1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Elisa Donovan. Hey everyone, 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller. 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 3: Today. We are diving into. 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: A true crime story that was already wild and then 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: it got the Hollywood treatment. First there were the headlines 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: Joe Exotic, the so called Tiger King, and a murder 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: for higher plot targeting animal rights activist Carol Baskin. 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: Then came Joe v. 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: Carroll, the series that tried to make sense of all 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: of it. But in the middle of that chaos was 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: someone who wasn't chasing attention and wasn't playing to the cameras, 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: and that is John Rank. He ran the Exotic Animal 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: Zoo at the center of all of the chaos, and 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: he saw firsthand how things went from eccentric is something 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: much darker. And the man who brought him to life 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: in that series is Brian Van Holt. Brian, thank you 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: so much for being here today with me. 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for having me. It's my it's my pleasure. 20 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: I first got the email from my manager about the invite, 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: and I assume, based on the title of the podcast, 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: that I was going to have to do with my 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, for the movie I did House of As. 24 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: Oh well, listen, if that was, you know, based on 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: something real, then we definitely we would talk about that too. 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: But I was I was so happy to see that 27 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: it was about Joe versus Carol in this this to 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: talk about and engage and revisit this whole this, this 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: whole world was Yes, it was. It's a pleasure and 30 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: I was thrilled. So thank you for having me. 31 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: I'm so glad because listen, I mean, this is just 32 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: one of the craziest, zaniest crimes and stories that I 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: think I've ever heard, and it just sort of keeps 34 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: unfolding the more that you read about it and learned 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: about it. And so when were you watching the documentary 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: The Tiger King, like the rest of us, like, what 37 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: was your immediate reaction when you heard about this story? 38 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: So I actually, first I didn't hear about the story, 39 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: But I do remember Joe exotic prior to seeing the 40 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: docu series because he was running for office and I 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: know he got a lot of attention on like the 42 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 1: late night talk shows and oh yeah, and Steve Colbert 43 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: did something really funny. So that's it. But then the 44 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: Doctor and I'm like, wow, that's a fascinating that's that's crazy, 45 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: that's a fascinating dude. But then, yes, the docu series 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: came out and I believe it was during COVID. Yes, 47 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: so we're binging everything. I mean, this was like, I 48 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: think a two day binger. Like this thing was over 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: and done in a matter of hours because it was addicting. 50 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: It couldn't I couldn't, you know, it couldn't take my 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: eyes off of everything and everything it's so filled with 52 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: The characters in this are just in our you know, 53 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: are fascinating and you know, stranger than fiction, but so 54 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: so real and yes, more normal than we probably give 55 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: them credit for. 56 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: Right. I mean, it felt like I think as it 57 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 2: was the beginning of the pandemic too, and it felt 58 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: like anyway, the one the first thing that everybody was 59 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: doing together, you know, like in our homes all over 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: the country. It was bananas. 61 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: That is true. That is Yeah, you're wrapped. That's a 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: great point. One hundred percent is super is like a 63 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: community culture. It was a cultural a cultural moment, We'll say. 64 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: So when you were getting into this, what what part 65 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: of the real story, like, what was the main thing 66 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: that made you go, wait, wait, did this really happened? 67 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: Is this is this real? 68 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: Like? 69 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: What what's the biggest thing that you think of? 70 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Only well in terms of this story in this world, 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: I think I don't. It's such a hard question. It's 72 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: like asking what's your favorite movie. 73 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: It's true, I hate that question when people ask you. 74 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: That, because there's this world in and of itself is 75 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: so fascinating to me and it's beyond believability and it 76 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: but at the same time, I know it reminded me 77 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: some like, you know, don't don't take this the wrong way, 78 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: and it might might but uh or take it the 79 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: wrong way. But it reminded me a lot of similarities 80 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: with my family dynamics on a you know, on a 81 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: on a on a you know, on steroids. But there 82 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: I could could I could relate to some of the craziness. 83 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: But but at the same time I couldn't. But what 84 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: what But to answer your question, I think, I think 85 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: the most unbelievable character, which but also there's so uh 86 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: pure and truthful to himself is Joe Exotic. I mean 87 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: that there was so many there's a lot you don't 88 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: see too uh in in the docu series that we 89 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: got to discover and uncover doing uh Joe versus Carrol. 