1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Beat your Happy Hour. I'm 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Joe and we are here today with our guest Dale 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: moss Dale. Welcome back to the podcast. 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 2: Let's set up. I'm back in the building. 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Welcome you're back. We got a lot to talk about. 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: Last time you were here, it was pre season, so 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: now we're we're past midway, so we're gonna kind of 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: try to cover everything. Also, near the end of the podcast, 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: we are going to have to bring up the fact 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: that Alicia was on our podcast and mentioned that if 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: she was there at the beginning, you guys would be 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: a couple. So I want to ask you about that, 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: So don't let me forget all right, all right, So 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: off the jump, you are what you're You come like 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: a day later or is it just like the afternoon 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: later when you get to Paradises. 17 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: I came. 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: I came a day later, so everyone was in Yeah, 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: and I was a late rival with uh right after 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: the first group. 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: Did you realize did you know did you pick up 22 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: on the fact that you were like, aha, commodity coming 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: in and like when you got to the beach, the 24 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: guys were nervous and all the girls were like, Dal's. 25 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: Here honestly because I knew absolutely nobody going in. 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: I was familiar with Justin. 27 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: But for me, I was just walking in there and 28 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 3: just kind of, you know, taking everything in as it came. 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: You know. 30 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: I realized that a little bit more watching it back, 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: But honestly, I was a little nervous because it was 32 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: like that moment, like who you're stepping on the beach, 33 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: and that's a place I didn't think I'd be back, 34 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: but it was, you know, once I got to meet everyone, 35 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: I felt very, very comfortable, and I told myself going in, 36 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 3: you know, I'm. 37 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: Gonna be open, I'm gonna have fun. 38 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: It was honestly a big step for me just because 39 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: that environment where there's multiple people you're competing or you know, 40 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: trying to find the right match in the mix of 41 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: you know, I think it was like twenty people there 42 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: is definitely out of the norm. 43 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: For me, but it was. It was a great experience. 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 3: I I you know, I loved, you know, loved doing 45 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: it obviously, you know, fast forward, I still. 46 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: Say it was one of the best experiences of my life. 47 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: So it started off well, initially, who caught your eye? 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: And you know, at the beginning, I mean I was 49 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: just trying to talk and communicate with people and just 50 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: get a feel for them. You know, there's obviously a 51 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: lot of attractive people on the beach, but for me, 52 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: it's really about like how how you connect? 53 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: You know. 54 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 3: I never expected to find someone who was perfect in 55 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: every sense. I just wanted to see, you know, who 56 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: had depth, who had growth. And I initially started talking 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: to Zoe and she was just easy to talk to 58 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: and chill with. Vibe also being in New York, a 59 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: lot of similarities, and I think that was one thing 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: that I was looking for, is how is the alignment? 61 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: Because you know, love is the ultimate right. You want 62 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: to build something strong with somebody. But I also know that, 63 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 3: you know, in previous relationships, the alignment wasn't always there 64 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 3: and it caused a lot of difficulties. So obviously I 65 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: talked to Zoe, Alex Bailey, you know, and then Kat. 66 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 3: We didn't really talk much on the beach. It took 67 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 3: some time until we actually had just a moment, you know, 68 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: before I or once I got the date card to 69 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: get to know Kat, which she's hilarious. So I didn't 70 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: have one person who I was focused on. I was 71 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: just trying to meet people and be open and have 72 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: zero preconceived notions. 73 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: As we see you end up like choosing or spending 74 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: most of your time with Kat. What was it about 75 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: Zoe that didn't really work? Because we see as we 76 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: watch it, we see that she's really into you. You 77 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: said you talked to her first, she lives in New York. 78 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: Where was was there a disconnect? 79 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: I wouldn't even say there was ever a disconnect with anyone. 80 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: I took each interaction as its own moment, and I 81 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: thought it was important to give people that moment and 82 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: just take it as it is. But ultimately, it was 83 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: less about Zoe. It was more about Cat. You know, 84 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: Cat and I connected, and I definitely had my guard 85 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: up early on. But you know, one of the things 86 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: that I loved about Cat so much is. 87 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: That she was going to be who she was going 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: to be regardless. 