WEBVTT - UFC 324 Results: Justin Gaethje Takes Care of Paddy Pimblett | Evaluating First Paramount Card 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:10.080 Really redly dalks. We'll do the snow tip to tip. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.440 This is all life, this is our passion. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.640 I'm Luke Thomas. I'm this this morning combat. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.079 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome inside everyone, Hello, how are you? 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.200 It is cold where I am. It is cold for 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.480 about two hundred million Americans if I can be honest, 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.520 but it is warm right here next to the MK fire. 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:33.440 My name is Luke Thomas. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.600 Thank you so much for joining me on this twenty 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.720 sixth day of two thousand twenty six. We have a 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.760 lot to get to a huge focus today on UFC 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.360 three twenty four. Let me first bring in my co host. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:45.559 For the day. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.080 Now you might be like, wow, Chuck Minnenhall has really 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:53.520 altered his appearance in short order. Old Charles got stuck 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.800 in the winter storm. He's okay, everyone, don't worry. But 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.120 we couldn't actually make it for him to do the 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.640 show with us today as a consequence, so we called 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.880 in reinforcements from MMA fighting dot Com. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.200 It's our friend and yours Jed michue Hi, Jed, how 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:06.520 are you? 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:11.760 I'm cold? But you know much better hair than Chuck 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:12.319 minton Hall. 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.520 Yeah. Well, by Virgine just having some Yeah. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.680 Yeah, I don't have as good of a hat as 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.280 he does, but you know, happy to step in. I 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:25.640 was not anticipating this until yesterday, but hooking, Yeah. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:25.959 Neither were we. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:27.800 And then he was like, this ain't gonna work, and 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.080 we're like, all right, we got to figure out what 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.520 we're gonna do here, so Chuck, we'll be back. I 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.920 guess he might be back Friday, but I suspect to 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.800 be back next Monday. And all's well that ends, well, well, 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.960 how cold is it in Atlanta, Georgia? 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:44.120 It is currently twenty four and I'm cold for Atlanta. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:46.840 I was talking, we were I was talking about this 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.080 with Long Island Luke before we went live. I think 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.760 this is the coldest I've ever felt Atlanta because it 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.440 was eighteen when I woke up, and the windshill had 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.600 it feeling like five and I don't know that that's 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:02.200 ever I've experienced that in my fifteen years here. But 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.600 it hasn't iced much. There's not much much precipitation, which 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.400 we anticipated. So when I got the call yesterday, I 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.000 was like, I hope I can do it, but they're 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.600 telling us powers not going to work and everything shut 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.560 down knock on wood. It is a lovely day. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.120 Other than the temperature, yeah, I can count. I mean 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:21.880 I lived in Georgia for how many years I don't know, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.760 from fifth grade to essentially yeah, so like not quite 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.920 ten years. And I mean a little more of it 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.760 if you count, like time home away from college. But 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.720 I can count on my hands a number of times 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:36.400 that reached below thirty, you know what I mean. Like, 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.600 that's just an incredibly rare occurrence. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.000 Come on, it snows here. It's not like fifteen. It's like, oh, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.520 it's snowed and it is thirty or it's twenty five. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.200 But we got it. We had freezing rain all day yesterday. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.119 We got about six inches of snow, so it wasn't. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.040 Too too bad. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.000 But but like's I can't stand it when it freezes 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:56.680 and then the sun comes out and then it melts 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.160 and then just refreezes everything, which is really quite annoying. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.440 But our producer got nearly two feet up there in 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.760 central New Jersey, so it could always be work. But 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.720 we have a lot to get Yeah, we have a 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.920 lot to get to today, UFC three twenty four. So 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.840 many different elements of this story to talk about. From 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.680 the event itself to the individual fights really what it 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.360 means for MMA as well as this new partnership. We're 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.440 going to get to every element of that. Thumbs up 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.519 if you're watching, of course on YouTube. If you're listening 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.399 on an audio device or an audio podcast, consider giving 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.519 us a nice review. You can see our socials to 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.040 here for Morning Combat me as well as Jed Mshu, 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.760 who's available on x and ig. Not to forget, we 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.560 also still have merch Morningcombat Dot shop. Yes, the posters 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.400 are sold out. We're going to get those to you 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.560 in short order. But of course we still have some 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.280 of these two shirts with a Stranger Danger design exclusive 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:51.680 until January thirty, first eleven fifty nine pm Eastern Standard time. 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.040 Before we get going to our topics, let's bringing the 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.080 third member of the show. It's Long Island, Luke, Now, 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:57.560 Long Island. What did you get out there? About a 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:58.760 foot of snow up there. 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.080 In the h up there in the Long Island parts. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.080 Yeah, we got about a snow not bad, shoveled it 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:05.720 out last night. 