WEBVTT - The Powers of the Judiciary with Vladimir Gagic (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with it, says. We continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the balance and defend the discourse from the Hip Hop

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic Sipher. I am your

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<v Speaker 1>host Rams's job. Big shout out to q Ward, who

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<v Speaker 1>is in Los Angeles right now for obvious reasons, and

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to get him back safe and sound

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<v Speaker 1>to the studio soon enough to share all that he

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<v Speaker 1>has learned out there. But in the meantime, we have

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<v Speaker 1>a special guest in the studio. He is the one

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<v Speaker 1>and only Vladimir Gajic. He's an independent, nonpartisan political and

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<v Speaker 1>legal commentator, a former lawyer, and social media influencer who

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<v Speaker 1>can be found online at Toxic Vlad that is t

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<v Speaker 1>xik v Lad. Thank you for sticking around for the

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<v Speaker 1>second half. First, thank you for having so stay tuned,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're going to be talking about some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things going on in the country insofar as the president

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<v Speaker 1>is concerned and the courts, so the executive branch versus

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<v Speaker 1>the judicial branch, and kind of where things live. Before

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<v Speaker 1>we move any further, it is time to Baba become

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<v Speaker 1>a better ally Baba. On today's Baba, we want you

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<v Speaker 1>to check out NBJC dot org again NBJC dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>Founded in two thousand and three, NBJC initially sought to

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<v Speaker 1>address specific sets of challenges facing the black community, the

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<v Speaker 1>erasure of black, queer, trans, and gender expansive people, and

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<v Speaker 1>a political push to define marriage in ways that deny

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<v Speaker 1>black LGBTQ plus slash SGL people recognition and access to economic, social,

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<v Speaker 1>and political rights. Having faithfully and successfully fulfilled its original purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>NBJC has rebranded henceforth the NBJC is the National Black

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<v Speaker 1>Justice Collective. NBJC has accepted the charge to leave Black

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<v Speaker 1>families and strengthening the bonds and bridging the gaps between

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<v Speaker 1>the movements for racial justice and LGBTQ equality. NBJC connects

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<v Speaker 1>to grasstops to the grassroots authentically. The organization is equipped

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<v Speaker 1>with targeted messaging and data that brings voice, builds networks,

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<v Speaker 1>and takes action on behalf of the black LGBTQ, slash

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<v Speaker 1>SGL community. Nbjc strategic advocacy efforts have historically focused on

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<v Speaker 1>the impact of federal public policy on the lives of

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<v Speaker 1>black LGBTQ, SGL people and Black America as a whole.

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<v Speaker 1>The organization's cornerstone issues are health and wellness hib awareness

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<v Speaker 1>and prevention, safe and inclusive schools, employment, non discrimination, relationship

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<v Speaker 1>and family recognition, anti violence, and economic justice. Again wants

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<v Speaker 1>you to check them out at NBJC dot org. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is my personal co sign for these folks. Doctor Johns,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the CEO of the NBJC, is a dear,

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<v Speaker 1>dear friend, has become a dear friend of the show

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<v Speaker 1>in recent months, and we really do believe in the

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<v Speaker 1>work that he's done. Actually, both Q and I got

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to hang out with him in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>and we really do want you to check out the

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<v Speaker 1>work that he's doing NBJC dot org. All right, mister Gagik,

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<v Speaker 1>So we were talking about not being a fan of Judges,

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<v Speaker 1>not being a fan of Democrats, which is fair a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of folks that have gripes of Democrats. Would you say.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a Democrats behavior the reaction to his election,

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<v Speaker 2>not the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, okay, okay, thanks for sharing that up. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for clearing that up. But do you think that many

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<v Speaker 1>people that come on this show, and we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be an echo chamber, but many people that come

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<v Speaker 1>on this show will say loudly and indeed I might

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<v Speaker 1>be one of those people myself, and in fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I would be that these times are unprecedented. This

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<v Speaker 1>president is anti democratic and is not beholden to the

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<v Speaker 1>entire country really just one specific facet of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people who it doesn't affect them

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<v Speaker 1>one way or the other. So maybe this strong man

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<v Speaker 1>sort of whatever appeals to them, because ultimately, if it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't affect them negatively, and it might affect them positively,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have a dog in fight. But this president

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<v Speaker 1>has at least it feels like this president really doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>care about anybody else. And this coming from a person

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<v Speaker 1>and people that come on the show course that have

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<v Speaker 1>seen attacks on diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives, and when

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<v Speaker 1>you think about the language there, that feels crazy to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people because you would imagine that this

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<v Speaker 1>country stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion at the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of this country, at the heart of humanity. Lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people would argue that this president has fired people who

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<v Speaker 1>considers dei hires. He's defunded institutions that affirm black history.

