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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Opening Day, Yankee San Francisco

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Speaker 1: Giants on Netflix. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be,

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Speaker 1: however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part

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Speaker 1: of your day. Before I get the Nick Swisher, I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for that. Yes, Network Baseball analyst, great energy,

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Speaker 1: funny guy. So you know it's funny. I'm watching all

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Speaker 1: these March Madness ratings the last two years, they've been

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Speaker 1: through the roof. You gotta be careful. I don't care

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Speaker 1: what people say. I care what people do. I watch actions.

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Speaker 1: So this is the second time in the history of

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Speaker 1: March Madness, the second only second time the Sweet sixteen

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Speaker 1: is made up entirely of teams from major conferences. You

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Speaker 1: want to know the other time it happened last year

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Speaker 1: and the ratings are through the roof. You tell me

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Speaker 1: you love the indie band, but what you really go

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Speaker 1: to the sphere to watch is you two?

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Speaker 3: Right, everybody? Everybody.

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Speaker 1: That's way cooler to say, oh, man, I love this band.

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Speaker 1: Is an indie band. Yeah, they've made sixteen spider mans.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: It's way cooler to say Hollywood doesn't do anything new

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Speaker 1: because every time they do, nobody goes to the theater.

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Speaker 1: Somebody get Tom Cruise on the phone. So you know

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Speaker 1: what my take is, the ratings are through the roof,

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Speaker 1: and it's because there's no underdogs. I remember my first

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Speaker 1: day on syndicated radio twenty years ago at the Other Place,

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Speaker 1: and I remember one of my opening takes was, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you don't know who I am. Here's the rules. I

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Speaker 1: don't like underdogs. I like favorites, so do you, but

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Speaker 1: it's not cool to admit that. I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: tell you right now. Yankees, Notre Dame, Duke, USC, Lakers, Celtics,

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Speaker 1: those are my teams. I'm a front runner. I like

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Speaker 1: the big dogs. And it was funny because the underdog

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Speaker 1: now is Texas as an eleven seed, they beat Gonzaga,

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Speaker 1: So I'm sorry you're no longer an underdog. Here's Sean

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Speaker 1: Miller addressing that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't think we ever really want

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Speaker 4: to sign up to be the Cinderella story because we

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Speaker 4: are the University of Texas and look, we represent the.

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Speaker 3: SEC as well.

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Speaker 4: There's no easy game in SEC. The league itself prepares

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Speaker 4: you for postseason, and then when you enter postseason, Dylan

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Speaker 4: hit it. You know, it's a new beginning, and sometimes

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Speaker 4: the lessons you've learned along the way strengthen you. We're

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Speaker 4: a much better team right now than we would have

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, there's a radio format called Top forty.

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Speaker 1: You know what radio format doesn't work? Let's play a

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Speaker 1: bunch of bands nobody's heard of. Second year in a row.

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Speaker 1: People want. They want Michigan State, they want Yukon. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. I got Yukon and Hurley. I got

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Speaker 1: Michigan State and his old Friday. Yeah, I'm watching that.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of big brands, Nick Swisher, baseball analysts for the Yankees,

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Speaker 1: went to Ohio State, another big brand, Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: What's good, buddy, how you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great? You know it's the Yankees are such

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Speaker 1: a gigantic brand. But Ian O'Connor who's a great writer

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Speaker 1: and he said, listen, right now, the Dodgers they are

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Speaker 1: the Yankees twenty years ago. They're more aggressive in the

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I'm never gonna come. I'm never gonna

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Speaker 3: I mean, it just kind of seems like right now

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt. I got to spend a little time

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Speaker 3: I said, Doc, I didn't know it was possible for

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Speaker 3: And he's just really over the moon about his team.

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Speaker 3: The culture is set over there. They have great veteran

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Speaker 3: You can slot him in anywhere in the lineup and

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Speaker 1: Are you surprised, I mean, you played in star studded

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Speaker 1: of it is Dave Roberts, Joe Tory. I always said

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Speaker 1: Joe Torrey was always the step dad that you didn't

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Speaker 1: Dave has kind of a softer hand. Are you surprised

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers don't have I mean there's literally no egos,

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Speaker 1: there's literally no drama. I mean, is it the Kershaw influence, Dave?

