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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we were not invited to

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Speaker 1: Jay Glazier's annual day drinking event with all the NFL coaches.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal, I'm in Los Angeles. I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: my friend Nick Shook in Cleveland, and we are gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking coaches breakfast takeaways.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: I'm so ready. Although I'm a little disappointed that I

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Speaker 3: didn't get a few really embarrassing earlier morning photos from Phoenixes,

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Speaker 3: like sweaty Mike Tomlin. We didn't get sweaty Mike Tomalin

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 1: No, and that Jay Glazer get together, which apparently is

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Speaker 1: an annual event going on almost twenty years apparently, and

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Speaker 1: this is not surprising at all if you know Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin kickstarted with Glazer day drinking with Mike Tomlin at

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Speaker 1: one of these owners meetings, and then apparently it turned

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Speaker 1: into a thing where he invites every coach just hang

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Speaker 1: out relax. As Glazer said, sometimes the leaders need to

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Speaker 1: be taken care of who's thinking about them and just

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Speaker 1: you know, let their proverbial hair down. He got twenty

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Speaker 1: eight of the thirty two head coach ow to just

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Speaker 1: hang out around the pool and have some beers and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: Who are the squares, the four squares that didn't go?

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Speaker 2: I want to find out.

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Speaker 3: I could guess, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. We also were going to talk

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Speaker 1: about Dave Canals. He's a candidate maybe for one of

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Speaker 1: those that wouldn't be there, but I don't know. He

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Speaker 1: seems like a regular dude who's going to talk. What

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Speaker 1: I thought was a fascinating insight into the coach's photo,

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Speaker 1: which we talked about on Monday Show. But let's get

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Speaker 1: to the news and who really is always a reliable

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Speaker 1: quote this time of year, anytime of year, it's Sean Peyton,

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Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos coach. First of all, he just this

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Speaker 1: is as an aside. I thought it was very interesting

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Speaker 1: that his experience with the flag football, which took place

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, playing against Team USA, he said, was

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Speaker 1: very humbling and he would be very surprised if there's

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Speaker 1: even one single goal NFL player on the Olympics flag

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Speaker 1: football team. So in twenty twenty eight, I think that's

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Speaker 1: in astute observation. So Joe Burrow, you might get disappointed,

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Speaker 1: but let's get to the NFL of it all. I

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Speaker 1: liked this back and forth. I'm gonna get your your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on it right after. But it's Sean Payton and

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Speaker 1: a reporter kind of talking about some of the articles

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Speaker 1: that were in Denver about how come the Broncos aren't

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Speaker 1: doing anything. This was, of course, before the Jalen Wattle trade.

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Speaker 4: Let's yeah, I hear. I saw the stories right, all right,

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Speaker 4: and I don't I don't believe them. And so it's

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Speaker 4: not let's run it back. I hate that term. All right,

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Speaker 4: it's not let's run it back. Let's understand one thing.

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Speaker 4: It's anything but that when you win eleven to thirteen

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Speaker 4: one score games like you saw the flip in just

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Speaker 4: one season between Kansas City, it's how do you improve

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Speaker 4: your team? And the better you get, the harder it is.

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Speaker 2: To improve your team.

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Speaker 4: And so you just weren't patient enough for us to

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Speaker 4: trade for Wattle. Your stories had been written.

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Speaker 3: I see.

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Speaker 4: Oh come on, you had ten other suggestions too, And listen,

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Speaker 4: you can come get one of these jobs. Apply for one. Well,

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Speaker 4: I never feel good. I never feel good.

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Speaker 2: I love that. What are your thoughts, chick?

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Speaker 3: Come get one of these jobs, the job that you're

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Speaker 3: totally unqualified for. And I'm just gonna expose you for

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Speaker 3: it by saying this right now, because I'm feeling a

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Speaker 3: little angry today because i didn't like how you wrote

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Speaker 3: your stories. But I'm going to defend them real quick,

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Speaker 3: because it's not like they didn't do anything. They retained

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Speaker 3: some of their own They were able to keep their

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Speaker 3: pair of linebackers Alex Singleton and justineter Nod and and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean this is a team that finished with the

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Speaker 3: number one seed in the AFC. Maybe they like a

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Speaker 3: lot of what they had, and maybe their priorities were

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Speaker 3: to keep a lot of what they had and then

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Speaker 3: add a playmaker and Jalen. It is funny if there's

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Speaker 3: any coach at mint a Pick that's going to go

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Speaker 3: after a reporter who wants that reporter asked that question

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Speaker 3: about the content that they produced to all the Broncos

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Speaker 3: were perceived as sitting on their hands. It's Sean Payton.

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Speaker 3: It is Sean Payton to a t. Nobody holds a

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Speaker 3: vendetta like Sean Payton. And this is kind of, I guess,

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Speaker 3: the perfect place. It's casual enough for him to just

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Speaker 3: go after the guy and set the record straight, at

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, that's his love language. I think

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Speaker 1: he's only doing it with someone. I don't think he's mad.

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Speaker 1: I think he's having fun. I think this is how

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Speaker 1: like I share that with John Pain. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's working that going after people as my love language.

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Speaker 2: I don't have that many people.

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Speaker 3: No, I actually think that's one of my favorite attributes

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Speaker 3: of you. Greg. You know, not to turn this into

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Speaker 3: a shower Greg with compliments session here, but I mean

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Speaker 3: on once you figure out that when Greg comes at you,

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Speaker 3: he's actually expressing love, it's it's the best thing in

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Speaker 3: the world. You're no longer on the defensive. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: we were bringing that in closer here, let's hug.

