1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast always goes for Tube. Welcome 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansus and I am joined by 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: weym filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, Colleen Wolf 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: and Greg Girls at all? What's up? Boys and girls? Hi? Hey, 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: what's up? Colleen? Are you a little be honest, little 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: disappoint You'll get your own intro? No, not at all? Okay, 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: you wanted to be part of the group, part of 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: the intro. It's a big moment. And and Mark and 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: exhale because Mark was where I was going to pull 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: some funny business and eliminate him from the intro. Well, 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: you don't have that control for starters, but I certainly 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: do not on any level. He could do whatever he 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: wants a the intro. What are you gonna three? Will Well? 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: The threat was to kick one of us off the show. No, no, no, no, no, 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: you misunderstood. I was gonna kick one of you guys 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: off the intro. And then you get a separate kind 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: of Well, I'm close with Sydney. I would just haven't 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: re recorded after would you all your parts taken out? 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: And the listeners would benefit don't be so sure, Sydney. 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: Is that true that you have a close relationship with Mark? Listen, 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: Mark and I are tight. Like I said on Twitter, 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: he's never once tried to ban me from going to Disneyland. 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: Something there. Listen, you gotta keep it real and it's 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: about performance and Disneyland should be earned. That's all she 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: is learning it. Let's how about that? I see, this 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: is why Mark and I are tight. Yeah, you're sick 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: of fen for Sydney. That's what this is about. Surprised Sydney. 29 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: I didn't see you at Frozen on Ice on on 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: Friday when I was a little I was a little 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: upset that you didn't like extend an invite. I would 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: have loved to be there with you. Sydney has a 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: lot of kind of buried heat fan base for Sydney. 34 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: I was I was producing the r j VP podcast 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: where that was brought up and it was never good 36 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: plug Sydney. I like that very Yeah, now there's an issue. Yes, 37 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: this is the Tuesday edition of the Around the NFL podcast. 38 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: A lot to get to. Great show. I'm excited. We're 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 1: going to do some news. We're going to Greg Rosenthal, 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: the Boss Rosie as some people call you, uh, enemy 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: as others call you. I can't. I'm I was told 42 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to talk about something that happened in 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: the newsroom today. So I'm gonna just say that. But 44 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: you started, you just did a little bit. I know, 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: but I can't get into it. It's it's that's all. 46 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: I'll say. It's killing me. Maybe one day, like we'll 47 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: talk about it on the show. I'm a friend to 48 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: everyone in this room, and that's what matters. This will 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: be told in the secret history of That's true. Uh. Yeah, 50 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: So we're gonna Greg wrote a piece the free agent 51 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: class of two thousand six looking ahead. I guess our 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: ranking of who are the best free agents? I find 53 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: that interesting and I'm sure the listeners um that you 54 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: know their teams have floated on off to uh that 55 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: great big football place in the sky no longer competitive. Uh, 56 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: you'll be interested to see what's coming up in the 57 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: free agency pool. So we'll talk a little bit about that. 58 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Thursday Night football this week. Uh. 59 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: Really one of the great matchups of all time, the 60 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: Buccaneers and the Rams squaring off. So we'll touch on 61 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: that we're gonna get Connor on the phone as promised Sunday. Uh. 62 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: You know we're gonna touch base on his Madden franchise 63 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: where that's at, because a lot of changes going on there. 64 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: But before we do any of that, let's start by 65 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: talking about what happened on Monday Night football. I like 66 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: that the New York Giants are back in first place 67 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: in the NFC East, if you could believe that following 68 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: a thirty one to win over the Miami Dolphins. The 69 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: star of the game was Odell Beckham. Uh. Two more touchdowns. 70 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: He was just unbelievable one and eighty four yard reception 71 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: to break a fourth quarter tie. Also an amazing catch 72 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: where he was able to just showed incredible body control 73 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: getting his feet down in possession of the football in 74 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: the corner. Eli Manning twenty seven of thirty one, three 75 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: thirty seven and four scores West watching it all and 76 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: rethinking his thoughts about Eli Manning as it happens, one 77 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: fifty passed. Meanwhile, the Dolphins or five and eight mathematically 78 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: limited from the playoffs. Total mess down there in South Beach, 79 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: Chris Westling, you provide the rite up four around the 80 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: NFL and I guess I'll start since I made that comment, 81 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: Am I incorrect that you were? You were not impressed 82 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: by Eli Manning. This was all about Odell Beckham. He 83 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: had what a hundred seventy six yards or something like that, 84 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: It could have been about two seventy. Eli underthrew him 85 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: on a pass that would have gone for a ninety 86 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: yard touchdown. Yeah, because Eli was so inaccurate on one 87 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: to night just saying, Okay, nobody could stop Odell Beckham. 88 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: Brent Grimes, who really was one of the best cornerbacks 89 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL over the past few years, has headed 90 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: down season. He had a MCL spring in October. Maybe 91 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: that's why, or maybe he's just thirty two years old, 92 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: but Odell Beckham had his way with him and Jamaar Taylor, 93 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: So to me, that was the story of the game. 94 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: I thought Eli Manning had one of the best games 95 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: I've ever seen him play. I've not been a huge 96 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: Eli uh fan in terms of his reputation compared to 97 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: I think what his level of play is over an 98 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: average sixty game season, but I think this showed what 99 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: makes him special. And Jon gruden Is was a perfect 100 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: announcer UH to be explaining it while you're watching, in 101 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: terms of changing the plays and the quick release and 102 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: the good decisions and knowing what the opposing defense is 103 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: gonna do and changing into the right play. And I 104 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: think you saw him operating at a very high level 105 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: against against the pretty lackluster defense, but operating at a 106 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: really high level. And I love the fact that Coughlin 107 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: had the guts to put it in Eli's hand and 108 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: put it in Beckham's hand and throw the ball twice 109 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: in that last four minutes sequence, including with under two 110 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: minutes left when a lot of coaches would have run 111 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: the ball there. He let his best players try to 112 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: win the game, and they did it. They finally made 113 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: the right decision late in the game. I mean, they've 114 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: blown five games where they had a lead and with 115 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: less than two minutes to play this season, Eli to 116 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: Beckham was working and got them to win. Mark Yeah, 117 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: I mean, and it's this NFC East is a absolute 118 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: portrait of madness. Six and seven, three teams tied to 119 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: top the division, but the Giants, I mean, it's it 120 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: has to do with what Kauughlin and Manning have done 121 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: in the past. I can't get that out of my 122 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: mind for some reason. But they had the best player 123 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: in the division playing at the height of his game 124 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: right now, and Odell Beckham. And that's why I forget 125 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: the Redskins and forget the Eagles, I mean, barring the 126 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: rest of the faceless team, because their defense is a 127 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: huge issue. If they can just keep it going on offense, 128 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: get those giants into the playoffs. I think for sure 129 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: at the end of this game that Eli and the 130 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: offense where they I thought they were going to find 131 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: a way to lose the game, and I know that 132 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: that's like almost a cliche at this point, so it 133 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: surprised me that they were able to take advantage of 134 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: that time and use it wisely. They converted on a 135 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: lot of first downs and Eli, I mean he made 136 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: he I think he completed all of his passes on 137 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: that final drive to Beckham at least, and just to 138 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: see what they were able to do there and not 139 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: mess it up. Plus, they were able to run the 140 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: ball too with Rashad Jennings when they handed it off 141 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: to him, at least, that was nice. I mean, rasha 142 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: Jennings didn't even get four yards to carry this this 143 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: team they You're right, the manning to Odell Beckham connection 144 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: is the best thing going on in the division, but 145 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: they don't do anything else well as a team. I 146 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: think it's been one of Coughlin's best coaching jobs. I 147 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: really do in terms of well because he has in 148 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: terms of a regular season and taking advantage of the town. 149 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the playoffs. Some of these failures 150 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: to close, though, you have to put up that's fair. 151 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: But my point is this is a four and twelve 152 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: type of team. I don't think people realize how bad 153 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: that the talent is on this team. All they have 154 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: is Eli Manning and Odell Beckham, who is amazing because 155 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: the Dolphins are trying to take him away. I mean, 156 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: that's it. They spent their whole Dan Campbell talked about 157 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: it at halftime. Look, we're sending double teams, We've got 158 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: bracket coverage. We're trying. Our game plan is not toled 159 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: O'Dell Beckham beatas he is the rare um East Coast 160 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: North New York athlete that is hyped up endlessly and 161 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: is actually worth every bit of the hype. He is 162 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: that good, I mean, in the league right away, and 163 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to really argue with that, and I think 164 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and Julio Jones are in that mix, but 165 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to argue that Odell isn't right there. Look 166 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: at his touchdown stats since Week five of his debut 167 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: last year. He has twenty four and Gronk is the 168 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: only player within nine. I have um two points I 169 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: want to get in about this, and one is Lamar Miller, 170 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: who that was the worst. Absolutely was primed to torch 171 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: the Giants and lead the Dobbins to a win. Uh. 172 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: Midway through the second quarter, he had sixty nine yards 173 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: and two touchdowns on his first seven carries. He saw 174 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: five carries the rest of the game while Ryan Tannehill 175 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: is throwing the ball forty one times. He wasn't injured, 176 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: he said after the game. He doesn't know why he 177 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: wasn't part of that wasn't part of the attack. That 178 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: was you can that was inexcusable by Dan Campbell. And 179 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: the other point I wanted to make was Jason Pierre Paul, 180 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: who is uh. He looks like Jason Pierre Paul. He's 181 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: fast like Jason Pierre Paul was before the fireworks injury. 182 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: He is disruptive like he once was. He gets into 183 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: the backfield. He's around the ball, but it's like when 184 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: he gets to the ball, he runs out of things 185 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: to do. And it's because he has a freaking club 186 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: on his hand and can't tackle anybody. I think that's 187 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: a fair point. I think that thirty eight yard touchdown 188 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: run from Lamar Millard JPP should have tackled him in 189 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: the backfield, and if he didn't have a club on 190 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: his hand, he would have tackled him in the backfield. 191 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: I think another thing too, John mentioned it a bunch 192 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: in the broadcast. I felt like I heard over and 193 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: over again him talking about Ryan Tannehill being able to 194 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: audible and how it actually worked a couple of times, 195 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: but he definitely needs to work on it just to 196 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: get some consistency there. But I felt like Gruden mentioning 197 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: it so much was almost a sort of like backhanded, 198 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: like a sort of a slap to Bill Laser. Last word, 199 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: that's true too, But this is such a Tannehill type 200 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: of game. Already passes for anyone passes and it's into 201 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: all short stuff, and they tried to go deep and 202 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: he did hit one deep pass, but how many did 203 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 1: he throw? Seven? Eight? And they only hit one of 204 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: him and he ends up with five point eight yards 205 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: per attempt and it just right. Yeah maybe, I mean 206 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: I like Lamar Miller last words, But if you've got 207 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: three or four different coordinators or play callers who don't 208 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: know how to use Lamar Miller, maybe it's something to 209 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: do with Lamar Miller. I think that every one of 210 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: these play colors does not like running him between the tackles. 211 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: Campbell should fire another offensive coordinator since this is what 212 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: he fired the last right, You've got a play caller 213 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: with his second NFL game calling plays ever that helps 214 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: an opposing team. If you, guys would indulge me, just 215 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: something I wanted to share with you. He's got it 216 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: slides across the goal line with that ankle. In college ball, 217 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: that would have been queen gross to the man, not 218 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: the ball. Dear Mike Ico, thank you for clarifying the 219 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: rules on touchback during the fourth quarter of Monday's game 220 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: between the Giants of Dolphins. As usual, you provide instant, 221 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: concise analysis on a section of the NFL rule book 222 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: that may have been foggy to the average NFL fan. 223 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: Me included Happy Holidays and sincerely, yours Dan podcast host 224 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: Los Angeles PostScript. I agree with you that Eli Manning 225 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: or Odell Beckham deserved to be Gruden's grinder, not middling 226 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: running back Rishad Jennings, clearly your partner, whose work I 227 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: also admire, cannot see the forest through the trees quite 228 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: like you. I thought I was the only one who 229 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: caught that. How can he take Gruden's grinder seriously? Ever? Again? 230 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: When he gives it the Rashad Jenny, Well, the whole 231 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: thing is he's trying not to give it to a 232 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: superstar or something. I guess like a grinder, it's got 233 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: to be some lousy player. It's like the All Madden Team. 234 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: It's the only thing that Dan likes more than inter 235 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: office drama is Mike Tarriko because this, and I agree 236 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: with it. Rico is an absolute pro. But we've had 237 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: multiple discussions about your love for Trico and it's genuinely listen. Well, 238 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to start reaching out to him. Yeah, 239 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: that was beautiful. Yeah, he's on Twitter, so maybe maybe uh, 240 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: some of our fans will reach out and let people know. 241 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: I want to do something a little more intimate and romantic. 242 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: When that that's a handwritten letter which we don't see 243 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: enough of any No. I think you did a good 244 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: job with that, Dane. Okay, so just remove the restraining order, Mike, 245 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: and I can get it to you. Uh, let's do 246 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: some news. We're gonna do this what alright, So let's 247 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: start with uh the Cincinnati ben Gals, who, of course, 248 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: we're dealt a crushing blow on Sunday, Andy Dalton suffering 249 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: a fractured thumb on a tackle attempt following an interception 250 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: against the Steelers. They got a little bit of good 251 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: news on Monday. Bengals coach Marvin Luis told reporters that 252 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: Dalton won't need surgery on his fractured right thumb. Dalton 253 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: he's not gonna play uh in Week fifteen against the Niners, 254 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: and the team is likely to take it week by 255 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: week to determine his availability. Um Ian Rappaport, the NFL 256 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: media insider, said a return for the playoffs really depends 257 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: and this makes sense obviously on how this bone heals. Uh. Listen, guys, well, 258 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: he talked about this on Sunday, one of the biggest 259 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: bummers of the NFL season. And West have you been 260 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: as you've been saying this season too? Many injuries are 261 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: making the game that as fun to follow this year. 262 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: But this Bengals narrative, Dalton narrative, having this wiped up, 263 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: what would be that would be a killer in January. 264 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: Hopefully we get him back. Yeah, football's a brutal sport. 