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<v Speaker 1>He has defunded institutions that celebrate black achievements, which are

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<v Speaker 1>rare and unique in the story of this country and

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<v Speaker 1>often overlooked or buried and so forth. And these attacks

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<v Speaker 1>feel very pointed and very personal to a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people again that come on this

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<v Speaker 1>show feel that way. And he's doing this all legally.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you argue that that is imagined and whole are

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<v Speaker 1>in part, or that people are being extra sensitive to

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<v Speaker 1>this president, or would you argue that, no, these are

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<v Speaker 1>valid criticisms of this administration. This is unprecedented, and this

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<v Speaker 1>president is changing the culture of this country to suit

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<v Speaker 1>one specific fact of the country and more or less

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<v Speaker 1>enshrining that into law.

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<v Speaker 2>What would be your position, I would say, any criticisms

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<v Speaker 2>that a person has is a legitimate criticism. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you're asking me, is it legitimate criticisms for some of

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<v Speaker 2>the say African American or gay or whatever, to have

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<v Speaker 2>this particular criticism of the president? Is that valid? I've

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<v Speaker 2>never walked in those shoes. You can't ask me to

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<v Speaker 2>to know what's in somebody's in somebody's thought process, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say this though, I mean, you're talking about diversity, equity,

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<v Speaker 2>and inclusion. I think those are viral, valid points. I

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<v Speaker 2>think talk about the founding fathers, there's a there are big,

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<v Speaker 2>big fans of the Roman Empire, and if you know

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<v Speaker 2>Roman history, the Romans were Their whole thing was diversity, right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's why the Roman Empire lasted for so long. It

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<v Speaker 2>was actually had an Arab imperor at one point. And

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<v Speaker 2>those are fair points. I will just say from my perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>For somebody with the first name Vladimir, when every single

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<v Speaker 2>thing you hear out of the Democratic Party is how

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<v Speaker 2>evil Russia is and how evil Vladimir Putin is, it

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<v Speaker 2>starts to wear thin when you start hearing the other

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<v Speaker 2>side about, oh, the Republicans or this the Republicans or that,

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<v Speaker 2>or Donald Trump is this because the republic you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>the Republicans were doing it just as much as the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats hating on Russia, trying to provoke a nuclear war

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<v Speaker 2>with Russia for some god forsaken reason I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they talk about that the pe tape and

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff that Donald Trump did when he was

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<v Speaker 2>in Russia and Putin has all this.

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<v Speaker 3>Sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We heard that for sixty eight six years and I

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<v Speaker 2>was personally affected by it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was assaulted in court.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the contributing factors, if not the

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<v Speaker 2>proximate cause is my name. My experiences of the past

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<v Speaker 2>three and four years, six years since twenty eighteen in Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona have been directly caused by hatred of Slavs, of Slavophobia,

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<v Speaker 2>of xenophobia, of anything to do with Eastern Europe, anything

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<v Speaker 2>to do with my name. And that's been directly caused

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<v Speaker 2>primarily by the Democratic Party, but also certainly the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 1>So fear mongering, fear mongering, bread baiting is the word,

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<v Speaker 1>red baiting.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like Joseph McCarthy back in the day, they're bringing

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<v Speaker 2>up people are bringing back, Oh, how would Ronald Reagan

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<v Speaker 2>react to Donald Trump or being called by Vladimir Putin

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you one of the things that I did

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<v Speaker 1>read about you is you were disbarred, the facto disbarred,

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<v Speaker 1>This facto disbarred. Okay, So talk to us about what

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<v Speaker 1>that means and what happened to you as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of this.