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Speaker 3: What is it? I think it's a combination of a

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Speaker 3: You know. I remember I was talking to Doc a

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Speaker 3: He said, absolutely, Swish. It took time to develop this,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden you bring over Mookie Bets, natural

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Speaker 3: So when you roll into that locker room, it was

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Speaker 3: The core four had already set the expectations and it

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what the Dodgers are doing. They're

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Speaker 3: Wader over there on the Dodgers man with the Google

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Speaker 3: him money Baby. They feel it really good about where

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Speaker 1: So you know, an interesting player. And I watched him

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's always been guys like that, like a

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Speaker 2: Hell, yes, that's the right.

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Speaker 3: Answer, right. I mean, I think at the end of

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Speaker 2: His girlfriend right now, I on them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're watching him all the time, and he

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Speaker 3: And it's crazy because for someone like that to have

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Speaker 3: one of those things where obviously Cy Young's are huge

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Speaker 1: So I don't believe in salary caps for baseball. I

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Speaker 1: have to spend about a million one hundred and fifty million.

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Speaker 1: Guardians were around there, Brewers were around there, and if

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Speaker 1: you're well run, you can win games. If you're spending

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Speaker 1: eighty ninety you can't compete. You'r a tripa baseball team.

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Speaker 1: I look at the Met Ioways argue that money doesn't

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Speaker 1: the Mets interesting Juan Soto, but it doesn't make them good.

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Speaker 1: My question with Steve Cohen and the money is the

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Speaker 1: Yankees have a culture, The Dodgers have a culture, Milwaukee's

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Speaker 1: My question is with the Mets, do you trust their culture?

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Speaker 1: Because they were a huge disappointment last year.

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Speaker 1: Todd McShay, Nick Swisher. Yeah, the the Puka Nakua situation.

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Speaker 5: All right, let's go from biting people to recruiting people.

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Speaker 5: Colin James Harrison, former Pittsburgh Steeler, a legend.

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Speaker 8: Listen man, he's making moves on Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: of years that Burrow in the offseason and he's sending

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Speaker 1: messages which is like, guys, I'm gonna go have fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to the Oscars, I'm going overseas. I'm going

435
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Speaker 1: to go have a good time. And I don't care.

436
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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna literally give every minute to

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Speaker 1: Ohio and Cincinnati when you will not go spend any money.

438
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Speaker 1: And I think he is there's there's he's protecting himself

439
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Speaker 1: because Burrow is one of the most competitive people in

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Speaker 1: the league. He's a total competitive freak. And the Bengals

441
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: ownership isn't they settle a lot. So I think Joe

442
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Speaker 1: would move in us. He'd never say this because he

443
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Speaker 1: understands the value of quarterback and team. I think Burrow

444
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Speaker 1: would love to go to like the Rams. If if

445
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Speaker 1: Stafford retired, I think he love it.

446
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if we're being real, you know, the

447
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Speaker 5: season was over for the Bengals in January. I think

448
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 5: January to May, he's going to be hanging out in Cincinnati.

449
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Speaker 5: He'd be hanging out in Paris and Los Angeles. He's

450
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Speaker 5: out here with all these Instagram models hanging out. Listen.

451
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Speaker 5: He's got a great life. But the question is is

452
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Speaker 5: there any world where the Bengals would trade him in

453
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Speaker 5: the division? I say, no, shot, there's I don't care

454
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Speaker 5: what the trade package is. I don't want to trade

455
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Speaker 5: Burrow in the division. Have to see him twice a year,

456
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Speaker 5: excel in the postseason. I cannot imagine this happening, right, No,

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Speaker 5: there's no way.

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Speaker 8: The Bengals are that dumb in the front of us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not going to trade him to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: But the a team like the Rams. You know, hey,

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Speaker 5: Matt Stafford walks away. You know, we're not gonna pay

462
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Speaker 5: Pooka because he's an off the field mess. All of

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Speaker 5: a sudden, and we got room, we can we can

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Speaker 5: take Burrow.

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Speaker 8: What do you want.

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Speaker 5: We'll give up all the picks we don't care and

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Speaker 5: maybe players too.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, I think you know, the.

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Speaker 5: Time Burrow is going to be spending in Cincinnati is

470
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Speaker 5: probably getting near the end.