90 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like tell me, there's just so. 91 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: Much you didn't get into each the history behind more 92 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: each individual character. It's just because everybody's got such a past, 93 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: and it's like the land of misfits and throwaways always 94 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: end up together, and it always ends up in the 95 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: beginning like perfect, right, loving, everything's good, understand each other, 96 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: you know, I feel connected, I'm understood, and then and 97 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: then shit's gonna blow up no matter what, because those 98 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: dynamics always ends up down the same path, I promise you, yep. 99 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: And it's like has a lot to do with the 100 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: There's a another thing was the narcissism is what really 101 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: triggered me to I think watching this with Joe with 102 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: a lot of the characters, to be honest with Carol Baskin, 103 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: every single every everybody except for John Rinky, the guy 104 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: who I get to play in joeverse Yes, we could, 105 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, to be just so full disclosure too. We weren't. 106 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: We weren't allowed to reach out or or talk to 107 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: or engage with with not only our characters that we 108 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: were playing who were still with us, but anybody from 109 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: the show. 110 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: Oh really, I mean production said. 111 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: Production production coming down from Peacock and be were they. 112 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: Worried about like literation? 113 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: Probably it's always about money. So this is definitely corporate. Corporate, 114 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: It really is corporate. Part of the business is like 115 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: no way, no how, you're not even you're not even 116 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: going there because the first thing I want to do 117 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: as an actor, and most of us did too, to 118 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: reach out to our our our person, the character, the 119 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: person that we're playing and trying to most of us 120 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: wanted to. But then you know, try to learn as 121 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: much as possible and show as much respect and be 122 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: as authentic and you know, it's part of what I 123 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: love to. You know, why I do this is to 124 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: to you know, you know, meet interesting, fascinating people and 125 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: I get to play them, which is another you know bonus. 126 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: But he was so we weren't allowed to reach out 127 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: or talk to him or connect with with with anybody 128 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: that was involved with the show. That didn't prevent them 129 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: from reaching out sometimes, but they did. 130 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: They did people content. 131 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: So the reason so the reason why you asked me why, 132 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: I think because of litigation and potential you know, lawsuits. 133 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I'm sure I would have like, you know, 134 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: have done something wrong and jeopardized the show. I you know, 135 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: I probably would have gotten tired. I probably would have 136 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: went called in the cage with Rinky with you know, 137 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: with not with the weenie dogs, and you know, and 138 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: probably never probably would have joined the circus and would 139 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: have worked that, you know whatever. I probably would have 140 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: tried to get a job. 141 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, become a part of their show instead of your show. 142 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: Research. You know what I'm saying. It was, But which 143 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: is a bummer that we that we couldn't so I so, 144 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: but I I uh, I don't know where I was 145 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: going with the story. I'm just saying, but I got 146 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: to play the character that I was most Yeah, he 147 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: was the most fascinating to me because he was seemed 148 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: like the most sane and normal first. 149 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he certainly comes across as in both in 150 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: your portrayal in the series and in any of the. 151 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: Research that I did. 152 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: He really feels like the most grounded and kind of 153 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: morally centered. I mean, I I think probably everybody has 154 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: their own moral center, all of these people, but his 155 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 2: is sort of the most uh you know, conventionally sound 156 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,359 Speaker 2: sound right, sane, sane. 157 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: You know, normal but whatever that means. But I know 158 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: what we all understand that. But in all I know, 159 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: and it's fascinating too. He's you know, he's the least 160 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: victim on the at least what I experienced, in my opinion, 161 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: the least victim of and Saff. Also the Saff character 162 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: is amazing too, but out of anybody there. And he's 163 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: also a man that doesn't have any leg you know, 164 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: he's got two prosthetic legs, and that's a The dude 165 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: has the best attitude, so grateful, so loving, he's got 166 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: to you know, it's just that he was just a 167 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: lovely character to to to watch and also to try to, 168 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, to to try to convey and try to emulate. 169 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: But I hope one day that I can. You know, 170 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: when I'm scared, I want to reach out and and 171 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: also I'm so fast. There's so many questions too that. 172 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: I as, right, Yeah, what would you want to ask him? 173 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: What would you ask. 174 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: Him if you could jud so? First I think what 175 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: would I ask? A great question? I wouldn't want to 176 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: know what he really thinks and does he because he 177 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: was his big as he was Joe Exotic's biggest supporter. 