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Speaker 1: It gets tricky when you have kids, though you know,

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Speaker 1: not every kid can be ty. You create dry, yeah,

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Speaker 1: parented the same way. I have my son here, Walker,

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Speaker 1: who's playing the Wii in silence. I said, as long

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Speaker 1: as he stayed quiet in the grindge. He doesn't really

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Speaker 1: respond to that, so you know I've changed. I've changed course.

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Speaker 1: There Sean Payton, though, loves it, and I do take

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Speaker 1: a few things away from that. First of all, you

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Speaker 1: hate the idea of running it back, and I agree

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Speaker 1: that never works, and I've been worried about that when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the Broncos that you bring back the

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Speaker 1: same team, it usually just doesn't work. You know, George

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Speaker 1: rid of Drake Greenlow because we really like those other

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Speaker 1: two linebackers that you said. And they might use Jonah

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Speaker 1: get it. Jalen Watta will add something. They might change

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Speaker 1: their number two quarterback. Sean Payton said that job could

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Speaker 1: be Sam Elleners or Jared Stidham and maybe Jarretts Didham

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Speaker 1: could still be traded. But the most telling thing was

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, because coaches know, I mean, they'll say this

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Speaker 3: time and time again, but they especially know how hard

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Speaker 3: it is to repeat success from year to year because

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Speaker 3: so many things have to go right. You got to

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Speaker 3: stay healthy, you got to have the schedule kind of

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Speaker 3: streak at the right time. Broncos did all of that.

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Speaker 3: They also won a lot of close games by just

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Speaker 3: it is to repeat that. But I give them some credit.

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Speaker 3: The only thing that I really worry about roster wise

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Speaker 3: Dobbin's back and everything else, but I would have really

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Speaker 3: liked for them to make an addition there. And the

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Speaker 3: draft is still ahead, so they still have time to

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Speaker 3: make additions. But yeah, I agree with you that it's

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Speaker 3: I think there are some challenges that you can kind

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Speaker 3: of project and some that you can't see coming, and

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Speaker 3: it leads to some occasional disappointment. Not saying Broncos fans

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Speaker 3: that I believe you're going to be disappointed. Okay, don't

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Speaker 3: come as me. We're already on bad terms because of Bonix.

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Speaker 3: I get that, but you know this is just part

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Speaker 1: But you were a little lucky last year, and you

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Speaker 1: don't have to take my life for your head coach

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Speaker 1: is saying it. I love a head coach kind of

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Speaker 1: acknowledge that that we weren't quite as good as the

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Speaker 1: record or a lot of things went our way. But also,

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Speaker 1: you know, Sean Payton's getting up there in years. He's

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Speaker 1: got a great team, he has turned around a disastrous situation,

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Speaker 1: and he said he's never happy, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: life is sure. I think he is finding happiness and

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Speaker 1: he expresses it in different ways, but I hope he

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Speaker 1: can find some happiness also finding happiness as a first

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Speaker 1: time head coach. Jesse Mintor, I've been talking about the

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Speaker 1: Nomdae Matabek situation all off season, thinking that is the

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Speaker 1: most important news for the Ravens. Either they get one

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Speaker 1: they have a big hole in their defensive line. Mintor

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Speaker 1: did not say if Matta Week is coming back, but

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Speaker 1: that that just indicates to me it was about I

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Speaker 1: think the mentality of Matt if Madabike wanted to play

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Speaker 1: mentioned when asked about fourth downs whether it'd be aggressive,

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Speaker 1: he said, well, Lamar Jackson's one of the best fourth

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Speaker 3: Both good news for the Raven So I missed in

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Speaker 3: a little scouting of the roster he's about to coach,

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Speaker 3: so good on. Jesse mentioned for that he's Dennis research.

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Speaker 3: You're right though, Matta Buka is a huge part of

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Speaker 3: this defense. They couldn't stop the run. They couln't stop

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the season last year, and of

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Speaker 3: course Lamar Jackson's injury coincided with that. Getting him back

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Speaker 3: he dealt with, the neck injury for an interior lineman

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Speaker 3: for interior lineman whose heads are just more involved on

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Speaker 3: have months to determine whether that's the case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm watching that. I think it's it's really

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Speaker 1: big for their team. I was surprised to see the

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Speaker 1: Ravens have the highest projected so early over under win total.

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Speaker 2: We might take a look at that in.

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Speaker 1: An upcoming episode, but that getting a little over our skis.

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Speaker 1: I think one team that does not have a higher

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Speaker 1: win total than really any AFT team is your Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 1: Todd Mounkin spoke, and I thought it was interesting. He

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Speaker 1: said the reps in the quarterback battle won't be even.

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Speaker 1: He said how last season ended matters a lot, and

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Speaker 1: so he's going to favor some quarterbacks over others. On

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, he said he hasn't gone back and watch

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Speaker 1: a lot of film, and that he knows he's going

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Speaker 1: to be on the roster. He knows he'll evaluate him

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Speaker 1: set o give him a shot. But what are your

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Speaker 1: takeaways from hearing this from Monkin?

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Speaker 2: Early?

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Speaker 3: So, I collected an assortment of Todd Munkin responses, and

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Speaker 3: what we got was I don't know if it was

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Speaker 3: a masterclass, but it was definitely a veteran example of

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Speaker 3: how to give a bunch of non answers and leave

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Speaker 3: everybody guessing when it comes to the quarterback. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: first quote, what I've seen over the years, I'm hoping

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Speaker 3: to tap into that. That's in relation to Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 3: Second quote, I know he's going to be on the roster.

