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Speaker 1: Pushkin.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Dear, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Do people ever approach you to tell you that you

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Speaker 3: sound just like Jackie from Heavyweight?

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Speaker 2: No, that can't happen.

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Speaker 1: If they did, would you tell me or you would

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Speaker 1: feel like it would?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Of course I would not share it.

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Speaker 3: So how do I know if someone has said it?

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Speaker 3: You don't someone has said it, haven't they? No, Johnny,

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Speaker 3: you paused before you said no, I'll.

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Speaker 5: Like not but like been a long time from now.

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Speaker 1: In a soon time from now, right soonish, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Trying to break up john I'm trying to break up

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Speaker 6: with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can't break up with me because I'm breaking

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Speaker 1: up with you.

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Speaker 5: Do you want to see who hangs up first?

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Speaker 1: I don't. It's like a duel rat from Gimblet Media.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is Heavy Wait Today's episode Annie.

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Speaker 1: Right after the break.

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Speaker 3: Every day I receive emails from people looking to make

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Speaker 3: peace with the past, resolved some long standing hurt that

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Speaker 3: still nags at them. These are emails filled with regret

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Speaker 3: and reflection, carefully chosen words labored over sentences. Annie's email

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Speaker 3: possessed none of these elements. Annie's email possessed a lot

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Speaker 3: of exclamation points and words in all caps. The story

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Speaker 3: she told was of her uncle in all the ways

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Speaker 3: he had wronged her over the years. The infractions Annie

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Speaker 3: described were really pretty small, but her anger was enormous.

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Speaker 3: Annie was gearing up for a face off. She even

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Speaker 3: signed her email let the conference begin, punctuated by two

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Speaker 3: exclamation points. I was conflicted. On the one hand, I

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Speaker 3: was horrified by Annie's willingness to cause such a royal stink,

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Speaker 3: But on the other hand, I was delighted by Annie's

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Speaker 3: willingness to cause such a royal stink. Who among us

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Speaker 3: hasn't wished at some point that we could call people

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Speaker 3: out on the little things that hurt us. After all,

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Speaker 3: most often it's the mini bite sized betrayals and small

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Speaker 3: slights that really eat us up. But for fear of

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Speaker 3: being called petty, we pretend to let it all go.

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Speaker 3: But not Annie. I did, indeed want to see someone

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Speaker 3: join Annie on her healing journey of screaming and yelling.

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Speaker 3: I just didn't want it to be me, my producer.

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Speaker 3: Khalila is not me. She is also quite possibly Annie's

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Speaker 3: complete opposite. Khalila is undisposed to confrontation. She told me

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Speaker 3: she once had a job where, rather than cause a fuss,

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Speaker 3: she allowed her coworkers to mistakenly refer to her as

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Speaker 3: Callie for four years. Khalila could help Annie and maybe

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Speaker 3: along the way a little Annie would rub off on her,

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Speaker 3: and even better, I wouldn't have to get involved in

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Speaker 3: this mess at all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I had a different thought about this one, and so

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Speaker 3: I lay out the plan to Khalila. I will pass

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Speaker 3: the baton to her so that both she and Annie

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Speaker 3: can grow into their best selves. I was thinking, you know,

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Speaker 3: I would sit this one out and allow you your

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Speaker 2: So you want to send me into a cringy situation instead.

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Speaker 1: I think so mm hmmm.

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Speaker 3: I feel like an armchair colonel dispatching a foot soldier

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Speaker 3: on my behalf. I have to stay behind and do paperwork.

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Speaker 2: Right, and I have to go out there and get shot.

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Speaker 3: I do feel like you can offer support and she can,

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Speaker 3: like maybe teach you something as well.

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Speaker 2: Here comes wellness.

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Speaker 1: What did you just swallow? Is that saliva?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Really? Yeah? In spite of what Jonathan might think,

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Speaker 2: Annie and I actually have a lot in common.

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Speaker 6: My favorite food is breakfast.

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Speaker 2: I mean too, I have a breakfast tattoo.

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Speaker 6: Stop it, Yeah, I have breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Annie goes by two different names, Annie and Andrea, and

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Speaker 2: so do I, Khalila and Kaylee. While in for four

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Speaker 2: a weird obsession with cows. But of course there's the

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Speaker 2: one key way in which Annie and I are different.

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Speaker 2: Annie has no problem causing a fuss, and as for.

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Speaker 1: Me, good morning, good morning?

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Speaker 2: Is this Joe?

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Speaker 7: It is?

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Speaker 2: This is talking to Joe. Joe is the audio engineer

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Speaker 2: I hired to record Annie's side of the conversation. Annie

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Speaker 2: and I are talking over the phone. I'm in New York.

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Speaker 2: Annie's at Joe's studio in Seattle. Are you guys all

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Speaker 7: Normally about five minutes?

