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Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth

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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.

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Speaker 2: This is Human Events with your host Jack Persovic christ Is.

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Speaker 1: King, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome board to a special amfest

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Speaker 1: edition of Human Events Daily. We're very excited here to

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Speaker 1: have the illustrious panel with us.

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Speaker 2: We've got Rich Barris, the People's Fund It.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Graham Allen, longtime Turning Point contributor. Probably

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Speaker 1: I want to say you were probably one of the

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Speaker 1: original Turning Point contributors when they started the entire program out.

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Speaker 3: It's been a long time. It's been a riot man,

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, because I remember I'd be working at

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Speaker 1: One American News and I would come to cover it

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Speaker 1: and it'd be like you Anna Polina, whole number of

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Speaker 1: people up there with Charlie that was like the first generation,

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Speaker 1: you know, the first class. I'm the new class of

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Speaker 2: You know, it's been quite a ride.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things, and Graham, maybe I'll even

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Speaker 1: ask you this first. One of the narratives that people

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Speaker 1: have been asking about this turning Point as they say,

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Speaker 1: my gosh, is turning point turning into a food fight?

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Speaker 2: Is?

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Speaker 1: Is it divisive? Are people divided? Are people attacking each

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Speaker 1: other up on stage? What's going on? What is your

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Speaker 1: take on that? Well, that's the I'll just say, that's

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Speaker 1: the outside, mainstream narrative of what's going on in here.

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Speaker 1: So compare that to what you're seeing outside versus what

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Speaker 1: you see here.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll compare it to what I've asked the people

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Speaker 4: and what else say?

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Speaker 3: Is this? I agree? I'm all about a good fight.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Grandmallen never shot away from a fight, so I have to.

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Speaker 4: Pray through it because I love awkward fighting too much.

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Speaker 3: Like that's something about myself.

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Speaker 4: However, I get it that look, our coalition, our side everything,

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Speaker 4: We're never going to agree on one hundred percent of everything.

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Speaker 3: And that's one thing that Charlie did so well is.

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Speaker 4: He was able to get people to put the the

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Speaker 4: secondary disagreements aside for the mission first purpose of Hey

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Speaker 4: and Charlie. Behind the scenes on stage, you know this, Jack,

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Speaker 4: Charlie would never tell.

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Speaker 4: He would say, Okay, I know you're really passionate about this,

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Speaker 4: but have you thought about if you say it like that,

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Speaker 4: is that going to lead to the actual outcome that

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Speaker 4: you wanted to be? And I thought this was something

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Speaker 4: that Charlie did really well. And so what I will

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Speaker 4: say now is this, I get it. We got people

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Speaker 3: Think we have to be honest with ourselves. There is

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Speaker 4: We've seen it live on the stage, people throwing daggers,

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Speaker 4: this and that. My question is this, I'm all about

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Speaker 4: fighting out the issues that I think Blake said this yesterday,

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Speaker 3: I got it. But my question is this, We're all

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Speaker 4: Going on right now is are we actually having debates

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Speaker 4: or are we actually dropping quote unquote truth grenades of

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Speaker 4: does that lead us towards the mission of actually making heavy,

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great point. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: valid point as well. That and I remember Charlie even

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Speaker 1: Very last, you know, turning points to next summit one

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Speaker 2: But you know, I believe two people.

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Speaker 2: Because I believe his idea was to keep the coalition together.

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Speaker 1: And as you said, we need to focus on the

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Speaker 1: Rich Barris, you look at this from a polling perspective.

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Speaker 1: You see the media narrative of, oh, there's this division

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Speaker 2: Are they real?

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Speaker 5: So I'm glad you said that part of it, though,

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Speaker 5: It's like I think that gets lost in the media

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Speaker 5: and a little bit premature. Right, this is a midterm season, right, Uh,

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Speaker 5: we could be having this debate in the nomination.

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Speaker 5: Would be more productive to keep the coalition together and

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Speaker 5: But from a polling perspective, this was going to have.

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Speaker 4: Nothing will stand in our way, and our Golden Age

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Speaker 4: has just begun.

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Speaker 1: This human events which asybe Now it's time for everyone

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Speaker 1: to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's Shapiro and crowd kind of wing

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Speaker 6: And this is really just a proxy battle for.