178 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: MM hmm. 179 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: Still is I. 180 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 3: Think like during the trial, you mean, even after every. 181 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: Day everybody abandoned him and he kind of almost did 182 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: it for a little bit, but he comes back because 183 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: he really, truly, my opinion, truly loves him, loves Joe, 184 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: really cares deeply about him, and I could understand parts 185 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: of him that none none of them seemed to be 186 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: able to. And I want to understand what was it 187 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: about him that made you so loyal and love him 188 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: so much? At least that's what I can My feelings 189 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: were when I was experiencing and watching the documentary series 190 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: and all the other stuff that all the other information 191 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: that I was able to absorb. And also do you 192 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: think is he guilty? I mean there's a lot of 193 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: I mean, right, you don't know who to believe in, 194 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: what to believe in it, you know, guilty of the 195 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: charges that were you know, and what else was going on. 196 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a fascinating world that there's such a 197 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: dark underbelly. 198 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, I. 199 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: Just yeah, there's a lot of questions I want to ask. 200 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it's another thing, yeah, because it feels like 201 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: in this series that they really kind of they're very 202 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: sympathetic to the Joe exotic character. 203 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 3: I mean kind of. 204 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: Of everyone, but really of him. I think there was 205 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: great effort put into, you know, really trying to show 206 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: his background on his first husband and how precious that 207 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: was and how meaningful. Like I it's like they really 208 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: are trying to humanize him to a pretty strong degree. 209 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: It feels like whereas in you know, the reality, it 210 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: just seems like, wow, this guy was. 211 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: Dangerous exactly exactly. I agree with you. That's another thing too, 212 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: yet one hundred percent because I was aware, keenly aware 213 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: of portrayals of how people, you know, when we do 214 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: stories about people that are you know, that are real 215 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: and that's really occurred and whatnot, how he portray their 216 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: version of the story. And I think you're right, But 217 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: there's a dark side that you that you know, it's 218 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. He's such a fascinating character, super 219 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: flamboyantly over the top gay man who's scary, who could 220 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: kill you like with not you know what I mean 221 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: that the dynamic of those dualities. 222 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 3: Yes, it's such a duell of them. 223 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. The same time, he's charming as well. 224 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 2: He's funny, right like when he's so self deprecating and 225 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 2: then but he's like a showman and and then is 226 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: like wrestling and kissing the tiger. 227 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: You're like, what is going on? Like how I good? 228 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: But he also turns. You see one moment and the 229 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: thing I remember from the docu series that he was 230 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: so loving the tigers, but he also got so there 231 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: was a moment where he got threatened and the tiger 232 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: was biting his shoes and pulling them on his leg 233 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: and he's literally firing his weapon off, not at the tigers, 234 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: but threatening. He's like, I'll shoot you in the face, 235 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: which I would probably, I mean, you're gonna get eaten 236 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: by a tiger. But you see that switch in him right, 237 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: like right that fast, not it didn't no hesitation whatsoever. 238 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: It's like a that's the real another, real, true part 239 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: of this person's character and personality. But you know, and 240 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: you just multiply that with every single character in that world. Yeah, 241 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna compe. There's going to be an explosion totally. 242 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: Do you think that from your perspective? 243 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: Do you think that the people at the zoo, everyone 244 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: like your ranking included, did they know that the lines 245 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: were being crossed with the animals or do you think 246 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: that they were and then it just sort of slowly 247 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: became normalized or that's the. 248 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: Great I know, I try to I want I have 249 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: the same question. That's another you know thing I think 250 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: I would want to know or ask Rinky or any 251 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: other character that was there. Did you really not know? 252 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: You know, certain lines are being crossed and then you're 253 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: okay with it? And where's the line? And how far 254 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: do you go with before you before you you're you're 255 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: not okay with with with that? I think. I think 256 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people try to deny and in not 257 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: believe in behavior because it's you know, I think, because 258 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: I really do you see the love of each you 259 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: know what I learned too, Like everybody that works at 260 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: this at the zoo and with the animals has a 261 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: true deep passion. Like there's so much love for these 262 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: animals and animals in general that I think that I 263 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: couldn't imagine like like you know, an uncomfortable, horrific you know, 264 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, a behavior or a situation that especially coming 265 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: from somebody that they at one point looked up to 266 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: and probably loved them, but also like they they also 267 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: turned and grew to hate them real quick, right. 