Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Beat your Happy Hour. I'm
Speaker 1: Joe and we are here today with our guest Dale
Speaker 1: moss Dale. Welcome back to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Let's set up. I'm back in the building.
Speaker 1: Welcome you're back. We got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: Last time you were here, it was pre season, so
Speaker 1: now we're we're past midway, so we're gonna kind of
Speaker 1: try to cover everything. Also, near the end of the podcast,
Speaker 1: we are going to have to bring up the fact
Speaker 1: that Alicia was on our podcast and mentioned that if
Speaker 1: she was there at the beginning, you guys would be
Speaker 1: a couple. So I want to ask you about that,
Speaker 1: So don't let me forget all right, all right, So
Speaker 1: off the jump, you are what you're You come like
Speaker 1: a day later or is it just like the afternoon
Speaker 1: later when you get to Paradises.
Speaker 2: I came.
Speaker 3: I came a day later, so everyone was in Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I was a late rival with uh right after
Speaker 3: the first group.
Speaker 1: Did you realize did you know did you pick up
Speaker 1: on the fact that you were like, aha, commodity coming
Speaker 1: in and like when you got to the beach, the
Speaker 1: guys were nervous and all the girls were like, Dal's.
Speaker 3: Here honestly because I knew absolutely nobody going in.
Speaker 2: I was familiar with Justin.
Speaker 3: But for me, I was just walking in there and
Speaker 3: just kind of, you know, taking everything in as it came.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I realized that a little bit more watching it back,
Speaker 3: But honestly, I was a little nervous because it was
Speaker 3: like that moment, like who you're stepping on the beach,
Speaker 3: and that's a place I didn't think I'd be back,
Speaker 3: but it was, you know, once I got to meet everyone,
Speaker 3: I felt very, very comfortable, and I told myself going in,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna be open, I'm gonna have fun.
Speaker 3: It was honestly a big step for me just because
Speaker 3: that environment where there's multiple people you're competing or you know,
Speaker 3: trying to find the right match in the mix of
Speaker 3: you know, I think it was like twenty people there
Speaker 3: is definitely out of the norm.
Speaker 2: For me, but it was. It was a great experience.
Speaker 3: I I you know, I loved, you know, loved doing
Speaker 3: it obviously, you know, fast forward, I still.
Speaker 2: Say it was one of the best experiences of my life.
Speaker 1: So it started off well, initially, who caught your eye?
Speaker 1: And you know, at the beginning, I mean I was
Speaker 1: just trying to talk and communicate with people and just
Speaker 1: get a feel for them. You know, there's obviously a
Speaker 1: lot of attractive people on the beach, but for me,
Speaker 1: it's really about like how how you connect?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I never expected to find someone who was perfect in
Speaker 3: every sense. I just wanted to see, you know, who
Speaker 3: had depth, who had growth. And I initially started talking
Speaker 3: to Zoe and she was just easy to talk to
Speaker 3: and chill with. Vibe also being in New York, a
Speaker 3: lot of similarities, and I think that was one thing
Speaker 3: that I was looking for, is how is the alignment?
Speaker 3: Because you know, love is the ultimate right. You want
Speaker 3: to build something strong with somebody. But I also know that,
Speaker 3: you know, in previous relationships, the alignment wasn't always there
Speaker 3: and it caused a lot of difficulties. So obviously I
Speaker 3: talked to Zoe, Alex Bailey, you know, and then Kat.
Speaker 3: We didn't really talk much on the beach. It took
Speaker 3: some time until we actually had just a moment, you know,
Speaker 3: before I or once I got the date card to
Speaker 3: get to know Kat, which she's hilarious. So I didn't
Speaker 3: have one person who I was focused on. I was
Speaker 3: just trying to meet people and be open and have
Speaker 3: zero preconceived notions.
Speaker 1: As we see you end up like choosing or spending
Speaker 1: most of your time with Kat. What was it about
Speaker 1: Zoe that didn't really work? Because we see as we
Speaker 1: watch it, we see that she's really into you. You
Speaker 1: said you talked to her first, she lives in New York.
Speaker 1: Where was was there a disconnect?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even say there was ever a disconnect with anyone.
Speaker 3: I took each interaction as its own moment, and I
Speaker 3: thought it was important to give people that moment and
Speaker 3: just take it as it is. But ultimately, it was
Speaker 3: less about Zoe. It was more about Cat. You know,
Speaker 3: Cat and I connected, and I definitely had my guard
Speaker 3: up early on. But you know, one of the things
Speaker 3: that I loved about Cat so much is.