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Speaker 5: The future coming up in twenty eight who's going to

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Speaker 5: go in the fact of the matter is, I think

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Speaker 5: some people have to understand that the age demographics of

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Speaker 5: They're not isolationists, but they are more maga. And that's

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Speaker 5: because they feel so deeply the dire threat to their

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Speaker 6: Ability to live the American dream.

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Speaker 5: You do see this massive ageing with under forty five,

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Speaker 6: So it was bound to happen, Jack, it was going

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Speaker 2: Well, And I see this with younger voters all the time.

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Speaker 1: Under fifteen fifty, under fifty, under forty crowd is when

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Speaker 1: it comes to a lot of the foreign policy stuff,

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Speaker 1: they'll say, yeah, okay, but what about me? What about us?

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Speaker 2: It does that. You know, we have to receive from

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Speaker 1: Be isolation still this, but they would like to see

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Speaker 1: more of a prioritization on the issues of Americans, the

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Speaker 1: those are the same conditions that led to the rise

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Speaker 4: No, nobody wants to go back to the old style.

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Speaker 4: But again, I've talked about this a lot. We have

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Speaker 4: Had questions of some of the things that Tucker does.

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Speaker 4: I believe Tucker believes in the truth. I believe Tucker

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Speaker 4: need to have every single one of your conversations in

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Speaker 4: front of your entire audience, in front of the entire world.

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Speaker 4: Does that lead to more clarity or more confusion? No

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Speaker 4: one wants to go back to the old way. But

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Speaker 4: I see it in my audience all the time. You

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Speaker 4: this other stuff. We have allowed this narrative that may

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Speaker 4: or may not be influencing the actual polls, but we're

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Speaker 4: allowing it to pick up more and more esteem to

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Speaker 4: where more and more people are becoming more and more isolationists,

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Speaker 4: and more and more it is America, not America first,

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Speaker 3: And that's what that's that that is.

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Speaker 2: A real thing.

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Speaker 1: Here is rich when you talk because you as OEL,

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Speaker 1: you're polling voters, you're conducting focus groups all the time.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's what I would would even ask, is is

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Speaker 5: This is something that's been trending like this for for

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Speaker 5: there's validity though to what Graham said that there is

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Speaker 4: Of whether we've got the Epstein files versus the Epstein

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Speaker 5: We can't overstep over the moment when Trump sent that

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Speaker 5: Why didn't you hear what president said, he doesn't want

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Speaker 6: But we hear you.

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Speaker 1: And it's an example I would say that proves Graham's

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Speaker 5: Not too many jack, not many people, even as private

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Speaker 1: When you look at Donald Trump's association with Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 1: He comes out cleaner than Bill Gates, Larry Summers, he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he guess that includes Ahoo Barack, who was

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Speaker 1: they were in the past. There are victims, The victims

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Speaker 1: I believe, are getting reconstitution and reparations now from the

446
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Speaker 1: estate of Jeffrey Epstein. By the way, I love to

447
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: if there was no Epstein client list, then who's getting

448
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 1: all these retributions checks? Right, So clearly should have been

449
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: some kind of victim list. So there is one case though,

450
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Speaker 1: that is currently pending, and it's something that really burned

451
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Speaker 1: me up last week when I saw Tyler Robinson walk

452
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Speaker 1: into that courtroom and he started sprinting, he started smirking,

453
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Speaker 1: he started sharing these little little smiles with his defense attorney.

454
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Speaker 1: That burned me up, burn me up. And this is

455
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Speaker 1: a real trial that is ongoing. There is another hearing

456
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Speaker 1: that comes up in February. I believe there's another one

457
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Speaker 1: that comes up. The actual arrangement still, it's still pending.

458
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Speaker 1: It's going to be later on in the winter. The

459
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Speaker 1: actual trial may not start for several months. But but

460
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Speaker 1: because there has been so much contention over this issue

461
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Speaker 1: that I think people have gotten very far away from

462
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Speaker 1: the actual facts and evidence of the case that show

463
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Speaker 1: to my mind, based on everything that I've looked at,

464
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Speaker 1: that Tyler Robinson was the one who pulled the trigger

465
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Speaker 1: murdered our friend Charlie.

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Speaker 3: I agree, I mean I do agree in that.

467
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Speaker 4: Now do I also have questions with all these discord

468
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Speaker 4: channels and people.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? But yeah, I mean there is more.

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Speaker 4: If this was any other thing, everybody would be like, yeah,

471
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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 1: How many times been a trans shootor that was involved

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Speaker 1: in one of these cases, you know, a transhooter at

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Speaker 1: a school, tran Nashville, Minneapolis, the trans shooters that we've

475
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Speaker 1: seen again.

