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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Oh welcome in Tuesday edition. Clay j're havings,

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Joy almost started us off on a rough

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Speaker 1: note there, bucking about exactly what day it was. And

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Speaker 1: it's crazy in the Travis household every morning, to the

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Speaker 1: boys off to school. I'd never have any idea what's

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Speaker 1: going on in terms of the day of the week.

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Speaker 1: They're all chaotic. But we have got a loaded show

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Speaker 1: for all of you out there, and we hope that

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Speaker 1: you are having fantastic Tuesdays wherever you may be across

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Speaker 1: this great country around the world. We are here for

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Speaker 1: you for the next three hours. Next hour, right off

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Speaker 1: the top of hour two, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is

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Speaker 1: going to join us. He has a brand new book out.

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Speaker 1: Is he going to run for president? We will ask him.

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Speaker 1: Probably won't break that news on this show, but we

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Speaker 1: will ask, and I think you guys will enjoy that conversation.

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Speaker 1: So that is coming in the next hour. But a

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Speaker 1: couple of different stories that are underway that we will

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Speaker 1: be following today. Arguments at the Supreme Court over whether

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden has the authority to cancel four hundred billion

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Speaker 1: dollars plus in student loan debt with the stroke of

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Speaker 1: a pen and outlet without legislative authority. Spoiler alert, he

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Speaker 1: does not. I suspect this will be a six three

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Speaker 1: ruling against him, but we will discuss also we will

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Speaker 1: continue to follow what I believe is this crazy idea bluck.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's ever happened before, but Whoopie

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Speaker 1: Goldberg and I have the exact same opinion on something.

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Speaker 1: And when you manage to get Whoopee and me on

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Speaker 1: the same side of a story, you know that somebody

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Speaker 1: has screwed up in a big way. And in particular,

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Speaker 1: it's about this concept of book editing. We talked about

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Speaker 1: it yesterday or last week, sorry, with Charlie and the

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Speaker 1: chocolate factory rolled doll. I believe is how you pronounce

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Speaker 1: the name the legendary children's book author. Now they're doing

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Speaker 1: it to James Bond books, Ian Flemings, legendary James Bond books.

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Speaker 1: They are knocking out sexist, which having read those books,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know there's a lot of little bit

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Speaker 1: of a little bit of sexist and maybe in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixties compared to today when it comes to super

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Speaker 1: Agent James Bond. Bond does slap some women across the

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Speaker 1: face in the movies. I'm familiar with his cannon of work. Yes,

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Speaker 1: those books are great. By the way, they are now

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Speaker 1: editing those How many different books is happening to do?

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Speaker 1: We really have to go buy paper copies of every

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Speaker 1: original intent was. It's a really interesting discussion. But we

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Speaker 1: begin with the continued fallout. I would call it almost

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Speaker 1: a panic that has set in on the left wing

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Speaker 1: in this country as they have recognized, oh wait, all

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Speaker 1: those people that we accused of misinformation. The Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: is the Buck Sextons of the world that we've been

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Speaker 1: going to war with for years. They're actually right about everything.

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Speaker 1: And we're of course referring to the Department of Energy

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Speaker 1: making the determination that COVID most likely leaked from a

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Speaker 1: But I saw an interesting interplay book between Medi Hassan

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Speaker 1: and Medi Hassan so Nate Silver is upset because he

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Speaker 1: cover the idea that the lab leak theory exists. Right

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Speaker 1: instead of this zoonotic doctor fauci led idea that it

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't cover the COVID lab leak because they didn't

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Speaker 1: a wall. So Karl Popper, the philosopher, twentieth century philosopher,

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Speaker 1: how do you prove that that's not true? It's impossible. Oh.

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Speaker 1: A perfect example of this the genuflection after vaccination and infection.

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Speaker 1: That is unfalsifiable doctrine at work. How do you know

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Speaker 1: This is a fundamentally unfalsifiable belief, as in it cannot

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Speaker 1: fundamental fallacy of all of this, which is our team,

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Speaker 1: this was last year Buck when John Stewart went on

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Speaker 1: funding for WUHAN that created the monster in the first place.

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Speaker 1: a pure identity politics perspective, this obviously has come up.