89 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: And I think there's a lot of times and it 90 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: came up sometimes during the season, you know, people would 91 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: talk about her past experience on Paradise, which i'd never watched. 92 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: I still hadn't, you know, to this day. But I 93 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: think there's this beauty and someone just being who they are. 94 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: They don't have to be perfect they can be messy 95 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: at times, and I feel like for a lot of 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: people and I hear that all the time, I'm is like, 97 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: if someone's got a big personality or they're emotional, a 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: lot of times they get put into this box where 99 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: people try to almost limit it right, like they're too much. 100 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: But for me, if someone can express themselves and have 101 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: fun and uh, you know, just be unapologetically themselves, that's 102 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 3: extremely attractive to me. 103 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: Do you have a type and if so, would you 104 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 4: say Cat is your typical type of women that you date, 105 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 4: either physically or her personality. 106 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I have a type. You know, I've 107 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: dated every race, you know, all backgrounds. Cat, I would 108 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: say is typically not my type. To be honest, you know, 109 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 3: some of my previous relationships, my last three, you know, 110 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: where my age or older. You know, they were all entrepreneurs, 111 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 3: and they they were a different mix with each person 112 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: that I'd been with. So Kat was definitely unique in 113 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: that sense. But ultimately, you know, one of the through 114 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: lines whoever I've been with and whoever I've dated, We're 115 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: able to laugh together, We're able to have fun, you know, 116 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 3: and I think we're able to move through things pretty quickly, 117 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: and at the core of it, it's it's really just 118 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: you know, if values are the same, and then you know, 119 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: they just have a good heart and a kind spirit. 120 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: So a little different than I've dated in the past. 121 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: But again, you know, I was really happy with how 122 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: the Paradise experience started off, and you know, have so 123 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 3: much love and respect for Cat. 124 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: So jumping ahead and we'll come back, but I just 125 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: want to just because we're kind of on the topic 126 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: of if she's your type or not. Sean mentions I 127 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: think in this recent episode, like Dell would never take 128 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: you serious after the show. It seems kind of out 129 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: of left field for him even to say that. But 130 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: why do you think he said that? 131 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I think Sean was just worked up, right, Yeah, 132 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: I think he was hurt based on some of the 133 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 3: things that you know, he perceived or whatever. 134 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 2: But ultimately, like I don't invest time in. 135 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: People that I don't care about, you know, and I think, 136 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: like you know, through the season, you realize that there's 137 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: moments right where there could be some conflict or we 138 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: have triggers and things like that, But the reality is, 139 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: you know, time is valuable. I've got a lot going 140 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: on I respect what people have going on in their life, 141 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: and I don't take connection in those things very lightly. 142 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: So I think that just came from a place of 143 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: probably frustration and hurt because at the end of the day, 144 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: like I walked on the beach also saying if someone 145 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: wasn't here for me, I was fine leaving on my 146 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: own terms. 147 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: I'm very secure on my own. You know. 148 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: I want to build a life. I want to have 149 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: a relationship, I want to get married, I want to 150 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: have kids. But I'm not pressed on those things. So 151 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: anything that I do or any time that I spend 152 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: with someone, it's very intentional and I'm doing it because 153 00:07:59,480 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: I want to. 154 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: So got it. 155 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 4: We see that you and Kat are building like a 156 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: great foundation cheer relationship. The first bump in the road 157 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: that you guys have is with the appearance of Ali 158 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 4: Joe and that that. 159 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: Was as is probably the biggest phrase of the season. 160 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: Yes, as we see on your T shirt today, Oh is. 161 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: That what your is that what your T shirt says? 162 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to have a little fun with it, 163 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: right Like in those moments, it's it's intense, and you know, 164 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: I don't shy away from anything that happened on the show. Right, Like, 165 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: I went there, I was having fun. The reality is, though, 166 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: like there was never a bad intent. But one thing 167 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 3: that I realized and I think everyone does, right, you 168 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: have these ideas of how you're going to move through 169 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: situations and uh, you know, sometimes an intense environment. One 170 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: thing that most people don't realize and I had to realize, 171 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 3: is you think you have it all worked out, you 172 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: work through past relationships and triggers, but something in sometimes 173 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 3: times they come up, you know. And that was definitely 174 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: a moment where kind of out of left field, extremely uncharacteristic. 