476
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Speaker 2: And again and again, and we.

477
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Speaker 1: Say, yep, that was the person, but for some reason

478
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Speaker 1: this one everyone says, no, no, it couldn't possibly be him.

479
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Speaker 2: Well, not everyone, but certain people.

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Speaker 3: And again it.

481
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Speaker 4: Goes to the discernment of the things that I'm talking

482
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Speaker 4: about here. Candace has just as many connections as we do.

483
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Speaker 4: Like she can make the same phone calls we can,

484
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Speaker 4: now whether or not they'll pick up the phone these

485
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Speaker 4: days are different. She can have these conversations. She could

486
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Speaker 4: have had a lot of the conversations early on. These

487
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Speaker 4: things could have happened early on, but her choosing, along

488
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Speaker 4: with other people, choosing to take it immediately to social

489
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Speaker 4: media to let people who actually don't have any idea

490
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Speaker 4: what's going on now. Candace is even alluding to the

491
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Speaker 4: fact of, yeah, there are things we don't know because

492
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Speaker 4: they're not releasing everything that.

493
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Speaker 3: They have to.

494
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Speaker 2: I would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I would actually agree with that that in these cases,

496
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Speaker 1: and Rich I'll bring you in a second that I

497
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Speaker 1: would like to see more records, videos, whatever is out

498
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Speaker 1: there released publicly in the Charlie Kirk murder case. We

499
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Speaker 1: know there's more records, we know there's more videos out there.

500
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Speaker 1: People are so sick of being of the lack of transparency.

501
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Speaker 1: You want to get it out there and have it known,

502
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Speaker 1: let the public know, and rich because you've done and

503
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Speaker 1: a lot of people may not know this that not

504
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Speaker 1: only do you do public polling for politics, you have

505
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Speaker 1: corporate clients and you that you work from brand management,

506
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: these types of perspectives, but also you do jury polling

507
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Speaker 1: in various various locales, various jurisdictions. So on this issue,

508
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Speaker 1: this question of transparency, I get that the legal system says,

509
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Speaker 1: we don't want to show any evidence, so we get

510
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Speaker 1: to that trial phase until we get to the probable

511
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Speaker 1: cause phase. However, we now live in a twenty four

512
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Speaker 1: to seven information environment where the stuff you see on

513
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Speaker 1: your phone, on these little pieces of glass every day

514
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Speaker 1: is constant.

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Speaker 2: It is a constant barrage of information. So my question is.

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Speaker 1: It almost seems like the presupposition has changed from you

517
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Speaker 1: have to wait until trial to oh, they're not showing

518
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Speaker 1: us information. They must be hiding something. Do you get

519
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And do you hear that when you

520
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Speaker 1: talk to perspective turrors, I.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do, and I do think that Charles.

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Speaker 1: I'll actually say it's kind of like we saw the

523
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Speaker 1: CSI effect in the two thousands.

524
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Speaker 2: Now I would say we've got the social media effect.

525
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's the true crime effects yeah, and much

526
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Speaker 5: more amplified. And I think that we will have to

527
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Speaker 5: find a better way to tackle the authorities are gonna

528
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Speaker 5: have to find a better way to tackle this because

529
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Speaker 5: you do have podcasters or just I think I'm in

530
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Speaker 5: a live stream and investigation and it was you know,

531
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Speaker 5: in real time, and that's what people want.

532
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Speaker 6: They want answers fast.

533
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Speaker 5: The problem is with that, Jack, I mean immediately my

534
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 5: major concern was this is going to take it to jury.

535
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Speaker 5: All you all you need is one person who may

536
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Speaker 5: even look sit throughout the entire trial and hear the

537
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Speaker 5: facts here, the evidence, and decide that maybe I still

538
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Speaker 5: believe somebody else is not being held accountable here and

539
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Speaker 5: a god forbid cast a not guilty verdict. I mean,

540
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Speaker 5: this has happened, seen this happen for an eye profile cases. Look,

541
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Speaker 5: I think Charlie's case is a little bit different. Jacket

542
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Speaker 5: has to be treated differently. People on the state side

543
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Speaker 5: of this are going to have to come to grips

544
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Speaker 5: the appetite for the nation prosecution.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the prosecution side of it.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, I would remind people again, you know,

547
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Speaker 5: I don't trust the FBI either, But guess what.