265 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: That's why he has so many injuries. But I think 266 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson is pretty confident in a J. McCarron. He 267 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, he told Peter King Sunday night, We're gonna 268 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: do some good things with this kid. We're gonna open 269 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: up the playbook. They kind of had to throw their 270 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: game plan out last week, and Ajan McCarron still looked 271 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: pretty good. He went down the field at least he 272 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: Their first play with McCarron was a throw, which I 273 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: thought was telling and is first your second completion was 274 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: a seventy yard or whatever. It was touchdown to A J. Green. 275 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: So they they stayed pretty aggressive even though they were 276 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: behind in that game. And I love this sounds very 277 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: positive for Dalton. Reading between the lines, it sounds like 278 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: they think they'll have him back for Week seventeen and 279 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: if not, the wild card round. And I do not 280 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: discount the Bengals from beating Denver in Week sixteen. In Denver, 281 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: it would be an upset, but I don't think it'd 282 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: be a crazy upset. And if they win that game, 283 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: they're probably gonna get to buy seventeen points or less 284 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: for brock Oswiler offenses. Uh, since he's taken over as 285 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: it started, So they're not like ripping the league apart 286 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: right now. He wasn't the problem last week the Raiders game. No, 287 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: but he's not like a They're not like a juggernaut often. 288 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Here's the concern. And Bill Barnwell at ESPN wrote a 289 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: good piece saying, you know, don't think the Bengals are 290 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: done just because Dalton's hurt. But the problem is, even 291 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: when he does come back, he will have potentially three 292 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: four weeks of rust accumulated. He's still gonna have a 293 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: thumb that was recently broken that on his throwing hand. 294 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: So to assume that he'll then step back into the 295 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: lineup and be the Dalton that turned heads this year 296 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: and since then, I still in a very tough spot. 297 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Well that's fair, But the other picture we could be 298 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: stirring at is no Dalton for the rest of the 299 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: year and no Gronkowski in New England for the rest 300 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: of the year. Instead, what looked like an apocalypse ten 301 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: days ago is in a much better place. Well this 302 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: is the worst too, because the last thing I want 303 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: to hear about is Andy Dalton losing in January, Like 304 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: I can't deal with it. And I really thought it 305 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: was going to be over this year if nothing else, 306 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: like I don't even sorry, like the watching the Bengals 307 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: is really really fun, but for me it was more 308 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: about just like that narrative dying. I love that narrative. 309 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: That's that's no more. I think you're gonna have to 310 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: deal with it again, I know, which is awful. Well, 311 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: maybe in the Andy Dalton movie, which is come into 312 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: theaters in a in a couple of you got to 313 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: get to the darkest moment. You gotta get that injury 314 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: for him to become the hero. This is how Andy 315 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: Dalton breaks the street, coming back from a broken thumb. 316 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: And then he goes you ginger up Channing. I was 317 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: gonna ask two plays, Andy Dalton, ginger him up, a 318 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: little orange dye, put a crucifix around his neck, and 319 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: away we go. Well, your wife is a casting director, 320 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: so there's some osmosis you're getting you're getting better at 321 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: that trade. And we're like, maybe Tobey McGuire, like someone 322 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: that's totally unbelievable as a football. Now he's gonna get 323 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: jacked up if he's gonna play Andy Dalton. He's done 324 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: it before. All right, let's move on. Chuck Pogano. Uh, listen, 325 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Let's let's be real. I mean the Colts uh and 326 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: Chuck Pogano are maybe at an impast because when you 327 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: get a fifty burger hung on you by the Jaguars 328 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: and you are now in position to not win an 329 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: a f C South that's begging you to take it. Um. 330 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: Chuck Pagano could be in trouble a guy without a 331 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: contract beyond this year. But he he put things in 332 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: perspective in an interesting way. Uh. I thought on Monday 333 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: he had this to say, they can't eat you. They 334 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: can fire you, but they can't eat you. You know. 335 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: So if the worst thing is, you know, a year 336 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: from now, if I'm let's say I'm in Boise this 337 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: time next year playing with my granddaughters, I'm gonna be fine. 338 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: I like the way, uh child chess Pagan, what about that? 339 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: What do you think? Greg I find Chuck Pagano an 340 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: amazing quote, and you can totally see why his players 341 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: love him. I think you can divorce whether you think 342 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: he's the best coach in the league from that or not. 343 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: But if you went and got the ten best Chuck 344 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: Bagano quotes, he might take out any other quote any 345 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: other coach out there, maybe Bruce Arians And I've done 346 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: some studies on this. He's right. If they cannot eat you, 347 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: if they tried to do that, that's assault at best 348 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: and moida at worst. And I think we've learned things 349 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: like that just in this very newsroom at work. I 350 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: think we've seen some certain things happen and you and 351 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: you learn these less Colleen again referencing something that may 352 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: have happened, but we are not allowed at this time 353 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: to talk any further. I love this Chuck Pagana quote. 354 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: Probably my favorite quote of the sea is a good one. 355 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: It's true. I mean, they can fire you, but that 356 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: doesn't end your life. He could you could you challenge yourself? 357 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: You know, like Mark and I love Joseph Campbell. It's 358 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: all about going out into that forest, facing your darkest fears, 359 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: becoming a different person. Wait, you're saying you like that 360 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: Pagana quote better than Lashawn McCoy's chip can't shake. Yes, 361 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: I do. I will take Bruce Arians over Pegana or 362 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: anyone else. So in terms of the quote machine from 363 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: the coaching seat, someone compared to compared Pagano to Yogi 364 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 1: Yogi Barra a little bit, and if you go, if 365 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: you go with the top Pagana quotes, I mean, he's 366 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: just got some, He's got some good ones. And I 367 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 1: do like, like, I do think he has it in perspective. 368 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it is the cancer scare, which makes all 369 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: the sense in the world that that I don't think 370 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: he fears Jim Mercy like, oh, I think it reminds 371 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: me so much of Bruce Arians in Bruce Arians went 372 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: through something similar when the Steelers didn't want him back. 373 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: And if you watched Bruce arians A Football Life on 374 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: NFL Network, which was probably my favorite one so far, 375 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: humble plug, Well, I'm helping the network. Yeah it was good. No, 376 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: but his wife and Bruce and his wife are ready 377 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: to retire to Georgia, and Chuck Begana was the one 378 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: who called him and said, come with me. This even 379 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: feels a little like he's preparing himself. He sort of 380 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: posed what's going to happen, and he's getting in front 381 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: of it. And there has to be piece though. At 382 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: these jobs are number one, there's no job that brings 383 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 1: about more divorces than head coaching and assistant coaching. You're 384 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: in there twenty hours a day. You know your life 385 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: is completely consumed your critique NonStop. Sounds like an NFL 386 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: blogger to some degree. Maybe to come to the end 387 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: of that, though, when you see the writing on the wall, 388 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: because a number of coaches are getting these quotes all 389 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: the time, how safe is your job? It's demoralizing. Maybe 390 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: there's piece that comes with that. Though when you're hey, 391 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: you're still getting paid two more years too, you know 392 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: you're fine. Uh. In other cults news, Andrew Luck hopes 393 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: to practice this week, so they I mean they need 394 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. Matt Hasselbeca is all sorts of banged up. 395 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: He's suffered I believe three different injuries and the loss 396 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: of the Jaguars. Uh. So he hopes to practice, but 397 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't think he's set to return anytime soon. So 398 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: the cults have to figure out how to get this done. Greg. 399 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: We could see Charlie Whitehurst starting a massive game this Sunday. 