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Speaker 1: that we've seen recently. I know Tucker has raised this

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Speaker 1: see this when this is implemented as the loosening of

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Speaker 1: objective standards to achieve more diversity and inclusion essentially, and

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Speaker 1: maybe the most obvious example of this, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of them, would be in the military. Right you change, okay,

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Speaker 1: we need more combat marines who are female. The only

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Speaker 1: way you're getting more combat capable marines who are female

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Speaker 1: and the numbers they want is to stop caring about

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Speaker 1: how fast can you run with a pack on you?

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Speaker 1: How accurately can you fire after marching eight miles? I

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Speaker 1: mean all of the basics of infantry tactics and ability.

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Speaker 1: You have to change the standards. And then what they

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Speaker 1: do is they change the standards whatever objective metrics the

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Speaker 1: profession has. And you're a bad person if you say,

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Speaker 1: hold on a second, you're changing the standards. So that

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Speaker 1: means we're going to have in the aggregate, a lower

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Speaker 1: quality of candidate in that arena, in that skill set,

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Speaker 1: in that profession. Right, you're going to have somebody who

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Speaker 1: is less capable than you would have if you had

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Speaker 1: a different standard set. Again, the military context, this is

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Speaker 1: the most clear. The Pentagon did a huge study of

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Speaker 1: of marines in this and what are to show, I

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Speaker 1: mean catastrophic differences in the combat capability of male female

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Speaker 1: for deployed units. When the standards are held the same

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Speaker 1: as to post it. You know, this is where the

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Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance comes in. If they're going to make a

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Speaker 1: police force more diverse and inclusive by making it easier

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is they're going to do, well, then you're

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Speaker 1: going to have a less capable police force, aren't you,

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Speaker 1: Which were then what's the point of the standards in

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Speaker 1: the first place, which directly could be argued to tie

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Speaker 1: into what happened to Tyree Nichols in Memphis? Right, there

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Speaker 1: is an argument that the lessening of standards in the

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Speaker 1: Memphis Police Department allowed those five police officers to be

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Speaker 1: the way, how quickly did that story vanish buck? Tyree

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Speaker 1: Nichols video far worse than in my opinion, the George

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Speaker 1: Floyd video. Right, if you look at what they did

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Speaker 1: to him, um and yes it was that was that

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Speaker 1: Man in custody to death. That is what happened there,

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Speaker 1: and we saw that right away. Yeah, and they stopped talking.

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Speaker 1: That has the bl No marches whatsoever, No, none of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, for twenty four hours, there were some

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Speaker 1: marches over the way, and then then it all faded away.

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Speaker 1: No riots, I should say, which is a good thing,

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Speaker 1: by the way, But it's interesting that the left treats

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Speaker 1: the circumstance so very differently. You see. I just bring

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Speaker 1: it back to Chicago. I would want to ask the

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Speaker 1: residents of Chicago what else has to happen here for

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Speaker 1: you to want somebody more competent, capable, and who believes

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Speaker 1: in police more and doesn't play diversity and inclusion politics

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Speaker 1: with every major decision, especially decisions that involve keeping people alive,

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Speaker 1: public safety, stopping old ladies of all colors from being mugged, beaten, robbed,

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Speaker 1: and all people, not just old lady. What else has

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Speaker 1: to happen? That's a great question. Maybe we'll find out

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Speaker 1: some of these results coming in from Chicago tonight. US

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Speaker 1: News and World Report. You know, they rank all sorts

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Speaker 1: of things, and one of the things they rank is

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Speaker 1: K to twelve education. According to them, New Jersey's the

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Speaker 1: the other hand, the lowest ranking states, again by US

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Speaker 1: News and World Report, New Mexico, Alaska, Arizona, Nevada, and Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: New Mexico is dead last in this study. No matter

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Speaker 1: where you'll live, public education needs your help, or at

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Speaker 1: least your interest. Hillsdale's College President Larry Arne, doctor Larry

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Speaker 1: arn shared his observations in a recent copy of Imprimus,

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Speaker 1: share with your friends and family. Special issue provides a

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Speaker 1: sense in an insane world. Mcrats have a habit of

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Speaker 1: doing things from the presidency that they have already said

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Speaker 1: they meeting. The president doesn't have the right to do

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama did this, Joe Biden has done this, and

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Speaker 1: in one of these instances, well, I guess Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 1: authority to do this. But it's pretty important Democrat in

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Speaker 1: a pay You had a hearing this morning by the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court of a case having to do with student

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Speaker 1: loan forgiveness or the cancelation of debt. Is really what

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Speaker 1: this is, loan forgiveness is the is the politically expedient term.

