1 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Decapitated remains of a young mom stuffed in suitcases. It 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: sounds like a horrible movie or some thriller or a 3 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: work of fiction, but in fact it is a horror 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: story dreamed up in the mind of a killer. What 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: happened to twenty eight year old Sarah Zigoul? Crime stories 6 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace or horrible and shocking, but with crap 7 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: that's going on everywhere, it seems like it's just not 8 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: too surprising. Mike Mhugh was at home in Iloa last 9 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: night when deputies converged on his neighborhood say they got 10 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: a tip about a murder, leading them to Southwest Saralla 11 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: and Hargus Street. That's where they found this BMW and 12 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: a woman's body in the trunk. The victim is twenty 13 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: eight year old Sarah Zegoul from Aloa. Neighbors can hardly 14 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: believe it because you're always seeing this kind of thing 15 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: happening elsewhere. You wonder if anything like this is ever 16 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: gonna affect your life, and then something like this happens 17 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: and you start wondering even more. You know. Sarah Zegul's 18 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Facebook page says she was a model actress and she 19 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: went to PSU. Now neighbors want to know how and 20 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: why her life ended. Here our friends at KPTV Fox twelve. 21 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: That was Jamie Wilson. What happened to a gorgeous twenty 22 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: eight year old girl? Sarah Zigouel. I'm Nancy Grace. This 23 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Decapitated 24 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: remains of a young mom stuffed in suitcases. It's almost 25 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: too much to take ken. As a matter of fact, 26 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: it sounds like a horrible movie or um some some 27 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: thriller or a work of fiction. But in fact it 28 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: is a horror story dreamed up in the mind of 29 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: a killer. Again. I'm Nancy, Gracie. Subscribe stories. Thank you 30 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: for being with us. With me an all star panel, 31 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: trial lawyer and judge, Ashley Wilcot, anchor Court TV at 32 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott dot com. James shell Nutt metro major k 33 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: SWAT officer now lawyer, the medical Examiner for the State 34 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: of Florida, Doctor Tim Gallagher, doctor Liz divorce psychologist in 35 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: New York, Pennsylvania, founder of Visionista's by Design and at 36 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: doctor Liz Lyz dot com. But right now to Jennifer 37 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: Dowling with ko I N six in Portland. You know, Jennifer, 38 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: when I think of Portland, Oregon, I think of wild, 39 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: untamed beauty, a place to go and get away from 40 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: the rat race. But instead we discover a young mom, 41 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: decapitated number one, stuffed in suitcases. What can you tell me? 42 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: How did the whole thing start? Let's start at the beginning, Jennifer, Well, 43 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: we in the news media first learned about it when 44 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: the car was found. So she was found in a 45 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: black BMW in a community called Oloa, and it's a 46 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: beautiful community. It's about thirty minutes outside of downtown and 47 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: a very quiet community. Nice homes, nice families, tight knit 48 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: families have lived there for quite some time. Children that 49 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: have grown there gone to school together. And this car 50 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: was found on one of the side streets with a 51 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: body inside. So when we responded, all we knew was 52 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: that there was a body found in the trunk of 53 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: a black BMW, and it was pretty shocking to be 54 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: in that nice neighborhood. It is pretty idealic and that 55 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: things like that just don't happen there, you know what. Yeah, 56 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: you're right about that, and I want to comment on that. 57 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: You know, when we hear about crime, and let's just 58 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: say a drug infested area or a high crime area. Well, 59 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: let's just say in the Sonola area of Mexico. We think, well, 60 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: you know what, that's to be expected. That doesn't make 61 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: it any less important, but I think it shocks the senses. 62 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: To James Shellnutt, metro major case swat officer now lawyer, 63 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: because people don't expect for a decapitated mom's body to 64 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: be found in a BMW parked down the street from 65 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: the nice houses where there's no crime. That shocks everyone's senses. 66 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean this is just something that 67 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: you would never expect. I mean people expect to come 68 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: home and live in a nice neighborhood and enjoy the afternoon. 69 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: And when this happens, it really startles people. It gets 70 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: people locking their doors and really just creates a sense 71 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: of panic in the entire neighborhood. You know what, You're 72 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: right and to you, Ashley Willcott, judge and trial lawyer. 73 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: You know, Ashley, I remember the Atlanta community was shocked 74 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: when outside of a very ritzy country club they've been 75 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: having a big society wedding in there and reception, a 76 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: guy goes out to catching uber and somebody comes up 77 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: and robs him, and one of the swankiest names in town, 78 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: and he says, well, wait, let me just have my 79 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: driver's license and starts to approach the robber, and the 80 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: robber guns him down. He was a brand new dad 81 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: and left behind an infant girl just about a week 82 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: or so old. The mom and stayed behind with the 83 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: baby and not come to the wedding. And it shocked everybody. 