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Speaker 2: Okay? By okay, I mean this is not okay. The

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Speaker 2: great Canadian documentarian Jonathan Goldstein once told me that the

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Speaker 2: way one captures the magic is to abr always be recording.

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Speaker 2: So when I booked studio time, I asked Joe repeatedly

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Speaker 2: seems to be taking pictures of his dog Domino. But

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Speaker 2: I would never confront Joe about this, because that is

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Speaker 2: not the person I am. The person I am would

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Speaker 2: rather take on huge amounts of discomfort myself than make

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Speaker 2: being outright cruel to me, it always feels like, well,

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Speaker 2: their intentions are probably good, and so I tell myself

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Speaker 2: Joe's just doing his best, and I wait a few

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Speaker 2: more minutes, Hello, are you recording? Joe? No machines are

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Speaker 2: firing up right now, which for listeners unfamiliar with the

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Speaker 2: more technical aspects of podcasting, the process of going from

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Speaker 2: not recording to recording consists of raising your forefinger and

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Speaker 2: then lowering it onto the record button. Yet ten minutes in,

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Speaker 2: I'm still just listening to Joe rustle around in a

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Speaker 2: I make small talk about the weather, about how it's February,

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Speaker 2: tewod a lotitudes and zero's in the date today.

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Speaker 4: I am sorry?

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Speaker 7: Who am I talking to on the phone?

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Speaker 2: Khalila Khalia?

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Speaker 1: Could you speak for just a few moments and just

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Speaker 2: Sure are you recording? Uh?

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Speaker 4: Just about I'm just kind of focusing the mic and

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Speaker 2: Well. I make problems worse by pretending that there is

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Speaker 2: no problem. Annie makes problems worse by flying off the handle.

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Speaker 2: Oh great, thank you, Joe. And once we can finally

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Speaker 2: start talking, Annie explains how this is precisely what happened

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Speaker 2: with her uncle.

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Speaker 8: I really look up and admire my uncle.

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Speaker 2: Annie's uncle Tim is like an old fashioned cowboy out

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Speaker 2: of a Western. When she was a kid, her family

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Speaker 8: I loved going to Utah. I loved it. I couldn't

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Speaker 8: everybody else was staying at Grandma's down the street, and

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Speaker 9: Him teaching me how to milk cows.

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Speaker 8: And I got a special title when all the cows

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Speaker 9: I was the dippy girl.

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Speaker 2: Tim only became more important to Annie as her other

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Speaker 2: family dwindled. Her dad died when she was a teenager,

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Speaker 2: people could be taken from you. She wanted to hold

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Speaker 2: to hold on to Tim. All through her teen years.

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Speaker 2: Annie continued to visit Tim on the farm, and after

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Speaker 2: would go out to eat, attend baseball games together. But

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Speaker 2: in recent years something's changed.

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Speaker 8: Now they'll come a couple times a year, and they

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Speaker 8: don't tell me, and I don't hear from my mom

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Speaker 8: when they're coming. This isn't something that happens like occasionally.

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Speaker 8: This is now every time they come here.

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Speaker 2: How long has what been going on for?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: Like years?

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Speaker 9: I would have to say at least ten.

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Speaker 2: For ten years now. When Tim and his wife come to town,

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Speaker 2: they always hang out with Annie's mom, but not with Annie.

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Speaker 2: Annie has countless stories of being left out, each more

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Speaker 2: hurtful than the last.

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Speaker 9: Got a couple of favorites.

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Speaker 2: Yeah please, Okay, So I'd.

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Speaker 8: Called my mom and I'm on Fourth Avenue.

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Speaker 2: The details of these stories are convoluted, and understanding the

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Speaker 2: true extent of each slight requires a greater knowledge of

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Speaker 2: Seattle geography than this reporter possesses. There was a time

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Speaker 2: Tim and his wife went to some big ferris wheel

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Speaker 2: called the Great Wheel, and Annie was not invited, even

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Speaker 2: though it's only two blocks from her office.

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Speaker 9: I can see it out the window of my office.

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Speaker 2: But then there was the night they said they were

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Speaker 2: it turned out that really they were all eating right

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Speaker 2: around the corner at the Space Needle. But the final straw,

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Speaker 2: the incident that made Annie write into the show, occurred

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: Annie's mom was visiting Tim in Utah. One morning, Annie

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Speaker 8: And she's, oh, oh, yeah, no, we're all at breakfast

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Speaker 8: And I was like, oh, that's fun.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys at Maddox Maddox being a restaurant in Utah.

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Speaker 2: Annie's mom didn't answer. Instead, she put Annie on speakerphone

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Speaker 2: so Annie could chat with her cousin Tyler, And I

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Speaker 9: Oh, you guys at Maddocks, What are you guys doing?

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Speaker 9: And He's like, no, we came.

