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Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stump Mom Never Told You?

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Speaker 1: From House top works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Molly. Molly got a

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Speaker 1: little songbird in my throat today a special treat. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's that much of a treat,

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Speaker 1: but I really, I really have the earge to seeing

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Speaker 1: right now because the title of this podcast, does it

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Speaker 1: Cost More to Be a Woman? Sounds like a country song?

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Speaker 1: Oh it tell he does? Does it not sound like

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Speaker 1: the follow up single two? Did I shave my legs

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Speaker 1: for this? You're for that old one? You know? Like,

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Speaker 1: does it cost More to be a woman? You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And I think I think we are onto something there. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe we do the podcast, we learn about

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Speaker 1: costs of being a man and a woman, and I

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Speaker 1: think the verses will just fall into place, yea, and

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Speaker 1: then we can go straight to Nashville and make it

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Speaker 1: make it big country gold. Yeah, because know that you

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Speaker 1: know how he said, Um, it's a follow up today.

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Speaker 1: I shaved my legs for this. Yeah. One thing that

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Speaker 1: was really interesting when we started googling and searching for

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Speaker 1: does it cost more to be a woman? Shaving is

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Speaker 1: an example that comes up a lot because it tends

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Speaker 1: to be at the drug store that many things cost

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Speaker 1: more for women than from them. Yeah, check this out.

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Speaker 1: For instance, Barba sal Arsal soothing aloe shave cream for

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Speaker 1: how do you explain that? Barb Sal Barbasol said, get this.

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Speaker 1: He said, well, you know you ladies like to shave

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Speaker 1: in the shower, so the product needs to be a

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Speaker 1: rust resistant aluminum bottle can and we need more fragrance

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Speaker 1: for you gals, you smell nice. Hence you have to

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Speaker 1: pay more for it. You pay more for less. At

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Speaker 1: least they gave a reason because a lot of these

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Speaker 1: lot of women, uh maybe sort of have come to

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Speaker 1: upkeep of all this, As Dolly Parton says, it takes

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Speaker 1: a lot to like this trashy um, but you know

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Speaker 1: it just it goes on from there to dry cleaning,

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Speaker 1: to health insurance, et cetera. So we're gonna go, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna take through a few of the items that cost more.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes the rep will come out and say, like

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Speaker 1: the barbersoll reptid and um, you know what you shave

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Speaker 1: in the shower. We've done our market research, so you

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Speaker 1: need a rest resistant can. Sometimes they have no idea

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Speaker 1: why they're charging more. They offer some sketchy reasons, such

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Speaker 1: as when Niveia told Consumer Reports that their body washed

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Speaker 1: for mint because the women's product is made with quote

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Speaker 1: skin sensation technology, skin sensation technology. You're just saying you

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Speaker 1: don't want that, Kristen. I'm saying I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that's a bunch of horse hockey. No, it's soap. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and well that's like soap with like intel chips crushed

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Speaker 1: ladies paying more. No, we do have, we do have

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Speaker 1: And we can all vote with our dollars and not

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Speaker 1: But one very troubling example of gender pricing that was

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Speaker 1: not talking about haircuts. This is healthcare. Is a much

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