1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound on Congress. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: We need to secure additional supply now. Now she has 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: the qualifications, the experience, and the credentials that we require 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: of a Supreme Court justice. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, Policy 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: and perspective from DC's top names. Touchdown confirmed at six 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: a m. Central Times. Yeah, like my Space, Brothers and 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Space Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: President Biden makes a cry for more COVID money. The U. 9 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: S Intelligence says Putin is being misled by his own advisors, 10 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: and Judge Kaitanji Brown Jackson picks up a Republican vote. 11 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: How about it. Welcome to the Fastest Hour in Politics. 12 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew and Washington, where we will be joined 13 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: momentarily by Congressman Brian Against, Democrat from New York, Member 14 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: of the Budget and Ways and Means committees in the 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: House will get analysis from our signature panel. Bloomberg Politics 16 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis are with us for 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: the hour. An American astronaut sets a record for the 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: longest spaceflight ever and gets a ride home from the Russians. 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk space relations with a pilot and author 20 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: named Jeff Wise, Bloomberg columnist who says the space station 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: is now suddenly facing a dire future. So much for 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: de escalation, right. The reversal in the markets you just 23 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: heard about from Charlie followed a reversal in the narrative 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: around Ukraine. Your skepticism was apparently well deserved. A from 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: Moscow had said it was cutting military activity in Kievan 26 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: across the north. Today, the Kremlin says no breakthroughs, so 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: nothing has really changed with Russia, and the White House 28 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: says Vladimir Putin Bell doesn't actually know what's going on anyway, 29 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: setting US Intelligence White House Communications Director Kate Bettingfield in 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: the briefing room, Today's is Putin's inner circle, whatever that is, 31 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: won't tell him the truth. I certainly am not a 32 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: spokesperson for the Kremlin and cannot speak to what is 33 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: in Vladimir Putin's head. What I can say is, of course, 34 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: we have information that Putin felt misled by the Russian military, 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: which has resulted in persistent tension between Putin and his 36 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: military leadership. We believe that Putin is being misinformed by 37 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: his advisors about how badly the Russian military is performing 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: and how the Russian economy is being crippled by sanctions 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: because the teenior advisors are too afraid to tell him 40 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: the truth. Yeah, but he didn't love them. This after 41 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: the President spoke to Vladimir's Lensky today call ran about 42 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: an hour. It was not the war though, that President 43 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: Biden talked about in an address to the nation today 44 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: was COVID. Making another call to Congress to pass COVID 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: relief money. Congress has to provide the funding American needs 46 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: to continue to fight COVID nineteen. Well, we're we're already 47 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: seeing the consequences of Congressional inaction. The monoclonal anibody take 48 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: monoclonal ironimbodies, for example, They've helped save lives. This isn't partisan, 49 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: it's medicine. A pretty good line. I bet you hear 50 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: it again. President says testing kits are also running out. 51 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: Vaccine supplies will follow. And that's where we begin today 52 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: with Congressman Brian Higgins, Democrat from New York. Congressman, welcome 53 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: back to Bloomberg with you. I know you're getting busy 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: on the President's budget that dropped this week five point 55 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: eight billion dollars. Before we talk about next fiscal year, though, 56 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you quickly about this one that 57 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: we were in because Congress did not include the COVID 58 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: funding that the Biden administration requested, as you well know, 59 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: and you probably heard the President on this again today 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: asking for money for testing for therapeutics. Can you tell 61 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: our listeners if these programs will be funded this year? Well, 62 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: they have to be funded. I mean, we saw what 63 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: happened to the economy over the past twenty four months 64 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: and the amount of money that the federal government had 65 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: to spend to develop vaccines to keep the American economy 66 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: and by extension, the world economy from collapsing. So not 67 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: to be prepared for the next iteration of this virus 68 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: is poolhardy. So I suspect that Congress will be very 69 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: receptive to the White House's requests to provide more COVID 70 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: testing and other uh forms of funding. Well, I know 71 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: there was a lot of pushback on this the first 72 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: time around with the Omnibus from from Democrats as well. 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't the typical COVID politics here. There were concerns 74 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: about offsets and using unused COVID money in the States. 75 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: Do you think this should be offset if it's a 76 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: standalone bill. I don't think it's it's important. Look, if 77 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: we can can finance three wars in the Middle East 78 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: in the tune of six trillion dollars off budget, we 79 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: can certainly UH fund COVID relief for the people of America, 80 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, on budget or off budget. But 81 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: the reality is we can't afford not to do it 82 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: because we have seen over the past two years what 83 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: a devastating impact it has, not only in terms of 84 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: lives UH in illness, but also in terms of the economy. 