Speaker 2: That she was going to be who she was going
Speaker 2: to be regardless.
Speaker 3: And I think there's a lot of times and it
Speaker 3: came up sometimes during the season, you know, people would
Speaker 3: talk about her past experience on Paradise, which i'd never watched.
Speaker 3: I still hadn't, you know, to this day. But I
Speaker 3: think there's this beauty and someone just being who they are.
Speaker 3: They don't have to be perfect they can be messy
Speaker 3: at times, and I feel like for a lot of
Speaker 3: people and I hear that all the time, I'm is like,
Speaker 3: if someone's got a big personality or they're emotional, a
Speaker 3: lot of times they get put into this box where
Speaker 3: people try to almost limit it right, like they're too much.
Speaker 3: But for me, if someone can express themselves and have
Speaker 3: fun and uh, you know, just be unapologetically themselves, that's
Speaker 3: extremely attractive to me.
Speaker 4: Do you have a type and if so, would you
Speaker 4: say Cat is your typical type of women that you date,
Speaker 4: either physically or her personality.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I have a type. You know, I've
Speaker 3: dated every race, you know, all backgrounds. Cat, I would
Speaker 3: say is typically not my type. To be honest, you know,
Speaker 3: some of my previous relationships, my last three, you know,
Speaker 3: where my age or older. You know, they were all entrepreneurs,
Speaker 3: and they they were a different mix with each person
Speaker 3: that I'd been with. So Kat was definitely unique in
Speaker 3: that sense. But ultimately, you know, one of the through
Speaker 3: lines whoever I've been with and whoever I've dated, We're
Speaker 3: able to laugh together, We're able to have fun, you know,
Speaker 3: and I think we're able to move through things pretty quickly,
Speaker 3: and at the core of it, it's it's really just
Speaker 3: you know, if values are the same, and then you know,
Speaker 3: they just have a good heart and a kind spirit.
Speaker 2: So a little different than I've dated in the past.
Speaker 3: But again, you know, I was really happy with how
Speaker 3: the Paradise experience started off, and you know, have so
Speaker 3: much love and respect for Cat.
Speaker 1: So jumping ahead and we'll come back, but I just
Speaker 1: want to just because we're kind of on the topic
Speaker 1: of if she's your type or not. Sean mentions I
Speaker 1: think in this recent episode, like Dell would never take
Speaker 1: you serious after the show. It seems kind of out
Speaker 1: of left field for him even to say that. But
Speaker 1: why do you think he said that?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Sean was just worked up, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he was hurt based on some of the
Speaker 3: things that you know, he perceived or whatever.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, like I don't invest time in.
Speaker 3: People that I don't care about, you know, and I think,
Speaker 3: like you know, through the season, you realize that there's
Speaker 3: moments right where there could be some conflict or we
Speaker 3: have triggers and things like that, But the reality is,
Speaker 3: you know, time is valuable. I've got a lot going
Speaker 3: on I respect what people have going on in their life,
Speaker 3: and I don't take connection in those things very lightly.
Speaker 3: So I think that just came from a place of
Speaker 3: probably frustration and hurt because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: like I walked on the beach also saying if someone
Speaker 3: wasn't here for me, I was fine leaving on my
Speaker 3: own terms.
Speaker 2: I'm very secure on my own. You know.
Speaker 3: I want to build a life. I want to have
Speaker 3: a relationship, I want to get married, I want to
Speaker 3: have kids. But I'm not pressed on those things. So
Speaker 3: anything that I do or any time that I spend
Speaker 3: with someone, it's very intentional and I'm doing it because
Speaker 3: I want to.
Speaker 1: So got it.
Speaker 4: We see that you and Kat are building like a
Speaker 4: great foundation cheer relationship. The first bump in the road
Speaker 4: that you guys have is with the appearance of Ali
Speaker 4: Joe and that that.
Speaker 1: Was as is probably the biggest phrase of the season.
Speaker 4: Yes, as we see on your T shirt today, Oh is.