400 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: It sounds like Luck is out this week, and it sounds, 401 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: according to at least an ESPN report, that that he's 402 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: uncertain to play the season. Now Luck said it differently, 403 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: and so there seems to be some sort of disagreement 404 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: whether Luck is going to be back. But you've got 405 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: Charlie Whitehurst. I also wonder you know Luck's going to 406 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: be a free agent this year. Paganos up in the air. 407 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: It's just a weird thing going on. Is there is 408 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: there any concern like, let's not risk anything with Andrew 409 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: Luck long term. That's my whole thing, like why why 410 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't you just as seeing what happens to the quarterbacks 411 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: they've put out there at this point, I would wrap 412 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: them up, put them on lay away for next year 413 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: because that offensive line isn't doing any favors for them. 414 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: They're not gonna beat any of the top AC teams, 415 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: let's face it, in the playoffs. That's the way. It's 416 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: a the fetus way to look at things, but it 417 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: makes sense a little bit by the way. Clipboard Jesus 418 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: versus t J Yates is a real thing with the 419 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: a f C South on the launch. Well, then next 420 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: week you've got a J. McCarron versus Brock Costs Wilder. 421 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: If your team doesn't sign a good backup quarterback next year, 422 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: your GM's not doing his job well. And you could 423 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: very potentially have if we get Andy Dalton back t J. 424 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: Yates first, Andy Dalton again in the playoffs. The Bengals 425 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: don't want any of that. Here's the thing. I know 426 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: none of us in this room believe it, but I'm 427 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: sure somewhere Andrew Luck believes that, and Pagano believes, and 428 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: there's people in that building that believe it that if 429 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: they can get a home game in the playoffs, and 430 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck is your quarterback, There's a lot of talented 431 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: players on that team, and crazier things have happened. This 432 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: is the very week where we would we were talking 433 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: about the Ravens having to change their entire organization. They 434 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: had just fired their offensive coordinator, they had just lost 435 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: by thirty five points, they just hired Jim Caldwell, and 436 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: they were six weeks away from winning the Super Bowl. 437 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: So there's at least belief in that building. I bet 438 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: that if they can somehow get this Texans game and 439 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: they can just get into the playoffs. That who knows, 440 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: you're in first place. You're paid, paid to win football games, 441 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: Go win them. Yeah, let the jag score. That defense. 442 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: Not a huge cult supporter at this point, it sounds 443 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: like it's great. They have one of the more boring 444 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: teams to watch that. Moving on, the Degreen Bay Packers 445 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: have made a business move to lock up one of 446 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: their best defensive players. Defensive end Mike Daniels signed a 447 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: four year, forty two million dollar extension on Monday. According 448 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: to rap Sheet, the deal includes twelve million in signing 449 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: bonus money and makes Daniels one of the highest paid 450 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: players at his position. Chris Wesling what makes Mike Daniels 451 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: special and is he's worth the money? Yes, he's worth 452 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: the money. He's special because how many guys are pass 453 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: rushers and run stoppers. He does both. He and Clay 454 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: Matthews are the best players on the Packers defense. We 455 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: have the free agent list we're gonna talk about in 456 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: just a few minutes. Mike Daniels would have been in 457 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: the top ten of that list. And this list is 458 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: always tease because most of the good players get kept 459 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: in the salary cap is supposed to go up above 460 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty million. Any teams that were in 461 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: trouble with salary cap, it's going up more than ever 462 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: because of all the TV money. I think this deal 463 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: is going to look like a bargain because whoever gets 464 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: out on that free agent market, who's who's good like 465 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: Mike Daniels, is going to get paid fifteen million dollars 466 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: a year. Nothing is more music to our years than 467 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: listening to the Boss pump up his own piece. It's 468 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: not even on the website yet. I was just saying 469 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: he was going to be on the list. He was 470 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: a top mark. That wasn't nice. It's the holiday season. Now, 471 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: what are you going after? The boss? He apologies that 472 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: was taken after me picking fights all day. It's just 473 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: in the air music to my ears. And I meant, 474 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 1: who's that guy that does all the oral histories for ESPN? 475 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: James Miller? Well, it's not for ESPN, but that's his thing. 476 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: When James Miller calls me to ask about the oral history, 477 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: Oh well you tell I beg yes. It would be 478 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: like Bill Simmons and the ESPN one. Bill seven could 479 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: not wait to destroy everyone and be the centerpiece of 480 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: that book, and that's what he was. I will be 481 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: fishing like a yenta, trust me. I can't wait. I 482 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: think could be a sneaky sniper because at this point 483 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: she's gonna be hosting her own show on who knows, ESPN, two, CNN, 484 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: NFL whatever, whatever it is, and she tells it like 485 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: it is. I think when when she's maybe not being 486 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: paid by the NFL, she's gonna take out some people. 487 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: She's got that Philly spunk. I would argue us that 488 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: we don't need six versions of NFL now because one 489 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: is perfect. All right. Finally, Uh, Greg, I'm sorry, I 490 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: gotta break this news to you. The Miami Dolphins lost 491 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: on Monday night meant that the Patriots clinched their seventh 492 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: straight a FC East title. And because of the timing 493 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: of all of it, uh, you know, there will be 494 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: no T Shirt and Hat Day in New England this Christmas. 495 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: What a Bill Belichick's time honor traditions. You said how 496 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: important was a T shirt and hat game that he 497 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: likes that he there's three three days all year that 498 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: can be the T shirt and hat Day. I think 499 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: it's you know, you win the division, you win the 500 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: conference and and he said it's something that's important to 501 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: the team and he likes it. Well, they've always done it, 502 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's now you know, they don't get it. I 503 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: guess I haven't really investigated this. They might just fake 504 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: it and do it. If they beat the Titans on Sunday. 505 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: I think another Lombardi Trophy will probably get them over 506 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: that disappointment. And I'm just grasping at Belichick knows how 507 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: to motivate mid twenties something millionaires hats going garb? Is 508 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: that what it is? I don't know. I mean, it's working, 509 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: isn't it. Seven. You know, Reg's been through a lot 510 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: this year as a Patriots fan, and I would say, 511 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: of all the seven titles that have come in a row, 512 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: I give you a lot of credit, Raig, because this 513 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: season we that we face to face, saw the adversity 514 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: the Patriots, the roller coaster that you saw it in 515 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: real time. Well, you open in the door for me 516 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: to talk about one of my most underrated records in sports, 517 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: that maybe they could get a T shirt for this 518 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: Dan if they can get a playoff by for the 519 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: sixth straight year, I think that's really says about as 520 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: much about this Patriots team as anything. No other NFL 521 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: team in history has ever had more than four in 522 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: a row. That was the Bill Walsh diners. You brought 523 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: it up. It's like, how impressive is that? Really? You 524 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: have to be a top four team. It is very impressive. 