WEBVTT - Vince Is Out - Retired 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:08.120 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:14.600 Read Let's get it all? How's it going to everybody? 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.760 Brian Alvarez here on or Wrestling Observer Live. We are 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.680 here every day Monday through Friday, New Pacific, three Eastern, 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.760 Sunday three Pacific, sixth Eastern. Believe it or not, I'm 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:30.080 not traveling today. I think four straight times I was 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:35.479 traveling when massive news broke about Vince McMahon and and 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.440 w w E. But today I am here and there's 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.280 a lot to talk about if you have not heard, 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.240 and that would be very difficult seeing as that was 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.839 actually in the top of the hour news on Sports 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.920 Byline a moment ago. Vince McMahon has at least this 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.440 was the claim, voluntarily stepped down as w w EA 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.880 chairman and CEO. Well, the company's Special Committee of the 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.720 Board investigates a ledge had misconduct. Stephanie McMahon named interim 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:08.600 CEO and chairwoman until the investigation concluded. So this, of 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.399 course was the story that came out a while ago 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.080 that he had stepped down. Now he's out. What do 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.080 I mean by out? Well, if you would have gone 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.040 to uh w W dot com early this morning and 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.320 checked out the list of corporate members everything like that, 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.640 Vince McMahon was listed. Now no longer listed. He is 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.960 at this point completely out of the company officially. I 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.640 suppose he might call Stephanie Triple H and go Austin 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:43.560 in the briefcase, but he's gone. The new head of 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:48.400 Creative is Triple H. Stephanie McMahon and Nick con are 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:54.360 the co CEOs of the company. Vince McMahon, he's uh, 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.640 he's effectively done. He's no longer on the board of directors. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.880 And there was a w w E eight K filing 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.760 that came out today that had a lot of information 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:08.880 about what's going on. Fourteen point six million dollars is 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.160 what they have found at this point. That easy amount 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.640 of money that has been paid out. It is possible 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.800 there is more money to be paid out, and obviously 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:19.600 we had a lot to talk about. So stick around, everybody. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:47.359 Back in a moment, Wrestling Observer Live, back in the show. 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.160 Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike Sumburviv also Wrestling 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.560 Observer dot Com. I presume everybody listening to this knows 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.960 the story of what happened with Vince McMahon. I don't 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.320 think I need to go back at the very beginning, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.400 but we can talk about what happened today, and if 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:04.880 we need to go back to the beginning, I guess 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.920 we can. Triple H now in charge of w w 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:12.799 E Creative Company. Saturday press release this morning formally announcing 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.600 Nick Cohn and Stephane McMahon appointed by the board as 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.760 co CEO SLAVEC, taking over the role previously held by 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.120 Vince McMahon, who announced his retirement on Friday. My God, 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.120 the Wrestling World. Paul Ecki assume all were supposed to 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.440 be related to w w IS Creative In addition to 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:34.320 his regular duties. The press release states announced on Friday 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.440 he has resumed his role as e v P of 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.560 Talent Relations. I presume that John lord Iitis is just 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:44.200 quietly ridden off into the sunset. They have not officially 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.680 announced he's gone, but Triple H got his job. I 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.680 look forward to returning to my prior position as head 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.920 of Talent Relations. I'm healthy, fired up, and ready to 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:58.720 take charge, LEAVEC said in the release. And then there 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.880 was a w w E A K that came out 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:07.880 today and due to quote certain unrecorded expenses by Vince 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.720 McMahon dating back to two thousand six, ww announced Monday 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:17.520 via regulatory statement that they would restate several financial statements. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:22.719 The statements for one and the first quarter of two 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.240 would be revised. Now this is the key to the 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:32.560 whole thing. The expenses total fourteen point six million, which 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:38.520 McMahon will pay back. McMahon is currently under investigation by 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.440 a special committee of w w e's Board of directors 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.400 for alleged hush money payments towards four other female former 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.279 female employees totaling twelve million over the past sixteen years. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.640 The largest of these totaled seven and a half million 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.680 to a single person. McMahon, who had voluntarily stepped down 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.280 as chairman and CEO while the investigation was going on, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.400 retired on seating all responsibilities. By the way, it was 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:08.520 noted in the eight K that he uh he resigned, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.599 He did not retire. Vince McMahon said that he just retired. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.239 I have somebody seven, I've done enough and etcetera, etcetera. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.840 So here's here's uh, here's what I gotta say about this. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.360 Then we'll get some thoughts from Mike. I got a 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.600 few things to say, So buckle up, should I adjust 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:31.120 my my my chair? Okay, well listen, here's the thing. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:37.680 So Vince McMahon, obviously these n d A s, they 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:42.719 are real. Whatever happened, he paid off at least that 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:50.480 we know of, four women totaling twelve million dollars they 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:55.200 have claimed, and he has claimed that he used his 0:05:55.320 --> 0:06:00.600 own money to pay off these women in these nd 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.560 as his own money, that's what they said. Now they 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.360 are reporting that their expenses totally fourteen point six million, 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.760 which Vince McMahon must pay back. Now. When everybody read 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.520 that this morning, the presumption was, well, he must have 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.520 used company money to pay off these nd as well, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.599 they have. They have reiterated today that Vince used his 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:30.120 own money to pay off these women. These were his 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.520 personal funds, which then begs the question, well, if these 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:38.919 were his personal funds, why does he owe the company? 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:43.400 Why is he paying the company back? Why would you 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.960 pay back fourteen point six million if you used your 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.640 own money. This doesn't make any sense. So I have 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:56.919 a theory. I have a theory. My theory is that 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:02.760 there are two issues here. Okay, let's say let's say 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.960 that I hire Mike semper Viv. All right, and I've 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.160 been paying Mike semper Viv. We'll we'll just make it 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:17.560 uh uh, I'll make all all uh you know, well, 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.160 what what's the word when you you know, up or down? 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:26.320 I'm getting old? Uh, rounded off, I'll round it off low. Okay, 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.640 Let's say I'm paying Mike semper Viv round off, thank you, 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.160 a hundred thousand dollars a year. Okay, I hired him, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.400 I'm paying him a hundred thousand dollars per year. So 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.200 then I decided, you know this, Mike simper Viv is 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.760 a good looking guy, and so I then proceed to 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.920 have an affair with Mike Semperviv. Okay. Now, after doing this, 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.560 I realized, yeah, I don't really want this to get out. 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.200 I mean, so I decide I'm gonna I'm gonna, you know, 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.880 we're gonna do an n D A and Mike, I 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:04.120 will pay you one million dollars to keep quiet. Okay, 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.760 So out of my own bank account, I pay you 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.200 ten million dollars or one million dollars to just you know, 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.160 get out of here. Okay, go away. Don't ever mention 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:14.960 this again. This is our n d A. I'm giving 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.760 you personally million dollars. So then you know, it kind 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:23.720 of comes out and then Dave and Tony and everyone realized, Bro, 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.080 you paid this guy a hundred thousand dollars a year 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:31.360 for the last decade, you know, or twelve let's just 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.959 let's just say so. Then maybe the idea as well, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.680 you know what, he employed that guy for twelve years 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:39.959 and during that time that he was having an affair 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.319 for him or with him. You know, we want that 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.960 twelve years of payments that he paid Mike back. Maybe 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.240 that's what's going on here. Maybe this twelve million dollars 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.040 is well the amount of money that we as a 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:57.000 company paid these women while Vince McMahon was having a 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.240 He could pay the NBA's out of his own pocket, 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:04.160 but we want them money back that he, you know whatever, 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.520 had them paid by the company for the course that unemployment. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.880 That might be what it is, because otherwise it doesn't 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.600 make any sense to say he paid these NBA's out 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.600 of pocket, but he also owes us the money. It 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.679 doesn't mean either he either it was company funds or 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.400 this is a separate issue that he's paying them back 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.640 for so I don't know what's going on. But the 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.760 reason I brought all of this up is because of 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.160 the fact that he must now pay the company back 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.560 for whatever reason. For whatever reason it is, company funds 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.840 were used as part of this scandal. Because of that, 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:41.559 there's no coming back for Vince McMahon. There's no returning. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.240 When the heat dies, he's out, he's done. The the 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:51.720 era of Vince McMahon has ended and uh and therefore 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.960 we can now look to whatever the future brings, which 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.720 we will get to in a moment. But first off, Mike, 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:02.240 any thoughts on on all of this. It shoots off 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.040 in so many different directions, and there's so many angles 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.200 that we're going to end up talking about over god 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.680 knows how long and all the change of years. As 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.480 the changes go on. We're not done with this yet 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.520 because we don't know what the board is going to 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.840 report and what the whole internal audit is going to 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:25.079 give us. One thing that is for sure is they're 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.920 going to be structural changes inside the company. I cannot 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:34.320 believe that there will not be, and how they get 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.840 done I don't know. But now we have a situation 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:42.120 because of this a k SEC filing where internal auditing 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.360 by the accounting department is now, Hey, we've got to 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.760 tighten this up. They're going to have to tighten up 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:53.920 everything that happens with the culture of that workplace. The 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.959 reason that John Laurenitis nothing has been announced about him yet, 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.800 as I am assuming, because the board has not gotten 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.240 their findings yet and are not going to break everything down. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.320 There is still more that's going to come from this. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:10.559 Vince McMahon has got eight of the voting power of 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.600 that company. He can still move things. But will he 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:18.120 have to divest some of that any of that, none 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.079 of that. Will have to see what this World Report 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.760 actually comes in States. But a lot of people thought 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.920 this thing was done and over with and Vince was 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.480 going to be able to shake it off and be 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.640 done with it. That obviously proved that that was not 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.400 the case. And we'll have to see what the Real 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:38.920 Sports Report is going to be from HBO. We know 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.319 the tact that Vince has taken with them in the past. 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.480 It will be interesting to see how w w E 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.000 is treated in this, how they treated Real Sports back. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.240 I mean, that's that's fascinating to me. And a lot 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.040 of people were saying, well that nobody else's reporting on 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.000 this stuff. Bottom line is Wall Street Journal was just 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.680 step one. Other people wanted to do their own reporting. 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:01.760 We seen variety kind of reach out and do little 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.199 pieces of it. We'll see if this HBO one is 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.000 the only one that happens, well, I will I will 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.120 say that there are rumors that the Real Sports HBO 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.600 Real Sports story on Vince's uh one person used the 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.880 term I shouldn't even say, let's just say damning, and 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.240 that there might be another Wall Street Journal article coming 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.560 out this week, so they may have gotten ahead of 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.120 things with his resignation on Friday. Back in the up 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:40.200 with more Observer life bagging the show. Brian Elber is 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.720 here wrestling Observer Live. Mike Zimberviv also Wrestling Observer dot Com. 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.720 This person suggests perhaps he used his own money and 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:51.280 then expensed it. Company paid him back and he got caught. 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.360 Now he has to pay them back an unrecorded expense 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.400 or expenses. So yeah, one way or the other. I 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.560 mean this is now that this has come out, he 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.640 owes the company fourteen million dollars for all of this 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:08.320 as noted. I mean, there's no there's no Vince McMahon 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.080 coming back from this one. So what does the future hold? 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.959 What does the future hold for w w E. Well, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.079 you know, at least I want to make that thousand 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.640 dollars on that braun Breaker breat Okay, I'm glad about 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.760 that one because you know he's gonna get a big 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.800 push and he's gonna headline to WrestleMania probably, uh, perhaps 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.559 sooner rather than later. But hey, remember those times that 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.200 I said so and so was it can't miss on 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.080 the main roster. Oh, this person, you can't miss on this, Oh, 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:41.559 you can't miss Guess what? Well? Things have changed, Things 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:46.120 have changed. Listen, Triple H. He had his highs and 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:47.760 lows when he was in charge of n x T. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.760 Those takeovers awesome because what he did was he would 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.079 put together what would be an awesome card and then 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.520 work backwards. Name the last bad takeover that was put 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.319 together by Triple H. Is every w w E paper 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.080 you're gonna be like a takeover? Well, of course not, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.280 because I think even you know, everybody realized, well, things 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.520 are different on the main rosters compared to UH, to 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.560 n x T. But it's not that different in the 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:17.800 sense that this was a guy that was open to 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:23.280 using anybody that was able to work and get over. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.160 I mean, as I talked about today on the Breaking 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:31.720 News audio with Dave, look at how over Sammy Zane 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.280 was when he was in n x T and compare that. 