548
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Speaker 6: The FBI is not prosecuting this case.

549
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Speaker 2: So I hear this repeatedly.

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Speaker 6: Are you taking the fd guy's word for Why do

551
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Speaker 6: you believe the FBI?

552
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Speaker 2: Why are you pushing that fed slop? Why are you

553
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: pushing the push fed slot? And Jack? Where is Jack?

554
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: Where's Jack?

555
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: Where is he? Jack?

556
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Speaker 5: I want to see you. Great job, Yeah, thank you,

557
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 5: what a job you do.

558
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Speaker 6: You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking

559
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Speaker 6: about the fake news and.

560
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Speaker 5: The band, but we have guys, and these are the

561
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 5: guys should be getting bullish. Is the FBI is not

562
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Speaker 5: prosecuting this case. This is a state case, all right?

563
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Speaker 5: So again I I don't want to say it's like

564
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Speaker 5: almost a matter of national security interest, but there is

565
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Speaker 5: he This was the most high profile assassination in our lifetime,

566
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Speaker 5: political assassination.

567
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Speaker 6: But you have to share more. You have to try

568
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Speaker 6: to do better.

569
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Speaker 2: I get it.

570
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Speaker 5: So in the future, though, we do have to on

571
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Speaker 5: our side of it, that's the state side. From our

572
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Speaker 5: side of it, we do have to think about what

573
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Speaker 5: Grant said at the very beginning of this, which is

574
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Speaker 5: we do have a responsibility. I mean we we can

575
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Speaker 5: go back to OJ. There was a witness in the

576
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Speaker 5: OJ case. They saw them pull away, but by the

577
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Speaker 5: time the prosecution ever got around to try to use

578
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Speaker 5: that witness, she had been all over the media and

579
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Speaker 5: all over all these other people who had other theories

580
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Speaker 5: of the case, and her testimony was garbage. It was incredible,

581
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Speaker 5: was never a missponequ was never brought up in court.

582
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Speaker 5: So we we also have to do better. I get

583
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Speaker 5: everybody's want and desire for information, but take that to

584
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Speaker 5: the proper channels.

585
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Speaker 6: Take that to the problem.

586
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Speaker 5: Don't take it to your podcast audience and start talk

587
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Speaker 5: because you really can't take and go out.

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Speaker 1: So far as to say, you know, there there are

589
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Speaker 1: even medical records that potentially could be released. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people have questions about the the ballistics in this.

591
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get a ballistics report out. You say, what

592
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Speaker 2: was recovered?

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Speaker 1: Right, We know that we can do this, and yeah,

594
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Speaker 1: it is morbid for me to be sitting here in

595
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Speaker 1: amfest and talking about a guy who was my friend

596
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Speaker 1: and talking about a guy who did get shot in

597
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Speaker 1: the neck in front of so many people. But if

598
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Speaker 1: there's questions about the ballistics, you can release a ballistics

599
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: report and you can have that out and you can

600
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Speaker 1: have people say, all right, this was the bullet that

601
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Speaker 1: was recovered, we have it, we have it in custody,

602
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Speaker 1: it's going to be entered in.

603
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Speaker 2: Let's just release that burns out.

604
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Speaker 5: Bullets do do strange things, they do do weird things, right,

605
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Speaker 5: Because that's a whole other line of questioning people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean that would I think I think

607
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Speaker 1: that sunlight is the best disinfected here on a lot

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Speaker 1: of this, I really do. I would also add that

609
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Speaker 1: beyond that, beyond that, you mentioned the FBI angle and

610
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Speaker 1: audience trust the FBI, and I said, well, here's the thing.

611
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Speaker 1: You don't have to rely on the FBI on this.

612
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: That's your hang up because i've you know, certainly have

613
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Speaker 1: questions as well and and concerns. But it wasn't the

614
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Speaker 1: FBI who identified Tyler Robinson. Tyler Robinson was identified after

615
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Speaker 1: thirty three hours when the local campus police.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry they completely failed that day.

617
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Speaker 1: There's no question the local or in police department was

618
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Speaker 1: kept at arm's length. They weren't allowed to fly their drones.

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Speaker 1: And you know who knows what would have happened if

620
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Speaker 1: they did, right. I don't like to go down that

621
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Speaker 1: road because you can't do that in this lifetime.