525 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: That's really impressive and all of sports. Tim Tim Duncan 526 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: has more fifty one, more fifty seeds, n F, NBA friend, 527 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: I said it was one of the more underrated ones 528 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: because no one talks about playoff? Is sane that there 529 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: one of the top four teams every single year, especially 530 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: in this second era, areb them fly around us? And 531 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: especially for Greg said, I will agree that it is 532 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: tough because you get you get the occasional twelve and 533 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: four team that pops up out of nowhere, and all 534 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: they want is show us respect, give us respect, of 535 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: us credit. I mean, they just do it year after 536 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Look at the two thousand thirteen teams 537 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: that gotta buy. How many got in the next year zero? 538 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: How many teams this year they got they gotta buy 539 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: last year. How many teams are going to get it again? Probably? Yeah, impressive, 540 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: But they've got Brady Gronk and Belichick. Give any team 541 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: those three guys and you're gonna win it. West putting 542 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: down the pail of water. I like that how the 543 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: Hill West comes no credit. But I mean to me, 544 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: it's just not that crazy or anything. I mean, they 545 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: got Tom Brady, they got the greatest quarterback who ever lived, 546 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: and the greatest tight end whoever. Their claim is denied. 547 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: Not an achievement. Could you could say they have the 548 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: greatest coach, quarterback end tight end in history. Right, So 549 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 1: that's your So that's your big point saying they're not 550 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: as impressive Verry moundane effort by the Patriots, just that 551 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: unexpected Mark. I know there's been a lot of loose No, 552 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: it's like it's a little stock in Stockholm syndrome with 553 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: Mark now with his Pats fandom, well getting aggravated by 554 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: West shooting down the point. I'm not aggravated. I see it. 555 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: Don't make fun of the Patriots. I love them, I have. 556 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: I see it as impressive in the NFL for anyone 557 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: to even get to the playoffs that many years. Mark, 558 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: it's December, that's Sessler, Patriots time of year. Come back 559 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: on the on the train. It really is all right, 560 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. Alright, let's talk about 561 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: UH Greg who's already had enough glory for one show. 562 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: Now we will talk about his latest think piece on 563 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: NFL dot com. UH, the Top twenty free agents. UH. 564 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: Free agency kicks off every March, um, so we are 565 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: just as a quick little look ahead now that we're, 566 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, in the final leg of the regular season. Here, 567 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 1: who will be the top free agents? And UH, I 568 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: think a good way to do this. Let's see you 569 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: have twenty here. Let's go through the list. Twenty fifteen. 570 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: UH Derek Johnson, Chiefs linebacker, Brock Osweiler, Bronco's quarterback, Interesting 571 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: Gennars Jenkins, Rams cornerback, Danny Trevathan, Bronco's linebacker, Andre Smith 572 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: Bengals right tackle. And Matt Forte number fifteen on this 573 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: list bears running back thoughts about that group, well, fourtey 574 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: is the highest running back and it's a really deep group, 575 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: which I was once I dove into this. I didn't 576 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: realize that until then. And if you need a running 577 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: back this year, you got Fote, you have Lamar Miller, 578 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: you have Chris Ivory, you have Alfred Morris, Doug Martin, 579 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: Doug Martin, he's the highest dog. Martin. That's my own fault. 580 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: I forgot forgot it and le Garrett Blunt. It's just 581 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of interest in running back down there. 582 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: Imagine adding fourtee to your team. Imagine if the Colts 583 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: had added forte. I love Frank Gore, but for adding 584 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: fourteen to that was that kind of what they did 585 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: last year. Like Gore the forte of the let's not 586 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: replace one over the hill, un him back with another. 587 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: But fourtee, if you watch him, hasn't shown really any 588 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: signs of being over the hill. His numbers haven't changed 589 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: at all. He's thirty. He's a few years younger than 590 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: than Frank Gore was going into last year. Alright, let's 591 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: giants the Lions, they could use him too, for sure. Uh, 592 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: Number fourteen on your list. Kirk Cousins thirteen. Sam Bradford, Oh, 593 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: that's gonna get West West bumped up. Cousins. Alright, nothing 594 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: wrong with that, I agree. Let me get through the 595 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: next view. Eric Weddle Charger safety at twelve, Russell o'coon 596 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: the Seahawks tackle at eleven, Bruce Irvin. Uh starts the 597 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: top ten. The Seahawks linebacker. Let's suck a little Kirk 598 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: Cousins Sam Bradford. Who would be more desirable in free 599 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: agency if you're going based on what they've done this year, 600 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: I think it's Kirk Cousins. No doubt, he's had a 601 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: better season. Sam Bradford does nothing on a weekly basis. 602 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: They impresses you. I mean he just he throws for 603 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: a two d and fifty yards, makes a player to 604 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: a game, and you hope he doesn't torpedoes offense. But 605 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: he has not had a good season. I know scouts 606 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: love him, so he probably will get I would guess 607 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: he'll get a better deal in Kirk Cousins, But I 608 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: I would go with Cousins myself. I'm with I like 609 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: Cousins more than other people. I think that we've established that. 610 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's He's certainly someone that I would as 611 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: a coach, wanna work with more than Sam Bradford. I 612 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: just can't trust Sam Bradford from a health perspective, and 613 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm not that impressed with when he is on the field. Yeah, 614 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean I look at the Philadelphia offense and it's 615 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: so just with Chip Kelly so hyper focused on that 616 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: offense and what Sam Bradford has done, I'm not sure 617 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: how he would be with other systems and other coaches. 618 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: An if Bradford was the Eagles quarterback again next year, 619 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if annoyed would be the word. It 620 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: would just maybe be frustrated, defeated. Area lower Ky tweeted 621 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: out of stat that the last week the Bills played 622 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: zero coverage, no safety help at all on a third 623 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: of the Eagles passes, and the Eagles could not make 624 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: them pay. That's why you saw so many deep throws 625 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: by Bradford and they could not make them pay. They 626 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: were basically saying, Bradford, you cannot throw it deep on us, 627 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: and he couldn't. Well, you're saying Riley Cooper can't take 628 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: the top off the defense. Wait, so you must really 629 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: think nothing of Kirk Cousins to put him under a 630 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: guy that people aren't even protecting. And I think their 631 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: mid level starting quarterbacks, I think their replacement level. Uh, 632 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 1: and that's worth a lot. That's there. It's already been 633 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: established that Gregg thinks so little of Kirk Cousins as 634 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: to never give him credit for anything. Oh give me, 635 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: I said, I wrote in the thing, he's he's a 636 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: poor man's Dalton at worst. I think that's his floor. 637 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: So that's that's a good thing, and maybe he's gonna 638 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: get better and better as time goes on. I don't 639 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: think there's any chance because the same problems that we 640 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: attributed to surrounding talent in St. Louis and bad coaching 641 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: are still there in Philadelphia. He never went down the field, 642 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: he always checked down. In St. Louis. He does the 643 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: exact same thing in Chip Kelly's offense. Dick nick Fole 644 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: and Riley Cooper were big playmaking machines two years ago. 645 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: That would be the mistake of GM would make is 646 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: if that you if you paid Sam Bradford on potential 647 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: at this point we're way past h right too, and 648 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: he didn't take the money. It's time. Well now that 649 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: was his mistake. Now he's he should take to me. 650 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: He should take like a Mark Sanchez contract at this 651 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: point of his career, which is not, you know, too lucrative. 652 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: We would love to get it, but he doesn't have 653 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: anything beyond that. But remember when the Eagles were trading 654 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: for him, the Browns tried to give up a first 655 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,479 Speaker 1: round pick other teams want to give up first round pick. Well, 656 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: that was before this season. If if the Browns are 657 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: any team that needs a quarterback thinks that he's gonna 658 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: go be your answer, now I'd have major issues. I 659 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: think team as well. I agree with you unately, this 660 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: is a more interesting quarterback market than usual. Cousins, I 661 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: really think it's going to get resigned. But Bradford, Cousins, Fitzpatrick, 662 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: he has I think Fitzpatrick is like Cousins and that 663 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: he has more value to the Jets than anyone else. 664 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: But he's certainly coming off. Where is he on this list? Well, 665 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: why is not just missed? Why is he not onoul? 