and things I want to do or things I think

682
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: we could do, or things that maybe we could do,

683
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure how to quite pull it off. Um.

684
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: But to this point, it's been mostly just me and

685
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: a couple other people I know that have been able

686
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: to really take a look at it. I was really

687
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: hoping for an outside new perspective on them, Like, was

688
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: I right? And the ideas I saw, the opportunities I saw.

689
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: Are there some other potential red flags that I didn't catch? Um,

690
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: how would somebody else approach this? That's those are the

691
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: questions I've been having. And I want to bring someone

692
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: like you in who has that kind of skill set

693
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: and and just a long background of experience to pull

694
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: from to take a look at the property and say,

695
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: these things look good, these things not so much. Here's

696
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: some different ways to think about improving your food source.

697
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: Here some different ways and think about improving your betting.

698
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: This is how I think deer might be using it now,

699
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: this is how you could change that. Here's some things

700
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: to think about from a hunting standpoint. I mean, that's

701
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: that was like my dream situations if you were able

702
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: to come in and share those kinds of ideas, And

703
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: that ended up being exactly what we did. We walked

704
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: all over the place, stopped in a lot of different

705
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: locations and kind of broke it down. Um. Some idea

706
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: for this conversation now is let's rewalk our steps, Let's

707
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: park our truck at the front of the property and

708
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: walk through it again and talk about what's of interest

709
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: and just we'll dive into more detail now than we

710
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: did earlier. Today when we were just walking about with

711
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: the video cameras and chit chat. So, so we pulled

712
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: into the parking lot. It's not really parking lot. We

713
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: pulled into the drive. I've got a lousy screen that

714
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: I tried to plant at the front of the farm

715
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: to try to block it from the road. It's it's

716
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: it's actually one of the best on the property. So

717
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: cam in Okay and with some nitrogen, I think will

718
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: be able to get the boost and will work. But

719
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: we started out in that front field. We call it

720
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: field number one. It's basically the property kind of looks

721
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: like the state of Oklahoma a little bit. If you

722
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: imagine like a pan kind of looks like a make

723
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: a pot almost, and the panhandle is where the property starts.

724
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: That's the road front is the narrow portion of the

725
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: panhandle there. That's field number one. It's a big brushy

726
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: field overgrown with all sorts of stuff and then thick,

727
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: nice fence rows all around it. So we started walking

728
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: down the north property boarder. I've got a little two

729
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: track kind of cut in there. Just I guess give

730
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: me your first perspectives on what you saw when we

731
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: started walking through that portion of the farm. Well, what

732
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: I liked was you've got the really neat what i'll

733
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: call the traditional old fence rows. They're quite wide, probably

734
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: five to ten yards wide, big trees, cherries, some oak trees,

735
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: some hickores, things like that in there. And then you've

736
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: got you know, kind of this patch where of fields

737
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: that at one time we're cultivated but are not this year.

738
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: So you know there's all kinds of good natural betting

739
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: already in their golden rod, pig weed, uh, ragweed growing

740
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: in there. There was a lot of natural food sources

741
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: and good cover right now the way it is. But

742
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: because of that, your access is a little bit tight

743
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: because you're in that when you say we enter into

744
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: the panhandle, so it's narrow. You've only got one or

745
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: two choices where can I walk? So you pick the

746
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: north fence rows makes as much sense as anywhere, and

747
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: as great as it is with some cover and opportunity

748
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: to food for food, that's the last place you want

749
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: to put food. If you're in and out of there,

750
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: you park there. I like the idea of your screen.

751
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: I think if you get some two things, hit it

752
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: with some nitrogen, and then maybe go back in with

753
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: a broad leaf killer and knock off the competition, and

754
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: you'll still see it be five six ft tall for

755
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: the years over, and that'll be good for you pull

756
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: in there and be hidden. I do think that it's

757
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: as when I originally got on here early in the spring,

758
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: I was like, well, this is up front in the road.

759
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: There's not gonna be much activity. But now with how

760
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: well all that gold run everything has grown up. I

761
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: mean it's once you get just back a little ways,

762
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: I mean it feels quite secluded. Yeah. I think at

763
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: a minimum we'll be able to do a lot of

764
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: dough hunting up there, don't you. You pointed out a

765
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: couple of things when we were there, like the high

766
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: spots versus the low spots. Um, can you touch on

767
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of that? How you thought, dear? Might

768
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: you know? So we we walked maybe I don't know,

769
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty yards heading east along the north border,

770
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: and we came to i'd probably guess primarily the high

771
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: point in that field, and it was a nice little,

772
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: nice little flat shelf. And so typically because of wind

773
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: and uh, just the way air moves in high ground,

774
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: deer like to cross where they can have the best

775
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: ability to have their noses work for him. And then

776
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: directly east of there, maybe fifty sixty yards, it was

777
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good, nice little low spot, which again depending

778
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: on the conditions the wind direction, things like that, dear

779
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: are gonna across and utilize that as well too. So

780
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: there's two neat little spots right there where you're gonna

781
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: have encounters with deer. And then when you came to

782
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: the corner of the very first food uh fence road

783
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: that went north and south, you've got a gap to

784
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: bring equipment through, and what a place to kill dose.

785
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: We hadn't been there five minutes right there basically, and

786
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: we what was it three four There was a couple

787
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: of three and they were just in that tall golden

788
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: ride and all that pig way, and they weren't five

789
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: or ten yards away from us. Was really cool. We're

790
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: just standing there talking. All of sudden they jumped up

791
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: and ran away. So I think long term, depending how

792
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: long you own it, you might consider into the core

793
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: of that first field. The food source was some screening

794
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: all the way around it for like early season in

795
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: late season doe harvest, but it would require your screen

796
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: do really really well, so nobody from the road can

797
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: see what you got going on in there. So okay,

798
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: so how far across do you think that like the

799
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: panhandle from north to south, so the narrow old length

800
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: of that panhandle, how far do you think that's a

801
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: hundred yards wide? Maybe? So how far do you think

802
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: from our access trail would we need to put that

803
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: food source? If we're going to get into food source,

804
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: they're screened in little plot, which I did think I

805
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: have thought about them that can you get that in there?

806
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: Would be nice to have a little something up here?

807
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: How far away do you think we have to get that?

808
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: We get to quietly getting enough if you have a

809
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: good screen and and it would require two screens, one

810
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: along that trail and then one also on the inside

811
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: edge of the food plot, so you could definitely get

812
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: into them. So you could have kind of a long, narrow,

813
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: hourglass shaped plot in the center of that field. And

814
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: with the screens plus the natural goal and round, all

815
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: that stuff has to be real, real thick, that'd be uh,

816
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, from a priority, there's lots of other things

817
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: you can work on, but a couple of years from now,

818
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: if you've got everything else working for you, that'd be

819
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: a place to focus on and another thing you mentioned

820
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: though that could keep it low key, but maybe just

821
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: sweden it just enough to help our early season dough

822
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: hunts was the idea of doing some strategic mowing through there. Yeah,

823
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: can you expand on that, so you could go into

824
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: the lower area and across that high spot that deer

825
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: like to cross, and just literally mow a four foot

826
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: wide winding trail through that high golden rod and and

827
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: pigweed and maybe make a couple of openings. You know,

828
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: think of a clover leaf with two or three and

829
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: and so you'll have that the exit trail go up

830
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: and then end up next to another fence. For all

831
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: that's easy for you to access. And so you and

832
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: those deer are going to use those edges. They're gonna

833
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: use those internal openings. Even though there's not food per se.

834
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: You'll mow that. Something's gonna come up, probably some clover

835
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of volunteer stuff is going to come up.

836
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: So you'll have green in there this fall, probably something

837
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: for it a six inches tall, and de you're gonna

838
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: congregate in those openings. They're gonna use those edges. I mean,

839
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: if you get creative and just do some winding trail

840
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: systems with some openings in there and then have them

841
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: ending where you want to stand location. I think that's

842
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: a really easy way to just take advantage of that

843
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: field one end field to really which are the two

844
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: parts of the panhandle? Kind of that I you know,

845
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, access is the big question mark with

846
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: a lot of things on this farm, but especially there

847
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: at the front because it's the Panhandle. It's a very

848
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: narrow area I have to come in and out of

849
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: every time I hunt. I originally, okay, these first two

850
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: fields that formed the Panhandle, I'm just gonna not gonna

851
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: plant anything because I was afraid of spook and deer

852
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: in a night. But I think this is a really

853
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: clever way of still doing something that can help you

854
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: just a little bit, just improve your chances hunting up

855
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: there a little bit. And I think there's no question

856
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: that there are deer already up in there. Yeah, Like

857
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: were we spooked them? When I've walked out from a

858
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: Scotlan trip the other day in the evening, blew a

859
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: bunch more deer out of there than I realized. Um,

860
00:44:54,719 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: And it would be easy, quick project to do for something.

861
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: This is the first week of August. So if you know, man,

862
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: if you just get in there in the next two weeks,

863
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: get that done, I mean you're you're good to go.

864
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: And just keep in mind, don't do any straight lines.

865
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: Make sure those trails can deer can't see into an

866
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: opening into where you're walking or where you're walking into

867
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: an opening, there has to be a big enough you know,

868
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: s curve in it or something to block their visions

869
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: so when you are walking through, they're not able to

870
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: see you. It's a good point. Now is that more?

871
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: Is that mostly just for that reason so they can't

872
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: see you, or is there also something to be said

873
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: about that encouraging their movement down the trail. It's twofold one,

874
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: so they can't see you. But secondly, when you do

875
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: get bucks cruising, you know they use their eyes a lot,

876
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: and if they can look out and say, oh not

877
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 1: need dose that little opening. But if he can't see

878
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: into that opening, then then it will force him based

879
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: on when to walk down around that curve look in there,

880
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: and he just might go all the way across and

881
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: walk right through another mode trail you have going to

882
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: a oak tree that you've got set up and you're

883
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: happy to be hunting there that day and it can

884
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: just you know, um okay, So Field one, that's the

885
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: story there. It's it's mostly gonna be our access and

886
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: exit route. It's going to be a spot we can

887
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: get some good dough hunts in early and who knows,

888
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean a buck could come cruising through there. But

889
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: it's a safe location to get to, very easy to access,

890
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: very nice place to harvest. Goes you're not even in

891
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: the property per se, piece of cake. We found a

892
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: really nice tree five yards off the road that we

893
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: think Josh will hunt from. We did see location. I'll

894
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: be sleeping in while you guys are. Then I'm super

895
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: early to hike all the way the back. I'll show

896
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: up just before daylight there. And that you can find

897
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: the silver lining and anything that's that's a good um.

898
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: So then moving to Field Too, very similar to Feeld one,

899
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: and that it's this overgrown old farm field. I guess

900
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: we shouldn't know, like Field one must have very high

901
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: quality soil or something going for it, because it did

902
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: have like the best growth. I mean it was already

903
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: above our heads in that field. So imagining in entire

904
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: farm field covered in six to eight foot tall, we

905
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: growth of falls or stuff, golden rod. There a lot

906
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: of diversity, and you moved into field too, so we

907
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: just got, like, like you said, a five or ten

908
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: yard thick fence row of just trees, cherry trees, brush.

909
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: You get to feel too again mostly the same thing,

910
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: except for it starts to drop off down towards the

911
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: bottom and then on the neighboring property you've got a

912
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: small chunk of timber that connects into this field. Um,

913
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: and that the bottom of this hill is where our

914
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: big swamp begins. Was there anything and field to worth noting?

915
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: Outside of what we talked about the field one? You

916
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: know what I did like about Field two was the

917
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: topography change and the fact that just as you transitioned

918
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: from field one to field two, there was at north

919
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: south fence row and that little tractor gap, and that's

920
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: where those funds were laying up high on the hill,

921
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: probably for sent scenting conditions and other things, but again

922
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: just a perfect location for dough harvest. Easy in, easy out,

923
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: don't have to drive back very far and pick it up.

924
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: And I do think I think for sure there's gonna

925
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: be movement coming in and across there from that timber

926
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: on the side of the ridge across our old field.