175 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 2: Like my sister was like, what the hell is that, 176 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: I've never seen you act like that. 177 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 3: I was like, yo, I'm with you there. But in 178 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 3: the moment and in real time, it wasn't nearly as 179 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: big of a thing. Right, moved through it really quickly. 180 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, you know, those things happen. There's 181 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 3: sometimes a little conflict, but no relationship is perfect. 182 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: And the reality is, as. 183 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: People have seen through the season, Kat and I navigated 184 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: real things in real time, and you know, I think 185 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: that's what makes the story like so so great. 186 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: One thing when Cat came on this podcast, the one 187 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: thing she said that was like the biggest trigger for 188 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: her was you said it was like near the end 189 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: of it was after the Row ceremony where you're like, 190 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: we just grew up in differently or we came from 191 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: we come from different backgrounds. Why did you say that? 192 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: At the time, I guess, like, what did you mean 193 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: by that? 194 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my my take on that had nothing 195 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: to do with her background or anything as far as 196 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: in a negative light. It was pretty clear cut and dry, right, like, Yeah, 197 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: I think our approach to our triggers our relationships things 198 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 3: are a little bit different. 199 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: You know. 200 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: I grew up in a house with my mom and 201 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: my four sisters. My dad wasn't in the picture that much, 202 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: you know, and they were you know, thick skin. Stuff 203 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: didn't really affect them that much. But I was always 204 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 3: told as much as possible, you know, even though we're 205 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: on a reality show, keep your relationship very tight, keep 206 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 3: it private, because you know, if people get into it, 207 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: they'll they'll try to tear down a good thing. Also, 208 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: it was just in a simple way, you know, I 209 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 3: grew up in in just a different space with Yea, 210 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: So it was never it was never anything as like 211 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: a jab And I think she took that in that way, 212 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: and we talked about that not only on the show, 213 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: you know, like in that moment, but later on in 214 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 3: the show, because that was something that she had never 215 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: shared and she was always worried about her upbringing and 216 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: how that could be used against her. And you know, 217 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: for me, on the outside, people would think I had 218 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: a traumatic, a very tough upbringing. You know, I've been isolated. 219 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: I couldn't stay at friends' houses because of biracial marriage. 220 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: I didn't know my mom's side because of biracial marriage, 221 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: racial profiling, all those things. Right, we were poor. But 222 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: the reality is, like, you know, I've been through the mud, 223 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: and one thing I would never judge anyone for is 224 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: their background. I think that's something that makes us so beautiful. 225 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: And I'll never apologize for how I grew up my 226 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 3: family or things that happened, because it's made me who 227 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 3: I am today. So I think that was just again, 228 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: it was just trigger, right, you know, something that's delivered 229 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 3: and it lands, you know in a different way. But 230 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: there was no intent, ill intent or anything like that. Yeah, 231 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: I was just saying, like as kind of clear cut 232 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 3: and dry, we just have different backgrounds and sometimes our 233 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: perspectives are going to be a little bit different. 234 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 4: Is there anything you issue done differently in regards to 235 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 4: the situation with Ali Joe and Kat? 236 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the biggest thing, you know, I'm 237 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: patient right too much rose. 238 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: That was the one time we actually clocked if we 239 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: were watching, like he's drinking rose right now? 240 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: These hit for sure. 241 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: And the thing is, in that situation, I was like 242 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: sitting down, like I thought we were going to have 243 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: a really deep emotional talk about how we've moved past things, 244 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: like you know that moment where you guys, you really 245 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: get like this because we'd spend a day and a 246 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: half flee together after the whole Ali Joe situation. So 247 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: you know, on my side, I would say definitely, you know, 248 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: just been more patient, you know, even if a trigger 249 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: had occurred, you know, probably just taking some time to 250 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: separate in space, which is normally what I do, right, 251 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: you know, It's it's hard to get away from all 252 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: the cameras and stuff following you around when you're trying 253 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: to cool down. And then I think on the other side, 254 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: you know, on the Ali Joe situation, it wasn't even 255 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: something that really sat and held wait because I took 256 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: that as like its own moment, its own situation. We 257 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: had known each other for four days. You have someone 258 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: who's opening up and you know, putting themselves out there. 