268 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: So do you think with the you know, there there 269 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: is some confusion and controversy about the shooting of the 270 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: five tigers. I feel like in this series they kind 271 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: of portray it differently than what I've read. Was there 272 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: a discussion on set about that about what was the 273 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: motivation for that? 274 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: Good time? I remember it being a very and I 275 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: wasn't in this. I wasn't. I didn't participate in the 276 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: actual was that part of the rights? Yeah, those things, 277 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:03,119 Speaker 1: But I remember it being very struggle for the creators 278 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: and the which story they didn't want to tell and 279 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: how they wanted to portray it. But from what I didn't, 280 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: from what I remember our show, it pretty much portrayed that, 281 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, it really did happen. 282 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that and it seems like almost that Joe, 283 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: it was almost like a selfish thing of I'm getting 284 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: the zoo is being taken away from me, and I 285 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: don't want these tigers to live without me again. It 286 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: almost felt to me like a sympathetic sort of thing, 287 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: Whereas what it says in the press is that those 288 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: animals were too expensive to keep alive or something, and 289 00:15:43,200 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: people wanted to pay to see Little Cubs. Yeah, the 290 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: murder for higher part of this entire. 291 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh. 292 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: Story, both in your series and in real life. That 293 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: really seems like such a turning point. But yet Joe 294 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: seems to just talk about it very openly and consistently. 295 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: So do you think that was like a turning point 296 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: for anyone, like for your character? For RANKI do you? 297 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: I mean, how do you remedy that? Like he must 298 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: have had a response. 299 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: Or for my character? What you mean and how I 300 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: portrayed it in the show and how I felt about it? 301 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, I have my own well 302 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: my I'm assuming again I never met with with mister Ranky, 303 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: and I don't know. And but for me, I there's 304 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: a part of me that has the same at the 305 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: same you know, feelings and animosity towards towards Carol Baskin. 306 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Did I believe that that his friend could uh inherently 307 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: like really mean it? I don't think so. I don't 308 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: think he was capable of of believing that he's somebody 309 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: that and this is a choice that that that he 310 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: feels more like he was framed and set up and 311 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: that wasn't he would say it out loud and jokingly 312 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: he's a lot of bluster Joe exotic and that's what 313 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: I remember. I remember him saying that. Actually, John Rinky 314 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: in the in the in the documentary, I remember I 315 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: wrote it down in some of my old notes about 316 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: he's like kind of tunes him out and doesn't believe 317 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: of all everything that he says and all that, all 318 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: that bless So his part of dealing with him is 319 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: he kind of just said he just tune him out 320 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: and didn't didn't He's talking to a lot of what 321 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: he was obviously, you know, you know peacocking about as 322 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: they said, right, I. 323 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: Mean, and there is there there's a lot of loyalty 324 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: in that whole world. And why do you think people 325 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: stayed even as things got so. 326 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: Extra dream Well, my opinion is that they stayed and 327 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: they they're they're in the first place. But for the 328 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: for for the animals, like I said earlier, there is 329 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: a true deep, strong, uh like connection to animals and 330 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: love and care for these animals and also for each other. 331 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: The bond that I saw and what I had, the 332 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: information that you know, it's a lot most of the 333 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: stuff that I was uh being able to watch and 334 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: read and see you know, you know, YouTube is a 335 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: great thing that they're their commitment to each other. There's 336 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: a special bond between everybody that worked there, and a 337 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 1: deep love and a deep, deep care for a lot 338 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: of them. 339 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 340 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they felt, you know, an acceptance and 341 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: special bond and part of a special fraternity, especially working 342 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: with Joe exotic. I'm sure you know what I mean. 343 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's talk about episode six. Do 344 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 2: you remember what happens in episode six? Because a lot 345 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: happens in episode six. 346 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: I know, I remember, I remember a lot happening. 347 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, John, it's when he finds out he's going to 348 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: be a dad with Amber. Joe totally loses his marbles 349 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: and you walk in on that confrontation. 350 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 3: Do you remember that? How was that to shoot? 351 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: Oh? I walk in on the confrontation when he got 352 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: I get tossed on the ground in the Gift Show. 353 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, that's funny. 