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Speaker 2: Here here being not Utah, here being Seattle. It turned

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Speaker 2: out the whole family had flung back to Seattle together

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Speaker 8: I said, what now, I said, we're here, We're at

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Speaker 8: We're with your mom. I'm on her phone. We're at

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Speaker 8: Patty's Egg's Nest. In the background, I hear my mom

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Speaker 8: tell her we call her back.

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Speaker 2: We're eating.

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Speaker 8: I am like twelve minutes away from these people. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely understand that.

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Speaker 8: And I totally listen. I think I blacked out. I

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Speaker 8: don't know what happened, but something inside me snapped.

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Speaker 4: I was so.

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Speaker 8: Mad that I said, listen, you tell her that if

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Speaker 8: you are indeed out at breakfast at the Patty's Eggs Nest,

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Speaker 8: do not bother calling me back.

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Speaker 9: And I hung up.

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Speaker 2: When she gets angry like this, Annie's family dismisses her

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Speaker 2: as just being dramatic, which makes Annie even angrier. After

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Speaker 2: this breakfast situation, I had an absolute temper tantrum on Facebook.

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Speaker 2: What did you say?

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Speaker 8: Oh God, I'm cringing because this is what I did.

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Speaker 8: I make a post that says, PSA, uh, if you

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Speaker 8: are at a gathering with family and not all your

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Speaker 8: family in the area has been invited.

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Speaker 9: You are an asshole. I can see that.

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Speaker 8: When I'm hurt like this, like just so deeply that

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Speaker 8: it really manifest is anger.

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Speaker 2: I never allow myself luxury of that kind of anger.

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Speaker 2: I've had family vacations planned with no consideration for my schedule,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, Well, do you want to hear my side

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Speaker 2: So to Angie, this whole breakfast blow up was, to

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Speaker 6: You know, this is a mad dash rush to get

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Speaker 2: In her telling like she didn't even know that the

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Speaker 6: Oh yes she did, yes, Oh yeah, Okay, then there

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Speaker 6: There's always drama surrounding Annie. She's really got in her

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Speaker 2: After getting off the phone, I don't know whether to

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Speaker 2: need some sort of tiebreaker. I'd need to hear from

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Speaker 11: I'm at work, but I'm totally free right now. But

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Speaker 2: Take care of them and Annie's sister Jamie.

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Speaker 5: Dealing with my own drama over here, my fiance of

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Speaker 6: Has moved out.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: My sister's drama. Everyone in Nannie's family speaks of a

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Speaker 2: similar affect. Talking to them feels a bit like watching

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Speaker 2: I asked, Savannah, is this happening or not? Is any

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: They come out a lot and they don't invite her.

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Speaker 2: Are you getting invited to this stuff?

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Speaker 11: I do not care. I definitely have one of those

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Speaker 11: I'm just kind of like, okay, don't with the door

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Speaker 11: Why why don't you want to hang.

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Speaker 11: Or like what what's going on? Hold on, have a

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Speaker 2: Where do you work? By the way, Seattle sun tan

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Speaker 2: Oh it's it like a tanning place. Yes, it's Seattle

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Speaker 2: Suntana tanning place. I can't. I believe this family's happiness

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Speaker 5: Somebody called me and said, hey, you want to go

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Speaker 2: She's stuck with just a boring, old family family. Her

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Speaker 2: Annie is a part of I mean, the whole gang

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Speaker 2: I'm a little paranoid. I'm like gonna get stuck there

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Speaker 2: And so I email Annie and ask for her uncle's

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Speaker 4: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hi Is this Tim? Yes, Hi, this is I try

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Speaker 2: I learned a good lesson about personal resilience, and as

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Speaker 2: I bother on, I keep hoping Tim will cut me off,

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Speaker 2: Annie actually had reached out to us about some stuff

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Speaker 2: Whereas Annie has poured over the details a million times.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, like I think from her perspective, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I love Annie to death.

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Speaker 7: I mean, from the time Annie was a teenager, me

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Speaker 4: I hope she's ain't got something against me.

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Speaker 7: I would never intentionally make any films bad ever, And

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Speaker 7: I haven't talked to her for quite a while, and

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Speaker 2: In an effort to get the reconciliation train chugging along,

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Speaker 2: Let's do a zoom.

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Speaker 4: I did try one of them zoom or whatever they are.

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Speaker 4: I have trouble hearing.

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Speaker 7: And the joke has been boy, I love to keep

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Speaker 7: I'll call her and just talk to her, and if

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Speaker 2: Time to sit back and wait for the Catharsist to

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Speaker 2: to expect his call, but for days she heard nothing.

445
00:26:12,730 --> 00:26:14,369
Speaker 12: At first, I was kind of like, what the hell?