259 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: But I think, like, you know, I guess it's just 260 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: a communication thing there, right, understanding what Cat expects in 261 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: that moment at that time, and then you know the 262 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: reality as well. 263 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: And this is something I've had to learn. 264 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: Sometimes people are going to express emotions and it's not personal, right. 265 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's so easy for us to take that as 266 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: personal when they're really just expressing where they're at and 267 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: you know what they're feeling in that moment. So again, 268 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: uncharacteristic moment. I don't shy away from it in any 269 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: any way, shape or form. You know, Kat handled herself, 270 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: you know, remarkably she did the whole season. And again, 271 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: it was just one of those moments early on that 272 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: we moved past, you know, pretty quickly. 273 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: And then yeah, it's just you're learning new things with 274 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: new people. 275 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like where you guys are at 276 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: now with your relationship, but around this time, what is 277 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: the deal with you and Jonathan? Are you friends? 278 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: Are you just? 279 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 280 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: I would I think it's funny because the whole Jonathan thing, 281 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: like I didn't have a bad bone, I had no 282 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 3: like I had no qualms with anybody on the show. 283 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: Right, So when you. 284 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: Watch it back, you see all these things with Jonathan, 285 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: and yeah, you know, it was a little annoying and whatever, but. 286 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: It didn't really affect me. 287 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: Like I was never worried about Jonathan and his actions. 288 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: All I could do is like, you know, how I 289 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: showed up with kat. I had love and respect from 290 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: everyone in the house. And I think there there was 291 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: a time where I don't know if it like everyone 292 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: starts throwing around this bro code thing. I don't know 293 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: how the bro code thing got so big. But yeah, 294 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: Jonathan and I thought were cool. I didn't talk too 295 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: much about my personal stuff with him personally, I don't 296 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: think a lot of people people did. But again, you're 297 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: navigating an environment that you're trying to find the right match. 298 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: You know, there was obviously interests early on and from there, like, 299 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: all I can control is how I handle things, so 300 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: people are gonna do what they're gonna do. I wasn't 301 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: losing sleep over it. It wasn't really a big thing, 302 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: and you know, if there was something to address. I 303 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: did it the whole season. I went right up to 304 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: the person and addressed it. 305 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 4: So what you see is what you get in your im. 306 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 4: We see that you end up having the power this 307 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: week to break the tie for the vote on who's 308 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 4: going to go home? It is between Jonathan and Layah 309 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: or Keith and Kathy. And you explained that you get 310 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 4: went with Jonathan and Layah because Jonathan had kind of 311 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 4: created a little bit of turmoil between you and Cat, 312 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 4: so it made it an easy decision. Do you want 313 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 4: to just provide a little bit more insight into that decision? 314 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 4: And if you say that, I mean. 315 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: My decision entirely was in regards to Keith and guidance 316 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: and support for the rest of the time. 317 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: Keith and Kathy. 318 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: I had an amazing relationship with them, and I understand, 319 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: you know, some of the things early on with Jonathan and. 320 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: But that didn't really play into my decision. 321 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: I think at the moment it could be like, you know, 322 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 3: a little funny, It's like, all right, here we go, 323 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: But it was never like a payback thing or anything. 324 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 3: You had two couples who obviously weren't in a relationship. 325 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: But I knew what was important for me in the 326 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: deep conversations that I had with both Kathy and Keith. 327 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 3: It was tough to navigate things at different times, and 328 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: not only for myself. I cared about everyone else who 329 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: was there, and I know for Kat and I having 330 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 3: Keith and Kathy there was going to be important. 