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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Friday, September third, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Season seventeen, episode number sixteen. It is the official Damon

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Speaker 1: Hodge Show. Here on the Break from s WBC Mortgage

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Speaker 1: Studios at the Star and uh, we're ready to go today. Man,

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Speaker 1: it's what five days before the cow the Cowboys kick

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Speaker 1: days for the Cowboy is kick off their season. And

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do this every time. We're gonna do this

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Speaker 1: like like whatever you're supposed to be show sixteen and yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be our new bit. Like I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: ask you your favorite cowboy of that number or a

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Speaker 1: their show. So this is the Damon Hodge Show. Let

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Speaker 1: that be a nick thing, because oh yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: Reggie Davis? Like, nobody important has worn sixteen in the

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Speaker 1: time that I've been here. Yeah, I mean, wow, Sorry

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Speaker 1: I failed the test. I fail. Sorry, Jess, you just

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Speaker 1: said random sixteen, And so I went with Damon Hodge.

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Speaker 1: You want to tell us who Damon Hodge. He was

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Speaker 1: a receiver from the two thousand season. I think his

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Speaker 1: And I was like about that. And you know, fast

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Speaker 1: I texted him and I said, hey, Jesse, I've heard

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Speaker 1: He did a great job telling it to us. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: in the second segment, actually we're gonna have Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 1: he's not practicing because of stingers. First of all, tell

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Speaker 1: Let's jump right in, and we're talking today about the

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay defense versus the Cowboys offense. They were across

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Speaker 1: last year if you look at all their different statistics.

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Speaker 1: My first question for you is did they lose any

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Speaker 1: players that could possibly have created some holes for them,

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Speaker 1: or are there areas that you saw last year where

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Speaker 1: if you were really good, maybe you could exploit that defense.

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Speaker 1: Even though they seem to be pretty good in most

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Speaker 1: areas you are now, they're a really good team, and

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Speaker 1: they have a really good scheme and a defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: Bows does a great job of scheming it up where

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Speaker 1: he has five and six man pressures that really throw

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Speaker 1: man to man depending on who he's matching up with

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Speaker 1: and what the threats are on offense. And so if

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Speaker 1: I would say, like as a Cowboys fan or a

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Speaker 1: can attack them is to try and find a way

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Speaker 1: to work the corners, to try and throw to isolated

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Speaker 1: Michael Gallop unlocked because this is going I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: Mark Cooper too, but this is going to be a

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Speaker 1: challenge because upfront, they're good. They're as good as anybody

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Speaker 1: that you'll see. And the linebacker that they have, Devin White,

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Speaker 1: to be able to run consistently on them and also

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Speaker 1: protect against a team that has four dudes that can

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Speaker 1: hunt at a line of scrimmage, which going off that

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Speaker 1: bucky we you know, we spent the first segment talking

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Speaker 1: about the fact that Lyle Collins might not be available

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Speaker 1: for this game. We know JPP and Shaquille Barrett are good,

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Speaker 1: but what is it specifically like, how do they rush?

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Speaker 1: What are their strength like? Are they are they just strong?

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Speaker 1: Are they quick like? And I'm asking obviously to see

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Speaker 1: who better to play at right tackle if not Lyle? Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, how do you want to try to defend

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Speaker 1: against these guys with Shay Barrett is all energy, He's

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Speaker 1: first step, quickness, burst, he has finesse ability where you

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Speaker 1: can win inside or outside in terms of the moves

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Speaker 1: that he uses. JPP is a crafty veteran who is long.

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Speaker 1: He has the ability to use his arms and he

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Speaker 1: uses that length to his advantage. He'll use pushpool moves,

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that compounds it is Todd Bowls

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Speaker 1: will send pressure to force you to go one on

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Speaker 1: one against those guys. And what they're going to do

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Speaker 1: is they're going to say, I'm gonna create one on

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Speaker 1: going to collapse because of it. So Bucky, you said,

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Speaker 1: they also have to run the ball, and you were

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Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott as anyone else has. Since he hasn't played

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Speaker 1: any games. I mean, how can you tell or can

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Speaker 1: you tell that he is going to have a better

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Speaker 1: season based off of maybe how he practiced, how he looks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he looks good. He was in great shape.

