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Speaker 1: Today we have a special guest who's going to help

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Speaker 1: us get our bodies right from within. Alisha McCullough is

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Speaker 1: a licensed clinical mental health therapist and founder of Black

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Speaker 1: and Embodied Counseling and Consulting PLLC. She specializes in somatic therapy,

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Alisha also runs the self paced online course Reimagining Eating

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Speaker 1: Disorders one oh one. Alicia, we are so excited.

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Speaker 2: To have you here.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. I'm so excited to be here

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Speaker 2: with you all.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and we are definitely looking forward to this important conversation.

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Speaker 4: And so we're going to go to our quote of

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Speaker 4: the day, which will sound familiar to you because it

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Speaker 4: is one of the quotes from your book. Wow amazing. Yes,

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Speaker 4: So our quote of the day. Food is a spiritual practice.

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Speaker 4: Eating is a spiritual practice, Cooking is a spiritual practice.

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Speaker 4: Farming is a spiritual practice. Gardening is a spiritual practice.

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Speaker 4: Do you see how important food is to us as

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Speaker 4: a diaspora. And that quote is from Levon Briggs and

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Speaker 4: it can be found at the beginning of chapter six

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Speaker 4: in Alicia's book, Reclaiming the Black Body. And So, Alicia,

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Speaker 4: when you think about that particular quote, but then also

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Speaker 4: every quote that you added at the start of each

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Speaker 3: You one, I just want to say thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for starting us off with.

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Speaker 3: And you know, when I chose that quote for chapter six,

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Speaker 3: what really came up for me is that we are

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Speaker 2: So what is your origin story?

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Speaker 3: I love this question, Thank you so much for it.

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Speaker 3: So I am so I have so many ways I

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Speaker 3: You know, I came through a very Western, eurocentric academic system,

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Speaker 4: And then also pointing out that a lot of what

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that is a conversation like I'm sitting here

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Speaker 3: for example, the Western mental health system, it originated in racism, ableism, capitalism,

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Speaker 3: connection with my body look like? And so that was

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Speaker 3: like the thing that I noticed across our community was

439
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Speaker 3: that there was just not this base level understanding of

440
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 3: what does the connection with my body look like like?

441
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 3: Even when we have conversations of like self care, they'd

442
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 3: be like what is self care?

443
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: What is rest? What is slowing down? What is listening

444
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 2: to my body?

445
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 3: It's like none of those things were available, accessible, or

446
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 3: even like, you know, an idea for our community. And

447
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: so what I notice is that a lot of my

448
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 3: early kind of work with clients was really educating them

449
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 3: about their relationship with their body, and not in a

450
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 3: way of me being the expert, but me really putting

451
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 3: them back in the driver's seat and empowering them and saying,

452
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: you know your body the best. And while in this

453
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 3: moment it might be uncomfortable for me to ask you

454
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: to sit with this emotion, it might be uncomfortable, for example,

455
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 3: for you to ask me for advice and me to

456
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: actually say, you know the answer, like I would like

457
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: us to explore where that answer is in your body,

458
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 3: you know, for us to do that, They were like

459
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: what you want me to do? What? So there was

460
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: this level of this comfort, but ultimately, you know, it

461
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 3: was a thing that was needed to support them in

462
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 3: returning back to themselves.

463
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: And so that was my experience in what I noticed

464
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Speaker 2: across our community.

465
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: And then as I wrote this book, I actually went

466
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: through a process of knowing that I had to for

467
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: lack of a better term, walk the walk, you know,

468
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: I couldn't just talk to talk.

469
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: I had to walk the walk.

470
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: And so, for example, I was seeing clients, I was writing,

471
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: I was in my own therapy. I was talking to

472
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 3: my family about the things I was writing. I was

473
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: living in DC Washington, DC at the time, and I realized,

474
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, how am I going to write about a

475
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: book about embodiment, a book about slowing down and being

476
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 3: connected and healing trauma and returning back to ourselves. And

477
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: I'm not even you know, in that space where I'm

478
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 3: taking care of myself. And so that led me to say,

479
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: I need to take a step away from therapy. And

480
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 3: so I actually stopped direct therapy work in twenty twenty two.