927
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: And then if we do the food plot that we'll

928
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: talk about in field three, that could pull dear across

929
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: right through there and use that the you know, two

930
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: thirds the way up the ridge kind of typical ridge

931
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: type moving across there you might see. And the fact

932
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: that say, the eastern end of field two was the

933
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: lowest level and that's where you're swamp and thick cover

934
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: sanctuary type environment was. I think there's gonna be a

935
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: lot of cruising opportunities the eastern end and and the

936
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: northern edge because of that thick cover that the neighbors got. Yeah,

937
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: that's a good corner. Um. What would there be anything?

938
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: So those two fields as of now we're talking about

939
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: mostly leaving relatively in touch. Maybe put a little food

940
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: plot in their tuck then there, maybe do some strategic

941
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: wing um. But you saw the types of vegetation in

942
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: there right now in those two fields diverse, um, a

943
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. Would you recommend or is it

944
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: something not worth prioritizing trying to do anything to manage

945
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: that vegetation there, or is it pretty darn good as

946
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: it is and you should let it be you know,

947
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: for a couple of years it's going to be fine.

948
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: Eventually other succession comes in and it will change. But

949
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: you know, maybe two years down the road, if you

950
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: have people or have experience doing backburning control burns, you

951
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: can actually burn the bris and maybe do a very

952
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: light disking through there. Man, it'll be up eight nine

953
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: ft tall again the following year, given rain and the

954
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: conditions this year. Okay, that's that's kind of some of

955
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: the things I was thinking about, trying to just revitalize,

956
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk to some of the other fields

957
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: that aren't as good. You know, We've talked about some

958
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: other ideas, but I really do want to make sure

959
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: we one thing about those fields in the early spring

960
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: when they're you know, extentia is a foot eighteen inches tall.

961
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: That is a lot of deer food. I think people

962
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: totally miss how much good natural food is right there

963
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: fields coming back up. Man, that's good at early successional growth. Certainly,

964
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: the times I've been on turkey hunting the spring and stuff,

965
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: they were hitting it there in their feet. There's a

966
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: lot of good food for him. So that's nice to see.

967
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: So we headed down that hill. We got to the

968
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: bottom where the edge of the swamp is. When we

969
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: continued on towards field three and you get to this

970
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: kind of big cross intersection where you get the power

971
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: line which is the edge of the swamp, intersects with

972
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: this two track that goes down into the swamp across

973
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: the high spot in the swamp that also intersect with

974
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: the offense row coming down and then there's a gap.

975
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: So imagine like take a t, make a t with

976
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,479
Speaker 1: your hands, and then make a little gap right where

977
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: those two lines come together. Imagine there's a little gap

978
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: in the trees there that deer could come easily through

979
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: back and worth along each line. That's the kind of

980
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: situation we have where fields two and three come together.

981
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: And I stopped and I said, hey, this was an

982
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: area of interest for me. Do you see it too? Um,

983
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: can you describe what you saw and if you if

984
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: you agree with that at all? Yeah, And number one,

985
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of steep right there where it's heading to

986
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: the east going down the hill, and yeah, there's a

987
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: power line that you know it's been opened and the

988
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: utility people keep it clear. And you've got a fence

989
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: row that comes to an end and leaves a nice

990
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: gap right there, and I think especially during the cruising

991
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: phase of you know, pre rut, what a location to

992
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: get into. And it might even be a good evening

993
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: stand in early season, say the tenth to fifteenth of October,

994
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: given good conditions. Again, there's just a great edge there,

995
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: and because of the opportunities the deer to kind of

996
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: show up from anywhere, come out of the swamp from

997
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: the east, come from the west, and that's the only

998
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: gap they can go through. It would be very easy

999
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: for you to get in and out of that. That's

1000
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: what I like about it. Access is great, and that

1001
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: that whole tree, the whole fence row that comes up

1002
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: behind it is really thick, and it's actually a big

1003
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: ditch in there, and just a bunch of junk and

1004
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: tangled mess in They're like, I don't see many deer

1005
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: wanting across that. They're gonna want to come through that game.

1006
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna use that game, especially if you

1007
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: take the time to mow it or something like that

1008
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: to give them a little path to walk through down there. Now,

1009
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: is there the barrier like those kind of brush barriers

1010
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: and those in the uh has that been built up

1011
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: along that? Like we saw up towards the front. No,

1012
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: I don't think there's that like up towards the front

1013
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: of the property. More towards the beginning of the panhandle.

1014
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: The previous owner or several owners back could like stacked

1015
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of trees and stuff like that. That doesn't

1016
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: continue there. But it's just like there's it used to

1017
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: be a ditch. It looks like they filled it with

1018
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of trash and junk. So there's a bunch

1019
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: of junk junk in there, and then it's just tangled briers.

1020
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I've never even tried to walk through.

1021
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: It's like so nasty just for me to walk through.

1022
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: Uh So, I gotta believe most deer would rather not

1023
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: at least probably. Um So, it's a nice big I

1024
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: can't remember what country it was. It was a big tree,

1025
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: was an oak, a big cherry, because a cherry right there,

1026
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: big tree they all looked at. That's where you put

1027
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: the stand, yep. I think we could The question can

1028
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: we get a if we do a saddle sit up there?

1029
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can get a saddle tether

1030
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: around because it's so big, So what to look at that?

1031
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: Maybe you'll have to do the ladder stand or something

1032
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 1: to get around a big enough tree like that. But yeah,

1033
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: easy spy, you could sneak right into the back of

1034
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: the hype climbing there. See in the field three, maybe'll

1035
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: see the little I don't know, the food plus pretty

1036
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: tucked down in there, but you can see you can

1037
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: a little long ways hopefully get some cruising along that edge. Also,

1038
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: deer might be coming up and down that uh line

1039
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: of travel along the fence rather extends down the two

1040
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: track through the swamp to um, so those are I

1041
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: think you also will see up into fields four and

1042
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: five swamp to the other side. We could also kind of, um,

1043
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: you know, buddy up as an observation stand for you

1044
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: because you know we're it's sitting and you can see

1045
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: right across your swamp in the fields three and four.

1046
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: So it could be a very beneficial stand for the

1047
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,479
Speaker 1: right time of the year. Yeah, I mean, I could

1048
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: totally see the first couple of days the season maybe

1049
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: even like I kind of wanna be in the action

1050
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: because you never know. At the same time, I want

1051
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: to just be able to see a lot of stuff.

1052
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: Being a low impact that's kind of just enough in

1053
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: there that I feel like there's a chance that something

1054
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: could pop out the same time, I can see a

1055
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: lot of country and not really be messing stuff. And

1056
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: when you go to Leaven evening when it's dark, there's

1057
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: no food around here, so you can just slip right

1058
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: out and slip any deer. Well, that's the beauty of

1059
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: that spot. So the one downside about filming or recording

1060
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: podcasts outside of my deck in farmland is that when

1061
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: the guy who farms the farm right next to you

1062
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: decide to spray everything right when you record a podcast,

1063
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: it just happens. So we're gonna get some round up

1064
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: spread on us or something here, Yeah, in the next

1065
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: few minutes, but we'll be okay. So we saw that

1066
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: intersection point thought that would be a good place to

1067
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: hang a stand, And then it took you to field

1068
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: number three, which was this next field that is a

1069
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: little bit larger than one and two. It's another one

1070
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: of those overgrown farm fields. This one is not quite

1071
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: as thick as the others. There's some spots where was higher,

1072
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: some spots or it wasn't quite as good. And you've

1073
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: got um some mayor's tail and different things like that.

1074
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: Um but this is a location that I thought it

1075
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: would be a good place to possibly put a food plot,

1076
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: because it's far enough from that north access route that

1077
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: I didn't think you'd be spoken deer when you come

1078
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: in and out. And I wanted to have some kind

1079
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: of attractive food source on the west side of the swamp,

1080
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: so i'd have somewhere to hunt with wind directions, you know,

1081
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: on that side. Um, I didn't want to have to

1082
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: always go to the far side of the far right,

1083
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 1: so I thought, I gotta have some kind of food

1084
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: source on this side to work with. So my original

1085
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: idea was to plan a pretty substantial food plot in

1086
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: that field, and I planned a screen of Egyptian wheat

1087
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: and sorghum and sunflowers and various things along the what

1088
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: would that be the western border, um, along this neighbor's property,

1089
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: and he's got there's like a barn and a garage

1090
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: and a bunch of junk and stuff there, and then

1091
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: even in one corner you can even see the house.

1092
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: So I thought, I need a thick screen there to

1093
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: block this whole neighbor's yard and stuff visually from this field.

1094
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: If we're gonna do it and make this work from

1095
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: a food plot standpoint, the screen did not come in

1096
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: well at all, So basically it's unscreened. Now with that

1097
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: situation place, if you imagine neighbor's house can see all

1098
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: these things overgrown field and then a swamp of the

1099
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: bot on the hill. And I came to you, Jake,

1100
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: and said, okay, now what do I do? Can I

1101
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: plan a food plot here? Should we not do a

1102
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: food plot here because of how how visible it is

1103
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: by that neighbor? Um, what do you think about that area? Well,

1104
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, lucky for you, you had a really nice

1105
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: little depression about two thirds of the way to the

1106
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: south and close to the east side of the third

1107
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: uh field tree, and it was low enough to where

1108
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: if you put food in there, the neighbor is never

1109
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: gonna be able to see it. The deer when there,

1110
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, it must be twenty feet of train change

1111
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: and it's probably gonna get a half acres worth by

1112
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: the looks of it. So I encourage you to go

1113
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: in there and moment spread and plant some food in there.

1114
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: And that's going to really help that that stand that

1115
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: we just previously talked about in that gap, because you're

1116
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: going to get a lot of north south deer movement

1117
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: right along that that fence row using that same train. Yeah,

1118
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna follow it along that thick edge, and there's

1119
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: the food and it could be a really good spot.

1120
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: And I think you'll be able to get in and

1121
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: out of there real easy into that stand because that

1122
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: food is down over the hill. I mean, I don't

1123
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: think the deer will ever know you're there, right, And

1124
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: the beauty of it, you could hunt the stand. We

1125
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: talked about the t intersection. You could have a stand

1126
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: there and hope that you'll get deer traveling on the

1127
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: edge towards it. Um. We also talked about the idea

1128
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,959
Speaker 1: of brushing in the ground blind just above the food

1129
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: pot so that you could access it from the back

1130
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: slip in and then just once you're in, you'd be

1131
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: able to see down the crest and from the west

1132
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: and that would be a great ground line. You know,

1133
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't want to hunt much. Yeah, a couple three hunts,

1134
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: a couple of times at the right time, and then

1135
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: maybe you could even hunt. We never even went to it,

1136
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: but the far south border there on that edge, you

1137
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: could probably throw a stand and catch deer moving out

1138
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: in that direction. You'd have to. And then you could

1139
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: walk right up by the neighbor's house walk neighbor is

1140
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: a junk pile and go down to that stand exactly

1141
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: and not bother any deer. You know, Yeah, I think

1142
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: that's gonna be. Ah. I think that's gonna be a

1143
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: little better location than I'm even giving a credit for,

1144
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: because I do think that deer, there are going to

1145
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 1: be some number of deer. They're gonna want to move

1146
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: out that direction, head towards those crop fields across the road.

1147
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: Natural movement would pull them out that way. On certain

1148
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: wind directions. It might be it might be a nice

1149
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: little sweet spot. It could very well be. And then

1150
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: that from there is just this big swamp. And I

1151
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: described it to you was kind of the shape of

1152
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: a gourd, like one of those cords, like a long

1153
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: handle on it, kind of. And um, so at the

1154
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: far northern side of the swamp is the handle of

1155
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: the gourd, and as you go farther south, it widens

1156
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: out into this big, bulbous shape. So that's this big swamp.

1157
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: And we we crossed the narrowest portions, we crossed the

1158
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: handle of the gourd. We've got a little two track

1159
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: that runs across the dry spot, and we got into

1160
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: the beginnings of that wet land, and then we walked

1161
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: a little bit a couple of that. We entered it

1162
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: into several different parts to look in what we're kind

1163
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: of looking at as a sanctuary. We're kind of I'm

1164
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: kind of almost entirely leaving the swamp as a sanctuary

1165
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: because it's acres maybe of really incredible cover and tough

1166
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: to get in and out of, very tough for a

1167
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: human to get in and out of there without something

1168
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: no when you just stepped in. And I think that's

1169
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: one of the biggest reasons why I liked this property

1170
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: from the beginning, because I had that. I don't know

1171
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: what you think, Jake, but so often when I'm looking

1172
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: for a property here in Michigan, just like when I'm

1173
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: looking to get permission or something, I always try to

1174
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: find a property that's close to like wetlands swamp something

1175
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: like that, or or another thing could be like a

1176
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: farm that's awful the mist hunting, or something that's going

1177
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: to protect a buck. To maturity. I feel like a

1178
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: big swamp is one of those things that can give

1179
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: to maturity because I can hunker down there during gun

1180
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: season and survived the orange dr army. So when I

1181
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: saw that, I was like, right there, that tells them

1182
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: it's probably a mature buck around here because he has that. Um.

