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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. Author, speaker, researcher Vicky joy Anderson specializes in

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Speaker 1: exploring the fringe and paranormal. With forty years of experience,

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Speaker 1: terrifying sleep paralysis expert. After many years in corporate management,

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Speaker 1: Vicky Joyce stepped out in faith to become a full

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Speaker 1: time author and speaker in twenty nineteen, a calling she

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Speaker 1: received when she was ten years old. She attended the

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Speaker 1: University of Northwestern at Saint Paul, Minnesota, where she majored

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Speaker 1: in Bible and received a Bachelor of Science degree in

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Speaker 1: English and a writing emphasis there. Vicky joy Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the program. Thank you, George, Thanks so much for having

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Speaker 1: me sleep paralysis. How did you get involved in this? Well,

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Speaker 1: not by choice. This was something that was foisted upon me,

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Speaker 1: well well before I could even have a concept of

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Speaker 1: what was happening to me. My first coherent memory of it,

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Speaker 1: I was probably around three years old based upon the

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Speaker 1: house that we were living at the time, That places

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Speaker 1: me at about nineteen seventy oh five or so. But

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was bad dreams, but they were intense,

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Speaker 1: they were frequent, and in my attempts to try to

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Speaker 1: explain to my parents what was going on, I you know,

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Speaker 1: I had the vocabulary of a three, four or five

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Speaker 1: year old, but I knew enough even at that age

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Speaker 1: to know that there was something very unique about these dreams.

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Speaker 1: I would always preface it. I would go to my

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Speaker 1: mom the next morning and I'd say, I had another

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Speaker 1: one of those dreams last night, because even as a child,

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Speaker 1: I had a sense that there was something very different

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Speaker 1: about it, and I would explain to her in you know,

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Speaker 1: very juvenile terms. You know, they're so weird, Mom, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I'm awake or asleep, because I can

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Speaker 1: see my bedroom and I can see my Teddy Barrett.

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing the same pajamas that I went to bed in,

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Speaker 1: and so, I mean, it had to have been a dream,

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Speaker 1: but it really felt like I was awaken. I was

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Speaker 1: perplexed by it for many, many, many years. And I

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Speaker 1: guess there's an upshot to everything. George. As off putting

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Speaker 1: and disturbing as the experiences were, because they happen frequently

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Speaker 1: for about forty years, forty plus years, but the upshot

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Speaker 1: to it is that when something happens repeatedly, it gives

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Speaker 1: you the opportunity to observe and to test things, and

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Speaker 1: to theorize and then try things out and experiment, so

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Speaker 1: to speak. And so I would think I was able

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Speaker 1: to learn and unmask and kind of untie a lot

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Speaker 1: of the conundrums that are associated with this because I

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Speaker 1: just had so many opportunities to interact with the experience.

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Speaker 1: So many scientists and medical practitioners, VICKI downplay sleep paralysis, You,

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, take that very serious look at it.

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Speaker 1: I do, George, and I really feel like we are

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Speaker 1: at an era now in as several of the rungs

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Speaker 1: of disclosure have been m carried forth that I think

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Speaker 1: we're finally ready as a society to have an intellectually

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Speaker 1: honest discussion about this. There's been a lot of gas lighting,

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Speaker 1: UM in the medical community, in the scientific community, in

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Speaker 1: the spiritual community, both Christianity and New Age alike. It's

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Speaker 1: a very triggering topic on every side. UM. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of um, you know, religious groups, you know,

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Speaker 1: post you know, you know, we're we're we're living you know,

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Speaker 1: post Stoic, Greek stoicism, scientific method. You know, there's not

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Speaker 1: a lot of room, uh for the supernatural to be

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Speaker 1: discussed amongst learned, educated intellectuals. We don't really have a

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Speaker 1: lot of time for that. And so in the past,

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Speaker 1: people who have tried to explain these experiences for desire

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Speaker 1: to be helped and to be relieved of the harassment

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Speaker 1: and the torment, have sought out doctors and psychiatrists and

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Speaker 1: counselors and pastors and friends, and the usual categories that

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Speaker 1: most people get put into is schizophrenic, mentally ill, crazy, delusional,

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Speaker 1: attention seeking, or if you're in religious circles, then it

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Speaker 1: is you've invited this, you've dabbled in the occult, or

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Speaker 1: you've opened some sort of door through some sinful behavior.

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Speaker 1: And what all of it equates to is this is

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Speaker 1: your fault. What have you done? You deserved this, and

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Speaker 1: there's really no relief, which brings further isolation to the

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Speaker 1: people who suffer from this on a consistent basis, because

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Speaker 1: we learn very early you've got to keep it to yourself,

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Speaker 1: it becomes a very isolating journey. As the letters that

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Speaker 1: only confirmed Vicky explained to us the physical aspect of

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Speaker 1: sleep paralysis and what happens to somebody. Sure, there is

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Speaker 1: a vast array of things, and some people experience only

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Speaker 1: say they feel like something is sitting on them, they

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Speaker 1: There are sensations like vibrations, and this can include auditory

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Speaker 1: people see shadowmen and hat men and gargoyles and incubus

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Speaker 1: succubus experiences where it's an actual sexual violation and some

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Speaker 1: of these people that have the physical altercations can at

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Speaker 1: times wake up with actual physical evidence on their body

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Speaker 1: bruise or something to that effect. Nicky, what was the

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Speaker 1: motivation for the book They only come out at night. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, the motivation originally was just my own quest

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Speaker 1: to find relief. You know, there's a point after forty

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Speaker 1: many of us have in the past five to ten years,

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Speaker 1: you realize how many other people are going through this,

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Speaker 1: and in some cases way worse than I experienced, and

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Speaker 1: head and sent home. And you know, at risk of

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Speaker 1: being melodramatic, but George, you have to kind of guests

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Speaker 1: on where I'm sure you've heard the fe million times.

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Speaker 1: I believe that humankind is embroiled in a cosmic war,

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Speaker 1: and sleep paralysis is a gateway into an astral classroom,

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Speaker 1: if you will, and this is where human beings they're

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Speaker 1: being schooled in doctrines. And these doctrines are what the

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Speaker 1: Book of Enoch referred to as eternal secrets, which were

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Speaker 1: man is still striving to learn this, and mankind can

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Speaker 1: learn these things in the astral plane. But bad news

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Speaker 1: if you keep reading. Enoch also says that these eternal

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Speaker 1: good stuff. The secrets that were revealed were worthless secrets.

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Speaker 1: That's what the Book of Enoch says. So, George, the

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. This is nothing more

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Speaker 1: Handful and Gretel on a cosmic scale, and we have

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Speaker 1: to understand that not everyone who invites us into their warm,

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Speaker 1: use a military term. The soft targets are obviously the

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Speaker 1: It was unwanted, it was it wasn't even unintentionally conjured

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Speaker 1: And so I do believe that in some cases, you know,

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