85 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: There's been reports that there could be a deal on 86 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: this at some point soon. Are you hearing that? What 87 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: are you hearing on the committee level about that? I'm 88 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: hurt hearing that there will be a deal, and it's 89 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: a question of you know what the contours of the 90 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: deal are, but that's certain that will provide then leaves 91 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: that's needed. In terms of this new budget, as I mentioned, 92 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: the White House says it's seeks fiscal responsibility and lowering 93 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: deficit spending by a trillion dollars. UH that relies, though, 94 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: on a minimum tax on income and unrealized gains for 95 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: the super wealthy. Do you support that approach? I support 96 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: looking at that. I mean, keep in mind, there is 97 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: you know, a strategy that people buy an asset, building asset, 98 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: borrow against the asset, and then they die, never paying 99 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: taxes on very significant wealth accumulation. And I think that, 100 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: you know, look at people that are making a lot 101 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: of money, they should be paying something, and everything they're 102 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: doing is perfectly legal on the current tax code. I 103 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: think we have to find a way to capture fair 104 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: contribution from from those folks. Have to admit, Congressmen, we're hearing, 105 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: you know about a backlog of tens of millions of 106 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: tax returns this year. You wouldn't you have to infuse 107 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: a lot of money to the I R s to 108 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: beef up the workforce to help enforce those rules. Well, 109 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: why wouldn't we be doing that? I mean, that's you know, 110 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: what we depend on to finance, uh, you know, the 111 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: federal budget, and some people that can't afford you know, 112 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: lawyers and accountants aren't going to be able to Uh, 113 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to pay their fair share, and others 114 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: should as well, So we should, clearly when we talk 115 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: about self defeating, clearly we should be fully funding the 116 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: Internal Revenue Service. Look, I don't like to pay taxes either, 117 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: believe me, um, but everybody should pay their fair share. 118 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: And if some people pay and others don't, that's a 119 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: problem that has to be corrected by Congress. As it 120 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: relates to the i r S. How many people do 121 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: you need to hire at the i r S? As 122 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: a as a member of the Ways a Means Committee, 123 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: do you have a sense of that, how we don't 124 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: have to go through this again next year and never 125 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: of mind adding new responsibilities. Well, put it this way. 126 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: The the the i r S commissioner previous one testified 127 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: before the Senate last year saying that we're losing a 128 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: trillion dollars a year in uncollected taxes. So whatever that 129 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: amount is to have the personnel to be able to 130 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: do the audits and everything else is a small investment 131 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: relative to the amount of money that we would collect. 132 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: And if you look at you know, debt and deficits, 133 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about a trillion dollars and uncollected tractions each year. 134 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: That is a that is a very very significant amount, 135 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: and I think most Americans have a fundamental sense of 136 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: fairness and if you make a lot of money, you 137 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: should pay your fair share. Talking with congress from Brian 138 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: Higgins of New York here on Bloomberg Sound On, and 139 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: there's a very real debate underway about military spending. This 140 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: would be the biggest Pentagon budget ever. As I read yet, 141 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: I see the Defense Apartment, for instance, cut orders for 142 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: F thirty five, moving some other pieces around the board. 143 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: Is that because there's not enough money for what the 144 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Fense Department is asking for? Is this being spent the 145 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: right way? Congressman, I think there's substantial money in the Pentagon, 146 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: the Department of Defense. I think what we need to 147 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: do is make sure that we are adequately funded to 148 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: make sure that we have the best equipment available, and 149 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: we're seeing that right now. Keep in mind that the 150 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: United States, Canada and the UK have been helping in 151 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: training Ukrainian military since two thousand fourteen, and all of 152 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: the anti tank missiles, the anti aircraft missiles and now 153 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: anti warship missiles are coming from the West through Poland 154 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: into Ukraine. So it's very very important. First principle of 155 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: NATO is UH Europe, poland free and protecting the continent 156 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: from Soviet and now Russian aggression. And I think this 157 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: is being tested for the first time since World War Two, 158 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: and it underscores the importance of being well prepared. We're 159 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: dealing with a guide that you know, think about this, 160 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, the Middle League and recently in Eastern Europe, 161 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: Russia in particular, our enemies, including Putin, are weaponizing our 162 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: addiction to oil and gas to finance their wars against 163 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: freedom and democracy. UH. In Ukraine. UH. The United States 164 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: is not energy independent right now. US imported six hundred 165 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: and seventy two thousand barrels per day of Russian crude 166 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: oil and refined problems. How do you incentivize domestic drillers 167 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: to produce more because a lot of them say they won't. 168 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: They feel like they got burned last time around the 169 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: lind Up with a glut. They'd rather give their money 170 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: back to shareholders. Well, look, I think there's a number 171 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: of ways to do that. Certainly, we are not going 172 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: to eliminate entirely fossil fuels. What we can do is 173 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: move towards energy independence. And that's why this budget is important. 174 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: That's increase in clean energy and UH clean energy manufacturing. 175 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: It's one point five billion and a electric charging infrastructure 176 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: of Americans. Seventy of Americans say that they want an 177 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: electric vehicle, are reluctant to go after one or purchase 178 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: one because they have uncertainty about charging station. You know, 179 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: the great debate right now is where is the line? 180 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:22,479 Speaker 1: Because if you start pulling back on fossil fuel production 181 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: in an effort to transition to renewable, you're gonna have 182 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: to pay more in the interim at some point, aren't you. 183 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: Well no, Look, here's what we know. We know that 184 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: there's line. As you said, I don't know where the 185 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: line is in other do you, and as anybody else. 186 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: What we can do and I don't either. But what 187 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: we can do and what we should do is find 188 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: a balanced approach because everybody else is doing that you 189 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, supply supply chain for electric vehicles. 190 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: The top twenty five countries or raw materials to make 191 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: lithium ion batteries number one China, of the global refining capacity. 