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Speaker 1: One us all him. I mean he was slim and fit,

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Speaker 1: The quickness is there, everything was there. He looked like

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Speaker 1: he was very focused. And certainly he's a privul player

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Speaker 1: because he heard all the whispers, he heard people saying,

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Speaker 1: oh well, maybe Tony Poll is a better player than

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Speaker 1: him and all this other stuff. So he is going

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Speaker 1: to play well, but he can only do so much.

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Speaker 1: They have to win at the line of scrimmage. And

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Speaker 1: the issues that you guys were talking about in the

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Speaker 1: first segment, those are the issues that could prevent the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys from running the ball. Will who is in the

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Speaker 1: starting five? How well are they going to play against

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Speaker 1: and Dominican Sue and Vita Vea and Jason Pierre Paul

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Speaker 1: and Sach Barrett. That's really the issue. It's not about

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Speaker 1: Can they win their battles to allow him to have

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Speaker 1: up on that question, I think obviously every week there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a line one Dallas needs to establish

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Speaker 1: the run. But when you look at this offense, they

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Speaker 1: got a lot of weapons at the wide receiver position.

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Speaker 1: They got obviously what I considered to be one of

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Speaker 1: the better quarterbacks in the league. That being said, which

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Speaker 1: one do you think is the greatest strengths for this team?

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Speaker 1: Their run offense or their pass offense? Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: on pay for the pass offense is the strength However,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to get seduced into having these games

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Speaker 1: where Dak Prescott is thrown at forty to fifteen times.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys are built to be a complimentary football team,

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Speaker 1: meaning they run the ball, they control the clock, and

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Speaker 1: that protects the defense. That has been the recipe that

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Speaker 1: has been successful for them, regardless of who the running

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Speaker 1: back was. It was like that twenty fourteen with DeMarco Murray,

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Speaker 1: it was like that early with Ezekiel Elliott twenty sixteen eighteen.

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Speaker 1: That is how they win. So the strengths maybe in

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Speaker 1: the passing game and the personnel, but they can't stray

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Speaker 1: too far from the running game because then it plays

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Speaker 1: into the hands of the Buccaneers and other teams. They

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Speaker 1: have a talented front four and the ability to create

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Speaker 1: pressure in the pocket. Bucky. I'm obviously very familiar with

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Speaker 1: Devin White's game given where he played college football. But

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Speaker 1: the funny thing is, you know, at LSU he was

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Speaker 1: he was pretty strictly an off ball linebacker. But the

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Speaker 1: thing that I can't get over with his season last

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Speaker 1: year is that he had nine sacks, and that's you know,

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Speaker 1: I look at him and I look at where the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys drafted Michael Parsons. I would love for him to

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Speaker 1: be able to make an impact like that. Is that

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that just a testament to Todd Bowles

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Speaker 1: and how much he brings pressure or is there more

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Speaker 1: to it in his game that I didn't realize? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it was a little I mean, it's both

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Speaker 1: of them. It's a little bit of Todd Bowls making

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Speaker 1: sure that he maximizes what Devin White brings to the table.

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Speaker 1: When you see an athlete like White who is big,

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Speaker 1: fast and physical and showed traits of being able to

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Speaker 1: get home as a blitzer, you have to maximize that

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons has similar traits. And I heard the argument

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Speaker 1: you guys had in the first segment about the offensive

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Speaker 1: line versus Michael Parsons. I am going to tell you

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Speaker 1: that Michael Parsons can make an impact that maybe even

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Speaker 1: exceeds what a left tackle could have done for that offense.