84 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: Oh how could this happen. I'll tell you how it happens. 85 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: The same way. It happens in housing projects and in 86 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: high crime areas and in drug infested areas. That's how 87 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: it happens. There is a predator amongst us and he 88 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: lets loose. That's how it happens. I remember when that 89 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: happened in Atlanta, Nancy. And the bottom line is this. 90 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: It can happen to anyone anywhere. Everyone can be a 91 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: victim of crime, regardless of where you live, of where 92 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: you frequent. And part of the misnomber year is that 93 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: so many people think, oh, it could never happen to me. 94 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: Oh it's safe, because it looks safe, it feels safe, 95 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 1: it's ritzy. The fact of the matter is it doesn't 96 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: matter where it happens, every victim is just as valuable. 97 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: Guys with me, Jennifer Dowling, Reporter ko I N six, Portland, Oregon, 98 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: and we are talking about a young mom, twenty eight 99 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: year old Sarah's guel and I'm stunned as a crime 100 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: victim of violent crime. When you lose someone you love, 101 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: that's horrible enough. When you lose them unexpectedly suddenly, that 102 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: makes it worse when you lose them to violent crime. 103 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: It's a shot many people never recover from. Tell me 104 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: again about the neighborhood, Jennifer, and I'm going to get 105 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: down into the case in just a minute, but I 106 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: want to understand where this happened. Yeah, Aloa is a 107 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: very as I mentioned, a very quiet and a nice community. 108 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: This was a group an area where people were really 109 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: tight knit. In fact, I had talked to some of 110 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: the victim's friends and they said they had all grown 111 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: up together as young kids. Even if they didn't go 112 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: to the same school or weren't the same age, they 113 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: all knew each other, you know, they'd ride their bikes together, 114 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: they come unger to each other's houses and play games. 115 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: And that included Sarah and so they all knew one another. 116 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a little bit outside of Portland, 117 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: but it's one of those communities that is very quiet, 118 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: mature trees, like I said, nice homes. You can walk 119 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: your walk, you could ride your bike, you could run 120 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: without probably any fear of anything happening to you, maybe 121 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: even at night. So this was really shocking, especially to 122 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: her friends who knew her and said she was really 123 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: friendly and outgoing and grew up with her. It really 124 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: hit them hard. You know, when I look at her 125 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: a photo, she's just she's just beautiful. She looks a 126 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: little bit to me like um Princess Megan, a little 127 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: bit to me, the long dark hair, the big beautiful 128 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: brown eyes, the gorgeous but you know, kind of a 129 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of a distant smile but still smiling. Guys. Of course, 130 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: of course, the cops don't want to tell the world 131 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: that this young mom has been dismembered. Take us in 132 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: our physic KATU two reporter Bob High. This investigative shouldn't 133 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: started yesterday, Why, deputy say, they got a nine one 134 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: one call and found a woman's body in a car 135 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: just a few blocks from here. This photo from the 136 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: Washington County Sheriff's Office shows the car officers found with 137 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: the body of twenty eight year old Sarah zegoul of 138 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: Aloa inside. Authorities wouldn't confirm reports that Zagula's body had 139 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: been dismembered and put inside the car's trunk. Deputy's to 140 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: the spot where the car was found on Thursday after 141 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: a nine one one caller contacted the Sheriff's office worried 142 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: that someone had been killed the site where the car 143 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: was found. He's just three blocks from the house searched 144 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: by investigators all day Friday. Those are my neighbors right 145 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: next door, the really nice people. We see them every day. 146 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Wrene Triplett knows the couple that lives in the house 147 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: and saw them with investigators outside the home Friday morning, 148 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: but she hasn't seen their adult son since the investigation began. 