666 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: I would take him, I think over Sam Bradford and 667 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. Greg, that's you did not put Ryan Fitzpatrick 668 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: on this list. Also, I wanted to go twenty five, 669 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: but into this morning got in the way. So I'm 670 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: about to blow the roof off. This entires. It's about 671 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: forward and in terms of his value in the market, 672 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: which is part of what it's about. There's no doubt 673 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: NFL teams are gonna pay Kirk Cousins and Sam Bradford 674 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: a lot more money. Cousins. What about Brock Osweiler. I forget, 675 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: not even Oswald because he's still only twenty five or 676 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: twenty six. But Sam Bradford, how does he in the 677 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: middle of this list as a guy that's thirty with 678 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 1: double A c L Tears and Ryan Fitzpatrick is playing 679 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: the best footballerslive and everybody thinks Patrick is thirty eight. 680 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: He just turned thirty three. But he doesn't get to 681 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: take Eric Decker, Brandon Marshall with him. No, and that's 682 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: not even it. He doesn't get the old Gailey with him. 683 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: I think he's worth a lot to the Jets, but 684 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: Bradford's twenty eight, and I don't think other teams that 685 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: don't have Chan Gailey. I mean, look, Fitzpatrick has been 686 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: a free agent very often over the last few years. 687 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: I don't think other teams are going to go after 688 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm disgusted. Here we go the top ten. Bruce Servant, 689 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: as I said, with the Seahawks, Doug Martin at number nine, 690 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: Malik Jackson the Broncos detail call at eight, Eric Berry, 691 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: the chief safety guy hates horses, number seven JPP uh 692 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: number six the Giants defensive end and uh yeah, we 693 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: talked about JPP during the recap of Money and Football. 694 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: But I would have the same concerns about he's gonna 695 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: command or think he deserves the type of contract he 696 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: got before he was hurt. But I would be very 697 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: wary if I was a team to give him big money. 698 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: And I think this whole thing since July four, it 699 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: seems more obvious than ever that he's not the easiest 700 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: guy to deal with. No, I mean, is he even 701 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: worth the hassle if he can't finish plays and he 702 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: can't wrap up as a tackler. He does and he's 703 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: kind of a headache. He does deserve some credit though, 704 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: for how he's bounced back from that pretty well. Right though, 705 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: there were months where it was like, we haven't heard 706 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: from the guy. He's on shutdown. We're trying to contact him. 707 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: So circumstances are pretty crazy. They were, but they were, 708 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: they were, But it was just weird. He was just 709 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: disabled and he had a fifteen million dollars is online. 710 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: There's a lot there were a lot of whispers that 711 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: this was not the first time he had been hard 712 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: to deal with for the Giants. I think he might 713 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: be the top the number one player of this entire 714 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: list that gets the free agency because there, Yeah, I 715 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: just think he's gonna get there and a lot of 716 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: these other guys. One man is the top player on 717 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: the free agents. That's that's what hey. Look, we had 718 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: Jared's Bird number one a couple of years ago, who 719 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: was before his back surgery though, who Bruce fired? Here 720 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: is the top five. Cordy Glenn Buffalo Bills tackle left 721 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: tackle Alshon Jeffrey Bears wide receiver number four, Big Moe 722 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: Wilkerson the Jets defensive end of three. Josh Norman Panthers. Oh, 723 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: they should have resigned Josh Norman before this. Uh, Panthers 724 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: quarterback number two and number one with a bullet. Von 725 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: Miller Broncos linebacker, one of the best players in football. 726 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: That is a juicy top five free agent class. I 727 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: love Josh Norman on there too. I mean, especially last year. 728 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: We were talking about how he was playing better and better. 729 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: But this year has just been so insane. And then 730 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: the fact that they've they're undefeated just put such a 731 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: magnified glass on him too. The dark Knight. And next 732 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: week he faces off against oh b j wearing jokers 733 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: that no one, no one's made more money for himself 734 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: this season than Josh Norman's not even closed. Doug Martin 735 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: has certainly done a good job having a monster contract here. 736 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: Mo Welkerson certainly hasn't heard himself, although he would have, 737 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: he would have gotten paid beforehand. He wants to be 738 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. Most of 739 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: these guys, though, you figure, I mean, von Miller and 740 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: Norman for sure, are not going anywhere. I mean, those 741 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: teams will find a way to keep them, whether it's 742 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: the franchise tag or just a huge deal. And it's 743 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: good to see like Josh Norman stay in Carolina potentially 744 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: because last year that cornerback market blew up. And then 745 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: you get Byron Maxwell, who we pegged early on is 746 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: being overpaid or we just we didn't trust him as 747 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 1: a number one shutdown cornerback and Eagles are paying the price. 748 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: How about what's the Patriot Um salary cap looking like? Okay, 749 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: Sean Jeffrey Tom Brady pairing for the Ages. Oh, I 750 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: don't think the Bears are letting now, Sean Jeffrey go 751 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: anywhere you have all Sean ad Matt Forte oh four 752 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: t is not getting paid? Yeah, I think he'll he'll 753 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: have to go. Jeffrey would be a fascinating guy to 754 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: get on the market. I mean, he's about his talented, 755 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: going after the deep balls anyone. Well, and what was 756 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: their whole plan when they drafted a wide receiver number 757 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: one last year? Which was too you got Brandon Marshall 758 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 1: out the door. You're not gonna let all Sean Jeffrey 759 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: suddenly go and have that hole open up. You wouldn't 760 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: think so. You wouldn't think that it is a new 761 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: GM and coaching staff and the one that brought him in. 762 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: But you wouldn't think that it wouldn't make any sense. 763 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: But the next time we really dig in on this 764 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: will be when the scientists put their heads together. Then 765 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: they come up with the annual top one oh one 766 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: list coming out in February. I can only hope Michael 767 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: Vick will once again we anchored at one oh one 768 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: for five straight months? Was there for a minute? Yeah? 769 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: So value ted gain check back in uh then, But 770 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: that is our look at the free agent class. Head 771 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: let's uh cycle back to this season. Thursday night preview 772 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers against the St. Louis Rams. This 773 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: game would have been more interesting. Let's face it had 774 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: the Bucks night not laid down this past week and 775 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: basically put their season into peril. So we got two 776 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: teams here, neither going to go to the playoffs. It's 777 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 1: becomes a battle between some young marquee players. Jamis Winston, uh, 778 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: Mike Evans, Aaron Donald, Todd Gurley your marquee names. On 779 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: Thursday Night, I thought we had a cool discussion for 780 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: the network hit who would you rather build around Aaron 781 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: Donald and Todd Gurley or Jamis Winston and Mike Evans? 782 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: And we were almost split down the middle. So that 783 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: means it's up to Colleen to break the tie. Who 784 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: was correct? And we're not going to give you the 785 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: identity of which people were on which side because we 786 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: know you favorite Sessler over the other three of us. Really, 787 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: let's get into that. That's news made that up. I'm 788 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: going with the Todd Gurley camp. Who old you know what? 789 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the two thousand and fifteen St. Louis rank exactly. Yeah, 790 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: you have fewer than the Bucks. The Bucks have a 791 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: few bucks a future. Yeah, but you can say that 792 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: about Jake Cutler and Matthew Stafford Earlier in their careers. 