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Speaker 3: I know we're going to evaluate him. Third quote, We're

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Speaker 1: That was the one against the Brown So there, that

435
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Speaker 1: was in London and he got them to win in

436
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Speaker 1: that game. Because I fully believe in his talent. I

437
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Speaker 1: think he's one of the best number two wide receivers

438
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Speaker 1: in the league very much. You know, not quite at

439
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Speaker 1: the level of DeVante Smith in Jalen Waddle, but in

440
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Speaker 1: terms of the contract that he would get, I see

441
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Speaker 1: them in the same kind of bucket of players that

442
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Speaker 1: maybe you're not a top twenty receiver those two guys

443
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Speaker 1: might be, but you're pretty close to that. And man,

444
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Speaker 1: that is worth a lot as long as he can

445
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Speaker 1: stay on tack. And I mentioned Anton Harrison that was

446
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Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't sure that they would. He's had

447
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Speaker 1: a very I wouldn't say up and down career, but

448
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Speaker 1: there's some years where he's looked great as a tackle.

449
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Speaker 1: You also noticed that Liam Cohen said, Travis Hunter very

450
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Speaker 1: well ahead in recovery. This is that time of year

451
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Speaker 1: where everyone's ahead and recovery.

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Speaker 2: But good to hear.

453
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Speaker 3: This was a fifth year option too, that I think

454
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Speaker 3: is the product of all the vibes are good right

455
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Speaker 3: now because we finished strong last year and we believe

456
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Speaker 3: in our Yeah and yeah with Harrison, Yeah, because like,

457
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Speaker 3: let's think about their offense now explosively became as a

458
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Speaker 3: passing offense. Of course you're gonna at least, you know,

459
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Speaker 3: pick up the fifth year guy or the fifth year

460
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Speaker 3: option on a guy who is important to protecting your

461
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Speaker 3: quarterback and continuing that explosive offense. So, I mean, his

462
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Speaker 3: grades have kind of gone up and down. At least

463
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Speaker 3: scored in a PFF last year he had his career

464
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Speaker 3: best performance. Some of that I believe is related to

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Speaker 3: the offense's success. And it's less than twenty million for

466
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Speaker 3: the fifth year option on a former first rounder, so

467
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Speaker 3: it makes sense. But it's not necessarily a sign that

468
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Speaker 3: they're going to retain him long term. He's still going

469
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Speaker 3: to have to earn that.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was great two years ago. So that

471
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Speaker 1: was what the twenty twenty three season. And then yeah,

472
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Speaker 1: and then maybe it was a little bit of a dip,

473
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Speaker 1: but good context. Sad for everyone that that lost their

474
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Speaker 1: jobs at PFF. By the way you're mentioning, it just

475
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Speaker 1: seems like they've completely given up on content, which sucks.

476
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Speaker 1: To see a lot of great people like Trevor Sikkima

477
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Speaker 1: over there, and so I know a lot of them

478
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Speaker 1: will will bounce back, but yeah, I might have to

479
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Speaker 1: cancel that PFF subscription.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the Jets too.

481
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Speaker 1: It's just cracking me up how much Aaron Glenn is

482
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Speaker 1: just talking about, like the Gino Smith is the answer

483
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Speaker 1: to our prayers, everything that we want to be, all

484
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Speaker 1: this stuff they're using AI more in the building, which

485
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Speaker 1: has me a little concerned. I don't know what you're

486
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Speaker 1: talking about there. And then he was like, we're gonna

487
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Speaker 1: be a little more multiple. We're gonna do more three four,

488
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Speaker 1: you know, four to three. We're not going to be

489
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Speaker 1: as static. I just think that's one of the things

490
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Speaker 1: to watch this season. Aaron Glenn has not really adjusted

491
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Speaker 1: his defense for a while. He is now in charge

492
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Speaker 1: of the defense. He has to make this thing work

493
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Speaker 1: or else he's going to be gone and he's got

494
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Speaker 1: to make it work. Early in the season, Let's go

495
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Speaker 1: to the Dolphins where John Eric Sullivan is the new

496
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Speaker 1: Dolphins GM. I thought it was interesting. He's had some

497
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Speaker 1: interesting quotes in general, but he mentioned that the three

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Speaker 1: pillars of their roster are Devin h Chan not going

499
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Speaker 1: to trade him, Jordan Brooks the linebacker, and Aaron Brewer

500
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Speaker 1: the center. Those are the three pillars that they're building around.

501
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Speaker 1: Not exactly the way bearing walls that the Rams talked

502
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Speaker 1: about years ago, where it was like Aaron Donald and

503
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Speaker 1: yeah Stafford of course, and think who the other the

504
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Speaker 1: waite bearing walls were, but yeah, maybe Cooper Cup at

505
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Speaker 1: the time was but then that wall fell apart. Yeah,

506
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Speaker 1: but but really good players, and I think just interesting

507
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Speaker 1: that he mentioned those three. He also mentioned on the

508
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Speaker 1: offensive line how they have two spots that they feel

509
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Speaker 1: great about Patrick Paul at left tackle and Aaron Brewer

510
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Speaker 1: at center. And I'm thinking, oh, well, if I'm right

511
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Speaker 1: tackle Austin Jackson, who they invested a lot of money

512
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Speaker 1: and in the old regime, M'd be like, huh, well,

513
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Speaker 1: oh am, I not long for this team. So not

514
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Speaker 1: the interesting how the new regime views like the roster

515
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Speaker 1: they inherited.

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Speaker 3: Not their guy. It's funny because you look at this

517
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Speaker 3: roster and how they've had to tear it down in

518
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Speaker 3: this rebuild, and then you compare it to the stance

519
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Speaker 3: that the new regime is taking, which is, you know,

520
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Speaker 3: very optimistic and kind of trying to oversell a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I believe Jeff Hafley was talking about how, you know,

522
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Speaker 3: he still feels good about the roster and they have

523
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Speaker 3: playmakers and everything else, but it's a work in progress,

524
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, Okay, first year honeymoon phase is going

525
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Speaker 3: on right now, and you're trying to tell everybody and

526
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Speaker 3: sell your plan that you have, you know, a long

527
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Speaker 3: term vision for what this team should be. But it's

528
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Speaker 3: interesting that they're kind of doing a baseball team approach

529
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Speaker 3: and building through the middle, like pitcher and middle infielder.