149 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: He lives there as far as I know, I think 150 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: since last summer. That's kind of when I started seeing him. 151 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, other than that, I don't really know much 152 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: about him. What we know is that the body of 153 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: this young mom, Sierra Zigl twenty eight years old, absolutely stunning, 154 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: was taken apart and placed into two separate suitcases. Police 155 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: at the time, not confirming who alerted them to the 156 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: BMW part in the neighborhood. Take a listen to what 157 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: our medical examiner from the state of Florida has to say, 158 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher. When we say body dismembered, you know, 159 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: you think of what you see in movies and on TV. 160 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: It's actually a very very difficult task to dismember a body. Well, 161 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: it certainly is Nancy, and it's not something that we 162 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: see very often. But you know, we have to keep 163 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: in mind that when we do see a dismembered body, 164 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: we first have to make sure that it is just 165 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: one body that is present in the dismemberment. But okay, now, 166 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: wait Gallagher, thank you so much. I hadn't even thought 167 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: of the you know, the mixing and matching of multiple 168 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: dismembered bodies. Now that's something for me to think about 169 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: tonight when I go to sleep. Thanks doctor Gallagher. Crime 170 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm still trying to process this 171 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: disturbing crime. The home that sits behind me, it doesn't 172 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: sit far from Sarah's house. It is still surrounded by 173 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: police tape, and it was the scene of a massive 174 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: investigation earlier today. You never would expect that tap into 175 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: somebody that you know. Sarah's agoul's friends say she was 176 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: outgoing and friendly, always ready to brighten the room. She 177 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: was a very funny person. Everybody knew her and her 178 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: whole family. Gregory grew up ten minutes from her house. 179 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: He said, the teens in this neighborhood formed a tight 180 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: knit group throughout high school. I just feel so bad 181 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: for her family. The twenty eight year old was an 182 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: aspiring model an actress. Her friend and photographer Lester Side, 183 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: took these photos of her. He says it was something 184 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: she really enjoyed doing. Others tell us she had a 185 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: young son that meant everything to her. Nobody knows if 186 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: it was like a stranger, if it was like somebody 187 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: close to her. It's so yeah, I'm scary. Deputy say 188 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: they found her body in the BMW after receiving a 189 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: tip the idea to suspect and eventually picked him up 190 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: last night near Southwest Murray Boulevard and teel the body 191 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: of a beautiful young mom just twenty eight years old. 192 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: Here as a ghoul found in two separate suitcases. I 193 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This his crime stories back to doctor Tim Gallagher, 194 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: medical examiner for the State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, of 195 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: course you brought up the specter of could it be 196 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: two bodies? I asked you regard about how difficult it 197 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: is to actually dismember a body, because we've all seen 198 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: let's just say Dexter for example, which actually helped me 199 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: get through my pregnancy, Dexter and Mystery Woman. Anyway, Dexter, 200 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: it was kind of a airbrushed, edited version of a 201 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: serial killer that would often dismember bodies and you would 202 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: never really see blood. He would never have a difficult 203 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: time of it. It's very hard to dismember a body. 204 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: And the point of this is, doctor Gallagher, what the 205 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: killer went through premeditatively intentionally dismembering a body. Describe the 206 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: difficulty of that task, doctor Gallagher, Well, it's certainly difficult 207 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: for somebody who's not familiar with the anatomy of the 208 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: human body. But to cut through the flesh and to 209 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: cut through the bones, you need electrical equipment or a saw. 210 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: I mean, if you use a handsaw, it could certainly 211 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: take hours, hours and hours, with planning, taking breaks, and 212 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: just a lot of human streams, you know, to stop 213 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: right there, you make it sound like it's some a 214 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: union job. You got to take a break every couple 215 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: of hours for fifteen and go have a sig No. 216 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: Another thing, when you're talking about dismembering a body, are 217 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: the tool markings left on bones which will tell an 218 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: experienced medical examiner, a pathologist like doctor Tim Gallagher exactly 219 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: what happened. Explain what we mean by the words tool markings, 220 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, Well, if you do use an instrument such 221 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: as a knife or a saw blade, the bone will 222 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: have a pattern on it from the saw blade. So 223 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: you can look at the pattern on the bone which 224 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: would which we call the tool mark or the mark 225 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: left by the tool used to cut the bone, and 226 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: we could identify what that tool is, whether it's a saw, 227 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: whether it's a blade, whether it's any other kind of 228 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: an instrument, and then take that piece of evidence and 229 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: trace it back to the tool that was used to 230 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: dismember the body. Guys, this young mom, I'm curious about 231 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: our background to Jennifer Dowling Kai in six, Portland, Oregon. 