793 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: You could say that about Sam Bradford and Matt Ryan 794 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: after they one Rookie of the year. You just don't 795 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: know what the young quarter You are right west, but 796 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: let's say that after where you are right now, there 797 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 1: is indication that Jamis Winston will work out. And if 798 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: he works out, he saves jobs, that he builts stadiums, 799 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: He revitalized the city that's completely lost. A defensive tackle 800 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: does not do that, right, But if I have it, 801 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: But if we're building around, I've got the best running 802 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: back and best defensive tackle in the NFL for the 803 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: next half decade. And no one said I can't draft 804 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: a quarterback who works and you can also draft ten 805 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: over the next ten years. That's but I mean, that's 806 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: that's why it's a good debate. Rafted Russell Wilson. I 807 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: mean that worked out, sure, But Adrian Peterson has never 808 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: he's won how many playoff games? Well, what if the 809 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: Vikings draft at a quarter but he's the greatest. I 810 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: don't think I'm sentenced to never having a quarterback just 811 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: because you're just sentenced to having to search for one. 812 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: Which about how about how about the Seattle Seahawks who 813 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: had a franchise running back and Marshawn Linz hit on 814 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback and then they became a dynasty. So what 815 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Tad Gurley, who was a Hall of 816 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: Fame talent, and you could have Jamis Winson. I hope 817 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't become Josh Freeman. You're right, But there's also 818 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: seven teams ahead of Russell Wilson that didn't pick him 819 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: that are back looking for quarterbacks. So it's not that, oh, 820 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm just gonna plug this in in 821 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: the draft and find Russell Wilson. Part I mean, I 822 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: just like Jamis Winston a lot, So that's part of 823 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: it is. I do believe he's shown the sort of 824 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: traits and the maturity in terms of his football h 825 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: i Q going through progressions, the big arm, he's aggressive, 826 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: that he's gonna have a really good career. And then 827 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: I also think about the Bucks. The Bucks have been 828 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: in existence since end seventy seven or something, I don't 829 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: know seven. I think Damis Winston is already the best, 830 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, could be the best quarterback in team history. 831 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: But they have spent forty years in the world. But 832 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: he's almost as highly regarded as Joss Freeman was after 833 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: a second season TDD interception ratio, and Bill Simmons and 834 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: everyone else was going wild out. A strong piece on offense, 835 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: a strong piece on defense. I mean to me, you 836 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,760 Speaker 1: need that because nothing is worse than seeing an amazing, 837 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: high powered offense work and then having a dud as 838 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: a defense. There we go. There are both ways to 839 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: look at it. Either way, these teams have some nice pieces. 840 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,439 Speaker 1: Watch Thursday Night Football and NFL Network Color Rush, pay 841 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,760 Speaker 1: me NFL. Maybe maybe the Vikings will you know, lose 842 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 1: out here and the Bucks are still alive? How about that? 843 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: All right? I like that good sell in the game itself. 844 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: All right, let's before we get out of here. Colleen 845 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: has her NFL now duties she needs to get to, 846 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: so we want to make sure that we get Connor 847 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: ore on. And we gotta gotta check in with Connor. 848 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: Because we did. We got a couple of things to 849 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: talk about. The Connor actually um who of course, is 850 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: our New Jersey correspondent based in the suburbs. He owns 851 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: a home that he pays a mortgage on. Colleen can relate, 852 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: but perhaps uh, Connor is in a position where he 853 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: might have regrets and I think that you're pretty confident 854 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: about where you are in your life. Connor, are you there, buddy? 855 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm good. What's going on, guys and girls? There he is, 856 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 1: he's back. Uh Connor. First of all, let's let's talk 857 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: about you were You were with us on Sunday. We 858 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 1: just wanted to check in, Um, Sydney, do we have 859 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: the audio we were? We had two phone calls with 860 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: Connor on Sunday night, one that the audio dropped out 861 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: and we had to re tape. But there was there 862 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: was something that that was heard at the end of 863 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,800 Speaker 1: the first phone call that was troubling, to say the least. 864 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: So I wanted to resurface that Sydney luckily had it 865 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,879 Speaker 1: in the system. Let's hear how our first phone call 866 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: on Sunday night with Connor went, Yeah, viewer discretion is advised. 867 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: So I like that repeat that point you cut out 868 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: on us? There? You know there's a whoa we lost Connor? 869 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: M Yeah, let's move on. Weirre do things have happened 870 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 1: on you two weeks? I have more and more distressing 871 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: was the sound of like a man falling off a building. Alright, So, uh, Connor, 872 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 1: we need to know now what happened? How did that 873 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: first phone call get aboarded? So when when you like, 874 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,479 Speaker 1: someone could kind of inform me that the connection wasn't great. 875 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: So I stood up out of my chair to go 876 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: like find a better signal, and I ran into a 877 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: collection of very flimsy aluminum shelf that holds my beer 878 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: bottle collection. It was up. I was essentially just like 879 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: punished by like a hundred falling uh beer bottles. So 880 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: that night that sound uh and let's hear the sound 881 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: again of the bottles. So all right, so you're okay. 882 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: Is your beer bottle collection okay for the most part? Yeah? Um, 883 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: you know. The good part is it's a it's a 884 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: reward to be able to replace it, so you just 885 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: have to drink. I'm sad you've pulled back the curtain. 886 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: I kind of would have liked a sixty minute Ghost 887 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: Hunters style episode on that sound where we slowed it 888 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: down and they turned it into like the devil emerging 889 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,399 Speaker 1: out of Kremlin's or something. Is there any better mix 890 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: of adult and adolescent than Connor owns a house but 891 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: has a flimsy beer bottle collection that he walked into 892 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: in the middle of it. Well, his fiance is also 893 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: relegated to the basement. And why are you doing a 894 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,879 Speaker 1: cell phone call from a basement for anyway, let's let's 895 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,280 Speaker 1: move forward now, Conn and check in with your Madden franchise. 896 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: And I just want for those that are not aware, 897 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: let's let's set this up a little bit. Connor is 898 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: a huge fan of Madden. UH football. Is it on 899 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: your PS four your Xbox one? P three? Yes? Three? UH? 900 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: And you have you play fulls franchise seasons where not 901 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: only are you playing the schedule, you also run the 902 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: team from a day to day. Man, we should get 903 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: a sponsorship out of this. A sports come at us. Uh. 904 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: You run the team from a day to day operational standpoint, 905 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: right down to the pricing on the French fries and um. 906 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: But that you have also day to day power of 907 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: the roster, and you have been making some big moves. 