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Speaker 3: Paul Chargian.
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Speaker 1: We got a bunch of fresh players to look at,
Speaker 1: and I want to start this week with Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really interesting player, just because he was going really
Speaker 4: high in drafts last year, maybe as the quarterback. I
Speaker 4: think I don't remember the time I had, maybe four
Speaker 4: or five or something like that. Yeah, and he's just
Speaker 4: he just didn't have that great of year. I mean,
Speaker 4: he finishes the RB eleven and the RB seventeen in
Speaker 4: average points per game. Definitely not ideal.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, in fairness, yeah, he had a brutal rib
Speaker 1: injury where he took the helmet right to the ribs right,
Speaker 1: and then he had a shoulder injury though so bad
Speaker 1: he had an off season laboram surgery. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not an excuse, but also then you throw in Keenan All.
Speaker 3: Actually it is an excuse.
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen's injuries. He played I think nine games last year.
Speaker 1: Mike Williams was in and out of the lineup. I
Speaker 1: mean there were a lot of things working against Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: I mean the pathway to him being better this year
Speaker 1: is seems clear to me.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm totally with you on that. On that end,
Speaker 4: I mean, he's going as the QB seven right now.
Speaker 4: So it's not like people you're not getting at a
Speaker 4: huge discount or anything like that. People know how good
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert is. I think the thing that you need
Speaker 4: to look at, though, is I was trying to identify
Speaker 4: the problem because I looked at I saw he's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: QB eleven, QB seventeen average points per game, Like what
Speaker 4: was the problem last season in terms of like his stats?
Speaker 4: And I dove into some of the stuff and he
Speaker 4: was number two in passing attempts.
Speaker 2: He was like that volume is very important for our quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: He's number four in red zone passing attempts.
Speaker 2: Okay, love that too.
Speaker 4: We want touchdowns and he was number two in passing yards.
Speaker 2: All right, So it's not to like, why did it all.
Speaker 4: Come together that so? Well? You mentioned the touchdowns. He
Speaker 4: was eighth in passing tds, which isn't necessarily that's not
Speaker 4: a terrible staty, but he only twenty five touchdowns, which
Speaker 4: that was Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady threw more touchdowns
Speaker 4: and in last season, which.
Speaker 2: Was those guys exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was one of the things. He was
Speaker 4: also eleventh in deep ball attempts. Considering he was number
Speaker 4: two in passing attempts and then eleventh in deep ball
Speaker 4: attempts kind of tells me that he was just dunking,
Speaker 4: dunking dunkle of a field and the kind of I mean,
Speaker 4: Austin Echlo was a great, bad fishery of that, but
Speaker 4: it wasn't that great for Justin Herbert. And then he
Speaker 4: was also thirty second in air yards per attempt in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, he was fourth.
Speaker 1: Right, So you know before two years ago in air
Speaker 1: yards per attempt, which we care about. We want deep
Speaker 1: ball passers because that unlocks big gains touchdowns.
Speaker 2: We want that in fantasy.
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert was fourth two years ago, and then last
Speaker 1: year he's hobbled multiple injuries, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams hurt,
Speaker 1: and the air yards go down. And now you've got
Speaker 1: dump off stuff, and a lot of Justin Herbert's value
Speaker 1: gets tied to what Austin Eckler can do after the catch,
Speaker 1: which isn't bad. He's a great player, but that's not
Speaker 1: what you want your quarterback to have to rely on
Speaker 1: your running back for you your passing efficiency exactly.
Speaker 4: And I think I mean you mentioned the rib and
Speaker 4: the shoulder. I think this next part is kind of
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why he wasn't as good in
Speaker 4: this area was the rushing He had had basically no
Speaker 4: rushing production last season. He was one hundred and forty
Speaker 4: seven rushing yards, was just seventeenth among quarterbacks, thirty seventh
Speaker 4: in yards per game among quarterbacks. It's zero rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the years prior he had been like four
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns. I think he might have had a five
Speaker 1: rushing touchdown season. And Justin Herbert was he was helping
Speaker 1: you in small ways with those touchdowns, but you know
Speaker 1: it counts me. That stuff really does change the trajectory
Speaker 1: of your fantasy output. The difference between being a zero
Speaker 1: rushing touchdown, you know, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr versus having five.