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Speaker 3: They're going a Chan as an explosive running back, Brewer

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Speaker 3: as one of the best centers in the NFL, you know,

532
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Speaker 3: as a finalist to win the Protector of the Year.

533
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Speaker 3: And then Jordan Brooks, who I have always really appreciated,

534
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Speaker 3: I feel like has been a little underrated in his

535
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Speaker 3: career yeah, it makes some sense, but I just know

536
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Speaker 3: that they are so far away that when I'm doing

537
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Speaker 3: working on my first mock draft, right which will I

538
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Speaker 3: believe will be up tomorrow, And I got to the

539
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Speaker 3: Dolphins and I'm thinking, like, well, you could go in

540
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Speaker 3: a number of different directions because they have needs all

541
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Speaker 3: over the place. But me being trenches guy, I'm like,

542
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Speaker 3: I'm looking back at offensive line, not telling you who,

543
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Speaker 3: but I'm telling you that Aaron Brewer might have a

544
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Speaker 3: new buddy lined up on one side of him as

545
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Speaker 3: they continue this rebuild.

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Speaker 2: They could use a guard. I think I can guess

547
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Speaker 2: who it is, but we don't want to.

548
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Speaker 1: We don't want to reveal anything too quickly. Let's go

549
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Speaker 1: to Mike McCarthy. Keep clocking this story to me that

550
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Speaker 1: he can't believe how lucky he is to be the

551
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Speaker 1: Steelers coach. I don't think it's the greatest sign in

552
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Speaker 1: the world. He was like, it is just so surreal

553
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Speaker 1: to him. I don't think he expected to get hired

554
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Speaker 1: a third time, much less with the Steelers. I don't

555
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Speaker 1: know if I'd like that vibe. I did think it

556
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Speaker 1: was funny that he noted in his first ever coach's

557
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Speaker 1: breakfast in I think two thousand and six, he was

558
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Speaker 1: being asked a question about whether his quarterback, then Brett Favre,

559
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Speaker 1: was gonna come back or not. And now here he is,

560
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Speaker 1: twenty years later, being asked about Aaron Rodgers, who he

561
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Speaker 1: says he feels good about in texts multiple times a week.

562
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Speaker 1: This is it's obvious that this thing is happening, and

563
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Speaker 1: it's just annoying that it's it's not official, but to

564
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Speaker 1: me it's official, but also maybe not like the best

565
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Speaker 1: sign for your organization that your coach is revealed, like

566
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Speaker 1: you're just revisiting like what the Packers were going through

567
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Speaker 1: twenty years ago with the same guy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, there's something strange about it. Well, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a break from convention when they hired him,

570
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Speaker 3: because usually they went with young and upcoming coaches, and

571
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Speaker 3: instead they with a guy with a ton of experience

572
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Speaker 3: that he can then lean on in situations like this,

573
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Speaker 3: which I kind of think that maybe they needed in

574
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Speaker 3: one way or another. And a lot of that has

575
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Speaker 3: to do with the quarterback situation. Now. Obviously, when he

576
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Speaker 3: was hired, the immediate connection was made Aaron Rodgers and well,

577
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Speaker 3: maybe this will convince Rogers to come back. I don't

578
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Speaker 3: know if it was really that deep, but it does

579
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Speaker 3: help them at this point. But it is like funny

580
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Speaker 3: that this is a guy who has coached at big

581
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Speaker 3: time you know, franchises. You know, he's coached the Packers,

582
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Speaker 3: he's coached the Cowboys, he's been to a Super Bowl,

583
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Speaker 3: he's won a Super Bowl, he's been in big time games,

584
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Speaker 3: and now he's just like walking around like, gee, whiz,

585
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Speaker 3: isn't this just the best? I'm the coach of my

586
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Speaker 3: hometown team.

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Speaker 1: It's very endearing and likable in general. I just and also, yeah,

588
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Speaker 1: I think as you get older and he is that

589
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Speaker 1: we are all that. I think you appreciate things maybe

590
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Speaker 1: a little more. I think he's appreciating the hell out

591
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Speaker 1: of this moment. Let's actually listen to McCarthy. I didn't

592
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Speaker 1: realize we had sound. We got sound from McCarthy Roberts

593
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Speaker 1: in the you know, in the mills. Finding all the

594
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Speaker 1: great sound on Tuesday.

595
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Speaker 2: Was my first.

596
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Speaker 4: First time doing this, and the first question was about

597
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Speaker 4: a veteran quarterback whether he's gonna come back or not.

598
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Speaker 1: So it's a big days of voo.

599
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Speaker 3: But no, it's HiT's so good.

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Speaker 2: It's been very positive, and we'll just continue to talk.

601
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Speaker 2: So we talked regularly, all right.

602
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Speaker 1: He talks regularly with with Aaron Rodgers also talking regularly.

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Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel thought it was interesting. He really stressed how

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Speaker 1: inefficient he believed they were running the football last year,

605
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Speaker 1: said the explosive plays they had hid how they really

606
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Speaker 1: weren't that good running something that we were hitting on

607
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Speaker 1: a lot on this show. That's interesting, and that their

608
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Speaker 1: offseason moves were directed to try to fix that. I

609
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Speaker 1: wonder if moving Will Campbell inside could potentially be.

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Speaker 2: Part of that.

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Speaker 1: But they signed Julian Hill, who's a good tight end.

612
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Speaker 1: They signed Reggie Gilliam who's a fullback from the Bills,

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Speaker 1: and so they've made some moves with with thinking about

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Speaker 1: the running game, Mike Rabel saying he wants all the

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Speaker 1: tight ends quote unquote, and that is going to be geared.