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<v Speaker 2>So for twenty years, I'm a lawyer with zero history

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<v Speaker 2>of any sort. I was in the Marine Corps. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>an honorably discharge you US Marine. I was a reservist

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty years. I have no discipline. And I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>public defender. You know, public defender is I basically work

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<v Speaker 2>for free. I get I have to defend the people

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<v Speaker 2>in court who have nor so poor they have no

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<v Speaker 2>they can't hire their own lawyer. Right for all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of charges, from DUIs to whatever else. Right, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>public defender. I get a client, his name is Jamal Pennington,

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<v Speaker 2>who's innocent. I don't think he's innocent at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's charged with sex trafficking basically being a pimp.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out the police reframing him. And keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I am not some radical left winger. I am not

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<v Speaker 2>a member of Atifa. I'm not a member of the

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<v Speaker 2>Communist Party.

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<v Speaker 3>I am a normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Tax paying citizen who's never been in trouble with the

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<v Speaker 2>law and never been in trouble with the state bar.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even speed, I don't do drugs. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>do any of those things. And when I point out

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the police falsified a DNA search warrant

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<v Speaker 2>for my client's DNA, they just falsified a search warrant.

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<v Speaker 2>They just made up the evidence to get a search

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<v Speaker 2>warrant to test his DNA. It's not even a contested issue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not one of those things like, oh, maybe they did,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they did. Everybody knows it.

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<v Speaker 2>The case agent bribed one of my witnesses, a defense

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<v Speaker 2>witness who says my client is completely innocent in somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>The case agent, meaning the detective who's running the case

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<v Speaker 2>in secret, gave that witness money to change your testimony.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that not just because she told me

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<v Speaker 2>that and because she told my private investigator that. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that because I actually have the Facebook records proving it.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually have Facebook written proof that the Phoenix Police

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<v Speaker 2>Department agent in charge of a case was bribing and

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<v Speaker 2>tampering with my witness to change your testimony.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did this end up with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm a public defender, so I bring it.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think of the first defense attorney's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do in those circumstances. You bring it to

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<v Speaker 2>the court, right, And so guess what happens When I bring.

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<v Speaker 3>It to the court.

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<v Speaker 1>They side with the police.

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<v Speaker 2>The judge who's a Democrat. They're all democrats, All these

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<v Speaker 2>judges are Democrats. He files a bar complaint against me

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<v Speaker 2>based on what he says I'm being conspiracy theory, that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of stuff. Keep in mind, I have this in writing.

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<v Speaker 2>I have it in writing. I have zero history. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a personal grudge against the prosecutor. So the

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<v Speaker 2>same prosecutor who called me a sexist just randomly started

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<v Speaker 2>calling me a sexist and angry and started resorting to

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<v Speaker 2>ethnic tropes, and the judges were going along with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked then DOUBLEACP for help. Guess who then Double

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<v Speaker 2>ACP sides with. They sided with the prosecutor. Hmm, because

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<v Speaker 2>they have zero interest, zero interest in fighting systematic racism.

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<v Speaker 3>Zero interest.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a bold claim.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a fact, and I will prove every single

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<v Speaker 2>word of it. And so what happens is the bar,

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<v Speaker 2>the judge files a bar complain against me, the state

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<v Speaker 2>bar gives me a year's suspension without a hearing. Every

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer in America, it's ordered by the Supreme Court of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Every lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>Before they take your license, it's just like taking your kids.

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<v Speaker 2>They must give you a hearing. They must give you

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<v Speaker 2>a hearing to be proven by clear and convincing evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is harder for the state to take your

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<v Speaker 2>child from you than it should be to suspend a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>But guess who happens to be the only lawyer in

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<v Speaker 2>the history of Arizona who's lost his license without hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>without being defaulted, or without consent. There's only one Guess

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<v Speaker 2>who that lawyer happens to be. That's me.