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Speaker 8: What a year or two more?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this. This feels so rams, you know, but

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Speaker 1: you know they've got Stafford for two more years.

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Speaker 5: So I would not count out Jerry Jones in Dallas.

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Speaker 5: That's got a couple more years. Jerry desperate would throw

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Speaker 5: the kitchen sink at Burrow. I would say it's worth

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Speaker 5: keeping an eye on. By the way, the Steelers still

478
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Speaker 5: stink and have no quarterback. All right, let's move on

479
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Speaker 5: to the Denver Broncos column. This is your team. You

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Speaker 5: really got behind them early last year, a rare good

481
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Speaker 5: call by you. Well, now they got Jalen Waddle and

482
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Speaker 5: this team is kind of stacked on offense. They got

483
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Speaker 5: a new play caller in Davis Webb, which I'm curious about.

484
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Speaker 8: But an appearance on the NFL Network, running back JK.

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Speaker 5: Dobbins believes Denver has too many weapons. It's like pick

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Speaker 5: your poison. Here we go.

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Speaker 3: I think we're gonna do some things that people they're

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Speaker 3: all infected. And then we got we got another guy

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Speaker 3: that just came in and Jaylen Mahall got not bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a.

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Speaker 3: Poisoning because we got Courtland's side, and we got the

492
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Speaker 3: young fat Bran, we got a great old line, we

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Speaker 3: got everything right.

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Speaker 5: We got an embarrassment of rich is on this team

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Speaker 5: of talent.

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Speaker 3: You know, so I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they do. I mean, they have the best roster

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Speaker 1: in the vision. I don't think that's I mean, I

499
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Speaker 1: thought Jaylen Waddle, I thought of first, the third of fifth.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a little rich. But if you

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Speaker 1: go look at the history of Sean Payton, when he

502
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Speaker 1: has a dominant number one receiver, I still think. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you have wad Land, Courtland Sutton and now you've

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Speaker 1: got Franklin, they still have Mims.

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Speaker 5: The kid Pat Bryant that he mentioned, he showed some

506
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Speaker 5: things last year. He's a promising young guy. I'll just

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Speaker 5: say this. You know you said it was maybe rich

508
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Speaker 5: giving up those picks Klent. The more people I have

509
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Speaker 5: asked about the NFL Draft, this is a weak draft.

510
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Speaker 5: I know people are trying to hype it with this

511
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Speaker 5: Ty Simpson nonsense. It's a down draft. There's just not

512
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Speaker 5: a lot of top end blue chip talent that's next

513
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Speaker 5: year's draft where it's absolutely stacked.

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Speaker 8: So I don't it will see if they gave up

515
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Speaker 8: too much.

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Speaker 5: I think Denver looks like a They project as like

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Speaker 5: a twelve win team next year.

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Speaker 1: What does it over unders? Is it ten and a half? Eleven?

519
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Speaker 1: What is well?

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Speaker 5: If the Ravens is eleven and a half, like you said,

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Speaker 5: there's no way that Broncos is any lower. It has

522
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Speaker 5: to be right around there, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think Denver's roster best rosters

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Speaker 1: in the league rams Eagles, Denver rams Egos.

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Speaker 5: That sounds about right. I think Denver's probably the leader

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Speaker 5: in the AFC. I know some people want to say Chiefs,

527
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Speaker 5: I'm not buying that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, boy, they have the Broncos at nine and

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Speaker 1: a half wins. It's almost disrespectful. I love Denver.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to Vegas soon. I will be betting

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Speaker 5: that if it's indeed nine and a half wins. Come on, now,

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Speaker 5: are you sure that's.

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Speaker 1: What it says? And a half that's the best. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the best bets on the board. Nine and

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Speaker 1: a half.

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Speaker 8: Show me the weak group of the position players that

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Speaker 8: they have.

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Speaker 1: They're not great at tight end.

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Speaker 8: Oh man, that's the end of the world.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're loaded at receiver, good running back room,

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Speaker 5: your guy Bo Nicks. Now the play caller is the

542
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Speaker 5: big question. Do we know anything about Davis Webb. No,

543
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Speaker 5: but at some point that job offers around the league

544
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Speaker 5: that I need more than that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I trust Peyton's call on them.