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Speaker 1: So something we were talking about was like people were

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Speaker 1: saying that they had a good running game, but it

618
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Speaker 1: was really boom or bust. Also asked about his old

619
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Speaker 1: friend AJ Brown. It's our daily Aj Brown update. Let's

620
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Speaker 1: listen to what Mike Brabil.

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Speaker 2: Had to say.

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Speaker 7: We we've talked about this since last January. We're gonna

623
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Speaker 7: try to do everything we can to strengthen our roster

624
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Speaker 7: through the draft, through free agency, multiple ways of player acquisition.

625
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Speaker 7: So anything that we can continue to do to strengthen

626
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Speaker 7: the roster, we're going to try to do.

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Speaker 1: M okay as everyone at this time of the year,

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Speaker 1: I know, but not shutting it down.

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Speaker 2: Not shutting down. He's sick of answering that question.

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Speaker 1: Also, apparently he just absolutely destroyed a orange juice on

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Speaker 1: while he was sitting there. So we've been saying, we've

632
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Speaker 1: been noticed there's less breakfast being consumed during the coach's breakfast,

633
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Speaker 1: but Rabel's down in that. OJ didn't do it in

634
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Speaker 1: one gulf, but you know, puts it down pretty quickly,

635
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Speaker 1: you know, hits it again, you know, the mamle O

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Speaker 1: day drink.

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Speaker 3: See see this. First off, shout out to Eric, I

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Speaker 3: my goodness, the collection of clips of him sipping this

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Speaker 3: orange juice and it's not sipping, it's gulping. Fantastic work

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Speaker 3: on your part, super producer, Eric Roberts. But also this

641
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 3: makes me think and yet another reason for why I

642
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: would love to play for Mike Vrabel and run through

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Speaker 3: a brick wall for him because that's how I consume

644
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Speaker 3: my beverage as well. So no shade on taking healthy.

645
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: Gulps potentially dehydrated from the night before.

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Speaker 3: But vitamin C gets back to life.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Lions.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to note there was a story about

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Speaker 1: how they made Frank rag Now who once played through

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Speaker 1: like a punctured lung and all sorts of other presture

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Speaker 1: problems pay you know, payback is signing bonus, which has

652
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Speaker 1: happened for many of these lines over the years. It

653
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: was a day after a Taylor Decker story where the

654
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: left tackle didn't feel like the Lions really dealt with them,

655
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: dealt with him on a fair level after he decided

656
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Speaker 1: to return. I think they wanted them to take a

657
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Speaker 1: pay cut, and there was some misunderstanding between the two

658
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: and Dan Campbell's done a great job, Brad Holmes has

659
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: done a great job. But you know, the ownership structure

660
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Speaker 1: hasn't changed. It was just a reminder like that maybe

661
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes are still, you know, having

662
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Speaker 1: to deal with some organizational issues that have led to

663
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Speaker 1: the Lions being who the Lions have been over the

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Speaker 1: last thirty forty years.

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing is, as you turn the corner

666
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Speaker 3: toward being a successful franchise, sometimes it's hard to shake

667
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: those old habits. You might be able to paper over

668
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: them with victories, but small things like this still point toward,

669
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Speaker 3: you know, some organizational deficiencies, weaknesses, whatever you might want

670
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Speaker 3: to see them as it. That's kind of crazy. I'm

671
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: not gonna lie, that's kind of crazy. But we are

672
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: also in an nfay with old guard ownership and then new,

673
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: much wealthier ownership, and we haven't quite cleared that gap yet.

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Speaker 2: The last name is Ford.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know that, but I still look I

676
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Speaker 3: know the die hard.

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Speaker 1: I get it, but and that's how they've always operated.

678
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Speaker 1: Just it's disappointing, and I know lyon I know it's

679
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: going to be on Lions fans radars because they they

680
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Speaker 1: have a long history of you know, loving their players,

681
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Speaker 1: but not loving the ownership. And seeing this how they're

682
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Speaker 1: treating some of their best players over the last handful

683
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Speaker 1: of years is really disappointing. Speaking of ownership, Jed York,

684
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers owner, on Sunday revealed that when

685
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Speaker 1: asked about Christian Kirk, that he didn't know Christian Kirk

686
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Speaker 1: was on the roster. He also mentioned he hoped Brian

687
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Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk could play for the team this year, which

688
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Speaker 1: I honestly just think it's a little bit of a

689
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Speaker 1: red flag that he is so disconnected from knowing what

690
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Speaker 1: was happening, because there's no way Brandon Ayuk is playing for.

691
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Speaker 2: The team this year.

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Speaker 1: And like, it's not great that that the average casual

693
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Speaker 1: maybe not casual and fan, casual forty nine ers fan

694
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Speaker 1: would know that, and like a lot of a lot

695
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Speaker 1: of people, I would say that follow the NFL would

696
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: have already known that Kristen Kirk is on the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers and the.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there's there's two ways to look at this though,

699
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: because you can either see it as oh no, the

700
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: owner's unplugged. This is a bad sign, but it's also

701
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: a strong sign and how good your your regime group

702
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: is at doing their job at John Lynch and Kyle

703
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: Shanahan managing everything so that Jed York doesn't have to

704
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: get involved, because conversely, you would have an owner that's

705
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: meddling and messing up the operation. But I did think

706
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Speaker 3: it was funny when our insiders did a hit on

707
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Speaker 3: Good Morning Football this morning and they started talking about Brandon.

708
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Speaker 3: I you can there's still that Niners logo next to

709
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: him because they haven't resolved it yet, but everybody knows

710
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Speaker 3: that he's not going to be on that team. Or

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Speaker 3: I was like, hmm, interesting that that that's still he's

712
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: still associated with the forty nine ers. And maybe that's

713
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: just the world that Jed's living in right now.