232 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: What do we know about Sarah Siguel because very often 233 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: the killer, you know what, Let me just throw this 234 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: out to doctor Liz divorce psychologist in Pennsylvania and New York. 235 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: Very often, well always, police start the investigation by those 236 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: closest to the victim. That's where you start the search 237 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: for a killer. Correct and why Yeah, so you can 238 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: hear the people that were interviewed explained that this is 239 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: a tight knit community. There's friends and associates that she's 240 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: had since high school. And so to get the most 241 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: accurate information of where she would be, what relationships she 242 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: may have, you are going to interview the people who 243 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: are closest with her to start that investigation and really 244 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: try to get as much gather as much information and 245 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: clues to lead you to answering and solving this horrific mystery. 246 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: James Sheldon at lawyer, a former swat and major case James, 247 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: the reality is you and I have been on the 248 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: streets for years and years and years. You start with 249 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: the husband, the boyfriend, the ex Why it's simple statistics 250 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: math explain? Oh yeah, I think if you look at 251 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: the statistics, the vast majority of homicides or committed by 252 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: people who are close, whether it's a spouse, whether it's 253 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: an immediate family member, or someone that they're an intimate 254 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: relationship with that is a majority of the homicide. It's 255 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: a very small portion of homicides occur between strangers, and 256 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: that is the logical place. And you know, as well 257 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: stated earlier, you start with the inner circle, closest to 258 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: the victim, and then walk your way out. I mean, 259 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: it's harsh, but true. Those closest to you are typically 260 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: when there are homicides, those closest to you are the 261 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: first suspects of first persons of interest. Why because it's 262 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: emotional to those people, emotional relationships, and they know them. 263 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: And it's those emotions that often drive murders to murder 264 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: because they're angry, they're passionate, all of these things that 265 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: misguide them, mislead them into committing these horrible crimes. The 266 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: other thing, Nancy, I have to add, when I have 267 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: a second listening to the description of what it takes 268 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: to decapitate someone, all I can say is this premeditated. 269 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: It's got to be. It takes hours and hours and hours. 270 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: And remember, when a jury is deliberating should this person 271 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: be apprehended and tried, a jury under the law can 272 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: take into consideration any and all activities before, yearing and 273 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: after the incident, including dismembering the body, so as did 274 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: German premeditation at the time of the killing itself. It 275 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: will be a difficult task to top it all off, 276 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: to not only put the body back together again. Typically 277 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: that's what medical examiners do, Gallagher, correct me if I'm wrong. 278 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: They lay out the body in its original shape. For instance, 279 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: let's just use the case of Kelly Anthony, the two 280 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: year old daughter of topmom Casey Anthony. They looked on 281 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: their hands and knees for hours and hours into the 282 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: night with spotlights trying to find all over two hundred bones. 283 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: Then they painstakingly put them together on for instance, the 284 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: doctor's examining table and try to reestablish the body. And 285 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: that is what they're doing. They will do with Sarah 286 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: Zugoul's body. The difficult task is to de German what 287 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: was the mode of death? The cause of death. When 288 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: you're dealing with a dismembered body, it's very very difficult 289 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: to why is that, doctor Gallagher, It's very difficult to 290 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: do to find the motive death because a lot of 291 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: the times the evidence that you need on the body, 292 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: the contusions, the incisions, even some of the bullet tracks, 293 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: will be lost due to decomposition, so we have to 294 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: use other methods by which we can identify what the 295 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: cause of death is, if possible at all. Well, what 296 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: you say, the evidence has lost you to DeCamp, But 297 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: what about the tearing the body apart, hack sawing, jig 298 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: sawing at apart. I would think that you would lose 299 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: evidence of a bullet entry or exit, or stabbing or asphyxiation, 300 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: particularly if she was decapitated at the neck. There may 301 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: be no evidence of asphyxiation or strangulation. I would think 302 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: that it would be more a problem with dismembering a 303 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: body as opposed to decomposition in determining the cause of death. 