622
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Speaker 2: But you know who knows. But Tyler Robinson was turned

623
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Speaker 2: in by his mother and father.

624
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Speaker 3: Right.

625
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Speaker 2: It was his mom and dad who turned him in.

626
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Speaker 2: And I don't know any mom and.

627
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Speaker 1: Dad that are going to pick up their phone and

628
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Speaker 1: make that phone call if they're not sure that their

629
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Speaker 1: kid did something wrong because they knew. This was a

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Speaker 1: case where the President of the United States it said,

631
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Speaker 1: I want the death penalty and you're going to turn

632
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Speaker 1: your son over. My boys are here today. I can't

633
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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. It's an incredible decision. It actually

634
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Speaker 1: speaks to the goodness of Heartland America, the goodness of

635
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Speaker 1: Christian American fathers and mothers that they were able to

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Speaker 1: do that. And I think it's totally overlooked and overshadowed.

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, those parents did come to

638
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Speaker 1: that courtroom so where he was smiling and laughing. In

639
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Speaker 1: the navy, we would say cocain and joking. If you

640
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: guys say that in the army, you say cocain and joking, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: must be as a navy say okay, but you are

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Speaker 1: all right right, but yeah, it's a it's a squibby thing.

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Speaker 2: Us wuid say it.

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Speaker 1: But at no point during that hearing did the mother

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Speaker 1: or father go over and the media was all there.

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Speaker 2: Brian Nton was there for News Nation. I think he's

647
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: a good guy.

648
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Speaker 1: At no point they walk over and say, hey, you

649
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Speaker 1: need to tell the truth because my son didn't do this.

650
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: They were there for hours, hours and hours and hours,

651
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: and you don't see a single family member coming out.

652
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Speaker 1: And look, I'm not saying that's dispositive, but I am

653
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Speaker 1: saying there's a dog that's not barking here.

654
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Speaker 6: The New York Times just did in an article.

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Speaker 1: Must vote, question posts, lash posts the friend They interviewed

656
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Speaker 1: the friends.

657
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Speaker 5: But they did, and as it turns out, this is

658
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Speaker 5: a major loss opportunity for us to talk about political violence.

659
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Speaker 6: In the wake of Charlie's assassination, we conducted.

660
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Speaker 5: A large study that got no attention at all, with

661
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Speaker 5: the exception of a couple of times you and I

662
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 5: discussed right when we mentioned the transgender angle before we

663
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Speaker 5: went into all of this, and now I'll just end

664
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Speaker 5: up wind up putting it out for everybody to see.

665
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Speaker 6: Jack. But there's something very real there.

666
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Speaker 5: And I think the one thing that I myself that

667
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Speaker 5: I want to know most of all is what Grant said?

668
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 5: What about those discord messages? I just did this research.

669
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Speaker 5: I know now how much more likely these subgroup demographic

670
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Speaker 5: groups trans right, how much more likely they are to

671
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 5: accept acts of political violence because they they themselves feel

672
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 5: like they're in danger of something, so they don't view

673
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 5: words and violence any differently. They they don't distinguish the two.

674
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Speaker 5: So I want to know what was said.

675
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 6: In those texts on that.

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Speaker 1: Full credit doctor Chloe Carmichael. She's absolutely brilliant on this.

677
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: She said, her theory is for having listened to political psychologists.

678
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: Your theory was, you know how they do the etchings

679
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: into the bullets of the words. Think of it the

680
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: combining of words and violence. So what they've done, because

681
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: they've viewed Charlie's words as violence directed at them, what

682
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: did they do they create? And we saw MAGGIONI wrote

683
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: into the bullets. The anti ice shooter down in Dallas

684
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: wrote into the bullets, Tyler Rittenhouse wrote, on the bullets.

685
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: What have they done?

686
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 6: The pathology.

687
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: It's a pathology where they make literal violent words violent words.

688
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: So Graham talk to us about the danger of missing

689
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: this rise of political violence.

690
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Speaker 4: Well, the first thing I want to I want to

691
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: add to everything that you guys. Sure, sure, And so

692
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Speaker 4: what I would say is this, I think that we

693
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: live in a world where social media works.

694
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Speaker 3: Faster than the justice system.

695
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 4: And again, I think that we as commentators, all of us,

696
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Speaker 4: myself included. I had this conversation with the Vice president

697
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 4: a week and a half ago. We did a bad

698
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: job and we have continued to do a bad job

699
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: in letting the American people think that once we won

700
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 4: that election, that within ninety days everything.