714
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe he watches GMFB with the sound off

715
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: and just sees the name.

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Speaker 3: There and yeah, that's our guy.

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Speaker 2: I thinks this is great.

718
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Speaker 1: The NFL announced that the Seahawks are going to be

719
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: the hard Knocks team this year and the Patriots are

720
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: going to be the hard Knocked team next year. They've

721
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: never announced it a year ahead. Very interesting that it's

722
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: going to be the two Super Bowl teams from this

723
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Speaker 1: year and that they get a year ahead on the Patriots.

724
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: But pretty cool that the Seahawks did it. My theory

725
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: is that this was a I'm not gonna say, dining

726
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: property for NFL films, but it's lost interest struggle from

727
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: the struggling. I think it gets okay ratings within HBO

728
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: and everything, but in terms of conversation, like I'll just

729
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: admit I've kind of ducked out of watching Hard Knocks lately,

730
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: and it's almost like we're gonna make you do this,

731
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: or or the Seahawks, We're willing to do it.

732
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: And yeah, a defending champ on Hard Knocks pretty cool.

733
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think that there's a couple of avenues

734
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: with this that are kind of interesting. One, you have

735
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: to acknowledge the fact that we live in a different

736
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: world than we did when Hard Knocks first debuted, you know,

737
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: with the Ravens going on to win the Super Bowl

738
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Speaker 3: and everything else right and all the captivating moments that

739
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: came from that, we have more access now than we

740
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 3: did then. I mean exponentially more access now than we

741
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: did then. We also are dealing with players who are

742
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: now properly trained in media to say all of the

743
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: right things, so that you don't get as many of

744
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: those genuine, candid moments that you would ten, fifteen, twenty

745
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: years ago. So of course the allure is going to

746
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: decline a little bit. But I wonder, and I worry

747
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: a little bit about scheduling two teams in advance, the

748
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: two Super Bowl teams, one this year and one next year.

749
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: If that's going to be end up being a mistake

750
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: the year after, or if it's really not going to.

751
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: Matter at all, Mike Rabo will be there whether they're

752
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: coming off a bad season or a good season. That's

753
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: a compelling organization to hit because we've never really seen

754
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, and so I think that part of

755
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: it is fine. And look, I think that's a great point.

756
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: Everyone's grown up now with reality TV.

757
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: I just think.

758
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: There's so much football behind the scenes. There's so many documentaries,

759
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: there's so many self produced team NFL that it just

760
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: the market is flood.

761
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: We all operate as if there's a camera president at

762
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: all times. Like the authenticity of like the true authentic

763
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: moment of twenty five years ago is no longer there.

764
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Speaker 1: No, You're you're getting raw. You're getting raw sixty percent

765
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: g all the time. This is who I am. I'm

766
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: not playing for the cameras at all. So let's finish

767
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: with a guy who does play for the cameras.

768
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: He admitted it.

769
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: A fascinating moment from Dave Canalis on Good Morning Football,

770
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: reacting to Kyle Brandt, who did his annual look at

771
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: the coach's photo and commenting just how nice Canalis, his

772
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: shirt looked in terms of the thread count, how you know,

773
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: in shape, he looked, his hair looked great, like he

774
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: was fresh from barber. Here is Canalis's response to that.

775
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 8: I do know there was some strategy to where you

776
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 8: stand in the staff photo. So you know, you got

777
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 8: to position yourself next to people that may or may

778
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Speaker 8: not make you look a little better, and certainly a

779
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 8: strategically on the opposite side of you know, who's like

780
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 8: the guy, so you can see Matt and I have

781
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 8: at least twelve feet of distance. You know, there's so

782
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 8: there's some framing in there. You know, I'm not gonna

783
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 8: say any names, but there's a little strategy behind me.

784
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: Wow, I love it. Jordan and I talked after getting

785
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: Canalis on the show. He's a really compelling guy on camera,

786
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: very likable, but I always feel like there's like a

787
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: real Canalist behind it all that I want to get

788
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: to know, like a little better. He presents publicly very well,

789
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: and I thought that was really telling because he positioned himself,

790
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: Like he said, there's some strategy of where you want

791
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: to be. He is right next to between Mike McCarthy

792
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 1: and Kellen Moore.

793
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Speaker 3: That's so unfair.

794
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: He's the one that said it though. That's why this

795
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: is amazing.

796
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: This you want to talk about, you know, bulletin board material, coaches,

797
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: never talking any trash. If I'm McCarthy or the guy

798
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: in his division, Kellen Moore, and he's saying he's strategic,

799
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: and then I was like, well, it'd be really interesting

800
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: to find out the two he's next to, and then

801
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: those were the two.

802
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: I'm just I think there was some intent behind it.

803
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: I love it. I love this sho.

804
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 3: Also, he did a great job of putting Kellen Morbis

805
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 3: when him and Dimico ryans so that like, right, here's

806
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: the crew of the guys, here's the guys that stayed

807
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: in shape. Here's the guys that drank too much and

808
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 3: let themselves get you know, let their physical state get

809
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: away from them. Good on him, But you know what

810
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: that response, I'm gonna go all the way back to

811
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: the front of the show here. That response tells me

812
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: that I think it was a little unfair that you

813
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: thought Dave Canalis might not have been at Jay Glazer's party.

814
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: Because that guy who answers like that and is thinking

815
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: that head, he's down to hang, he's down to hang.

816
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: He has like he wrote a book, he has talked

817
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: about recovery. Recovery right, doesn't have the drinks, but hanging out. Yeah, yeah,

818
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: that that's fair, just fascinating. I wish that we had

819
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: the AFC coaches back so someone could ask McCarthy, Uh,

820
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: you know what you think of canals as comments like

821
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: keep this going as a news cycle and yeah, as

822
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: a man who is in great shape, check I mean it.