304 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher, Well, the when you deconstruct a body, or 305 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: you dismember a body, the injuries to the torso, that 306 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: part of the body is never dissected. That part of 307 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: the body is very rarely except in the case of 308 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: the black Dahlia of course that was in Hollywood. The 309 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: torso is very rarely dissected. So the major organs, the heart, 310 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: the lungs can be checked for injury to see what 311 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: the cause of death is, whether that be a stabbing 312 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: or whether that be a shooting. But for strangulation. If 313 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: the head is decapitated and the neck is damage from 314 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: the instrument, from the saft from the knife, that's going 315 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: to be a little bit more difficult to identify a strangulation. 316 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's a cool an actress, smodel, 317 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: and a mother to a young boy. A friend of 318 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: nearly ten years told me through Facebook. Cheese and absolute 319 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: wonderful woman as well as a great mother. I'm absolutely 320 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: disgusted with the fact that someone could do this to 321 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: such an amazing woman and mother. That's kat you two, 322 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: Reporter Keaton Thomas talking about Sarah Segel atress, model, mother 323 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dowling with me Reporter k I N six, Portland, Oregon. Jennifer, 324 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: what else can you tell me about Sarah? I really 325 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: loves her young son and he is so cute to 326 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: look on her Instagram profile, she has a lot of 327 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: pictures of him on there, and she just wrote really 328 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: beautiful love notes to her child basically that said things 329 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: like what an amazing boy. God bless me with I 330 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: Love you to the moon and back an infinite number 331 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: of times. That looks like she posted that about six 332 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: months before her death. There in Aloa. She also wrote 333 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: about him my little Kaepernick and I lounging, and she 334 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: had pictures of him and her, you know, watching TV together. 335 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: She was very inspirational to her friends as well. They 336 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: also told us that she was just a bright light 337 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: in their life, and she posted a lot of inspirational 338 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: things on there as well, just for everyone to see. 339 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: She did a quote from Martin Luther King Jr. That's 340 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: the darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that. 341 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that. 342 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: She had that posted a MLK Junior quote on her page. 343 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: She also had a lot of modeling photos posted. She 344 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: did a lot of what looked like local gigs around town, 345 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: some runway shows, maybe some Instagram influencing. Looks like she 346 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: did a bridle shoot with some bridal gowns as part 347 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: of her modeling aspiring modeling career. She really enjoyed doing that. 348 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: That's what her photographer and friend Lester Side told me. 349 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: She just was really beautiful and she was great in 350 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: front of the camera, but she was also very you know, 351 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: lively and effrosstent in real life too. She just had 352 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: a real energy about her that was very positive and 353 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: made people smile, and friends told us that they really 354 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: hope she's remembered that way now. According to some reports, 355 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: she had been married and that she was a graduate 356 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: of the University of Portland. I'm looking at her now 357 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: and she looks like a runway model. Who could have 358 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: done this? That Thursday night, around eleven pm, police received 359 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: a nine one one call from a resident, Michael Larson, 360 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: who reports hearing a man screaming in a ravine calling 361 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: for help. Listen. They say that he was in a 362 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: wooded green space right behind some apartments here in Beaverton, 363 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: and the only reason that they knew he was actually 364 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: here was that they heard him calling for help right 365 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: there where my finger is. That's where he was leaning 366 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: up against and there's a little creek right down in there. 367 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: It was pitch black at about eleven o'clock Thursday night 368 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: when Nancy Larson's thirteen year old daughter first heard it 369 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: from us that there was a man out here screaming 370 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: for help. They later learned he was taken into custody 371 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: in connection with the death of twenty eight year old 372 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: sarah's agoul of Iloa. Her body was found earlier that 373 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: day inside this black BMW about three miles away at 374 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: Southwest Saralla Street and Hargus Road. Unfathomable to think that 375 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: something like that would happen in our community behind her apartment. 376 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: I was talking to him and just trying to keep 377 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: him calm while my husband was on the phone. Nine. 378 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: Larson recalled the brief conversation she had with the man. 379 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: Asked if he needed medical assistance, if he was bleeding, 380 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: and I just kept hearing I need help. So I 381 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: let him know that help was on the way, and 382 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: he said, thank you. Washington County Sheriff's deputies are not 383 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: releasing the man's name until they book him into jail. 384 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: They also wouldn't confirm his condition when Beaverton police found 385 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: him Thursday night. Meanwhile, the forensics team was back inside 386 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: this Iloa home Saturday. They say it's associated with the suspect, 387 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: but they aren't releasing any new information at this time. 388 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend and KATU two reporter Keaton Thomas. 