1183
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: So tell me what you thought about what that looked like,

1184
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: how you would be using it or manipulating or leaving

1185
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: a touch or world. Just where we entered first, you know,

1186
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: it was kind of thick and there were some cherry

1187
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: trees and you've gotten invasive buck thorn we didn't talk about,

1188
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: but you've got some buck the worn. But once we

1189
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, that was ten or fifteen yards and it

1190
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: went into read canary grass with some uh, there were

1191
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: some dogwood edges, but they were a very natural deer

1192
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: trail right along the cover where it was dry enough

1193
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: to not be wet and they're keeping them from getting

1194
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: their feet sage. Okay. A lot of trails going in

1195
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: and out of there. And so I saw that as

1196
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: a great location. There was a couple of cherry trees

1197
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: that you could put a stand in and that would

1198
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: be more of a rut period stand to watch deer

1199
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: and probably with a south and a southwest or west wind,

1200
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: that would then be more on the east side of

1201
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: that swamp, trying to use their nose to set check

1202
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: what's laying or using or crossing that swamp, trying to

1203
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: cut trails of doors. And then those deer would come

1204
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: right via in that stand and you would actually be hunting,

1205
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, just into the the edge of the swamp,

1206
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: but you'd be up in a nice high tree, you know,

1207
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: that's part of a big old fence row right there.

1208
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: And it's it's kind of a natural pinch that's formed

1209
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: because of how everything grew right there. It's almost like

1210
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: if you imagine a triangle, a right triangle, so you've

1211
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: got that right angle, and then you imagine you're holding

1212
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: your gourd and then you take a right triangle and

1213
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: just jamming into the side a little bit, and so

1214
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: you've got that angle cut into the gourd of your swamp.

1215
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: That's sort of what's happened here. And that inside corner

1216
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: there of the right triangle that you pushed into the

1217
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 1: gourd creates that pinch that you have now, and deer

1218
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: want to move on the edge of the swamp, the

1219
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: corner forces them around it, which just I think becomes

1220
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: that special little focus of activity, right I think you know, again,

1221
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: when it comes to a you know, at seeking cruising

1222
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: phase at ten days of the year before they're actively

1223
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: chasing and running and and all that, that would probably

1224
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: be a high activity area of buck screwsing through there. Now,

1225
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: how do you think deer are using the Gordon general? Um,

1226
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: you saw we didn't go way deep into it, but

1227
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: you saw a couple of little points within if you

1228
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: imagine it looks mostly like that. You know, some of

1229
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: it's wet, there's some there's some islands where you've got

1230
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: some maple trees and some cottonwood trees and some willows

1231
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: growing on. And then on the narrow end of the

1232
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: gourd towards the north, that's where it again became higher ground.

1233
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: So I think the deer are using that north higher ground,

1234
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: and then they're they're using whatever is dry, depending on

1235
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: the season, along the edges of where it's dry. And

1236
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: then probably when it comes to gun season, just because

1237
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: of pressure, you've probably got some little islands and things

1238
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: out there, some little clusters the size of this table,

1239
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: maybe twice the size of this table, and you're gonna

1240
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: have deer useing nose just to get away from people.

1241
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: So do you think that most of the dope do

1242
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: most of the dough betting is happening, like up in

1243
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: the hills and the fence rows, and something right up close,

1244
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: maybe right on the edge of your swamp, but right

1245
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: up close at first ten yards of cover where it's

1246
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: still high ground. And then bucks. Do you think bucks

1247
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: even now might be betting on some of those islands

1248
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: in the swamp or they stand up? I think there's some,

1249
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, depending how many mature bucks you have right now,

1250
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: But of course this time of the year, they're all

1251
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: pals in there and at each other's thin Yeah. Yeah.

1252
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: So what about sanctuaries in general? What's your perspective on

1253
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: like this idea I have of leaving that thirty five

1254
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: acres relatively untouched. Um, is that something you generally like?

1255
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: Is that something you recommend? I mean, I love having

1256
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: a sanctuary having that area you do not hunt, okay,

1257
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, manage it. Clear out trails

1258
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: in the off season to know where these deer are

1259
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: moving and then set your stands according to be on

1260
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: the entries and the exits. But you've got to have

1261
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: a sanctuary. You've got to have place that the deer

1262
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: on that property that you're trying to advance to the

1263
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: next age class can go get away from you and

1264
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: get away from the other hunters and still, you know,

1265
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: we all have a pretty good life without a whole

1266
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: lot of stress and everything else. So the the argument

1267
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: from some people would say that's stupid to leave a

1268
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: best party of property in touch because that's where they

1269
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: want to move in daily. Um, what's your answer to

1270
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: that person? You know, there's there's one or two days

1271
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: a year I set stands. You've been in my place.

1272
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: I do go into my quote sanctuary, but it's just

1273
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: once or twice and again, we're hunting a high pressure state.

1274
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: You're a little bit different here and depends what your

1275
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: goals are. And I think your goals are to try

1276
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: and move dear that you used to be happy to

1277
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: take now and to advance him to the next age class.

1278
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: So if you've got a really good one, kind of

1279
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: a homeboy, it spend a lot of time there and

1280
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: you'd really like to see him next year, then give

1281
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: him that spot. Don't don't go in there and and

1282
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: push him so hard that he leaves. Then he might

1283
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: go over in the neighbor's property. Even getting a little

1284
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: trouble um, But I mean, I love sanctuaries for what

1285
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: they what they are, and it is a safe place,

1286
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: a safe zone for those funds and bucks of different ages.

1287
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: And I like that they offer you, as a landowner,

1288
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: opportunities to hunt mature DearS. They come and go, but

1289
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in leaving them alone most of

1290
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: the time. But it's worth taken to risk, especially when

1291
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: you've got a buck that's on your list, he's in,

1292
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: you're getting pictures of him coming and going. Then when

1293
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: everything's right, go in and hunting. Yeah, you know the

1294
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: Hall Mary Shop. Yeah, from a from a management perspective,

1295
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, talking about sanctuary stuff. In the off season

1296
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: doing some work. I know you mentioned trails cot some

1297
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: trails in there. What would be like your number one

1298
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: recommendation in that area to do this offseason too. I

1299
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: would I would go in there in the off season

1300
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: and follow those trails, see where they go, and they're

1301
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: gonna some of them are gonna lead into some really

1302
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: thick cover and it's gonna be so thick it's you're

1303
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: gonna see it's very hard for deer to move through there.

1304
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: So go in there and open those trails up to

1305
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, three ft wide, you know, two two and

1306
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: a half feet wide or so, get them tall enough

1307
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: so that you're tall tined. Ten inch bucks that you

1308
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: grow around here can move through there when they are

1309
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: in velvet because they don't like to mess up their

1310
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: antlers as they're moving around. And clear that debris out

1311
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: of the way. And then cut kind of some side

1312
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: spurs that go to some high ground for dose to use,

1313
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: so they actually you can just you can double the

1314
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: amount of deer use in that sanctuary by opening up

1315
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: new trail systems. Maybe you maybe the trail has got

1316
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: a bit of an arch curve to it, and you

1317
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: you cut a snaking trail that goes from one part

1318
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: to another and just adds a little another feature of movement.

1319
01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: And so I do a lot of that in the

1320
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: off season. Cut openings and locations for dear to move freely,

1321
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: but still give them all the cover, make them feel like, man,

1322
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: we're in here and it's great. And then strategically ending

1323
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,479
Speaker 1: those that's points where we want to have a stand

1324
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: set up, direct those out tours and you know, yeah,

1325
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: any of those trails that that you're cutting should be

1326
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: connected and eventually come by a location you've got a stand,

1327
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: and those are the stands are easy for you to

1328
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: get into. Your literally going in five yards, you're in

1329
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: that stand. You haven't really entered the sanctuary. So talk

1330
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: about how you think, uh, these bucks will be operating

1331
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: during the fall or with that swamp a little bit around. Um,

1332
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,959
Speaker 1: how you imagine them using the wind to check what's

1333
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: happening in the swamping. Because we talked about setting you

1334
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: know that little right triangle into the gourd, We're like, hey,

1335
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: we should stand there because they'll be cruising it. But

1336
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: why are they cruising it? What are they trying to

1337
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: do there? Um? Because I'm always I'm always interested to

1338
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: know what direct what wind direction are they going to

1339
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: come this direction? And what wind direction when they go

1340
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: that direction? Can you just allow? So Number one, we're

1341
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: talking about a mature deer, and here in Michigan, I

1342
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: consider that three and a half and older. Some might

1343
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: say four and a half and older, but for sure

1344
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: three and a half and older and then a three

1345
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: and a half Michigan deer's pretty well pressured, knows a

1346
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: lot about hunters, starts avoiding people, and also deals with

1347
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: a lot of competition. There's not near as many three

1348
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: and a half here, there are an other states, so

1349
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: that puts him in line to be a breeder, okay,

1350
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: active in the rut. So what that buck's trying to

1351
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: do is literally just be very efficient, cover enough ground

1352
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: quick enough so he can go from one location to

1353
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: and to the next. So he's gonna use his nose

1354
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: most of the time. He's gonna be down wind or

1355
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: he suspects does are betting, or he's gonna he's going

1356
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: to use a parallel trail along an edge of that

1357
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: swamp where there are dough trails that are perpendicular that

1358
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: are going crossing maybe the the reed carry grass and

1359
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: going up into those maples. So there might be three

1360
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: or four places where does like to frequent. So his

1361
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: goal is through that hundred and fifty yard walk that

1362
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: he's taken that morning, he's gonna cut four or five

1363
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: of those trails and hopefully come across uh a dough

1364
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: that smells like she'd be worth you know, going and

1365
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: checking out. And in that process he's also going to

1366
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: keep tabs on his competition. Some of these Now you

1367
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: start getting into your four and five year old bucks,

1368
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, they're in the top of the hierarchy, and

1369
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: they maintain, you know, their ability to stay at the

1370
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 1: top of that hierarchy. So they're pretty pretty concerned about

1371
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: who their competition is. And through that process, they're making

1372
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: some scrapes here and there, they're doing some rubs and

1373
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: that's hiss, you know, say, and it's always on the

1374
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: down wind side, so under you know, that last pinch

1375
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: point that's ideal for west south and southwest. If the

1376
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: wind happens to be out of the north, then that

1377
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: buck is going to be completely over any other side

1378
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 1: of that swamp, over on the west side of that swamp,

1379
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: on the south side of that swamp, doing his cruising

1380
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: because he wants to smell the want a cross, and

1381
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: you know they're they're nomadic animals that don't follow us.

1382
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: Gripped a lot, but in general, you know, I'm just

1383
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: because hey, anybody who's hunted and watched, you're gonna see

1384
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: deer that do things completely different than what I'm mentioning.

1385
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: But in the grand scheme of things, their goals they

1386
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: get down wind and use their nose as possible. When

1387
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: you're in really good cover where there's never a person

1388
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: like your sanctuary. They never run across human odor. Then

1389
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: they start letting their guard down because it's thick, it's

1390
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,879
Speaker 1: security cover, and then they'll do things called tail winding

1391
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: and maybe not really worried about the wind for this

1392
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: to fifty yard jaunt that they take through the read

1393
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: canary grass where it's it's kind of an opening, so

1394
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: the wind in one moments from the north and the

1395
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: next moment it's from the west. They don't, you know,

1396
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: they just it's the right time of the year for

1397
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: them to take a risk because they feel like they can.

1398
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: But you won't see them do that in open field,

1399
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: that type of thing. So when you say tail winning,

1400
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: you're you're saying walking somewhere with the wind actually coming

1401
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: from behind them. Yeah. Um. So we checked out that

1402
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,440
Speaker 1: little right triangle in the gore, checked out the sanctuary.

