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Speaker 1: Hey, Casey, how's it going.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Millie. I'm doing good. How are you?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 2: Things?

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Speaker 1: Lots lots of stuff happening. The Atlanta Film Festival is

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Speaker 1: for like film festivals, because I used to do the

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Speaker 1: TCM Film Festival in La every year.

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Speaker 2: Yes, famously, the only time we've ever seen each other

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Speaker 2: in person was at the TCM Film Felt. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's right, that's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm not going this year because I just got

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Speaker 1: Although I'm sure it's great and everyone's having a blast.

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Speaker 1: But the Atlanta Film Festival is happening, and that's exciting

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Speaker 1: because it's over the course, it's like longer. I think

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Speaker 2: You know? I feel like I should I've been. The

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Speaker 2: But no, I can't say I have been doing that

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Speaker 2: I wish they're so exciting film festivals. Yeah, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: The TCM festival is small. It's over the course of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because if I go to a longer film festival,

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Speaker 1: I start kind of getting lonely. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: So anyway, very cool. Well, we got a lot going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're going to talk about mockumentaries.

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Speaker 2: Making these types of movies. Right, totally, totally, We'll get

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Speaker 2: because we have a wonderful guest today, the amazing Arden Marine,

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Speaker 2: but she was also on at mad TV show Insatiable.

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Speaker 2: She's got a great bachelor podcast on the iHeart Network,

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Speaker 2: a fellow iHeart Network podcast called Will You Accept This Rose,

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Speaker 2: Cool that I that I would like to stay and

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Speaker 1: Can put the baby down for a nap, Well, we'll

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Speaker 1: just be talking about the minuscule details of this movie

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Speaker 1: that we love. Well, listen, stay tuned, everybody, you are

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Speaker 1: listening to Deer Movies.

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Speaker 1: That's right, everybody, Welcome to Deer Movies.

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Speaker 2: I Love you. My name is Millie to Jericho, I'm

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Speaker 2: Casey O'Brien, and this is.

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Speaker 1: A film podcast about loving film and being obsessed with

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Speaker 1: film and you know, really just wanted to cuddle with

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Speaker 2: I don't know why this just popped into my head,

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Speaker 2: but what's your favorite breakfast meat? Meat? Breakfast meat yes.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be obscure here right off the bat,

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Speaker 1: I don't get to have it super often unfortunately, unless

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Speaker 1: have you ever had a Filipino like the breakfast sausage Longanisa?

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Speaker 1: I have, Yes, I mean delish, the best, probably the best,

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Speaker 2: Grows great with rice and eggs. Well, the reason I

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Speaker 2: asked this is that I was eating spam this morning.

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Speaker 2: What speaking of Filipino, I thought this might be my favorite,

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Speaker 1: So but okay, let me okay, let me, let me

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Speaker 2: Meat, right? Correct?

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Speaker 1: Do you only eat it as breakfast? Is?

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Speaker 2: it as breakfast, yes, but I will eat it for

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Speaker 1: Have you or Tricia ever made like spam?

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Speaker 2: Masubi. Yes, we have absolutely that is that's that's so good,

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Speaker 2: it's from Minnesota. It is it is Austin Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: I should know the history of spam because you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows, as everybody knows, Filipinos and Hawaiians love spam.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So what did you eat spam before you

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Speaker 2: Yes? I did, okay, but I feel like it really

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Speaker 1: So my favorite thing is when you I love to

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Speaker 2: this is the diary with which we write our most

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Speaker 2: most recently. And Millie, what have you been watching?

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Speaker 1: I watched a shit ton of movie this week.

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Speaker 1: People are going insane, like you've not seen the trashed

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Speaker 1: like totally go to the midnight.

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00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 2: Show, assholes.

438
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: I was so annoyed, and it made me realize, like, man,

439
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: I can't stan shit like this. I'm just I just can't.

440
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: I can't do it. Sorry, I hear you, I hear I.

441
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 2: Like it's a sacred space. And I feel like when

442
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: you start going to Alamo draft houses where there's like

443
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 2: a protocol for like if someone's talking, you can tattle

444
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: on them and have them shipped out of the movie theater,

445
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,719
Speaker 2: it's hard to go back to the regular movie theaters

446
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: after that without that security blanket. Well, it's like at.

447
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: Least the draft house is rowdy screenings where they're telling

448
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: you this is a rowdy screening. You can opt in

449
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: if you want to. Because I saw a rowdy screening

450
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: of Cats.

451
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: I did too, I saw I've been to I went

452
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: to two rowdy screenings of Cats.

453
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: But it's like you have the expectation of going in

454
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: if you know what's going on, and then they have

455
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: other screenings of the movie that are not rowdy, and

456
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: you can just go and be silent and a law

457
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: biting movie. Citizen yeah, I just I can't. I can't

458
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: get behind it. Have fun, I guess, but not for me.

459
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm not coming to this shit.

460
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: It feels like a film grape. Probably anyway that's actually

461
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: evolved into a film grape, which is you know that's

462
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: not on this show anyway. That's my long winded film diary.

463
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Now I have kind

464
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: of uninteresting film diary. I have two movies here, Okay.

465
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: I watched Wonkar Wise twenty forty six. I'd never seen

466
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: it on two thousand and four, which you think. I

467
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: watched this because I bought the box set with money

468
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: that you and Danielle gave me for like my birthday

469
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 2: on the Criterion collection, and I bought the and I

470
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: never watched twenty forty six. And then my dang Blu

471
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: ray disc didn't work. Oh that specific one.

472
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: I've heard that actually with some of the walcar Wi

473
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: box sets.

474
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: Really yeah, okay, I need to report this. I think

475
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: when they.

476
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: First came out, they were kind of Walston.

477
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 2: Right interesting, Wonky Wonkar Wonky Uh yeah, I uh so.

478
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: But I got to watch it and it was amazing,

479
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: and I'm such a dumb ass. I was like Wow,

480
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: this character is very similar to the one in the

481
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: Mood for Love. And then it was like, this is

482
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: a sequel to in the Mood for Love and I

483
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: was like, I'm so stupid. I didn't know that. And

484
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, this doesn't all take place in

485
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: the future. I really thought this all took place in

486
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: the future.

487
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: But what was it twenty forty six gave it away?

488
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 4: Huh.

489
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyways, obviously beautiful film. And then I watched

490
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: Kyle Mooney's move directorial debut. I believe y two K.

491
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: It was an AH twenty four film that came out

492
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: like last.

493
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: Year I remember, and it's uh came.

494
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: Out, Yeah, came out in twenty twenty four. It's about

495
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: one y two K and all the robots start attacking

496
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: people and it's really funny. It kind of reminded me

497
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: of it is it puppet Master with the little creatures

498
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: that like come after It kind of has like that

499
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: vibe or like a Goolies vibe with like little but

500
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: they're robots, you know, like little eh. And it's incredibly violent.

501
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 2: It's so insanely violent in a fun way, and it's

502
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: kind of nostalgic for that time you know I was

503
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: a teen around then, and uh, it was fun to

504
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: revisit the limbiscuits and uh the AOL instant messengers when

505
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: what have you? So are you nervous about Y two? K?

506
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: Get real? My mom had some uh we had some

507
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: non perishable food items and water prepared in case something happened.

508
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: But I didn't really think about it too much. I

509
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: wasn't too worried. I think my mom was mildly worried.

510
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: You didn't take out all your cash and put it

511
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: in a mattress.

512
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: No, I didn't take out my fourteen dollars and put

513
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: it somewhere so those times. But yeah, so that is

514
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: my food diary and we can close gently close the

515
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: book on that one. All right, everybody, we are back

516
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: for our main discussion topic today, which is mockumentaries and

517
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: waiting for Guffman. Millie, I think, did you come up

518
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: with the idea for this episode? I don't remember. I

519
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: feel like I don't know. But what's your opinion about

520
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: monumentaries and is why is it such a fertile ground

521
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: to discuss?

522
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: Well, it's a fertile ground because obviously it's a kind

523
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: of I mean, it's basically like a genre, but it's

524
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: really more of like a narrative structure, right, So it's like,

525
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, essentially it's become a genre, I think at

526
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: this point because there's been so many especially now when

527
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: you add all of the TV that we experience that

528
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: is in this style, which we'll get to i'm sure

529
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: in a second, but I have to say I feel

530
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: like over the years, I think entertainment has sort of

531
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: leaned on this style a little bit more generally, I

532
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: feel like advertising has leaned on this style. Like I

533
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: feel like every commercial is a fake documentary.

534
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: Now that's interesting. I hadn't even thought about, but you're

535
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: so and I think I know what it is.

536
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: I won't say it yet because again, we'll get to it,

537
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: i'm sure, but I feel like now that I've seen

538
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: kind of like a full trajectory of what this whatever

539
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: convention narrative convention slash genre is, I feel like there

540
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: are certainly bad ones and there's good ones. Like I

541
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: feel like, now to get it right, to make it

542
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: really funny and interesting, because it has to be interesting

543
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: because you have to basically you have to basically be sad.