192 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: Number fifteen is the United States. So we just have 193 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: to do much much better. Look, the Stone Age didn't 194 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: end because we ran out of stone and the oil. 195 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: The oil age won't end because you run out of oil. 196 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: Good oil age will end when you come up with 197 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: a cleaner, quieter, eventually cheaper way to do it. And 198 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: we know that, you know, innovation by its very definition, 199 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: it's inefficient, it's trial and error. So what we have 200 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: to do is continue to move toward alternative energy sources. 201 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: And we're seeing countries like China. You know, I hear 202 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: you know a lot of my colleagues on both sides 203 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: of the aisle. They complain about China, as do I. 204 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: But we have to be tough on China, but we 205 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: have to be tougher on ourselves about China. How about 206 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: you pass that China Competes Act. It definitely needs to 207 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: be done. One version was passed in the Senate, another 208 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: in the House. We will reconcile the differences and get 209 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: that done. Congressman Brian Higgins, Democrat from New York, it's 210 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: great to have you with us on Bloomberg. Appreciate the 211 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: insights today. Thanks Joe. Here. Coming up, we assemble the 212 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: panel with the latest on Ukraine and news on President 213 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: Biden's pick for the Supreme Court. At least one Republican 214 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: will vote for Katangi Brown, Jackson, Rick and Genie are 215 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: up next. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. You're listening 216 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 217 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: So no one is telling Vladimir Putin the truth. As 218 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier this hour, the White House says Putin 219 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: has been misinformed by advisors about his military performance in 220 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: Ukraine and the effect of sanctions on his country's economy. 221 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: You can read about it, Jordan Fabian and Josh wind 222 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Grow from our White House team on the terminal right now, 223 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: So he thinks he's winning. Now, I'm whispering like Joe Biden. 224 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: But what's the strategy of putting this out there in 225 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: the public arena today? The White House says it had 226 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: to de class suffy this intelligence so we could all know. 227 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: Let's assemble the panel and talk about it with Bloomberg 228 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: Politics contributors Jeannie Chantano and Rick Davis back together today. Jeannie, 229 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: what do you make of this? It almost feels like 230 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: the White House putting out intelligence, for instance, but it's 231 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: hearing about a chemical attack that could be looming, or 232 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: a false flag or something. Is this the latest thing 233 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: that they're trying to turn around somehow reverse psychology with 234 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. Yeah, Joe, I'm glad you were whispering, so 235 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: Putin doesn't hear you and know the truth about what's 236 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: going on. Um, you know it just it is stunning 237 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: because how isolated does he have to be? And it 238 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: does go in concert with what we've been hearing, you know, 239 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: pre COVID COVID and after that he's incredibly isolated. And 240 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: you look at how he has berated people close to 241 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: him in public for disagreeing with him. I'm not so 242 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: sure this is a big surprise. I wouldn't want to 243 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: tell him the truth that you have walked into a 244 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: disaster for your own political fortune, for the future of Russia's. 245 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: So I don't think it is quite stunning, But I 246 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: do think it's important that the White House, you know, 247 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: puts this information out there so that if it can 248 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: trickle into Russia, Russians can see what they were dealing with. 249 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: It's like the setup for a South Park episode, and 250 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: they have been already. There's already at least one about Putin. Rick, 251 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: is this just about embarrassing Vladimer? Because I know you 252 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: can't probably watch these reports if you live in Russia. 253 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: But he hears the Western media. Here's the Western media, 254 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: his top lieutenants here the Western media. I think it's 255 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: as much for the denigration of Putin within Western media, right, 256 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, like this is good psychological operations. Uh, you know, 257 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: if Putin wants to be seen as a world leader 258 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: and he's seen out of touch within his own country, um, 259 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: you know it, it creates this diversion to him. And 260 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: so I think I think this is a good use 261 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: of intelligence, if indeed it is, or if it's just 262 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: good misinformation, uh, it's it's a wartime and and all 263 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: this stuff is certainly applicable, and I think making Putin 264 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: seems small and out of touch is exactly what this 265 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: administration strategy is, regardless of whether they have intelligence about it. 266 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: It's a good strategy. A knock on his his own ego, 267 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: Rick or your his world standing. What's the outcome? What 268 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: are they trying to achieve? Though? Well, I think they're 269 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: trying to create a situation within Russia, right that Um, 270 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, they can create some dissonance amongst the people. 271 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: So there's always that aspect of it, right, that your 272 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: leaders out of touch. But I think also, you know, 273 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: they're constantly managing a situation where they're in competition to 274 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: keep our allies and our friends and in some of 275 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: the people on the fence from uh from getting weak 276 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: on this right. I mean, it's a bloody, nasty affair. UH. 277 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: And Vladimir Putin is a butcher and and so it's 278 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: kind of scary to be on the coalition opposed to him. 279 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: And I think all this helps keep that coalition together 280 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: and keep people who otherwise might be signing with Putin, 281 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: UH to think twice about that one of the other 282 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: big breakers today. UH. And it may not have come 283 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: as a huge surprise to you, but we learned that 284 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: Judge Kitangi Brown Jackson, President Biden Supreme Court nominee will 285 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: get at least I love these headlines, will get a 286 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: bipartisan vote. How about at least one Republican vote. Guess who? 287 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: I decided that she had the qualifications, the experience, and 288 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: the credentials that we require of a Supreme Court justice 289 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: and warranted my support. Susan Collins, Republican from Main Genie. 