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Speaker 1: by my friend, by my sister, one of the foremost

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Speaker 1: basketball analysts in this world, not just the country, but

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Speaker 1: the world, Craig the World. Very pleased to be joined

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Speaker 1: by ms LA China, Robinson China.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. Wow, that was a great intro.

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Speaker 2: I had to put some sauce on it.

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Speaker 1: I had to put some sauce on I feel the

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Thank you so much. As always a

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Speaker 3: joy to chop it up with you. So I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been way too long.

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Speaker 1: I mean usually we're having a lot of these conversations

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Speaker 3: If you will.

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Speaker 1: But given the news of the week, which is Diana Tarassi,

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Speaker 1: who many consider to be the greatest of all time,

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Speaker 1: with her deciding to retire, I felt like you were

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Speaker 1: the appropriate person to have one to discuss her legacy,

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Speaker 1: and not just her legacy, but also you know, talk

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Speaker 1: a little women's hoops in general and talk about like

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Speaker 1: There's a couple different kind of conversations that I want

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Speaker 1: but I'll just start at the beginning. How did you

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Speaker 2: Was this the right timing?

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Speaker 1: It was the right timing, Jammelle, It's actually it feels

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Speaker 1: I feel like we have all these pre records of

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Speaker 1: years because we never knew what was going to happen,

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Speaker 1: and she always said, you know, I'm just gonna up

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Speaker 3: She's passed the torch. The WNBA is in good standing.

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Speaker 1: You know, Diana had been pushing through some injuries over

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Speaker 1: So I think it was It was a good time

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Speaker 3: We knew what was coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you said something that was interesting about like this being,

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Speaker 1: she should have gone through the you know, the ceremony

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Speaker 3: I think she did herself a disservice. Jamelle. I would

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Speaker 1: See her have a farewell tour because I don't think

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Speaker 1: so that you guys feeling goat as and part of

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Speaker 2: Now, naturally, her former coach, you know, Ariama.

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Speaker 1: He told Time Magazine and he said it consistently. It's

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Speaker 1: She's not number one, but she is the greatest score

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Speaker 3: I feel like she's the greatest scorer we've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Is she number one for me?

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Speaker 2: So who is your number one?

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Speaker 2: In this moment, I should.

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Speaker 1: But like I said, there's some really close second thirds

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Speaker 1: In this Tamika Catchings Because any anytime we have the

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jamelle, I loved watching Timika Catchings play the game.

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Speaker 3: And she dominated the game in so many.

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Speaker 1: Facets and the both ends part is key. Here's a

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Speaker 1: Hill for years. That's not why I posted this, but

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Speaker 2: Thank you again.

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Speaker 1: This is great and informative interview. But real talk, Maya

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Speaker 1: Moore is the one. How do you feel about where

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Speaker 3: Once she played eight years, four championships.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she was dominant, like literally changed the Minnesota

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Speaker 3: She did play with a lot of talent. So that's

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Speaker 1: So when I start splitting hairs, Jamelle, I started looking

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, Diana, nineteen years in the game and

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Speaker 3: Wasn't warm, nice and fuzzy.

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Speaker 1: She was coaching tough, and we knew that we could

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Speaker 1: She kind of broke the mold because it was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: They could be either on the court or off the court.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, some of my favorite memories of Diana. Number

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Speaker 1: The fact that she was the most physical offensive player

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Speaker 3: She got more Jordan calls than Jordan. Like Diana was

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Speaker 1: If you ever called a game with Diana's playing, if

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Speaker 1: She she did something right. So that's number one. The

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Speaker 3: Because they were saying they were staying at the same place.

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Speaker 3: She did, she did, She did, she said, I'll see

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Speaker 1: And then there was like the famous Simonagusu's kids where

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Speaker 1: bring up another name here. Ellison Burley says, Cheryl Miller

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Speaker 1: gotta be honest, and this is this is where I

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I got to let to let Cheryl go, probably,

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Speaker 1: She she kicked out the conversation just because the game

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Speaker 1: of alls, the game does evolve Jamel, and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: take away from how dominant she was. Like if she

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Speaker 1: a very different conversation. Like people forget how short Cheryl's

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Speaker 3: We also didn't have the platform to really appreciate Cheryl

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Speaker 3: But yeah, she in there, but Jay, I know.

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Speaker 1: Let her.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let her go because I was struck because

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Speaker 2: Diana made me rethink it.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: It's probably not. I just can't let her.

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Speaker 1: God know, I can't know it, I know. But I'm

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Speaker 1: her contest actional championship team took Texas Tech to a

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Speaker 1: national title? To me, love it, that's worth like three

441
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Speaker 1: Yukon titles. Yeah, we talk about Lubbock, Texas. Okay, dominant. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, I mean I've I've again. I am

443
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Speaker 1: grateful to have lived during these times, been around.

444
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Speaker 3: For a minute.

445
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Speaker 2: I'm old.

446
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: Didn't watch Cheryl Miller live, right, so I will say

447
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: that in those early years, but I watched swoops and

448
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: what she did. Even you throw in there the fact

449
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: that she she missed time to become a mother and

450
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: still four championships, still MVPs, three MVPs, I believe three

451
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Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. Like, that's dominant. So dominant

452
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 1: in the game has grown. So that's where you hear

453
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: a lot of other opinions when it comes to Diana

454
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Speaker 1: Torazzi in the Canpas Parkers is the game some people

455
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: feel like wasn't as good. Then that's not true. The

456
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Speaker 1: game was grown. Women basketball by then at that point

457
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Speaker 1: because they were twenty five. Cinthy Cooper was thirty by

458
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Speaker 1: the time she got into WNBA, thirty four years old.

459
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Speaker 3: In her early thirties, So these women had.

460
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Speaker 1: Gone overseas and they had vast experience that they brought

461
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Speaker 1: to the game.

462
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Speaker 3: So I would say it was different now.

463
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Speaker 1: The game is faster, more athletic, we know all of that,

464
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Speaker 1: but it was great basketball even then, just different from

465
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Speaker 1: what we see now. So there is I don't know

466
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Speaker 1: if you've noticed this, there's some interesting conversations happening right

467
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: now about the NBA. After Anthony Edwards said that he

468
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Speaker 1: didn't want to be the face of the league and

469
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Speaker 1: Lebron James he piped in with some thoughts last night

470
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Speaker 1: after Dallas's win over min Minnesota, where Lebron essentially said,

471
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but this was legiti just stuff it. He said,

472
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Speaker 1: why would anybody want to be the face of the

473
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Speaker 1: NBA when the media that covers the NBA is constantly

474
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: talking shit about the players down in the players? Why

475
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: why would anybody want to be the face of the league.

476
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: And he is the face of the league, you know,

477
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: and he has been for some years right now, even

478
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Speaker 1: at forty years old, Lebron James is the face of

479
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Speaker 1: the NBA. I jokingly call him the commissioner, the unofficial commissioner,

480
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: of the NBA because he is right and so, but

481
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Speaker 1: what do you think about this idea that a young

482
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Speaker 1: player like Anthony Edwards does not want to embrace being

483
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Speaker 1: considered or does not want to be a face of

484
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Speaker 1: the league, Like, does Lebron have a point that.

485
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Speaker 2: Because of the toxicity that.

486
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Speaker 1: Is sometimes around in NBA conversations, that it's making that

487
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Speaker 1: mantle a little less appealing. Heavy is the head that

488
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Speaker 1: wears the crown and at the point, right right, And

489
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Speaker 1: so I understand why Anthony Edwards feel that way because

490
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: you know that as the face of the league. I mean,

491
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Speaker 1: look at what all Lebron has had to go through.

492
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: I feel like he's more celebrated now. But all I

493
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: remember is every team he played on early on his career,

494
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: he always defers. He never wants to take the winning shot.

495
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: Jordan always wanted the winning moment. I'm like, this man

496
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: is putting up a triple double almost every night, Like

497
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: where's the respect? So I get why he would say that.

498
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Speaker 1: I do feel like this was an opportunity for him

499
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Speaker 1: to get another agenda out. You know, I don't know

500
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Speaker 1: that these two things would necessarily coincide on another day,

501
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: because it sounds like on that media side of thing,

502
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: that he's been hearing some things that he doesn't really appreciate,

503
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Speaker 1: and not that there's.

504
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Speaker 3: Not true to this, but I think Lebron would agree

505
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Speaker 3: that the level of responsibility, take the media out of it,

506
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 3: take all of that, but the level of responsibility, pressure

507
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: expectation that is put on the face of the league

508
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Speaker 3: is a lot. It's a lot, you know, even if

509
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Speaker 3: the media wasn't.

510
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Speaker 1: I mean, Lebron has been carrying the popularity of the

511
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Speaker 1: game for a very long time. Fans even have things

512
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Speaker 1: to say, take me out of it. There's everyone's got

513
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: an opinion about Lebron, right, So that's how I feel,

514
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Speaker 1: I understand.

515
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Speaker 2: So here I have a few thoughts on this one.

516
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Speaker 1: I do think this generation of players, and this is

517
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Speaker 1: for anybody in sports, is that the criticisms are so

518
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: much louder to them because of social media, you know, frankly,

519
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: and it used to be a little bit of a

520
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: separation where certainly you would hear for the fans in

521
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Speaker 1: the arena and from the media, but now it's just

522
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Speaker 1: like Joe Shmo twenty two seven could just be like Lebron,

523
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Speaker 1: you ain't shit any people like immediately see this as

524
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Speaker 1: opposed to there being like a little bit of a

525
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: layer between. So I think the criticism for his generation

526
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: just feels that much more sharp, right because when he

527
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: says the media, I think he's lumping against social media too.

528
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Speaker 1: He's not just thinking about the people who come for

529
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Speaker 1: the game, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So that

530
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: he did say, I think though the people that cover

531
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Speaker 1: our game. I think he did actually, But I agree,

532
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: I think social media is.

533
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: Looped in there as well. He's looked in there as well.

534
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Speaker 1: And then I think it was his way of uh

535
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: sub tweeting, but in in commentary inside the NBA, because that's.

536
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: It what he's really talking about, right, you know.

537
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Speaker 1: And and there have I've heard this criticism about Chuck,

538
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: Kenny e J and Shack uh more recently that I

539
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: might say, but I think it's been said across the years,

540
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: is that you know, these guys are brutally honest.

541
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Speaker 2: You know, they have very accomplished careers.

542
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Speaker 1: We got championships, MVPs, you know, all of that in

543
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: that in that group, and they have the most popular

544
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Speaker 1: NBA show, so that most popular studio show. Rather and

545
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: so because of the way that they talk about today's players.

546
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Speaker 1: People love the honesty, but some people have a c

547
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: them of not necessarily always being the greatest ambassador because

548
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: they're so honest. And I think some of this of

549
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: what he's saying is really directed at them, because this

550
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: is the NBA's flagship show, you know, in terms of commentary,

551
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: it's them, and so they the players are you know,

552
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: every night they're getting somebody getting called out.

553
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Speaker 3: Well, But you bring up an interesting point.

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Speaker 1: I would ask you, how much of the responsibility of

555
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: the media do you think is to be an ambassador?

556
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Speaker 1: So I think the former players they're going to carry

557
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: that responsibibility more than I would. And because you know,

558
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: we don't work for the league, like that's not really

559
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe it gets a little bit tricky

560
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: when you're working for a network like a TNT, the

561
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: or ESPN, because you know, I don't know, actually the

562
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Speaker 1: China I would ask you this. Now, I know you're

563
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Speaker 1: a former player, but you're largely associated with being in

564
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Speaker 1: the media, like when you're common on college and professional

565
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Speaker 1: games and hosting, like, do you consider that a part

566
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Speaker 1: of your job is to be an ambassador for the

567
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Speaker 1: women's game. That's a great question, Jamille, and I'll tell

568
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: you why. I feel like times have changed. When I

569
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: first started covering women's basketball almost two decades ago, everybody

570
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: was talking bad about women's basketball. No one had anything

571
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: good to say about women's basketball. In fact, for most

572
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: of the larger networks or media entities that didn't actually

573
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: care to cover the sport, they would wait for something

574
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: bad to happen and then jump in and try to

575
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: have commentary around women's basketball. So in that regard, I

576
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: did feel like it was my job not to be

577
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: an ambassador, but to ensure that I was pointing.

578
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: Out the positives of the sport, right that.

579
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: You are providing the counter narrative correct, okay.

580
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: And not like intentionally like, oh, I'm gonna get on

581
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: here and I'm gonna talk positive about women's basketball.

582
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: But I did feel a tug on me to point.

583
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: Out the positives of the game because everybody else was

584
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: like crapping on women's basketball. Now what has happened over

585
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: time is we have more voices, more types of commentary,

586
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: whether it be criticism or you know, critique, or even

587
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: different aspects of the athlete's life.

588
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: They're casual, like they're fashions, so there's more breadth of

589
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: coverage for women's basketball to get varying perspectives, so I

590
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: don't feel like since I'm only one of the few voices,

591
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: I need to ensure that we are pointing out the

592
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: positive the game. I now feel like there's more balance.

593
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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, because the coverage of women's

594
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: basketball has grown, we're getting different types of perspectives that

595
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: are drowning out the people somewhat that just want to

596
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: be negative about it because it's women's sports, because it's

597
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: women's basketball, because it's a predominantly black league, whatever your

598
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: reason is. I feel like those voices are starting to immer,

599
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: and so it allows people to then settle into just

600
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: being you know, active subjective if you will, like commentary, commentator,

601
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: and to not feel like they got a counterbalance to negativity.

602
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you would appreciate this. Next timing, I'm

603
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to throw up here. Bring the China's mom on.

604
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: She always has great sports takes. That's from LW.

605
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: When I'm let me tell you this.

606
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: My mom hit me up the other day, jamlle. This

607
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: was after South Carolina actually was at halftime. South Carolina

608
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: was losing the game. I know it wasn't. She is

609
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: a Dawn stay stand okay, not a fan. She texts

610
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: me and says, I cannot believe this. What I'm watching,

611
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: oh is when they play in Yukon, she said, I

612
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: cannot believe this what is happening. It's only halftime right,

613
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: more game to go. This is just terrible and losing

614
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: to gino Iu. I mean, she had a whole like

615
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: just dump all the way down and she said after

616
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: the game, she said, and I heard what Don said,

617
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: she said, this isn't about winning. So what that tells

618
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: me is there's some drama going on in the locker

619
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: room and Don is addressing it. And I was like, Okay,

620
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: anything else you want to share with us about what's.

621
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: Going on in South Carolina.

622
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: Jay, she's out of control, but I appreciate the love

623
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: for my mom.

624
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: She's unfiltered and she gonna make it do what to do?

625
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: I love it, Love your mom? All right? This from

626
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: Ellison Burley. Let's have any on this convo.

627
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: People knocked the NBA truly because there's no American born

628
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: white player that's a three to four player in the

629
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: game itself. Bird is not walking through that door. Now

630
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: there is definitely some tension in basketball because what the

631
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: last six MVPs have been foreign born players in the NBA,

632
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: and it looks like it's headed for seven because you know,

633
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: SGA Shay Gilgis is gonna probably you know, somewhat run

634
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: away with the Saints. He's having a phenomenal season. Okay,

635
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: so he's got the top spot in the West. Like

636
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: they've been great pretty much all year. But you know,

637
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of conversations about what's happening

638
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: at the grassroots of American basketball because people have noticed, certainly,

639
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: and there's always been polarizing opinions about AAU, but now

640
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: the focus in youth basketball on specialized training, on all

641
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: these other things that are coming into it. I think

642
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 1: there's a lot of concern from fans from coaches that

643
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: American basketball is sort of losing its grip. I'd love

644
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts on that about whether or not

645
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 1: you feel like the game. It's a global game, and

646
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: on the women's side, it's a lot different, right. It's like,

647
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, they're that pipeline looks looks a lot healthier,

648
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: I have to say, But what are your thoughts about

649
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: where American kind of basketball stands right now. Yeah, it's

650
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: tough for me to comment on where it is on

651
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: the men's side, just because I you know, IM not

652
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: as as close to the men's game. But I do

653
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: understand his comments, right, Like, one thing that has helped

654
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: the WNBA over time is that we are watching these

655
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: players literally grow up from college into the league. Women's

656
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: basketball players can't leave college early, so they're gonna be

657
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: there until they turn twenty two, the year the draft

658
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: or their eligibility is done. And so what happens then

659
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: is these fans have an opportunity to really fan their

660
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: college years into the WNBA, And so there's connection and

661
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: there's longevity, and that has helped the league. And I

662
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Speaker 1: think on the flip side of that, when it comes

663
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: to the NBA, it's very different. I mean, you even

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Speaker 1: look at men's college basketball right now with the one

665
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: and done's or you know, just their ability to go

666
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: pro or the transfer portal which is affecting both sports.

667
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Speaker 1: It kind of makes it hard to be a fan

668
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: a little bit, right, So I could understand if you

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Speaker 1: bring the international scene into that, like where's that fandom?

670
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: One thing I used to say, the Atlanta Dream when

671
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: they ran, they had like three they went to three

672
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: w NBA finals, and a majority of their starting lineups

673
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: for those final runs were international players. And so Atlanta

674
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: had a different fan base, not as large of a

675
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: fan base as some of the teams where their starting

676
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: lineups were predominantly of college players. Who's you know, fans

677
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: had followed them to the w NBA where there was

678
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: longevity with that connection, and so I guess there isn't

679
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: a sense something to say about that connection and that

680
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: it may be missing on the on the men's.

681
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: Side of things.

682
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: So, you know, we were talking a lot about this

683
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Speaker 1: this face of the league issue in the w NBA.

684
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Speaker 2: Who do you consider to be the face of the league?

685
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: Now, this is not a hard question for me, Jamille,

686
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: because I'm a basketball analyst. It's Asia Wilson, it's Adrian Bluhman.

687
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: We don't need to take for granted what she is

688
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: doing right now between the lines. As Dinahs reminded us

689
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: of the other day, the main thing is still the

690
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: main thing, and that's the basketball.

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Speaker 3: She's a three time MVP. Is she even twenty eight

692
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: years old?

693
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: Right now, There's only been four players in the history

694
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: of the league to be three time MVP. She's the

695
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: first player to score over a thousand points in a season.

696
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: She also led the league in rebounding this year. She

697
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: just came off a back to back run with the

698
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Aces. Like, it's not even it's not even

699
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: close right now, because she is History is always the mark,

700
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: and she is setting history not just with her team

701
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: but in her individual performance night in the night out.

702
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: Not to mention in Paris she was the Female Athlete

703
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: of the Year, the team won gold and these are

704
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: the best players of the world.

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Speaker 3: So it always comes back to basketball for me. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you want to say.

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Speaker 1: Who is the face of the popularity of the league

708
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Speaker 1: or the economics of the league, all those things, and

709
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: you start talking about the Angelses and the Caitlyn Clarks,

710
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Speaker 1: and that's with all due respect. I think Caitlyn Clark

711
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: is an MVP caliber player, Like she will win an

712
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Speaker 1: MVP in her career, maybe even in the next few years,

713
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: but as is proven and it's it's sustained success over

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Speaker 1: the course of her career that I think makes her

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Speaker 1: the face right now. Yeah, because I think what sometimes

716
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: people do is confused face of the league with popularity

717
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: and those are not necessarily the same things.

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Speaker 2: I think it could be a combination of both.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, because obviously Caitlin Clark her popularity,

720
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: we know what that is, Like, it's it's astronomical. She's

721
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: brought so much new attention, deserved attention to the w NBA.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, it's like, you know, she's just

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Speaker 1: one season in and even though she had a fantastic

724
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Speaker 1: college career, and like you, I expect her to definitely

725
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: win an MVP, to be honest, the way they build

726
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Speaker 1: this team in the off season, she might be winning

727
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Speaker 1: the MVP this year, like.

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Speaker 2: She she in the conversation right now.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, have Stephanie White, and they

730
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Speaker 1: got Stephanie White.

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Speaker 3: Is a heck of a coach to take you this. Yeah,

732
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Speaker 3: there's a good chance to fever could win the championship

733
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah chance like this might be that, that will be that,

735
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Speaker 1: that combination might happen.

736
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Speaker 2: But if it does, feel a little premature. So I'm

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Asia because she's the gold standard of

739
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: the league, and Asia is coming back with something to

740
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: prove herself. Like I know, she's already won titles, MVPs

741
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: and all of that. But we know that last season

742
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: left a bad taste, uh you know, kind of in

743
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Speaker 1: her in her mouth. Before I get you out of

744
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: here the China, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask

745
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: you about college shops right now, women's college shops. Man,

746
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: it feels wide open, like, especially after we're recording this.

747
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: It's a Friday. What last night you had, LSU losing,

748
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: Notre Dame lost, Notre Dame, I lost, yep, yeah, Florida State. Yes,

749
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Speaker 1: I mean it feels like the most wide open this

750
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: thing has been a in a few years. What's your

751
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: take on who you considered be the quote? Is there

752
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: a favorite? As we head, you know, into March and

753
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: get ready for the tournament, man, Jamil, it's exciting, right

754
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: because to see teams like a Notre Dame vulnerable at

755
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: this point of the year, like you hit your stride

756
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: at the end of February like this you pushing into March,

757
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: like this is go time. So to see them lose

758
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: to Florida State, who's a very good team at this point,

759
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: like it's supposed to be all go systems check.

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00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 3: So that kind of what it's said.

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Speaker 1: To me, is that there's still vulnerability at the top,

762
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: Like these teams are still vulnerable to get plucked off,

763
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Speaker 1: you know, by anybody. I would say, right now, outside

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Speaker 1: of the inside the top thirty thirty five and maybe

765
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Speaker 1: beyond that. And I'll be honest with you, I have

766
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Speaker 1: watched at the very top level this year. The team

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00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: that I believe in myself. There's two teams that I

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Speaker 1: think are ahead of the game, and I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 3: One is.

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Speaker 1: I think UCLA has something special. They're center Lauren Bets

771
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: at six seven, no one can do what she does.

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00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: No one in the country right now, Okay, I think

773
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: she could go pro today. Now, don't get me wrong.

774
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, w gonna she's gonna have a tough trends

775
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: and she's like everybody else. But at six seven, she's

776
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: so skilled and just plays extremely hard. Like as a

777
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: post player myself, it's rare that you see a post

778
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: player as physical as she is. She's learning to switch

779
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: out on the perimeter and contain like her footwork is phenomenal,

780
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: and when you have a player that is can be

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00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: unguardable like that with the support she has right like,

782
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: she also has veteran guards versatility, size on the perimeter,

783
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: and Corey Close is very good, is a great coach.

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00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: So that team stands out in my mind.

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00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: The other team that really stands out in my mind

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00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: is Notre Dame. Now, I know they just lost last night, Jamelle,

787
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: I know that, but I do believe that they have

788
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: the best backcourt in the country. I believe that Olivia

789
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: Miles and Hannah Hidalgo are exceptional where they need to

790
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: clean something on the defensive end, and no doubt Neil

791
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: Ivy will get them there. But those two teams, in

792
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: my mind feel like a lock. I would have said

793
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: this about South Carolina a few weeks back. I need

794
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: to see some more from the game box right, like

795
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: they are way too talented and it's just taking longer

796
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: than I expected for some of their younger players, which

797
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: is now their time to kind of step in and

798
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: step up to do so consistently. But again, no doubt

799
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: don will have them ready. Texas you can't sleep on.

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Speaker 1: But I would say Ucla and Notre Dame because of

801
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: those factors. The backcourt that you just can't do anything

802
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: with for Notre Dame and then six seven Loren Bets

803
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: for Ucla. Yeah, I am president of the Olivia Miles

804
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: fan Club for sure, and.

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00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: I love it. I mean, you know, every now.

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Speaker 1: And again, as they say, I like to bet the ponies,

807
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: and uh, a few months ago I put money on

808
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: Notre Dame to win it all. Jamel, you still you

809
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: are right?

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00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: I was not.

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Speaker 1: I was not at all discouraged by their loss to

812
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: Florida State. Yeah, they just lost NC State too, so

813
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: that says a lot that both of us are still

814
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: writing because adjustments do need to be made, and they

815
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: got a little exposed, to be quite honest, like they're

816
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: they're they're perimeter defense needed to be exposed, and I'm

817
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: sure Deale is gonna work on that asap. Yeah, and

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00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: as a as I mentioned with recording this on a

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Speaker 1: Friday and then tomorrow, I'm going to see u C

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00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: L a USC, So I'm really yeah, well you do

821
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: is Well, I was going to ask you about USC

822
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: because that was not a team that you mentioned necessarily,

823
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: as we think about who has an opportunity in it all,

824
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: what are they missing because it feels like they're missing something. Experience,

825
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: they're missing experience they really need and their freshmen are growing,

826
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, they got Keiki Erie fin They've got Raa Marshall.

827
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: Of course they've got Juju, But that next kind of

828
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: tier of players that they would need to step up

829
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: and show up consistently is their freshmen.

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00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: They have the number one freshman.

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Speaker 1: Class in the in the nation, and I think two

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00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: words don't go together, consistent and freshmen. It just does

833
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: it like it's rare, especially when we talk about NCAA

834
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: tournament rounds. So I could be surprised in that way.

835
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not counting out a USC run by any stretch.

836
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: Any Time you got a player like Juju could drop fifty,

837
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: you gonna be in some games, right, But I do

838
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: think that they need a wee bit more experience in

839
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: their depth to really take on some of the top

840
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: teams as we look and head towards April.

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00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: You also didn't say you got.

842
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't and what Yukon by all means

843
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: they're very talented, you know, as a great coach, all

844
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: those things. You got Paige Beckers, you got Sarah Strong.

845
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: I don't want to put that type of pressure on

846
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: Azy Fud. I don't because she has had such a

847
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: tough time with her injuries, but she's it if she

848
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: plays the way that Aisy we know can play, no

849
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: doubt Yukon is in this conversation. I just don't feel

850
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: like it's that it's fair to put that kind of

851
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: pressure on her at this point because we all know

852
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: what her journey has looked like, right, so we're just

853
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: happy she out here playing. I'm not saying, you know,

854
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: we don't want Azy to do too much out here,

855
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: but we do. We need her to if you can

856
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: definitely run. Yeah, So I think when when so much

857
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: of your success really honestly hedges on one player, I

858
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: don't like to you know, Yukon could be there, but

859
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: they're not in my top two.

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00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: Mm.

861
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: Okay, look at that China with the hot takes better.

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00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: Did you burn that past your mama? Because when she

863
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: found out you ain't pick in South Carolina, it's gonna

864
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: be some problems. She fobbly on my phone on right now,

865
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: she'll look for some stuff. Okay, she'll see my name

866
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: and just start clicking.

867
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: So, oh my god, that is hilarious.

868
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: Well, listen, China, thank you so much for taking some

869
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: time out to break down a little hoops with me.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: As the w NBA season progresses certainly as we see

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Speaker 1: how this what I think is going to be an

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Speaker 1: incredible march madness for the women.

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Speaker 2: As we see how that plays out, I'll be I'll

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Speaker 2: be blowing up.

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Speaker 1: Your phone again, like come in, come and talk, Yes,

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Speaker 1: come and talk some hoops with me.

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Speaker 2: Tell mom I said hello, and I will.

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Speaker 3: So we're having a drink. What time is it Friday?

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Speaker 2: I know. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna put that

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Speaker 2: on my bucket list. I need to have a drink

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Speaker 2: with your mama.

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Speaker 3: As Jamail, you have some folks that have talk to

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Speaker 3: Tarika already.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're telling me.

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Speaker 1: I had to escort my mom out of the lobby

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Speaker 1: post game at a lot of hotels because she just

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Speaker 1: she's a mess.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I see with caution, you know how

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Speaker 3: that is.

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Speaker 1: It's like everybody's mama is always cooler everybody else, everyone else.

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Speaker 1: But because you got to deal with it, Like why

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Speaker 1: you ain't bring your mom?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, did you see what she did last night?

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Speaker 3: Did you did you hear what she said?

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Speaker 1: And you just yeah, she's off the chain. Yes, if

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Speaker 1: y'all gonna babysit her, That's what I say. Now when

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Speaker 1: they say you bring your mom. I'm like you babysitting.

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Speaker 1: That's the question. So question j y'all gonna kick it.

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Speaker 3: It's on me.

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Speaker 2: The responsibilities on me.

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Speaker 3: I accept that I will in charge of the girl,

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Speaker 3: charge her.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you.

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