908 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 1: You run the Patriots and what you did do UH 909 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: in the aftermath of UH deflate Gate, you released all 910 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: the players or they were taken from you by Roger Goodell, 911 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,919 Speaker 1: so you had to rebuild the roster. You made Griff 912 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,879 Speaker 1: Whalen the centerpiece, who in real life is a cell 913 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 1: him used wide receiving for the Cults. You made him 914 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: the centerpiece. He was having a historically dominant season. But 915 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: this was all set against the backdrop of a possible 916 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: move by the Patriots out of the New England area. 917 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 1: So can you now update us where we are now? 918 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,359 Speaker 1: A few months later, So we won the Super Bowl 919 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: and congratulations, thank you. Yeah, uh yeah, um and uh 920 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: in Griff was new m v P and we decided 921 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: on a new location and name, which is uh, we're 922 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: just absolutely thrilled about all right, let's hear. I know 923 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 1: there were there were different options about where you were 924 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: going to move. I think Tampa or the Florida Atown 925 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 1: Columbus Aviators Orlando. I believe was an option. Where did 926 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: you decide to move the franchise Columbus And we couldn't 927 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 1: sank them enough. Um, you know, it was it came 928 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 1: right down to the end. But uh, you know, we 929 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 1: felt with the people that we had there, with the 930 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,439 Speaker 1: culture that we were trying to build. NFL say hello 931 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 1: to the Portland River Hawk Hawk It's it's a it's 932 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: a super Bowl caliber football team. So you have this 933 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 1: is the breaking news. The New England Patriots are now 934 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: the Portland's river Hawks defending Super Bowl champions. Yeah, um yeah, 935 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 1: and it and it just gets it gets better and 936 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 1: better Portland Portland, Oregon or Portland, Maine, Portland, Oregon. But 937 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: we're going to remain in the a f C East 938 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: Okay issues and you know that actually was crushing for 939 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: the New England region that was maybe holding out hope 940 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 1: it would be in Maine and still be in the region, 941 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: but no other side of the country. Okay, what else 942 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: is going on? Now? Connor, you gotta phill us in. 943 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,320 Speaker 1: We got a new face of the team. Uhha, so 944 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,240 Speaker 1: excited to uh to build an offense around Nile Davis 945 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, uh, while we were really grateful 946 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: for all of the service that Griff Whalen provided, he 947 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:12,239 Speaker 1: will no longer be a part of the organization. So 948 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: Griff Whalen, who had roughly three hundred catches and what 949 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: were his status passes? And I'm just curious, Uh, two 950 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,480 Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen catch is three thousand, five hundred yards 951 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: and forty touches. And if you would figure out two 952 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: fifteen catches, his yards per catching maybe not that high, 953 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: but he's still going deep for long. So you decided 954 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,839 Speaker 1: to not pick up his option or just not offer 955 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 1: him a contract. Uh, and you went in a different 956 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: direction with middling running back Nigel Davis. Well, we're gonna 957 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: let you know in terms of the specifics, We're gonna 958 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: let new head coach Doug Maron kind of get into 959 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 1: why we let him go. But um, I'll just say 960 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 1: that the return on the trade, which not only included 961 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,879 Speaker 1: Nile Davis but Phillips supernawuh in a fifth round pick, 962 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,840 Speaker 1: we're the latest. It's uh, it's it's it's huge. What 963 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,240 Speaker 1: is um what has been the reaction from the fans? 964 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,320 Speaker 1: How important is it for you to really connect with 965 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: the fan base with the location and all the logistical 966 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,840 Speaker 1: things going on. I would say that there was a 967 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: huge issue at first, just because Portland is sort of 968 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,479 Speaker 1: the hipster sheet capital of the world and we sort 969 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: of built a like four billion dollars stadium in the 970 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: middle of downtown that will eventually bankrupt the community. But 971 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: it was it was oh yeah, oh yeah, there was 972 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 1: no way I was paying for that, and uh, you're 973 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: part of the problem, but it But I think that 974 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, when you think of Portland's you think of 975 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: a guy like Doug Moron, So I think they're really 976 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: going to connect. Yeah, I think it's gonna be. I 977 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,719 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a match made in heaven. Wow. 978 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: Well good, Well, first of all, let's let's just now 979 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,759 Speaker 1: break this down. Doug Moron, who went from head coach 980 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: for the Bills to uh meandering power play that led 981 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: to him being the offensive line coach in Jacksonville, now 982 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 1: back as the head coach of a defending Super Bowl champion. 983 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: The Patriots are no more The New England Patriots are 984 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 1: no more. They are now the Portland's river Hawks, led 985 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: by running back Nile Davis, who's been a healthy scratch 986 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: the last month for the Chiefs, a lot of pressure 987 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,720 Speaker 1: on him and Philip Supernawse involved. Have you contacted Miles Austin. 988 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,320 Speaker 1: I think what we really wanted to do. I studied 989 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly a lot, and we found that getting rid 990 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 1: of your best players after every season really helped move 991 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: the process along. So he was he was instrumental. I 992 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,839 Speaker 1: I I read a lot of his coaching lectures. Well, 993 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you've said it all, Connor, and uh, you know, 994 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,240 Speaker 1: I would think we should do one of those Amazon 995 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 1: gift things where people on the internet could help out 996 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,400 Speaker 1: someone else and buy them things. We got to get 997 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 1: con ps four um, but you've told us a lot 998 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 1: about the river Hawks Patriots. Yes, this is always very 999 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 1: revealing from a personal standpoint as well. Thank you very 1000 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,359 Speaker 1: much for the update, Connor. We look forward to hearing 1001 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,800 Speaker 1: what comes next for Yes, the NFL Super Bowl champion 1002 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,000 Speaker 1: Portland river Hawks. Thank you. And just to make sure 1003 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:24,160 Speaker 1: you're pronouncing that correctly, it's river Hogs. It's a land 1004 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: in Is that like an American euphanism? Euphanism for a hippo? 1005 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I've never heard of that pairs 1006 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 1: well with what is it right now? And absolutely I 1007 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 1: rate Seahawks franchise that has seen half their fan base 1008 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,839 Speaker 1: torn away from him. Somehow, this this somehow got worse 1009 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,360 Speaker 1: the Portland river Hogs. All right, great, thanks for clarifying that, Connor, 1010 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,920 Speaker 1: and we'll catch up at you soon. Always a pleasure, 1011 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 1: Thanks guys. I mean that for a guy that's it's 1012 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 1: it seems like it's kind of like the precipice of madness. 1013 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,920 Speaker 1: He really has it together. I mean, he's an owner 1014 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 1: that he's nothing seemed mad about to me. What I 1015 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,080 Speaker 1: like about carsmatic I'll tell you that he frames the had. 1016 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,920 Speaker 1: The obvious happiness inside the organization is we were just 1017 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,000 Speaker 1: so happy to sign Griff Whale, and we're just so 1018 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: happy to trade the NFL's best receiver of a it's 1019 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: a it's a it's a group thing. It's it's just 1020 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: it's innovative. His moves as a GM are just as 1021 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,960 Speaker 1: gutsy as his picks, but far more successful. I'm almost 1022 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,439 Speaker 1: surprised there aren't. The Portland gun Slingers would have made sense. 1023 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: But River hogs. Uh, I could see that moving a 1024 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,520 Speaker 1: lot of units, uh, in terms of equipment and jerseys 1025 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,400 Speaker 1: and things like that. All Right, that was great. That 1026 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,800 Speaker 1: was sincerely tremendous. So thank you, Connor. That is it 1027 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: for Tuesday's edition of the Around the NFL podcast. Colleen, 1028 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,879 Speaker 1: thank you once again for joining us. Oh my god, 1029 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:49,200 Speaker 1: West is showing me a red River hog hideous beast. 1030 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,719 Speaker 1: Oh that's cute. Welcome you have so one little bit 1031 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,720 Speaker 1: of news in this Well, I'm looking at it more closely, 1032 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,760 Speaker 1: and I thought it affected a sandwich bet. The Browns 1033 00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,919 Speaker 1: signed a free agent with the last name of Richard 1034 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,719 Speaker 1: sent a running back. But I'm looking closer and it's 1035 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:08,360 Speaker 1: Darryl Richardson, you know, to workout on Tuesday. Mark and 1036 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,000 Speaker 1: I have a sandwich wager that Trent Richardson will never 1037 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: play another down. That's where I come down on it. 1038 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,799 Speaker 1: Mark is holding out. Hope we'll see what happened. Yeah, 1039 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,000 Speaker 1: uh so yes, we will be back on Thursday night, 1040 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,800 Speaker 1: of course with our week fifteen preview show and a 1041 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,400 Speaker 1: recap of that Thursday night game in St. Louis. Will 1042 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,399 Speaker 1: make sure you check that out, and uh make sure 1043 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,360 Speaker 1: you comment on iTunes and give us a positive star reading. 1044 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: If you comment, we might even read it down the line, 1045 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: so that is good news. But until then, this is 1046 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: Dan Hansens signing off for Quiet Storm, The Mailman, The 1047 00:54:45,600 --> 00:55:20,200 Speaker 1: Wolf Woman, Connie Fox, the Boss, and Seed behind the Glass. Hey, 1048 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,920 Speaker 1: what's up? 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