290 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: You're not surprised, are you? I'm not surprised. No, Susan 291 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: Collins has had a history of voting for Supreme Court nominees, 292 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: many of them, and she was one of the couple 293 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: of people that we thought maybe if there was a 294 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: Republican to go over. And you know, surely the White 295 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: House is very very happy about this turn of events 296 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: and this announcement. You know, from a broader perspective, the 297 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: idea that we are now describing one vote from a 298 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Republican as a bipartisan wind tells you where we are. 299 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot about the media, it does. And you know, 300 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: there may be a few others. You know, some people 301 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: are saying Tom Tillis, you know, Bill Haggery. There's a 302 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: few others. Maybe she gets two or three. You know, 303 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't It's not how I learned how to define 304 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: bipartisanship when I was a student. But things have changed 305 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: at this point. Well, so I'll ask the dumb question, Rick, 306 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: does this Does this give anyone cover to to vote 307 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 1: as well from the Republican side of the aisle? No? Uh, 308 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: Susan Collins is a maverick on this stuff. I mean, 309 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: remember she voted against Brett Kavanaugh. I mean, like, so 310 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: maybe she's just counterintuitive when it comes to Supreme Court nominees. 311 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: And uh, and and look, I mean she is very independent. 312 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: She just won re election, hard fought race. I shame 313 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: on a lot of Democrats who oppose her because she 314 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: might be the best Republican they could have, uh in 315 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: that coalition. So uh, I think we've all known that 316 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: this was a done deal, you know, since the get go, 317 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: as long as the Democrats could hold their own right, Yeah, 318 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: this nominee was going to make it through. So I 319 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: think it's a nice signal. I think it helps the 320 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: Republican Party to have somebody look at this and say, yeah, 321 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: you know, we're going to cross the aisle on this. 322 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: Whether it creates a stampede of one or two other Republicans, 323 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: I would doubt it, but um, you know, we'll we'll 324 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: see you shortly a stampede, says Rick Davis. Kirsten Cinemas 325 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: A yes, I presume, Genie. Right. So, how's this going 326 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: to go down as one of the the closest Supreme 327 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: Court votes of all time? There for a reflection upon society? 328 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: Or is this just what people expect from Washington? No 329 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: matter what we're voting on, it's cut down the middle. 330 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: I love how rick is saying stampede with maybe one 331 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: or two more. So you know, I think people are 332 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: expecting that it's going to be very tight, and and 333 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: it is. It is where we are in this moment. 334 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: It's important to say she met twice, the second time 335 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: yesterday with Susan Collins, and Susan Collins attributed that conversation 336 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: to alleviating her concerns. So that does speak about Katangi 337 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: Brown Jackson. But this is where we are, and provided 338 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: everybody is healthy and shows up, we're probably looking at 339 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: two for her. And that's about it. It will be 340 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: April fourth, from what we understand, but we'll keep posted 341 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: on that. Ricky Genie will stay with us our signature 342 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: panel on the Wednesday edition of Sound On as we 343 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: turned to space later for some direction on this planet. 344 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: Jeff Wiss will be with us on the fastest hour 345 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 1: in politics, This is Bloomberg. It was a refreshing sight today, 346 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: at least a diversion to see a Russian Sayu's capsule 347 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: touchdown in Kazakhstan with two Russian cosmonauts and an American 348 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: astronaut named Mark Vanda High Award Vandahi actually set a 349 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: record longest human space flight, as we heard from the 350 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: NASA play by play, Vandahi and duprov completing three d 351 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: fifty five days in space, a very long mission that 352 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: began last April nine one with a launch on the 353 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: Soyu's M s A teen spacecraft from the bikon Or 354 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: Cosmo Jome in Kazakhstan. Three hundred and fifty five days 355 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: in space. The Russian commander Anton Skopelov thanked his crew, 356 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: who he called his space brothers in space sisters. The 357 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: image of them embracing before they left, all against the 358 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: backdrop of the war in Ukraine. The future may not 359 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: be so inspiring. We've talked about this a little bit. 360 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: Jeff Wise Now, writing for Bloomberg Business Week, the space 361 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: station confronts a dire future as US and Russia ties collapse, 362 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: and he joins us now, Jeff, thank you for being here. 363 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: Russia controls the thrusters, right, the propulsion system that keeps 364 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: the space station in orbit. What happens if they bail 365 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: on this partnership, Well, it's a very bad thing, obviously. 366 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: You know, the space station was designed specifically to be 367 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: a symbol of cooperation between these two superpowers um, and 368 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: it was designed so that each depended on the other. 369 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: So the Russian part of the space station provides propulsion, uh, 370 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: and the American side provides energy. So the Americans have 371 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: the solar panels that provide electricity. Now why does the 372 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: space station need propulsion? Well, there is a little bit 373 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: of tiny bit of atmosphere up there enough that if 374 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: you don't from time to time push it further back up, 375 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: orbit will degrade and so after nine months or a year, 376 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: it will start falling to the Earth. Right. So without that, 377 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: obviously this becomes an existential issue. Well, this is interesting. 378 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: You also point out here that it would take some doing, 379 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: right like to actually unhook the the Russian module and 380 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: so forth, that that would be would be an extreme move. Uh. 381 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: What if Russia just pulled its crew off? What would happen? 