544
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: It has to be satire, right, and whatever you're satirizing

545
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: has to be interesting enough, or you have to get

546
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 1: the joke enough. I guess that's maybe what it is, right.

547
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: You have to make the right references, you have to

548
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: make the right jokes in order for it to like

549
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: really hit. And I feel like that's gotten real sloppy.

550
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely.

551
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: And so because of that, I go back and I

552
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: see some of these more classic ones and I'm like, oh, yeah,

553
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: these are fucking great. They're not all great, they're not

554
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: all funny, but some of them are like really really good.

555
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: And I feel like it depends on who's doing it.

556
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's now become it's not just

557
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: like this, Oh, everything is gonna be funny. I'm very

558
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: particular about mockumentaries now, if.

559
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: You know me, it is interesting. It has totally taken

560
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: over the sitcom space on television, Like even once, it's

561
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 2: so widespread. There are ones I'm like, oh, I forgot

562
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: that that's technically a mockumentary. You know, It's like it's

563
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: almost become the go to. It's like as common as

564
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: like a three camera sitcom type of thing, like Abbott

565
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: Elementary that's a mockumentary. You know, there's a hospital one

566
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: that just came out, Saint Dennis Medical just came out

567
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: like this year, and that's like a mockumentary. And I

568
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: do think think the sloppiness comes from a lot of

569
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: the same type of joke, you know. I think the

570
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: Jim Helper from The Office joke of him kind of

571
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: looking at the camera like I don't know, like that

572
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 2: joke is done over and over and over again in

573
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: these documentaries where it's gotten kind of slappy.

574
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: Listen, that's I think. I think you've just burst the

575
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: bubble of what I wanted to talk about, which is

576
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: the Office. I feel like the Office is for me,

577
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: the thing that changed it. I think that's the Office

578
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: is what made the proliferation happen in everything else in

579
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: TV and film and in advertising especially, And I'm just like,

580
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that's when it started getting bad, like

581
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: really bad. Not to say that there weren't bad documentaries before,

582
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: but like now it's like everything's like this, And the

583
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: problem is is when you go back and you watch

584
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: something that's actually genius, like Waiting for Guffman or like,

585
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean, any of these mackamataries. I just want to

586
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: list a couple of my favorites. If you don't want,

587
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, so well, I have to say this.

588
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: I won't say it's necessarily a fave, but it was

589
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: for me, like one of the very first that I've

590
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: ever seen, which is David Holsman's Diary from nineteen sixty seven.

591
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: To me, that was one of the very first kind

592
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: of I don't know, like I don't know if you

593
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: call it like metacinema or whatever, but it was basically

594
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: like kind of a fake documentary, kind of a slog

595
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: I watched it.

596
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: It's kind of boring, yeah, kind.

597
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Of boring, but I will I just have to say

598
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: it because it's it's very influential. But you know, some

599
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: of my favorites are I mean, obviously you've got this

600
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: spinal tap, you know, the whole, I guess, the whole

601
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: Christopher Guest philosophy. Really, I'm just saying all that generally

602
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: because I know we're going to talk about it more.

603
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: The movie Smile, which got remade into Drop Dead Gorgeous.

604
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: The Michael Richie movie Smile fantastically not seen. I've seen

605
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: Drop Dead Gorgeous off, but you gotta see Smile. It's

606
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: it's amazing. One of my favorites. I also love the

607
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: whole I kind of I don't know why I categorized

608
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: these together, but the Robert Altman Gary Trudeau series Tanner

609
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: eighty eight, which was Michael Murphy playing Tanner basically, and

610
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: then Like the Bo and Bob Roberts, which was directed

611
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: by Tim Robbins. I don't know if those came out

612
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: around the same time, but they're both basically like political mockumentaries.

613
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: Right.

614
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Albert Brooks's Real Life.

615
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: That's a great I haven't seen that. That's a great

616
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: one that just came out in Criterion. I think, yes,

617
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: Criterion very easy to watch. And then I got to

618
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: be honest my favorites. So there's actually two that I

619
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: love that I grew up with. There was Rusty Kunduff's

620
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: Fear of a Black Hat, which I think came out

621
00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four or nineteenny three, and then there

622
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: was of course c Before with Chris Rock and they

623
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: were both like mockumentaries.

624
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: About gangster wrap like NWA, but it was very like

625
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: referential to like the whole scene. I thought they were

626
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: fucking hilarious when I saw those, Like to this day,

627
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: I still quote like straight out of low Cash, a

628
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: crazy motherfucker named Gusto from CB four. I mean it's

629
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: like I loved those those fake kind of band documentaries.

630
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah those did you ever see pop Star Never Stop,

631
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: Never Stopping?

632
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: Yes? Are you talking about the Lonely Island Guys?

633
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: Yes?

634
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: Yes, I thought that was a very I love that.

635
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: That was like a very funny pseudo mockumentary. Well, and

636
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: that's the thing.

637
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: Is that those guys do it really well, like because

638
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: they did those what is it the one about the

639
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: tennis player.

640
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: Seven Days in Hell?

641
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: Like, I gotta say, so, the Lonely Island guys do

642
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: it really well. And then I think personally that documentary

643
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: now love documentary now so good so and that's actually

644
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: even more meta if you think about it, because it's

645
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: basically like redoing, like doing fake homages to documentaries.

646
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: The quality of that show is so high that I

647
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: have seen the mockumentary version on that and then been like, oh,

648
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: I should watch the real version because this seems interesting,

649
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 2: Like that's how good they are?

650
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: You know, So like Bill Hayter play like doing the

651
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: fake Gray Gardens, Yes, incredible, He's like a national treasure

652
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: in that in that alone.

653
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: It just him being.

654
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: That character of the little eaedy character but fake national

655
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: treasure as far as I'm concerned, so well, and like, okay,

656
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: so remind me of the timing on this, because I'm

657
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: actually not sure. So I feel like, like like right

658
00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: before the Office was arrested development, yes, which I loved

659
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: arrested Development, and I felt like, like the Office, and

660
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the US Office because as we know,

661
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: the UK Office and the and the US Office are

662
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: two completely different juggernauts. Maybe one's a juggernaut and the

663
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: other one isn't as much the cool one. Maybe I'm

664
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: just talking about the Office. Sorry, I'm gonna get a

665
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: lot of hate mail because every all the Office so.

666
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: Much, so many I have heard so many people complain

667
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: about Tinder and Bumble and dating websites that so many

668
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: people have The Office as their favorite show or like

669
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: quotes of the Office. It is. It has become this

670
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: sort of signal of blandness, you know. And so I

671
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: don't think you're you're out of school talking shit about

672
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: the American Office. Well, and it's like.

673
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: There's so many, like.

674
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: There's just so.

675
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: I personally, I don't know why I can't understand how

676
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: it became so popular.

677
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: Does that you liked it when it came out, but

678
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: I did stop watching it.

679
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: But to the point where you can go to like

680
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: the drug store and get like Office pair, Like you

681
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: can go and get like a mug that has a

682
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: fucking Office quote on it at like Walgreens. Like it's

683
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: not even like you don't even need to go to

684
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: Spencer's Gifts you have to. You can just go down

685
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: to CBS and get something.

686
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: It is sort of like our national show.

687
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: I yes, and like I've because I work in entertainment

688
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: and digital entertainment and TV like the everyone makes Everyone

689
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: talks about The Office being like the show that if

690
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: you have it on your streaming channel, like you'll be

691
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: successful because just people just watch it constantly and there's like, no,

692
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: it's like full proof money making syndicated shit. Like they're

693
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 1: just like, oh, everyone's gonna love The Office and watch

694
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: every episode all the time.

695
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: They're not even gonna think about it.

696
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: And it's just fascinating to me that that show became

697
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: as popular as it did because there's just other people

698
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of doing these things that I like. I said,

699
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: I think that I like better. So even around the

700
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: same time period. I mean I loved the rest of development.

701
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: You know Chris Lily, he's Australian.

702
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I love him, love him too.

703
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: Those shows are so fucking funny to me, Like anything

704
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: that he does, you know, you have to like look

705
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: it up to a lot of them are on Max,

706
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: HBO Max, Like Summer Heights High.

707
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: I think it's on Max. And yes, and I mean

708
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: he he is a bit controversial because he has done

709
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: like black and brown face before and some of his

710
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: stuff so like and he hasn't really apologized for that stuff.

711
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: But his like Summer Heights High, Jamie Private Skill Gale

712
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: stuff is like so fucking funny and he's like and

713
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: that is sort of yeah, like fake do mockumentary type stuff.

714
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: There's other things that, like other films if we're gonna

715
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: get away from TV, Like there's other Montcoinery films that

716
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: were big like that I didn't see which was the

717
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: one the Joaquin Phoenix one I'm Still here that came

718
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: out talk about problematic. I mean that was like a

719
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: whole other thing, right, there was like drama with the

720
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: shoot and then there was also just his weirdness, like

721
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: nobody could understand if he was actually being legit or

722
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: if this was real.

723
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: That was kind of like it was kind of hard

724
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 2: to know if it was a joke or not, and

725
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: like that was sort of an enjoyable experience I think

726
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: for everybody.