331 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 2: We confided in them a lot. 332 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 3: We talked about our family, They talked us down from situations, 333 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 3: they gave us perspectives. So the reality was it was 334 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 3: less about Jonathan. It wasn't really even about Jonathan at all. 335 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 3: It was more about Keith and Kathy and how great 336 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: they were. 337 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: Are you at this point? So we see obviously mid 338 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: season the structure of the show gets switched to a 339 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: love show to a competition show. Yeah, do you have 340 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: any Is there a strategy going on? Because when you 341 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: do eliminate Jonathan, My thinking is that you eliminate Jonathan 342 00:17:54,800 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: because Keith most likely will eliminate himself the next week 343 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: because he's like keep saying like I want to go home, 344 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: I want to go home. So why not take out 345 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: Jonathan and Leah who are actually pretty strong, keep Keith 346 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: who can potentially eliminate himself the next week? Like, is 347 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 1: there strategy. 348 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 3: It wasn't really like, not really strategy. I wanted to 349 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: be around people that I could trust and that I 350 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 3: liked spending time with. 351 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 2: You know, Cat and I, we built great relationships. 352 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 3: People could see us at as a threat, but the 353 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: reality is the strongest couples were going to be there 354 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: at the end. I think everyone kind of knew that 355 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 3: it was less strategy with us, and you know, I 356 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 3: just loved having Keith and Kathy around. And I don't 357 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 3: want to say that it wasn't top of mind, but 358 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: Cat and I believed the entire time that we were 359 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 3: going to be fine. Right when it push came to 360 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: shove and you had to eliminate some of your close 361 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: friends and some of the really really strong couples, we 362 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: would cross that path. But there wasn't really too much strategy, honestly. 363 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we we see Sean doing all the you know, 364 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: the politician, But even going back a little a little prior, 365 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: Alicia comes in. She seems to be really into you. 366 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: You seem to be you seem to be into her 367 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. She ends up taking Sean on the date. 368 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: If she would have asked you, would you have went? 369 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I so I had a conversation with Alicia. 370 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 3: You know, very clearly she talked with Kat and she 371 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: she uh spoke with me, and you know, we kind 372 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: of hit it off in just a natural way, just relatability. 373 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 3: We had crossover and things that we were involved in, 374 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: and you know, from that night to the next morning, 375 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 3: you sit and you analyze, like really, you know, you're 376 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 3: trying to find the perfect match. 377 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 2: And I was very open with her. I told her 378 00:19:59,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: how I saw her. 379 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: I said, you know, if you if you want to 380 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 3: take me on a date, uh, you know, I'm open 381 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 3: to understanding and getting to know more about you. I 382 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: also told her very directly that regardless of a date, 383 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: my roses going to Cat. So you know, she definitely 384 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: knew that we had our conversation. At the end, she said, 385 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: I asked her how it matched up with Kat's conversation, 386 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: and she said, your words and your actions line up perfectly, 387 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 3: So she knew where I stood. 388 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: You know, it was very very clear. 389 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: And I think the battle that everyone goes through, right, 390 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 3: it's like you built something with someone and you know 391 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: it's it's been great, and then you have someone else 392 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 3: come in and it's like wholla. These boxes check in 393 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 3: an area that I didn't expect, but ultimately, at the 394 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 3: end of the day, it was it was always Cat, 395 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 3: and I think, you know, you go through these things 396 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 3: and the Ali Joe's and some of the early you 397 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: know stages with the kissing booth and stuff, everything brought 398 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: me back closer to Cat each and every time. 399 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 2: And also that same day. 400 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 3: I realized very very clearly, it's not about who's coming in. 401 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 3: It's about getting tighter and getting more clear and having 402 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 3: more depth and openness with Kat, which is in one 403 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 3: of the episodes I said very very clearly, you know, 404 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 3: I just need more and I think that's with the 405 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: comfortability when we talk about triggers, about background. 