382 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: That would if they really wanted to just say, you 383 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: know what, we're out of this, if we don't want 384 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: to do this anymore, we don't like you, you know, 385 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: the schism between us, even if it hasn't come to 386 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: a full blown war, we're out of here. That they 387 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: would probably just remove their crew. I say, we're not 388 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: providing these propulsion services anymore. The Americans could try to 389 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: jury rig some kind of solution, you know, maybe fly 390 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: up some kind of UM space capsule that can use 391 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: its thrusters to to push it up. UM. But really, 392 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: the people that I've talked to are experts in this 393 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: sort of thing, tell me that it would take some 394 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: time to design and implement and and launch and attach 395 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: a proper replacement propulsion module. Would it take less than 396 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: nine and twelve months before it would take longer? Okay, 397 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: so that's a problem. So the idea of US buying 398 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: them out, for instance, is not a real one. Well, 399 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: that's that we don't know what they're really you know. 400 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: The unpredictability of the Russians seems to be a motif lately. Um, 401 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: they've they've sort of made these threatening announcements, UM, sort 402 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: of slightly ambiguous. They they most recently, Dmitri w. Goes 403 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: in the head of Ross Cosmos, the Russian equipment of NASA, 404 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: said that um, that they are giving a deadline, which 405 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: is tomorrow, by which if if the U. S and 406 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: the West hasn't lifted certain sanctions the target Ross Cosmos, 407 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: if they're going to retaliate. Now, how are they going 408 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: to retaliate. Are they gonna leave? Are they gonna win? Up? 409 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to wait. We'll find out tomorrow. Deadlines tomorrow. Yeah, 410 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: says if Americans want to get to the I S S, 411 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: they could fly on their brooms. He hasn't met. I 412 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: guess well, you know, he he This was an echo 413 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: of a comment he made back in ten where we 414 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: really were completely dependent on the Russians for human space launch. 415 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: We canceled the space Shuttle program abruptly. We didn't really 416 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: expect to. It turned out that this thing had a 417 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: proclivity to blow up, and so we had to cancel 418 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: it quickly. We didn't have a replacement. We had to 419 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: rely on the sayers that the Russians launched, and so 420 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, it took some time to replace it. Finally, 421 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: last year elon Musk SpaceX, we were now able to 422 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: get there without their help. Um, so we don't need 423 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: to fly on our broomstick. Uh, you know, as he suggested, 424 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: we can't fly there on on a Space X. But 425 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: uh we we still are dependent on them for at 426 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: least for a little while. There is some precedent here, 427 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: and I didn't know this till I read your great piece. 428 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: The I S S, as you write, is not the 429 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: only space project royal by the fallout from the invasion 430 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: of Ukraine. What else is Russia pulling out of here? Well, 431 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: Russia had been involved in in other kind of less 432 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: huge projects, realizing it's not on this scale. Yeah, but 433 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: they they were involved in a French launch facility UH 434 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: in South Africa, South America. They were involved in a 435 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: Mars probe UM as well. They you know, they are 436 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: big business of the Russians is launching satellites from bike 437 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: and Ore and Kazakh Stunt and they had UM a 438 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: massive contract to launch these UM one web satellites. These 439 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: were going to the arrival for Elon Musk's constellation of 440 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: of Internet satellites UH. And they were already there, they 441 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: were all ready to launch, and the war happened, the 442 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: sanctions happened, Russia got, you know, testy and said we're 443 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: going to cancel this. And as I pointed out in 444 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: the piece, like it really looks like they've essentially killed 445 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: their entire commercial launch UH industry, which is a big one. 446 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: And frankly, Russia has two kinds of industry. It has 447 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: like raw materials primarily oil and gas, and it has 448 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: like a certain certain amount of high tech like aircraft 449 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: and spacecraft and space launches, and so for them in 450 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: midst this crisis to essentially cut off their nose despite 451 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: their face. Uh, there's a lot of, um one might say, 452 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: irrational behavior apparently on the part of the Russia. So 453 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: are we walking into uh do you even call it 454 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: a space race anymore? With other nations involved? You know, 455 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: China's got its sight set on the moon. What a 456 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: new level of competition if the partnership ends with the 457 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: US and Russia or do they not have any money 458 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: to invest in space anymore? I mean, the whole thing 459 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: is such a mess. I I don't think really the 460 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: world space launch industry or the commercialization of space is 461 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: really going to suffer, frankly from the loss of the 462 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: Russians because of as you say, you want must coming 463 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: on the Chinese, coming on India. You know, it's it's 464 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: there's more and more people who have the technical capacity 465 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: to put things in orbit more cheaply probably than the 466 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: Russians are able to do it. So that's not really 467 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: the issue, um. But the issue is, you know, why 468 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: did we get them involved in this? In the first place, 469 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: because we wanted to a symbolize the peace between these 470 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: you know, long time at odds superpowers, and we wanted to, 471 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, um, give them jobs other than like launching 472 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons at people. You know, they have a very 473 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: capable launch capability, um, and we would rather use they 474 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: use it for peace. And so obviously all that is 475 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: very much um pardon my pun up in the air. 476 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: What is the plan right now? The lifespan of the 477 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: I S S if all this goes as scheduled, Well, 478 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: it's a bit ironic. The whole thing was scheduled to 479 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: run down in and the Biden administration just at the 480 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: very end of December had said, hey, we want to 481 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: keep this thing going. You know, it still has some 482 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: life left in it. It's you know, it is this 483 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: kind of magnificent and massive piece of engineering that's floating 484 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: on up there in space. Let's keep it going until 485 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: The Russians haven't really signaled that they're on board for 486 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: that themselves. But since we pay for it anyway, I 487 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: think we sort of assume that they go along for 488 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: the ride, you know, but who knows. But it does 489 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: have a certain limited lifespan already, there's a lot of 490 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: it's on the I S. S. It is past its 491 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: lifespan and doesn't work anymore. There comes a point where 492 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: you just can't keep it going. It will have to 493 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: deal or a bit, it will burn up and probably 494 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: fly into the Pacific Ocean. Well up that sucker in 495 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: the ocean. As you write, there are now five Russians, 496 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: four Americans in a German on board. Of course we 497 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: have the two departures, are the three departures here today, 498 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: and some think a Russian pullout would be good riddance. 499 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: Is that how this story ends? That's right? Well, I 500 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: talked to a person who is in a space foundation 501 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: here on Earth and has been watching as a former 502 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: ground controller from NASA, and just feels like, you know 503 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: enough of this nonsense, Like we don't really you know, 504 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: there was a time when, you know, the I S 505 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: S dates to time when the Soviet Union had just collapsed. 506 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: There was hope through democracy and capitalism and sort of 507 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: the prospect of Russia rejoining the modern world order. That 508 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: whole project seems somewhat bankrupt at this point, and I 509 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: think maybe it's just time to say, you know, let's 510 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: it's sometimes it divorces just exactly what's needed. Jeff Wise, 511 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate your time. Find the column Bloomberg 512 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: Business Week, even if you just do a news search 513 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: for NASA and the terminal will come right up. I 514 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: was looking forward to that conversation and I am really 515 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: compelled by this story. How's this going to end? It's 516 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: a real bit of symbolism here for what's going on. 517 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: And we salute the explorers here on sound On who 518 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: brings us a little perspective on a day like this 519 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: from their very different worldview people have problem on Earth. 520 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: On orbit, we have like, uh, you're not like we 521 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: have one crew and I think I s is like 522 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 1: symbol of the friendship and cooperations and how like symbol 523 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: of future of exploration of space. And thank you very 524 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: much my crewmakers. We have like my Space Brothers and 525 00:29:48,000 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: Space Sister. Three hundred popping chromunicution stopping were prepared ring 526 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: for lending. We should see the horizon momentarily. There's one 527 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: of the Russian m I eight helicopters as we stand 528 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: by for touchdown. Touchdown confirmed at six a m. Central 529 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: time a m. Eastern time PM at the landing site 530 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: Mark Van der High and Pyotr Dubov back home one 531 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: year after leaving the planet. Some of the sounds from 532 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: today's return mission to Earth as you would only hear 533 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg. Sound O. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. We 534 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: will reassemble the panel next. Glad to have you with 535 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: us on the fastest hour in politics. This is sound on. 536 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington, as we reassemble the panel 537 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: with Rick and Jeanie Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis, Jeanie Schanzano. 538 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: You've talked this out a little bit before, this idea 539 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: of a breakup in space. It would be kind of 540 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: the ultimate symbolism, right when you go back to when 541 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: this was first agreed upon, Boris Yeltson was still running Russia. 542 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: They were they were shelling the parliament while the NASA 543 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: director was signing the paperwork on this thing. I guess 544 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: it would be a fitting ending, wouldn't it. Yeah. I 545 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: think that space diplomacy maybe a thing of the past, 546 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: at least as it relates to Russia. Paris Troika has 547 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: been long forgotten. But I also think that you gotta 548 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: you gotta be happy by the fact that Um, we 549 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,239 Speaker 1: don't have to use a symbol for space as as 550 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 1: a unifier the rest of the world, Japan, India. You know, 551 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: as Jeff mentioned, the rest of the world is in 552 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: space now. And so we've got to find other vehicles 553 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: to play well with others, whether that's with China or 554 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: Russia or or Oran. Uh. We we have to find 555 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: ways of not always falling into conflict. Uh. And and 556 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: maybe space isn't going to be that in the future, 557 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: but we got to find other vehicles to do it. 558 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: You think the timing is right here for a breakup 559 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: Genie would mean an end to this experiment we have 560 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: called the I S S a little bit earlier than planned, 561 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: but it might also be fitting. Yeah, I mean a 562 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: space breakup. It's so sad. It makes me very sad. 563 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: Hopefully they don't do it by tweet or something. Um. 564 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's I'm just listening to Jeff and you talk, 565 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: and you know, to imagine they went up there April 566 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: nine and come back to this, I mean, who can imagine. 