WEBVTT - Dale: Getting Real and Feeling Smitten! 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.800 Hey, everyone, welcome back to Beat your Happy Hour. I'm 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.960 Joe and we are here today with our guest Dale 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:09.039 moss Dale. Welcome back to the podcast. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.719 Let's set up. I'm back in the building. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.080 Welcome you're back. We got a lot to talk about. 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.920 Last time you were here, it was pre season, so 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.960 now we're we're past midway, so we're gonna kind of 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:27.040 try to cover everything. Also, near the end of the podcast, 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:28.479 we are going to have to bring up the fact 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:32.600 that Alicia was on our podcast and mentioned that if 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.120 she was there at the beginning, you guys would be 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.040 a couple. So I want to ask you about that, 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.559 So don't let me forget all right, all right, So 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.360 off the jump, you are what you're You come like 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.720 a day later or is it just like the afternoon 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.120 later when you get to Paradises. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:50.760 I came. 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.000 I came a day later, so everyone was in Yeah, 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.200 and I was a late rival with uh right after 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:58.040 the first group. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.120 Did you realize did you know did you pick up 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.600 on the fact that you were like, aha, commodity coming 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.880 in and like when you got to the beach, the 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.640 guys were nervous and all the girls were like, Dal's. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:15.280 Here honestly because I knew absolutely nobody going in. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:16.600 I was familiar with Justin. 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.440 But for me, I was just walking in there and 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.479 just kind of, you know, taking everything in as it came. 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:24.280 You know. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.240 I realized that a little bit more watching it back, 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.600 But honestly, I was a little nervous because it was 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.880 like that moment, like who you're stepping on the beach, 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.200 and that's a place I didn't think I'd be back, 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.960 but it was, you know, once I got to meet everyone, 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.200 I felt very, very comfortable, and I told myself going in, 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:43.479 you know, I'm. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.240 Gonna be open, I'm gonna have fun. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.760 It was honestly a big step for me just because 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:54.280 that environment where there's multiple people you're competing or you know, 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.280 trying to find the right match in the mix of 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.760 you know, I think it was like twenty people there 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.280 is definitely out of the norm. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.760 For me, but it was. It was a great experience. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:10.000 I I you know, I loved, you know, loved doing 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.280 it obviously, you know, fast forward, I still. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.040 Say it was one of the best experiences of my life. 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:19.920 So it started off well, initially, who caught your eye? 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.640 And you know, at the beginning, I mean I was 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.200 just trying to talk and communicate with people and just 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.359 get a feel for them. You know, there's obviously a 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.160 lot of attractive people on the beach, but for me, 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.200 it's really about like how how you connect? 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:36.520 You know. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.800 I never expected to find someone who was perfect in 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.720 every sense. I just wanted to see, you know, who 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.680 had depth, who had growth. And I initially started talking 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.720 to Zoe and she was just easy to talk to 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.280 and chill with. Vibe also being in New York, a 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.560 lot of similarities, and I think that was one thing 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.560 that I was looking for, is how is the alignment? 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.280 Because you know, love is the ultimate right. You want 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:08.160 to build something strong with somebody. But I also know that, 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.959 you know, in previous relationships, the alignment wasn't always there 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.239 and it caused a lot of difficulties. So obviously I 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:19.120 talked to Zoe, Alex Bailey, you know, and then Kat. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.359 We didn't really talk much on the beach. It took 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.920 some time until we actually had just a moment, you know, 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.160 before I or once I got the date card to 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.440 get to know Kat, which she's hilarious. So I didn't 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:37.400 have one person who I was focused on. I was 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:41.200 just trying to meet people and be open and have 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:42.600 zero preconceived notions. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:48.360 As we see you end up like choosing or spending 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.840 most of your time with Kat. What was it about 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.840 Zoe that didn't really work? Because we see as we 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.840 watch it, we see that she's really into you. You 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.280 said you talked to her first, she lives in New York. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.480 Where was was there a disconnect? 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.480 I wouldn't even say there was ever a disconnect with anyone. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.600 I took each interaction as its own moment, and I 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.160 thought it was important to give people that moment and 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.800 just take it as it is. But ultimately, it was 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.560 less about Zoe. It was more about Cat. You know, 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:27.240 Cat and I connected, and I definitely had my guard 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.160 up early on. But you know, one of the things 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.200 that I loved about Cat so much is. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:35.720 That she was going to be who she was going 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.240 to be regardless. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.880 And I think there's a lot of times and it 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.360 came up sometimes during the season, you know, people would 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.000 talk about her past experience on Paradise, which i'd never watched. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.039 I still hadn't, you know, to this day. But I 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.640 think there's this beauty and someone just being who they are. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.520 They don't have to be perfect they can be messy 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.000 at times, and I feel like for a lot of 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:00.680 people and I hear that all the time, I'm is like, 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.719 if someone's got a big personality or they're emotional, a 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.680 lot of times they get put into this box where 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.880 people try to almost limit it right, like they're too much. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.520 But for me, if someone can express themselves and have 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:19.320 fun and uh, you know, just be unapologetically themselves, that's 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:20.719 extremely attractive to me. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.120 Do you have a type and if so, would you 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.160 say Cat is your typical type of women that you date, 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.200 either physically or her personality. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.320 I wouldn't say I have a type. You know, I've 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:41.520 dated every race, you know, all backgrounds. Cat, I would 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.120 say is typically not my type. To be honest, you know, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.719 some of my previous relationships, my last three, you know, 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.400 where my age or older. You know, they were all entrepreneurs, 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.480 and they they were a different mix with each person 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.960 that I'd been with. So Kat was definitely unique in 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.880 that sense. But ultimately, you know, one of the through 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.839 lines whoever I've been with and whoever I've dated, We're 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.640 able to laugh together, We're able to have fun, you know, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.920 and I think we're able to move through things pretty quickly, 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.400 and at the core of it, it's it's really just 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.880 you know, if values are the same, and then you know, 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.680 they just have a good heart and a kind spirit. 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.160 So a little different than I've dated in the past. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.440 But again, you know, I was really happy with how 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.960 the Paradise experience started off, and you know, have so 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:34.600 much love and respect for Cat. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.479 So jumping ahead and we'll come back, but I just 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.160 want to just because we're kind of on the topic 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.720 of if she's your type or not. Sean mentions I 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.960 think in this recent episode, like Dell would never take 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.920 you serious after the show. It seems kind of out 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.839 of left field for him even to say that. But 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:54.120 why do you think he said that? 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.480 I mean, I think Sean was just worked up, right, Yeah, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.960 I think he was hurt based on some of the 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.279 things that you know, he perceived or whatever. 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.840 But ultimately, like I don't invest time in. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.240 People that I don't care about, you know, and I think, 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:15.360 like you know, through the season, you realize that there's 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.040 moments right where there could be some conflict or we 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.840 have triggers and things like that, But the reality is, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.600 you know, time is valuable. I've got a lot going 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.720 on I respect what people have going on in their life, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.080 and I don't take connection in those things very lightly. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.560 So I think that just came from a place of 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.600 probably frustration and hurt because at the end of the day, 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:42.760 like I walked on the beach also saying if someone 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.040 wasn't here for me, I was fine leaving on my 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:45.640 own terms. 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.320 I'm very secure on my own. You know. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:49.800 I want to build a life. I want to have 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.480 a relationship, I want to get married, I want to 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.040 have kids. But I'm not pressed on those things. So 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.320 anything that I do or any time that I spend 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.320 with someone, it's very intentional and I'm doing it because 0:07:59.480 --> 0:07:59.960 I want to. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:01.600 So got it. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.720 We see that you and Kat are building like a 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.800 great foundation cheer relationship. The first bump in the road 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.640 that you guys have is with the appearance of Ali 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:12.800 Joe and that that. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.640 Was as is probably the biggest phrase of the season. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:21.160 Yes, as we see on your T shirt today, Oh is. 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:22.840 That what your is that what your T shirt says? 