1403
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: We talked about the sanctuary. You know, one other things

1404
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: on the sanct where standing point that should be of note,

1405
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: And this is something I've talked about in the past,

1406
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: but I'll bring it up just one more time because

1407
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: you asked about it while we were walking through. It

1408
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 1: was if I planned to use my gun season sanctuary

1409
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: idea in there, which which I do um and and

1410
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: it sounds like you've maybe done something somewhat similar or

1411
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: heard of, at least the idea of leaving almost the

1412
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: entirety of the property almost untouched during the gun season.

1413
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: And now, I know some people want to hunt during

1414
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: the gun season. That's fine, and I sometimes go out

1415
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: a couple of days. But I've kind of found the

1416
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: most valuable thing I can do during the gun season

1417
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: is make my property the safest place around, because all

1418
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you get tons of hunters everywhere else

1419
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: coming out. Every deer rushes to the one place there's

1420
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: no one bugging them. If that ends up being your property,

1421
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've done two things. You have

1422
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: a better chance of the bucks that you are interested

1423
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 1: in killing surviving long enough that you can be the

1424
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: one that gets hun the most. I'd much rather hunt

1425
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: my buck when I'm the only person around for six

1426
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: acres versus when I'm one guy of fifty other guys

1427
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: that are in that six acre block, depending on where

1428
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: you're at, So one gives me a better chance to

1429
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: have that mature buck to still hunt in a more

1430
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: controlled environment in December, late season of my bow or

1431
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: musler or whatever. And then number two, I think you

1432
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: have a disproportionate impact on the larger population as far

1433
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: as what bucks can make it to the next age class.

1434
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: If all of a sudden, you can have the place

1435
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: that all these bucks come to for safety, all this

1436
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: year and a half old and two and a half

1437
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: year olds and three and a half year olds, and

1438
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: you're not going to bother them in there all of

1439
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: a sudden, those bucks aren't getting killed. That might otherwise

1440
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: if you were hunting and walking in and out bumping

1441
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:39,879
Speaker 1: all this deer off your farm. Now they're going everywhere,

1442
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: and everyone else who was out there who wants to

1443
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: shoot them all all the deer get killed. So just

1444
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: by leaving my place on touched for a couple of weeks,

1445
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: I think I can have an extra large impact on

1446
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: the quality or an age structure of deer in the

1447
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 1: general area by gave him in that safe spot. So

1448
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: I do that in a lot of my property. Is

1449
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: not saying I'm not ever out there. UM. I'll still

1450
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: make my presence known every once in a while, and

1451
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: you know you gotta be careful, but low impact, um,

1452
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: And I think it really helps. You're doing it just

1453
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: the way I tried idea to do the same thing.

1454
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: You know, my place becomes a real sanctuary from gun

1455
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: season on. It's uh, if if you're willing to sacrifice

1456
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: a little time now, it's of course it's a good

1457
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: time to kill deer. So I understand people want to

1458
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: get in there deer run around all over the place

1459
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: and fun tradition and get that. But if you have

1460
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: somewhere where you're willing to lay off, it's it's a

1461
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: very it's it's a little trick to really improve things.

1462
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: I think, well, I think Jake, you're saying this that

1463
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: you had a buck maybe moving was if it was

1464
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: it maybe last year season and just stuck around. Yeah,

1465
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: there was a total stranger and he's stuck around. I've

1466
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: always wondered that if you come in you've got a

1467
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: really great situation, like, oh this is over here. Yea. Yeah.

1468
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: And I never ever got pictures of him. He was

1469
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: a whole new guy, and he was, you know, fairly nocturnal.

1470
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: It seemed in daylight a couple of times. And then

1471
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: all you know during uh March when they said he

1472
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: was just getting pictures of him all the time, watching

1473
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: him grow this summer and now he's becoming a little

1474
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: more nomadic like they get at this time of the year.

1475
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: But he's still there and that's what's pretty cool. So

1476
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: he didn't leave you. Yeah, I am. It's very excited

1477
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: about it. That's good. That's it's nice to have those

1478
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: kinds of get excited about. So, so we we left

1479
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: the right triangle of the gourd. Man, I just got

1480
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: you're on fire with your shapes as descriptions between a gordon,

1481
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: a triangle and Oklahoma. Yeah, very good visual listeners to

1482
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: see where we're walking. So I'm gonna describe what Josh

1483
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: looks like if you imagine lots of ovals and does

1484
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: we we leave the gord we had up We head

1485
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: up in the field number four five. We feel five.

1486
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: So imagine your pan, your Oklahoma pan, and imagine the

1487
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: way this should be oriented from like a northeast west

1488
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: would be if you imagine the northern border of the

1489
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: property is the top of the panhandle, top of your pan,

1490
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: your pot right there. Okay, So field five is like

1491
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: right in the middle of your pot, kind of smack

1492
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: dab in the middle of that pot. So we entered

1493
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: that field. It's low where the swamp is and that

1494
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,799
Speaker 1: steadily rises up a series of hills heading up towards

1495
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: the far eastern property border. And this is where I

1496
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: showed you our first food plot work. We've done so far,

1497
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: what I assump we have tried to do here in

1498
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: the pot, you've got these two large fields. So imagine

1499
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: two long rectangles the top of your pot, and then

1500
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: the second tier down is another field, same size, separated

1501
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: just by a thick fence row. My idea was to

1502
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: create a food plot system there that essentially looks like

1503
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: an hour glass in one of those open fields. Is

1504
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: the top triangle of the hour glass, and then the

1505
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: pinch point of the hour glass is that fence row.

1506
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: Because I thought put a tree stand right there that middle,

1507
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: and then the bottom triangle extends down to the south

1508
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 1: and two field number five. So that was my idea

1509
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: of the food I thought these locations. I thought to

1510
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: put the food plots there because you could they were

1511
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: central enough in those fields, and I thought I could

1512
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: access around the outside edges of the property. Depending on

1513
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 1: when directions stuff I would be able to get this.

1514
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 1: I could still have a food plot in those fields,

1515
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 1: but be far enough away on those edges that if

1516
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: everything was screened properly, I could get in and out

1517
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: and move to a number of different places in the

1518
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: property in early morning or late evening, hopefully if you

1519
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: were in that field without them knowing him. At the

1520
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: same time, I wanted a location that would be far

1521
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 1: enough away from the neighboring property lines that neighbors wouldn't

1522
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: be taking advantage of that food or spooking deer off

1523
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: of that food. And the last thing is I wanted

1524
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: something that would transition deer in a some predictable way

1525
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 1: across the property. And my idea with that setup was

1526
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: that I wanted the edges to be able to move.

1527
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: But I knew there'd be deer bedding in the swamp

1528
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: and along those just in that ridge system that we're

1529
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 1: about to get to. So I also knew there was

1530
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: a crop field to the far north, and there's a

1531
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: crop field to the far south. So I imagine there's

1532
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: two lines of movement. There's the north to south movement

1533
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: coming heading up to feed in one way or heading

1534
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: down to be the other way, and then there'd be

1535
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: this east to west movement from deer in the swamp

1536
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: heading into the food. So I oriented this food plot

1537
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: kind of north south to kind of transition across that,

1538
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: but I could intersect him coming either way. This is

1539
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: my high level idea when I was kind of planning

1540
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: it out. So what I did this spring was I

1541
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 1: went and I tried to do a no till food

1542
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: plat screen planting in June. It failed miserably, so we

1543
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: got about failure on the screen. Me and Josh just

1544
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: went in there the other day and replanted it. Most

1545
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: of that we replanted in a quick growing hybrid sorghum.

1546
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna get. I'm hoping for

1547
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: four or five six ft. Anything will be better than nothing,

1548
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 1: So we're hoping these things will still be screened. I

1549
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: just don't know to what degree. Um. The two triangles

1550
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: of the hour glass are both situated and kind of

1551
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: little balls or shelves in the hill, so it's kind

1552
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,879
Speaker 1: of a low spot in each one of those fields.

1553
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: I thought that would be the best place to place

1554
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: it within there because it'd be a shielded a little

1555
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: bit visually because of the topography. Be those a little

1556
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 1: bit of low spots might have a little bit better moisture. UM.

1557
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: And then lastly, I assumed deer would feel more comfortable

1558
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:30,839
Speaker 1: probably staying in the slightly lower topography a little bit themselves.

1559
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 1: So with then like there's my whole mindset. That's what

1560
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: I've done so far. That's what I was thinking. I

1561
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: kind of outlined that too, and we walked up there today.

1562
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: Walk me through how much of an idiot I am?

1563
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: Or if that sounds good? Well, actually, you know, it's

1564
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: a good idea, and it's a it's a good location

1565
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: the pinch point because of that fence row dividing your

1566
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: pinch point. Super good idea. Um might have a little

1567
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: excess issues depending on the season and how many deer

1568
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 1: are you using that food? Okay, but generally more those

1569
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: deer should be in the the large bells of your

1570
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: hour glass versus being at that pinch point. But it's

1571
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: very good and with screening, those could be great. And

1572
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: I think you said they were gonna each you add

1573
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: up to about an acre apiece, right, So that's all.

1574
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,600
Speaker 1: That's a lot of food for those areas and it

1575
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: and it brings your deer into the core of your

1576
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: property too, that's what I like about. It keeps you

1577
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: away from all your borders. Okay, So so seeing what

1578
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: I had there, if we took all that away. If

1579
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: I didn't, if I hadn't done anything yet, if you

1580
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: just saw those two fields now, or or maybe even

1581
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: all six fields are yours to play with, where would

1582
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,719
Speaker 1: you put your food plots or what would you do differently?

1583
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: I would definitely, you know, food is king, and even

1584
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: though you've got food on the neighbor's property, you know,

1585
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 1: when you have food and you have a great sanctuary

1586
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 1: like you do where deer are going to spend time

1587
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: and call at home, you've got to have a very

1588
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: good food source. And you've got some natural food sources

1589
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: and some eggcorns, some mass crops, and that's good. But

1590
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: it's a short term thing. So I would have looked

1591
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: at very generally the same thing I'd have looked at.

1592
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: Field four and five probably is my ideal locations for

1593
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: large what I called destination food plans, because it was

1594
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: far enough away at the number one, I wouldn't be

1595
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: going walking by them, and I wouldn't be there all

1596
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: that often myself. Then I got to deliberately go in

1597
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: and hunt, and so I you know, I might have

1598
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: done a little bit different shape. I might have done

1599
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: two separate plots and just use that fence row is dividing,

1600
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: but it probably wouldn't have taken very long to hunt

1601
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 1: in there and figure out where that natural north south

1602
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: movement is. And you're probably more familiar with it because

1603
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: you have turkey hunted in there. And I think it's

1604
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: gonna work out real good. I mean, so you were

1605
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: not a dummy. You did a real good job. Well,

1606
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,799
Speaker 1: it might still be dummy for other reasons. It's exactly

1607
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: um yeah, And I think, um, is there anything else? Well,

1608
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: you did recommend one other spot, but would there have

1609
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: been if let's say, if if we because another idea

1610
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: I had was should I shrink those instead of two

1611
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: big triangles to become an hourglass acre each? Should I

1612
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 1: have scattered really small ones throughout, like have a little

1613
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: corner with a little one little corner with a little

1614
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: I didn't ended up not doing that, But I don't know,

1615
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: are there any totally different like shapes or sizes, because

1616
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: we really aren't locked into this, and we could do something,

1617
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, we're regardless of I mean, I'm an irregular

1618
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: shaped guy. I'm not a square in rectangle when it

1619
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: comes to food plots. If I can avoid it when

1620
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: I'm creating them, just because how dear naturally use the

1621
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: edges and things like that. But when you when you're

1622
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: tired for the listeners to see. But when you're on

1623
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: that property and you look at some of the slopes

1624
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: southern exposure, which means they're gonna get beat with a

1625
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: lot of sun, and then other slopes, you go, well,

1626
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: where can you plan a food plot where would retain moisture?

1627
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: And you pick the two best places in both those fields.

1628
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: And you also use the topography to hide those deer

1629
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: to kind of be in a bowl. It's not a

1630
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: deep bowl, but it's enough to hide them. And when

1631
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: you think about access coming up that hill or going

1632
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: down that hill, you'll be able to hide from those deer.