354 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: That's a great episode. There's a lot happening and that 355 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: so as much as possible things were based on and uh, 356 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, shaped around the true events as much as 357 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: possible I was to shoot it. I mean, I overall 358 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: in general, I love filming this show. This this this series. 359 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: It was so fun we you know and crazy to 360 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: reenact and kind of participate in this bizarre world and 361 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: to commit to it. And yeah, you know, we get 362 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: this is our license to be you know, this is 363 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: what a gift that we get to be crazy and 364 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: live these you know, these these lives that we were 365 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: like ye with while you know, we all watch a 366 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: series that we have and we get paid for it. 367 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: But the actors, I loved that we had such a 368 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: great cast amazing, Oh yeah, phenomenal, phenomenal everybody talent wise, 369 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: which is good people. 370 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 3: Good humans. Oh that's nice. 371 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, really good humans. And it was such a you know, 372 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: and it's hard and sometimes I'll be honest with you, 373 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: it's not always like that. 374 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't believe me. 375 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: I know, I've worked with some wackos. 376 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: It's part of the you know, that's part of the get. 377 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: But we uh, we just we just had a lot 378 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: of fun and uh in you know, and there was 379 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: so many different scenes. Again, but I remember that show 380 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: that seemed was that was funny, man. I mean there 381 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: was a lot of laughs that day too, and it 382 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: was intense and me, being a stunt man, I had 383 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: to do my own. I had to do a fall 384 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: and I had to act like I had no legs 385 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: and do an act like fall. I don't know, it 386 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: was sexual, like there's all these weird sex toys in 387 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: that shop and stuff that fall on me and I 388 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: throw a condom in someone's face and during their take 389 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: and with Joe Exotics face on it running for office. 390 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. There was all these 391 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: weird little gifts in the choch Key shop and you 392 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: like a like a dildo or a penis on my 393 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: face or something. I'm like, what's going on here? 394 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, You're like what am I doing? 395 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: And it was also intense acting by everybody on It 396 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: was like, you know, like Sam Kay's character John Finley, 397 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry in Amber. I mean it's just a really 398 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: good I mean, I love that John Cameron Mitchell is like, oh, 399 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: so I've been a fan since New York in the nineties. 400 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: Yes, me too, me too. Yeah, Hedwig is Headwig yep. 401 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 402 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: And but you can really feel in this show that 403 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 2: every every character there is like a real humanity that 404 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: the actors brought to them, you know, without because they 405 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: could all be caricatures, right, because they're so big in 406 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: certain ways, but everybody like you really feel like there's 407 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: a heart behind everyone. 408 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: Say that you nailed it. So Eton frank All, the 409 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: showrunner that said that that's the probably why everybody, each 410 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: individual cast made probably was was cast for their part 411 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: for that role because they they they had a sort 412 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: of of an empathy or or an empathic part of 413 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: their characters interpretation or their audition. I know that for sure, 414 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: Like they made a you know, a note of that 415 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: for me. And we talked about it about having well, 416 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: I wish the word I was looking what I wanted 417 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: to quote him, but yeah, just compassion. He said he 418 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: felt like each character they had there's a there's room 419 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: for some compassion in every character, and that's what they 420 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: he was looking for, even in every every And I'm 421 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: trying to think of a character that that does not 422 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: have those moments where even the darkest character will have 423 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: a moment of empathy or compassion that you should have 424 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: or have for or see a little bit of it. 425 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 1: I think so. But I think that was a you know, 426 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: in an intended an intentional casting uh you know thought 427 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: from Eton, Yeah, which I love. It's like that's makes 428 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: it that makes it way more interesting, Yes, because you do. 429 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: You know, you end up some of these moments, and 430 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: you know, some of these characters, even even even the 431 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: most deplorable, annoying, awful human beings and characters in the show, 432 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: there's moments where I actually have some sort of compassion 433 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: for like you name it, h I have a lot 434 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: of compassion for for Carol Baskin's husband. Oh boy, I'm 435 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: just saying, but every even Carroll Baskin, I. 436 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: Have, yes, I mean, well, her husband also seems like 437 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: so just like unbelievably good natured. 