727
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never I never saw it, but I remember

728
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: people talking about that when it came out. But there's

729
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: just like so much, so many movies now. I think again,

730
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: Like I want to say, this style of humor is

731
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: now even in like Marvel movies. It's like the humor

732
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: of a mockumentary. The device, the comedic device is now

733
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: everywhere in everything. It's in Marvel, it's in you know,

734
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: regular non mockumentary stuff.

735
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: It's just crazy.

736
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: How it became. I guess that's my point. I don't know.

737
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, here's the thing we're talking about.

738
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: Technically.

739
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: Technically, this episode is about Waiting for Government, right, which

740
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: is the Christopher Guest documentary came out in nineteen ninety six.

741
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Do you want to give a synopsis of it?

742
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: I will give a quick synopsis. This is a mockumentary, obviously.

743
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: Film takes place in the small city of Blaine, Missouri.

744
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: They are celebrating the town's Sessicas Centennial aka the one

745
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the city the founding of

746
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: the city. A huge part of this celebration is centered

747
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: around an original musical, written, directed, and eventually starring Quirky

748
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: Saint Clair played by Christopher Guest. He's an aspiring theater

749
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: director who has come back to Blaine. I guess did

750
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: he grow up there or did he just like end

751
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: up in I think he.

752
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: I think he was like originally from there, went to

753
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: try the big city to try to make it, and

754
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: then ended up back there or something.

755
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. He wrote an original musical called Red White and Blaine,

756
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: which is a history of the small town. He cobbles

757
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: together a small cast of non professional actors. And this

758
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: is all kind of in the hopes because he wrote

759
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 2: to this Broadway producer who named mort Guffman, and he

760
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: says he's gonna come to the show to see if

761
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: he'll put this musical on Broadway. And so it's all

762
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: leading to this, and will Gufman come to the show

763
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: and be so moved that he wants to bring the

764
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: play to Broadway? Well, we'll see.

765
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: Well, so here's the thing. I rewatched this again. Obviously

766
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: for the podcast, and I don't know about you. I'm

767
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: a huge fan of Christopher Guest, I think as a

768
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: person and as a filmmaker, because as a person he's

769
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: kind of like weirdly mysterious.

770
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if he Yes, he is. He's like

771
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 2: he seems like really cool and like aloof and it's

772
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: like you know him, and he was like on SNL

773
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: for a little bit, and he's like connected to all

774
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: these comedic people, but it's like he only kind of

775
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: like he's like an inactive volcano. He comes out, you

776
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: know once in a while.

777
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah you did, Jamie Lee Curis, Yes, I he Okay,

778
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: this is gonna have the.

779
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: Terrence Malick of the comedy world.

780
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: I know, follow me if you will down this.

781
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 2: Road, I always will.

782
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: He seems like the type.

783
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: Of guy.

784
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: That you you want him to like you so bad

785
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: because he's so cool and elusive, and he's just like

786
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: really relaxed in himself, like he's just like I do

787
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: what I do and take or leave it. I don't

788
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: come around, I don't do interviews, I don't fucking I

789
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: don't got any smoke. I just show up, do my thing,

790
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: and then I nail it. Every time, and you're always like, God,

791
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: I want to like no him. I want him to

792
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: like me, to think I'm cool, because he's so effortlessly cool.

793
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah, And it seems like he doesn't need

794
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: anyone's approval. He's like, Okay, I'm doing this, yes, Kenny.

795
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: And he's created this like little you know, gang of

796
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: people that he works with all the time, and you're like, God,

797
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: I wish I could be in that gang.

798
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: They seems like they're having fun. They're so smart, it's

799
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: so interesting. I wouldn't say Christopher Guest. You know, he

800
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: didn't invent the medium or the format of the mockumentary,

801
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: but I do think he created what it is today, yes,

802
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: or like what it I feel like he solidified it,

803
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: you know, because he is responsible for Spinal Tap. This

804
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: is Spinal Tap, which came out in nineteen eighty five.

805
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: He wrote that he didn't direct it, but he wrote

806
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: that and was in it, and then he directed these

807
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: subsequent mockumentaries, which include Waiting for Guffman, Best in Show

808
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: and A Mighty Wind And yeah, he just and it's

809
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: like he hasn't made a movie since two thousand and six. Yeah,

810
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: and he doesn't you know, he must just not need to.

811
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: Well, And it's like, I think this is my I

812
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: might be re establishing the point that I made when

813
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: we first started this conversation, is that I feel like,

814
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: in order to make a good documentary, you have to

815
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: be really really smart about human behavior and humanisms, right, Like, yeah,

816
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: you have to be very observant in order to be

817
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: able to get the references.

818
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 6: Right.

819
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: Like, the reason why Best in Show is so goddamn

820
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: funny is because they've created these archetypes of these people

821
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: that would show up to a dog show, right. And

822
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: maybe you don't go to dog shows and you don't

823
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: know who the fuck these people are, but the minute

824
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: you sit in front of this movie, you're like, oh,

825
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: I know these people, Like these are the type of

826
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: people who would come to a dog show. Like there's

827
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: the like rich woman and her like you know, potentially

828
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: lesbian partner. You know, like they're having this like crazy

829
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: interaction and you never know where it's gonna go.

830
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: But then you've got the like mobile.

831
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: Home couple, you know who are it's always Katherine O'Hara

832
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: and someone. She's always like playing the wife, the crazy

833
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: wife of this like maniac guy or whatever. You know,

834
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: and then you've got you know, obviously the Parker Posy

835
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: character and her husband, who are these like, yeah, totally

836
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: insane like type a personality New York people with their

837
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: like bespoke dog. You know, it's like, uh huh, you

838
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: don't even have to like be in the world of

839
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: the Dog Show to know that these people exist. And

840
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: the fact that it's like so you're able to really

841
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: like pinpoint, Like that's what makes Christopher Guests great is

842
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: that he gets the very subtle behaviors and mannerisms of

843
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: people that you're just like you automatically know the joke,

844
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: and I just feel like he is the best at it,

845
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: Like he is really really good at it. Where yeah,

846
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: some of these others that are out here in these streets,

847
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: these mockumentary streets not as good, not as good.

848
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: I think you tapped into something where it's like they're

849
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: instantly recognizable. But also we've never seen them in a

850
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: movie before, right, you know, they've never They're completely original,

851
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: but like I know that person instantaneously.

852
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, like with Waiting for Guffman, Corky, Saint

853
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: Claire who is played by you know, Christopher Guests are.

854
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: There are so many people who I know in my life.

855
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say so many, but there are people in

856
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: my life where I was like, that's so and so,

857
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: oh I know this man.

858
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: Do you think I not know a fucking older gay guy.

859
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, come on, we know this guy.

860
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: We know the guy that Judy Tanuda shirt, who's like.

861
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: You know basically that When I rewatched it and I

862
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: saw the new Toasure, I was like, oh my god.

863
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: I was like this this is operating on levels I

864
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: can't even understand. I couldn't even understand before.

865
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Yes, he's like trying to put on a big show.

866
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: He creates the hometown Hollywood Memorabilia Museum with his remains

867
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: of the day lunchboxes, and like he's like, you know

868
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: this person like this in Georgia. In Atlanta, that person

869
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: owns an antiques booth and is like you know somebody

870
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: that like goes to the Colonnade with his friends every

871
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: Sunday night for supper.

872
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: Like oh, but but it's also a guy who is

873
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: prominent in the community, and there are allusions to a

874
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: wife or you know, there's still a closeted sense it

875
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: like yes, not out, but like very prominent in the community. Yeah,

876
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: he's that's sort of a like non I feel like

877
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: you find that not in the coastal elite places in

878
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: this country.

879
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: So that's what it really is. And that's the thing

880
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: is that his characters are all these people, they're all

881
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: they all have like nuances. I mean, let's get serious.

882
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: Jennifer Coolidge really wouldn't be who she is. I think

883
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: without her work in some of these movies, like.

884
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: A hundred, she would just be Stiffler's mom.

885
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: Right, Like the fact that she was in Best in

886
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: Show playing that character that she's always like she she

887
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: kind of has this you know, it's like her White

888
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Load's character essentially.

889
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that to me is like she wouldn't exist.

890
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Like to me, I feel like she's the best in

891
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: these movies because she's playing a type of person and

892
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: all these people are playing a type. And I feel

893
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: like you don't get there unless you really understand and

894
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: know people, and like it's a really hard balance. And

895
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: I feel like that's why there's so many bad It's

896
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: because people are doing it. Like I look at stuff

897
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: on TV all the time. I mean, you don't even

898
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: know so many shows we haven't even talked about like

899
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: Modern Family.

900
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 2: I forgot that's a dockument Modern Family. Yes, I completely

901
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: forget that that's like a mockumentary, you know.

902
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: Because everyone's playing real fast and loose with the.

903
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: Four they really are. Wait, can I just can I

904
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: give some love to It's very fun to play a

905
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: character like quirky Saint Clair that's big and outrageous. Yes,

906
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 2: but I feel like Fred Willard King King. I just

907
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: feel like the type of care he he is so

908
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: locked into this specific type of guy that you do

909
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: know that is so original and kind of like it's

910
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: it's like traditional male, you know, because you need you

911
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: can't have all. He's like much more of a like

912
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: normal guy in a way, but it's like a heightened

913
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: normal guy. I don't know. I think what the work

914
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: he does, I think he's brilliant, and I think he

915
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 2: is so good in this movie as like the travel

916
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: agent who is like arrogant and like kind of cocky

917
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: and probably thinks of himself like as like a movie

918
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: star type, you know, and like I don't know, he's

919
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: just does he ri I p King?

920
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: You know?

921
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: He was just if you do.

922
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: Not drop in the hey what happened?

923
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: Line?

924
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: From a mighty wind here, I'm gonna scream I will

925
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: I will have you fired if you don't do that.

926
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: It's so he's so funny because again.

927
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: He's like, like I said, he's really really subtle.

928
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: I think Eugene Levy is the same way in a

929
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: different way, but he is also very subtly like a character.

930
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: Like it's not over the top unless he has to be.

931
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: He can be over the top front. But they're like

932
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: so they both ride this line. They're not really like

933
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: in the world that they exist in, no one would

934
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: describe them as a character, you know what I mean, Like,

935
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: whereas like a quirky Saint Clair. It's like in the

936
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: world of that movie, he is outrageous in that world also,

937
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: but these are like two normal men.

938
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: But I don't know, it's they they're both brilliant, and

939
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: uh doesn't it make you kind of like doesn't it

940
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: kind of like tug at your heart strings that like

941
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara are like still working together.

942
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 2: I mean I don't I have like sort of mixed

943
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 2: emotions about Shit's Creek, But it like warms my heart

944
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: that they like are still working so much and still

945
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: working together all these years later.

946
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think so too. I Mean, the

947
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: only thing I will say about that is that I

948
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: fucking wish that. I fucking wish that John Michael Higgins

949
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: and Michael McKean from Best in Show. I wish that

950
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: they had.

951
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: To spit off.

952
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, those like two gay guy with like

953
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: how many kimoos are you gonna pack? Like I that

954
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: needed to be a fully like that should.

955
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: Have been Modern Family, What the fuck?

956
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that should have went on for like ten seasons,

957
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: just those two characters being.

958
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: Together there for thirty six hours.

959
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: I swear, like, I feel like that's the biggest joy

960
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: of the Christopher Guest universe with these actors, Like everybody

961
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: loves these people. This this I mean, it's kind of like,

962
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of liken it to like a

963
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: John Waters Dreamlanders type of scenario totally, you know, where

964
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: it's just like a gang of like super funny, smart

965
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: people who just are in the same movies. They're always

966
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: they're always nailing it, and then they continue to work

967
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: even outside of him, which is what happened with Eugene

968
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: Levy and KAVINR.

969
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 2: Harris.

970
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: So and that goes back to SCTV. I mean it

971
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: goes even so much further back, but it's like, I

972
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: don't know, you talk about creative collaborators and how you

973
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: wanted your like little gang, and this is like the

974
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: ultimate of.

975
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: That, right. Even even actors who like play smaller roles

976
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 2: in these movies, like Bob Balaban or like Don Lake,

977
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: the actor Don Lake who plays the town historian in this,

978
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: he's the one that's like, well, that's that's when we

979
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: had the stool boom. You know that guy. But he

980
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: like they all pop up in the Christopher Guest movies

981
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: but just you know, like they might not be the bit,

982
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: but it's like they just create this world. Yeah, in

983
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: all these movies that just is so god, it's so funny.

984
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: It's really great, and I'm so glad that I got

985
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: to watch Waiting for Guffman again. I mean, like, honestly,

986
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: I come back around on these movies often because they're

987
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: always like once in a while I'll just get on

988
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: a tear of them again, Like I really really want

989
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: to watch a Mighty Wind again, speaking of the phone.

990
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: Mighty Wind is great. Yeah, it's great.

991
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: It's actually I remember like getting a emotional.

992
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: It is I would say it is the most emotional

993
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: guess of his movies.

994
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got really emotional at the end. I mean,

995
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: I won't give it away, But.

996
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: Did you ever see so Christopher Guest made these mockumentaries

997
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: and then he made an actual, just straight narrative movie

998
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 2: called For Your Consideration? Did you ever see that movie

999
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: from two thousand and six?

1000
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: No, I don't think I ever saw it.

1001
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: It is a little disappointing. I think these mocumentaries are

1002
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: just like it, like you you always say bpm, it's going,

1003
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: you know, like beats per minute. It's like the best

1004
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: comedies out there, and I just feel like For Your

1005
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: Consideration doesn't quite have that.

1006
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see. I haven't really seen any of

1007
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: the like newer stuff. Like I know, he did this

1008
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: thing called Mascots, which.

1009
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: Is on that's the last thing he's done.

1010
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they do the spinal tap thing. It feels

1011
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: like a little bit.

1012
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, there's a new spinal tap coming yeah,

1013
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: next which I'm like, that'll be interesting.

1014
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 7: Oh.

1015
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm a little scared, a little scared.

1016
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 2: Those men are old.

1017
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: Oh they're old, but they're you know, I just feel

1018
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: like they're the fans.

1019
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: It's always the fans.

1020
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: Be careful, be careful out there with those fans.

1021
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 2: Well, Millie, was there anything else you wanted to cover

1022
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: before we move on from our mockumentary conversation?

1023
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: No, but I'm glad we did this topic because I

1024
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: feel like I think I initially had just been like,

1025
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: let's just do it, and then it became a much

1026
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: more interesting conversation. I think I thought it was going

1027
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: to be like I think we got down. We actually

1028
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: solved the problem of comedy, which I really we solved it.

1029
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: We're just solving so many problems.

1030
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: I think it's that we don't want any more. Can

1031
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: we not have any more.

1032
00:54:58,600 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 2: Of this style?

1033
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: We could have one one once in a while, but

1034
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: we don't need every show.

1035
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: I think we need to retire the television, the mockumentary

1036
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: television show. I think if you're gonna put in the

1037
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: effort to make a feature film, go ahead, you know,

1038
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of like in mockumentaries to found

1039
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: footage movies, uh huh, because those got really out of

1040
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: control too, like found footage horrors. But I still like

1041
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 2: the format.

1042
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: I like.

1043
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: I don't think I think there's good things you can

1044
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: do with it, but just you know, don't get sloppy. Yeah,

1045
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. All Right, everybody, we're back with

1046
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: another installment of our segment, my area of Expertise, and boy,

1047
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: howd eat do we have an expert on the show today.

1048
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: You may have seen her on Mad TV Insatiable. You

1049
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: can hear her on Fellow iHeart podcast Will You Accept

1050
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: This Rose. She's the author of the memoir little Miss

1051
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: Little Compton. Yeah, and you can see her on the

1052
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 2: most recent season of The Righteous gem Stones as Jenna

1053
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 2: Millsap they need to be nicer to Jen No, I

1054
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: think I agree with you.

1055
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 6: I mean, she's so sweet and Corey just hates her

1056
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 6: so much, no matter what, so hard he's like, she tries.

1057
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 5: It's like being mean to a bunny.

1058
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 6: Like, she's so sweet and she tries so hard. I

1059
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 6: like that she just takes swings and makes jokes in

1060
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 6: front of the Gemstone.

1061
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: She's trying, She's trying, And yeah, they need to be

1062
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: nicer to her. But we have the wonderful Arden Marine.

1063
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1064
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: For being here. Oh my God, my true honor mine.

1065
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 5: Honey.

1066
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 2: So, like we said at the top, you're an expert. Yeah,

1067
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: the area of xise that you are an expert in

1068
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: is dirty dancing.

1069
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, as you were saying, as you were

1070
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 6: talking earlier, the other area I could have picked would be.

1071
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 5: Steve Martin movies. But but this is it's dirty, dirty dancing.

1072
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: I am the right choice.

1073
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 5: I am an expert.

1074
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 6: In dirty dancing. I love dirty dancing.

1075
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: Do you remember seeing it? Yeah, for the first time.

1076
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what was that emotional experience you're thing?

1077
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 5: It was my one of my mom's favorite movies. She

1078
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 5: loved it. And you know, you want to go in.

1079
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 6: I feel like I was maybe like thirteen, and you

1080
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 6: want to go in like too cool for school of

1081
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 6: like this is going to be like so like okay dirty,

1082
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 6: like it does. Everything about it felt like not cool

1083
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 6: when you're thirteen. And I gotta tell you, I just

1084
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 6: rewatched it last night because I'm a good little pupil.

1085
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 6: Everything from the opening sound like it never has be.

1086
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 5: My Baby sounded hotter.

1087
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 6: I mean, I want to just say it. I felt

1088
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 6: I really related. I was a late bloomer and the

1089
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 6: fact that Baby gets the guy and not the older

1090
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 6: sister incredible storyline. And we all know that Patrick Swayzey

1091
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 6: is hot but rewatching Jennifer Gray is the hottest personal life.