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Speaker 1: He is a disruptive player and depending on how Dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn utilizes him, he could give the Cowboys defense a

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Speaker 1: major boost, something that they haven't had in a long time,

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Speaker 1: well since Osa. Dicky Zoo are already threw some bolts

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Speaker 1: and board material out there. We don't have to worry

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Speaker 1: about that. You know anything you say, But I will

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Speaker 1: ask you a question from last year's meetings with you.

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Speaker 1: Where's Waldo on Tampa Bay? How do they who do

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Speaker 1: they find who? I mean, it sounds like it's just

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Speaker 1: like all these guys are going to Canton when they're

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Speaker 1: done playing, So like when't who's the guy you have

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Speaker 1: to exploit? It's really a tough one because they're everywhere,

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Speaker 1: and they may be even better this time around because

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Speaker 1: they're really comfortable in the system. I think the way

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Speaker 1: that you have to do it is I think they

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Speaker 1: say it is the reindeer can't fly with our Rudolph.

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Speaker 1: I think you got to find a way to disrupt

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Speaker 1: the rhythm of Tom Brady. And so the best way

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Speaker 1: to attack Tom Brady is right up the middle, because

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Speaker 1: he's not mobile and he doesn't like pressure in his face,

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Speaker 1: and a quarterback of that age doesn't want to get hit.

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Speaker 1: The problem is how do you do it and how

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Speaker 1: do you not tip your hand when you want to

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Speaker 1: do it, Because if he sees that Preston is coming,

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Speaker 1: typically he wants to empty out the formation, identify who's coming,

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Speaker 1: and then kind of pick on your week link. So

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn has to be created with how they want

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Speaker 1: to attack number twelve, because if he gets a beat

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Speaker 1: on how the Cowboys are coming after him, it won't

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Speaker 1: take long for him to figure it out and exploit it.

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Speaker 1: All right, So with all that being said, tell us

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Speaker 1: what do you thinks can happen next Thursday? Hey, look man,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be a tough one for the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: with the offensive line struggling, all the things tipped towards

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers being able to win this, and

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Speaker 1: also the X factor for the Buccaneers are all Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 1: We have not talked about him. He kind of gets

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Speaker 1: lost in the sauce. He's had a procedure to get

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Speaker 1: his knee right, and people said that he looked great

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Speaker 1: in training camp. The best course of action for the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys is to find a way to run it. They

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Speaker 1: have to control the time of possession thirty two or

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Speaker 1: more minutes. I don't know if they canna be able

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Speaker 1: to get it done. It's gonna be a tough time

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. All right, Bucky Man, we're pre share you.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. We'll have you on, Actually

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Speaker 1: you on heading into our second game against the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Well appreciate you coming on the show. We're gonna take

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Speaker 1: we haven't been to Tampa since the Jeff Heath Uh

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Speaker 1: just one of the worst games of all time. Two

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Speaker 1: interceptions in the game. No, it wasn't raining rained. Tampa

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Speaker 1: probably rained every day every day. Two interceptions, but he

686
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Speaker 1: had the defensive holding penalty that gave them like the

687
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Speaker 1: final shot at the winning touchdown? Was that the one

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Speaker 1: where Brian and I were just salty at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game, Yeah, because they were. I mean that

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Speaker 1: dropped him to one in five and yeah, Nick was

691
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Speaker 1: just like they lost to the Bucks. What I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't need to say anything besides that. We did

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Speaker 1: a postgame hit. I was on camera like, yeah, yes,

694
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Speaker 1: this was on game was Yeah, Brian and I both

695
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Speaker 1: were just like this and we're hot down there, you know,

696
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Speaker 1: sweat That was when because we spent like a month

697
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Speaker 1: of that season like they can just hold on, if

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Speaker 1: they can just win a couple of games while Tony's

699
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: hurt it'll all be okay. I think that was the

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Speaker 1: game where everybody was like, it ain't gonna be okay.