Speaker 1: That what your is that what your T shirt says?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to have a little fun with it,
Speaker 3: right Like in those moments, it's it's intense, and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't shy away from anything that happened on the show. Right, Like,
Speaker 3: I went there, I was having fun. The reality is, though,
Speaker 3: like there was never a bad intent. But one thing
Speaker 3: that I realized and I think everyone does, right, you
Speaker 3: have these ideas of how you're going to move through
Speaker 3: situations and uh, you know, sometimes an intense environment. One
Speaker 3: thing that most people don't realize and I had to realize,
Speaker 3: is you think you have it all worked out, you
Speaker 3: work through past relationships and triggers, but something in sometimes
Speaker 3: times they come up, you know. And that was definitely
Speaker 3: a moment where kind of out of left field, extremely uncharacteristic.
Speaker 2: Like my sister was like, what the hell is that,
Speaker 2: I've never seen you act like that.
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, I'm with you there. But in
Speaker 3: the moment and in real time, it wasn't nearly as
Speaker 3: big of a thing. Right, moved through it really quickly.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, you know, those things happen. There's
Speaker 3: sometimes a little conflict, but no relationship is perfect.
Speaker 2: And the reality is, as.
Speaker 3: People have seen through the season, Kat and I navigated
Speaker 3: real things in real time, and you know, I think
Speaker 3: that's what makes the story like so so great.
Speaker 1: One thing when Cat came on this podcast, the one
Speaker 1: thing she said that was like the biggest trigger for
Speaker 1: her was you said it was like near the end
Speaker 1: of it was after the Row ceremony where you're like,
Speaker 1: we just grew up in differently or we came from
Speaker 1: we come from different backgrounds. Why did you say that?
Speaker 1: At the time, I guess, like, what did you mean
Speaker 1: by that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my my take on that had nothing
Speaker 3: to do with her background or anything as far as
Speaker 3: in a negative light. It was pretty clear cut and dry, right, like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think our approach to our triggers our relationships things
Speaker 3: are a little bit different.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I grew up in a house with my mom and
Speaker 3: my four sisters. My dad wasn't in the picture that much,
Speaker 3: you know, and they were you know, thick skin. Stuff
Speaker 3: didn't really affect them that much. But I was always
Speaker 3: told as much as possible, you know, even though we're
Speaker 3: on a reality show, keep your relationship very tight, keep
Speaker 3: it private, because you know, if people get into it,
Speaker 3: they'll they'll try to tear down a good thing. Also,
Speaker 3: it was just in a simple way, you know, I
Speaker 3: grew up in in just a different space with Yea,
Speaker 3: So it was never it was never anything as like
Speaker 3: a jab And I think she took that in that way,
Speaker 3: and we talked about that not only on the show,
Speaker 3: you know, like in that moment, but later on in
Speaker 3: the show, because that was something that she had never
Speaker 3: shared and she was always worried about her upbringing and
Speaker 3: how that could be used against her. And you know,
Speaker 3: for me, on the outside, people would think I had
Speaker 3: a traumatic, a very tough upbringing. You know, I've been isolated.
Speaker 3: I couldn't stay at friends' houses because of biracial marriage.
Speaker 3: I didn't know my mom's side because of biracial marriage,
Speaker 3: racial profiling, all those things. Right, we were poor. But
Speaker 3: the reality is, like, you know, I've been through the mud,
Speaker 3: and one thing I would never judge anyone for is
Speaker 3: their background. I think that's something that makes us so beautiful.
Speaker 3: And I'll never apologize for how I grew up my
Speaker 3: family or things that happened, because it's made me who
Speaker 3: I am today. So I think that was just again,
Speaker 3: it was just trigger, right, you know, something that's delivered
Speaker 3: and it lands, you know in a different way. But
Speaker 3: there was no intent, ill intent or anything like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was just saying, like as kind of clear cut
Speaker 3: and dry, we just have different backgrounds and sometimes our
Speaker 3: perspectives are going to be a little bit different.
Speaker 4: Is there anything you issue done differently in regards to
Speaker 4: the situation with Ali Joe and Kat?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the biggest thing, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: patient right too much rose.
Speaker 1: That was the one time we actually clocked if we
Speaker 1: were watching, like he's drinking rose right now?