1633
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: I think I think we fought out quite honestly as

1634
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: far as where to put food, because that's that can

1635
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: be your achilles heel. You can be real successful growing food,

1636
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: but if it's in the wrong spot, you can't ever

1637
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: get in and get And that's been like my big

1638
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: stressor trying to like figure out the right way to

1639
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: place it in there to get it and out and

1640
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: and so much of that was originally dependent on the screens,

1641
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: and now we just don't know what how that's going

1642
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: to pan out. But I do think through most of

1643
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: the spots, as I imagine, like walking around those edges

1644
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: and trying to get there's pretty well covered between how

1645
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: tall the vegetation already is and the natural topography like

1646
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: the way you'll admit of the hills. But there's a

1647
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: couple of spots where I see like danger zones, like

1648
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: for example, when you come across the two track across

1649
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: the swamp and you get to that intersection where fields

1650
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: four and five story, and if there's not a good

1651
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: screening cover blocking that those food plots, especially the food

1652
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: plot in four, if they can see right down to

1653
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,480
Speaker 1: us that I'm screwed. You got danger zone. Is there

1654
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 1: anything like we kind of talked about up front with

1655
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: maybe mowing some trails, is there anything that we should

1656
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: think about doing back there that might dictate some movement

1657
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: because too and from those food plots, we may be

1658
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: able to maybe keep them back further instead of up

1659
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 1: front where they may be able to see down. I

1660
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe some micro plots or something that we

1661
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: could do. You had had a couple of corners on

1662
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 1: some of your food plots as well. Here's a nice

1663
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: little bowl in this corner. Yeah, it's kind of close

1664
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: to your neighbors, but if you could screen it, it

1665
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: would be a great place. But a perennial. It's always

1666
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: nice to have some perennials, not always focus on on

1667
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: annuals um But again, you know, you your new landowner,

1668
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna learn a lot of information this year, you know,

1669
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: and you're gonna find out how it is during the season,

1670
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: just really what's going on. But you know, I'm a

1671
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: trail guy. I mean, I'm mo trails to guide dear,

1672
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: whether it's in woods is that I've done hinge cutting

1673
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: and t s I work on, or whether it's early

1674
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: successional growth and even in my soybeans last year when

1675
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: the soybeans get really tall, I mean I mowe these

1676
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: trails and the deer followed them, you know, just like

1677
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 1: they were highways, and it worked out real good. So

1678
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, deer are pretty lazy and they take to

1679
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: those trails really easy. So you know, the trouble is

1680
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 1: getting in and getting out and not not running into

1681
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: those deer into those trails. We we try our best

1682
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: not to have those encounters with deal deer where we're walking,

1683
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, I can't eliminate all of them, but I

1684
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: don't try to plant food where I'm going to walk

1685
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: for access if I've got to get to a stand somewhere,

1686
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to go down trails that are planted

1687
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: in food and that sort of thing. And and you

1688
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: brought up a good point in that I never really

1689
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 1: described fields four and five like we're talking about putting

1690
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: food plant in there. But you gotta remember even the

1691
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: four and five aren't quite as thick as Field one.

1692
01:24:55,200 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: We're still talking I don't know, belly high tall all

1693
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 1: weed growth like almost to the entire field. So it's

1694
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: not even like you're planting something. And when I when

1695
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: I say a field, I think a lot of people

1696
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 1: think like a clover field. It's not open. It's it's

1697
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: like you're you're carving in a little opening into what's

1698
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: eventually going to be hopefully shoulder tall walls of vegetation.

1699
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 1: You're gonna have so much edge once you create those

1700
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: food plots, and those deer are gonna feel very safe

1701
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: in there. So so even though you didn't have your

1702
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: screen workout here, there's a lot of good things are

1703
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: gonna happen because you're carving into something chest high, and

1704
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: I think the big, the big. I feel really good

1705
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: about how it's gonna look through October. But once the

1706
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: leaves I'll come down that stuff dies. That'll be my

1707
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 1: big question mark is at what point or how well

1708
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: does it still in the first heavy wet snow is

1709
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: really going to be going to show what's going on.

1710
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: And that's gonna be I think, well, we'll see, Okay,

1711
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: here's where our dangers new danger zones are, or this

1712
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 1: is how dear behavior is going to change. Um. Another

1713
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: thing we talked about when we were back there, excuse me,

1714
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: was mock scrape locations, either real scrapes or mock scrapes.

1715
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 1: There's a lot, least at lots of great natural edge

1716
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: already where there's gonna be natural looking branches. Deer are

1717
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: going to be naturally moving through they're making scrapes. But

1718
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: then one of the questions I had for you was,

1719
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, given how open it is a lot of

1720
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 1: relatively open it is in places, um, should I be

1721
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: putting in more scrape trees or more mock scrapes different

1722
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: things to to move dear kind of the direction I

1723
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: want them to or stop them in the places that

1724
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: I want them to. There's lots of opportunities for that

1725
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: if we wanted to, um, what are your thoughts on

1726
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: all that? Well, you know when it comes to mock

1727
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 1: scrapes and whether it's limbs that you pull down and

1728
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: the grape vines, I guess there's ropes you can buy online.

1729
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 1: There's all these different methods and and they all work,

1730
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, relatively well. But it really is about location.

1731
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: I seldom put a put a mock scrape somewhere to

1732
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 1: change dear movement. All I'm really trying to do is

1733
01:26:55,680 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 1: concentrate and slow down, dear. So it's got number one.

1734
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: It's got to be the location. If you've got a

1735
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: location where there is frequent deer activity, and that could

1736
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: be you know, all those and fauns and box of

1737
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: different age classes, then having a mock scrape in there

1738
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: is going to buy you more time, going to have

1739
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: more activity. And it becomes that place at that mature

1740
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: buck all of a sudden goes and either scent checks down,

1741
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 1: gets downwind of it, or visually goes up to it

1742
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: and works it because of all the other deer that

1743
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 1: leave their calling cards there. And I've watched that change

1744
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: with you know, big time with areas where I didn't

1745
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: have the scrapes and there was just one natural one,

1746
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: and I've put three or four mox scrapes in there.

1747
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: Now I got mature bucks in there during daylight because

1748
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: they're busy keeping track of Big Louis. You've got a

1749
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:46,879
Speaker 1: somewhat unique, uh way of doing mock scrapes with sometimes

1750
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: hanging a rope or cord and some vines and stuff.

1751
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 1: Can you describe how you do that set up? So

1752
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: let's say you're in a some either the trees are

1753
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: too small or the timbers big and mature, and there's

1754
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: nothing in the right size for you to pull a

1755
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: limb down or attach something too. But you might have

1756
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: two oak trees or walnut and oak tree that are

1757
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 1: say eighteen inch diameter sixty foot trees, and they're twenty

1758
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: yards apart. You can run two strands of wire, two

1759
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: strands of rope fairly tight one another, and those have

1760
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: to be up in the air, probably liking at six

1761
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: to seven foot. And then what I use is you know,

1762
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: plastic electrical tized to either put oak limbs, basswood limbs,

1763
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: or grape vines now usually put at least two and

1764
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: dangle them and tie them on on both pieces of

1765
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: wire so that they have they're fairly ridge in. The

1766
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: deer can have some resistance and leave their scent on them.

1767
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: And if they're in the right location, usually where one

1768
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: or two trails or three trails converge or cross, you're

1769
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of activity. Um, the ground should

1770
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: be fairly level, it should be open enough, open enough understory,

1771
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: not be so darn thick that they can't get in

1772
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 1: there and move. I mean, it's got to be open.

1773
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: If you've watched any area where deer scrape, they aren't

1774
01:28:58,040 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: gonna do it in a real tight quarters. They've got

1775
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: to have openings and some areas where they can move.

1776
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 1: But I've had real good luck doing that with him.

1777
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: And then also, you know, just pulling a limb down

1778
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: at the right place on the edge of a food

1779
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: plot or a travel corridor, attaching a grape vine to

1780
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: a limb with some wire, just having an arch down

1781
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: and be in the right location from literally chest a

1782
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: shoulder high in an area and it works real good. Yeah,

1783
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: I feel like there's because of how much edge on

1784
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 1: this farm there is, I feel like there's a great

1785
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: opportunity for some smart mox scrapes you do. And again

1786
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: you got to think about where can I place those

1787
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: so that when I'm accessing certain stands I'm not visually,

1788
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 1: I can't be seen. So you gotta always think visual,

1789
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, can if I can see it, the deer

1790
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: can see me. And that's a thing, especially when, especially

1791
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: later in the season, have be thinking about that often. UM.

1792
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 1: Food plot diversity. What I was actually planning. I told

1793
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: you my idea this year was to try to have

1794
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: a diverse blend of things, um, both from like a

1795
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: soil trying to build up that soil, trying to do

1796
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 1: some things that're gonna help from a soil standpoint, but

1797
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,719
Speaker 1: then also provide a diverse, diverse buffet that will last,

1798
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, all through the season and then continue on

1799
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 1: into the spring and smother weeds and then I can

1800
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: replant some stuff in there, trying to develop us us

1801
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: not cycle, but a rotation that will work well. So,

1802
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: as I described to you, I've got a blend of

1803
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Brassica's variety of turn ups, greens, radishes, then some annual clovers,

1804
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 1: some winter wheats, some oats, some cereal rye that kind

1805
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 1: of Smorgasport approach is that I'm trying this year. I've

1806
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: not I've never gone that diverse before. I've usually done

1807
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 1: like strips of Braska's strips of boats. It's worked great.

1808
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: But I'm trying this new deal. Uh thoughts on that,

1809
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've done both. I've done the strips

1810
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: individual strips over the years. I've combined the more just

1811
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: to basically have different diversity because one product is more

1812
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 1: attractive at this time of the year, and two weeks

1813
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 1: later now the oats are right and around the oats.

1814
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to do is keep er in

1815
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: the same exact field, feeding in the same locations. They're

1816
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 1: just feeding on different species. And I'm a I'm a

1817
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 1: blended mixed guy. I like it. I think what you

1818
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: just told me is really good. Those annual clovers are

1819
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 1: very nice. I've had really good luck with your crimson

1820
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 1: clover and that that type. And you know, not only uh,

1821
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: not only is it awesome in the fall, but in

1822
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 1: your spring. I know you're a turkey hunter, that crimson

1823
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: clover comes back up and the spring the deer, not

1824
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: only deer, but your turkeys will be in there. They'll

1825
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: be strutting turkeys will be picking on it. You know,

1826
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: it's the first place for bugs to show up because

1827
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: it it blooms pretty early in the season. But yeah,

1828
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good idea. But you can

1829
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: only do that for so many years, and then you

1830
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: want to move into something else. So always rotate, and

1831
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: ultimately you want some you want some perennials, some perennial

1832
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: clovers and chickery. And I'm you know, I use that

1833
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: that very high level checker clover because I have found it.

1834
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 1: The box just go nuts over it. They just feed themselves.

1835
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 1: So I've got you've seen no small little plots and

1836
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 1: you you know, it's just amazing to see how many

1837
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: bucks feed and no small chickery plots all fall along. Interesting.

1838
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 1: I never I've actually never planned chickery, never experienced it.

1839
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 1: So I've got one right now. It's a little over

1840
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: an acre and there are you know, not only are

1841
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 1: the doors and falls, but there's a lot of bucks

1842
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 1: in it. Interesting. They're hitting it pretty hard. So this

1843
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: takes us sounds like our food plot plan is is Okay,

1844
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna test it out and see how things work

1845
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 1: with access and exit. That'll be our like touch and

1846
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 1: go situation. I think that's like a big crux of

1847
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 1: the whole season, is how we're gonna be able to

1848
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: get in and out of there. If we can get

1849
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 1: away with it, we can pull it off. I think

1850
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: we'll be aholdsome deer. I think we'll have some success.