701
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: To wrap it up, let's just get through the season.

702
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: It isn't gonna happen. Yeah, Jamis was. It wasn't his

703
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Speaker 1: rooky year, was it? Yeah? It was year that was

704
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Speaker 1: also fifteen. He was bad too, but he didn't play well.

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Speaker 1: But nobody scores the testdown too. I'm to have an

706
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: NFL game finish ten to six, I mean, that's pathetic.

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Speaker 1: That's the score of like a per due Northwestern game

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Speaker 1: at eleven am on Saturday, not the NFL. There was

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Speaker 1: And if I remember that Dez was playing and a

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Speaker 1: former Cowboy, I think like locked him up. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: was Pattment, Yeah, I mean they Dez had a chance

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Speaker 1: to potentially win the game on the last play, and

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Speaker 1: they could all the time when one of them played

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Speaker 1: him and played him really well. I can't remember, but

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Speaker 1: it might have been starting. This is the most anticipated

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Speaker 1: season an opener in a decade, and we're given the

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Speaker 1: people what they want, which is ten minutes about one

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Speaker 1: of the worst games in recent memute. I do remember

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Speaker 1: when we went down there in two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: and it was the first It was the opening game

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Speaker 1: of the season as well, and I think Romo was

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00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: miked up for NFL films that game. And I mean,

723
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great, great stuff in there, but

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Speaker 1: that was that was a good That was a good

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Speaker 1: game there. They won that one. But I think Tampa's

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00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: going to be better this time around. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be a little better. Sterling Moore was on

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Speaker 1: that team. Was he the guy? Yeah, he is. All right,

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Speaker 1: we will finish talking about stupid stuff from twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: but he works for the Saints now. He's an intern.

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Speaker 1: T on Twitter and I was like, that's Sterling more

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Speaker 1: in the background of that and see the coach. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: That's coaching intern, I think. But yeah, anyway, real quick,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to also get into a little conversation on

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Speaker 1: coach McCarthy's press conference. One thing he said that kind

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Speaker 1: of stood out to me. He was asked about Hard

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Speaker 1: Knocks now being gone. And for those that don't know,

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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks wrapped up their their filming yes day. They'll

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Speaker 1: have their final episode of this season on next Tuesday,

741
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Speaker 1: But the quote that came from him that thought was interesting.

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Speaker 1: He said, now I can be a little more genuine

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Speaker 1: with my team, and it made me think, like, yeah,

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00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: that's probably the most honest I've ever heard anybody talk

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Speaker 1: about their experiences with hard Knocks, because I do think

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Speaker 1: if you're being honest, it has to change what you

747
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Speaker 1: say and what you do, because you know, the cameras

748
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Speaker 1: are always rolling, and although as a team you do

749
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Speaker 1: have some ability to say what you want on the

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Speaker 1: air and what you don't, you still don't necessarily want

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Speaker 1: everything out there right and available for other people to see.

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Speaker 1: How much do you think hard Knocks affects what they're

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Speaker 1: able to do in the preseason? I mean, Mike has

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Speaker 1: been diplomatic and kind of funny about the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: but he has made it abundantly clear how much he

756
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Speaker 1: hated that they were here right, and if you pay

757
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: attention and kind of read between the lines, like he

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00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: wasn't happy, and he said that out of camp. He

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, we're not really being our

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00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: of your mind. I can't get anybody inside the building

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00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: to verify this. For me. So this is just a hunch.

763
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: I haven't nobody's told me this, even though I've tried.