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.520 Yeah, I got to have a little fun with it, 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.320 right Like in those moments, it's it's intense, and you know, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:33.080 I don't shy away from anything that happened on the show. Right, Like, 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:37.160 I went there, I was having fun. The reality is, though, 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.880 like there was never a bad intent. But one thing 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.679 that I realized and I think everyone does, right, you 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.480 have these ideas of how you're going to move through 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:51.280 situations and uh, you know, sometimes an intense environment. One 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.840 thing that most people don't realize and I had to realize, 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:55.960 is you think you have it all worked out, you 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:00.000 work through past relationships and triggers, but something in sometimes 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.160 times they come up, you know. And that was definitely 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:07.280 a moment where kind of out of left field, extremely uncharacteristic. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.959 Like my sister was like, what the hell is that, 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:11.400 I've never seen you act like that. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:16.319 I was like, yo, I'm with you there. But in 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.439 the moment and in real time, it wasn't nearly as 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.160 big of a thing. Right, moved through it really quickly. 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.960 But yeah, I mean, you know, those things happen. There's 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.440 sometimes a little conflict, but no relationship is perfect. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.440 And the reality is, as. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.040 People have seen through the season, Kat and I navigated 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.240 real things in real time, and you know, I think 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:46.240 that's what makes the story like so so great. 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.240 One thing when Cat came on this podcast, the one 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.280 thing she said that was like the biggest trigger for 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.080 her was you said it was like near the end 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.920 of it was after the Row ceremony where you're like, 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.439 we just grew up in differently or we came from 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.120 we come from different backgrounds. Why did you say that? 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.160 At the time, I guess, like, what did you mean 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:10.480 by that? 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.120 Yeah, I mean my my take on that had nothing 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.600 to do with her background or anything as far as 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.000 in a negative light. It was pretty clear cut and dry, right, like, Yeah, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.400 I think our approach to our triggers our relationships things 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:25.440 are a little bit different. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:26.320 You know. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.280 I grew up in a house with my mom and 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.280 my four sisters. My dad wasn't in the picture that much, 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.360 you know, and they were you know, thick skin. Stuff 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.360 didn't really affect them that much. But I was always 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.319 told as much as possible, you know, even though we're 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.120 on a reality show, keep your relationship very tight, keep 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.959 it private, because you know, if people get into it, 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.800 they'll they'll try to tear down a good thing. Also, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.280 it was just in a simple way, you know, I 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.199 grew up in in just a different space with Yea, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.360 So it was never it was never anything as like 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.920 a jab And I think she took that in that way, 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:08.920 and we talked about that not only on the show, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.600 you know, like in that moment, but later on in 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.719 the show, because that was something that she had never 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.920 shared and she was always worried about her upbringing and 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.800 how that could be used against her. And you know, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.520 for me, on the outside, people would think I had 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:28.240 a traumatic, a very tough upbringing. You know, I've been isolated. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.280 I couldn't stay at friends' houses because of biracial marriage. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.640 I didn't know my mom's side because of biracial marriage, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:40.320 racial profiling, all those things. Right, we were poor. But 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:45.880 the reality is, like, you know, I've been through the mud, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.160 and one thing I would never judge anyone for is 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.040 their background. I think that's something that makes us so beautiful. 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.920 And I'll never apologize for how I grew up my 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.319 family or things that happened, because it's made me who 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.319 I am today. So I think that was just again, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.720 it was just trigger, right, you know, something that's delivered 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.320 and it lands, you know in a different way. But 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:12.560 there was no intent, ill intent or anything like that. Yeah, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.760 I was just saying, like as kind of clear cut 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.440 and dry, we just have different backgrounds and sometimes our 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.160 perspectives are going to be a little bit different. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.280 Is there anything you issue done differently in regards to 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.280 the situation with Ali Joe and Kat? 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.360 I mean, I think the biggest thing, you know, I'm 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.600 patient right too much rose. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.480 That was the one time we actually clocked if we 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.600 were watching, like he's drinking rose right now? 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:45.360 These hit for sure. 