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Speaker 1: What it really is is the Biden administration because Biden,

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Speaker 1: student loan debt for qualified borrowers. And then Biden said, actually,

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Speaker 1: And the pandemic has become the excuse here that they

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Speaker 1: use the Heroes Act, which was a law passed after

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Speaker 1: September eleventh that gave the Secretary of Education, among many

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Speaker 1: other things in the law, the ability to use student

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Speaker 1: loan programs so that borrowers were not in a worse

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Speaker 1: position because of that national emergency or because of a

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Speaker 1: national emergency. So now it is the position of the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration that the post September eleventh Heroes Act allows

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Speaker 1: them to wipe away basically half a trillion dollars of debt.

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Speaker 1: And now Clay there are two challenges or from two directions,

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Speaker 1: there have been legal challenge to this. One is from

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Speaker 1: states one or from individuals. States are saying hold on.

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Speaker 1: A second, by doing this in a number of different capacities,

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Speaker 1: it affects US financially, meaning the States financially. If you're

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Speaker 1: just say yeah, no more of this money, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to pay it back. Individuals or one individual as

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Speaker 1: sued that's made its way up as part of this

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Speaker 1: saying well, hold on, I have commercial student loan debt,

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Speaker 1: so I don't qualify for the full twenty thousand. I

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Speaker 1: only can get the ten thousand from the federal government.

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Speaker 1: So there are standing issues, issues of standing that were

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Speaker 1: raised this morning before the court. My sense is, oh,

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Speaker 1: and then they get into major questions doctrine, as in,

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Speaker 1: can the president just be like, you know what, This

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Speaker 1: isn't a minor administrative thing. This is a big deal,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just going to decide instead of having Congress

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Speaker 1: decide that you can just say half a trillion dollars

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Speaker 1: of spending, or rather half a trillion dollars of loans

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Speaker 1: of money owed back, the federal government just goes away,

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Speaker 1: which really socializes the cost everybody else in the country.

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Speaker 1: My sense is they're going to get past the standing

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Speaker 1: issue and you're gonna have a six three decision here,

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Speaker 1: and once again it will be an example of Biden

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Speaker 1: executive overreach that gets slapped down by the court, but

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Speaker 1: no real consequence is beyond that. I think it just

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Speaker 1: shows as clay that they the attitude of Democrats when

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Speaker 1: they're in power is do as much as you can,

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Speaker 1: even if it's unconstitutional, because it'll take a long time

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Speaker 1: the political benefit in the short term in this case,

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Speaker 1: basically paying off the voters. It's exactly what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a six to three

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Speaker 1: decision the standing issue. And this is something that if

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Speaker 1: you are a law professor, you would love like you

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Speaker 1: dive into it, because basically you have to prove that

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Speaker 1: summarize it to in some way be rectified by an

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Speaker 1: that there isn't someone who is able or a state

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Speaker 1: that is able to bring this challenge. What Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: the debt's not going away. He's just taking the debt

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Speaker 1: the federal government. And so this process without any legislative

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Speaker 1: authority is unconstitutional. It's an overreach. I think that's likely

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Speaker 1: what is going to be happened when this story happened.

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Speaker 1: Buck I came on, I said, the Supreme Court's going

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Speaker 1: to strike this down. This is what's gonna how it's

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Speaker 1: gonna break down. But what you hit on is, I

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Speaker 1: think the sort of political calculus that was involved here.

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Speaker 1: Don't miss what happen happen right before the midterms. Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: knowing that he wanted to drive up young voters turnout

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Speaker 1: as much as he could. Said, I'm giving you an

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Speaker 1: incredible gift. Year's four to five hundred billion, depending on

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Speaker 1: what estimate you look at. That I'm just taking off

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Speaker 1: of your responsibility. And a bunch of young people went

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Speaker 1: out and they voted for Joe Biden because they said,

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Speaker 1: then now it's going to go to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court's going to strike it down. Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: going to come out and what is he going to say?

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Speaker 1: This is what happens when you have a conservative Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump appointed Supreme Court. They will not allow me, good

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Speaker 1: old uncle Joe to give you young people the debt

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Speaker 1: relief that you deserve. And that's why you have to

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Speaker 1: vote for me in twenty twenty four, because we'll take

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Speaker 1: this to Congress and we'll get this passed and we'll

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Speaker 1: deliver that debt relief to you. This is all I mean.