446
00:26:14,409 --> 00:26:16,490
Speaker 12: I would have called my niece right away, and then

447
00:26:16,530 --> 00:26:18,490
Speaker 12: I kind of, you know, I kind of circled back

448
00:26:18,530 --> 00:26:20,729
Speaker 12: into like, oh, he must be really trying to come

449
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:23,489
Speaker 12: up with like a thoughtful response to me. You know,

450
00:26:23,609 --> 00:26:25,769
Speaker 12: maybe he's just feeling really bad.

451
00:26:26,730 --> 00:26:31,770
Speaker 2: And then Tim did call, Oh, he called my mother.

452
00:26:33,250 --> 00:26:36,129
Speaker 2: After speaking to me, Tim reached out not to Annie

453
00:26:36,530 --> 00:26:41,009
Speaker 2: but to Annie's mom, his middleman, Angie. Angie spoke with

454
00:26:41,050 --> 00:26:43,929
Speaker 2: Tim the same way she did with me, contradicting Annie's

455
00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:47,449
Speaker 2: timeline and basically reminding Tim of how dramatic Annie can be.

456
00:26:48,490 --> 00:26:53,570
Speaker 2: And in Angie's telling, I'd become an extension of this drama. Apparently,

457
00:26:54,010 --> 00:27:00,250
Speaker 2: Angie and Tim call me the podcast lady. I hope

458
00:27:00,250 --> 00:27:04,050
Speaker 2: I'm not like making things worse by calling this.

459
00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:06,410
Speaker 12: This is always how, this is what, this is what

460
00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:09,369
Speaker 12: it is, and this is why I emailed in the beginning.

461
00:27:17,530 --> 00:27:19,929
Speaker 2: I'm out of my depth. So I call up the

462
00:27:19,929 --> 00:27:24,889
Speaker 2: person who got me into this mess to begin with, Hello, Jonathan.

463
00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:28,209
Speaker 3: Hey, Hoggie wants to say, Hi, Hi.

464
00:27:28,129 --> 00:27:33,410
Speaker 2: Agye, how are you good? Glad to hear what's up?

465
00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:34,810
Speaker 10: Well?

466
00:27:35,209 --> 00:27:39,090
Speaker 2: You know I'm doing that anything that you told me to.

467
00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:44,730
Speaker 1: Do today's episode, right? Any mm hmm.

468
00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:50,649
Speaker 2: I basically I thought things were going pretty well and

469
00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:53,810
Speaker 2: now things are not going well. I explained the whole

470
00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:56,969
Speaker 2: fiasco to Jonathan Mike called it Tim. Tim's called a

471
00:27:57,010 --> 00:27:59,649
Speaker 2: angie my now being the podcast lady.

472
00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:03,649
Speaker 3: So they see they see her contacting a podcast as

473
00:28:04,409 --> 00:28:07,769
Speaker 3: kind of a dramatic flourish, right, right, So you're at

474
00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:09,810
Speaker 3: that point where you feel like you're making things worse,

475
00:28:09,929 --> 00:28:12,530
Speaker 3: not better. See, it's very familiar to me. It's it's

476
00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:17,050
Speaker 3: always uh, there is always that risk. Sometimes it just

477
00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:21,690
Speaker 3: takes time. I think that's the thing, Like that's the

478
00:28:21,689 --> 00:28:26,529
Speaker 3: the money loser of our operation. I think it's just

479
00:28:26,609 --> 00:28:29,770
Speaker 3: you can't rush these things. Do you call him Uncle

480
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:33,210
Speaker 3: Tim when you talk to Annie? No, well maybe that's

481
00:28:33,209 --> 00:28:36,330
Speaker 3: the problem. You have to become embedded as one of

482
00:28:36,369 --> 00:28:38,249
Speaker 3: the family, and a part of that is referring to

483
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:39,410
Speaker 3: him as uncle Tim.

484
00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:40,650
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.

485
00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:45,289
Speaker 1: John, you see too much go game. Did you know

486
00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:49,090
Speaker 1: that John Stewart's middle name was Stuart? Is that his

487
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:50,290
Speaker 1: real last name is Leeboys?

488
00:28:50,530 --> 00:28:54,729
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but this is great. I mean this is

489
00:28:54,770 --> 00:28:57,050
Speaker 3: great for me. It's like I'm on holiday. I've put

490
00:28:57,050 --> 00:28:59,490
Speaker 3: a pin in this whole cat's in the cradle situation.

491
00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:01,650
Speaker 3: I'm spending much more time with Ougi and it's just

492
00:29:01,650 --> 00:29:05,250
Speaker 3: been it's been fabulous. Aggy I think you should maybe

493
00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:10,250
Speaker 3: put that down, Honey, that's not a toy. He's holding

494
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:13,530
Speaker 3: a big mallet.

495
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:15,250
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I hope.

496
00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:18,690
Speaker 2: So does this help? So you're saying, give it a

497
00:29:18,730 --> 00:29:20,130
Speaker 2: few days to play.

498
00:29:19,930 --> 00:29:22,330
Speaker 1: Out, Yeah, give it, give it a few days.

499
00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:29,890
Speaker 2: I give it a few days, then a few more days,

500
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:33,810
Speaker 2: then a few more, then a few weeks. Just to

501
00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:38,290
Speaker 2: be safe. I talked to your uncle a month ago. Yeah,

502
00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:43,410
Speaker 2: he said he was gonna call you and nothing. Jonathan

503
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:46,009
Speaker 2: told me to give it time. The time has gotten

504
00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:49,330
Speaker 2: me nowhere. So I gear myself up to be the

505
00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:52,770
Speaker 2: pushiest I've ever been in my life, and the sweatiest

506
00:29:53,410 --> 00:29:54,489
Speaker 2: and the highest pitched.

507
00:29:55,410 --> 00:29:55,570
Speaker 1: Hi.

508
00:29:55,770 --> 00:30:01,890
Speaker 2: Tim, Yes, Hi, this is Khalila who's recording with a

509
00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:03,690
Speaker 2: podcast with Annie. Do you remember me?

510
00:30:05,290 --> 00:30:05,450
Speaker 4: Oh?

511
00:30:05,530 --> 00:30:08,489
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just had been checking in with Annie and

512
00:30:08,530 --> 00:30:10,090
Speaker 2: she said that she hadn't.

513
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:12,130
Speaker 4: She hasn't heard from me.

514
00:30:13,410 --> 00:30:15,850
Speaker 2: Do you want to just try calling her together? Right now?

515
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:17,170
Speaker 4: Actually?

516
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:21,450
Speaker 7: I am actually I am just walking out the.

517
00:30:21,410 --> 00:30:22,290
Speaker 4: Door to go to work.

518
00:30:22,650 --> 00:30:25,769
Speaker 2: Okay. It doesn't have to be today either, Like so,

519
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:28,810
Speaker 2: I'm open to whatever is best for you. If there's

520
00:30:28,890 --> 00:30:36,370
Speaker 2: another day that's better, well, uh, I don't know.

521
00:30:36,490 --> 00:30:36,810
Speaker 4: I can't.

522
00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:40,690
Speaker 7: I haven't thought about that right now. So actually I'm

523
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:42,010
Speaker 7: in a real hurry right now.

524
00:30:42,050 --> 00:30:46,690
Speaker 2: So and Tim's supposed to be a Mariners fan more

525
00:30:46,690 --> 00:30:48,170
Speaker 2: like a Dodgers fan. Am I right?

526
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:48,450
Speaker 3: Am?

527
00:30:48,450 --> 00:30:57,729
Speaker 2: I right? Two weeks later, I checked back in with Danny.

528
00:30:58,450 --> 00:31:01,770
Speaker 2: You didn't happen to hear from your uncles to do you? No? No,

529
00:31:01,970 --> 00:31:06,850
Speaker 2: he didn't call. No, it's not going to happen. Having

530
00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:09,770
Speaker 2: spoken with Tim, I'm not exactly feeling like a ray

531
00:31:09,770 --> 00:31:13,330
Speaker 2: of optimism myself. But while Annie is one hundred percent

532
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:17,290
Speaker 2: certain Tim has written her off, I'm only ninety seven

533
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:20,130
Speaker 2: percent certain. I don't want her to slam the door

534
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:22,570
Speaker 2: just yet. It's gonna happen.

535
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:27,610
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, if it's gonna get off the ground, I mean,

536
00:31:27,610 --> 00:31:32,009
Speaker 8: it's definitely gonna have to be as But that's okay.

537
00:31:33,290 --> 00:31:35,570
Speaker 2: It's not okay to me, And I don't think it's

538
00:31:35,610 --> 00:31:38,810
Speaker 2: really okay to Annie. If Annie's the one to reach out,

539
00:31:39,130 --> 00:31:41,730
Speaker 2: she'll just be playing into the same dynamic as always,

540
00:31:42,290 --> 00:31:45,729
Speaker 2: showing up at the table and begging for scraps. So

541
00:31:45,810 --> 00:31:49,050
Speaker 2: I encourage Annie to just wait. But a week goes by,

542
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:52,290
Speaker 2: and another and then another, and I start to feel

543
00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:55,010
Speaker 2: like Annie was right her uncle will never.

544
00:31:54,850 --> 00:32:00,170
Speaker 7: Call Annie trying to get a hold of you.

545
00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:02,810
Speaker 4: Call me.

546
00:32:03,290 --> 00:32:05,850
Speaker 8: I didn't hear my phone ring or anything. And then weirdly,

547
00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:07,450
Speaker 8: it just came through on my watch that had this

548
00:32:07,530 --> 00:32:10,330
Speaker 8: voicemail from uncle Tim, and I was like, my heart

549
00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:11,930
Speaker 8: just went boom.

550
00:32:12,250 --> 00:32:16,210
Speaker 2: Annie had been with friends watching the movie Burlesque when finally,

551
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:20,690
Speaker 2: out of the blue, Tim called. Amidst the excitement of

552
00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:23,890
Speaker 2: Chaer yelling at Christina Aguilera to make the stage her own.

553
00:32:24,490 --> 00:32:27,049
Speaker 2: One of Annie's friends asked her what was up. I

554
00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:28,330
Speaker 2: was like, no, it's just my uncle.

555
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:31,530
Speaker 8: And my one friend goes the one that doesn't talk

556
00:32:31,570 --> 00:32:35,770
Speaker 8: to you, and I was like, yeah, well, I guess

557
00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:38,450
Speaker 8: he is trying to talk to me. And I've spent

558
00:32:38,530 --> 00:32:40,969
Speaker 8: this whole time like thinking that I'm not really like

559
00:32:42,410 --> 00:32:44,529
Speaker 8: worth a call. So I was glad to know that

560
00:32:44,610 --> 00:32:47,850
Speaker 8: he had called, and so then when I heard his voice,

561
00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:50,729
Speaker 8: I was like kind of emotional because I haven't like

562
00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:52,130
Speaker 8: talked to him in so long.

563
00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:56,330
Speaker 2: At this point, it's been almost a year since Annie

564
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:59,770
Speaker 2: and her uncle last spoke. We decide Sunday is the

565
00:32:59,850 --> 00:33:04,049
Speaker 2: day that's when we'll call Tim back, but then Annie

566
00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:07,450
Speaker 2: pushes it to Monday. I'm really nervous, she tells me.

567
00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:13,090
Speaker 2: On Monday, she cancels last minute. Annie's now feeling something

568
00:33:13,090 --> 00:33:16,489
Speaker 2: different than she's used to. It's not anger, something she

569
00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:21,650
Speaker 2: can yell her way through. Instead, Annie's feeling vulnerable, and

570
00:33:21,730 --> 00:33:29,450
Speaker 2: that's scarier. I finally get her to commit to Tuesday.

571
00:33:30,209 --> 00:33:33,489
Speaker 2: Tuesday will be a better day anyway, Annie says, because

572
00:33:33,530 --> 00:33:38,570
Speaker 2: Tuesday is Tim's birthday. To me, a birthday is a

573
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:41,410
Speaker 2: worse day. Instead of gifting the poor man a nice

574
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:44,209
Speaker 2: pair of socks or something, Annie's going to usher the

575
00:33:44,209 --> 00:33:49,410
Speaker 2: podcast lady on stage like an unwanted birthday clown. Nevertheless,

576
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:53,249
Speaker 2: on Uncle Tim's birthday, I procure a for Tata. I

577
00:33:53,290 --> 00:33:55,890
Speaker 2: tell Annie to get a breakfast too. We can all

578
00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:57,850
Speaker 2: eat on the call and pretend to be at Patty's

579
00:33:57,850 --> 00:34:00,770
Speaker 2: Eggs Nest together. But when I get on the line

580
00:34:00,770 --> 00:34:04,489
Speaker 2: with Annie, her Fortata plate is for tatalus.

581
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:08,170
Speaker 8: I have not even eaten like today. I'm totally freaking out.

582
00:34:08,170 --> 00:34:13,169
Speaker 8: I cannot believe I'm doing this. Okay, I'm ready, Shall

583
00:34:13,210 --> 00:34:13,690
Speaker 8: we do it?

584
00:34:15,130 --> 00:34:16,450
Speaker 2: Okay?

585
00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:18,850
Speaker 10: Wait?

586
00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:34,530
Speaker 1: Okay go Hello Hi Uncle Tim?

587
00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:35,530
Speaker 4: Hello, how are.

588
00:34:35,410 --> 00:34:37,690
Speaker 2: You happy birthday?

589
00:34:38,530 --> 00:34:39,250
Speaker 4: Well? Thank you?

590
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:48,730
Speaker 2: Khalila is on this call too, Hi, Hi, Tim.

591
00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:48,210
Speaker 4: What did you just say?

592
00:34:48,890 --> 00:34:54,770
Speaker 2: I said, Khalila's on this call too. Hi, It's a okay.

593
00:34:55,610 --> 00:34:56,650
Speaker 2: I just want to talk to you.

594
00:34:56,770 --> 00:34:59,730
Speaker 1: If that's okay, that's that's fine.

595
00:35:01,050 --> 00:35:01,650
Speaker 2: I feel like.

596
00:35:07,330 --> 00:35:10,570
Speaker 8: Sometimes like I feel like I'm genuinely like her and

597
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:14,370
Speaker 8: upset about sometimes when everyone's getting together and I feel

598
00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:18,010
Speaker 8: kind of left out or like an afterthought when everyone

599
00:35:18,130 --> 00:35:20,290
Speaker 8: is like going out. But I just wanted to tell

600
00:35:20,330 --> 00:35:27,050
Speaker 8: you about it because I feel like there's maybe like

601
00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:29,810
Speaker 8: two people on the planet that like really get me,

602
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:34,770
Speaker 8: and like I feel like you're my person, especially after

603
00:35:34,810 --> 00:35:37,370
Speaker 8: my dad died. You were like basically a father to me,

604
00:35:37,410 --> 00:35:39,890
Speaker 8: and I always even even like I always wanted you

605
00:35:39,970 --> 00:35:44,250
Speaker 8: to be my dad because I love you so much.

606
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:48,690
Speaker 2: So that's why I feel like when I'm not included.

607
00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:50,690
Speaker 8: I know that I'm rambling, but I feel like when

608
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:54,730
Speaker 8: I'm just not included sometimes it just like I do

609
00:35:54,810 --> 00:35:56,370
Speaker 8: feel sad.

610
00:35:58,890 --> 00:36:03,570
Speaker 7: Well, it was an intentional and I hope it never

611
00:36:03,610 --> 00:36:04,330
Speaker 7: happens again.

612
00:36:05,410 --> 00:36:09,850
Speaker 4: So anyway, Tim.

613
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:12,330
Speaker 2: Wants to sweep the mess of Annie's feelings under the rug,

614
00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:16,010
Speaker 2: but before he just moves on, I raised the question

615
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:18,930
Speaker 2: and he brought to me in the first place. Annie,

616
00:36:18,930 --> 00:36:21,050
Speaker 2: can I ask too, Like it seems like part of

617
00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:23,050
Speaker 2: it was that you were afraid that it was something

618
00:36:23,090 --> 00:36:26,210
Speaker 2: about your personality. Yeah.

619
00:36:26,570 --> 00:36:29,370
Speaker 8: I have felt like that, like if people don't want

620
00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:31,810
Speaker 8: me around because I'm too loud, or it's like there's

621
00:36:31,850 --> 00:36:34,330
Speaker 8: something about me that people are like offended by.

622
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:39,290
Speaker 7: Oh, I can tell you if you're not like pissed

623
00:36:39,330 --> 00:36:44,489
Speaker 7: at somebody, we all know you're the funnest to be around, right,

624
00:36:45,090 --> 00:36:49,730
Speaker 7: but when you get like you're like mad at somebody,

625
00:36:49,850 --> 00:36:52,370
Speaker 7: it's not like the sweetest to be around.

626
00:36:52,450 --> 00:36:59,810
Speaker 2: Then all that clattering is coming from Annie's side of

627
00:36:59,810 --> 00:37:04,090
Speaker 2: the call. She started pacing around, organizing her toilet trace.

628
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:11,010
Speaker 2: She's agitated by what Tim is saying. Annie's willing to

629
00:37:11,050 --> 00:37:15,650
Speaker 2: call people out no matter the consequences. But there are consequences.

630
00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:19,250
Speaker 2: It seems Tim's distance has nothing to do with Annie's

631
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:21,930
Speaker 2: being gay, or not being Mormon or having been a

632
00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:26,130
Speaker 2: teen mom. It might simply be that generally people just

633
00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:28,610
Speaker 2: want to eat their eggs in peace and pretend like

634
00:37:28,650 --> 00:37:33,850
Speaker 2: everything's fine. But even though Tim's criticism hurts, Annie doesn't

635
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:37,210
Speaker 2: do what she usually does. She doesn't unleash her anger.

636
00:37:38,290 --> 00:37:41,489
Speaker 8: I do feel really bad about the I think that

637
00:37:41,610 --> 00:37:45,490
Speaker 8: when everybody was at breakfast. I was just shocked and

638
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:48,130
Speaker 8: I used to right up flipped out. I was so

639
00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:51,890
Speaker 8: upset and so like, you know, I'm sorry that I

640
00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:55,650
Speaker 8: obviously didn't handle it very well. I've am in a

641
00:37:55,690 --> 00:38:00,650
Speaker 8: better place. And if we're being honest, medicated and so wait,

642
00:38:03,610 --> 00:38:11,330
Speaker 8: I know I'm not perfect, That's that's all.

643
00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:17,370
Speaker 2: And yeah, Tim stays quiet for a moment, and when

644
00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:21,009
Speaker 2: he speaks, it's not to Annie but to me. Much

645
00:38:21,010 --> 00:38:25,090
Speaker 2: as he might resent my presence, Tim like always chooses

646
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:26,170
Speaker 2: to go through a middleman.

647
00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:31,330
Speaker 7: Well, and as far as Annie goes, she's just always

648
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:32,250
Speaker 7: been special to me.

649
00:38:33,730 --> 00:38:34,770
Speaker 4: The first time she's.

650
00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:37,490
Speaker 7: Going to get married, that's going to give her away,

651
00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:40,770
Speaker 7: you know, I says, yeah, I'll buy me a new suit.