389 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: What do we learn that night day night after the 390 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: young mom's body is found dismembered and stuffed into two 391 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: suitcases in a black BMW there in a Treeline neighborhood, 392 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: around eleven PM. A little girl, here's a man calling 393 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: for help, sends her mom out to investigate, and she 394 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: sees and here's thirty six year old Jeremiah Johnson down 395 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: a ravene, worried about who else himself to Jennifer Dowling, 396 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: Kai N six, Portland, Oregon, why was he down a ravene? 397 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: And is it true he lived in the neighborhood with 398 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: his mother, Yes, Nancy, he lived close by with his mom. 399 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: We believe this ravine was about under three miles from 400 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: his mom's house. And nobody really knows why he chose 401 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: that ravine because that hasn't been revealed yet. But I 402 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: did speak with Michael Larson about that personally, and he 403 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: described it as being very odd and something wasn't quite 404 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: right when he heard the man, which turned out to 405 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnston, calling for help. They didn't know it at 406 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: the time that this was the man that would eventually 407 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: be involved in this case of a body in a car, 408 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: and that completely shocked the Larson family. Michael told me 409 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: that he was yelling helped me from the ravine. It 410 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: was dark, of course, at around eleven o'clock, and he 411 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: and his wife called nine one one. Of course, he 412 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: was on the phone with nine one one and he 413 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: was just said, it was so surprising. The man wouldn't 414 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: answer questions, tell him his name, you know, tell him 415 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: why he was down there. But he did describe police 416 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: officers or detective deputies descending on the ravine maybe about 417 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: an hour later after all this started and yelling, he's here, 418 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: he's here, and he could see, you know, from their 419 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: flashlights that this man was leaning up against a tree. 420 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: And again it turned out to be Jeremiah Johnston. But 421 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: we haven't been told yet. Wait a minute, he's leaning 422 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: up against a tree, as in standing, So there was 423 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with him. I think he was sitting. He 424 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: was sitting on the ground in the ravine and leaning 425 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: up against the tree and like yelling for help. I 426 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: don't The family lived in an upper level apartment. It 427 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: was really high above this ravine, so they couldn't see 428 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: very well. But you know, they told me they didn't 429 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: want to go down there in the dark to assist 430 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: someone that they didn't know what was happening with that person. 431 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: Of course, that'd be really scary, especially if you have 432 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: a teenager in the house. You're not going to go 433 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: down there and risk your life who you don't know? 434 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: Oh noh, you'd never leave a little girl in the 435 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: house and you go down a dark ravine. Okay, right there. 436 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: James shell Nutt twenty seven years much a major case 437 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: swat officer and now lawyer. You know, when somebody won't 438 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: tell you their name, they want you to help them, 439 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: but they won't give you any identification or tell you 440 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: even their name, that's a problem. Yeah, that's a problem. 441 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: And I will tell you, Nancy, and I think you 442 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: might agree with this. Very rarely do people who really 443 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: want to commit suicide slash their own throat. That's not common. 444 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: I don't know that I ever saw that one time 445 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: when I was in full time law enforcement. To judge 446 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott try to lawyer anchor at court TV, Ashley 447 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: refusing to identify yourself. That's never good. That's always the 448 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: first red flag because there's something nefarious of foot if 449 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: you're not even willing to give your name unless you've 450 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: sustained some type of injury where you don't know your name. 451 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: But I would expect that's not the case here. And 452 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: I just have to say one more thing. Crime of 453 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: passion crimes of passion. That's what happens, and you start 454 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: looking at when you have someone who first red flag, 455 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: don't want to give you my name. Crime Stories with 456 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Thirty five year old Geraldmiah Johnston is being 457 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: held in the Washington County Jail without bail to night. 