438 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: It's too much, man, there's no way. It's too much, 439 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: so much, it's like unbelievable. It's it's like you can't 440 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: write that stuff, like you can't. I mean, it was 441 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: interested to see Kyle McLaughlin play this character, who's, in 442 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: my another one of the coolest dudes on the planet, 443 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: one of my favorite human beings. 444 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: Ah. That's great to hear because I love his work. 445 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: But I've never met him. The biggest sweetheart, he's awesome. 446 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: Get him on, He's the greatest. 447 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 3: Oh, I love hearing that. 448 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody, there's not one. There wasn't one, you know, 449 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: there wasn't one weak link you know, I don't know 450 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: how to articulate, but yeah, we see, how are you 451 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: going to play this dude? Because he's so likable and 452 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: so cool Kyle is and yeah this this this husband, 453 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: he's the victim. I mean you just that though dynamic 454 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: between Carol Baskin and her husband it's crazy. It's incredible 455 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: to me. It's like, oh my lord, they've got they 456 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: could scare me the most of those show. He scares 457 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: me the probably the. 458 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: Most, really her husband, why because he's so willing to 459 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: sort of do her bidding. 460 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: Silent assassin man, the little creeper. I don't know, there's 461 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: something about him, but just I don't know. I hope 462 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: this doesn't get out and upset. 463 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: But silent assassin, little creeper. 464 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: Uh oh, that kind of behavior and stuff is more 465 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: scary to me than the overtly like psycho paths, you 466 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 467 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 2: And the shotgun for Tampa or whatever he called his 468 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 2: rifle that was like the one we're going to Tampa. 469 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: Did that Howard did or who that? 470 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: Joe said like, oh. 471 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, by the way, that wasn't our show. Yeah 472 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: that's funny. So yeah, no, I'd rather have that. I 473 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: feel safer than that kind of craziness then the other boys. 474 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? 475 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I do, I do, because you know what to 476 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 2: there's something about consistency and you know what to expect. 477 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: It's like hitting you in the face. 478 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: There you go. 479 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 2: So even you know, speaking about this having the compassionate 480 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 2: side and all the character of Travis, who is one 481 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 2: of Joe's has bins and then accidentally commit suicide, all 482 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 2: of it he's and he is also a. 483 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: Very sympathetic character. I think. 484 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: So was that like a big shift in both the 485 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: storytelling but also in the reality, Like, tell me your 486 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: thoughts on that. 487 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: So my character, John Rinkey's character had a real connection 488 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: with Travis in the show, Carol, and I think so 489 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: maybe in real life too. But it was a big 490 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: moment in a shift in that story for our show 491 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: and I think in their in the history for the 492 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: in reality too, I think people started to wake up 493 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: a little bit too, certainly, you know, I don't know, 494 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: to wake up some of the dark side of Joe's 495 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: character real personality, I think, I think a lot. I 496 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: think I think Travis's death shifted a lot of people's 497 00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: how they perceive things. 498 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: Right, I like, it's impossible to kind of brush that 499 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: off or as you said how John described things like 500 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: I kind of tuned him out, Like you can't really 501 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: tune that out. 502 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that, you know, Travis was a 503 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: very beloved person on eisde from what I understand. For 504 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: Joe to move on real fast from that also really 505 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: wasn't a good look either. I think he got married 506 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: to somebody else, like a month or two later. 507 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 3: I think Dylan, Yes, he married Dylan Dylan. 508 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: There you go, Yes, which was h you know, interesting, 509 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, that that, you know, But I love my 510 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: One of my favorite scenes and for me in the 511 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: show was with Sam Keeley's character when I go back 512 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: to to visit him to go attend the trial, No way, 513 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: no how, and he asked what, Mike, what I missed 514 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: and or asked him what he misses and he misses 515 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: the alligators and whatnot, and my character says, I miss Travis, 516 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: but yeah, real deep connection. 517 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: That was a beautiful moment in the series. I was 518 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: going to bring that up right before you said it. 519 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: It's a lovely moment. You really feel like this man, 520 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 2: really like it's in your throat, you know, it's it's like, yeah, 521 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 2: it was. 522 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of my favorite moments too from my 523 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: for me, for my character and for for Sam his 524 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: character as well. And just don't run the story overall 525 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: because he's he's he's expressing in in the most vulnerable way, 526 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: some a lot of truth, I think, a lot of wisdom. 