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Speaker 5: All Right, We'll wrap up with Lebron and the Lakers.

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Speaker 5: Austin Reeves has really become a stud this year. Should

548
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Speaker 5: be an All Star if not for that injury. He's

549
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Speaker 5: dunking on people, He's crossing them up. He had that

550
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Speaker 5: heroic moment against the Nuggets with the purposely missed free throw.

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Speaker 5: Well Reeves joined Lebron and Nash on the Mind the

552
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Speaker 5: Game podcast and listen to Lebron's first reaction about playing

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Speaker 5: with Reeves back in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: The first thing I noticed that It's kind of funny.

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Speaker 3: We always talked about this. He didn't play like a

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Speaker 3: white boy. It was very different. His wiggle was very different.

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Speaker 9: His game kind of it showed a pro and that's

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Speaker 9: what what That's what I saw early on. So as

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Speaker 9: soon as training camp started, I kind of made it

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Speaker 9: a point to kind of beline it to him and

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Speaker 9: kind of kind of forced something into him, maybe even

562
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Speaker 9: before he even saw it. Push belief, Just push that belief,

563
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Speaker 9: that confidence, like you belong here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Austin go look at his stat line. He

565
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: just gets better. You can you can watch certain players

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Speaker 1: and you can see the time in the gym, like

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Speaker 1: that's a guy is to be undrafted? Is he the

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Speaker 1: best undrafted player of all time? He's got to be

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Speaker 1: in a discussion, isn't he.

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Speaker 5: Uh, that's a good one. I will look into that.

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Speaker 1: That might be just the best second round player. He's

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Speaker 1: the best undrafted player.

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Speaker 8: Certainly up there.

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Speaker 5: We'll I'll dig into it in the commercial. Let me

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Speaker 5: ask you, Colin. The timing now, I don't know when

576
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 5: this was recorded. Could have been All Star Break, who knows,

577
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 5: but the timing of this drop of Lebron and Austin

578
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Speaker 5: Reeves sitting side by side on a podcast together, very

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Speaker 5: copasetic and happy. It's almost like Lebron is deferring to Austin. Hey,

580
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Speaker 5: lucas the one, Lebron. This guy's the two. I'm not

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Speaker 5: the two. This guy who I have it on my podcast,

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Speaker 5: he's the two.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lebron is incredibly intentional. Nothing with Lebron is random.

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Speaker 1: No tweets are random. Everything with Lebron and this is

585
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Speaker 1: not a criticism. He's all business, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So Lebron's a very intentional guy. Is you know, he's

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Speaker 1: we got to give Lebron credit. He's he's he's willing

588
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: to do the role guy and that's that's that's a

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Speaker 1: big ask.

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Speaker 5: The messaging here about really gassing up Austin Reeves as

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Speaker 5: a stud and Lebron taking a backseat is just another

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Speaker 5: stroke of genius from the king. And I know people

593
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 5: don't like Lebron, that's fine, But the reality is he

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Speaker 5: does want to stay in Los Angeles. His family wants

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Speaker 5: to stay, his daughter, everybody want to be here, and

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Speaker 5: Lebron's doing what it takes to stay here.

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Speaker 8: Smart, you know.

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Speaker 2: J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 2: thanks for stopping by. The heard line news that.

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Speaker 1: That Denver Bronco's nine and a half is a weird number.

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Speaker 1: I don't even understand that. Like Raven's eleven and a half,

602
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Speaker 1: that's the smartest underbet on the board. Broncos nine and

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Speaker 1: a half the smartest over bet on the board like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't get the number is in bo Nick's that

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Speaker 1: injury is. Let's see, the Chiefs have tied for the

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Speaker 1: highest over under in the AFC West. So you have

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Broncos at the same number. That's

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Speaker 1: really interesting. Now again, I think there's you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a that just paying respect to read Mahomes and Beach

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Speaker 1: and the Hunt family. It's paying respect to the culture.

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Speaker 1: Now live in Chicago.

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Speaker 3: It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in New Easter, not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 5: UFL Kickoff weekend is just two days away. A new

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Speaker 5: season of spring football starts Friday night on Fox. Win

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Speaker 5: a new franchise, the Louisville Kings take on the Birmingham Stallions.