1851
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 1: If we're blowing deer out every time. Then so we're

1852
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: changing things up five yards off the road, Josh will

1853
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: be safe on the road. And then if there's any

1854
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: advice I can tell you, I've seen when it comes

1855
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: to paying attention to details. Planning your food plots is

1856
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 1: where you need to pay attention to details. You've done

1857
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: your soil test. You know you know where things set,

1858
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: so plant the right the right blends. Take the time

1859
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: to eliminate competition as just as you can, UM, because

1860
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 1: without doing that it'll be a failure. And you said

1861
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: in most of those fields, especially fields four and five

1862
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: heavy and Mare's tail, which is tough to deal with,

1863
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: invasive weed that in many places developing glycos fate resistance,

1864
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: the round up resistance. UM, your thoughts for dealing with

1865
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 1: that were, well, you know, uh too, for d is

1866
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: a broadly selective and we'll kill Mary's tale very well

1867
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 1: regardless of the age. And the trouble with glyci fate

1868
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 1: a round up is, they say, and I've experienced it.

1869
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: When your mayor's tail starts getting eight ten inches tall,

1870
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 1: it's very hard to kill and and sometimes you can

1871
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 1: hit it. It It will turn yellow, but it just won't die.

1872
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 1: The trouble with using two four D to kill it.

1873
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,520
Speaker 1: At this time of the years, you will get some residual,

1874
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: which means it it re sides in the soil. You

1875
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: can put seed in the ground. It will german and

1876
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: it will come up and grow a little bit and die.

1877
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: If it happens to be a broad leaf. Now it

1878
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't bother any of your grains, but it would bother

1879
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 1: your chicken eas and your brassicas and or and your

1880
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: annual clover too, So you might have a waiting game.

1881
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 1: So I guess the sooner you can get in there

1882
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 1: and all those openings, or just going there first and

1883
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: spray that marrisdale and try and kill it, but realize

1884
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna have about two weeks as long as you

1885
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: follow the label. What the label tells you know more

1886
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 1: is not follow that label, So that puts you you

1887
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: know you might be looking at the third week of

1888
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: August or later before you plant. That's not too late

1889
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,720
Speaker 1: for your grains. And and sure you're not gonna get

1890
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 1: huge brassicas, but you can go with kale and rapes

1891
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 1: and things like that and still have a whole bunch

1892
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 1: of forage. Or the other alternative would be to mow

1893
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 1: it all right now and spray with glyph. Just mow

1894
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 1: it and spray with gly and then get your seed

1895
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 1: in the ground and just take what you go. See.

1896
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 1: My issue is that it's just a funky situation. I

1897
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 1: don't have my mower yet, so I can't mow right

1898
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: now to do that. I could spray with two four

1899
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 1: D right now, but I wanna I don't want to

1900
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 1: film until I've got like you know, the guys that

1901
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: are helping us, we're trying to film it. So I'm

1902
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: trying to line up the timing of like I don't know,

1903
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: I might have to do the we might need to

1904
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 1: do the mowing and the glyph because I could do

1905
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: that all one day and we're not gonna have the

1906
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: mower for like a week. But at that point I

1907
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 1: can mow, I could spray, and then we could plant

1908
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 1: the next day. If we wanted maybe just knock call

1909
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: out in one day or two, that's probably gonna be

1910
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 1: what I meant to do. Yeah, you can go right

1911
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 1: behind gly and plant and you're gonna be using a

1912
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: drill to Yeah, you're in good shape. Knock on wood.

1913
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 1: If somehow that falls through, then I do. I'm calling you,

1914
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 1: Jake and trying to see what kind of magic you

1915
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 1: can pull out of the area. Man um. But we're

1916
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: in field four. No for phill five or at the

1917
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: bottom of the hour glass. There's another gap in the

1918
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 1: thick brush east ence rose and now okay, we're let's

1919
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: look at our pot again. We're holding our Oklahoma pot.

1920
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 1: We've been in the middle of the pot. Now we're

1921
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: about to enter the bottom of the pot. The bottom

1922
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: of the bottom of the pot. Let's envision if you're

1923
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 1: looking at your pot, you look at the bottom. Now

1924
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 1: put a line through it vertically to split that bottom

1925
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 1: portion of the pot. The left side of the bottom

1926
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 1: of pot is this big brushy ridge system, which we'll

1927
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 1: talk about. The right side of that pot is another field.

1928
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 1: It's field six. Let's talk about the field six first,

1929
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 1: and then we'll move to the ridge system. Last, so

1930
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: Field six is um blocked from the food plus system

1931
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 1: by another one of those brushy tree rose friends rows.

1932
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: And then there's a small gap, and that small gap

1933
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: in the fencer I planted in a screen that actually

1934
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: did come in pretty easy, pretty good. So I think

1935
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 1: by the time hunting hunting season comes through, that gap

1936
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: will be mostly blocked by that screen. So visually, dear

1937
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 1: in field six at the bottom of the pot, they're

1938
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 1: not going to be able to see much that's going

1939
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: on the main food plus systems. So kind of nicely

1940
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 1: keeps that back section secluded Field six. I originally had

1941
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: this idea Jake, and I told you this earlier today,

1942
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 1: but we'll spell it out again. This is the very

1943
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: farthest point on the property from my access, so it's

1944
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 1: the hardest spot to get to without blowing stuff up.

1945
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: It also is right next to a neighboring property owner

1946
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: that I know hunts that has a tree stands right

1947
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: in the edge, has trail cameras right in the edge.

1948
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 1: Um so, and it also is adjacent to that rich

1949
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: system I just talked to you that had lots of

1950
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: great betting and habitat just looked really great. So I

1951
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 1: thought to myself, maybe I should just leave field six untouched,

1952
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 1: make it part of the sanctuary because it's hard to

1953
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 1: get to anyways. If that all, if that grew up

1954
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:49,719
Speaker 1: into great, you know, head high vegetation this summer, and

1955
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 1: I also thought I'll plant some some kind of strips

1956
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 1: of winding screen cover. They're just to break it up

1957
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 1: more and add some more of structure and stuff that man,

1958
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 1: that could be awesome additional betting sanctuary or whatever visually

1959
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 1: will block the neighbor that hunts on the edge from

1960
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,639
Speaker 1: the rest of the property. That was my idea coming

1961
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 1: into the summer. Did all that got back from our

1962
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 1: western trip in August, went out there and looked at it.

1963
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,560
Speaker 1: The screens failed. The vegetation itself throughout most of the

1964
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 1: field did not grow very tall at all. I mean

1965
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 1: some places only knee high. Um, So it didn't really

1966
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: achieve much at all of what I originally thought it would.

1967
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 1: That's the circumstance we have known. That's what you saw. Um.

1968
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 1: Given what you're seeing now, can you walk us through

1969
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: your recommendations for what to do with this maybe three

1970
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: acre field ish of maybe knee high to thigh high

1971
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: marriage tale and stuff. So clearly, um it looked like

1972
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: it was gravelly sandy soil, and that pretty much probably

1973
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 1: explains why everything is low to the ground. You know,

1974
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:52,560
Speaker 1: no organic manner, well drained, not holding any moisture, less nutrients,

1975
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 1: so you're just not getting the spectacular growth like you're

1976
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 1: getting the other fields. So because of that, you know,

1977
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: you don't even want think about trying to grow anything

1978
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 1: in there because of the soil building that's ahead of you.

1979
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 1: If you were here for twenty years, that'd be one thing.

1980
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 1: But uh, you could though go in there, uh and

1981
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: do some herbicide treatment and prepare it for warm season

1982
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 1: grasses and probably get some really in create sanctuary, and

1983
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 1: then move towards the north side of that, next to

1984
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 1: that fence roll that divides field six and deal field five,

1985
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: and put a small little food plot in that low

1986
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: area that parallels that fence role. And not that you'd

1987
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 1: ever you might put one stand down in there, but

1988
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 1: it would just be a great attraction and it would

1989
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: hold more dear farther away from your neighbor. Not your

1990
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: neighbor is gonna kill some deer. He's gonna see some deer.

1991
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just all part of the deal. He's

1992
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: got a big egg field right over there, but it

1993
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:46,320
Speaker 1: would create it would answer the problem for you for

1994
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,759
Speaker 1: taking that field and doing something strategic with it, turning

1995
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 1: it into bedding. You know, most of the time around

1996
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 1: your year three year switch grass, big blue stems going

1997
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: to do pretty good. And I know your blue stems

1998
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: gonna grow well because you've got some growing different places.

1999
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: They're already talk about the idea of mixing in some

2000
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 1: other stuff with your warm season grasses to get some

2001
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 1: better height and cover in the first couple of years

2002
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 1: before your grasses reached U technique I tried several years ago.

2003
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: I've shared it with a number of different clients and

2004
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 1: friends of mine, And that is when you're planning your

2005
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 1: warm season grasses, you plan them at the regular rate

2006
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna plant them, and then you come in and

2007
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:30,240
Speaker 1: you replant over the top of them with Sudan sorghum grass,

2008
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 1: which is very inexpensive. It's fairly thin. It doesn't stand

2009
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: up to snow and wind and rain and ice like

2010
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 1: these big hybrid sorghums in Egyptian wheat. But it creates

2011
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 1: a great cover and it allows your warm season grasses

2012
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:46,560
Speaker 1: to not have any other competition other than that Sudan grass.

2013
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: So your second year of switch grass, big blue stem

2014
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 1: indian grass that you have that you're growing will come

2015
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 1: up really good and not not fight the broad leaf

2016
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 1: like the Mayor's tail and the golden rod and pigweed,

2017
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:02,560
Speaker 1: and it's going in all the other fields. And the

2018
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 1: great thing is the first year you've got eight feet

2019
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 1: of cover. Yeah, I like that, and you get a

2020
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,719
Speaker 1: real good feel for how you can approach and things

2021
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: you can do. And carving out that little food plot

2022
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,679
Speaker 1: down along that fence row. And you know, if I

2023
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 1: if I was to plant that down in front where

2024
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 1: your access is, you can probably hide yourself from that

2025
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 1: small little food plot. So it's worked out real good.

2026
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 1: Sure you've got some debris the second year, the dead

2027
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 1: sorghum goes through the frost, it's gonna lay on the ground.

2028
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 1: But that but the switch grass and blue stem or

2029
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 1: whatever it is you plant, it's going to come up

2030
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 1: through there and just really do well. And I've seen

2031
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 1: year to four foot switch grass grown. Now can you

2032
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:42,680
Speaker 1: walk through just how to plant warm season grass like,

2033
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 1: because that's a little bit of process right, it's there,

2034
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: and the most important thing to remember about warm season grasses.

2035
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,640
Speaker 1: They do not like competition, so it's all about preparation,

2036
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 1: and it's kill and kill and kill, and you what

2037
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 1: your goal is to try and remove the existing seed

2038
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 1: bank whatever is banked in that soil. There are seeds

2039
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: that are not German eating, but will anytime that soil

2040
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 1: is disturbed, something German eats. No, I don't care if

2041
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 1: it's a drill, because the drill still is going in

2042
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 1: there with cutters and opening a gap, put a seed down,

2043
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 1: covering it back up, but you're still disturbing it. So

2044
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:20,600
Speaker 1: the one thing I learned with warm season grasses is preparation.

2045
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 1: And a lot of guys follow the midsummer spray all

2046
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 1: the way through falls, where in the fall you've got

2047
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 1: this bare open field with absolutely no pains me. And

2048
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 1: it pains me to go through that process. But then

2049
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: you can go in there in the spring with zero competition,

2050
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 1: put in your seed and some guy's frost seed and

2051
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 1: things like that as well. So you think the best

2052
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 1: thing to do would be actually going there and start

2053
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 1: spraying now, and so it'll be dead this fall if

2054
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 1: you If you want a really good looking stand of

2055
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 1: warm season grass, is the best thing you can do

2056
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,000
Speaker 1: is start killing now, and you do too sprays this year,

2057
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: you do one now, probably come back to one in

2058
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 1: mid September, more towards October. They say, that's the most

2059
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: beneficial kill you can have out of the entire season,

2060
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: is doing that kill. So what if I don't care

2061
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 1: about looks, I'm all about personality. What happens, And you're

2062
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 1: just like me, what I was like, I can't give

2063
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 1: that up if I cover, What if I just spray

2064
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 1: in the spring? Yeah, and you're gonna you'll have multiple

2065
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 1: springs in the spring, and often one it's done. As

2066
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,759
Speaker 1: you spray, let it come up, turn green, spray again.