527 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: He's kind of you know, as Rinky does. Uh, he's 528 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: laying down some some wisdom and and some you know, 529 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: pure like you know, honesty and pureness. And it's yeah, 530 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: good moment for that guy. 531 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 3: I thought, Yes, I thought so too. 532 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 533 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: They just said to me here that it was two 534 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: months after so Travis died in October and Joe got 535 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: married in December. 536 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: Oh geez, I mean, come on now, that's horrible. And 537 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: I think I heard remember like one moment the only 538 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: people at attended the wedding, which one of them was 539 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: Travis's mom. Really yeah, crazy. 540 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, gosh. 541 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just thinking of Chelsea. Chelsea right, Alexandra Jensen, 542 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: who's phenomenal. 543 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely, she's terrific. 544 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: So good, her character is so fascinating. I wanted more 545 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: of her too. Her character really calls him out. 546 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: For Yes, she's the one who's living with his mom. 547 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: Y right, Yes, phenomenal actress. She's so good. 548 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's just that she's like a secret sniper 549 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: too because she's not taking anything. 550 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: Favorite characters. One of my other favorite moments of the 551 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: host show is her stuff with him, but she's able 552 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: to really challenge him and call him out on his 553 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: in a way that really sinks in. 554 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 3: I think, yes, yes, and like it sinks in for him. 555 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: Yes, for him, That's what I meant for him. Yeah. Also, 556 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: my buddy dumps Dean Winners Jeff Low he's Dean's a 557 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: good friend of mine. 558 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: Oh, he's so good too. In this you just want 559 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: to punch him in the face. 560 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 3: He's so awful and. 561 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: He's so great in that scene when the FBI comes 562 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: where he tries to switch it, like, oh Joe exotics 563 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 2: a real bad guy, Like just take care of him 564 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: however you want to, And they're like, excuse me, sir, 565 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: I feel like you've been arrested for a few things yourself. 566 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: Exactly. 567 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 2: Do you think the show seems to give more backstory 568 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: about Joe and Carroll than the documentary. I mean, it 569 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: definitely does, But did that change how you saw the 570 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: dynamic between the two of them. 571 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: Between Joe and Carol. Yeah, you know, I think it did. 572 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: I think it did. I felt like there's so much 573 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: more to you know. Yeah, it's interesting our show. Our 574 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: show is based on the podcast, right, yeah, and not 575 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: the actual uh docu series. But then I'm sure we 576 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: did it, uh you know, our own uh you know, 577 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: interpretation and information and research, and but I feel like 578 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: there's I mean, I don't know. I feel like there's 579 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: this more for me. It's an impossible question to answer 580 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: because I just there there's so many unanswered questions and 581 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 1: I want to see I need to know more. I 582 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: want to know more. I want more. I'm not I'm not. 583 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: You know, there's and it's I know the story is 584 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: still going on too. There's gotta be more. I guarantee 585 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: you there's more down the road. But I let you know, 586 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: there's just so much to uncover and then you can't 587 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: do it and just want and you know, I don't 588 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: know how many I forget how many episodes we did? 589 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: Eight nine eight? Yeah, eight episode limited series. 590 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: You know there's I mean, there could be a season 591 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: two because now he's got married again in jail and 592 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: then his partner I think was taken away by ice, 593 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 2: like you can't what Yes, I just read it last night. 594 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 3: That you can't right this right And his. 595 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 2: Husband left did a sort of abstract drawing for him, 596 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: and he's like, so, I guess he might be on 597 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: Instagram from prison, like I can't honestly, like just keeps 598 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: going right and he's obsessed with getting married. 599 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 3: I guess, Like it's kind of funny. 600 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: Well obviously, so yeah, yeah, well they say too, he's 601 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: only happy and that's what this is, how Rinky is 602 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: too done. Now it's all coming back to me. There 603 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: was a moment when he's the only person that was 604 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: okay with him getting married so fast after Travis, ironically 605 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: because it makes Joe happy. Joe snapped out and he 606 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: met Dylan, he was himself again, and then you know 607 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: that he's okay with that, but he yes, the person 608 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: that has to be he's so insecure and so it's 609 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,239 Speaker 1: just so wounded and just so oof that he's you know, 610 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: he needs he needs to have another, you know, he 611 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 1: needs to have needs another. 612 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: Yes, it's there, it's he's active on Instagram from federal prison. 613 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: In prison. Still just yeah, that's crazy. I mean there's 614 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: a that's a that's a nurse. 615 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 3: There's a lot of narcissistic. 616 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: Top I mean to the end degree. I mean, I 617 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: know a lot of narcissistic people. Trust me related to 618 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: a couple of them. But don't go that's a separate. 619 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 3: Podcast, right, I'm here for it. 620 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: We'll call it therapy. How's that? Yeah? We uh, but 621 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: that narcissism is just crazy and a lot of them 622 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: have to say, but yeah, yeah, that's. 623 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 2: Joe claims that he sends six to ten posts a 624 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: day via mail from prison to his team to be 625 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 2: posted and saying what is posted on my social media 626 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 2: comes from me and me. 627 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: Only are there photographs with this? 628 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: I mean that we're gonna do a I don't know. 629 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: I know what you and I are doing. As soon 630 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 2: as we're done talking. 631 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to go on Instagram and search. That's crazy. Yeah, 632 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean, what's so funny? That's and remind me to 633 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: be careful, like I remember what what's the the character's 634 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: name that played Joel? Joel? Joel played him. He's the big, 635 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: heavy set guy with the funky hair. 636 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 2: Oh yes, the one that turned FBI like witness garretson. 637 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: Yes, dude, he was he he reached out he said, 638 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: super did totally. 639 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 3: Wait to you. He reached out to you? 640 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah me personally? 641 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 3: What did he say? 642 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: Instagram and DM me? And then I thank god I 643 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: had talked to Eton frankol our producer and say do 644 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: not engage. You cannot be you know, because this is 645 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: pretty early on. It's when I posted. I'm not a 646 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: big social media person, but I did. I did post 647 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: about work. And when I posted that, I was I 648 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: was so happy, so proud and so stoked to get 649 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: this gig. I posted that, you know, I got this 650 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be playing ranking and you know they 651 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: did that whatever Variety article. Yes, And he's like it's 652 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: really him too. He's like, hey man, I'm still and 653 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: so I play this. Nice to see you, congratulations on 654 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: the job. That's awesome, but too bad you're playing such 655 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: a dick. And then he went off and I'm like, 656 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: rip of the bitch, big yeah, I just this went 657 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: on and on and ripping him a new and I'm like, 658 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: oh wait. 659 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 3: But he's the one that became a witness for the FBI. 660 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: The hip hop He's like, there's a backstabb or I 661 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: can I'm going to go back and read it. I 662 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: still saved it in Uh. The projection is a classic projection. 663 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: We called him backstab and unloyal all this other stuff. 664 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, god, this You're the first and only person 665 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: to ever that's ever it's early on or No, it 666 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: was actually after we got down to Australia to shoot 667 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: it months and then when everybody started people other people 668 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: were getting u uh, you know, some certain characters were 669 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: reaching out and people in that world, some of the 670 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: other actors and people were on the show. But I 671 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: just thought it was phonny that that guy. I haven't 672 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: It's like. 673 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 2: Such a really like baiting you, right, like, hey, hey, 674 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: great job. 675 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, I was, you know I would I wanted 676 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,439 Speaker 1: to reach out so bad. You know that your version, dude, 677 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: I want to hear what you got to say. 678 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 3: That must have been so hard to not be allowed 679 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 3: to respond. 680 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: That would be hard. But also along with the I 681 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: don't know if I said this early meant to but 682 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: that not just the the tigious part, but also like 683 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: the I think that world is so scary and unpredictable 684 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: and they're pretty you know, you don't want to really 685 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: get too caught up or engage in that kind of 686 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: that kind of world, uh, at least from my experience, 687 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: because it's you know, it's all funny games, but there's 688 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: some serious starred people, con man professional con artists. But yes, anyway, 689 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: I will mab something. We'll do We'll do a podcast 690 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: and have somebody. Oh that's an idea. I should do 691 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: a podcast with the characters, the actor and the real person. 692 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh I'd love to have both of you on here. 693 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,240 Speaker 1: God. 694 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 2: Oh wow, Well this has been so much fun. Thank 695 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 2: you so much for your time and for talking with me. 696 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 3: And you did beautiful work in this series. 697 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 2: And it's a really interesting series because it's like a 698 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 2: little bit fantastical, it's a little bit you know, the 699 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 2: way it's shot is on you usual in many ways, 700 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 2: like it's a it's an interesting, you know, kind of 701 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 2: commentary and then with also these very real moments in it. 702 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 3: So you did a beautiful job. 703 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: No, I appreciate you. Thank you so much. That means 704 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: a lot. 705 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you, Jovi. 706 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 2: Carol is streaming on Peacock you can watch it now. 707 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 2: And thank you so much. 708 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 3: Brian. 709 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you