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Speaker 1: Moment it happened, Buck, I said, this is a masterful

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Speaker 1: political stroke. It's wildly unconstitutional, but there will be no

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Speaker 1: consequences because they will play it in twenty two. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it made twenty thousand, two hundred thousand, two million. I

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Speaker 1: don't know extra voters go out and be more likely

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Speaker 1: four he'll come back and say, I tried to do

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court kept me from doing for me doing it

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Speaker 1: for you. But I'll do it for you next time

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Speaker 1: if you vote for me in twenty four. That's the

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Speaker 1: story here. That's what's gonna happen. Yeah, it's a legal

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Speaker 1: laws looming, but a political win in the making anyway,

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Speaker 1: because ultimately Democrats always run as Santa Clause, a chubby,

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Speaker 1: garrulous fellow who has lots of free goodies to give

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Speaker 1: out to everybody. That is the Democrat approaches. We're just

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Speaker 1: gonna give you lots of free stuff. There's all this

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Speaker 1: free and just the big mean Republic can stand in

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Speaker 1: the way of all the toys we have here in

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Speaker 1: the bag for you. If only we were in charge,

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Speaker 1: everything would be so much better because of all the

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Speaker 1: free stuff. Unfortunately, that that works a lot of the

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Speaker 1: time with a lot of people. It's short term thinking

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Speaker 1: over long term reality. And with the student loan debt issue.

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Speaker 1: There are so many ways you can come at this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of them is so the people that

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Speaker 1: have already paid off their debts, you know, too bad

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Speaker 1: for you. You know you waited to buy that house,

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Speaker 1: too bad, You waited to buy that new car too bad.

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Speaker 1: You know, you should have waited for Uncle Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: to show up and give you taxpayer dollars and to

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Speaker 1: break effectively the contract that people sign when they get

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Speaker 1: this money for college. So that's a that's a big

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Speaker 1: part of it. And then there's all the other debts

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Speaker 1: that people hold. Are the people that forego college altogether

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Speaker 1: so they can work in a trade and not be

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Speaker 1: in debt. I went to undergrad to play. I didn't

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Speaker 1: go to grad school, Yeah, because I want to work

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Speaker 1: in media. Sure. Also I didn't want to run up

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Speaker 1: a two hundred and something thousand dollars debt for an

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Speaker 1: MBA from some fancy school and then hope that someone

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Speaker 1: pays me enough to pay it off. So I mean

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Speaker 1: I looked at this. If someone said you you could

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Speaker 1: go to get an MBA for free, I would have

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Speaker 1: probably had a very different feeling about the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Or even if they were gonna tell me tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars would go toward it, no questions asked. Yeah, Look,

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Speaker 1: I didn't pay off all my student loan debts until

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Speaker 1: I was in my upper thirties, I think, and in

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Speaker 1: a large percentage the data reflects of these forgiven loans

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Speaker 1: actually are grad school loans, so it's not like somebody

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Speaker 1: who was really struggling to put themselves through. And I'll

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Speaker 1: just add, this will be at least the third direct

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Speaker 1: overturn of unconstitutional action by Joe Biden in the last

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Speaker 1: when it happens in the last what six months a year?

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Speaker 1: Remember the eviction moratorium, Joe Biden tried to extend it

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Speaker 1: without congressional authority, it was shot down. The COVID shot mandate,

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Speaker 1: again without congressional authority. He was trying to use OSHA

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Speaker 1: as the opportunity to do that, and now he's trying

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Speaker 1: to use I think it's worth mentioning this, you know,

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Speaker 1: emergency as defined from the two thousand and one Act

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But we're not in an emergency starting in May.

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Speaker 1: So the COVID emergency, even by Joe Biden's own definition,

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Speaker 1: effectively ends in May. When he said He's going to

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Speaker 1: wave his magic wand and suddenly COVID is gone. So

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be three straight Trump Supreme Court appointed

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Speaker 1: realities that have kept him from behaving in an unconstitutional fashion.