406 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 2: You know, I want to know the good. 407 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 3: I want to know the bad, like I want to 408 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 3: get into the mud, because if you're going to build 409 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: a life with someone like you got to be willing 410 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: to open up, you know. 411 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: But do you think like you did yourself somewhat of 412 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: a disservice by telling Alicia you would give Kat the rose, 413 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: because if she did take you on the date and 414 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: you guys do really hit it off, maybe maybe that's 415 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: actually your person, you know, did you think about that 416 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: at all. 417 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: I thought about it, but I knew, you know, I 418 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: really knew, like you know, in our conversation, even how 419 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: I was feeling the next day after Birds of Paradise, 420 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 3: you know, you're riding a high. 421 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: There's emotions and all this, and you get a little intrigued. 422 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: But the reality was, when you know, waking up that morning, 423 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 3: I told her, you know, i'd be open. You seemed 424 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 3: like a great person, you know, to learn more about you. 425 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 3: I didn't do myself a disservice because I thought it 426 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 3: was important for her to know exactly where I was at. 427 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: And ultimately, you know, we could have went on the date. 428 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: I didn't want her to waste it on me because 429 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: regardless of how that date went, my rose was going 430 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: to go to Cat. And I think it's just one 431 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 3: of those moments where you understand, like there's good people 432 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: out there, there's a lot of. 433 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: Connectivity and things. 434 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: But I also understood what Cat and I have been through, 435 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 3: and we worked through real problems and some conflict and 436 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: some high moments and everything, and I wasn't willing to 437 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 3: throw that away just because someone knew came in. 438 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that is really aligned with what she kind 439 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 4: of said about your guys' interaction when she came on 440 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 4: our podcast a few weeks ago. Another thing that she 441 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 4: mentioned when she came on our podcast was that if 442 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 4: she had been down there from day one, she thinks 443 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 4: that because you guys shared so many things naturally in common, 444 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 4: that there's a chance that you and her would have 445 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 4: ended up coupling up rather than you and Cat. What 446 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: do you think about that comment? 447 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely had a lot 448 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 3: of common ground. You know, I have nothing bad to 449 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 3: say about Alicia. I have nothing bad to say about 450 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: anyone on the show. But the reality is which also 451 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 3: plays back into that last moment. If Kat, if Kat 452 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: was on that beach, it was going to be Cat 453 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: and I before Alicia came in. You know, I said 454 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: in the morning, I was like, there's no one else here, 455 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 3: you know, I'm interested in Obviously, Alicia came in that night, 456 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: and I told myself from the beginning, because I've also 457 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: understand that, like you know, which was a challenge for me. 458 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta, you know, have your boundaries up. 459 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 3: You gotta be sterned, but you've got to be open 460 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 3: and like see people as they are or give them 461 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: a chance because you'll never know what you're going to 462 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 3: miss out on. And that played a role into uh, 463 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: you know, the conversations that we had, and I always 464 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: spoke to people as I saw them, right, there were a. 465 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: Lot of great people there. 466 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the reality is, 467 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: if Kat was on that beach was it was gonna 468 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 3: be me and Kat regardless. 469 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: What is your take on the whole Bro Code Jeremy 470 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: Bailey situation mainly not even like Jeremy's actions, just when 471 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: Brian Brian tells Bailey, then everyone seems to get upset 472 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: with Brian. Where where do you stand on all that? 473 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I'll be very clear, Brian did 474 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: nothing wrong by telling Bailey. You know, I think there 475 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: was a lot of heat on social media. People you 476 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: know we're talking you know, oh you talk about integrity 477 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 3: and this and that that had nothing to do with 478 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 3: Brian speaking to Bailey. That had something to do that 479 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: happened the week before. And also the reality is, like 480 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 3: Jeremy was my roommate. You know, I talked to Jeremy 481 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 3: and been like, Bro, you got to you gotta have 482 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: this conversation, and you know, that's something that he said 483 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 3: he was going to have at the right. 484 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 2: Time, and no one knew. 485 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 3: What Brian knew, you know, so the secret rendezvous and 486 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 3: everything like that, Like people didn't even really know what 487 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: information was out there, right, I think a lot of 488 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 3: people knew about the call, But Brian did nothing wrong 489 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: in the act of like telling Bailey, and on my stance, 490 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 3: it was just from conversations that happened before, and I 491 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: think the intent around it rather than the action, if 492 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense because I feel 493 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: like that was strategy, like to get Bailey to go home, 494 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: to get them voted out. 495 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: And I have a very clear reason for that. 496 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: Well who's but who's playing? Like is it obvious who's 497 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: playing a game? And then who's not there for the game? 498 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: And like is there something wrong? Is there something wrong 499 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: with playing? Like I guess like. 500 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 2: Competition, right, yeah, yeah, so there's there. 