701
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: Was just going to be fine and everything was going

702
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: to be great.

703
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: And now we have a situation, the most high profile

704
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: political assassination of our generation, where I think that people

705
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 4: believe that because we have social.

706
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: Media, that in their homes.

707
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 4: They should have every piece of evidence and every piece

708
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Speaker 4: of everything in.

709
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: This case immediately right now. And that's just not the

710
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 3: way that it works.

711
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Speaker 4: Now Granted, are there some exceptions for some releases to

712
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 4: calm heated things down because of high profile this, sure,

713
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: But the vast majority of evidence data, all this other

714
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, that's not the normal way that it happens.

715
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Speaker 1: And this is, by the way, this is what you're

716
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: talking about, is that disconnect that rich was saying that

717
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: people's perceptions have been so changed by as you say,

718
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: by that social media environment, by true crime podcast, by

719
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: all of these things, that there's a difference of expectation,

720
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: and when people's expectations aren't met, that's what this is

721
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: like relationships as well, Right, when your expectations aren't met,

722
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: that's what leads to anger, disappointment, dissent.

723
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Speaker 4: Correct, And because of that, it is now taking away

724
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Speaker 4: from us having the real conversation to your point, which

725
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: is the rise in political violence, which is the reality

726
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: that those of us that do this for a living

727
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: are overhead just went up five x because we all

728
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: have to figure out like, Okay, I want to go

729
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 4: out and do this speaking event, do I have to

730
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 4: pay a million dollars a year for security and all

731
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: these things just to have conversations. It is a terrible

732
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 4: place that we're finding ourselves, which is.

733
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Speaker 3: What they which is what they want, which is what

734
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Speaker 3: they want, and all put in time for an applause there.

735
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Speaker 3: But either way, uh, that's what they want.

736
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Speaker 4: And it's because of we have not done a we

737
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 4: have not done a proper job of letting the American

738
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: people know, Hey, I've seen this a lot.

739
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Speaker 3: To the point about the FEDS in our administration.

740
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Speaker 4: Oh, we just trust the administration now, Oh, we just

741
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 4: trust the Feds. Now, we just do this and we

742
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 4: do that well, we did when we voted for Donald

743
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: Trump in November November fifth, twenty twenty four. We all

744
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 4: agree that Charlie Kirk was a once in a lifetime leader, brilliant,

745
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: christ driven human being that was responsible for probably ninety

746
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 4: percent of the people that are in these positions now.

747
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: And so you can't hold two two positions to where

748
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 4: you believe that Charlie Kirk was a once in a

749
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 4: generation leader of our movement, of our party, of people,

750
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 4: of Americans, of young voters, and then also believe that

751
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 4: he had the worst discernment and judge of character of

752
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 4: any human being that has ever walked out.

753
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Speaker 1: And I'll have discernment too, because there were people right

754
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: and by the way. I'm perfectly happy to follow the

755
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: evidence wherever the evidence lies. And that's what Charlie was

756
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: about standing on truth. You have to always stand on truth.

757
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: And I'm not afraid to call out I say. I

758
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: talked about the USS liberty yesterday. I'm not afraid to

759
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: talk about Israel. I'm not afraid to say that I

760
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: don't agree with everything the government of Israel does.

761
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: You could talk about Gaza, we could talk about.

762
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: All those things, but but do so with evidence, do

763
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: so with truth. I've talked many times about how I

764
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: think that the government of Israel, in their conduct of

765
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: the war in Gaza, did not do a good enough

766
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: job of protecting churches, a protecting Christians places of worship

767
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: that are located within Gaza. I really believe that that's

768
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: a huge problem that has created bigger problems from that

769
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: for them. That being said, there were people who said

770
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: that Charlie was killed by Israel while before his body

771
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: even made it to the hospital.

772
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: That is not standing on evidence.

773
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Speaker 1: That is taking something that is a preconceived notion, a

774
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: preconceived bias that you are trying to put and paint

775
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: on your situation, because it's pushing an agenda.

776
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 6: Jack is a great guy.

777
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 4: He's written that fantastic book and everybody's talking about it.

778
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: Go get it that.

779
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 6: He's been my friend right from the.

780
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: Beginning of this whole beautiful event, and we're going to

781
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: turn her around and make our country way to get him.

782
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: And that's not right, and that is not right.