Speaker 2: It's a big difference.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean you mentioned the injuries mentioned the key,
Speaker 4: I mean injuries to himself obviously, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams,
Speaker 4: they both missed a lot of time. Rashawn Slater is
Speaker 4: pretty much star line star lineman. Only played three games
Speaker 4: last season and then he was how old injuries of
Speaker 4: his own. So, but enough of last season, I think
Speaker 4: we need to kind of dive into twenty twenty three
Speaker 4: and how it's going to get better for Herbert. So
Speaker 4: I think the first thing I think of is just
Speaker 4: the weapons that he has to random around him. Now.
Speaker 4: They put first round draft capitol into Quentin Johnson, who
Speaker 4: I personally really like, and he's just going to be
Speaker 4: another one of the weapons to go along with Keenan Allen,
Speaker 4: Mike Williams, Eckler, I'd consider Jerald Everett, and Josh Sommer.
Speaker 4: It's nice complimentary rules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably that's it. Don't forget Donald Parum. I'm a
Speaker 1: big Donald Parker. Okay, you don't have any reason to
Speaker 1: know that, but I am regular FFW listeners.
Speaker 2: Know I keep waiting every year.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, this is the year for Donald.
Speaker 1: I know it turns out it's never the year for Donald.
Speaker 4: I'm on this, but I think it's I feel like
Speaker 4: that ship is saaled right.
Speaker 1: No, he's still young. I mean, dude, it's like twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I wouldn't I wouldn't go quite that far.
Speaker 4: That's what I love.
Speaker 3: The athletic makeup of Donald parum.
Speaker 2: But it's hard to ask.
Speaker 3: I mean, Herbert's got He's got.
Speaker 1: Receivers everywhere is the bigger point to all of this.
Speaker 1: And Quentin Johnson adds to the depth. And you know,
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen keeps getting hurt. Michael Wims has always been
Speaker 1: hurt his whole career.
Speaker 3: On it, you know, on and off heard.
Speaker 1: So hopefully this is this adds enough depth that he's
Speaker 1: always got legitimate targets.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And one of the other things that I like
Speaker 4: is Kellen Moore is now the play caller in Los Angeles,
Speaker 4: which I like is Dallas ranked fifth and first over
Speaker 4: the past two seasons in total scoring offense, right, So
Speaker 4: that's just great for the touchdowns Herbert should see and
Speaker 4: it's just great for the whole offense in general.
Speaker 2: So I looked at Kellen.
Speaker 1: One of the things I want to see is can
Speaker 1: I really can I really tell our listeners, Justin Herbert's
Speaker 1: going to go back to throwing downfield.
Speaker 2: And I want to say yes automatically.
Speaker 1: And I was hoping to be able to go well,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore had Deak Prescott, Dek Prescott throwing deep ball
Speaker 1: at the time, but he really didn't. Prescott was twenty
Speaker 1: third and deep ball pass percentage last year, so you know.
Speaker 2: That might not. Okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's got a bigger arm than Dak Prescott does.
Speaker 1: I mean, so they're just so there's that, and I'm
Speaker 1: optimistic Kellen Moore, Colin moriz is he will help this offense.
Speaker 3: He will. I'm confident.
Speaker 4: I agree. Yeah. I also don't think Dallas had the
Speaker 4: downfield weapons that the Chargers do. I mean they had
Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb obviously, but other than that, I can't really.
Speaker 4: None of those other guys will we scream deep threat
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like Mike Williams does, Like.
Speaker 4: Williams big body guy, John Palmer does to a little bit.
Speaker 3: So he just got good size.
Speaker 4: Yeah he does. Yeah, And then I think the passing touchdowns,
Speaker 4: like just all this stuff, even if they didn't have
Speaker 4: Kellen Moore come in I think he just do for
Speaker 4: a little bit of positive regression. In terms of passing touchdowns.
Speaker 4: He had thirty eight of passing tds in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: and thirty one in his rookie or thirty eight and
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, and then thirty one in his rookie
Speaker 4: season right the rookie season.
Speaker 1: He didn't start the season as the starter, and so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but thirty eight passing touchdowns two years ago, to me
Speaker 1: way more indicative of who Justin Herbert is than the
Speaker 1: twenty five touchdowns we got last year, for all the
Speaker 1: reasons that we've mentioned, for all the things that went
Speaker 1: wrong last year.
Speaker 2: So I'm back.
Speaker 3: I'm right back on Herbert.
Speaker 2: I love him.