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Speaker 1: You laid out all the times that Biden has acted

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Speaker 1: in an unconstitutional fashion, which is another way of saying,

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Speaker 1: this is abused executive authority in a way that is unconstitutional,

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Speaker 1: violated the Constitution. Barack Obama had to be overturned by

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court his actions as president thirteen times. Thirteen times,

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration, you know, all the way to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court saying we have the right to do this

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Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court, which, by the way, it was

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Speaker 1: a different court and a more narrowly divided one that

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Speaker 1: even this one said no, you can't actually do that,

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Speaker 1: Like you can't tell the Senate when the Senate is

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Speaker 1: in session just because you feel like it because you're president.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are a whole range of things. This

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Speaker 1: is one that I think Trump does not get enough

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Speaker 1: attention for and praise. He went three for three with

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Speaker 1: I really do mean that, because if you look at

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Speaker 1: terms of what you can rely on them doing. Trump

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Speaker 1: stepped into the batter's box and went yard three straight times. Now,

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Speaker 1: you can still quibble with some of the individual decisions

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Speaker 1: at times, but these are three studs he put onto

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Speaker 1: and talk to about this across the board, I have

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Speaker 1: an a plus on judges, which is a big deal, yes,

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Speaker 1: Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are joined now by Florida

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Speaker 1: Governor Ron de Santis. He has a brand new book

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Speaker 1: that is out right now that I know many of

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Speaker 1: you will be checking out. And as we bring in

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Speaker 1: the governor, what'd you find the writing of a book

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Speaker 1: like compared to the other aspects of being a governor

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Speaker 1: and a leader. What was the bookwriting process like for you? Well,

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Speaker 1: it gave me the chance to kind of reflect on

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Speaker 1: what Florida has done over the last four years and

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Speaker 1: what it's meant really for the country, because we've had

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Speaker 1: so many people that have come to Florida to visit,

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Speaker 1: to escape some of the bad policies and other parts

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Speaker 1: of the country, and even to uproot their families and

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Speaker 1: make Florida their home. And I think it's a great

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Speaker 1: story because we see the federal government floundering, we see

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Speaker 1: some of these big blue states floundering, and yet Florida

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Speaker 1: as an example that you know you can succeed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got to stand in there, you got to fight

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Speaker 1: against a lot of entrenched interests, but you can beat

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Speaker 1: the left wing elites and you can deliver real results

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Speaker 1: for the people that you represent. And not only that,

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Speaker 1: but they will respond in record fashion by giving you

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Speaker 1: a big victory. Because I got elected with thirty two

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Speaker 1: thousand votes in twenty eighteen. Come November of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: after four years of successes, we won by one point

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Speaker 1: five million votes. Hey, Governor, it's Buck. You know, I know.

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Speaker 1: The book is The Courage to Be Free, Florida's blueprint

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Speaker 1: for America's revival. I want to we want to ask

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Speaker 1: you about that blueprint here, of course, But but first

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Speaker 1: you mentioned this about how people will respond to good policies.

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Speaker 1: Can you just update as the governor, you you certainly

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Speaker 1: know the latest update everybody on what has happened in Florida.

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Speaker 1: Buy the numbers people moving there, the crime rate, the economy.

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Speaker 1: You know you're talking about the success story. Tell everybody

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Speaker 1: what that has meant. Sure, so, our crime rates at

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Speaker 1: a fifty year or low. We're the nation's fastest growing state.

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Speaker 1: We've led the nation in net in migration every year

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Speaker 1: that I've been governor. We're number one in economic freedom

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Speaker 1: and education freedom. We have one of the lowest per

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Speaker 1: capita state tax burdens in America, one of the lowest

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Speaker 1: per capita state debt burdens in America, and we have

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Speaker 1: the largest budget surplus in the history of the state

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Speaker 1: of Florida. When I was elected four years ago, they

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Speaker 1: were close to three hundred thousand more registered Democrats in

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Speaker 1: the state of Florida than Republicans. And we've never had

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Speaker 1: more registered Republicans than Democrats in Florida history. Today we've

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Speaker 1: got four hundred and twenty thousand more registered Republicans than Democrats,

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Speaker 1: and so I think it shows that the success has

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Speaker 1: driven good political results. I think we've had people move

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Speaker 1: who've been drawn to the Florida model, and I think

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Speaker 1: that they were more likely to agree with me. But

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Speaker 1: I do think we've got a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: Florida who may have voted the other way in the past,

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Speaker 1: who we've been able to convert over our side because

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Speaker 1: they've seen that we've been right on these issues. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to Florida Governor Rhna Santis specifically speaking to that

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Speaker 1: you started coming on with me on my sports radio

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Speaker 1: show to argue that kids needed to be in school,

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Speaker 1: that Florida was going to open up, and not only

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Speaker 1: are you going to open up, kids are going to

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Speaker 1: be able to play high school football in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there listening to us

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Speaker 1: right now who kids didn't get to go to school

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Speaker 1: in person. They had to wear masks, something that you

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Speaker 1: fought against. They weren't able to play sports. They lost

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Speaker 1: a huge part of their educational opportunity because they had

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Speaker 1: failed leadership. A state like California is a good example

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Speaker 1: of that. What do we need to see? I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you saw the Department of Energy now says, oh, this

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Speaker 1: loop leaked from COVID did a Wuhan lab. Everything that

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Speaker 1: people like you and me and Buck have been arguing

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Speaker 1: for years is basically being proven true. What should happen?