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.560 I mean, he's his He does a great job with 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.440 his current character today, but he isn't in the universe 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:41.960 of his over as he was when he was in 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.200 n x T. You guys, I'll talk about the women 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:49.160 and Sasha Banks and Bailey, with the exception of when 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:55.960 Becky just exploded on the main roster in early which 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.560 I mean that was never the plan. She managed to 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.520 pull at off for a lot of different reasons, but 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.800 all of them, they all were at their peak when 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.240 they were in an x T. Why did Adam Cole 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.480 leave and go to uh go to a W Well 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.080 they want him to go to the main roster and 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:18.560 be budge and a manager on the main roster and 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.200 uh what did what did Triple H do with with 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.120 Adam Cole? What did you do with Johnny Gargano? What 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.240 did he do with with all of the top stars 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.520 that he was given? Who did he push? I mean, 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:34.040 the fact of the matter is I am over the moon, excited, 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:39.320 at the possibilities of Triple H. Uh w w E 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.160 with Vince McMahon completely out of the picture. You ever 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.120 watch those video packages? What do you like better the 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.600 video package such on on those old n x T 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.280 shows when Borash was in charge, or the stuff that 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.840 we see we see nowadays the production. Some some well 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.160 I'm sure argue the stuff on the main roster, but 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:01.240 not me. They had some awesome austin some video packages, 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.400 the crew that they had down there in n x T. 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.440 The idea of seeing some of that old school n 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.640 x T stuff being brought to the main roster. It's 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.640 not gonna be totally the same, but we're gonna see 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.720 a lot of those things that Triple H did right. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:15.920 Here's the key. We're gonna see a lot of those 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.600 things that Triple H did right and all those things 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:24.400 that Vince did wrong. He's gone. So yes, I'm excited. 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.160 He's a pro wrestler. What about you, Mike. There's a 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.760 big delay there. Apparently he's a pro wrestler. And even 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.360 if you wanted to say he's a sports entertainer, fine 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.600 bottom line is is he's worked in the ring. He 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.480 knows how to bring people up and down. Vince. Yeah, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.000 he did it to a certain degree, but he was 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.680 Vince and he had his certain vision. I think when 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.760 you put a professional wrestler in there, they're going to 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.840 look at things differently and some maybe wins and losses 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.920 are actually going to matter more. Maybe not every physical 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.400 body type is going to matter as much as how 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.720 you can make people react. Maybe because the scripts are 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:14.240 still going to be there for lots of guys, maybe 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.119 guys who don't need those, maybe we see less of 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.600 that and more talking points given to people like, oh, 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.840 I don't know who would be a good triple h 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.800 one who is going to have a long life there? 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.520 Kevin Owens, who's going to have a long life anyway? 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:32.240 But you know what does Kevin Owens? Does Kevin Owens 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.440 need anything other than some talking points to go out 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.879 there and do anything. Of course he doesn't, you know. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.560 So hopefully we see a little of that loosened up. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.760 Hopefully we see a lot of the terminology that Vince 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:50.280 absolutely loved, pronounced pal, all that sort of stuff. The universe, 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:55.160 the belts not being said, well let me jump off, 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.159 let me jump in. I already saw it on SmackDown. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.240 Now SmackDown was not a night and day show. But 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.679 absolutely Michael Cole. Listen. I have not been the biggest 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.480 Michael Cole fan over the years, but he was miles 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.600 better on SmackDown. He didn't have some dude screaming in 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.119 his ear the entire time. At one point he actually 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:20.120 said the w w E fans. I almost I almost 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.120 fell out of my chair when he called him fans. 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.840 He didn't call him the w w E universe. They're 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:30.199 still going to They're still going to brand things. And 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:31.680 as I mentioned on the show a couple of days, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.399 I'll listen. If you want to brand WrestleMania stupendous and 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.440 you want to have everybody say stupendous on every show, whatever, 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.159 I don't care. But that was by the way of 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.359 Vince Thing, and he even admitted an interview, I like 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.760 courtyards like stupendous, But listen if you want to do 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.159 that now, and that's fine. But let's loosen up a 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:53.000 little bit. Let's say fans, let's say belts, Let's let 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.879 New Day, which they did, by the way, come on 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.040 TV and talk about the Viking Raiders, which by the way, 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.240 they didn't change that one, and they're now still the 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.199 new Vicious Viking Raiders, which we can drop that one 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.400 as soon as it's possible, if if if, I mean, 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.600 if I had my way. But anyway, uh, you know, 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:11.439 he's out there going. These guys have they've they've been 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.720 killers everywhere they've gone. Ring of Honor, he says. He 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.240 starts to talk about the i w g P Tag 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.600 Team Championships, and then of course they moved on from that. 