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00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I couldn't agree more. Her body is.

1093
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 6: Her body, and looking at her when she's like kind

1094
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 6: of like starting to come into her like like sexuality,

1095
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 6: and when I remember when she runs down the steps

1096
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 6: in that little like body suit and jean shorts.

1097
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 5: You could wear that today.

1098
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 6: Like I'm watching Summerhouse right now and one of the

1099
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 6: characters is wearing that.

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00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 5: Not many people can pull that off.

1101
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 6: No one is hotter her her and the lake doing

1102
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 6: the lifts sits just as hot as Patrick Swayzey.

1103
00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 5: It was the hottest.

1104
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 6: And I love the fact that in theory for Hollywood

1105
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 6: version of like the sort of quirky duckling, like they

1106
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 6: called her like you could be pretty, so we'll call

1107
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 6: her the ugly duckling even though she's the ugly duckling

1108
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 6: got just sex on feet and they had like a

1109
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 6: charming connection.

1110
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 5: I really was like, I want to be baby. I don't

1111
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 5: want to be baby.

1112
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 6: I want to go to Kellerman's. I want to take

1113
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 6: I want to go take Chashaw lessons. I want to

1114
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 6: crawl around on the ground and talk about spaghetti arms.

1115
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 6: I want to go to adult camp with my family. Yes,

1116
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 6: I love this movie. It holds up I'm going to

1117
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 6: say maybe my favorite movie of all time.

1118
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean we talked about this briefly

1119
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: before we did the microphone, but like we were like,

1120
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: it's got to be top three. I mean, I have

1121
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: the amount of times they've seen this movie me too,

1122
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: is insane. I watched it as part So you know,

1123
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people maybe don't know this, or maybe

1124
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: they don't even really think about it, but this movie

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00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: is takes place at like a Jewish yes camp. Yes, yeah,

1126
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: so it played as part of the Jewish Film Festival

1127
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta.

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01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 5: Yes.

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01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: And of course when I when I when they played it,

1130
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, of course, because that's the whole

1131
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: conceit of the movie is that.

1132
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: It's like Porschpelt, like yes, you know I did.

1133
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 6: I didn't add that up as a child maybe, And

1134
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 6: then like even reading about it, it's like he's not Jewish,

1135
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 6: she's Jewish, like just the whole.

1136
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, ah, I'm I. I want to convert and

1137
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 5: I want to go to Killman's with my Jewish family.

1138
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 6: By get me out of New England seven, Like I'm

1139
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 6: here for it, honey.

1140
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: That camp is so fascinating, and like, do they have

1141
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: things like I used to?

1142
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 5: They used to It was like a time and place.

1143
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 6: It was like, as they were saying the era opening lines,

1144
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 6: it was before Kennedy was shot.

1145
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 5: It was before the Beatles had invaded.

1146
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 6: It was like coming out of the fifties going into

1147
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 6: the sixties before it got starting to get a little

1148
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 6: more dangerous, you know.

1149
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean it's the I feel like

1150
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 2: the first time I loved, Like the sex of this

1151
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: movie is fabulous, Like when you see Patrick Swayze for

1152
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 2: the first time and he's like dancing with this woman

1153
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 2: and is like throwing her around. I mean, it's so hot.

1154
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: It's like it is like face meltingly hot. It's insane.

1155
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 6: Can I just say I did a lot of research

1156
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 6: for this, Yes, thank you, because I already knew this already,

1157
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 6: so like honestly the star, I already knew this.

1158
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 5: It was just like.

1159
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 6: I again, I wanted to come right for your listeners.

1160
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: Sure, thank you.

1161
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 6: Billy Zane allegedly was initially cast as Johnny Castle. But

1162
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 6: here comes Patrick Swayzee, who was a trained dancer, and

1163
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 6: he went to I don't know. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1164
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 6: lie about what it's like the Joffree Ballet or something like.

1165
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 5: He went to like the he was like actually trained dancer, Yeah,

1166
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 5: but he had.

1167
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 6: An injury and he said on his resume, can't dance,

1168
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 6: Like can dance but not allowed to And so he

1169
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 6: was like concerned.

1170
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: This king.

1171
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 6: All of his own stunts, there was never a body double.

1172
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 6: And he fell off the log when they were doing

1173
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 6: the like rehurt his knee and kept going. Now, Sarah

1174
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 6: Tisica Parker also auditioned. Ironically, Jennifer Gray was dating Matthew

1175
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 6: Broderick at the time of filming this, so he was

1176
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 6: and he came in. Apparently he's in the audience when

1177
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,479
Speaker 6: they filmed the Talent Show.

1178
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 5: He's there in the audience.

1179
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that. That's amazing.

1180
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 5: Really, I have been.

1181
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 6: I was dating somebody who has parents lived in North Carolina.

1182
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 5: So I went to One of the sets was in

1183
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 5: near Back.

1184
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 6: Cave, North Carolina, and I went a lot of his

1185
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 6: burned down were gone, and then there was the other

1186
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 6: one was in Virginia. Now, they filmed all this in

1187
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 6: the fall, and it was really cold and they had

1188
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 6: to spray paint a lot. They were turning colors. They

1189
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 6: dispray paint the leaves green. This to keep it the lake.

1190
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 6: Seen the lift scene they were freezing. It was like

1191
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 6: sub like like free Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Gray had

1192
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 6: electric chemistry in the audition. They'd done a movie together

1193
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 6: and didn't like each other before read Dawn. Then they

1194
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 6: but they had this great screen test. Then they got

1195
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 6: there and they fucking hated each other. They hated each other.

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01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 6: He was very sort of by the book, right, I mean,

1197
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 6: you don't become that good of a dancer and have

1198
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 6: a body like that if you're not a little regimented. Right,

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01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 6: Barly the scene where he's dragging his hand down and

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01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 6: she's giggling, that was not like in that, Like that

1201
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 6: was them rehearsing and she's ticklish, and his look of annoyance,

1202
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 6: Oh of course that was Jennifer Gray giggling.

1203
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 5: That was him being pissed.

1204
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 6: They didn't even remember they did that, and they were

1205
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 6: going through the dance rehearsal. They were just watching dance rehearsals.

1206
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 6: That wasn't like filming. And they found that footage and

1207
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 6: nobody wrote like that wasn't part of it, and they edited.

1208
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: It in interesting.

1209
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 6: Because and he was like he thought she was like

1210
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 6: unprofessional because she would get giggly, but like that's her charm, Like, yeah,

1211
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 6: she was so good in the first scene when they

1212
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 6: go up, but she carries the watermelon.

1213
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 5: I carry a watermelon? How hot I'm dancing to.

1214
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 6: Like fifties music to look like the horniness and the musk,

1215
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 6: but like pheromones of that room and.

1216
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: Those people in the background, the background dancers are hot

1217
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: as fucking hell. Like they're all like grinding on each other.

1218
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: I watched them all the time.

1219
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: When I watch the movie, I'm just like, who was

1220
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 1: the Like little she's got she's got like really really

1221
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: short hair, I know what you mean.

1222
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 6: She's so sassy, she's got a little like Maria. She's

1223
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 6: got like Anita from West Side Story energy. And then

1224
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 6: when he comes over and he does the finger crook out,

1225
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that's who hated each other. She's so

1226
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 6: poised and grounded too like and her little like kind

1227
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 6: of perm not perm like. And she didn't look fifties

1228
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 6: or sixties. She looked kind of eighties, of course, and

1229
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 6: like his finger cur I.

1230
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: Mean, there's several moments where I'm absolutely like, she's the

1231
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: hottest woman ever hundred and not just me when I

1232
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: was like nine, but like even to day as a

1233
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: grown woman. Like there's two scenes. One is during the

1234
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: Hungry Eyes sequence waist, I waste.

1235
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 6: The waist heard by her hands on Hungry Eyes. I've

1236
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 6: never wanted giant hands on my waist. I want the

1237
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 6: proportions that they had with her waist in his hands.

1238
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 6: I need tod somebody like a meathand a stick and

1239
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 6: we can read.

1240
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: Guess, so hold you like backwards like almost the fingertips

1241
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: are going down.

1242
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 6: Holding the hips also okay the way, okay, sorry I

1243
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 6: cut you off.

1244
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 5: Second scene when she was a HoTT.

1245
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: The second scene is during again it's like another like

1246
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: one of the like uh montage sequences, And this was

1247
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: the one where they were like lip syncing to Mickey

1248
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: and Sylvia strange.

1249
01:05:59,120 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: Yes.

1250
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: But the second one when they're like fully together hot

1251
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: and like he's on the floor and he's just like

1252
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: kind of like bang is like buying floor and then

1253
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: they do this crazy I don't know if they did

1254
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: it with like a steady cam or like some kind

1255
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: of crane, but they like focusing on her and she's

1256
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: like behind that little petition and she's like, come in

1257
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: love a boy.

1258
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: And I'm like, the.

1259
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: Girl, you are doing that shit like you was doing

1260
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: that shit.

1261
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 5: She was so hot and she.

1262
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 6: Dated all the hottest guys, and you see gause.

1263
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 5: Someone is confident, she knows she's got it.

1264
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 6: She's like and this I called bullshit on because they

1265
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 6: claimed that that was like, oh, they just rehearsed like that.

1266
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 6: You don't have a city cam for rehearsal. That was

1267
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 6: like planned.

1268
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 5: That was bullshit. That was not like found.

1269
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 6: Footage like you like, you don't like push in like

1270
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 6: a creeper with the city cam.

1271
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 5: It's not happening. And again I'm not trying to be problematic.

1272
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to like like all inclusive, all of

1273
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 6: all sizes.

1274
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 5: It's not I've never wanted a body.

1275
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 6: I was like, I just want to I just want

1276
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 6: if I could have anyone's body on Earth, I want

1277
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 6: to be I want to be baby.

1278
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 5: I want that body.

1279
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 6: I want to just wear that leotard and jean shorts

1280
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 6: and I want those hands on. So also allegedly they

1281
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 6: never successfully did the lift until the finale, and that

1282
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 6: was the first and only time they did it, and

1283
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 6: so their joy was like real love of that they

1284
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 6: were coming together. Apparently they had to reshow them their

1285
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 6: chemistry test to show so they could get but they

1286
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 6: were worried they weren't going to be able to get

1287
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 6: through the filming because they hated each other so much.

1288
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: Oh, they were trying to like make them fall back

1289
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: in love with them.

1290
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 6: Then they fell again with and so that they their

1291
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 6: joy of like her laughing and kissing him is like

1292
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 6: that's Patrick and Jennifer had never actually executed the lift.

1293
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 5: When you look at his hands and her little hips.

1294
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: And that dress, that dress, they listen, they must have

1295
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: figured it out, because I'm telling you right now, dude,

1296
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: if you play.

1297
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 5: Me the final sne I cannot like but.

1298
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: Literally the like last minute of the film where he

1299
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: looks said her with like the most yearning I've ever

1300
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: seen in a man in my life in movies screen Otherwise,

1301
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, I fucking want some guy to look at

1302
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: me in the way that he looks at her. But

1303
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: he looks like he's about to cry or something. I

1304
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: just he looks like and I'm like, how did they

1305
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: figure this out? This is so genius, Like this is everything.

1306
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 5: For us, honestly, think Patrick, it makes me.

1307
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 6: I feel like Patrick Sweezey kind of became a joke

1308
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 6: after this for a little bit. I was like, Oh,

1309
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 6: Pat for us so good. I read Roblow his book

1310
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 6: when it came out, and they were saying at the

1311
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 6: audition for The Outsiders that Patrick Swayzey everyone on the

1312
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 6: set he was the cool guy. Everyone wanted to be

1313
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 6: Patrick Swayzey, that he was the coolest one on the set,

1314
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 6: Like that was the guy for like Matt Dylan, like

1315
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 6: all the guys wanted to be Patrick Swayzey.

1316
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: Did you see the documentary about him that that came out.

1317
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 2: I guess it was a couple of years ago.

1318
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:08,560
Speaker 1: It's fantastic, and it was like the documentary really nailed

1319
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: what I think I loved about him, which is that

1320
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: he's this like rugged masculine guy, but he dances and

1321
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: he's sensitive and he's not afraid to look feminine in

1322
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: his like body and his.

1323
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 5: Life so good and he's incredible.

1324
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: And Ghost. I just recently rewatched Ghost. That's another one

1325
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: where you could like kind of like make fun of

1326
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 2: him for that movie, but he plays it. He's he

1327
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 2: is so intensely dedicated to his performance in these movies

1328
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 2: that he totally like raises the profile of these films.

1329
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 6: And he just I wonder if because he was too

1330
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 6: handsome or pretty, he's.

1331
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: Like masculine, he's too beautiful.

1332
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 5: Pretty but masculine, but he's pretty.

1333
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 6: And I wonder if I wonder I actually felt like

1334
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 6: with his Johnny.

1335
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 5: Speeches, I bet people.

1336
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 6: Did dismiss I mean, you can tell this guy to

1337
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 6: work out it so like I wonder if his beauty

1338
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 6: got him dismissed many times, probably, like you know, it's

1339
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 6: not something that most regular people have to deal with,

1340
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 6: but I would imagine I bet people belittled his talent

1341
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:14,799
Speaker 6: or his efforts.

1342
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's like he's a reason like sorry, Casey,

1343
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: I mean to cut no, no, no, please.

1344
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: I feel I feel very passionate about the subject. I'm

1345
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: going insane right now. But you know that's like, Casey,

1346
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: why don't you.

1347
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: Just go away? Millie did say before this interview that

1348
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 2: she might ask me to leave the interview she needs

1349
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 2: to do.

1350
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 5: I'm super fans.

1351
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 6: I have so many more facts, but I feel like

1352
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 6: I need to get Casey what Millie's done.

1353
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: I know I know, sorry, Casey, I'm gonna say this

1354
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna let you speak. But like, the

1355
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 1: thing is, I feel like, for some reason, the movie

1356
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: going audiences all right, like primarily men, let's get serious straight,

1357
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: guys can't accept a leading guy who like knows how

1358
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: to dance.

1359
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: I don't know why they don't do that.

1360
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 5: I watch Tavana knight Side not okay, Yeah.

1361
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: Exactly, And because I feel like Channing Tatum is probably

1362
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: the most similar compy. He's like a more He's probably

1363
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: the most modern day Patrick Swayzer we have right now. Yes,

1364
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 1: the thing that Channing Tatum has done that Patrick did

1365
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: not do was that Channing Tatum basically realized his own

1366
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: like he almost said to himself, I know people think

1367
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be corny, so I need to get on

1368
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: top of it, get ahead of the curve and like

1369
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: be funny and like start doing comedies and.

1370
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 5: Making fun of hilarious.

1371
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And he's great in Magic Mike.

1372
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 1: But see, Patrick was more earnest, he was really serious

1373
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: and so and he did not allow himself necessarily to

1374
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: become like the caricature of who he was. I mean,

1375
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: he did it on like SNL maybe once or twice,

1376
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: But he wasn't like Channing Tatum where he just like

1377
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: completely like was like I'm self aware of who I am.

1378
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 5: Maybe he wasn't funny.

1379
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I could.

1380
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: I mean that could totally. I think. Yeah, like you're saying, really,

1381
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 2: there's always a little bit of like wink to the

1382
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: camera with Channing, Like even in the magic mic stuff,

1383
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, isn't this funny that I'm doing this?

1384
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: You know? But like Patrick Swayzey was like just such

1385
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: an artist. He was just so committed to it. Yeah,

1386
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 2: and I think arden to your previous point about him

1387
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 2: being too beautiful, I think that's right. But I also

1388
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: think he is such a man, oh my god, you know,

1389
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: like and like he can't be he so like maybe

1390
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: he can't get in these like teen romances as much

1391
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 2: because he is so man.

1392
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 6: He's not he's a mad He's a man.

1393
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine if you were Jerry Orbach

1394
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm I'm the man who's like wooing

1395
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 2: your daughter, it would be sort of frightening.

1396
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 3: No.

1397
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 6: No, As a person who hosts a bachelor podcast, ABC

1398
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 6: often picks a male lead that feels like like kind

1399
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 6: of neutered.

1400
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 5: That's a little bit like yeah, story, they're not.

1401
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 6: Really gonna fuck your daughter like this last Bachelor was hot,

1402
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 6: but like they kind of put Patrick Swayze is gonna

1403
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 6: like bang your daughter like like fifty eight times all weekend,

1404
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 6: Like what.

1405
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 5: Your daughter is going to get just like banged? Okay,

1406
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 5: I have a few things to say. Okay, here's other facts.

1407
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 6: Apparently, the woman who played the mom was initially cast

1408
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 6: as the woman who is sleeping with him, who then

1409
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 6: sleeps with Robbie, who is a rich lady.

1410
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 5: He was Vivian Vivian.

1411
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 6: She was initially Vivian, but the woman playing the the

1412
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 6: initially playing the mom had like an accident or got

1413
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 6: sick or something happened or she couldn't do it. So

1414
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 6: at the last minute she got bumped up to the

1415
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 6: mom and then they brought in the different actress to

1416
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 6: play Vivian, the sister, who I think is incredible and

1417
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 6: I can't believe she didn't work more.

1418
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 5: I thought she was hilarious. She wrote her own song

1419
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 5: that was in the talent show.

1420
01:13:53,640 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 3: No Away Away.

1421
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 6: She was so good, incredible, and I also want to

1422
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 6: give a shout.

1423
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 5: Out for how hot Jennifer Gray is and how good

1424
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:12,799
Speaker 5: she is at.

1425
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 6: Being that first time when she's learning when she carries

1426
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 6: the watermelon, to be.

1427
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 5: Able to like thrust your hips.

1428
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 6: Badly but believably badly, not overdoing it like right, and

1429
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 6: then to then start to get it in the dance there,

1430
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 6: to go from being like awkward but not over awkward,

1431
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 6: and then I'm starting to get into it, and then

1432
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 6: she spins around and he's gone, like.

1433
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: See, I think she got her flowers. And I don't

1434
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: know if you read her autobiography. It came out like

1435
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: not too long ago. I got it on audio because

1436
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to hear her say her

1437
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: own words, but like it's she's great. First of all,

1438
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: she's a legend because of everything. Like first of all,

1439
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: she like dated every hot guy in Hollywood. Her dad

1440
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: was obviously Joel Gray. She came from one of those

1441
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: like performance dance families.

1442
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 5: That was her dad. I forgot, yeah, and it's it.

1443
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: Sounded like she grew up in New York with like

1444
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: really artsy parents, like seventies actor parents, where like everybody

1445
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: was having like key parties and smoking cigarettes and she

1446
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 1: was just like a child on the periphery, like learning

1447
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: about like life and going to the museums and stuff

1448
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna download.

1449
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have her, I'm gonna listen to her do it.

1450
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's but I feel like she really got

1451
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: her flowers in terms of like how good she is

1452
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: in Dirty Dancing because obviously when this movie came out,

1453
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean you and I remember this, it was all

1454
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: about Patrick Swayze. Everybody was obsessed with Patrick swayzey and

1455
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: like obsessed with dirty Dancing as a concept. By the way,

1456
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: that was a huge It was like the Macarena or something. Yeah,

1457
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 1: people were like going to dirty dancing class. Yes, obsessed

1458
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: with the album, but like it was a movement. Like

1459
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: people were like, oh, I can't wait, me and my

1460
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: husband are gonna go to like dirty dancing class or

1461
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck. It was like a thing. But like

1462
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: she and she was obviously a part of this movie

1463
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 1: and a but I think it's also like in a

1464
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: more she is now Finally, I think people were being like, oh,

1465
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: she's the best, Like in this movie, she's like the

1466
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: most beautiful, she's she can.

1467
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 5: Dance rewatching it. I agree with you.

1468
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 6: I mean that always happens though, even on like Twilight,

1469
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 6: because it's the females that are the ticket buyers, like

1470
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 6: the street girls, right, and they're like, I want you know, Edward,

1471
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 6: I want whatever, like like it's like they you know,

1472
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 6: I want Robert Pattinson, like you know, like like they're

1473
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 6: the ones.

1474
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 5: That go crazy. Okay.

1475
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 6: Apparently the song She's Like the Wind, which he wrote

1476
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 6: and performed, he had tried to jam it into like

1477
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 6: three movies that he'd already been in.

1478
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1479
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 6: And so it's great and apparently at the script got

1480
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 6: denied like by like forty five places, and this little

1481
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 6: studio was like, okay, we'll make it. They made it

1482
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 6: for six million dollars and at that time it made

1483
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 6: like two hundred and forty million dollars, and apparently it

1484
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 6: tested terribly. People were making fun of Some people were

1485
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 6: saying you should just burn it and try to get

1486
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 6: the insurance money. Also, Patrick Swayzey hated and tried it

1487
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 6: was like being a brat about He hated the line

1488
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 6: nobody puts baby in the corner. He thought it was

1489
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 6: really corny and he didn't want to say it, so

1490
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 6: he gave him like one take and then he said

1491
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 6: a pound watching it, he realized that they were right.

1492
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

1493
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 6: And it was a female producer who had the vision

1494
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,879
Speaker 6: and a female writer, and it was about her time growing.

1495
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: Up exactly, which I think is so key.

1496
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 5: I see that.

1497
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: Like a woman wrote it, because it really could have been.

1498
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 1: I think it's a better movie that it was written

1499
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: by a woman because it's more textured. It comes from

1500
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: the female perspective. It's like, it's not about like, oh,

1501
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: this is just like some teeny bopper fantasy shit. It's

1502
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: like us coming of age story. It makes it more

1503
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: of a coming of age story.

1504
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1505
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: It's lovely.

1506
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 2: It is like such an interesting movie because before I

1507
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 2: had seen it, I knew, like I knew of Dirty

1508
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 2: Dancing obviously, when did you know when I watched it

1509
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: for this, No, i'd seen it before. I'd seen it before.

1510
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 2: But when the first time I watched it, I remember

1511
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 2: being like, oh, this is like set in the fifties

1512
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,560
Speaker 2: or like the early sixties or whatever it is. And

1513
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, because like the music, it's sort

1514
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 2: of like anachronistic, a little bit like it takes place

1515
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 2: in the past with the present. I mean, it is

1516
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: sort of a it has sort of a surreal feeling.

1517
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 6: It's weird that, like there's nothing fifties about it. They

1518
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 6: made it very well. Also, like give the apparently the

1519
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 6: abortion storyline. They were trying to get sponsors or things.

1520
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 6: People kept trying to make them take out the abortion storyline.

1521
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 6: It's like, well then you don't have a story. You

1522
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 6: need the abortion otherwise that generates the whole I didn't understand,

1523
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 6: like she can't get the abortion because they lose this

1524
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 6: season's salary.

1525
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 5: I'm like at the shell Drake, like, I don't know

1526
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 5: what do you mean for the at.

1527
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 6: The at Kellerman's or the show, Like I don't understand

1528
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 6: and next year's gig anyway.

1529
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 5: But I was like, I just go with it.

1530
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was young, I had zero idea it

1531
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: was about abortion. I thought it was just like she

1532
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: has a mad stomach ache. I don't know what's going on.

1533
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 5: Said whatever, let's just get back to the dancing.

1534
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there any dance moves you do from this movie?

1535
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: Like you try to recreate at all your own personal life.

1536
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 5: I would want the left, I want the.

1537
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: Left, the lift. Yeah, when when Patrick Swayze is so

1538
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:13,440
Speaker 2: like the end scene.

1539
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: Coming up on the Yes, when those fuckers when his

1540
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: crew come down. Behind of the crew, those fuckers come

1541
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: through and they're all dancing in sync. I like, I

1542
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: can't stop shivering. It's the most amazing feeling in the world. Also, like,

1543
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 1: I think she gets this from me.

1544
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 6: And when the when the wife stands up to Jerry

1545
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 6: orr Box, she's like, sit down, Frank.

1546
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 5: And then he's like when when I'm wrong, I say

1547
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 5: I'm wrong, I'm like.

1548
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 6: Okay, well you can still give him a handshake because

1549
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 6: you eat it, you know what I mean that you're

1550
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 6: sitting like, but everyone's a good actress.

1551
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: Well, I'm like and two, speaking of you know the

1552
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: abortion sequence, I mean the woman Cynthia Rhodes who played

1553
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: that actress. She's hot as hell too.

1554
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 6: How about like kind of the like one guy to

1555
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 6: girls of when Cynthia is behind her and her hope,

1556
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 6: she just starts like basically she's in like a bra

1557
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 6: a sweaty like tank top tied up to her titties,

1558
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 6: like cute little like this could be a today, you know,

1559
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 6: you get it up skims, you know, like high racing

1560
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 6: under rear and then like a heel and then and

1561
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 6: then Cynthia's hands are on her little hips and then

1562
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 6: she's between she and Patrick Swazy. It's like full threesome

1563
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 6: sex party, Like good for them.

1564
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: That throuple is so like in that scene is so hot.

1565
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: It's like they knew they whoever filmed it, whoever wrote it,

1566
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: whoever fucking lit it. Yeah, exactly what was going on.

1567
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: They were like, here's the hottest people. Got to get

1568
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: in there, get them bellies, get the pans.

1569
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 2: Like get everything.

1570
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1571
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: I swear I could talk about this movie literally for

1572
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: years and years and years obsessed.

1573
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 2: Well, Arden, thank you, this was so.

1574
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 5: My cells are fine firing.

1575
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: I should just like start dirty dancing podcasts have the.

1576
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 6: Same talk every day literally just bringing up I remember

1577
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 6: back in the day, but I couldn't find it. I

1578
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 6: couldn't find it verified. I remember, now this makes sense

1579
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 6: now you would have a pasty. But apparently she wore

1580
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 6: band aids. Allegedly she were band aids on her nipples

1581
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 6: during the sex syne.

1582
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 5: But it's like, great, I don't blame her, I don't

1583
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 5: blame her.

1584
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 6: Like, but that was like, oh band aids on the

1585
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:30,759
Speaker 6: like at the time, that was pre pasty.

1586
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: Interesting, interesting, so many wonderful bits and fact you're truly

1587
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: an expert, like I've never met another person who knew

1588
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 2: as much about this movie.

1589
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 5: So well, thank you so much again.

1590
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 6: I also like doing podcasts, and so the ones, the

1591
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 6: ones I say yes to, I'm gonna come and give

1592
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 6: it my all, so that the assignment you call yourself

1593
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 6: an expert.

1594
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 5: Why don't you glance at the textbook before the quiz, bitch?

1595
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 3: You know?

1596
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Well, Arden, you're on the most recent

1597
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 2: season of the Righteous Gemstones and anything else happenings show.