Speaker 2: These hit for sure.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, in that situation, I was like
Speaker 3: sitting down, like I thought we were going to have
Speaker 3: a really deep emotional talk about how we've moved past things,
Speaker 3: like you know that moment where you guys, you really
Speaker 3: get like this because we'd spend a day and a
Speaker 3: half flee together after the whole Ali Joe situation. So
Speaker 3: you know, on my side, I would say definitely, you know,
Speaker 3: just been more patient, you know, even if a trigger
Speaker 3: had occurred, you know, probably just taking some time to
Speaker 3: separate in space, which is normally what I do, right,
Speaker 3: you know, It's it's hard to get away from all
Speaker 3: the cameras and stuff following you around when you're trying
Speaker 3: to cool down. And then I think on the other side,
Speaker 3: you know, on the Ali Joe situation, it wasn't even
Speaker 3: something that really sat and held wait because I took
Speaker 3: that as like its own moment, its own situation. We
Speaker 3: had known each other for four days. You have someone
Speaker 3: who's opening up and you know, putting themselves out there.
Speaker 3: But I think, like, you know, I guess it's just
Speaker 3: a communication thing there, right, understanding what Cat expects in
Speaker 3: that moment at that time, and then you know the
Speaker 3: reality as well.
Speaker 2: And this is something I've had to learn.
Speaker 3: Sometimes people are going to express emotions and it's not personal, right.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's so easy for us to take that as
Speaker 3: personal when they're really just expressing where they're at and
Speaker 3: you know what they're feeling in that moment. So again,
Speaker 3: uncharacteristic moment. I don't shy away from it in any
Speaker 3: any way, shape or form. You know, Kat handled herself,
Speaker 3: you know, remarkably she did the whole season. And again,
Speaker 3: it was just one of those moments early on that
Speaker 3: we moved past, you know, pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, it's just you're learning new things with
Speaker 2: new people.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like where you guys are at
Speaker 1: now with your relationship, but around this time, what is
Speaker 1: the deal with you and Jonathan? Are you friends?
Speaker 2: Are you just?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I would I think it's funny because the whole Jonathan thing,
Speaker 3: like I didn't have a bad bone, I had no
Speaker 3: like I had no qualms with anybody on the show.
Speaker 2: Right, So when you.
Speaker 3: Watch it back, you see all these things with Jonathan,
Speaker 3: and yeah, you know, it was a little annoying and whatever, but.
Speaker 2: It didn't really affect me.
Speaker 3: Like I was never worried about Jonathan and his actions.
Speaker 3: All I could do is like, you know, how I
Speaker 3: showed up with kat. I had love and respect from
Speaker 3: everyone in the house. And I think there there was
Speaker 3: a time where I don't know if it like everyone
Speaker 3: starts throwing around this bro code thing. I don't know
Speaker 3: how the bro code thing got so big. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Jonathan and I thought were cool. I didn't talk too
Speaker 3: much about my personal stuff with him personally, I don't
Speaker 3: think a lot of people people did. But again, you're
Speaker 3: navigating an environment that you're trying to find the right match.
Speaker 3: You know, there was obviously interests early on and from there, like,
Speaker 3: all I can control is how I handle things, so
Speaker 3: people are gonna do what they're gonna do. I wasn't
Speaker 3: losing sleep over it. It wasn't really a big thing,
Speaker 3: and you know, if there was something to address. I
Speaker 3: did it the whole season. I went right up to
Speaker 3: the person and addressed it.
Speaker 4: So what you see is what you get in your im.
Speaker 4: We see that you end up having the power this
Speaker 4: week to break the tie for the vote on who's
Speaker 4: going to go home? It is between Jonathan and Layah
Speaker 4: or Keith and Kathy. And you explained that you get
Speaker 4: went with Jonathan and Layah because Jonathan had kind of
Speaker 4: created a little bit of turmoil between you and Cat,
Speaker 4: so it made it an easy decision. Do you want
Speaker 4: to just provide a little bit more insight into that decision?
Speaker 4: And if you say that, I mean.
Speaker 3: My decision entirely was in regards to Keith and guidance
Speaker 3: and support for the rest of the time.
Speaker 2: Keith and Kathy.
Speaker 3: I had an amazing relationship with them, and I understand,
Speaker 3: you know, some of the things early on with Jonathan and.
Speaker 2: But that didn't really play into my decision.
Speaker 3: I think at the moment it could be like, you know,
Speaker 3: a little funny, It's like, all right, here we go,
Speaker 3: But it was never like a payback thing or anything.
Speaker 3: You had two couples who obviously weren't in a relationship.
Speaker 3: But I knew what was important for me in the
Speaker 3: deep conversations that I had with both Kathy and Keith.
Speaker 3: It was tough to navigate things at different times, and
Speaker 3: not only for myself. I cared about everyone else who
Speaker 3: was there, and I know for Kat and I having
Speaker 3: Keith and Kathy there was going to be important.