783
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 5: I stand something to that, Jack, And then doing that

784
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 5: and sharing personal messages, man, like all this I have

785
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 5: been shared scene.

786
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: I haven't shared a sa personal message between myself and Charlie.

787
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: And you're not going to see me do that.

788
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 6: You never do it.

789
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: You're just not going to see me do that.

790
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: Thank you.

791
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: That's that's if you send me something in private, then

792
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: that was meant in private to get these confidence is

793
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: something you keep going you're.

794
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 6: Violating this fan's privacy posthumous. It makes it's it bothered.

795
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: Man.

796
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 5: I haven't actually said that out loud so right now,

797
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 5: but it's it's it's actually and do that to make.

798
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 6: Our own points.

799
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Speaker 2: I will say this. I will say this. I try

800
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: to have grace because.

801
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of people that are going

802
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: through trauma, that went through trauma in those early days

803
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: the word literally had their whole life turned upside down,

804
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: not just obviously you know, the business colleagues, friends, but

805
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: let's try to remember that at the end of the day,

806
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: this isn't about how it affects political movement. It isn't

807
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: how it affects a podcast career or you get more

808
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: followers or subscribers whatever.

809
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: Erica and those children are are his family.

810
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: They're not going to have a father that's home for

811
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: this Christmas or any Christmas coming forward.

812
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: And we should.

813
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: Respect them and think about what is best the best

814
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: way to respect them in everything that we do, because that,

815
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: to me is way more important than scoring some political

816
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: points or getting more viewers on.

817
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: My podcast or or whatever it is.

818
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: And you know, if people want to get mad at

819
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: me for saying that, then let him get mad, because

820
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: I know what I'm saying is right.

821
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 6: No, it is.

822
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 5: It's one on a there's a human side of this story.

823
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 5: It's not just a political story or a story about

824
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 5: a movement and factions, and there's a human being about

825
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 5: a family and children, and you just said it, and

826
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 5: I just think, put yourself in someone else's shoes for

827
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 5: a moment. I don't think i'd want my kids reading

828
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 5: that years later.

829
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Speaker 6: You know, just have a little bit.

830
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Speaker 5: It just has always bothered me just to be able

831
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 5: to see No, Look, I had this message, and I

832
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 5: had it's crazy, it's unseemly.

833
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: So what I'd liked to.

834
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and I said this before, but you know,

835
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: I feel obviously horrible that that Charlie's kids are never

836
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: going to be able to really have that relationship with

837
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: their dad. But in a sense too, they're going to

838
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: have a relationship with sort of the their digital father, right,

839
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: like his digital footprint gets his videos, his speeches, his debates,

840
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: and and that was his public work. But that wasn't Charlie,

841
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, that wasn't Charlie the man.

842
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: That wasn't Charlie the father, the husband. And obviously, you know,

843
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: he put his heart in his work, There's no question

844
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: about that. But you know, and and I've got my

845
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: little kids, and and you know, I just hope that

846
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: that someday if they ever want to, you know, I'm

847
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: more than happy to just answer every question they want

848
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: to let him know.

849
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: Hey, I knew your dad.

850
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: This is what he was like outside of the podcast,

851
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: outside of the text messages, outside of all that nonsense.

852
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: This is what he really was, like, this is what

853
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: really drove him, and this is who your dad was.

854
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: And you know when when you have when you have

855
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: one of your battle buddies go down like that, you

856
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: know there's there isn't really a playbook for that. There

857
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: isn't really a manual. But you just try to do

858
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: the right thing by his family. Thing, just do the

859
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: right thing by his family.

860
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

861
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 6: I couldn't agree more.

862
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 5: And you will be different, Jack, I mean that's great.

863
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 5: You know again, you see it a lot, a lot

864
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Speaker 5: more different than I guess some of the other people

865
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 5: that have chose to make this play out publicly and

866
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 5: in front of everybody. You know.

867
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Speaker 6: So in the future, and I'm asked, Graham, what could

868
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 6: we do better?

869
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 5: Not to steal your I'm just like wondering your thoughts here,

870
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 5: what could we do better? Do we as podcasters need

871
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 5: to start growing more like to And I don't mean

872
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 5: this in that way, but in the traditional.

873
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 6: Media, do we need our own version of an AP handbook?

874
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: Well, I mean we have to decide why why are

875
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: we doing what we do now in the first place?