764
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: I just like, he has barely been on the show

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Speaker 1: for a head coach, and when they get shots of him,

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Speaker 1: it's at practice when he has to be there obviously,

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00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: and the team meeting stuff like you know, him wearing

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00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: the Goofy shirt and dancing that was a team meeting

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Speaker 1: that those get filmed regardless, there's nothing you can do

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Speaker 1: about it. He has not been on the show like

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Speaker 1: independent of that at all. And I just don't think

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Speaker 1: that's a coincidence. I think there's been some very much

773
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Speaker 1: like you can do the show, you can't make me

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Speaker 1: be a big part of it. Absolutely not. I just

775
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: that's just my hunch. You know, they do the first episode,

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Speaker 1: you know, they kind of talked about him and his family,

777
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: his mom and dad were at the game, and so

778
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: they did that all. Doesn't it feel like that's disappeared

779
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: the last three episodes though, And yeah, I mean maybe

780
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: that's not a coincidence. The first episode had Mike telling

781
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones like, yeah, we're not gonna play Zeke this season.

782
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: Let's not do that, And then you didn't see anything

783
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: half that juicy the rest of the well, I think

784
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: I think what's missing this year that I think has

785
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: been in so many other seasons of Hard Knocks is

786
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: all behind the scenes coaches meetings where you do see

787
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: the head coach. So you have coaches talking about this

788
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: player and that player and here's what we want to do.

789
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: They're talking strategy and that kind of stuff that missed

790
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: this season, like they didn't do any of that, Like

791
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: that was not a part of it. And that's where

792
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: I think maybe you missing the head coach that which

793
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: you would normally see, or when he's sitting down with

794
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: a player to tell him I'm gonna have to cut

795
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: you or I'm gonna have to do that, and maybe

796
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: that comes up in this next episode. Who knows. I'm

797
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: not a Hard Knocks aficionado. I usually like I usually

798
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: watched like one episode and then getting it's on a

799
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: big Brother, Yeah exactly, Yeah, but I did, like I

800
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Speaker 1: remember the year that the Dolphins were on it with

801
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Speaker 1: Joe Philbin who's here. And I remember when the Falcons

802
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: were on it when Mike Smith was still the coach,

803
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Speaker 1: Like the whole show felt like it happened in their

804
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: office right, having meetings with people, cutting players, all that,

805
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: and it just has not existed here. And I don't

806
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: think that's a coincidence. No, no, And and you know,

807
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: it's hard to it's hard to be like the first

808
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: year the Cowboys did Hard Knocks, when you know, Jerry

809
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Jones is sitting there at the in the training room

810
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Speaker 1: with Anthony Lucas, whose kneecap just fell off for the

811
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Speaker 1: second straight year, and he's calling his mama and you know, saying,

812
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry, MoMA is He's crying, everyone's crying,

813
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: and then they go to credits. I mean, haven't had

814
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Speaker 1: moments like that. And so so Mike McCarthy wins because

815
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Speaker 1: if you ask to if you said, all right, name

816
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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, describe it in one word, what would it be? Access? No,

817
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Speaker 1: what would watch? What would you How did you describe it?

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Speaker 1: Human interest? I mean I would say boring when I

819
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: was trying to be nice. Well, yeah, So Mike McCarthy

820
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Speaker 1: wins because it's like, that's exactly what you want. Every

821
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: time this month that I've tweeted about the show, period,

822
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Speaker 1: and I've said a couple of times I didn't think

823
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Speaker 1: it was very compelling everybody's in my mentions like good,

824
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Speaker 1: I don't like, we don't want and I get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not arguing fans don't want it to

826
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Speaker 1: be fans don't want dropping NFL Films and the not HBO.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean NFL Films have shown that they've

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Speaker 1: got some toys. I mean they they've got some cool

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Speaker 1: things that they've done. I mean they it's looked great.

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Speaker 1: Nick is so Nick salty about that? No? Not, No,

831
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Speaker 1: they're stunting on us. I think it's amazing, like what

832
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: they've done. I mean, I don't. I'm not blaming NFL

833
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Speaker 1: Films or HBO. Of course the HBO just goes there.