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Speaker 1: What should a reckoning look like? Given the state of Florida,

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Speaker 1: your leadership, you got everything right, and yet it seems

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Speaker 1: like most Democrats still don't want to acknowledge all that

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Speaker 1: they got wrong. Yeah, I mean I think you know,

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Speaker 1: when you and I would talk about the sports, we

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Speaker 1: these kids need to be playing sports. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: roundly criticized an attack because we said we had UFC

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Speaker 1: the first live sporting event after it was Florida in

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Speaker 1: May of twenty twenty in Jacksonville, and we got killed

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Speaker 1: how the press for doing that, And then we had

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Speaker 1: the golf, and we had the youth sports all summer

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Speaker 1: and everything. And you look, if your parents didn't want

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Speaker 1: their kids playing because of COVID, I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: the right decision. But fine, weren't forcing anyone play, but

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Speaker 1: we had to allow that. And I'll tell you you

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Speaker 1: remember when the Big Ten and the PAC twelve canceled

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Speaker 1: the season in the summer of twenty twenty. The SEC

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Speaker 1: was moving in that direction and I was working behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, and I said, the University of Florida is

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Speaker 1: not going to be party to canceling the college football season.

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Speaker 1: And so we got Florida right, and we made sure

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Speaker 1: the r ACC schools were in line and they wanted

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Speaker 1: to be Florida State in Miami. And so when the

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Speaker 1: SEC and the AC said no, no, no, we're playing

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Speaker 1: and then they start doing it, that put huge pressure

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Speaker 1: on the Big Ten to reverse and they had to

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Speaker 1: and it was really embarrassing what ended up happening with them.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with our high school season, and they were

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Speaker 1: very close because ours is run by a private association,

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Speaker 1: it's not run by our Department of Education. This private

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Speaker 1: association was very close to canceling false sports. So we

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Speaker 1: had to spend a lot of capital to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we saved the season, and we did. And now

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Speaker 1: people look back and it's like, oh, of course that

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Speaker 1: was the right thing to do. But at the time

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Speaker 1: we were in the very very small minority. Every single

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Speaker 1: expert criticized us. When we had our high school athletic

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Speaker 1: association determined as they have a medical committee, every single

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Speaker 1: doctor was saying that this was going to be damaging

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Speaker 1: for kids to have them play sports, it to allow

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Speaker 1: them to play sports, and they were all wrong. So

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Speaker 1: I think when you're talking about what needs to be done,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the high levels of the bureaucracy just need

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Speaker 1: to be flushed out. I mean, these are failed agencies

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Speaker 1: when you talk about things like the CDC and the FDA,

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Speaker 1: and also some of the people in these medical societies

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Speaker 1: that really pursued politics ret in ideology rather than following

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Speaker 1: the data. And look, I don't know if it's just

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Speaker 1: some people will never admit that they were wrong because

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Speaker 1: they think that that's bad for them. But like for

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Speaker 1: you to say certain things in March of twenty twenty

860
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Speaker 1: when we didn't have all the data in, you know,

861
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Speaker 1: you can kind of understand and give someone a mulligan.

862
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Speaker 1: But once the data is in and you continue to

863
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Speaker 1: keep your head in the sand and advocate for destructive policies,

864
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: you should not be in a position of leadership ever. Again,

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Speaker 1: speaking to Florida Governor Rod De Santis, his book is

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Speaker 1: out today, The Courage to Be Free, Florida's Blueprint for

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Speaker 1: America's Revival. Governor, take us through the blueprint, because obviously

868
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Speaker 1: you're the governor of Florida, and you've had tremendous success there,

869
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: and you've had so many people that have moved. I

870
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: think voting with their feet is the single most clear

871
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: and most important way that they can show how they

872
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: feel about your governance and what's going on in the

873
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Speaker 1: state of Florida. How does this translate though, to other states?