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Speaker 5: Then on Saturday we got DC Saint Louis on ESPN

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Speaker 5: and Houston Dallas on Fox. And the weekend wraps up

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Speaker 5: with Columbus at Orlando Sunday night on ESPN. The UFL

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Speaker 5: season kicks off Friday night on Fox.

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Speaker 1: To his brother who played at Maryland, he's starting quarterback

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Speaker 1: for Houston. Yes, sir Rick new Heisl is coaching Dallas

624
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Speaker 1: last year forty six former UFL players made the NFL

625
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Speaker 1: opening day roster. So that I've said this before, you

626
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Speaker 1: can see the NFL bodies. Your offensive lines aren't going

627
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Speaker 1: to be close to us good but receivers, backs, linebackers, quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: Matt Carrel's planned, the kid that played at Old Miss

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Speaker 1: is playing to his brother's playing Kellen mand at Texas

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Speaker 1: A and m so quarterback receiver, running back dB. Pretty

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Speaker 1: good talent. So we're having we're having a debate. So

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Speaker 1: during the commercial break where we basically screw off and

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Speaker 1: eat snacks, there was some video that came in Ty

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Speaker 1: Simpson his Pro Day and not a big you know,

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Speaker 1: pro day combine whatever. So the staff says he looks

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Speaker 1: bigger than six to one. I think he looks six

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Speaker 1: to one. I don't take a lot from Pro Day's. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't look big to me, he looks smallish.

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00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield six to one. I think Baker's got a

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Speaker 1: better arm he's got. This kid's got a decent arm.

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Speaker 1: I think I do think he is a franchise quarterback talent. Now,

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00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: I guess the best way to say it is, I

643
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Speaker 1: think franchise quarterbacks come in two boxes. The first box,

644
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Speaker 1: and this is rare. Will succeed eventually regardless, Like Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold to me, was going to succeed eventually. He was

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Speaker 1: too talented not to succeed eventually. Baker Mayfield, it was

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Speaker 1: going to succeed eventually. And then there's guys that they

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Speaker 1: need to land in the right place. I think Simpson's

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Speaker 1: one of those is that I think it could he

650
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: could just disappear. He's got to get, you know, a

651
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: clever offensive guy. I got to get some pass protection.

652
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: He's not a real big guy. His arm's good enough,

653
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 1: it's not great, good enough. And you know his film.

654
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, this is Todd McShay last Hour on Mendoza

655
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Speaker 1: versus Simpson's quarterbacks.

656
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Speaker 3: But here's the jumping off point that I struggle with.

657
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 7: You got Mendoza, that just everything screams what it takes

658
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 7: to be in the NFL six four and a half,

659
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 7: two thirty six at the combine thirty five starts. If

660
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Speaker 7: I had to take a quarterback number one overall, I

661
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 7: am taking Mendoza because it it looks like and the

662
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 7: experience is that of what quarterbacks in the league. Everyone

663
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 7: in the league is thirty plus starts. That you would

664
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Speaker 7: consider a good starter, except for the two guys who

665
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 7: are super human Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

666
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you you do as a general manager.

667
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: There are so many games. I have friends, in fact

668
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: that one text me last night. Executives in the league,

669
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Speaker 1: and there are there are certain things that are realities,

670
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: like who's representing him, what position do they play? You know,

671
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of these Alabama quarterbacks have not done

672
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: well as pros, and that's not Ty Simpson's fault. But

673
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: he sat for years and years. I like that he's

674
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: been in the program a while. He doesn't wow me.

675
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: I do think he's better than I believe JJ McCarthy.

676
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. I think I think he's better. I

677
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: wasn't a JJ guy. I think he's better than Kenny Pickett.

678
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: I I wasn't a big fan. I don't think though.

679
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. I don't think he's as

680
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: talented as Malik Willis. I think Malie Willis to Miami.

681
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: I think Malik Willis is really good, but he played

682
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: at Liberty, so he's a late bloomer. So I think

683
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Speaker 1: Ty Simpson's fine. I think he has a nice arm

684
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: and moves pretty well. So my take is he's a

685
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: late first early second pick. Jackson Dart. I think is

686
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: plays with a little more confidence and moves a little better.

687
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: They both have good enough NFL arms, you know. And

688
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: by the way, I here's something that I think matters.