2067
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 1: Then a light disc, say two inch disc. Just disturb

2068
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 1: the soil. And your goal was to disturb it, open

2069
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: up that seed bank, make it German eight, let it

2070
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 1: get up for spray it again, same thing, kill, give

2071
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 1: it another and and that will get you to late

2072
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: June early July planting time. And when I did mine,

2073
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 1: that was four kills, and I planned on the last

2074
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 1: day of June. And now if you saw my my

2075
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,560
Speaker 1: fields are just and they're eight feet tall and the

2076
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,799
Speaker 1: air beautiful. I did burn this ring and had always

2077
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:04,719
Speaker 1: enhances it the following year. So okay, So in the spring,

2078
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: I do this multiple kill, let come back spray, Let

2079
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:12,640
Speaker 1: it come back lightly disc now it comes back kill it.

2080
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 1: It gets me to late June or the July. We

2081
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:16,759
Speaker 1: drill in all of our warm season grasses. In July,

2082
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 1: I overseed with some sedan sorghum grass or sorghum? Was

2083
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 1: it sort of sudan? So I think it's I always

2084
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: gonna make. It's been a long time since I bought it,

2085
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 1: so I oversee it with that that first year you're

2086
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 1: telling me I could have eight foot talls sedan grass

2087
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 1: plus three ft tall switch grass. Yeah, that's what I had.

2088
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 1: I like that old pictures of mine when I first

2089
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: did mine, I wish I had done my entire fifteen

2090
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 1: acres that way. Only did just a couple of acres

2091
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: that way. I bet you that'd be that'd be really nice.

2092
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 1: And even even portions of Field three, the one that's

2093
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 1: close to that house there that's not it's very similar

2094
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 1: fields sick lock that area completely off. That could be

2095
01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 1: pretty cool and warm season grasses like that. Um okay,

2096
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,679
Speaker 1: And again that's a completely diverse type of habitat. Does

2097
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 1: love it for fawning in the spring. It's great running

2098
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: cover and it's very random. You know. The only way

2099
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: it becomes defined is if you go in your motrails

2100
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna follow trail through that warm season grass.

2101
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 1: But like, what I think would be cool is if

2102
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: we were to have that, we'd have several fields with

2103
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,639
Speaker 1: warm season grass. We have several fields with a very

2104
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:27,599
Speaker 1: diverse blend of big weed, poke weed, golden rod, some

2105
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 1: maryor's tail. There might be some things we can do

2106
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: to manage that, maybe do some selective springs, or I

2107
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe eventually we'll want to do a prescribe

2108
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 1: burn through some of those and get it to regrow um.

2109
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 1: And then so you have that kind of habitat, you

2110
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,280
Speaker 1: have the warm season grass habitat, you have some wetland habitat.

2111
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: You'll have all I mean, there's a whole slew of

2112
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:47,599
Speaker 1: different things in that sanctuary swamp. You saw all sorts

2113
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 1: of different types of vegetation in there, and then you know,

2114
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 1: three acres of food. Then we've got these brushy fence

2115
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 1: rows full of lots of red oaks. It's got acorns, um.

2116
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 1: We found some other soft mass in the next look cation,

2117
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna walk to um. So it's a pretty nice, diverse,

2118
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 1: blended habitat across this front. And one of the best

2119
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 1: things is every every next field we go to is

2120
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 1: all that additional edge. Man, there's a lot of edge

2121
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:17,679
Speaker 1: on that farm. And all animals were like, especially deer,

2122
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,599
Speaker 1: especially deer a key in on edge. They really do.

2123
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:23,679
Speaker 1: So we're at the bottom right corner of our pot,

2124
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 1: which was the field number six. We're gonna go to

2125
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 1: the bottom left section of the pot, which is the

2126
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 1: ridge system, which is the taj mahal of the farm.

2127
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 1: I think in certain ways this was like when when

2128
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 1: we arrived at the property, I asked, you, like, when

2129
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 1: you see the spot you like the very most, Let's

2130
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,799
Speaker 1: spend spend some extra time there and walk through exactly

2131
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: how you set it up, how you hunted, what your

2132
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,160
Speaker 1: thoughts are. And I said to Josh, I bet you

2133
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 1: I know the spot and this is the things. Like

2134
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: everyone of my friends that I walked through and check

2135
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 1: it out, we're all like, ah, this looks like something

2136
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:03,639
Speaker 1: you see, you know, the TV show. So I'll outline

2137
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 1: like the high level of what it is, and then

2138
01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 1: I want to you know, hear some more of your

2139
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: thoughts on what you like about it. But basically, if

2140
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,640
Speaker 1: you imagine these fields we have been been describing to

2141
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 1: you that are in the pot part of the property.

2142
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 1: So this is the far eastern side of the property,

2143
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: fields four or five and six. Most of those fields

2144
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 1: are up high, and then again it drops down into

2145
01:47:25,080 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the property, which is where our big

2146
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 1: swamp is. Going from field six the bottom right of

2147
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 1: our products, it goes down to the swamp and there's

2148
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 1: this ridge system that connects it. And that ridge system

2149
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 1: is kind of blend of tall grasses, cedars, um, there's

2150
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of buck thorn that you talked about, there's

2151
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 1: some autumn olive or something um scattered other small treeze

2152
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:58,679
Speaker 1: I mean, just a whole lot of different cover types.

2153
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: And there were these little openings at the openings um.

2154
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 1: When I walked in the first time and you said,

2155
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:05,600
Speaker 1: it's funny, you said the exact same thing, said, this

2156
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 1: looks like something you see like on a dreary video

2157
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: with all these scattered tree, cedars and grasses, and just

2158
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: like looks bucky. And when I got in there in March,

2159
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 1: I remember going in anything looking underneath these cedars, and

2160
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: there's just scrapes around all of them. All this, all

2161
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: these old seater treos are just rubbed up from every

2162
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:27,719
Speaker 1: year getting um. And then we went in there today,

2163
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 1: walked me through what you saw when walked in there,

2164
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 1: what you thought about this whole little ridge system. So

2165
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 1: as we entered and there was like an old tractor

2166
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 1: gap or something. You went in there, and the first

2167
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 1: thing I noticed was the warm season glasses, you know

2168
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 1: they were. There was big blue stem and it was

2169
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 1: all seven eight ft tall, and it just looked beautiful

2170
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:46,559
Speaker 1: in there. And as soon as I got into the opening,

2171
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:48,680
Speaker 1: the first thing I noticed, I said, holy smokes, you

2172
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:51,640
Speaker 1: got a pear tree right here. And there was a

2173
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,360
Speaker 1: pair pretty loaded with pears, not a big pair, but

2174
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:57,679
Speaker 1: i'm eight ten inch diameter, probably something twenty five years old.

2175
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:00,439
Speaker 1: Well man of mass tree right there and and dear

2176
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: love pairs. And then fifteen yards uh west of it

2177
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 1: was a really nice red oak loaded with acorns and

2178
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:12,240
Speaker 1: warm season grasses six seven ft tall all the way

2179
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: around it, but it was slowly dropping down towards your swamp.

2180
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 1: And then we came to a large cedar tree had

2181
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 1: last year's big rubs on it, and there was three

2182
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 1: well used beds all the way around underneath those overhanging limbs,

2183
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 1: and I would imagine based on time of day and

2184
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:33,519
Speaker 1: wind direction, you got one lone deer bedding in there,

2185
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 1: and it just it was a big deer. It was

2186
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 1: all flattened out. It's being used a lot, probably I

2187
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 1: would guess, yeah, probably a buck laying in there, and

2188
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,720
Speaker 1: you had some you had some mixed cherry trees in

2189
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,760
Speaker 1: there was some autumnotives down at the base, and a

2190
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:49,400
Speaker 1: little buck more in here and there that kind of

2191
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 1: broke it up and really compartmentalized it. But there was

2192
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 1: two definite lines of movement in there, and and it

2193
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,760
Speaker 1: just looked like depending on the time of the year

2194
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 1: in the wind, there's two places I would hang stands

2195
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 1: one in particular. And if you can't have an encounter here,

2196
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 1: something's wrong because the signs there, there's historic sign from

2197
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:11,559
Speaker 1: year after year before with all these old rubs. You know,

2198
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 1: that's that's the action spot. So what's the situation when

2199
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: you would hunt that walk me through, I would hunt that.

2200
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 1: I would definitely wait for that late October early November

2201
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 1: pre rut time period seeking phase, and that would be

2202
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 1: myself post cold front high pressure, so you're gonna have

2203
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: a northwest wind, north wind home. I'm gonna go in

2204
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 1: the morning, I'm gonna plan on hunting all day. I'm

2205
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna go in there. I'm gonna stay all day or

2206
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 1: until i'm killing. And we're thinking, you're thinking, these deer

2207
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 1: doing what they're doing, a lot of cruising, there's there's

2208
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 1: there's socialization because there's rubs and scrapes, so you probably

2209
01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 1: sometimes have different blocks of different age classes kind of

2210
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, look at me, you know, man, I'm I'm

2211
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm I'm big boy on campus. You know,

2212
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:00,679
Speaker 1: my auntler's a bigger in near a sort of thing.

2213
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,919
Speaker 1: A lot of scraping, less scent communication because of the scraping,

2214
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 1: and then just that incredible cover and the way that

2215
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 1: was compartmentalized everything from the warm season grasses, the buckthorn,

2216
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:14,679
Speaker 1: the autumn alive. There's not one spot there that deer

2217
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:16,720
Speaker 1: can see a whole lot farther in about twenty to

2218
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 1: thirty yards in any direction. But it had nooks and

2219
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 1: crannies and a lot of edge, and I think with

2220
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 1: the with the slope, uh, it makes for great betting

2221
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 1: for the afternoon. I think it's probably very good. From

2222
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:32,600
Speaker 1: a scent wind anything out of the west and southwest

2223
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:35,760
Speaker 1: deer can enter regardless of the end and sent check

2224
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 1: that and you would want do you think the smartest

2225
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,600
Speaker 1: way to hunt that would be the primarily hunt with

2226
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 1: your wind blowing back behind you over the dead field.

2227
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 1: So you're gonna try to get yourself down in the

2228
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:50,680
Speaker 1: southeast corner of that area, get yourself one of those

2229
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 1: bigger trees, use cover to hide yourself, yep. So that

2230
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: bucks will be entering and moving their goals to get

2231
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 1: down to that southeast end and use their nose to

2232
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 1: send check everything from does to competition. And they're gonna

2233
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 1: rub and scrape while you're there too. That's the cool part,

2234
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 1: you know. You may it may antagonize you to watch

2235
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:10,839
Speaker 1: a deer for an hour before you can get a shot,

2236
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, which is really tough. Okay, let me let

2237
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 1: me I want to back up for a second. Well,

2238
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 1: it ties into this. How would planning warm season grasses

2239
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:25,639
Speaker 1: in that backfield affect how you would hunt that spot.

2240
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't that particular spot because of the cedars, because

2241
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:33,920
Speaker 1: of that slope is unique for what it is. I

2242
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 1: think those warm season grasses behind us in field six

2243
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:40,719
Speaker 1: would not change how that gets used. It's just another

2244
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:44,040
Speaker 1: place for especially does does really like those warm season

2245
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:46,679
Speaker 1: grasses for putting, you know, putting their fawns in there

2246
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:48,760
Speaker 1: in the spring. And how I'm not gonna say there

2247
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 1: isn't some reading activity that will take place in there,

2248
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 1: but that you know, you're focus, you know, and this

2249
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 1: is primarily all bow hunting for you, right so you

2250
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:00,640
Speaker 1: know our shots are short, So whatever is going on

2251
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 1: sixty yards behind you, who cares? Yeah, I just want

2252
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 1: the shirt. Like if we wanted to blow the wind

2253
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 1: back over that dead field right now as a few start,

2254
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 1: and it's just gonna cut you know, the way that

2255
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 1: tree that we that we looked at not a whole

2256
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 1: lot of years scent with a northwest wind is gonna

2257
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:18,200
Speaker 1: end up in that field. You're just gonna go across

2258
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:21,600
Speaker 1: that one corner heading towards the neighbors and maybe you

2259
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: take that corner, don't put any warm season grass right there,

2260
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 1: kind of leave it open. I think it's a good

2261
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 1: it's a good set up that early November, right conditions

2262
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:34,639
Speaker 1: set there and big boys got a cruise through, definitely,

2263
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,080
Speaker 1: and it was you know. I mean, I saw some

2264
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,719
Speaker 1: rubs on different cedar trees. It just look it's trying

2265
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:40,840
Speaker 1: to heal. I'd say for the last ten years those

2266
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:43,679
Speaker 1: trees have been rubbed. So that's a really good sign.