1598
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 6: You get my book, little miss little Compton anywhere. I

1599
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 6: have a very fun, exciting secret thing coming up that

1600
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 6: I'll be in Atlanta filled me all summer, and then

1601
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 6: my podcast is on hiatus right now because it's in

1602
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 6: between seasons. But I have a FAMEDI podcast about the

1603
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 6: Bachelor franchise that honestly mostly talks about everything else.

1604
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 5: But it's colled except this rose. That's it.

1605
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 6: You can find me on Instagram. Arda Marine looks like Myron.

1606
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 5: M y are I am?

1607
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, Arden, this was this is

1608
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 2: an electric conversation.

1609
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 5: Well, I'm feeling excited.

1610
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 7: I feel excited about it.

1611
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so I guess it is now time for the end.

1612
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: Of the show where we always do employee picks, meaning

1613
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: Casey and I pick a film that we'd like to

1614
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: recommend for you. All that is related to our episode

1615
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: to day, and I guess our episode is about documentaries,

1616
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, we have any documentary that you want to recommend.

1617
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm gonna go.

1618
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 6: You know.

1619
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 2: I'm a bit of a homer. And I love the

1620
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 2: movie Drop Dead Gorgeous from We had already mentioned it

1621
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 2: in the show, but it is from nineteen ninety nine.

1622
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 2: It takes place in Minnesota, and I know a lot

1623
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 2: of people who are like extras in it or like

1624
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 2: in crowd scenes. It was a very big deal when

1625
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 2: it was shot here. It's a fake beauty it's a

1626
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 2: beauty pageant, and it's got Alison Janny Churse, Reality, Kirsten Dunst,

1627
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 2: Britney Murphy, Amy Adams, which Amy Adams was actual. She's

1628
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 2: not from Minnesota, but she got her she was acting

1629
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 2: in Minnesota. She got her start at the chan Hassen

1630
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 2: Dinner Theater in Minnesota and this was hand of her

1631
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: big break and allowed Amy Adams to Catapultan to start him.

1632
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: But I love this movie. It is really over the

1633
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: top and very silly and it takes a big swing

1634
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 2: and I just I love this. I don't know, I

1635
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 2: just love this movie so dearly. It was really hard

1636
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: to find for a long time, and now you can

1637
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 2: stream it. Yeah, check out dropped at Gorges.

1638
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good one, obviously, love that one. Love

1639
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: Smile nineteen seventy five. What you have to see now

1640
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,839
Speaker 1: that you've seen it, I know I've dropped out gorgeous

1641
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: so much, but a great one. So mine is a

1642
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: little bit. I actually haven't seen this in a very

1643
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 1: long time, but I fucking loved it when it came out.

1644
01:24:56,200 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: So there was a mockumentary that was it's technically a film,

1645
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: I believe, it was also a TV show and it

1646
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 1: was called Together two the number two and Together the

1647
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: rest of it Together, it.

1648
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 2: Was Together you yes, yes, I know Together.

1649
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: So it was an MTV show and film about this

1650
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: fake boy band. It came out in two thousands, so

1651
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: you know that the time is right. And it was

1652
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: basically a mockumentary about a band called Together that was

1653
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: like based on very like Backstreet Boys in Sync adjacent.

1654
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but the creators are Brian Gunn

1655
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 1: and Mark Gunn and they were related to James.

1656
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 2: Gunn, oh, which I was like, I didn't realize that,

1657
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: but I guess it makes sense.

1658
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: But they created this fake universe of this like fake

1659
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: boy band. I when I tell you, I was obsessed

1660
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: with this when it came out.

1661
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: I Oh, I was too. I loved this. Say it

1662
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 2: don't spray it. I want the news, not the weather.

1663
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 1: Do you remember they had that like rival band which

1664
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 1: I feel like was just called Whoa and.

1665
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 2: They had a song called rub one Out.

1666
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 3: Well.

1667
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 2: I could not get over. I thought it was so

1668
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 2: fucking funny that they were like all these young teeny

1669
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 2: bopper guys and then one of the guys is Kevin Farley,

1670
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 2: Chris Farley's brother, This like bald old guy in there,

1671
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 2: and it was just so fucking funny. Oh my god,

1672
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 2: he is incredible.

1673
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: The show is incredible, Like I gotta find it all,

1674
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: it's gotta be online. I feel like it. To me,

1675
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: it was like one of these things where it's like

1676
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: MTV is really bad at entertainment a lot of times,

1677
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: like they just throw shit up and see they don't

1678
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: even give a fuck. They're like it doesn't even matter.

1679
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: This was one of the things where I felt like

1680
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: they it almost felt like they were just like, hey,

1681
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: here's this like funny thing we can do that turned

1682
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: out to be actually funny and good.

1683
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I mean during this time too, like MTV

1684
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 2: was much better than it is now, which it's not

1685
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 2: really anything now, but they would like, you know, try

1686
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 2: something weird out once in a while, and this is

1687
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 2: like one of them that like actually hit you know,

1688
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 2: something of quality.

1689
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was so it's so funny and good

1690
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 1: and like I just remember cracking up. So anyway, that's

1691
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: my recommendation, either the movie or the TV show together.

1692
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 2: That is so I'm I'm so interested. So it's Brian

1693
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 2: and Mark Gunn, whose brother is James Gunn, who like

1694
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 2: did like Galaxy Guardians of the Galaxy movies and stuff.

1695
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 2: And then Sean Gunn who is an actor who is

1696
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 2: on The Gilmore Girls and was also in a TikTok

1697
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 2: recent like the audio from The Gilmore Girls of his

1698
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 2: voice went very viral and it's like, I love your daughter.

1699
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 2: Oh have you heard that one? That's that's Sean Gunn. Oh,

1700
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. That's crazy, Yeah, that's audio from

1701
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls. Anyways, very interesting talented family. Wow, wonderful. That's

1702
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 2: such a good one, Millie. I'm jealous of your pick.

1703
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. No, listen,

1704
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: I I'm glad we did this episode. I love I

1705
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: mean obviously talking to Arden Marine, I you saw me

1706
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: at my most feral, Okay, I was. It was a

1707
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: goddamn runaway train just then, like you really saw me

1708
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 1: in a space that I hold very near and dear

1709
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: to my heart. I don't show this often, but when

1710
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: I when it comes out, it comes out, you know

1711
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I just feel like she brought

1712
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,719
Speaker 1: it out in me. She brought out the feralness so well.

1713
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 2: It was that was a you know, I said that

1714
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: this word before. It was an electric conversation. And you know,

1715
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 2: if I had been standing in front of Millie, I

1716
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:03,839
Speaker 2: think she would have done one of those things where

1717
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 2: you know, you take you put your hand on someone's

1718
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 2: forehead to push them out of the way. I think

1719
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: that's that was metaphorically what was going on in that conversation.

1720
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 2: But I needed it. I need to get out of

1721
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 2: the way of the freight train. I had. You had

1722
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: to get out of the way for my own safety.

1723
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: Listen, sometimes it's like when it comes out of me,

1724
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: it comes out like love. I can't stop it. And

1725
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 1: I felt like, yeah, I feel so bad that you

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01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,440
Speaker 1: were a little sidelined there. But when you get two sidelines,

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Speaker 1: two fucking girls going hand.

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Speaker 2: No, let's go. It was a blast. And Arden is great.

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01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: Check her out the Righteous Gemstones. Her outfits are really

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01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 2: great on that too. I should have her, but she

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01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 2: was wonderful to have on the show. But yeah, if

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Speaker 2: you in the future, we can't skip our film advice

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Speaker 2: section today because we want to go a little bit

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Speaker 2: longer with Arden and our main convo. So but if

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Speaker 2: you need our advice, you know in the future, if

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Speaker 2: you need a specific recommend you need help navigating a

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01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 2: director's filmography, you need a film gripe resolved right in

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Speaker 2: record it in a quiet place, keep it under sixty seconds,

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Speaker 2: please please, please please.

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Speaker 2: we'd love that. It would mean the world.

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01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 1: So let's talk about next week.

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Speaker 2: Please.

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Speaker 1: We are going to talk a little bit about a

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Speaker 1: filmmaker named Barry Jenkins. I think you all know who

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Speaker 1: he is, director of Moonlight and if Beale Street could talk,

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Speaker 1: But we want to talk about his films and then

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01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: his like one of his very early movies, if not

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01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: his first movie.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Medicine for Melancholy. Right.

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Speaker 1: I feel like again we're talking about underrated films. I

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01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: feel like it's very underrated.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen it, Millie, Well you're going to watch it.

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01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 2: I am going to watch it.

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled you're going to give your opinion, all right,

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 1: I'm emotionally exhausted by all.

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01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 2: Of our topics. We laid it all out. We were

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01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 2: like Lebron James on the court, leaving it all out there.

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Speaker 1: I know. I feel like I'm at the bottom of

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01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: the staircase with the watermelon smash. Like I didn't carry

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01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,759
Speaker 1: a watermelon. I just am sitting in the juices.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, Milly for another fantastic episode

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01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 2: of Dear Movies. I love you. It was a real treat.

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Speaker 1: Yep you too. Thanks everybody, see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Milli to Chercho and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfolk. Our associate producer

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01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho, we love you, Goodbye

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Speaker 3: Ber