874
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Speaker 1: How is this a blueprint or other places across the

875
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Speaker 1: country to have the same kind of economic boom but

876
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: just also increases in freedom and prosperity in a sense

877
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Speaker 1: of forward momentum. Well, I think there's there's three things.

878
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Speaker 1: One is, you know, you've got to be grounded in

879
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Speaker 1: the right principles, and I think everything we've done in

880
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: Florida grows out of the basic foundations that have made

881
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: America what it is today that the founding fathers talked

882
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: about that are reflected in our constitution, and that and

883
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: of itself is much different than what you would see

884
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Speaker 1: in a state like California where they where they go

885
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: a much different way. Second, you have to recognize if

886
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Speaker 1: you want a free state right now in this day

887
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Speaker 1: and age, it's not just protecting people from government over each.

888
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: Of course you have to do that, but we have

889
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: a lot of power exercised by non governmental agencies or

890
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: organizations Corporate America, big Tech. You also have wokeness in

891
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: the federal bureaucracy and in universities and so people. I

892
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: think part of freedom is being free from having the

893
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: left impose its agenda on you. But that means you've

894
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: got to fight across all those different terrain and we've

895
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 1: done that here in Florida. And then finally when you're

896
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Speaker 1: doing that, I mean we call it the courage to

897
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: be free because leadership has a cost. And particularly if

898
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: you're standing for the things that Florida has stood. Just

899
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: know the less not just gonna lie down and let

900
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: you let you do it. They're gonna fight because you're

901
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: fighting on their turf. You show a different example for

902
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: the rest of the country. The unfavorable comparisons between these

903
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: blue states in Florida, you know that calls in the

904
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: question their whole worldview. So they're gonna attack you, they're

905
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: gonna smear you, they're gonna distort, they're gonna do whatever

906
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: they can, and you've got to be willing to take

907
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: that fire, stand strong, and fight back. I loved it.

908
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: I was down in Florida for July fourth, and Gavin

909
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: Newsom is running ads on Fox News as I'm sitting

910
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: on my couch down there in my Florida place, which

911
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: thankfully I'm happy to have you as a governor down there,

912
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: and he's lost eight hundred thousand population in California in

913
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: terms of net migrations out you have gained seven hundred thousand,

914
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: which is sorry, he's lost seven hundred thousand. You guys

915
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: have gained eight hundred thousand, which is pretty crazy. And

916
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: I believe the report is we wrote about this at OutKick.

917
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's own in laws relocated from California to Florida

918
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: and donated to you. Now, that is amazing, But as

919
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: Buckas said, isn't voting with your feet between California and

920
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: Florida a perfect approximation. I would say, you, guys, as

921
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: current governors handled COVID about as different as two governors could.

922
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: And overwhelmingly Americans have voted with their own residency in

923
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: your favor. Isn't that like sign sealed and delivered in

924
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: the argument? Yeah, especially when you consider I mean think

925
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: about we had a lot of people flee from New York, right,

926
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: but we've always had people moved from New York. You know,

927
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: you live a life in New York, you retire, you

928
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: go to Boca. Doesn't mean you hate New York necessarily.

929
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: Now recently there's been a lot of people that have

930
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: been dissatisfied. Granted, but to go from California and to

931
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: go three thousand miles across the continent to come to Florida,

932
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, that is a huge, huge thing. And I

933
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 1: grew up in Florida and I never saw a California

934
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: license plate in my life until growing up, and then

935
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: until I became governor, you started to see them. And

936
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a lot of Florida voters freaked out

937
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: because they were thinking either a lot of liberal California voters.

938
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: But it turns out These are people that were disaffected

939
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: by what was going on out there, and they would

940
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: pick up and move. That is a very powerful statement

941
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: to move your family across the continent. And as you

942
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: guys know, I mean like if you're in if you

943
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: move from New York, you can hop on a plane

944
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: from Palm Beach back up to JFK. It's a two

945
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: and a half hour flight, see your family, whatever. But

946
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: it's a big deal going across the country. And the

947
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: fact that people were willing to do that. And oh,

948
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: by the way, we're proud of being the Sunshine state.

949
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: California's got pretty dog on good weather too, So it

950
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: isn't like they're leaving the cold of Minnesota to move

951
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: to Naples. They're leaving a state that was the ideal

952
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: for the American dream for most of our lifetimes and

953
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: even probably before that, and now is a state that's

954
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: hemorrhaging people at record numbers. And while Florida is enjoying

955
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: its biggest ever budget surplus, California is facing close to

956
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: a thirty billion dollar budget deficit. Governor de Santis is

957
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: with us now. The Courage to be Free is the book.