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.919 But you know what I want is a show where 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:28.679 everybody is a little more real, a little more organic, 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:30.960 a little more loose. And you know what, we saw 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.720 that to a degree already on SmackDown. Talk to your 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.919 fans like they're fans, not like they're just little chips 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.200 to market too, and little wallets to try to extract 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.520 money out of. Talk to them like that every once 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.160 in a while. Yes, we know that's what you're doing, 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.600 your big business. That this is America capitalism. We know 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.520 how this works. No matter what anybody says about Stephanie 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.800 and the charity being the marketing thing, we all knew 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:00.720 that to be true. She just happened to say it, 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.520 which made her actually, you know, get the slings and arrows. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.359 That's how they think we know what this is, but 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.520 every once in a while, can you just remember that 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.360 this thing is pro wrestling. It's still in a ring. 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:14.920 If you want to do what luch Underground was going 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.720 to do and have wrestling be the background for your 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.080 sports entertainment, fine, if that's what you're gonna do, But 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.800 you know, w w E is still wrestling, and there's 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.080 little adjustments that they can make that is not going 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.840 to change their philosophy and how they do things and 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.960 make them any smaller and can make the product that 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.200 much better. And one of the ways you can do 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.359 that is some of the verbiage that you present on 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.000 that show. There are many other things that I hope 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.480 and wish will change as time goes on, but that's 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.600 definitely something that really talk like normal human beings. Every 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.560 once in a while. You know what I want tonight, 0:20:52.240 --> 0:21:00.239 se I want to see Matt Riddle Austin theory. I 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.040 want to see I don't really need to see Austin Theory. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.440 But my point is I'm ready for names to come back. 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.480 I'm ready for people to be allowed to have a 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:11.280 first and the last name. Listen if you if you 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.680 have decided, I don't want anyone going I don't want 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:18.360 Pete done going a WS Pete done because he used 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.199 the name before w w E. Fine, you want to 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:26.600 call him whatever, that's fine. But the Vince's weird quirks 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.720 that he had where you know, I don't want this 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.400 guy to have the first name Austin. I want him 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.120 to be just be Theory. And you know why, It's 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.200 because I think is is what's Austin Theory's real name. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:43.480 Vince's decree was basically like if if if you use 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:48.320 the name on the indies, then you can't be that 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:52.399 name in Valter for example. Okay, but also if if 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.840 part of your name was part of your real name, 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.520 not even the whole thing. So like John Cena, his 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.919 real name is John's Sina Okay. If John Cena had 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:06.680 gone to Ohio Valley Wrestling as uh, Johnny rocket Ship, okay, 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.400 when he went to the main roster Vince, even though 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.719 Johnny Rocketship is not his real name. With Vince's new decree, 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.800 he couldn't be Johnny rocket Ship because his real first 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.119 name is John. Therefore, he would have to just be 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.560 rocket Ship, or he could be Frank rocket Ship or whatever. 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:28.160 This is stupid, Okay, just give people names like why 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:31.000 is this guy named Theory? Okay, it's not even like 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.720 so I would like to see that. I would like 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.879 to see a loosening up of promos. I would like 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.840 to see more than the same eight people on the 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.639 show every single week. I would like more people to 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.919 get opportunities. I would like to stop hearing the word opportunity. 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:47.440 I would like to be able to hear the word 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:52.480 title shot and championship match. You know. And they're not 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:54.520 gonna be as as I think we talked about on 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.840 other shows. There's not gonna be massive changes right out 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:58.240 of the gate. It's not like all of a sudden 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.040 Nigel Mcginnesn's is gonna do commentary. They're gonna get ridden. 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.639 They don't want to make massive changes where it feels 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.920 like the boat is being rocked. Okay, but you can 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:11.520 make small changes. You can call the guy met Riddle again. 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.840 You can call the guy Austin Theory again. You can 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:18.040 you can slowly bring some of this stuff back. Instead 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.960 of cutting the camera one hundred times during a punch sequence, 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.440 you can only do fifty times. Let's ease our way 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:25.720 into some of these changes and make for a better 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:30.800 show and have better, more cohesive planning. Because he was 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:34.360 Austin Theory on the indie scene long before you signed him. 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.439 It was a pretty cool name at fifty is fine 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.160 because he's Austin White and because he used the name 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.800 Austin Theory on the India. I mean, plan this stuff 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.119 out better, and I hope that there's better with Triple 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.560 H overseeing everything. Make sure that n x D you 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.360 have something set there so we don't have these changes 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:56.879 like Butch and these sudden changes like Rodriguez when we 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.480 get up to the main roster, because it's heyst when 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:01.760 we come back from this break, I'm going to tell 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:05.119