823
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: I hate to think that in a similar situation like

824
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: the NFL, you know, team photos they used to take

825
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: talent team photos, that you were thinking about that in

826
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: such a way. Oh I got a position myself next

827
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Speaker 1: to Rosenthal.

828
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: No, no, god, I am.

829
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Speaker 2: You're not.

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00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 5: No.

831
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 3: The height would would just not be good for the lineup.

832
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: And plus they never bought people with that different good

833
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: for you to each other of course, Yeah, but I

834
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: don't need to do that. Okay. That's like when it

835
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 3: comes to heights, punching down, that's punching down. It is

836
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: punching down a little bit. But I will say literally,

837
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: I would make sure if I was in the coaches photo,

838
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: to put somebody between me and Robert Salad because I

839
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: would probably be wearing the same thing he was wearing.

840
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: That man's got a better build than I did.

841
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair, but this this is absolutely a story

842
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: I am going to track for the rest of the

843
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: season or if nothing else, just bring it up all

844
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: the time, especially.

845
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: When the Panthers in Saint's play.

846
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: Let's take a break on the other side. Should have

847
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of the show we got a

848
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: special guest. Yeah, it's one of our main hosts. It's

849
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: Jordan Rodrieke. She's boots on the ground at the owner's meetings.

850
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: We'll talk about rule changes everything else you've been hearing

851
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: back on NFL Daily for one of my favorite annual segments,

852
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: Jordan rodrig buy a pool in a hotel or at

853
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: a hotel that she could not afford to stay at,

854
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: but the NFL owners can welcome.

855
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: Jordan.

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Speaker 5: How are you doing, Hi, I'm great. I love the

857
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Speaker 5: Phoenix builtmore.

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Speaker 9: It's fantastic.

859
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Speaker 5: There are it's a prime lurking area if you do

860
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Speaker 5: my job and you need to listen to other people

861
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Speaker 5: talk to each other and then have meetings, you know,

862
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 5: on various pop gets by pools around the Circle bar.

863
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 9: Everybody watched the Duke.

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Speaker 5: Game earlier this week, that caused quite the stir down

865
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Speaker 5: at the Circle bar when a lot of people miss

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Speaker 5: their privileged sessions because of that camp.

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Speaker 9: Oh wow, yeah it was. It was a vibe.

868
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's I'm happy to see you guys, but

869
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 5: I am not unhappy to be sitting where I am currently.

870
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I don't I don't envy you, and yet

871
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm happy. I'm happy for you. Wait, what's the like

872
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: lurking strategy?

873
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: What are you getting out of this?

874
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 9: Yeah?

875
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: Are you meeting with some people? What? What? What is

876
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: the Jordan rod Rieg strategy here?

877
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 9: Yes, it's to never stay still for too long? First

878
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 9: of all.

879
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 5: So there are a couple of areas. I'll keep my

880
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 5: favorite one private. But there are a couple of areas

881
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 5: where you know you're always going to see people and

882
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 5: where you're always going to run into people. A that

883
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 5: you need to talk to, or be that you need

884
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 5: to get some face time with, or see that you

885
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 5: maybe talk to you on the phone a lot or

886
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 5: text a lot, but don't get a lot of times

887
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 5: to get FaceTime with.

888
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 9: So I like to be out. This is my favorite one.

889
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 5: This is better than the Orlando or Jacksonville or Breakers

890
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 5: or any Palm Beach ones because the layout is really simple.

891
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 5: There's the pool, where I'd never go because it's all

892
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 5: the coaches partying and I just feel like I don't

893
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 5: belong there.

894
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 9: And then and then there's.

895
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 5: The circle bar area, and there's a lot of patio

896
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 5: chairs and tables and everything, and that's a great place

897
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 5: to lurk. Then there's the lobby where people have no

898
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 5: choice but to walk past you back and forth between

899
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 5: their meetings. And then there's the walkway between the meeting

900
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 5: session rooms and the lobby, whereas another again a good place,

901
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 5: and my last place is my favorite, which I will

902
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 5: not share, but let me just tell you, Oh, nobody

903
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 5: would survive this event if not for this one particular

904
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 5: spot on site, and that is where I park outside.

905
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 9: So that's got to see everyone. They must go there.

906
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: I can guess.

907
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess.

908
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: It's not like a lot of sizzle. Sorry you jump

909
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: in next.

910
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: But like the.

911
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: Rules that they passed on Tuesday as we're taping, not exciting,

912
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: like you can now do an on site kick anytime

913
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: of the game.

914
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: Like they're changing the team's incentive to.

915
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: When they kick off from the fifty yard line where

916
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: they were just kicking out about it. It's just like little

917
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: small things they did expand you know, replay in terms

918
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: of obvious officiating mistake, so that that could have a

919
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: big impact.

920
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: But like, what's the buzz.

921
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: In terms, it just doesn't feel like there's a in

922
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: terms of changing the league. It's it's not a season

923
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: like that.

924
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: No, it's been very calm, and that's been kind of awesome.

925
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 9: I would say too.

926
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 5: It was not a really buzzy coaching cycle either, not

927
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 5: a buzzy hiring cycle. I was talking to a couple

928
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 5: of people who thought the two kind of went hand

929
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 5: in hand where there wasn't some like person or catalytic

930
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 5: figure causing buzz or some disruptor or anything like that.

931
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 9: You know, it's kind of a very calm.

932
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 5: Coaching cycle, a lot of retread coach of a couple

933
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 5: very unknown, kind of unproven guys.

934
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 9: And then also it's been a quiet rule cycle.