Speaker 2: We confided in them a lot.
Speaker 3: We talked about our family, They talked us down from situations,
Speaker 3: they gave us perspectives. So the reality was it was
Speaker 3: less about Jonathan. It wasn't really even about Jonathan at all.
Speaker 3: It was more about Keith and Kathy and how great
Speaker 3: they were.
Speaker 1: Are you at this point? So we see obviously mid
Speaker 1: season the structure of the show gets switched to a
Speaker 1: love show to a competition show. Yeah, do you have
Speaker 1: any Is there a strategy going on? Because when you
Speaker 1: do eliminate Jonathan, My thinking is that you eliminate Jonathan
Speaker 1: because Keith most likely will eliminate himself the next week
Speaker 1: because he's like keep saying like I want to go home,
Speaker 1: I want to go home. So why not take out
Speaker 1: Jonathan and Leah who are actually pretty strong, keep Keith
Speaker 1: who can potentially eliminate himself the next week? Like, is
Speaker 1: there strategy.
Speaker 3: It wasn't really like, not really strategy. I wanted to
Speaker 3: be around people that I could trust and that I
Speaker 3: liked spending time with.
Speaker 2: You know, Cat and I, we built great relationships.
Speaker 3: People could see us at as a threat, but the
Speaker 3: reality is the strongest couples were going to be there
Speaker 3: at the end. I think everyone kind of knew that
Speaker 3: it was less strategy with us, and you know, I
Speaker 3: just loved having Keith and Kathy around. And I don't
Speaker 3: want to say that it wasn't top of mind, but
Speaker 3: Cat and I believed the entire time that we were
Speaker 3: going to be fine. Right when it push came to
Speaker 3: shove and you had to eliminate some of your close
Speaker 3: friends and some of the really really strong couples, we
Speaker 3: would cross that path. But there wasn't really too much strategy, honestly.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we we see Sean doing all the you know,
Speaker 1: the politician, But even going back a little a little prior,
Speaker 1: Alicia comes in. She seems to be really into you.
Speaker 1: You seem to be you seem to be into her
Speaker 1: a little bit. She ends up taking Sean on the date.
Speaker 1: If she would have asked you, would you have went?
Speaker 3: I mean, I so I had a conversation with Alicia.
Speaker 3: You know, very clearly she talked with Kat and she
Speaker 3: she uh spoke with me, and you know, we kind
Speaker 3: of hit it off in just a natural way, just relatability.
Speaker 3: We had crossover and things that we were involved in,
Speaker 3: and you know, from that night to the next morning,
Speaker 3: you sit and you analyze, like really, you know, you're
Speaker 3: trying to find the perfect match.
Speaker 2: And I was very open with her. I told her
Speaker 2: how I saw her.
Speaker 3: I said, you know, if you if you want to
Speaker 3: take me on a date, uh, you know, I'm open
Speaker 3: to understanding and getting to know more about you. I
Speaker 3: also told her very directly that regardless of a date,
Speaker 3: my roses going to Cat. So you know, she definitely
Speaker 3: knew that we had our conversation. At the end, she said,
Speaker 3: I asked her how it matched up with Kat's conversation,
Speaker 3: and she said, your words and your actions line up perfectly,
Speaker 3: So she knew where I stood.
Speaker 2: You know, it was very very clear.
Speaker 3: And I think the battle that everyone goes through, right,
Speaker 3: it's like you built something with someone and you know
Speaker 3: it's it's been great, and then you have someone else
Speaker 3: come in and it's like wholla. These boxes check in
Speaker 3: an area that I didn't expect, but ultimately, at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, it was it was always Cat,
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, you go through these things
Speaker 3: and the Ali Joe's and some of the early you
Speaker 3: know stages with the kissing booth and stuff, everything brought
Speaker 3: me back closer to Cat each and every time.
Speaker 2: And also that same day.
Speaker 3: I realized very very clearly, it's not about who's coming in.
Speaker 3: It's about getting tighter and getting more clear and having
Speaker 3: more depth and openness with Kat, which is in one
Speaker 3: of the episodes I said very very clearly, you know,
Speaker 3: I just need more and I think that's with the
Speaker 3: comfortability when we talk about triggers, about background.
Speaker 2: You know, I want to know the good.
Speaker 3: I want to know the bad, like I want to
Speaker 3: get into the mud, because if you're going to build
Speaker 3: a life with someone like you got to be willing
Speaker 3: to open up, you know.