Speaker 1: I think he should be closer to QB five. I
Speaker 1: think there's so many reasons to look at last year
Speaker 1: as an anomaly, and dude's a freak. Justin Herbert's arm
Speaker 1: is awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I and he can do it with his legs too,
Speaker 4: which I know he didn't see last year. But in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, he had three hundred two rushing yards,
Speaker 4: which was tenth among quarterbacks, and he had three rushing touchdowns,
Speaker 4: Like three rushing touchdowns that's a good that's gonna boost
Speaker 4: your stat your season stats up a little bit for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: All right, let's play the ADP game you mentioned quarterback five.
Speaker 4: We'll start with justin fields going off the board as
Speaker 4: QB five right now.
Speaker 2: Well, here's you know.
Speaker 1: The thing is most scoring systems in fantasy football. If
Speaker 1: you've got a rushing quarterback, you've got you've unlocked the
Speaker 1: magic key to breaking your scoring system.
Speaker 3: So I have to take fields at five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I'll take fields even though I don't want to.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take this next guy over fields, Joe Burrow
Speaker 4: at QB six. Yeah.
Speaker 3: What's not to love about Joe Burrow?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: I think he wins the MVP this year. I've I've
Speaker 4: placed money on him winning the MVP this year.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Joe Burrow on the strength of his
Speaker 1: receivers where they are right now. This year, I would
Speaker 1: rather go to war with T Higgins and Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: than what's left of Keenan Allen, a promising but still
Speaker 1: rookie receiver in Quentin Johnson and Mike Williams.
Speaker 3: Whatever, he's healthy, So I gotta take Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Joe Burrow as well, over over Herbert.
Speaker 4: Next one we got is Trevor Lawrence at QB eight.
Speaker 3: Dang, I like Lawrence a lot too.
Speaker 2: This gets this is getting a little thorny.
Speaker 4: These are like all the guys who like aren't they're
Speaker 4: not running quarterbacks, but they can run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't.
Speaker 4: Burrow showed a lot of like kind of rushing ability
Speaker 4: last year. Herbert obviously we talked about it. And then Trevor
Speaker 4: Lawnce another guy who's.
Speaker 1: Lawrence can run yep, Yes, they don't care really many
Speaker 1: designed runs, but he's got some legit mobility to him.
Speaker 2: I'm taking Herbert.
Speaker 4: I'm taking Herbert as well.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, arm quality, and we've seen Herbert
Speaker 1: post a thirty eight touchdown season, so yeah, I'm taking Herbert.
Speaker 4: All right. Deshaun Watson QB nine.
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson doesn't blong anywhere near QB nine.
Speaker 4: You don't think so, No, I think it's a great spot
Speaker 4: for him. Honestly, I am. I am taking a lot
Speaker 4: of Deshaun Watson right now at QB nine.
Speaker 1: Boy, I wouldn't, Okay, I understand the thinking on Watson
Speaker 1: because we just talked about how rushing quarterbacks can break
Speaker 1: open your scoring system and all the advantages they get.
Speaker 2: I did not like the fact that they didn't let him.
Speaker 1: They did not let Deshaun Watson really run at all
Speaker 1: in what we saw of him down the stretch November
Speaker 1: and December.
Speaker 3: They didn't barely let him run.
Speaker 1: And that is and we know Kevin Stefanski with Nick Chubb,
Speaker 1: it's always going to.
Speaker 3: Be a run first, running back first mentality there.
Speaker 1: So I'm not on Watson at QB nine at all.
Speaker 4: That's fair. I just think he has the ceiling to
Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen him finish a Q three and
Speaker 4: like that top three quarterback range. He actually has that ceiling.
Speaker 4: So maybe that was like this group of quarterbacks it
Speaker 4: feels pretty choky with Alan Mahomes and Hurts, so you
Speaker 4: know this group. But I'd still like Watson. He's got
Speaker 4: a lot of good weapons around him. He's got Cooper,
Speaker 4: he's got in Djoku, he's got a lot a newly
Speaker 4: free Elijah Moore, he's got chubbed, and he's got a
Speaker 4: great old line. It's just there's not a lot of
Speaker 4: things that he doesn't have around him in terms of
Speaker 4: the offense.
Speaker 2: So agreed.
Speaker 1: Dynasty wise, man, we got so many good young quarterbacks
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I don't think he really falls anywhere different,
Speaker 1: justin Herbert doesn't fall anywhere different in Dynasty to my mind,
Speaker 1: because all the guys that I would take before him,
Speaker 1: they're all young too.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, would you take Fields over Herbert and Dynasty
Speaker 4: because he took him over him in Redraft? Would you
Speaker 4: do it in Dynasty?
Speaker 3: No, I think i'd go Herbert.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the safety exactly. Yeah. I want a guy who
Speaker 4: I know is gonna play for the next ten years. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that.
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