2267
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 1: That tells me the big boys cruise through there. Off,

2268
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 1: that was the deal. That was the deal maker for me.

2269
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: When I walked into that section, it was like the

2270
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:52,560
Speaker 1: last part of the property I got to and I

2271
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:55,639
Speaker 1: stepped into the edge there and just my jaw kind

2272
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:58,680
Speaker 1: of dropped. I was like, oh, yes, yeah, you saw that.

2273
01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 1: You said it all works now at all. Yeah, everything

2274
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:03,000
Speaker 1: I've been seeing was getting me more and more excited

2275
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 1: than I got into that and like, yeah, this is

2276
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 1: this is cool. So that's the basic gist of the property,

2277
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:11,759
Speaker 1: and that's the basic gist of kind of your thoughts

2278
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 1: that are seeing what we saw. Um. So when we

2279
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:17,000
Speaker 1: when we got done with it all we did we

2280
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 1: did a little more of a circle around. You saw

2281
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,680
Speaker 1: more field four, but essentially just looking at where the

2282
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 1: food plus system was, walked on that edge, seeing what's

2283
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:27,680
Speaker 1: on the neighbors and whatnot. Um, after having seen it

2284
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 1: all now thought through or heard through our ideas, thought

2285
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: through your own ideas, Um, can you give me a

2286
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: couple of like your big two dues or like if

2287
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: we were if if you would walk the property and

2288
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 1: we're like a paying client and you're gonna say, hey,

2289
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 1: this is a couple of things you can do to

2290
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 1: make this better. Would a couple of those things be

2291
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, the one thing you don't have on that

2292
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 1: property is win or thermal cover. Yeah, and that's a

2293
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, look at last winter we had gosh,

2294
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 1: how many days at twenty below zero? So white tails

2295
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 1: are looking for a place to get out of the

2296
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 1: wind and stay one. So, uh, if you were paying

2297
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 1: client and you're gonna hang on to this for the

2298
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 1: next forty years, instead of warm season grasses and field six,

2299
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 1: I'd say put some white spruce and Norway spruce in

2300
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: there and turn that into a conifer sanctuary, and boy,

2301
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:19,839
Speaker 1: would you have a place to find ships. Would be awesome.

2302
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,040
Speaker 1: It is, and it's a it's an investment in time,

2303
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 1: it really is. And you're you know, trees are dying.

2304
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 1: It just part of the life. You're always replacing them.

2305
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:33,600
Speaker 1: But ten fifteen years down the road and everything now

2306
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 1: is ten twelve ft tall, you're gonna now you're gonna

2307
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 1: the area that we said is, oh man, look look

2308
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 1: at this spot. Now you're going to create another one

2309
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 1: in there. You're gonna have a little opening because you're

2310
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 1: gonna plant those trees instead of in rows. I always

2311
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 1: recommend doing it in a more random pattern, which is

2312
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,560
Speaker 1: more like nature. So you'll have some little openings that

2313
01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 1: will show up in there, and you'll have another spot

2314
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:56,760
Speaker 1: that you can throw a stand in and have that. Well, Okay,

2315
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:58,680
Speaker 1: it didn't work real good over here. This morning, I'll

2316
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 1: go over here. I'll hunt this one to killing there.

2317
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:05,640
Speaker 1: And although I still don't, I don't think you're gonna

2318
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:09,080
Speaker 1: mess that one spot up too bad, do right right?

2319
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 1: I see you killing something pretty good, I hope. So

2320
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 1: I add some thermo cover, so that's really important to

2321
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,840
Speaker 1: have some thermal cover. And then as the years go by,

2322
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 1: because I really don't have a good handle on your

2323
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 1: deer density, you had some brows lines that were obvious,

2324
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:27,960
Speaker 1: so there may be more deer there than I think.

2325
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 1: But as you grow food, one thing that happens is

2326
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 1: you concentrate deer. So maybe you're two and three, you

2327
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Speaker 1: have more miles to feed, so you might have to

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01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:39,240
Speaker 1: look at another location that you're going to just stay

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01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 1: away from and you're just gonna grow food. You're not

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01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna hunt it. It's just all about producing food. And

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01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:48,520
Speaker 1: then the takeaway in any of your dry ground where

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01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:52,280
Speaker 1: you've got autumnile, buck thorn, a combination of buck brush,

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01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:56,160
Speaker 1: all the stuff around the edges of your you're sanctuary swamp.

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01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 1: Get in and clear those trails and open up locations

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01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 1: so dear can move and cut some trees here and

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Speaker 1: there to get some early successional girls, so you can

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01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:08,240
Speaker 1: get young cherries, young young maples, young oaks coming up.

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01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 1: Because it's important to have a lot of food for

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01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:14,480
Speaker 1: deer to eat in that swamp, and late in the

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01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 1: season instead of early in the spring like it always

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01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,959
Speaker 1: is when everything turns brown. Other than a few eggcorns,

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01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 1: they don't have a whole lot to eat down. I think, um,

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01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 1: I think coming out of like our day to day,

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01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:34,560
Speaker 1: I feel more confident. I feel more excited about certain

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01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:37,400
Speaker 1: locations I was already excited about, but getting you know,

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01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 1: another set of eyes on it has me that much

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01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:42,280
Speaker 1: more ready and rare to get. After that, I feel

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01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 1: like much more confident about my ideas around what to

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01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:48,120
Speaker 1: do with some of those mayor's tail fields. Now that

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01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:51,920
Speaker 1: we've talked throughout warm season grass ideas, UM, I'm glad

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01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:56,000
Speaker 1: that my food plot idea seems not horrible and on point,

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01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:57,640
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a little bit of learning

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01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:59,360
Speaker 1: experience where you see how it works out this year

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01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 1: and will adjust on the screens. Um. But man, this

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01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 1: has just been really helpful, I opening in a lot

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01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 1: of ways and fun for sure. This is a great

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01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:13,080
Speaker 1: So if I could give you one more tip, just

2358
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 1: thinking about that food plot where that pinch point crosses

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01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:20,160
Speaker 1: the fence row which we're talking about of those two

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01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:24,480
Speaker 1: food plots, where the narrowest party crosses from field four

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01:58:24,520 --> 01:58:27,360
Speaker 1: and five, So that's a fairly wide fence row five

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01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 1: yards wide. There some trees or some brush. You're definitely

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01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 1: going to clear that out so dear can move through there.

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01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:36,280
Speaker 1: That would be an ideal location for a licking branch.

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01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:38,720
Speaker 1: I like that. Every deer is going to come through

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01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:43,600
Speaker 1: their pinching in anyways, and they're gonna stop and use it,

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01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 1: And it's a lot easier to kill a deer stand

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01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:49,400
Speaker 1: instead the ball when it's moving. I definitely, I definitely

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01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:52,280
Speaker 1: agree with that. Um, Yeah, that's gonna be a cool

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01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:55,120
Speaker 1: little set up. I think one of the big things

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01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm interested in seeing is is what kind of chure

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01:58:57,360 --> 01:59:01,240
Speaker 1: buck activity will get during daylight in those fields? Will

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01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 1: they feel comfortable moving out there? Or will they will

2374
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 1: still be too open for a four year old buck

2375
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 1: to come out there? Will our will our mature buck

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01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 1: encounters be happening in the swamp on the edge of

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01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:13,920
Speaker 1: the swamp and the honey hoole spot, or will we

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01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:18,200
Speaker 1: get october I said that our glass pinch point, and

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01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:21,160
Speaker 1: a nice buck does come out and follows a doe

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01:59:21,160 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 1: to there. And and here's something I'll let to kind

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01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:26,560
Speaker 1: of chew on. Um. Right now, we don't know what

2382
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 1: those deer are, like, what kind of encounters they've had elsewhere, um,

2383
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:34,120
Speaker 1: how how they are about your odor? But if you

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01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:37,280
Speaker 1: were if you said, four years from today, and there

2385
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:39,040
Speaker 1: was a button buck that's running around her right now,

2386
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:41,520
Speaker 1: young buck, and all he knows is that food plot.

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01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,760
Speaker 1: When he's four, he'll be in that food plot because

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01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:46,840
Speaker 1: that's home to him. That's all he knows. You might

2389
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:48,680
Speaker 1: have a buck this year walks in there, maybe just

2390
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:52,080
Speaker 1: cruises through three times a year in the fall, cruising

2391
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:54,920
Speaker 1: for for getting dates and he sees those openings, he's like,

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01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:58,000
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. But usually if there's girls hanging around,

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01:59:58,040 --> 02:00:00,560
Speaker 1: they don't think it's such a bad idea. If we

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02:00:00,680 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 1: if we play smart hopefully keep it feeling safe for them.

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02:00:03,320 --> 02:00:05,880
Speaker 1: I think it's I think there's a chance, and you know,

2396
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 1: work on your scent control. You know how important that is. Yeah,

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02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to play real well intry and access

2398
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:13,320
Speaker 1: is going to have to be real, real smart. But

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02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,400
Speaker 1: my my thoughts in the beginning are still the same,

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02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:20,560
Speaker 1: which is, if we do things right, it can be great.

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02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:22,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we hunt it smart. It has all the

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02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:25,240
Speaker 1: pieces it needs to be really good. It really does.

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02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:27,120
Speaker 1: It's got all the potential will be just as good

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02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:31,720
Speaker 1: as my place or better because of something, because you've

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02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:35,600
Speaker 1: got a great spot. Well, Jake, thank you. I had

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02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:37,360
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Thank you so much. It has

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02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:41,920
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, Thanks Jake. If folks are looking

2408
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:43,640
Speaker 1: for this kind of help for themselves, they'd like to

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02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 1: learn more about what you've got going on. Where should

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02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 1: they where they going to learn or to get in

2411
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:52,879
Speaker 1: touch with you? Uh? Website, Facebook and YouTube, habitat solutions

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02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:57,160
Speaker 1: three sixty L perfect that's easy. Yeah, we'll go check

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02:00:57,160 --> 02:01:00,280
Speaker 1: it out, folks. Jake has got lots of helpful things

2414
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:02,040
Speaker 1: out there. He's just I mean, as you can tell

2415
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:06,360
Speaker 1: from listening, amazing guy, very knowledgeable, very helpful. Hit him

2416
02:01:06,440 --> 02:01:08,240
Speaker 1: up and he will help put you in position for

2417
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 1: a great hunting season. A right, thanks Jack, and that

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02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:16,160
Speaker 1: is a rap. Hopefully guys enjoyed this one. I cannot

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02:01:16,240 --> 02:01:18,880
Speaker 1: wait for you to see all the new stuff that's

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02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 1: gonna come out of this project. As we mentioned in

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02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:24,640
Speaker 1: the introduction with Steve and Janice, if you head over

2422
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:28,640
Speaker 1: to the Meat eater dot com slash Win a Hunt,

2423
02:01:29,120 --> 02:01:31,520
Speaker 1: you can sign up to win a hunt with me

2424
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:34,480
Speaker 1: and Steve on the back for the property. And very

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02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:36,720
Speaker 1: soon we're going to have a new video series in

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02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:39,600
Speaker 1: the media to YouTube channel. We're gonna have new articles

2427
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:42,640
Speaker 1: and a whole lot of our podcast content will have

2428
02:01:42,760 --> 02:01:46,560
Speaker 1: updates on the project, stories from the project. UM. You know,

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02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:48,480
Speaker 1: this time of year, we're not gonna spend too much

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02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 1: time in actual land management UM conversations on the podcast

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02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:54,200
Speaker 1: because lab of Us are actually out there hunting. But

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02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 1: definitely in the off season there's gonna be a lot

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02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,040
Speaker 1: of interesting things will be diving into as well, So

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02:01:58,160 --> 02:02:00,960
Speaker 1: make sure you are checking all all those things out.

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02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,000
Speaker 1: The Wired Doing Instagram account's going to have a lot

2436
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:07,640
Speaker 1: of updates and Instagram Stories in real time updates as well,

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02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:12,000
Speaker 1: so follow along, thank you, and until we chat next time,

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Speaker 1: stay Wired to Hunt.