689
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I said Jackson Dart would eventually succeed.

690
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: I thought he was more of a second round quarterback.

691
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: I said he had three years of Lane Kiffin, So

692
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's coach in the NFL, and then he goes

693
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: from Lane Kiffin to Brian Dable, So Jackson Dart got

694
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: elite college coaching. Well, he also had Nick Saban and

695
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: Kaylin de Boor. So like Jackson Dart, you know, he's

696
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: playing in the SEC, so he's playing against NFL elite

697
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: first second round bodies everywhere. George's LSU's that helps. He

698
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: also got Kaalen de Boor is a great coach, offensive coach,

699
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: So I think one of the things that helps Jackson Dart.

700
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: Jackson had a elite offensive coach, plays an conference that

701
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: has the most NFL bodies on average, and played in

702
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: a lot of big games and a lot of tight games,

703
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: big stadiums, television games. So Jackson Dark came out and

704
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, I'm playing with confidence. All that stuff

705
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: is the same for ty Simpson. I think that that

706
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: helps him a lot. Sec You're seeing elite defensive edge rushers,

707
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, You're getting the best of the best. You're

708
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: playing in big stadiums, TV games, a lot of pressure,

709
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: with great offensive coaching and NFL receivers. So there's a

710
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: Jackson Dark com to me.

711
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: Miss.

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Speaker 1: Stylistically, they're not the same guy, but Jackson Dart's not

713
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: a really big guy. They're two you know, good looking

714
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: young guys that move pretty well, that have good arms.

715
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're plus arms, but they're good arms.

716
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: Jackson plays with insane confidence. We'll see about Tye there.

717
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I somebody's gonna draft. I don't

718
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: think he's ready to play today. But I didn't think

719
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart was. But you know, the three years Elane

720
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: Kiffin it paid dividends and Brian very good with quarterbacks,

721
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: had Josh Allen paid dividends, So you know, prime example is,

722
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Speaker 1: for instance, if he went to Pittsburgh with Mike McCarthy. Yeah,

723
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: people are saying Pittsburgh. Well, it's different. The Tomlin group

724
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: I didn't think had the offensive sensibility, a bit tone deaf,

725
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: couldn't run the ball consistently. Mike McCarthy is good with quarterbacks,

726
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: so if he went to Pittsburgh and sat behind Aaron

727
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: Rodgers for a year, that would work. McCarthy would be

728
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: great for him. McCarthy's had Cooper Rush and Dack and

729
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: Aaron McCarthy's been around the block. That's about as good

730
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: as he could do. Stable ownership in Pittsburgh. I like

731
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: their running game. I think their old line's pretty good.

732
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: I think now that McCarthy's in house. I mean, I honestly,

733
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: if I had to pick a spot for him, it's

734
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: not a big media town. He wouldn't have to play

735
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: right away. If Aaron Rodgers came back, you know, you

736
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: could say, well, they have Aaron and Will Howard. Okay,

737
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: you couldn't have Will Howard and Ty Simpson both taking reps.

738
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: So Pittsburgh works to me. I'm trying to think of

739
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: another team. I'll throw it out there. Detroit. I mean,

740
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: they like Jared Goff. He's expensive, but he's a pocket quarterback.

741
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: Simpson moves around a little bit, you know, but I

742
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: think for me, Fernando Mendoza is bigger, played a great schedule,

743
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: was unbelievable in late game situations. I think his ball

744
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: placements insanely good. Fernando Mendoz is like Daniel Jones, deceptive

745
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: speed when you get him out, tough, great leadership qualities,

746
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: and he's six four and a half. I like my

747
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks like my furniture, hard to move, big and hard

748
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: to move. So I like Fernando Mendoz. Johnny Manziel watched

749
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Speaker 1: them play live. His thoughts on Mendoz.

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Speaker 10: I think he's going to continue to get better. I

751
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 10: think he throws as I was watching him at the

752
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 10: National Championship game, throws a really good ball, has a

753
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 10: lot of zip on his passes, reads coverage very well.

754
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 10: He obviously had some good help at the receiver point.