501 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 3: It's a competition, and people are going to handle things, 502 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: you know, the best way that they can. But also 503 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 3: in a in a competition or in these challenges, you 504 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: have to have allies and allies like if you have those, 505 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 3: those are built on trust. So if someone doesn't trust you, 506 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 3: and this is something that I said, if people don't 507 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: trust you, then you're out. That's not even an attack 508 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 3: and saying that you're doing anything wrong, it's just the 509 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: the environment that you're in, right, And you know, that 510 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: was an interesting situation, uh, and even just hearing the 511 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 3: response from everyone on social media because as cast members 512 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 3: we see absolutely everything right the audio and sees what 513 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: they see on camera, and ultimately at the end of 514 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 3: the day, everyone knows, like and Jeremy knows this, you know, 515 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 3: it was on him to communicate that he should have 516 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 3: got it, like, spoken about it much much earlier. And 517 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: I think where a lot of this stuff went was again, 518 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,959 Speaker 3: it wasn't the action. Brian did nothing wrong. Bailey deserved 519 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: to know and he only knew that information nobody else knew. 520 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: But I think where other people were probably a little 521 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: bit confused was the intent. And then you know, even 522 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: watching it back, like you know, that level of compassion 523 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: and patience, you know, they didn't see that with Parisa, 524 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: So it just was you know, interesting that it happened 525 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: in that moment with Bailey. 526 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 4: Right before we let you go, we have to ask 527 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 4: you about some of the comments that were made by 528 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 4: Alicia when she went on the Vile Files podcast. Okay, recently, 529 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 4: what did you think of some of the information that 530 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 4: she shared regarding Kat. 531 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: I mean, I have so I'll be super clear. 532 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 3: I don't really dive into all the stuff going down. 533 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 3: I just think it's interesting because when you you know, 534 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 3: you you go on paradise, uh, and you go on 535 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 3: to find something. Some people go on to get away 536 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 3: from something. I know people who have been on The 537 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: Bachelor and Bachelorette who wanted to get away from unhealthy relationships. 538 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 3: But you know, the stuff with that Alicia talked about 539 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: to me, it doesn't really carry that much weight, you know. 540 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: I know, and I'm speaking from my perspective how I act, 541 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: how I feel, and the emotions and the things that 542 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 3: I've received. You know, you can't have the level of connection, uh, 543 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: in depth and what has developed through this season if 544 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: you're not present and you're not all in on that person, right, 545 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 3: So personally, like you know, some. 546 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: Of the things don't really line up. 547 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day too, like I'm 548 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: grown and have conversations. It didn't you know, make me 549 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: think twice about anything, And I don't know, I think 550 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 3: it's just like it's not that big of a deal. 551 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: It's not that deep. 552 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, would you would it bother you if she was 553 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: talking like loosely talking to someone prior? Because that what 554 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: did Alicia say that she had like a boyfriend or something. 555 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 4: Alicia said that kat snucking an iPad into Paradise and 556 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 4: she was communicating with her boyfriend at the time, who 557 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 4: she was in an active relationship with while filming Paradise, 558 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 4: and that she was writing messages on her body to 559 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 4: hopefully be caught on camera as like subliminal messages. 560 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: Those are those are those are bold accusation. 561 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 2: Her tattoos and self tanner, her. 562 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 4: Tattoos and self tanner. 563 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: So if. 564 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: That, if everything she said was true and now, like 565 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: we have no idea if today is this is the 566 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: first time I'm hearing about it, would would that be 567 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: like a deal breaker for you? Or would you? Would 568 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: you be like, hey, like she maybe maybe she was 569 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: talking to someone prior to show, but then we actually 570 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: like fell in love. 571 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, like you go on Paradise, you don't 572 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 3: know if you're going to stay for a day a 573 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 3: week the entire time. I didn't know anything about anything 574 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 3: before I walked in, right, So whatever I built, I 575 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: was just focused on the present and the reality is 576 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: like if you build it, like, yeah, you build something strong, 577 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 3: none of the other stuff matters. So for me, it's 578 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: kind of like my approach even with conflict or if 579 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 3: I felt like people were doing stuff behind my back 580 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: on the ship, like dude, I like, stuff doesn't affect me, right. 