Speaker 1: But do you think like you did yourself somewhat of
Speaker 1: a disservice by telling Alicia you would give Kat the rose,
Speaker 1: because if she did take you on the date and
Speaker 1: you guys do really hit it off, maybe maybe that's
Speaker 1: actually your person, you know, did you think about that
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 3: I thought about it, but I knew, you know, I
Speaker 3: really knew, like you know, in our conversation, even how
Speaker 3: I was feeling the next day after Birds of Paradise,
Speaker 3: you know, you're riding a high.
Speaker 2: There's emotions and all this, and you get a little intrigued.
Speaker 3: But the reality was, when you know, waking up that morning,
Speaker 3: I told her, you know, i'd be open. You seemed
Speaker 3: like a great person, you know, to learn more about you.
Speaker 3: I didn't do myself a disservice because I thought it
Speaker 3: was important for her to know exactly where I was at.
Speaker 3: And ultimately, you know, we could have went on the date.
Speaker 3: I didn't want her to waste it on me because
Speaker 3: regardless of how that date went, my rose was going
Speaker 3: to go to Cat. And I think it's just one
Speaker 3: of those moments where you understand, like there's good people
Speaker 3: out there, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2: Connectivity and things.
Speaker 3: But I also understood what Cat and I have been through,
Speaker 3: and we worked through real problems and some conflict and
Speaker 3: some high moments and everything, and I wasn't willing to
Speaker 3: throw that away just because someone knew came in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that is really aligned with what she kind
Speaker 4: of said about your guys' interaction when she came on
Speaker 4: our podcast a few weeks ago. Another thing that she
Speaker 4: mentioned when she came on our podcast was that if
Speaker 4: she had been down there from day one, she thinks
Speaker 4: that because you guys shared so many things naturally in common,
Speaker 4: that there's a chance that you and her would have
Speaker 4: ended up coupling up rather than you and Cat. What
Speaker 4: do you think about that comment?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely had a lot
Speaker 3: of common ground. You know, I have nothing bad to
Speaker 3: say about Alicia. I have nothing bad to say about
Speaker 3: anyone on the show. But the reality is which also
Speaker 3: plays back into that last moment. If Kat, if Kat
Speaker 3: was on that beach, it was going to be Cat
Speaker 3: and I before Alicia came in. You know, I said
Speaker 3: in the morning, I was like, there's no one else here,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm interested in Obviously, Alicia came in that night,
Speaker 3: and I told myself from the beginning, because I've also
Speaker 3: understand that, like you know, which was a challenge for me.
Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta, you know, have your boundaries up.
Speaker 3: You gotta be sterned, but you've got to be open
Speaker 3: and like see people as they are or give them
Speaker 3: a chance because you'll never know what you're going to
Speaker 3: miss out on. And that played a role into uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the conversations that we had, and I always
Speaker 3: spoke to people as I saw them, right, there were a.
Speaker 2: Lot of great people there.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the reality is,
Speaker 3: if Kat was on that beach was it was gonna
Speaker 3: be me and Kat regardless.
Speaker 1: What is your take on the whole Bro Code Jeremy
Speaker 1: Bailey situation mainly not even like Jeremy's actions, just when
Speaker 1: Brian Brian tells Bailey, then everyone seems to get upset
Speaker 1: with Brian. Where where do you stand on all that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I'll be very clear, Brian did
Speaker 3: nothing wrong by telling Bailey. You know, I think there
Speaker 3: was a lot of heat on social media. People you
Speaker 3: know we're talking you know, oh you talk about integrity
Speaker 3: and this and that that had nothing to do with
Speaker 3: Brian speaking to Bailey. That had something to do that
Speaker 3: happened the week before. And also the reality is, like
Speaker 3: Jeremy was my roommate. You know, I talked to Jeremy
Speaker 3: and been like, Bro, you got to you gotta have
Speaker 3: this conversation, and you know, that's something that he said
Speaker 3: he was going to have at the right.
Speaker 2: Time, and no one knew.
Speaker 3: What Brian knew, you know, so the secret rendezvous and
Speaker 3: everything like that, Like people didn't even really know what
Speaker 3: information was out there, right, I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people knew about the call, But Brian did nothing wrong
Speaker 3: in the act of like telling Bailey, and on my stance,
Speaker 3: it was just from conversations that happened before, and I
Speaker 3: think the intent around it rather than the action, if
Speaker 3: that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense because I feel
Speaker 3: like that was strategy, like to get Bailey to go home,
Speaker 3: to get them voted out.