935
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 5: The tush push basically has not been mentioned other than

936
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 5: people saying, hey, I remember last year when all we

937
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 5: talked about was the tush push and what I've both

938
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 5: disliked and liked one. It's been calmer, so the buzzier stuff,

939
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 5: you know, didn't even get a chance to hit the

940
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: floor before I was rescinded this is the draft picks proposal.

941
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 5: But then it's also like been just a lot of

942
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 5: football talk, which is more my vibe. I don't really

943
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 5: care as much about the rule stuff. The football talk

944
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 5: has been cool because it's also a lot of guys

945
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 5: that know each other. It's a very incestuous coaching landscape

946
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 5: right now. A lot of siblings, like literal siblings, and

947
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 5: then a lot of like coaching siblings too, from the

948
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 5: same trees, interconnecting coaching trees, so everybody really knows each

949
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 5: other for the most part, and everybody it's one of

950
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 5: those calm events where everybody's just actually talking a lot

951
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 5: of football, which I have personally quite enjoyed, but it's

952
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 5: also not super exciting for the news cycles.

953
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 3: One of those coaches that you know came from one

954
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: of those trees that has now spawned his own tree.

955
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: And somebody that you know very well, obviously Sean McVay.

956
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: Is it me or did he seem like he was

957
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 3: a little chattier this year than usual or maybe more

958
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 3: just landed on my radar?

959
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 9: Okay, here's the lore.

960
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 5: This is my favorite thing about these meetings the lore

961
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 5: and yes, you're correct, a lot chattier.

962
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 9: Awake and in good health in the morning. I'll just say.

963
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 5: Because it used to be that it used to be

964
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 5: that the NFC coaches would go and do their table

965
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 5: sessions in the morning at it's always been early as hell,

966
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 5: and they would always do the sessions first thing in

967
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 5: the morning, and NFC would always go the day after

968
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 5: the big party that the league hosts where they absolutely

969
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 5: blow out the budget and they it's an open bar

970
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 5: for hours.

971
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 9: It's a band and entertainment and it's.

972
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 5: You know, there was a petting zoo and all this stuff,

973
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 5: and like there's all this stuff that happens, and that's

974
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 5: an open bar. That is a night that people kind

975
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 5: of go a little bit harder. And then usually they'd

976
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 5: make the NFC coaches for year over year, over ye

977
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 5: over year, they'd make the NFC coaches go the next morning.

978
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 9: The theory was that it was like a.

979
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 5: Tomlin thing that he was trolling some of the like

980
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 5: this can't be proven, but that was the theory that

981
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 5: there was like a Tomlin thing. He's trolling the other coaches,

982
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 5: especially the Shanahan guys who he's friends with and was

983
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 5: kind of like trolling all of these NFC bros because

984
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 5: he would make them go when they were at their

985
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 5: most in pain. Basically, you'd see the Kyle Shanahan photos

986
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 5: and the and the Sean McVay looking a little green

987
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 5: around mc gill photos and videos and all those things.

988
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 9: This year.

989
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 5: I don't think it's a coincidence me personally that Mike

990
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 5: Tomlin is taking a break from coaching all of a sudden,

991
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 5: the NFC West is in full power. And hey, by

992
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 5: the way, the days flipped where AFC went Tuesday morning

993
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 5: and NFC got to go Monday morning. So no, Nick,

994
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 5: I don't think it's a coincidence that Sean McVay was

995
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 5: feeling particularly chatty. Now, the quality of some of the

996
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 5: thing he said is up for debate, but I think that,

997
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 5: you know, it's it was definitely a healthier option up there.

998
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: She goes, we have lost Jordan.

999
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: We were we were warned that her phone was overheating,

1000
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: and so we say goodbye. He's doing great work out

1001
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: there for the athletic and giving us UH some reporting.

1002
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe she just was trying to go join

1003
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: that Jay Glazer Uh I mean no, She says she

1004
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: hasn't uncomfortable by no, for real, her her phone overheated.

1005
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward, by the way, next week we're going

1006
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: to have a Jordan Nick Shook show, So this was

1007
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: a preview of that pairing while I go see my

1008
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 1: parents and take the early part of next week off.

1009
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: She did have some interesting takes from from Sean McVay

1010
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: which she kind of alluded to earlier, and she can

1011
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: expound on this when she's on the show, but you know,

1012
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: kind of the shorter version was that, you know, she

1013
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: she thought Sean McVay could have been a little stronger

1014
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: publicly responding to to what's going on in terms of

1015
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: Poka Nakua and everything that's been surrounding him and the

1016
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: civil allegations. But that look, it would not be a

1017
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: surprise to her who knows this organization. Well, if you know,

1018
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: the concerns with everything going off the field with Puka

1019
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: is a conversation that does come up in the coming

1020
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: weeks months when it comes to you know, contract negotiations

1021
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: and Puka's future, and you know, look, this is an

1022
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: organization that is quickly pivoted and everything. So it just

1023
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: something that is is a big deal. It's not the

1024
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: media quote unquote, you know, making a big deal. It's

1025
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: just something that's going to come up between the player

1026
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: and the team. But but heck, Jordan is the RAMS expert.

1027
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: She she can talk about that next week. I'm looking

1028
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: forward to uh to that show, Shooky Time to shine

1029
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: for Shook.

1030
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: Kids are gonna be back in charge. Mom and dad

1031
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 3: are out on date night. We rule a house.

1032
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: That's right seeing my literal Mom and Dad. Let's hit

1033
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: the music, Let's get out of here. Thank you Shuk

1034
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: for going over.

1035
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: All the coaches, all the news, and of course Jordan's

1036
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 2: calling in there from Phoenix. We are not done here

1037
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: this week on Deep the next time you're hear from me,

1038
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: wee myself.

1039
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah forties and free agents were also going through

1040
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: a lot of the defensive prospects later in the week

1041
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: with Holly Connolly.

1042
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: We will see that