958
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: You know, you have the blueprint governor what states are

959
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: already starting to implement. What you would say is that

960
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: the pathway to prosperity and freedom in the American revival.

961
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 1: I mean, where else are you seeing governor's doing things

962
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: that you say that makes sense to me that's the

963
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: right move. Well, I think if you look, people focused

964
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: on our red wave in Florida, and it was it

965
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: was legitimate. But there was a red wave in Iowa

966
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: under Governor Kim Reynolds. And if you look at what

967
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: him's done on education, fighting back against COVID authoritarianism, what

968
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: she's done to keep Iowa safe with law and order.

969
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: She's done a lot of the stuff you know that

970
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: we've done in the state of Florida. And what I

971
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: tell her is when the people from the Midwest come down,

972
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: mostly to Southwest Florida, you run into them. You know,

973
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: the people from Illinois are really bitter about what's going

974
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: on in Illinois. The people in Michigan were very bitter,

975
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: particularly during COVID. People from Iowa, you know, they're happy

976
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: to be in Florida, but they like Iowa, they like

977
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: and they're they're just much more happy with what's going

978
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: on back home. I think that's a testament to her.

979
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: I think you look at other states that have gained population,

980
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: like Georgia. You know, Governor Kemp opened up Georgia. He

981
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: was being attacked by Fauchi and even people at the

982
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: White House and was willing to stand his ground on that.

983
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: And I thought that that was a huge, huge thing,

984
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: and I thought that that benefited Georgia tremendously. Clay, you know,

985
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: Tennessee is booming. I mean, you know, you have people.

986
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: When I was in Nashville during COVID to energy, he

987
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: felt similar to what you see in Florida where all

988
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: these people are coming. I don't know if they're how

989
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: they're voting. Hopefully they're voting the right way, but clearly,

990
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's drawing a lot of people who are

991
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: looking for greener pastures. So I think there's a lot

992
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: of success stories, and I think that it's great to

993
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: have a healthy competition with all these different states. And

994
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: really it's just been a competition to see, you know,

995
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: who's going to receive more people from the failed woke states.

996
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: You're right about Tennessee. Last question for you, it's the

997
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: number one question everybody in our audience has. Are you

998
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: going to run for president in twenty twenty four, and

999
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 1: what is the time frame to make that decision. Well,

1000
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: if I told people I have a legislative session coming up,

1001
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: we have supermajorities now, and I'm going to be able

1002
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: to deliver a huge agenda for Florida, and so that's

1003
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: going to be my focus. I am talking about the

1004
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: book partially because I'm proud of what we've done in Florida.

1005
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: So I've got the next probably three months where I'm

1006
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: going to be focusing on that, and then we'll get

1007
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: on the other side of that, and who knows, maybe

1008
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: I'll come on your show if if I have an

1009
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: announcement to make, I think that would be an excellent

1010
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: idea Governor, just throwing that out there. Yeah, and we

1011
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: would certainly welcome that opportunity, and we appreciate the time.

1012
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: Good luck. Hey, I hope the New York Times will

1013
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: allow you to open number one overall. You know, they

1014
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: have that rigged best seller list that they don't typically

1015
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: allow a lot of conservatives, So good luck on the rankings. Yeah,

1016
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: you know, but I think I win either way because

1017
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: if they blackball me, and I clearly have sold the

1018
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: most and that will get a lot, a lot of

1019
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: positive feedback on that too. Well, this audience is going

1020
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Speaker 1: to mobilize the courage to be free. Florida's Blueprint for

1021
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: America's revival. Get a copy, Governor Ron de Santis, Thank

1022
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: you so much, sir, Take care guys, Bye bye. You

1023
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Speaker 1: know all about how woke activists seize control of America's schools.

1024
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1025
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1026
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1027
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Speaker 1: you know that control trillions of dollars of your money

1028
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: are using those dollars to advance their woke ideology through

1029
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Speaker 1: a progressive social scoring program called EESG. They claim it

1030
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: promotes corporate responsibility, but what they're really doing is using

1031
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,880
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1032
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,960
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1033
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Speaker 1: fighting back and more are joining, letting those investment firms

1034
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1035
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1036
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