567 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: You know, obviously they've gotten the news while they're up there, 568 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: but you know that long they're up there to come 569 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: back to this and now to think that this relationship 570 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: which has been long, and you listen to some of 571 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: the you know, the NASA asked administers like Bill Nelson 572 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: and others talk about what a fruitful relationship this has been. 573 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, I do think it's a bit of a loss. 574 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: It maybe time And if you look at the White 575 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: House's budget that was released yesterday, you see that there 576 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: is some funding for commercial space stations. They are increasing 577 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: that and so there may be a movement of foot 578 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: and certainly sounds like there is to replace the I 579 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: S S and to move in another direction, and that 580 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: may be where we're headed. Well, the fact is we're not. 581 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: Look as as we just discussed with Jeff, this is 582 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: over in a couple of years, no matter what happens 583 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: with Russia, Rick, once we go back to the Moon, 584 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: as is the plan at the moment. I mean, we're 585 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: not going to be cutting any new deals here. This 586 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: is back to the U S and space on its own. No, uh, 587 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: not necessarily. There are constant talks with other agencies in 588 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: the Middle East, a lot of the Middle Eastern countries, GCC, 589 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: you're getting into the space game. India has become a 590 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: sort of late entrant and very anxious to create partnerships 591 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: around space. Um as I mentioned Japan, uh not to 592 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: mention the fact that China is already doing their own 593 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: platform in space like this, So I don't think it's 594 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: a solo mission. Uh. And and right now, the I 595 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: s S isn't going anywhere. Right as Jeff mentioned, we 596 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,959 Speaker 1: pay for it. If the Russians don't want to ride 597 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: up there, that's fine, we can find our own way there. 598 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, Elon musk Uh is probably the 599 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 1: general beneficiary because when they kick out people like one 600 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: Web who had you know, hundreds of satellites to launch, 601 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: they just go find a ride with somebody else. There's 602 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: no lock on that business anymore. So it's it's good 603 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: for that industry, it's bad for you know, sort of 604 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: the diplomacy side. But I think you've got to look 605 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: past diplomacy. This is not anymore your mother's space program, right, 606 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: this is a real market. There's commercial value in it, 607 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: there's strategic importance to it. And uh and we've got 608 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: a Space Force for crying out loud, and we got 609 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: a space force. When's the first Space Force briefing going 610 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: to be anyway? I still I don't I needed, like 611 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: a Space Force credential or something. Uh, Genie, I'm waiting 612 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: for the Space Hotels. I think Jeff Bezos brings the 613 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: coda to this story. Yeah, yeah, the Space Hotels. I 614 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: can't go up. I'm too nervous, but I can watch 615 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: all of you, You and Rick and everybody go up. 616 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: I will wave to you. You will have fun in 617 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: the Space Hotel. Um. You know, it seems like everybody 618 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: is going up lately, so I think the time has come. 619 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 1: So guess who came up in the White House briefing 620 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: room today. It's been a while since we've heard somebody 621 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: actually say the name out loud, Donald Trump. And there's 622 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: a story about this on the terminal by Mark Niquette, 623 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: who covers politics for his White House blast Trump just 624 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: as he tries to temper Putin praise. And I'll tell 625 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: you what. Kate Bettingfield, the communications director at the White House, 626 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: was ready for this, even looked down and read her answer. 627 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: So I'll back up to tell you what this is 628 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: all about. As you might remember, Uh, he's had a 629 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: lot of nice things to say about Vladimir Putin and 630 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: even called on him in a recent interview, as he 631 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: did back in the campaign for Hillary's emails, he called 632 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: on Vladimir Putin to release information about Hunter Biden and 633 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: the contribution that he says the Biden family received from 634 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: the wife of the mayor of Moscow. This is why 635 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: I hope you followed me on that. This is how 636 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: he put it to something called Real America's Voice. As 637 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: long as Putin now is not exactly a fan of 638 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: our country, let him explain where did because Chris Wallace 639 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't let me ask the question, why did the mayor 640 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: of Moscow's wife give the Bidens, both of them three 641 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: and a half million dollars? And that's a lot of money. 642 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: She gave me three and a half million dollars. So 643 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: now I would think Putin would know the answer to that. 644 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: I think you should release it. I think we should 645 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 1: know that answer. It's like deja vu, and he doubled 646 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: down on it and sitting at Marlaca. But why is 647 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 1: it that the mayor of Moscow's wife gave the Biden 648 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: family three and a half million? Knows? I think Putin 649 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: now would be willing to probably give that answer. I'm 650 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: sure he knows. Tree knows. So this made a bunch 651 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: of headlines, and you know it came up in the 652 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: White House briefing today President Kutin to release information about Hunter. 653 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: N are you concerned about? So what I would say 654 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: about that is what kind of American, let alone an 655 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: ex president thinks that this is the right time to 656 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: enter into a scheme with Vladimir Putin and brag about 657 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: his connections to Vladimir Putin. There is only one and 658 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: it's Donald Trump. Donald Trump is she's a statement, takes 659 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: a jab at Morning Joe and who he refers to 660 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: as his psycho wife, Mika uh Sis. I hear that 661 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: very low rated Morning Joe thinks I should not be 662 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: asking Russia what the three and a half million that 663 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: Hunter and Joe got from the mayor of Moscow's wife 664 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: was four. He goes on to write the fake news 665 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: as also saying I called Putin a genius, when actually, 666 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: to be precise, I called his build up on the 667 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: Ukraine border before the war started genius. The because I 668 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: assumed he would be easily able to negotiate a great 669 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: deal for Russia. Unfortunately, he says, Putin went too far, 670 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 1: acting on the weak foreign policy of the Biden administration, 671 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: but backing off from that, of course, Well he did essentially, Well, 672 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: he did call him. This is from February. I went 673 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: in yesterday and there was a television screen and I said, 674 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: this is genius. Put declares a big portion of the Ukraine. 