876
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: Are we doing what we do now because we want

877
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 4: to make money? We're doing what we do now because

878
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: we want to be the most popular one. Are we

879
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 4: doing what we want to do now? Because we believe

880
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 4: that we have influence, And because we have influence, we

881
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 4: should be using that to our agendas and what we think.

882
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: And you know, and I think there's a lot of

883
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: people right now. I've heard it on the stage by

884
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: a lot of really big name people. I think I

885
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 4: feel I you know, I think I feel I've heard.

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Speaker 3: It over and over and over and over again these

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Speaker 3: past two days. I don't care what you think and

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Speaker 3: what you feel. I care about what's true and what's

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Speaker 3: not true. And what I know that is true right

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Speaker 3: now is.

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Speaker 4: That if we don't figure out this infighting that we've

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Speaker 4: got going on right now, we're not going to do

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Speaker 4: well in these bid terms. And Charlie would be the

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Speaker 4: first one to be getting a hold of that.

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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk would have called.

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Speaker 4: A massive meeting of the minds right here in Phoenix,

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Speaker 4: and he would have had everybody fly in. It would

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Speaker 4: have been like, all right, patch it out. We are

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Speaker 4: in trouble in these mid terms. If we don't figure

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Speaker 4: this out. It is on us to lead people in

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Speaker 4: the right direction for mission First, how do we figure

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Speaker 4: out how to all come together even though we're not

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Speaker 4: going to agree on everything.

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Speaker 1: If Charlie's not going to be here, then it's really

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Speaker 1: as simple as that. Let's do that in Charlie's name.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it for Charlie Rae. We remember what the

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Speaker 1: mission is and remember that we are more. There is

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Speaker 1: more that unites us than divides us. There is more

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Speaker 1: that we understand. Our patriotism, our love of God, our

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Speaker 1: love of Jesus.

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Speaker 2: This, these are the things that unite us.

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Speaker 1: And while there will be divisions, the while there will

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Speaker 1: be issues where we disagree, we can do that in

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Speaker 1: such a way where we maintain that grace, but we

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Speaker 1: also don't lose sight of what the greater mission is.

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Speaker 2: Graham Allen, where can people go? Will follow you?

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Speaker 3: Brother, Just google Graham Allen.

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Speaker 4: It's either good or really bad and you'll find it

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Speaker 4: on there.

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Speaker 2: So Rich Barris, people's find it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're all over the place.

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Speaker 5: Jack you know on get her on Twitter, the best

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Speaker 5: locals dot com.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks follow me at Human Events Daily is

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Speaker 1: the show every Day. Jak Pasovic and I'll be on

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Speaker 1: stage here just a couple hours. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for this live special edition of Human Events, am Fest Rumble,

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Speaker 1: special ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: As always, you have my permission, Laiah Short.

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Speaker 7: Let's make them wonder, Let's squeeze them for a change

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Speaker 7: instead of them constantly squeezing us. And then finally we

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Speaker 7: rally around President Trump.

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Speaker 2: We surround him with support.

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Speaker 7: Entry every.

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Speaker 3: The radical left knows exactly what they're doing. They want

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Speaker 3: to steal the election.

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Speaker 7: We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue to peacefully and

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Speaker 7: patriotically make your voices heard.

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Speaker 2: Events in Washington have taken a violent and tumultuous tour.

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Speaker 8: January sixth wasn't just a moment in history for thousands

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Speaker 8: of Americans. It was the moment their.

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Speaker 3: Voices were taken.

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Speaker 6: It's insurrection.

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Speaker 4: They were persecuted, hunted seditious conspiracy.

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Speaker 8: But behind prison walls, something unexpected happened. They found their

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Speaker 8: voice again.

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Speaker 3: Started singing a national anthem.

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Speaker 6: We took it up to him at mar Lago appleby voice, so.

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Speaker 2: Our supporters nade this goat.

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Speaker 8: Real America's voice is telling the real story of January

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Speaker 8: sixth like you've never seen it before. This must be

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Speaker 8: pet This is not the story you were shown.

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Speaker 1: I Trok responsibility. This is the story they lived, government

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Speaker 1: and trapment scheme that this actually was.

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Speaker 8: The j Six Patriots are no longer staying silent. They

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Speaker 8: are speaking, They are standing, and they are telling the truth.

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Speaker 2: You can't kill us, you can't be us. They tried

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Speaker 2: to silence them.

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Speaker 8: Instead, they woke up an entire nation, the sleeping giant

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Speaker 8: coming soon