481
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: And it was really hard for me because my whole

482
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: identity was wrapped in being a therapist and you know,

483
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: being a do all the things, being a business owner

484
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: and being a high achiever and being perfectionists and all

485
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: these things. But I decided, I said no, in order

486
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: for me to commit to this work, not only to

487
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 3: write about it, but to actually be it, I have

488
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 3: to stop, you know, doing the therapy. And so I

489
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 3: stopped doing the therapy and I spent all my days

490
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: waking up with yoga, with some sound bowls, with you know,

491
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 3: other modalities that were just about coming back to myself.

492
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 3: I went to coffee shops every day and would take

493
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 3: some time to write and then say I need a break.

494
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 3: So I'd take a break and you know, do whatever

495
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: I needed to do in that moment, and then come

496
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: back and say, Okay, you know, what does my body

497
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 3: need in this moment. And so it was about me

498
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: waking up and saying, you know, what's on my heart today,

499
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: what's in my body today, and really honoring that journey

500
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 3: and process. And it was painful at times, for example,

501
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: to talk about traumatic things that had happened in my

502
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 3: family and then you know, turn around and call my

503
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: family and then have to have the conversations of I

504
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: just wrote this in the book. Can we talk through

505
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: this experience because you know, at some point this is

506
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: going to be out in the world. Or even to

507
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: think back on client stories and you know, so many

508
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: beautiful moments that I'm so grateful for, but to have

509
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 3: to like go over that with my publishing team or

510
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: you know, with the client stories, or you know, other

511
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: aspects of the journey and so it required a lot

512
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 3: of vulnerability. It required a lot of like deep introspection

513
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: work and deep healing work for myself to manifest and

514
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: emerge this book. However, you know, even though the process

515
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: was really beautiful, it was hard. It was moments of prying,

516
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: it was moments of joy. It was moments of calling

517
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 3: friends and being like what am I doing? It was

518
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: moments of me looking at the book and being like

519
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 3: what am I doing. Ultimately, you know, as I came

520
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: to a completion of it, I look back on the

521
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: book and say said, Wow, this is not only something

522
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 3: that is for me, you know, in my journey, but

523
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 3: this is something that is touching people all over the world,

524
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 3: that's going to heal people all over the world, and

525
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 3: not just people that have an academic experience. But I

526
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: had my mother read the book. I've had my grandmother

527
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 3: read the book. I've had you know, people from all

528
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: walks and backgrounds you know read or you know, offer feedback,

529
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: and they all said that it feels very accessible to

530
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 3: them as well.

531
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Speaker 2: And so for me, it's like.

532
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Speaker 3: I've done a good job because I've basically made my

533
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: work accessible, made this work accessible. And also that's a

534
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 3: part of what decolonization looks like is returning back and

535
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: really like supporting the medicine that's within us and bringing

536
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 3: that forward into the collective. And I feel like I've

537
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: done that job in manifesting this book so beautiful.

538
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, Alicia. I kind of want to take a detour.

539
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: So you mentioned something about sharing your story and having

540
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: to pick up the phone and talk to your family.

541
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Speaker 1: And I know that everyone is not called to be

542
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: in a plat, you know, be on a platform and

543
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: share their story around the world or in a book,

544
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: but I know that for me and my healing journey,

545
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: it's required me to face my past and face some

546
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: of those stories, right and the people that contributed to

547
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: any pain or trauma? Are you what is your perspective

548
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: on us sharing our story, whether it's on a larger

549
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: scale or a smaller scale, but sharing our stories and

550
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: like facing the things that happened, and like managing those

551
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: family dynamics and relationships. I think dom and I hear

552
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: a lot about this from our listeners, where people want

553
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: to heal and they want to share those stories, but

554
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: they're afraid of what people in the family might say

555
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: or how they respond to that.

556
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: So what is your overall perspective on that.

557
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it is a responsibility when it comes

558
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: to sharing your story. And so something even I was

559
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: very mindful of is being intentional about what is mine

560
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 3: and what is other people's stuff?

561
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: Right like?

562
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: And that required so much like and really like it

563
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 3: required me sitting with my somatic therapists or I had

564
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: a smatic therapist and also just like a traditional therapist

565
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: as well, and so it required like this conversation of Okay,

566
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: I had this specific experience with a family member, you know,

567
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: and I want to talk about that, But how do

568
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: I want to talk about it? And so I said,

569
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the impact that it had

570
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: on me. So it's not about this family member did this, this, this,

571
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: and this right or and they're this, this and this

572
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: person and this is their history and why they've done this,

573
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: because that's now their story. That's now you know, me

574
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: externalizing the situation and placing blame, which you know, I'm

575
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: not opposed to that, but I also again going to

576
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 3: go back to being responsible with storytelling. And so for me,

577
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: it was about what is my shit and really getting

578
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: clear about that and then being able to like articulate

579
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: you know what the impact was in my life while

580
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: also holding space and grace for myself and how I

581
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: responded in those moments, quoting space and grace for the

582
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: person in those moments, I want to name that everybody

583
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: might not be at that place and that's okay, that's

584
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: not a requirement, and also to say like for me,

585
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: it was helpful. And so there would be times, for example,

586
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: where I might have called my mom and said like,

587
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: here's something I'm writing and she's like, well, that makes

588
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: the family look bad, and so then we have a

589
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: conversation of like, okay, well let's talk about you know

590
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: what's coming up for you and why you think this

591
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: makes the family look bad, and then being very clear

592
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: and boundary with you know, with different family members. And

593
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: I'll just use my mom as an example and say

594
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: telling her, okay, and I hear what you're naming and

595
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: saying about this, and I want to say this part

596
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: specifically is my story, and this is my boundaries around

597
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: that story. And I understand these other aspects of you

598
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: all story or your experience.

599
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: I respect that.

600
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: I honor that, and it's your story to tell, it's

601
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: your healing that you get to choose or not choose. However,

602
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 3: this is how I'm moving forward with it, and can

603
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: we come to an agreement or a compromise or even

604
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: an understanding of like what that looks like for me

605
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: to honor myself, for me to impact the world and

606
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: impact other people, while also you know, protecting you and

607
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: being mindful of you know, what.

608
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Speaker 2: Is yours consensual?

609
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: It's like that consent, bringing that consent in around like

610
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: what is okay were you? What is okay from your

611
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: story to share? Or what is just off limits from

612
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: your story to share? So having a lot of conversations

613
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: around consent boundaries, all the things like that was required,

614
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: while also in the moment having to regulate myself because

615
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: there be times I get triggered and activated and I'm like, okay,

616
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: what do I again as I'm having this conversation, what

617
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: do I need in this moment, as I'm speaking with her,

618
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: What's happening in my body as I'm speaking with her

619
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Speaker 3: another family member? So it was a lot of like

620
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: mental and emotional lady, and like the opportunity to share

621
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: a story, which is why I don't take it for

622
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: granted because it does require a lot.

623
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Speaker 4: Thank you for that, Yeah, I would imagine that well,

624
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: not what I would imagine. I know from personal experience

625
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: that it does require. It requires a lot, yeah, to

626
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: hold space for other people, particularly family members, and yourself simultaneously.

627
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: Yes. And so.

628
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Speaker 4: When you think about all of the work that you

629
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 4: are doing and have done to heal and to learn,

630
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: when it was all said and done, like the book is,

631
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: the book is being released, right, are there things that

632
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: you wish you would have done differently? That's a that's

633
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: a good question.

634
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm taking a pause, and I love a pause, like

635
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: they're really good for the nervous system. So you know,

636
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: you know, I think something that even I think about

637
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: now as I prepare for the launch and for the

638
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: tour is something I write about in the book as well,

639
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: is how specifically, as black women in films, we've been

640
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: conditioned not to step into our power and really own

641
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: the work that we've done and like take our authority

642
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: and leadership in that work. And I feel like we

643
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: have been taught so often be humble, you know, don't

644
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: be too boseful, you know, don't do the most, you know,

645
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: And so I will name like in the process of

646
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: writing the book, for example, I would run it to

647
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: people on the street or just be out and about

648
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: or writing even and people would say like, what are

649
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: you doing.

650
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: And I'd just be like, you know, I'm writing.

651
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: A book, and it's just like it's oh yeah, it's

652
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: just like a thing, right, And it's like no, like

653
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: I'm writing a book, right, Like I have the privilege

654
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: to write a book, like I am a steward of

655
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: this work, you know, and so like I one of

656
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: the things if I could go back, is like to

657
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: really step more into like my power and my confidence

658
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: and just owning like this is a huge experience and

659
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: it's such and again, it's such a privilege to be

660
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: able to do this work. And so even now, once

661
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: I'm preparing for the launch of this book, I notice

662
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: at times there's parts to me, you know, and I

663
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: explore those parts within myself that are like, hmm, I

664
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: want to shrink back out of the spotlight, or you know,

665
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about it too much, or

666
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to market it in this specific space,

667
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: and I'm like no, Like, you know, you've put in

668
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: all this work for four and a half years and

669
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: manifesting this book, you know, and it's time. It's time,

670
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: and it's not just about me. It's about the work

671
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,239
Speaker 3: in itself, the impact that it will have, you know.

672
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: And it's about like advocating for that word while also

673
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: honoring like me being able to bring this for into

674
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: the world.

675
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: And so that's the thing I would say.

676
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: It's like just being more in my confidence, my power

677
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: and inner authority.

678
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 2: And wait, that's unapologetic. That is so needed.

679
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: I think all black women need to hear that, because

680
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: I think many of us were told or have heard

681
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: in our lifetime like all you're supposed to be seen

682
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: and I heard, yeah, mid Is, don't be too humble.

683
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: And as soon as you get some confidence, then people

684
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: are like, oh, you think you all asked like what,

685
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 1: I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.

686
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: So exactly for thank you for that. That was a word.

687
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: So let's see try and think of where we want

688
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: to go with this. I wanted to ask you something

689
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: about food, but I also want to talk about when

690
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: you talked about just what it means to redeem our

691
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: black bodies, So maybe we can go there. What does

692
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: it mean to redeem our black bodies? And what are

693
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: some practical tools to redeem our bodies?

694
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful.

695
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: You know. The word that I'll use, I love redeem,

696
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: and the word I'll use to reclaim, because when I

697
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: think about systems of colonization, of enslavement, of capitalism, and

698
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: then all the systems birth from that, whether it's patriarchy, homophobia,

699
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: anti black racism, misogyny, or so many things that I

700
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: talk about in the book, a lot of it is

701
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 3: about this disconnection from self.

702
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: A big reason why our culture needs us.

703
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: Disconnected is so that we can continue to, for lack

704
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 3: of a better word, like make money for the people

705
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 3: that are at the top and not question it. You know,

706
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: that is the intention of capitalism. It's for us to

707
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: exhaust our bodies, for us to burn ourselves out at

708
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: the expense of our of ourselves for someone else. And so,

709
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: you know, when I think about reclamation, it's about saying

710
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: like hell no to that system and saying, you know,

711
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: my body, my life, you know what, my dreams, my goals,

712
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: my future, my visions are way more important than me

713
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: serving a system that was never intended, you know, to

714
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: serve me. And so when I think about that reclamation

715
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: process and about what returning means, it is these micro

716
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 3: moments of listening to ourselves. It's getting clear about what's

717
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: on our hearts, what's in our en especially for those

718
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: of us whohole wombs, what's in our wombs? And how

719
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: are those wombs which are portals, what are they communicating

720
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: to us? It's getting clear, but with an oriented and

721
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: a line between the mind body spirit connection and recognizing

722
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: that we're just not here on accident, We're just not

723
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: here floating around in space, but that we're here intentionally

724
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: and really being mindful about that process of I'm here

725
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 3: intentionally and for what, you know, what is my special flavor?

726
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: What is my special you know thing that I'm bringing

727
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: into this existence in this specific time, in this specific lifetime.

728
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: And so we're so much bigger and I want folks

729
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: to know that then going to work every day, coming home,

730
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: you know, getting some food in our bodies, and then

731
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 3: going to sleep and doing it all over again.

732
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: Like, we're way much more than that.

733
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: And so reclamation is recognizing that and saying, like, who

734
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: am I outside of those systems?

735
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 2: You know? Who am I? Outside of what I do? Even?

736
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: Who am I when I'm just being when I'm just

737
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: sitting down and I don't have anything else to do,

738
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: and I just can be in my thoughts and I

739
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: can imagine, and I can dream and I can rest.

740
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: What is that? Who is that person?

741
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: And so, you know, a big part of slowing down

742
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: and recognizing that is the questions of, you know, what

743
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: is my body needing this moment? Where am I holding

744
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: a specific emotion in my body? What is that emotion need?

745
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: Does it have a color, does it have a texture,

746
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: does it have a flavor? You know, having those conversations

747
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: with yourself, and then you know, through that experience, you know,

748
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: slowing down and making sure that you're meeting your neees,

749
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: but not just your knees, but your wants, your desires

750
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: and everything else you know, beyond that as well. And

751
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: so when I think about specifically the relationship with food,

752
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: I slow down and say, this is just one aspect

753
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: of that. And so as I'm showing up in my

754
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: relationship with food, how does food support me to be present?

755
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: How is food supporting me and feeling nourished?

756
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 3: How is food supporting me for example, and ensuring that

757
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 3: my body's like actual organs are functioning in the most

758
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: way that support my vitality, you know, like it's about

759
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: really honoring the holistic self, so that we can like

760
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: show up for ourselves and have these conversations and we're

761
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: not working from a space of deficit or depletion, but

762
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 3: from a space of an abundance and fullness and wholeness

763
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: when we show.

764
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: Up all right now, not as probably said this ten

765
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: times already, but that was a beautiful response. And I

766
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: don't know you have me at holistic self. So I

767
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: think it might be time to shift up the energy

768
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: of this conversation, Alicia. And because we recognize, appreciate, and

769
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: celebrate the multifaceted woman, and we believe that it's okay

770
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: to be bougie, classy and ratchet. You can still be

771
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: elegant and dance to strip club music if you so choose,

772
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: we want to invite you to the ou blatchet segment.

773
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: Do you take on the challenge?

774
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: I take it on?

775
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we got our domb Okay. So now that

776
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: you've agreed, we're gonna tell you what to expect. So

777
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: we are going to ask you three questions. We're gonna

778
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: share three sentence completions, and then we have some photos

779
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: pulled up a view from social media, and these told

780
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: us a look bad okay, and so what we want

781
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: you to do it, Yes, we want you to choose

782
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: a photo. You're gonna choose a number out of one

783
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: and three, and we'll share that photo on the big screen,

784
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: and you will give us some context about the photo

785
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't know just by looking at it. Okay,

786
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: we're going to ease onto this segment. The first question

787
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: for you is what's the best piece of wisdom or

788
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: advice you've ever received?

789
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: I would say, and so it might be cliche, but

790
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: really be yourself.

791
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: Be yourself.

792
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just want to add a little bit

793
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: to that and say, I think it's so convenient and

794
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 3: it's so easy to like shift ourselves for other people

795
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: and to and a lot of times we downplay what

796
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,479
Speaker 3: we need to keep people in our lives or even

797
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: to get the things we think we want, you know,

798
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 3: but what I tell myself is like, no, be yourself,

799
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: and everything you desire and want will be attracted towards you.

800
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: Like you're just in the energy of everything you want

801
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: by just being you. And so that's that's what I

802
00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: would say. Yes, that's so beautiful. Okay, all right, So

803
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: you know, in the spirit.

804
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 4: Of being yourself, when you're out and about, or maybe

805
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 4: you're at home and one of your favorite songs comes on.

806
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 4: Are you going to twerk? Or two Steps? I love it?

807
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Well, I was just named.

808
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: I have a very diverse music experience, like taste, but right.

809
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: Now I've really been into some glorilla. So yeah, you know,

810
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a little ratchet, be a little rachet,

811
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: you know.

812
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: Do a little to Memphis. What you know about me? Yay?

813
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 2: Love it?

814
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: Yes, it's literally that, like I will twork. I will

815
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: be saying I'll be rapping in the house. So yeah,

816
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: I'm into it all. It's a vibe.

817
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: We love it. We love it.

818
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So our last question for you in this segment

819
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: is what's the sexiest item you own?

820
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: Yes, so I have some lingerie.

821
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll tell my fams, Like, let's log off the podcast.

822
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 4: Right forward for the next couple of minutes.

823
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: Please, But yeah, I have this little set, you know,

824
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: and I have this little cute, little black set actually

825
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: work this weekend, so yeah, you know, I feel so

826
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: confident in it. I like looking in the mirror and

827
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: doing like mirror work with this outfit on, and I

828
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: just feel so like sexy and full and all delicious

829
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: and all the beautiful words, and so yeah, I would

830
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: say that's like the sexiest thing I have right now.

831
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 3: It's just like black little Corsett broad type of thing.

832
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

833
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 4: See you Okay, all right, all right, family can tune

834
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: back in now. Yes, and you know we're going to

835
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: move on to the sentence completion. So our first sentence completion,

836
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 4: one question or topic I wish people asked me about

837
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 4: more often is.

838
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: I think it would be my experience living outside of

839
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: the United States.

840
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: It's been so transformative for me moving outside of the

841
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: US and living in Mexico, and I just you know,

842
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: hope and wish more people would ask me about that

843
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: experience so that I can talk more about it and

844
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: hopefully encourage other people if it feels accessible and right

845
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: for them to make that move as well.

846
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: Well, mate, wait, are you in Mexico right now?

847
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: I am. I live in Mexico.

848
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: I got my I got my everything, Like.

849
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: Congratulations, oh in your life. Okay, well you're not going

850
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: to believe this, Alesia. So our next sentence completion is

851
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: what I would tell everyone about living in Mexico is.

852
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, yes, beautiful, Okay, I would tell folks that

853
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: it is. It's like being in another world in a

854
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: way that it's like you get to discover who you

855
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: are outside of all the systems of a depression that

856
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: we learn in the States, and so you get to

857
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 3: become another person.

858
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: That actually is like living in the liberation.

859
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: It's not just talking about it, it's like being in

860
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 3: it in the moment every day.

861
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 6: That sounds amazing. Can we come down the yeah, come on,

862
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 6: we need this. Yes, yes, country, Yes, Okay.

863
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: So our final sentence completion, I think it ties perfectly

864
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: with our first question or your answer to our first question.

865
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 4: So our final sentence completion is What I love most

866
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 4: about myself is.

867
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: I love this.

868
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: What I love most about myself is my intuition and

869
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: she never stares me wrong. I trust her even when

870
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what might be on the other side.

871
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: Even in this moved to Mexico, I'm like Mexico, like,

872
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: what the hell you know? But I trusted the journey

873
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Speaker 3: and process and it's been so beautiful and worth it.

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Speaker 3: And so my favorite thing about myself that I love

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Speaker 3: is my intuition.

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Speaker 2: Yes, amen to that awesome, Well, we are so excited.

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Speaker 1: These answers were amazing and we're so excited for this

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Speaker 1: next segment because we have a photo pulled up.

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Speaker 2: We have three photos pulled up, actually, Lisha, and.

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Speaker 1: What we want you to do is choose a number

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Speaker 1: out of one in three and then we'll share that

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Speaker 1: one photo on the screen for you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm feeling too Okay, Oh this is cute.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So really quick before I share the photo, Alicia,

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Speaker 1: if you can describe the photo first for the people

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Speaker 1: who are only tuning into the audio, and then those

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Speaker 1: that are tuning in on video on our Patreon, they

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Speaker 1: will see the video or they'll see the photo. So

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Speaker 1: you can describe the photo first and then give us

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Speaker 1: some context about this photo that we would not know

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Speaker 1: just by looking at it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, perfect, Oh yes, okay, So for folks that are listening,

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Speaker 3: this is a photo of me. I have on a

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Speaker 3: Yello it's not like a gym outfit, but it's like

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Speaker 3: Yitty Lizzo's company, shout out to her. But I have

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Speaker 3: on my Yiddy yellow brawlet, and then some like biker

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Speaker 3: shorts that are yellow as well, some white nikes and

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Speaker 3: a Nike pullover what is it called wind jacket? And

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Speaker 3: then I have like a little pouch wrapped around my waist,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like guarding my I have one of my

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Speaker 3: hands up guarding my face from the sun, and the

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Speaker 3: other hand is just like holding my glasses, which is.

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Speaker 2: Like, why am I hold of my glasses in one

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Speaker 2: hand and guarding my face from the sun. But that's

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Speaker 2: another that's a whole other thing.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's been a photo, okay, y'all.

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Speaker 3: And then I'm standing in front of this very colorful

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Speaker 3: fruit area that's here in Mexico. And so just for

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Speaker 3: context of this photo, I had some friends visit me.

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Speaker 3: They were my first guests here in Mexico. They visited

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Speaker 3: me back in March, and I'm just showing them around

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Speaker 3: everywhere my neighborhood, different restaurants, bars, and I said, I

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Speaker 3: want y'all to also see, like this place that I

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Speaker 3: go to buy my fresh fruit vegetables. It's you know,

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Speaker 3: pretty affordable, but it's also really good for the body.

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Speaker 2: And that you know, everything here is fresh.

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Speaker 3: There's no like chemically processed things mixed with pesticides in

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Speaker 3: this fruteria. Like everything's coming directly from the land. They

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Speaker 3: can name exactly where it's coming from. And so I

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Speaker 3: really wanted them to have that experience. And then after bird,

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Speaker 3: I was like, well, let's catchure some little photos because

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Speaker 3: I'm looking cute. So then that's what led to this photo.

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Speaker 3: And that's just the background of that experience as well.

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Speaker 4: To you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we love that, Yes, thank you for playing along

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is great.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we appreciate it. And so as we are coming

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Speaker 4: to a close with this amazing interview, there's so many

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Speaker 4: more questions we could ask and we could totally keep

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Speaker 4: this conversation going, but we want to be mindful of

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Speaker 4: your time. Ay list, you're in Mexico, and so when

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Speaker 4: you think about what's next to you, what's coming up,

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Speaker 4: what what's in the plan? And then also can you

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Speaker 4: tell our listeners where they can find their copy of

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Speaker 4: Reclaiming the Black Body?

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Speaker 3: Of course absolutely, what's next for me is really being

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Speaker 3: in the presence of joy and of celebration for this

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Speaker 3: book launch. I know I'll be going back to the

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Speaker 3: States and visiting a couple cities, I'll be talking to

942
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Speaker 3: more folks for different interviews, podcasts, speaking engagements, and so

943
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Speaker 3: really being in the experience of like all of that,

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Speaker 3: I do feel already in my heart and in my

945
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Speaker 3: gut that I do have another book within me, and

946
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Speaker 3: a lot of that is the experiences that I've gained

947
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Speaker 3: since leaving the US and really talking and expanding on

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Speaker 3: my work of what it looks like for our relationships

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Speaker 3: with our body and with food when we're not in

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Speaker 3: that specific place.

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Speaker 2: And so that's like something that's on the horizon.

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00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: That's something that I've been massaging and just feeling into

953
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Speaker 3: and so that's kind of like a future thing. And

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Speaker 3: outside of that is really just to continue to enjoy life.

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Speaker 2: Like I get off work, I go to the beach.

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Speaker 3: I literally I live right off of the beach right now,

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Speaker 3: so I just go downstairs. I'm on the beach, and

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm i have amazing friends here, amazing community,

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Speaker 3: I'm an amazing partnership, and so just like being in

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Speaker 3: like the joy and fullness of all of these beautiful experiences.

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Speaker 3: And then for folks that are interested in want to

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Speaker 3: find me, you can find me on my website at

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Speaker 3: Blackenembody dot com, on Instagram at black and Embodied, TikTok

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Speaker 3: and black and Embodied, so everywhere at Black and Body

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Speaker 3: you can find me. But I do look word to

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Speaker 3: connecting with you all, and thank you all for buying

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Speaker 3: the book. It is available on Amazon Books a million,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Lucia, this was such an amazing conversation.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you and your work so much, and lady

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Alesha, this was amazing.

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