675 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: Of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent. Oh that's wonderful. 676 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: So Putin is now saying it's independent a large section 677 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: of Ukraine. I said, how smart is that? And he's 678 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: going to go in and be a peacekeeper. Well he 679 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: didn't end up turning out to be. That was on 680 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: the Clay Travis buck Sexton show, Rick and Genie, of course, 681 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: or with us here, Rick, does this actually imply, I mean, 682 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: we can get at this from a couple of different angles, 683 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: but that he's really starting to feel some heat on 684 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: this Putin issue as he's endorsing candidates in the mid terms. 685 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what it implies within the Republican Party. Yeah, 686 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 1: the more he talks about it, the more ugly it gets. Um. 687 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: You know, there is a clear connection between the disinformation 688 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: that Putin's putting out in an effort to try and 689 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: penetrate conservative Republicans. You know, we've had a lot of 690 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: conversation around that with Tucker Carlson and some of what 691 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 1: he said, and and and Donald Trump, you know, former 692 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: presidents just aping the Putin line on disinformation. So uh, 693 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: you know, honestly, I think a lot of Republicans are 694 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: really nervous about his continued embrace of Vladimir Putin as 695 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin becomes more and more accepted as a global 696 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: war criminal. And uh, there's no exit ramp for this. 697 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: There's nothing that Donald Trump can say to make it 698 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: less sticky to him that he's betrayed Americans. Uh, in 699 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: the process of embracing Putin. So I think this will 700 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: be one of the reasons why a lot of Republicans 701 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: aren't gonna want him to come to their state or 702 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: campaign with him, or endorse him. And uh, And I 703 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: think that this is a drumbeat for the future of 704 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: the party where people are going to actually have to 705 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: make a decision within the Republican Party whether they are 706 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: going to tolerate this kind of thing or whether they're 707 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 1: going to march in a different place. Kind of incredible. 708 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it's not genie to hear him call for Vladimir 709 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: Putin to release intelligence about about an American president and 710 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: his son having heard exactly the same thing you're doing 711 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: the with with the Hillary emails. But this was the 712 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: tape that loomed large in his impeachment trial. Why go 713 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: there again, Well, because he's Donald Trump, and because he 714 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: doesn't listen to people like Rick Davis who tell him 715 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,919 Speaker 1: the reality is is that if he wanted Republicans to win, 716 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: if he himself wanted to be thought of as a 717 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: candidate for four, he would keep out of the headlines 718 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 1: because this is going to help the Democrats. There's nobody 719 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: this helps except the Democrats to keep talking about Donald Trump. 720 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: And you know, it's so curious to me this statement 721 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,919 Speaker 1: he released today saying Putin went too far. Of course 722 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: he did call him a genius. Now he's walking that back, 723 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: but he's also asking for Putin for help. So if 724 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: he's asking Putin for help, he's got to be very 725 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: careful about saying Putin went too far. The entire message 726 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Putin said in October that he's unaware of 727 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: any business ties between the the the wife of the 728 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: mayor of Moscow, and Hunter Biden. This came out of 729 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: a Senate report that's been discredited, and yet he's raising 730 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,919 Speaker 1: it because he thinks it helps him personally. But all 731 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 1: it's going to do is help Democrats in the mid 732 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: term when they should have a very tough mid term. 733 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: He's the only thing that can help him make it 734 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: a little less painful. Man. I'll tell you something. It's 735 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: just I guess as long as there's an open microphone here, 736 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna hear a different Stump speech on this next Rick, 737 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: We're we're almost out of time. But I suspect that 738 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: this is the beginning of a new narrative for Trump. Yeah. 739 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: I think, well, this is this is the the narrative 740 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: of the week. Uh. And I think every time you 741 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: hear a rally from him, he goes off on some grievance. 742 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,479 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you'll have a new one by next week. 743 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: Rick and Genie great as ever, Rick Davis, Jeanie Chanzano 744 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: Blue Burke Politics contributors make up our signature panel. Part 745 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: of the reason why you listen here every day. It's 746 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: part of the reason why I show up to and 747 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: Nita Young, who we hear about. Gosh, where don't we 748 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: just have one left significant moments in women's history This 749 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: Women's History Month, here's Nita now on this day in 750 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: Women's History. In nineteen eleven, Ellen Swallow Richards dies She 751 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: was the first woman admitted to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 752 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: earning her Bachelor of Science in eighteen seventy three. Two 753 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: years later, Swallow Richards appealed to the Women's Education Association 754 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: of Boston for their help in establishing a laboratory at 755 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: m i T available for instructing women in chemistry. So 756 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: the Women's Laboratory opened in eighteen seventy six. Swallow Richards 757 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: became m i t s first female instructor, teaching in 758 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: chemistry and mineralogy in the Women's Laboratory until it closed 759 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty three. Swallow Richards was also a chemist 760 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: and founder of the economics movement in the United States. 761 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: That's today in Women's History. I'm Nita Young, Bloomberg Radio. Nita, 762 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: thanks as well to everyone on the fastest hour in 763 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: politics today Congress from Brian Higgins, our panel of course, 764 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: Rick and Jeannie and Jeff Wise. 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