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<v Speaker 3>That's me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I see why there's a lot to be

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated about there, and I see why, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>pivot to you know, social media activism and those sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of things. Now, one of the things that I've learned

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<v Speaker 1>is that and maybe this is maybe these things are

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<v Speaker 1>not connected, but I seem to recall I have a

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<v Speaker 1>friend who's a lawyer in New York City, brilliant lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>went to the London School of Economics, THENTO Harvard Law

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and her firm had to change. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get into it. I couldn't give you the details of

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<v Speaker 1>it because I'm not a lawyer, and lawyers speak a

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<v Speaker 1>different language. But her firm had to change some fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>elements about either their culture or whatever it was, in

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<v Speaker 1>order to remain compliant with the current administration's politics, and

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<v Speaker 1>in doing so they would be able to retain certain

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<v Speaker 1>contract government contracts and represent the interests of the government

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. And if they did not make

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<v Speaker 1>these changes and align themselves politically, I guess that would

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<v Speaker 1>be the right way to say it with Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>two point zero, other than they would lose out on

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<v Speaker 1>this significant amount of business. And I was told by

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<v Speaker 1>her that that maneuver is unprecedented, not unlike many other maneuvers, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>your funding is done. We're just going to take away

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<v Speaker 1>your funding. What they're doing with Harvard, what they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>with Columbia, all these other places.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what you're talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like these things are connected?

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<v Speaker 2>Like no, I think what you're talking about, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think what you're talking about in particular. And it's something

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<v Speaker 2>that made me very upset because when when Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was running, his whole kind of thing was free speech,

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<v Speaker 2>like liberty comes first. You're right, because he's he put

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<v Speaker 2>himself out there, and I think legitimately as a victim

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<v Speaker 2>of of of prosecutors and cops gone wrong, gone rogue,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly the FBI agents.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the victim. Donald Trump was the victim of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he was talking about the classified documents case

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<v Speaker 2>and the prosecute. You know the classified documents case in Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>in mar Alago, and there were a number of prosecutions,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was also the one in New York. And

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<v Speaker 2>the ultimate point, you have prosecutors like the criminal system

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<v Speaker 2>has been weaponized. That was kind of his whole pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that that's valid that he's saying that, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just telling you what I interpreted.

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<v Speaker 2>The way I interpreted was that it was a criminal system.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the state bar was weaponized against lawyers who

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<v Speaker 2>were representing his causes in state court after the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty election, Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay, So we got to you got to help

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<v Speaker 1>me because I'm sure that now that we're here a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of folks might want to hear so we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to dwell on it too much. But so, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a phone call that Donald Trump made in Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>saying to it might have been the election commissioner the

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<v Speaker 1>I forget the name of the person, but some individual

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<v Speaker 1>who was in charge of the election the twenty twenty election,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, hey, I need you to get me.

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<v Speaker 1>It might have been thirty thousand votes. It's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>need you to get me thirty thousand votes. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that that's the number, so please fact check me

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<v Speaker 1>if you're hearing my voice. But Donald Trump said that

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<v Speaker 1>on that phone call, the call was recorded, was least

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody. We heard him say that. And then there

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<v Speaker 1>was the election interference case, right, which was that in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>the one where the mugshot famously came from. Fannie Willis

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<v Speaker 1>prosecuted him. But we heard him say that. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has famously had many accusers of him being let's put

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<v Speaker 1>it kindly and say, sexually inappropriate. And he himself has said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I love going backstage in my past. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>making I'm making a point here, I'm making a pointer.

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<v Speaker 1>But he himself, he we heard him before the first

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<v Speaker 1>election say, you know, when you're a celebrity, you can

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<v Speaker 1>just walk up to him and grab him by the

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<v Speaker 1>P word. He said that, right, and then he loses

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<v Speaker 1>in court to Egene Carroll. He found he's found liable

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<v Speaker 1>or something. He's somehow he's an adjudicated rapist. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what the term, this is what the term that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is now adjudicated Civilly response.

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<v Speaker 1>Civilly response, Well, we'll go with that, and we'll go

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<v Speaker 1>with that, okay, mar A lago those documents. Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>also famously had documents in his garage, right, and Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump had documents in his garage and the government said,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not supposed to happen. You're not supposed to have

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<v Speaker 1>those docus certainly not supposed to have next to the toilet.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was a case there, and then Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's position was the criminal justice system is being weaponized

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<v Speaker 1>against me. And that is the position that you think

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<v Speaker 1>is valid for him to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what I'm saying is that's the position he

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<v Speaker 2>was arguing. Okay, And if I can just tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what was saying, that's the position he was arguing. Corollary

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<v Speaker 2>to that was his position that Republicans are the party

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<v Speaker 2>of free speech. Okay, Corollary to that, And if you

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<v Speaker 2>listen Tucker Carlson, he said something that I think resonated

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<v Speaker 2>with me is you only get in trouble when you

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<v Speaker 2>tell the truth. You never get in trouble when you lie,

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<v Speaker 2>because lives don't matter. It's the truth that matters. So

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<v Speaker 2>my assumption was when Donald Trump and he actually signed

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<v Speaker 2>an executive order saying that during the past four years

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<v Speaker 2>during the Biden presidency, any acts by the federal government

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<v Speaker 2>to limit the citizen's right to free speech will be punished.

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<v Speaker 2>The federal government has no right, or no power, or

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<v Speaker 2>no immunity to limit the free speech of private citizens.

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<v Speaker 3>I was ecstatic with joy.

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<v Speaker 2>I was absolutely jumping through the roof and joy because

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<v Speaker 2>I've been the victim of federal I've had the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>at my house because of what I.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell sure, I'm very upsetive.

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<v Speaker 2>While Biden was president, all right, while Democrats were running,

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<v Speaker 2>while all these free speech, all these Party of Equity

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<v Speaker 2>and all this fairness and blah blah blah blah, they

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<v Speaker 2>sent the FBI out at my house in secret because

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<v Speaker 2>I was telling fact jokes on X about the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of attorney. But anyway, so when he goes, when he

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<v Speaker 2>starts deporting these protesters at Columbia, I forget the names exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>but the one kid.

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<v Speaker 1>What was his name?

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<v Speaker 2>I think my mood, yes, yeah, I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 2>how disappointed I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't crying, but I was pretty close to it

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<v Speaker 2>because I felt like that was a betrial, because I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like, finally we had a president who actually really

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<v Speaker 2>really did believe in the first Amendment, really really did believe.

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<v Speaker 3>In free spece.

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<v Speaker 1>But does this not make my point that the point

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<v Speaker 1>I made earlier where Donald Trump has shown that he

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<v Speaker 1>is not the president. I mean, while he technically is

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<v Speaker 1>the president of the United States of America, in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the people, he's the president of some people.

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<v Speaker 3>He won the vote, well, then that's all that matters.

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<v Speaker 1>But some people he's acting on their behalf and other people.

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<v Speaker 2>So put up somebody against them, put up a better candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very very simple, have a p primary, have a

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<v Speaker 2>candidate who actually goes to the primary. The Democrats rigged

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, so so Bernie Sanders, there's no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 1>That I know.

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<v Speaker 2>You then can't be complaining all the other guys an

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<v Speaker 2>anti Democrat when you don't even have a primary to

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<v Speaker 2>put us up the candidate that the people actually want

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<v Speaker 2>to win. That party has forsaked and for they're done

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<v Speaker 2>saying all the other guys are anti Democrats. They've lost that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, how about this for the people that are

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<v Speaker 1>going to compare apples to apples, Right when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at a Joe Biden, a Joe Biden was not to

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<v Speaker 1>the degree that Trump is anti all of us.

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<v Speaker 3>I disagree with that fundamentally.

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<v Speaker 1>Obama do the same thing. I'd go back as far

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<v Speaker 1>as Clinton, because that's as far as I've been like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of politically aware. But I'd throw George Bush Junior

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<v Speaker 1>in there as well.

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<v Speaker 3>As far as which category, in which.

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<v Speaker 1>Category Democrats are part of this country too, Donald.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump, George W. Bush, the Patriots, the Patriot Act guy,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who started a war over a lie and

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<v Speaker 2>killed ten thousand Americans and his father, No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>George W. Bush who invaded Iraq and killed how many

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<v Speaker 2>iraqis that's fair, fairpoint. Okay, However, Donald Trump, relative to

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<v Speaker 2>all of them, has famously been very you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like a witch hunt on Democrats. Everything in

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<v Speaker 2>his social media posts as Democrats did this, that and

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<v Speaker 2>the third.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're out of time. Twice we're out of time.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously we have to have you back up again

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<v Speaker 1>because this is a spirited conversation. I certainly do appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>your time, because this is something that's really necessary. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously you said you're an independent, and we've had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people who fundamentally disagree with everything that we leave on

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<v Speaker 1>this show. But you know, there are people with different

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<v Speaker 1>perspectives and they're all valid. We believe in that, even

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<v Speaker 1>if our president doesn't. So again, I want to thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for your time. Once again, our guest has been

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