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.720 And the thing is, in that situation, I was like 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.040 sitting down, like I thought we were going to have 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.120 a really deep emotional talk about how we've moved past things, 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.440 like you know that moment where you guys, you really 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.760 get like this because we'd spend a day and a 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:03.640 half flee together after the whole Ali Joe situation. So 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.400 you know, on my side, I would say definitely, you know, 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.160 just been more patient, you know, even if a trigger 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.120 had occurred, you know, probably just taking some time to 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.520 separate in space, which is normally what I do, right, 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.800 you know, It's it's hard to get away from all 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.160 the cameras and stuff following you around when you're trying 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.360 to cool down. And then I think on the other side, 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.200 you know, on the Ali Joe situation, it wasn't even 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.840 something that really sat and held wait because I took 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.480 that as like its own moment, its own situation. We 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.280 had known each other for four days. You have someone 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.520 who's opening up and you know, putting themselves out there. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.160 But I think, like, you know, I guess it's just 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.600 a communication thing there, right, understanding what Cat expects in 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.800 that moment at that time, and then you know the 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:51.920 reality as well. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:53.800 And this is something I've had to learn. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.760 Sometimes people are going to express emotions and it's not personal, right. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.240 Sometimes it's so easy for us to take that as 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:05.880 personal when they're really just expressing where they're at and 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.000 you know what they're feeling in that moment. So again, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.000 uncharacteristic moment. I don't shy away from it in any 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.960 any way, shape or form. You know, Kat handled herself, 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:22.360 you know, remarkably she did the whole season. And again, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.240 it was just one of those moments early on that 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.640 we moved past, you know, pretty quickly. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.360 And then yeah, it's just you're learning new things with 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:30.880 new people. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:33.920 I'm not talking about like where you guys are at 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:38.880 now with your relationship, but around this time, what is 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.960 the deal with you and Jonathan? Are you friends? 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:42.800 Are you just? 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:44.120 Yeah? 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.560 I would I think it's funny because the whole Jonathan thing, 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:52.480 like I didn't have a bad bone, I had no 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.880 like I had no qualms with anybody on the show. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.440 Right, So when you. 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.280 Watch it back, you see all these things with Jonathan, 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.720 and yeah, you know, it was a little annoying and whatever, but. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:04.080 It didn't really affect me. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.400 Like I was never worried about Jonathan and his actions. 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.480 All I could do is like, you know, how I 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.040 showed up with kat. I had love and respect from 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.360 everyone in the house. And I think there there was 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.720 a time where I don't know if it like everyone 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.840 starts throwing around this bro code thing. I don't know 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.880 how the bro code thing got so big. But yeah, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.240 Jonathan and I thought were cool. I didn't talk too 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.160 much about my personal stuff with him personally, I don't 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.440 think a lot of people people did. But again, you're 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.400 navigating an environment that you're trying to find the right match. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:42.600 You know, there was obviously interests early on and from there, like, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.840 all I can control is how I handle things, so 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.120 people are gonna do what they're gonna do. I wasn't 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.280 losing sleep over it. It wasn't really a big thing, 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.480 and you know, if there was something to address. I 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.560 did it the whole season. I went right up to 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:54.720 the person and addressed it. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.600 So what you see is what you get in your im. 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.320 We see that you end up having the power this 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.320 week to break the tie for the vote on who's 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:10.200 going to go home? It is between Jonathan and Layah 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:15.320 or Keith and Kathy. And you explained that you get 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.600 went with Jonathan and Layah because Jonathan had kind of 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.480 created a little bit of turmoil between you and Cat, 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.600 so it made it an easy decision. Do you want 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.080 to just provide a little bit more insight into that decision? 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:30.640 And if you say that, I mean. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:36.040 My decision entirely was in regards to Keith and guidance 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:37.680 and support for the rest of the time. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:38.920 Keith and Kathy. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.760 I had an amazing relationship with them, and I understand, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.600 you know, some of the things early on with Jonathan and. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.720 But that didn't really play into my decision. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.720 I think at the moment it could be like, you know, 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:52.840 a little funny, It's like, all right, here we go, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.520 But it was never like a payback thing or anything. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.280 You had two couples who obviously weren't in a relationship. 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:02.520 But I knew what was important for me in the 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.720 deep conversations that I had with both Kathy and Keith. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.399 It was tough to navigate things at different times, and 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.439 not only for myself. I cared about everyone else who 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:17.000 was there, and I know for Kat and I having 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.400 Keith and Kathy there was going to be important. 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:21.400 We confided in them a lot. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.240 We talked about our family, They talked us down from situations, 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.199 they gave us perspectives. So the reality was it was 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:32.880 less about Jonathan. It wasn't really even about Jonathan at all. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.680 It was more about Keith and Kathy and how great 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:36.040 they were. 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.280 Are you at this point? So we see obviously mid 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.280 season the structure of the show gets switched to a 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.760 love show to a competition show. Yeah, do you have 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.800 any Is there a strategy going on? Because when you 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:54.720 do eliminate Jonathan, My thinking is that you eliminate Jonathan 0:17:54.800 --> 0:18:00.320 because Keith most likely will eliminate himself the next week 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.359 because he's like keep saying like I want to go home, 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.200 I want to go home. So why not take out 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.480 Jonathan and Leah who are actually pretty strong, keep Keith 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.080 who can potentially eliminate himself the next week? Like, is 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:11.959 there strategy. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.520 It wasn't really like, not really strategy. I wanted to 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.600 be around people that I could trust and that I 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:19.640 liked spending time with. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.640 You know, Cat and I, we built great relationships. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.479 People could see us at as a threat, but the 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.800 reality is the strongest couples were going to be there 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.560 at the end. I think everyone kind of knew that 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:35.640 it was less strategy with us, and you know, I 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.640 just loved having Keith and Kathy around. And I don't 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.320 want to say that it wasn't top of mind, but 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.320 Cat and I believed the entire time that we were 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.199 going to be fine. Right when it push came to 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.840 shove and you had to eliminate some of your close 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.240 friends and some of the really really strong couples, we 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:58.200 would cross that path. But there wasn't really too much strategy, honestly. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:08.600 Okay, okay, we we see Sean doing all the you know, 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:13.960 the politician, But even going back a little a little prior, 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:19.000 Alicia comes in. She seems to be really into you. 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:20.840 You seem to be you seem to be into her 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:25.520 a little bit. She ends up taking Sean on the date. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.200 If she would have asked you, would you have went? 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.760 I mean, I so I had a conversation with Alicia. 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.480 You know, very clearly she talked with Kat and she 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:40.760 she uh spoke with me, and you know, we kind 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.360 of hit it off in just a natural way, just relatability. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.120 We had crossover and things that we were involved in, 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.280 and you know, from that night to the next morning, 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:55.360 you sit and you analyze, like really, you know, you're 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.080 trying to find the perfect match. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.360 And I was very open with her. I told her 0:19:59.359 --> 0:19:59.960 how I saw her. 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.760 I said, you know, if you if you want to 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:05.880 take me on a date, uh, you know, I'm open 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.600 to understanding and getting to know more about you. I 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.600 also told her very directly that regardless of a date, 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.080 my roses going to Cat. So you know, she definitely 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.600 knew that we had our conversation. At the end, she said, 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.240 I asked her how it matched up with Kat's conversation, 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.960 and she said, your words and your actions line up perfectly, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:26.840 So she knew where I stood. 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:28.280 You know, it was very very clear. 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.000 And I think the battle that everyone goes through, right, 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:37.399 it's like you built something with someone and you know 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.520 it's it's been great, and then you have someone else 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:43.679 come in and it's like wholla. These boxes check in 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.240 an area that I didn't expect, but ultimately, at the 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.359 end of the day, it was it was always Cat, 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.719 and I think, you know, you go through these things 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:54.639 and the Ali Joe's and some of the early you 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.480 know stages with the kissing booth and stuff, everything brought 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.240 me back closer to Cat each and every time. 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:03.960 And also that same day. 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.720 I realized very very clearly, it's not about who's coming in. 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.240