755
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 10: And the team that they had last year in Indiana,

756
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 10: the situation he's going into is going to call for

757
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 10: a lot of patients. Brock Bauers, you know, gent rebuild

758
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 10: some of the offensive line, get a defense to keep

759
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 10: Max Crosby like, have some patients with it, and I

760
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 10: feel like this kid is going to be very good.

761
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Speaker 10: He more than impressed me being around him at the Heisman.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting when I've talked to executives about Fernando Mendoza,

763
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that like him. I tend

764
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: to like him a lot. I said yesterday, Fernando Mendoz

765
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Speaker 1: has got the aggressiveness of Andrew Lock, the toughness of

766
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Lock, the deceptive athleticism of Daniel Jones. He's a bigger,

767
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: stronger Matt Ryan to me, and Matt Ryan's a very

768
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: good court well on an MVP went to a Super Bowl.

769
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Speaker 1: I think he's a bigger, stronger plus arm Matt Ryan.

770
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Speaker 1: That's what I think.

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Speaker 3: He had.

772
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Speaker 1: Mostly a pocket guy, but he's got a little Daniel

773
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Jones deceptive speed, and he loves to throw the ball

774
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: down the field like Andrew Luck. Smart, grateful, humble, tough.

775
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: He's not Andrew Luck the talent, but there's there's components

776
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Speaker 1: to it.

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00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: I really like.

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Speaker 8: All right, Colin, let me jump in here.

779
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: I don't want to bash Ty Simpson's pro day, but

780
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 5: I do have a question.

781
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 8: So something pops up on social media this week.

782
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 5: You know, these guys are looking for stats to knock Mendoza.

783
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 8: This one was kind of eye opening.

784
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Speaker 5: Okay, do you know how many three hundred yard games

785
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Speaker 5: Mendoza had last year in college football? In his final

786
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 5: season in college?

787
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: Well, they played a lot of good defenses, Iowa, Ohio State,

788
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: how many?

789
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 8: How many did you have?

790
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: Six?

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00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 5: He had one three hundred yard game Mendoza. Okay, Now,

792
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that's end all be all, but some

793
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: of these guys went through last seventeen years in the

794
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 5: NFL draft quarterbacks who had one or fewer three hundred

795
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 5: yard game in their final college season. Okay, Christian Ponder,

796
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Speaker 5: I'll let.

797
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Speaker 2: You you know.

798
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 5: You know what his career was, like JJ McCarthy one

799
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 5: three hundred yard game, Jake Locker. I was not a

800
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 5: Locker fan.

801
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 8: And Tim Tebow. That's it?

802
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: So can I throw?

803
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Speaker 5: I'm not knocking Mendoza. I'm not saying three hundred yards

804
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 5: is the end all be all. It's just it's an

805
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 5: interesting data point, that's it.

806
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Speaker 8: It's not huge. It just makes you at least think, like, damn.

807
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: Can I can I push back on these Indiana blew

808
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: people out?

809
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 5: They did.

810
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: Their point differential was a hundred points higher than any

811
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Speaker 1: other team. Yes, so they didn't throw the ball late.

812
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: When they asked him to throw it late Miami, Penn State.

813
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: He was great, he was, but they were you know,

814
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean they just did not ask him to throw

815
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: the ball.

816
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 8: Well, that was your argument for JJ McCarthy. Hey, let's

817
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 8: just run the ball with the hardball and these great

818
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 8: running backs.

819
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Speaker 1: The difference is McCarthy literally had a game in which

820
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: he in the second half he didn't throw a pass,

821
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Speaker 1: telling me the staff didn't necessarily trust him. There was

822
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: never any question that Signetty loved him and that he

823
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: was very, very good. I mean they asked him to

824
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: throw how many times against like Miami, those fourth down throws.

825
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean he was unbelievable, Oregon, Iowa, Ohio State Late,

826
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: he was unbelievable. I don't think they're the same player.

827
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Speaker 1: I am a huge Furnata.

828
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Speaker 5: Because you know, people who tune in get fifteen seconds.

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Speaker 8: Oh you guys hate Mendoza. I love him. I would

830
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 8: take him one period in the story.

831
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Speaker 1: All right, that subtles out. All right, final hour. I

832
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: want to think the next Wisher and Todd makes say

833
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: they were money.

834
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Speaker 8: Let's just break down Ty Simpson video for the final hour.

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Speaker 3: All right, you can do that