Speaker 2: And I have a very clear reason for that.
Speaker 1: Well who's but who's playing? Like is it obvious who's
Speaker 1: playing a game? And then who's not there for the game?
Speaker 1: And like is there something wrong? Is there something wrong
Speaker 1: with playing? Like I guess like.
Speaker 2: Competition, right, yeah, yeah, so there's there.
Speaker 3: It's a competition, and people are going to handle things,
Speaker 3: you know, the best way that they can. But also
Speaker 3: in a in a competition or in these challenges, you
Speaker 3: have to have allies and allies like if you have those,
Speaker 3: those are built on trust. So if someone doesn't trust you,
Speaker 3: and this is something that I said, if people don't
Speaker 3: trust you, then you're out. That's not even an attack
Speaker 3: and saying that you're doing anything wrong, it's just the
Speaker 3: the environment that you're in, right, And you know, that
Speaker 3: was an interesting situation, uh, and even just hearing the
Speaker 3: response from everyone on social media because as cast members
Speaker 3: we see absolutely everything right the audio and sees what
Speaker 3: they see on camera, and ultimately at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, everyone knows, like and Jeremy knows this, you know,
Speaker 3: it was on him to communicate that he should have
Speaker 3: got it, like, spoken about it much much earlier. And
Speaker 3: I think where a lot of this stuff went was again,
Speaker 3: it wasn't the action. Brian did nothing wrong. Bailey deserved
Speaker 3: to know and he only knew that information nobody else knew.
Speaker 3: But I think where other people were probably a little
Speaker 3: bit confused was the intent. And then you know, even
Speaker 3: watching it back, like you know, that level of compassion
Speaker 3: and patience, you know, they didn't see that with Parisa,
Speaker 3: So it just was you know, interesting that it happened
Speaker 3: in that moment with Bailey.
Speaker 4: Right before we let you go, we have to ask
Speaker 4: you about some of the comments that were made by
Speaker 4: Alicia when she went on the Vile Files podcast. Okay, recently,
Speaker 4: what did you think of some of the information that
Speaker 4: she shared regarding Kat.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have so I'll be super clear.
Speaker 3: I don't really dive into all the stuff going down.
Speaker 3: I just think it's interesting because when you you know,
Speaker 3: you you go on paradise, uh, and you go on
Speaker 3: to find something. Some people go on to get away
Speaker 3: from something. I know people who have been on The
Speaker 3: Bachelor and Bachelorette who wanted to get away from unhealthy relationships.
Speaker 3: But you know, the stuff with that Alicia talked about
Speaker 3: to me, it doesn't really carry that much weight, you know.
Speaker 3: I know, and I'm speaking from my perspective how I act,
Speaker 3: how I feel, and the emotions and the things that
Speaker 3: I've received. You know, you can't have the level of connection, uh,
Speaker 3: in depth and what has developed through this season if
Speaker 3: you're not present and you're not all in on that person, right,
Speaker 3: So personally, like you know, some.
Speaker 2: Of the things don't really line up.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day too, like I'm
Speaker 3: grown and have conversations. It didn't you know, make me
Speaker 3: think twice about anything, And I don't know, I think
Speaker 3: it's just like it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: It's not that deep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you would it bother you if she was
Speaker 1: talking like loosely talking to someone prior? Because that what
Speaker 1: did Alicia say that she had like a boyfriend or something.
Speaker 4: Alicia said that kat snucking an iPad into Paradise and
Speaker 4: she was communicating with her boyfriend at the time, who
Speaker 4: she was in an active relationship with while filming Paradise,
Speaker 4: and that she was writing messages on her body to
Speaker 4: hopefully be caught on camera as like subliminal messages.
Speaker 1: Those are those are those are bold accusation.
Speaker 2: Her tattoos and self tanner, her.
Speaker 4: Tattoos and self tanner.
Speaker 2: So if.
Speaker 1: That, if everything she said was true and now, like
Speaker 1: we have no idea if today is this is the
Speaker 1: first time I'm hearing about it, would would that be
Speaker 1: like a deal breaker for you? Or would you? Would
Speaker 1: you be like, hey, like she maybe maybe she was
Speaker 1: talking to someone prior to show, but then we actually
Speaker 1: like fell in love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, like you go on Paradise, you don't
Speaker 3: know if you're going to stay for a day a
Speaker 3: week the entire time. I didn't know anything about anything
Speaker 3: before I walked in, right, So whatever I built, I
Speaker 3: was just focused on the present and the reality is
Speaker 3: like if you build it, like, yeah, you build something strong,
Speaker 3: none of the other stuff matters. So for me, it's
Speaker 3: kind of like my approach even with conflict or if
Speaker 3: I felt like people were doing stuff behind my back
Speaker 3: on the ship, like dude, I like, stuff doesn't affect me, right.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're.
Speaker 3: Interested in someone and you're trying to build a relationship,
Speaker 3: you have conversations, you communicate, Uh, I understand what was
Speaker 3: built in the moments, and then you know, you just
Speaker 3: take it from there.
Speaker 2: So and maybe that's just a level of security.
Speaker 3: I have, Like, you know, all I can do is
Speaker 3: love and treat someone with the most respect possible, and
Speaker 3: if they want to be with me, they want to
Speaker 3: be with me.
Speaker 2: If not, I can't control that. But I don't. I've
Speaker 2: never even thought about.
Speaker 3: People's stuff before Paradise because I just didn't think it
Speaker 3: was that relevant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she didn't know you before Paradise. I think
Speaker 1: that's a healthy, healthy outlook.
Speaker 4: Do you want to confirm or deny any of Alicia's claims?
Speaker 2: I mean I can't.
Speaker 5: I can confirm, come on, dale deny, It's it's not
Speaker 5: something I can confirm or deny, because yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I also, I just don't think it's that deep. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe that's just me like again being secure with it.
Speaker 3: I just I don't really care. All I care about
Speaker 3: is what you know, I built, what we built, and
Speaker 3: from there, like nothing else matters, because if it was.
Speaker 2: That deep, you know, we wouldn't have even gotten to
Speaker 2: that point. Right. She debit it.
Speaker 1: She debited it before before the season started.
Speaker 3: Debedit it, edit it. Yeah, and that's going to be
Speaker 3: a thing. I'll own that. I've been saying that for
Speaker 3: like ten years, and in locker room that's where I
Speaker 3: heard it so many of my New York friends.
Speaker 2: And it's not that hard to put together. Right, like
Speaker 2: I ended it, it ceases to exist. It's dead, it's done.
Speaker 4: I was following along. I was following along with the dead.
Speaker 1: Edits a credit debit situation.
Speaker 2: That's dude.
Speaker 3: Kat always thought everyone was speaking in like code, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, Cat, I you must have bad hearing, because,
Speaker 3: like you know, some of these things are are pretty clear. No,
Speaker 3: it's it was a fun moment again Lil Rose flowing.
Speaker 3: But again, you know, and I'll say this, I'll never
Speaker 3: apology like I'll never you know, trying to shy away
Speaker 3: from something that happened. All you can do is learn
Speaker 3: from it, grow from it. But at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, like people hang on to certain things. But
Speaker 3: if you actually watch the season, there's so much growth,
Speaker 3: there's so much humor.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of really great moments.
Speaker 3: And I think that people watch this show and they
Speaker 3: fail to realize that, Like, people are in intense situations, right,
Speaker 3: they're trying to find their person, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of people who are putting on a show, right. But
Speaker 3: I told myself, I'm going to be imperfect. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm going to have some fun. If I make mistakes,
Speaker 3: that's great, that's a beauty because that's real, that's being
Speaker 3: a human being. And I think what people have seen
Speaker 3: is an honest look at like what most people have
Speaker 3: dealt with in relationships.
Speaker 2: You know, someone can say, oh, you have.
Speaker 3: A red flag. News flash, everyone on the cast has
Speaker 3: a few red flags. Everyone watching the show has had
Speaker 3: red flags, but there's a lot more green, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's just like it was really fun to see
Speaker 3: an experience, like a real growth arc within a relationship
Speaker 3: that was honest about triggers and tough moments and the
Speaker 3: whole nine yards and ultimately, it's not just how you start,
Speaker 3: it's how you finish.
Speaker 1: Right Yeah, Yeah, I think that's a good place to
Speaker 1: end this episode. Dale, Thank you so much for taking
Speaker 1: the time and hanging out with us. Always always a pleasure.
Speaker 4: We're excited to see how your journey unfolds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get the popcorn, And to our listeners, thank you
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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. Bye.