652
00:38:40,810 --> 00:38:44,890
Speaker 7: I'll do anything for you, and anyway, and then he

653
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:48,450
Speaker 7: was cheating on her or something. A few years later,

654
00:38:48,850 --> 00:38:50,810
Speaker 7: she says, you're going to give me away, and I says,

655
00:38:50,850 --> 00:38:52,890
Speaker 7: you bet, And she says, well, does it matter if

656
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:55,450
Speaker 7: I'm marrying a girl? And I says, Annie, if boys

657
00:38:55,490 --> 00:38:57,210
Speaker 7: don't work, girls are fine for me.

658
00:38:57,250 --> 00:39:05,009
Speaker 4: I'll do anything for you. And I feel like she's

659
00:39:05,050 --> 00:39:05,570
Speaker 4: my daughter.

660
00:39:07,530 --> 00:39:10,850
Speaker 7: I've loved Annie since she's just a little girl, and

661
00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:17,170
Speaker 7: we've always just connected, my little dippy girl. I mean

662
00:39:17,290 --> 00:39:20,770
Speaker 7: I've I've laid for hours on Annie's bed and just

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Speaker 7: you know, and hell there.

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Speaker 4: And we could talk about anything or not say anything.

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Speaker 4: I've never thought bad of Annie.

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Speaker 2: Then suddenly, mid sentence, Tim addresses Annie directly.

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Speaker 4: I've never thought of leaving you out. I know if

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Speaker 4: you feel bad, that it.

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Speaker 7: If you're feeling bad, especially when I'm talking to you,

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Speaker 7: it really makes me feel bad.

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Speaker 4: So I know.

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Speaker 2: I just I love you Tim a lot.

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Speaker 8: Definitely missed hearing your voice, and I feel like we

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Speaker 8: haven't talked in so long, and so it got to.

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Speaker 7: Make more effort to even talk like this because it

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Speaker 7: is nice to hear your voice too.

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Speaker 2: Well, that makes me better. It's not a break, it's

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Speaker 2: invitation a baseball game or even a zoom. But despite

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Speaker 2: the fact that Tim hates being on the phone for

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Speaker 2: more than five minutes, he's still here talking.

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Speaker 8: I think this is the longest I've talked to you

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Speaker 8: over the phone.

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Speaker 4: I wish I'd give you a big squeeze right now,

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Speaker 4: me too.

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Speaker 8: Maybe next time that you guys come down, we'll just

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Speaker 8: plan something just for me and you to do.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we will. I love you.

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Speaker 2: I love you too. Thank you for talking to me.

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Speaker 4: I will talk to you anytime. You know that. Love

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Speaker 4: you Annie, love you.

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Speaker 10: See ye bye bye.

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Speaker 2: We did it, We did it. I'm disappointed. And now

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Speaker 2: there's a pandemic and we can't go to Patty's Eggs,

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Speaker 2: which I really wanted to go out.

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Speaker 8: Right as they like play us out, silver ware clinking

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Speaker 8: around in the background.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I can hear it now.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I just park in the grass. Oh no, I'm

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Speaker 8: moving on.

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Speaker 2: My date's here. All right, you got a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: I won't keep you. Thank you for everything. I'll talk

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Speaker 2: to you later. All right, talk to you later. And

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Speaker 2: with that, I settled down at my desk alone to

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Speaker 2: finish eating my fritata, a fritata delivered to my apartment

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Speaker 2: cold and in a coffee soaked bag. But rather than

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Speaker 2: kick up a fuss, I thank the delivery man profusely

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Speaker 2: and tipped him generously. Like all of us, he's probably

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Speaker 2: just doing his best, just enjoying my breakfast. Now that the.

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Speaker 9: Fern ures Riff turned into its.

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Speaker 10: Goodwill home, now that the last month's raft is scheming.

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Speaker 2: With the damage to pos, take this moment to dissolve,

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Speaker 2: if we message, if we talked.

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Speaker 1: Around for far too, Thanks Good Accid.

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Speaker 2: This episode of Heavyweight was produced by me Khalila Holt

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Speaker 2: along with Stevie Lane, An Armchair Colonel Jonathan Goldstein. Special

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Speaker 2: thanks to Emily Condon, Alex Bloomberg, Matilda Fellino, Nea Bloomfield,

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Speaker 2: I'm a Monger, Zach Schmidt, Sam Riceman, and Jackie Cohen.

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Speaker 2: Bobby Lord mixed the episode with original music by Christine Fellows,

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Speaker 2: John K. Sampson, and Bobby Lord. Additional music credits can

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Speaker 2: be found on our website, gimlipmedia dot com slash Heavyweight.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by the Weaker Bands, courtesy of

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Speaker 2: Epitaph Records. Follow us on Twitter at Heavyweight or email

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Speaker 2: us at Heavyweight at gimlipmedia dot com. We'll have a

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Speaker 2: new episode next week