458 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: This follows nearly a week in the hospital before he 459 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: was booked. Johnston is accused of killing twenty eight year 460 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: old Sarah Zagoul. He's charged with her murder and abuse 461 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: of a corpse. Our main priority is making sure we 462 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: do a really thrown investigation that we honor her legacy 463 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: and bring closure and justice for the family. Her body 464 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: was found inside a car last Thursday, less than a 465 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: half mile from her house on one hundred and seventy 466 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: first Place. Johnston has been in and out of jail 467 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: since twenty eleven, and most recently last September. Investigators have 468 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: not released details about johnston charges nor how he got 469 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: those marks on his neck. Our friend Steve Dune at 470 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: Katu two, So the thirty six year old neighbor who 471 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: lives alone with his mother, Jeremiah Johnson Aggain aged thirty six. 472 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: How many times do you think he watched this young mom, 473 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: a doting mother twenty eight years old, a model and 474 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: aspiring actress, go in and out of her home with 475 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 1: her little boy boy. Jennifer Dowling Kai n six, Portland, Oregon. 476 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Tell me about where they lived in that neighborhood. Would 477 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: he have seen her? Yeah, it's quite possible. Her family 478 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: home was less than a half a mile from his 479 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: mother's home, so it's very possible that the two could 480 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: have seen each other just in passing. They actually had 481 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: mutual acquaintances, We still don't know if they did, or 482 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: what the relationship was. If they did know each other, 483 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: but the acquaintance said, boy, I didn't even know that 484 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: they were friends or knew each other, meaning that he 485 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: thought they had no relationships. But they did live very 486 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: close to each other, and it was a close knit neighborhood. 487 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: It's possible. We'll have to wait for more details to 488 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: come out during the court process. Perhaps well, I mean 489 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 1: he had to have seen her in order to kill her. 490 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: Question who's was it, Jennifer, Well, there was there was 491 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: a report from an acquaintance that it was his BMW, 492 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: but that has not been confirmed by police. The Laitans 493 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: and the guy who said he was a friend of 494 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnson said that the BMW looked like Johnson Black BMW, 495 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: but again no confirmation yet from police were still waiting 496 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: to learn more in depth details about that. And Jennifer, 497 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: is it true he lived at home with his mother? 498 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: That is true. He was released from prison about three 499 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: months prior to this. I hid the two some court documents, 500 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: and then he was living with his mom at that time, 501 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: again not very far from more of her family homework. 502 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 1: And why was he in jail, Jennifer. There was a 503 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: number of charges, many drug related, as she will kie. 504 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: Can you imagine how many times he watched her in 505 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: that neighborhood, going in and out of the home with 506 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: her little boy until he finally murdered her. Yeah, that's 507 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: what's so horrible is again it goes to the premeditation 508 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: and these are You said it earlier, Nancy, and it 509 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: hits right on the spot. In this case. Predator, He 510 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: was a predator. There are predators out there. The other 511 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: thing I have to say is, you know, individuals like 512 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: this man do not care whether they're children or not. 513 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: They do not care if their victim is a mother. 514 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: That is something that they don't give any thought too. 515 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: You know. The other thing is he was down that 516 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 1: ravine and had to go to the hospital because he 517 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: tried to kill himself. He was very successful at murdering Sarah, 518 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: leaving her son without a mom but oops didn't work 519 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: on the suicide at TIMP. I mean we see that 520 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: all the time. Is it true? Jennifer Dowling n six 521 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: that he had cuts on his hands as well, he 522 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: had cuts on his neck and wrist. I did not 523 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: hear that he had cuts on his hand. I mean, 524 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: that's entirely possible. I just hadn't come across that information. 525 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: But the sheriff office did say that he did try 526 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: to kill himself and those wounds were a result of 527 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: that on his back end, wrist, and he was also 528 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: under what appeared to be a suicide watch for a 529 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: time while he was making his first appearances. Take a 530 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: Listen to our friends at Kath. It lasted a total 531 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: of forty seconds. Johnston entered a not guilty plea. But 532 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: there may be a lot more to this case, because 533 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: the court has also sealed records connected to Johnston's arrest 534 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: that might detail what authorities believe happened in this case. 535 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: Court documents also confirmed for the very first time that 536 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: authorities believed Johnston cut Sarah Zegoul's body into pieces after 537 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: allegedly killing her, a long cut clearly visible on his neck, 538 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: cuts that kept him in the hospital until he was 539 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,239 Speaker 1: booked into jail Wednesday night. Jeremiah Johnston didn't speak at 540 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: all during his brief court appearance. Attorney entered a not 541 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: guilty plea for Johnston to charges that he murdered twenty 542 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: eight year old actress and model Sarah zegoula Aloa. Sheriff's 543 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: investigators say they got a nine one one call last 544 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: Thursday from someone worried that Zegoul might be in danger. 