834
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Speaker 1: But NFL Films has done. I mean, we've seen what

835
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Speaker 1: they do. They bring a huge crew, they worked really hard,

836
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Speaker 1: long hours. But I mean, and by the way, they're

837
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Speaker 1: very good at what they do, very good. That's what

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Speaker 1: they do. I'm not that's not salty at all. All

839
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Speaker 1: I'm saying is is that the content has been lackluster,

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Speaker 1: and I think the Cowboys are a reason for that.

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Speaker 1: You know what's fine? Yeah, fine, Yeah, that's certainly just

842
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: a great Yeah, that's certainly the way I look at it.

843
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: I think obviously we've seen HBO at Hard Knocks do

844
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: a phenomenal job with these things and show you stuff

845
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: that you had not seen before. And I'm starting to

846
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: wonder if it's two things. One, after you've started to

847
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: see some stuff that's behind the scenes, you gotta keep

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Speaker 1: up in the anty. You gotta keep showing more and

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Speaker 1: more behind the scenes. And so for a year like

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Speaker 1: this year, where it didn't seem like they've been giving

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Speaker 1: you the stuff they normally give you, it really feels

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Speaker 1: like it's a step back from the standpoint of the content, right.

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Speaker 1: And I don't I don't know if I've said this

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Speaker 1: on here. I think I said this some other show,

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Speaker 1: but I do think that, you know, in the past,

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Speaker 1: it was if you get cut from the Cowboys, it's

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Speaker 1: like now I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna drive

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Speaker 1: a truck or something. But now it's there's eighteen roster

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Speaker 1: spots for the practice squad or this list or that list.

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Speaker 1: So if somebody doesn't make it here, they're still gonna

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Speaker 1: be here probably and do this, And so it just

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's just as like this or that,

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Speaker 1: and then it's over your career is over. It's like,

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Speaker 1: well I'll go here, and it's just doesn't seem as

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Speaker 1: critic cool. Maybe that's part of it. That's a gripping

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Speaker 1: which and that's a it's another conversation too where I

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Speaker 1: think you got to remember a lot of times this

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Speaker 1: stuff isn't geared toward football junkies. Actually, a good friend

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Speaker 1: of mine who doesn't give a rip about football, texted

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Speaker 1: me early Wednesday morning and they were like, Kmarrow made

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Speaker 1: the team, Like oh my god. And I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: Like that's who That's who this is aimed at. Not

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Speaker 1: not my audience, you know, not the people who know

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Speaker 1: the school that every practice squad player went to. It's

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Speaker 1: for people who kind of care about it. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that will now be fans of those guys just because

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Speaker 1: they like their story, which is good. Those kind of

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00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: fans matter too, right. I had a lot of people

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Speaker 1: ask me about Isasy like if this guy figures it out, man,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a great player. And maybe he will be.

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Speaker 1: He I mean, it's an uphill battle for any international

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Speaker 1: player because you just not raised playing football. You know what.

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Speaker 1: He's got some size to him and he just the

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Speaker 1: stuff we see just the highlights, and he looks pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd like to see him one more year

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Speaker 1: with him and then see what happens next year, if

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Speaker 1: they'll if they make him count to the ninety I

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Speaker 1: think he's good enough to be on the ninety man

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Speaker 1: roster next year, and then it was with no exemption.

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Speaker 1: Next year, I think I think he'll he'll be on

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Speaker 1: the roster. Did you see the crew like they left

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Speaker 1: yesterday and they left Isaac a little cake from some

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Speaker 1: local bakery. I thought that was cool. Cool, Yeah, good cake.

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Speaker 1: I want to try the cake. All right. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys, you on us as a rap for us.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next Tuesday. Actually, we will have our

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Speaker 1: show leading into the game. We'll tell you guys what

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Speaker 1: we think is going to happen on Thursday when the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys take on the Buccaneers. To then for Nick Eaton,

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Speaker 1: Dave helm and I'm Derek Eaglton. This has been The

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