581 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: You know, if you're. 582 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: Interested in someone and you're trying to build a relationship, 583 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: you have conversations, you communicate, Uh, I understand what was 584 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: built in the moments, and then you know, you just 585 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: take it from there. 586 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: So and maybe that's just a level of security. 587 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: I have, Like, you know, all I can do is 588 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: love and treat someone with the most respect possible, and 589 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 3: if they want to be with me, they want to 590 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 3: be with me. 591 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: If not, I can't control that. But I don't. I've 592 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: never even thought about. 593 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: People's stuff before Paradise because I just didn't think it 594 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 3: was that relevant. 595 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she didn't know you before Paradise. I think 596 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: that's a healthy, healthy outlook. 597 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 4: Do you want to confirm or deny any of Alicia's claims? 598 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: I mean I can't. 599 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 5: I can confirm, come on, dale deny, It's it's not 600 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 5: something I can confirm or deny, because yeah, I don't know. 601 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 3: I also, I just don't think it's that deep. You know, 602 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: maybe that's just me like again being secure with it. 603 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 3: I just I don't really care. All I care about 604 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 3: is what you know, I built, what we built, and 605 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 3: from there, like nothing else matters, because if it was. 606 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: That deep, you know, we wouldn't have even gotten to 607 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: that point. Right. She debit it. 608 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: She debited it before before the season started. 609 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 3: Debedit it, edit it. Yeah, and that's going to be 610 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 3: a thing. I'll own that. I've been saying that for 611 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 3: like ten years, and in locker room that's where I 612 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 3: heard it so many of my New York friends. 613 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: And it's not that hard to put together. Right, like 614 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: I ended it, it ceases to exist. It's dead, it's done. 615 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 4: I was following along. I was following along with the dead. 616 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: Edits a credit debit situation. 617 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: That's dude. 618 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 3: Kat always thought everyone was speaking in like code, and 619 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, Cat, I you must have bad hearing, because, 620 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 3: like you know, some of these things are are pretty clear. No, 621 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: it's it was a fun moment again Lil Rose flowing. 622 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 3: But again, you know, and I'll say this, I'll never 623 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: apology like I'll never you know, trying to shy away 624 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 3: from something that happened. All you can do is learn 625 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 3: from it, grow from it. But at the end of 626 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: the day, like people hang on to certain things. But 627 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 3: if you actually watch the season, there's so much growth, 628 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 3: there's so much humor. 629 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: There's a lot of really great moments. 630 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 3: And I think that people watch this show and they 631 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: fail to realize that, Like, people are in intense situations, right, 632 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 3: they're trying to find their person, and there's a lot 633 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 3: of people who are putting on a show, right. But 634 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 3: I told myself, I'm going to be imperfect. You know, 635 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: I'm going to have some fun. If I make mistakes, 636 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 3: that's great, that's a beauty because that's real, that's being 637 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 3: a human being. And I think what people have seen 638 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: is an honest look at like what most people have 639 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 3: dealt with in relationships. 640 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: You know, someone can say, oh, you have. 641 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 3: A red flag. News flash, everyone on the cast has 642 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 3: a few red flags. Everyone watching the show has had 643 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: red flags, but there's a lot more green, and you know, 644 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 3: it's it's just like it was really fun to see 645 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 3: an experience, like a real growth arc within a relationship 646 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 3: that was honest about triggers and tough moments and the 647 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,479 Speaker 3: whole nine yards and ultimately, it's not just how you start, 648 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: it's how you finish. 649 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: Right Yeah, Yeah, I think that's a good place to 650 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: end this episode. Dale, Thank you so much for taking 651 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: the time and hanging out with us. Always always a pleasure. 652 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 4: We're excited to see how your journey unfolds. 653 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, get the popcorn, And to our listeners, thank you 654 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: guys for tuning in on the Better Happy Hour. Make 655 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: sure you download and subscribe to the podcast. 656 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 4: We will have new and exclusive interviews every single week. 657 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. Bye.