545 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: They found her dismembered body inside this BMW sedan. This 546 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: map shows where Zigoul and Johnston both lived, where the 547 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: car was found near Johnston's home, and the site in 548 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: Beaverton where Johnston was taken into custody the night authorities 549 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: found Zagoule's remains. Okay, wait a minute, Jennifer dwlling, were 550 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: there two nine one calls because that said someone called 551 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: because they were concerned about Sarah's ugul's safety. Then there 552 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: was the nine on one call when they heard Johnson 553 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,719 Speaker 1: down a ravine after it has failed attempt at suicide. Well, 554 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: can you tell me about two nine one one calls. Well, 555 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: it's interesting that a call came in indicating that Sarah 556 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: could have been in the trunk of this car. And 557 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: it's I'm not sure if the caller said, yes, Sarah's 558 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: in that car or if they just said a body 559 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: in that car, But it's interesting that that was the 560 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: first call that tipped investigators ask to her body and 561 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: being able to locate her. And then the second nine 562 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: one call, of course, is equally as strange that this 563 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnson was in a ravine with neck wounds and 564 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: wrist wounds and calling for help again refusing to say 565 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: his name, and that's police picked him up fairly quickly 566 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: after that and took him to the hospital where he 567 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: was treated. And then a few days later he was 568 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: agonizing for the community to figure out exactly who might 569 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: be responsible for this crime, who was going to be 570 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: accused in this crime, because there was a lot of 571 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: fear and concern about who might have done this. And 572 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: it was a few days before his name was released 573 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: and the Sheriff's office reported on who they were charging 574 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: and it was a little bit agonizing. I mean, everybody 575 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: was concerned. I'm sure it was very agonizing with a 576 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: little boy without his mother. We have learned that Sarah's 577 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: body found inside Jeremiah Johnson's black BMW according to Johnson's 578 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: friend Chase Haverfield. We also know that he's facing charges 579 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: of murder and abuse of a corpse, which means, according 580 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: to ABC thirteen, there locally he is suspected I'm engaging 581 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: in sex activity with the corps or dismembering, mutilating, cutting, 582 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: or striking the corpse. Now we also know that that's 583 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: not all. Take a listen to our friends at Box twelve. 584 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: This is Brianna Kelly. Fox twelve has learned that a 585 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: man accused of killing a woman in Aloa almost a 586 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: year ago is now accused of trying to hire a 587 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: hitman from jail. Jeremiah Johnston pleaded not guilty last year 588 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: to charges he was facing in connection to the death 589 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: of twenty eight year old Sarah Zugoule. Foxwell's Brenna Kelly 590 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: is live in studio to explain what else we've learned 591 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: from this new indictment. Brenna Well Pete Norah. Jeremiah Johnson 592 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: was already facing charges of murder and abuse of corpse 593 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: in connection to the death of Sarah Zegoul, and now, 594 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: according to a superseding indictment file December tenth, prosecutors are 595 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: accusing him of trying to hire someone from jail to 596 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: kill a witness. This is months after he was charged 597 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: with the twenty eight year old woman's death. Court papers 598 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: show between May twenty eighth and July twenty sixth of 599 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: last year, Johnston tried to solicit a man to murder 600 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: a witness in criminal proceedings. Now, Johnston faces additional charges 601 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: including attempted aggravated murder, criminal conspiracy of a felony, and solicitation. 602 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: The original charges stem from January of last year. Court 603 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: documents accused Johnston of killing Zagoul on January twentieth. Deputies 604 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: say they found her body in a car and a 605 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: low of five days later, and Johnston was arrested several 606 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: hours after that. Records show her body was dismembered, and 607 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: Washington County deputies previously confirmed to us the two knew 608 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: each other, would have not revealed exactly how Friends at 609 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: Segouls say she was an actress and model and a 610 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: loving mother. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime story, 611 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye for