WEBVTT - Randi Zuckerberg 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:06.960 I'm Sam Edis and I'm Amy Nelson. Welcome to What's 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:09.600 Her Story? With Sam and Amy. This is a show 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:15.400 about the world's most remarkable women, their professional and personal journeys. Together, 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.200 we'll hear from gold medalists, best selling authors, and leaders 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.840 of the world's most iconic brands. Listen every Thursday or 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:27.880 join the conversation anytime on Instagram at What's Her Story Podcast. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.680 Randy Zuckerberg is the former director of market development and 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.200 spokesperson for Facebook and a sister of Mark Zuckerberg. After 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.680 seven years at the company, Randy left to start her 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.839 own entrepreneurial venture and is now leading the charge in 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:49.960 Web three. Randy, you are one of four kids. What 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:55.240 was it like growing up in the Zuckerberg household? Definitely chaotic, Amy, 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.960 My hat is off to you, having grown up with 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:02.639 four kids. I bow down before mom before. I think 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.640 I didn't quite appreciate how challenging it must have been 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.720 until I had three kids of my own and it 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.280 was like, no way, there's a fourth here. But you know, 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.360 we grew up. It was like, I think people would 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:18.119 be shocked at how normal our household was growing up 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:23.520 and how kind of wildly different interests everyone had, and 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.560 you know, pretty sure I was like that mean bully 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.959 oldest sibling who like sent my my sisters to therapy 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:35.200 for years. So now now when I see my own 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.920 kids doing it to one another, it hits a little harder. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.680 What's the age range between the four of you. Yeah, 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.320 there's about about two years between everyone, two to three years. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:48.200 So my poor mom spent about a full decade pregnant. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.280 I once asked if I could borrow any of her 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.280 eighties clothing for an eighties party and she's like, sorry, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.680 I only have maternity clothing from the eighties, Like that's 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.480 that's all I have. So I feel like the three 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.840 of us can relate to that now. Of course. Um, 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.279 you know, I thought I had my own independent life, 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.200 and then the pandemic hit and I had just had 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.840 a newborn baby, so we had just had the youngest, 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.480 and uh, I found myself back living with my parents 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.239 again for two years. So there you go, everything comes 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:23.200 full circle. Okay, So I want to go to Randy Zuckerberg, 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:27.800 the mogul, because I think that what's so incredible about 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.720 you is you've really been able to build your own 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.480 brand right and and a lot of people would think 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.919 that you, you know, being the older sister of Mark Zuckerberg, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.079 that you would be in some way overshadowed. But you've 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:44.600 really developed your own following your own brand in your 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.520 own career. How have you done that? You know, it's 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.200 funny you say that. And I loved working at Facebook 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.800 and and starting my career there. I was in Silicon 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.720 Valley for almost a decade and it was just the 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.880 most incredible experience. But you're right. I had this kind 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.440 of moment in my early thirties where I realized if 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.880 someone wrote a book about the story of my life, 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.440 I wouldn't be the lead character in it. And that 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.760 was kind of a really shocking realization. And I think 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.600 it's a realization a lot of women have. I don't 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.800 think it's just like me having a famous brother. I 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.720 think a lot of women are the supporting character in 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.840 their own lives. And and I realized that in my 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.200 early thirties, and I was like, Okay, it is time 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.639 for a drastic change in my life right now. And 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.600 that's when I feel like I really jumped in, as 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.400 you know, starting my own company, pursuing my own dreams 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.080 a lot more. And it's taken a long time. I think, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.040 you know, probably took me almost a decade since then 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.680 for me to really feel like I was making an 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:48.960 impact on my own. What was the first day like 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.320 after you left Facebook? Um, well, it was kind of 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.520 a crazy ending because my my whole life, my dream 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:59.120 was to sing on Broadway. And I know that's silly, 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.600 A lot of people have that dream. I grew up, 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.880 I got realistic. I like went to work in technology 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.480 and Silicon Valley, and then I got a call out 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.600 of the blue. As thirty two years old, I got 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.400 a call out of the blue asking if I wanted 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.240 to come star in Rock of Ages on Broadway, which 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.960 is an eighties rock musical. They were looking for a 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.760 tech personality to come star in their Broadway show. I 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.280 guess they couldn't afford an ABC or D List celebrity, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.440 so they're like, Okay, we'll go with a tech personality. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.600 And I had just found out that morning I was pregnant, 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.919 and so I I really I was like, this is 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.880 the sign that the universe is giving me to shake 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.280 up my life and to focus on myself. And so 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.120 it was kind of a whirlwind end of my time 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.560 at Silicon Valley because I accepted that role on a Thursday, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.280 moved to New York, and started rehearsing on Monday. So 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.119 it was a bit of a kind of just blew 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.799 up my entire life over the course of four days. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.800 But was the plan before the call for rocket ages 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.800 There was no plan. We had just bought this beautiful 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:09.680 home in in suburban California. Like on paper, I feel 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.679 like you would have looked at my life and thought 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:16.680 it was great. In reality, I'm not like a suburban 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.679 homeowning person. Like I was carrying that house on my back. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:25.000 I was not happy. And you know, Silicon Valley, there's 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:26.680 a lot of amazing things, there's also a lot of 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.760 very toxic things about Silicon Valley, especially as a woman, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.640 and so I don't know, I just felt like I 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.400 really was needing a soul change, if that makes any sense. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.680 And so when that um, when that call came out 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.400 of the blue, it was just it was a sign 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.880 from the universe. Actually, when I went to New York, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:49.640 I never returned. My husband sold our house, moved all 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.280 of our things across the country, and we've been New 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.200 Yorkers ever since. So it's um, it was kind of 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.479 a wild experience too, and so you know, sometimes though 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.160 you uh, you learn a lot about yourself and your 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.240 resilience when you kind of just blow up everything overnight. 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.560 How was your husband able to make such a move, 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:13.280 because obviously it required a lot of flexibility on his part. Two. Yes, 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.240 I feel very lucky to have a partner who has 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.480 helped me prioritize my career when i've needed to. I 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.920 feel like we've struck a really good balance of prioritizing 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.080 one another's careers. And um, you know, at the start 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.599 of the pandemic, he had just started as the CEO 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.760 of Parsley Health and Awesome Health start up with a 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.560 female CEO, and so I was like, Okay, great, this 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.480 is your opportunity to double down on your career. This 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.919 is amazing. I'll play more of the role of like 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.840 the default parent and the support And I felt good 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.599 doing that because there have been so many moments in 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.920 our partnership where he was like, yes, I will pack 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.280 up our home and get a new job and move 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.560 our life in a week from California to New York. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.760 So I definitely feel feel very lucky to have a 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.520 partner like that. How did you meet him. We met 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.400 in college. We did not date in college at all, 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.760 and then we we re met after. It's funny. He's 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.720 from South Africa, and I just was so blown away 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.640 by how kind of worldly he was. And I remember 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.120 our first date. We went to the museum and I 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.840 was so nervous because I liked him so much. And 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.240 I pointed to this map on the wall and I 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.160 was like, that's where you're from. And he's like, that's 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.440 South America. And I was just like, I was like, 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:40.520 I went to Harvard, like college education, I obviously know 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.880 the difference between South America and the continent of Africa. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:50.160 And it was and luckily he came back for a 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:56.600 second date. It was so funny. It was I mean, 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.920 I still cringe about it today, like twenty years later. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.440 He I still like, you know, when you lie down 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.040 at night and you're and instead of going to bed, 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.800 you replay all the mistakes that you've made in your life, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.080 Like that's a that's a story that replays a lot 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.000 um but what but you probably think he's even more 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.160 amazing after this story. He turned down one of his 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.400 dream his dream job at Jannette Tech in San Francisco 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.080 to be with me in New York because I was 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.080 living in New York when we first met, and then 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.520 two weeks later I moved to San Francisco to work 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:37.120 in Facebook. Oh my god. So the fact that we're 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.400 still married after all of that is really a testament. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.400 I want to go back to the part where you 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.959 shared that you felt like Silicon Valley was a toxic culture. 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:48.880 What was toxic about it? I think from the outside 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:50.800 it's hard to understand. We hear that all the time, 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.480 but if you don't live it, what does that mean 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.359 exactly on a daily basis. Yeah, I mean there's signs 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.200 of hope from what I've seen. But when I got 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.000 out to Silicon I mean I had no clue what 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.320 I was in for. I was working at an ad 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.880 agency in New York City where we had a female 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.319 CEO who had gone from being the intern all the 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.800 way up to the CEO. Right, So my whole career 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:18.120 had started in this environment where anything's possible, and suddenly 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.719 I went out to Silicon Valley, where like a lot 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:26.199 of offices didn't have even women's restrooms, and um, people 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:31.000 would come to to Facebook for a meeting, asked me 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.800 for coffee and then realized that I was the one 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.719 running the meeting that they were going into. I mean, 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.920 I often say that my biggest advantage in life was 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.840 that when I would email with people, they would think 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.920 emailing with Randy was a dude, and like I would 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.320 actually be able to get meetings and get things done. 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.640 I guess I was like I was like anonymous before 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.880 it was cool now with Crypto, So that that's the 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.199 kind of environment. So on one hand, here I was 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.800 at the cutting edge of all of this amazing innovation 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.040 Web two and pushing forward a whole new industry. And 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.000 then the other hand, it was so difficult to get 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.160 things done being the only woman in the room and 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.080 just always an uphill battle. How did you change that 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.280 culture at Facebook or how how were you instrumental in 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.000 sort of making sure that environment didn't mirror the rest 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.400 of Silicon Valley? You know, obviously all of these tech 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.920 companies have a long way to go. Still. I do 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.720 think that bringing and Cheryl Sandberg was a huge turning 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:31.320 point early on in Facebook, and that really made a 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.640 big difference in the culture and at least made the 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:38.680 female employees feel seen and heard and excited and hopeful. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.079 And because of that. I think that was a real 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.360 turning point for a lot of executive teams across Silicon 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.520 Valley to to really think about investing in female leadership. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.240 It's crazy. Until that moment, I think I could count 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:56.040 the number of female executives on one hand in Silicon Valley. Now, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:11:00.240 when you look at venture firms, it's um pretty we beard. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.960 If a venture firm doesn't have a female partner. It 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.439 was not weird. Fifteen years ago, it was strange to 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.040 find a female VC. We could obviously still do a 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:13.360 lot better with funding, but there's you know, at least 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.959 some a lot of signs of hope and change from 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.200 what I'm seeing. So I'm excited about some of the 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.240 progress in Silicon Valley, But at the same time, I'm 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.520 seeing a lot of it repeat itself on the front 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.240 lines of Web three where I am now, and it's 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.400 it's frustrating to see those same patterns just playing out 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.719 over and over. Let's talk about Web three. I mean, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.880 you've done a lot of things since you went out 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.280 on your own, So why did you get involved? Like 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.600 what drew you to this brand new frontier? That sometimes 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.920 makes my head hurt because it's learning something completely new 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.640 once again. It definitely makes my head hurt on a 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.000 daily basis. And it's funny. I feel like most of 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.160 the things that have happened in my career have been 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.280 kind of happy accidents or act you know, luck, because 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.400 I've had my eyes open for for accidents. It's interesting 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.679 because I, you know, I talked a little bit about 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.800 this split identity that I had with Silicon Valley and 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.040 being an artist, and I always felt I was a 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.559 little too artsy for the tech world and I was 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.680 a little too techy for the arts world, and I 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.360 never really fit into either of those. And suddenly, about 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.840 a year ago, I started getting all of these calls 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.520 from investors and companies saying, you know, Randy, we really 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:28.000 need the skill set of someone who can evaluate both 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.040 an artistic project and a tech project because we want 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.160 to get into n f T S and so we 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.600 need someone who can speak both of those languages. So 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.440 I didn't really set out to get into crypto or 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:44.320 to go down that world. But suddenly it was like 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.720 the last twenty years of my career all made sense 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.040 in one moment, like there's a small group of us 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.880 that can understand how to work with artists and speak 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.400 techy language, and I was like, all right, this is 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.560 put me in coach, this is my moment. What was 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.640 the first entrance into it? I mean it still is 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.760 like the wild West. How have you educated yourself? And 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:10.840 how much do you feel like you know today? I 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.480 mean it's a it's an insane learning curve. I would say, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.520 I've got into the space in September, so it hasn't 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.600 I mean eight nine months that I've been in the space. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.679 I was speaking on a panel at n f T 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:28.200 n y C last year and I had my phone 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.640 out writing down words that my fellow panelists were saying, 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.400 because I had no clue half the things that they 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.839 were even saying. And they would get to me and say, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.600 you know, Brandy, what do you think? And I'd just 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.720 be like, my fellow panelists summed it up so well, 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.200 there's absolutely nothing that I have to add, you know, 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.319 that could be better. And then I would go home 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.120 and look at this list on my phone of a 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.800 dozen vocabulary words and be like, Okay, I don't know 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.280 what a daw is. I don't know what like what 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.880 I need to like figure out all of this stuff 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.920 on the blockchain. What is salona and and so little 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.839 by little I started to educate myself and I definitely 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.240 went slow, and that's something that I would recommend to 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.559 a lot of people. It's a there's a lot of 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.760 vocabulary and lingo when it comes to crypto and Web three, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.400 there's a lot of chaos at any time you're on 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.280 the front lines is something new. 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It offers day 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.640 verbal terms and is a supportive community for female founded companies. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.400 With over five hundred women owned business is selling thousands 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.720 of products and services. The W Marketplace might be your 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.840 favorite news sales channel Intrigued learn more at join the 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:19.080 w marketplace dot com. Which company did you found? I 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.320 know you've advised many companies. What is your company about 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:26.160 and what's it called? Yes, it's called hug and I 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.760 we've named it Hugged because so much of crypto is 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:34.160 so intimidating and unwelcoming, and it's like those early days 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:38.360 of Web two. It's you know, nine percent men, and 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.360 the way they like everything is sir and bro and 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.040 this and so. First of all, I really wanted to 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:49.360 create a welcoming, embracing place for people to come into crypto. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.760 But the other gap that I saw is that there's 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:56.320 a ton of awesome communities for brand new people into crypto. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.760 So there are great places to learn the basics, but 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:04.320 there's not a great second stop on someone's crypto journey. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.040 So once you do learn, and you you do decide, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.840 you know, yes, I want to go a little bit deeper. 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.960 I want to start collecting n f T s or 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.000 I want to start trading crypto. There's no second stop 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:20.000 that's friendly for women and diverse artists and founders in 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:24.200 the space. You go straight from the friendly newcomer communities 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:28.680 to like the super bro alpha communities, and so I 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:34.200 wanted hug to be like the friendliest second stop on 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.360 someone's Web three journey. We began this conversation going into 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.840 Web three talking about Silicon Valley and how it can 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:46.320 be a hostile place for women or other marginalized communities, 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.080 and that there's a risk of Web three becoming like 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.360 that as well. So do you think that we're starting 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.800 differently today than we did in the valley? Like, do 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.680 you think we're starting from a different place and that 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.440 it will be more inclusive? I would say in certain 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.640 areas of crypto, it's pretty demoralizing what you see when 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.359 you look in the straight up like trading cryptocurrencies. I 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.040 think that's why for me, I've really loved focusing on 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.960 the n f T world, because you do start to 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.880 see the culture changing there. I mean, a lot of 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.919 women can relate to buying art and collecting arts, so 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.600 that is a great gateway into crypto. I find it's 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.840 very difficult to convince a woman to just like open 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.800 a crypto while and start buying and trading and doing 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.440 all this like decentralized finance and um, but I can 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:38.040 convince a woman to check out art and purchase it 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.800 with a theory um and help her start her Web 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.240 three journey that way. But to your point, Amy, which 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:47.320 is such a good one, Um, I've definitely noticed, you know, 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.040 because it is a new world, the kind of people 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.359 that are winning early on, or people who have disposable 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.600 income to just you know, to throw around and test things. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.679 And so I've tried really hard, even in our own community, 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.359 to even take a back seat myself and not be 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.960 kind of the voice that's heard, because at the end 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.520 of the day, I mean, I am a white woman 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.760 with privilege who has had success in business, and so 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.800 my point of view on my own personal finance is really, 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.960 you know, probably not a typical view that most people 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.200 coming into crypto would have. So in our community, I'm 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:31.399 really proud of it's six bipoc creators and collectors, almost women, 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.800 and I really try to have my voice be a 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.280 very distant one in the chorus of voices. You've been 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.280 a champion of women in so many different ways, right, 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:44.439 You've invested in so many female founded startups. You know, 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.359 I think that hug is creating this incredible space. So 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.320 one question I have that I don't know the answer 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.879 to is what roles you female friendships play in your 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.120 adult life. Wow, that's I mean, it's such a great question. 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.960 And one thing I will say is one thing that 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:04.040 shocked me about Web three is how collaborative women are 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.360 with one another. I almost feel like I have had 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.959 to unlearn everything that I've been taught, you know, Like 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.720 I feel like our generation we were taught that women 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.640 compete and that one woman's success is your failure, and 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.280 like being happy for a friend was always tinged with 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:24.360 a little bit of jealousy at the same time. And I, Um, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.160 the wonderful thing that I can say about Web three 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.520 is that I don't see any of that behavior at all. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.840 I see women collaborating and teaming up and working together, 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.600 and so um, I would say that female friendships have 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.680 a much bigger part of my life today than they 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:45.120 did even um nine months ago, and that um the 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.960 only way for women to succeed and Web three is 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.600 teaming up and just like hunkering down with other amazing 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.320 women around them. So that has been something that I've 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:59.639 had to, like very excitingly unlearned about my entire past. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.800 Who are your closest friends? Who are Oh gosh, um, 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.879 you know, I feel like I have I have friends 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.760 of like different interest categories. So I have my theater 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.120 friends like suit. I have close friends who I produce 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.320 with and who I go see a lot of theater with. 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:21.160 I have my golf friends because that sports saved my sanity. 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.080 During COVID, I was like, Okay, there's no theater to 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.480 produce anymore, there's nothing to do, so I'm going to 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.000 come out of this with a new skill. Um, and 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.240 now I have like these amazing friends who we traveled 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.560 together on like golf trips with our families is pretty wild. 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.360 And now I have my crypto friends, So it's it's 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:46.440 pretty fun to to have, um, you know, different, really 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.119 passionate friend groups. But I don't know. I don't know 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.040 about you guys, but I definitely have found myself over 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.240 the last decade, Like being in the trenches with three 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.520 young kids does not leave a lot of room for 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.240 for like doubling down on friendships, and so I feel 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.320 like it's only just now that I'm able to say 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:11.280 yes to traveling on trips with friends. And I feel 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.760 like for a decade I wasn't able to prioritize being 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.240 a great friend at that point. I think all three 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.119 of us have this kind of network of women around 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.520 the country where when you go to that city, you 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:24.760 see each other. You don't even need to necessarily be 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.359 in the same city to be close friends. And I 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.080 think that's one of the benefits of being out in 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.440 the world and outside of your home and really, like 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.919 you know, having a career that's that's so expansive, is 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.399 that that's something that adds value. And just like about 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.720 that to everyone who joins us, unless your story is that, 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.880 like we all come from completely different backgrounds and there's 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:49.879 no like ticket to enter this club of supportive women 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.000 around the country, because Randy, to your point, like, it 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.000 isn't this world where another woman's success is your failure. 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.639 It's like we all rise together and there's a ton 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.040 of upper tunity there totally. I mean, even just to 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.840 give an example that just warms my heart so much. 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.960 I started to get really frustrated by the fact that 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:13.119 pretty much only the top twenty performing n f T 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:16.560 collections are visible and they're all created by men. And 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.159 it's this you know, perpetuating cycle because then you know, 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.080 because they're selling well, they rank high on all the 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.159 n f T marketplaces. I put a tweet up I 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.920