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:06.480 Good to go today. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.320 You know, let me ask a question, because I'm not 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.800 a snow shoveling aficionado. By a stretch the imagination. What 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.760 is the rule? Do you pre treat the concrete before 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.279 you shovel or do you just wait till it's done 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:19.560 and then you go shovel it? 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.520 I mean a I have a gravel driveway, so there 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.000 ain't no pre treating anything. But I just fucking shovel it, dude. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.039 The hardest part is the gravel. You know, half the 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.279 time I'm picking up rocks with the snow, so I 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.320 kind of just put it near the side of the 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.000 driveway and then as it melts, you know, in the spring, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.039 I'm constantly picking out rocks out of my lawn and 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:37.520 just throwing them back in the driveway. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.800 Obviously, it is what it is. Do what you gotta do. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.040 Fights this weekend though pretty hyped. Also, we're not gonna 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:44.919 preview it today. We're gonna preview it on Friday, but 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.400 we got another pay per view this weekend in Australia. 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:48.320 Looking forward to that. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.680 So yeah, that's right. Is your dad gonna watch now 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.839 that there's no pay there there's no paywall. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:53.520 He doesn't have paramount. 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.200 I could give him my log I'm gonna say no 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.640 because unless it was on like Netflix, probably not. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.039 Yeah. No, yeah, fair enough. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.520 Before we get started, Jed. One quick question. One of 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.880 the things that we often do, and I'm sure you've 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.080 done it as well, is kind of use how many 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.960 people in your non mma orbit all of. 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.000 A sudden contest? Yes, all of a sudden. 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.240 Randomly you get a text being like, Hey, what's up 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.440 with the fight this weekend? This happens unfortunately, but it 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.360 is true. This happens quite repeatedly. When Jake Paul fights. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.680 I get a lot of text messages from folks who 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:24.000 ordinarily never contact me about this stuff. How many did 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.440 you either get to before, during or after three twenty four? 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:28.560 Uh? 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.400 Before, I mean it was a bunch before. And so 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.080 like me and my kech and fighting have the scale 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.800 of the mom test were like, if my mom is 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.360 texting me, that's when I know something has reached a criticality, right, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.960 because my mom doesn't give a shit about this, But 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.119 like my friends have a lower bar and they'll pop 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.000 in occasionally for the biggest fights. And basically all of 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:54.440 them were were hitting me up about it because it 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.080 was on paramount. They had been watching football, there were 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.360 ads for it, and the biggest factor, which maybe I 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.680 knew intrinsically, but I didn't really totally understand until this 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:07.880 past weekend is they all knew Patty. Every one of 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.240 them was texting about Patty. It was not oh the 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:15.520 UFC's on Paramount's like, oh Patty Pimblet, and almost exclusively 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.440 it was yeah, I thought he was. He was. He's 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:22.560 the barstool guy. They knew him from barstool, and many 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.640 of them are like, doesn't he suck? Like how is 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.760 he fighting for a title? I thought he was at 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.960 barstool but not very good, And then I had to 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.000 explain to them like he's kind of okay and whatever. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.680 But basically all of my friends and my various friend 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.280 groups at least reached out and were like, Hey, what's 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.919 what's going on? When does I got a lot on 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.160 fight day? When is the main event? Because they didn't 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:44.359 want to watch the rest of that shit, but they're like, 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:45.480 when is Patty walking? 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:46.800 Yeah? 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.760 I mean I definitely had not a whole bunch, not 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.040 as much as a Jake Paul fight, but I definitely 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.680 had a few friends reach out who ordinarily never ask. 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.760 And that again is kind of always the spidy sense 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.760 that you get about three twenty four. With that in 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.200 my mind, let's kick things off topic number one. So 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.159 let's start with the main event. Now, we're going to 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.200 get to as I mentioned, how we feel about all 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.640 the ads on the broadcast and some other factors that 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.920 you saw related to just what was watching the event. Like, 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.320 let's put a pin in that. We'll come back to it. 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.000 Let's actually start with the fights themselves. Justin Gai Chee 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.960 becomes a two time interim UFC lightweight champion in what 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.520 I would call a pretty one sided bout. You can 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.160 make an argument for Patty certainly to win round three. 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.320 Maybe you could put in there round five as well. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.720 He definitely showed some durability. We're gonna get to that 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.120 as well. But let's focus on Justin Gaigee if we 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.920 can here, Jed, my first question to you would be 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.560 he wins by unanimous decision forty nine to forty six 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.240 on two of the judges scorecards forty eight forty seven 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.120 on just one. The bout was largely entertaining. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:46.800 However, I do. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.720 Think it'd be fair to say alit sloppy. Certainly folks 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.200 were vocalizing some concerns in that direction. Nevertheless, most people 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.160 felt it was pretty entertaining. Me included your biggest takeaway 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.560 though from the five round battle is. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.360 What ooh, I've got two. I'm trying to figure out 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.280 what is the actual biggest because that's how words work. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:13.320 I'm gonna go with my biggest takeaway is that they 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.000 did They did it. The UC got what they wanted right, Like, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.440 this is out of all the hullabaloo, all the talk, 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.240 all the handling and pearl clutching and Ormandsrukan deserves to 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.080 be fighting here and this one actually blah blah blah, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.320 none of that's wrong. But justin Gachee laid it out 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.360 at the first pressers, like the reason I'm in this 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:38.040 position is I am the most exciting fighter who's ever lived. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.840 That dude's pretty exciting too, And this is the first 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.360 pay per view on Paramount. They want to put their 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.760 best foot forward and I am that best foot And yeah, man, 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.920 they did like that. It was that was That's a 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.920 safe bet, but it's still paid off because we'll talk 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.760 about the rest of the cars. You said kind of 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.560 sucked And if the main event had been something different, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.520 if the main event had been Kyla Harrison versus a 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.120 man in Nunez and that fight hadn't fallen apart, that 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.200 fight can be boring. That fight could have looked like 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.080 some of the other high level, not that entertaining fights 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.800 because Patty and Pimblet or Patti Pimblet and Justin Gaichee 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.640 was the main event, even if the rest of that 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.240 card sucked, And like I said, a lot of my 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.320 friends didn't tune in for the rest, They tuned in 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.880 for the main event. Your first experience on Paramount Plus, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.920 the biggest thing, the thing you take away the most 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:34.080 is that rocked. That just that ripped the shit man. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.960 And you've got Israel Adisnia coming out and saying that 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.640 that is, you know, this generation's Bonnard Griffin. I think 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.360 that's probably not true, but there's a kernel of truth there. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.000 The UFC wanted this, they bet on it, and they 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.480 got paid off. Because even if the rest of this 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.840 card was weak, main events slapped, there's. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.480 No denying I largely agree with that. 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.320 I think the one setback and because the the UFC 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.800 is playing with house money because they have they control 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.480 both fighters. Right again, it's not rival promoters coming together 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.360 to make a card so that in some sense they 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.280 win either way. It does probably it's not great honestly 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.079 for the UFC's future prospects that Patty didn't deliver here. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:16.840 Now they can't make him do that. They and I 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.959 understand what everyone's going to say, is like they gave 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.920 him every opportunity to be ready for this, for this moment, 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.439 no question about it. I'm not suggesting otherwise. I'm simply saying, 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.040 would it be better for their long term prospects for 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.839 a guy at thirty one to do well versus a 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.080 guy at thirty seven kind of almost going to be 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.720 thirty eight on his way out the door. The answer 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.240 is obviously to that point. Though, this is where I 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.840 totally agree with your analysis here, which is that this 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.480 was event when it was over that you were like, okay, 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:47.079 so clearly more than normal. They were making a play 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.920 for the casual fan. Casual fans always going to be 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.760 a dominant factor in both matchmaking and event location and 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.440 every other factor that goes into how they make money, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.160 but it was dialed up here. It seems to me 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.360 a little bit more. Because we're going to talk about this. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:02.920 You could make a case that you watch the fifth 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.760 and the sixth best guy at lightweight at best case 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:12.359 scenario best case on Saturday. However, the fight. The fight delivered, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.520 I think not so much for the hardcore fan because 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.720 of the nature of the sloppiness, but the nature of 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:20.920 the back and forth. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:21.960 It was bloody. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.559 I got people were Gaichie was able to affect change, 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.160 Patty had a couple of rallies and that third and 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.800 again kind of in that fifth as well, like if 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.640 you what you care about is drama in a fight 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.040 and action in a fight, and you're not too concerned 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.480 about whether this guy is number one versus number two? 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.200 Just are they good enough? And is this fight entertaining enough? 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.160 And are you appealing to crowds where that's really just 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.800 the dominant factor. I don't know how this didn't deliver. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.600 I don't know how it didn't deliver, and anecdotally it 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.800 appears that it did. Now the question, though, is related 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.760 to this, How do you feel like the UFC is 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.599 feeling about Gai Chee? About what what useful? What you 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.360 tell is there now that they have to do something 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.520 with this interim championship. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.720 They're feeling great. Look, if you were a hardcore fan 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:12.360 and didn't care about that fight, I don't Maybe this 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:16.440 is you, Luke, and so I hope you'll invite me back. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.880 I want to be clear, I was funny. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.280 I actually enjoyed the fight, and again I thought it 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.199 was sloppy in parts. I think we all do it is. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.480 And then but I got off YouTube and then I 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.960 get on Twitter and everyone was fucking killing it on 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.439 my timeline and I'm like, I didn't allow. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.520 Joy, allow joy into your lives, you pretendily. 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.320 So for me, I actually kind of enjoyed it. I 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:39.840 really did. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.360 It was super fun, Like that's if if all, if 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.720 you watch that fight and your takeaway is these aren't 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.640 the best light weights in the world. This is live 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.080 like no ship. Nobody thought they were coming into this. 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.800 Allow things to be fun, embrace it because we've got 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.840 like maybe three Justin Gayee fights left. That's he's the 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.440 exciting fighter ever. That was fun as hell. And I 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.200 think the UC doesn't care, right like we talked in 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.040 the pregame preview that this is not a win win, 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.360 right they they would have preferred that Pimblic got over here. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.720 But I think this ended up just fine for them 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.520 because Pimblet did kind of get over he lost to 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.720 gai Chie. But nobody left that fight being like, well 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.600 not nobody. Iliot's purr In Armin serukin our haters all 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.840 the way through, but most people left that were like, man, 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.120 Patty Pimblet's tough as shit, like that's good on him, 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.600 and so he got elevated a little bit. But the 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.880 reality is, like, if he beat Gaichie, it is not 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.600 like Paddy Pimblett is the future lightweight champion because Eliot 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.000 Dupuri would spark his ass too, So it's just like 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.040 they would have preferred it. But it's totally fine for 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.720 Ilia to get to fight Geichie and have the most 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.079 exciting fighter alive fight maybe the best fighter alive, and 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.760 kill him. You know, there are some downstream effects of 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.240 like when is I are going to fight a dude 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.520 in the prime of his career. That would be nice, 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.720 but that doesn't matter for them. I think mostly they're 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.920 a okay with this because justin Gaigee is very popular 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.719 in general, he's not as popular as Patty, and they 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.320 get absolutely put this on the White House with an 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.200 American champion if they'd like to, though maybe you don't 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.240 want to see the lone American champion get sparked because 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:27.040 that's seems pretty likely to what to be what happens 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:27.960 when they do face off. 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.120 Let's talk about the fight, all right. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:34.120 So I thought I am too willing to bury the unks, 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.320 which affected my pick on Friday, because I was like, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.840 I thought that Geechee was going to land on him, 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.920 which he sure. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.760 Did, sure did, And I thought that it was going 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:43.120 to happen. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:44.680 Was what you got in the first round, that Patty 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.560 was going to get his shit rocked and then maybe 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.320 start to rally. And then when he rallied a little 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:49.640 bit in the third, I was like, all right, well, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.520 maybe something's gonna happen here. And then geyge closed that 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.920 fucking door pretty quickly in the fourth. But I have 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.240 to say, what did you make of Patty's game plan? 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.240 Because I want to tell you what I feel. I 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.440 see a lot of people saying, oh, why didn't he 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:03.880 go for more takedowns? And if you look at the 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.560 number jed, it's a five in total he attempted. He 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.000 got none of them. One in the first, he attempted, 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.840 one in the fourth, and then three in the fifth, 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.920 and they all whiffed. Obviously, here's the problem for me, though, 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.800 if you actually look at the number of takedowns Patty 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.600 in the UFC overall, now including this bout is four 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.880 for eighteen lifetime in UFC takedown attempts four for eighteen. 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.120 The guys Ckenzy Durn numbers right, So. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.120 McKenzie derned numbers. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.600 And in fact, if you look at the four takedowns 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.120 he has, one of them is real slick. It's a hoagoshi. 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.800 He got to think of the Jordan Levit fight. But 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.120 most of them come from someone else establishing contact and 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.840 then him hitting a switch or finding some kind of 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.040 back take to you know, a matt return, which will 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.440 count as a takedown. You know, typically that's where it 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.960 comes from. It doesn't come from being far away shooting 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.320 and then getting a takedown. So I'm not gonna say 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.120 he couldn't have done it more. Here's my takeaway from 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:58.480 this bout, Jed, and I'd love to know if you 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.760 agreed it was. What's interesting to me about this is 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.200 both on the feet and on the ground, at least 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.320 in so much as the wrestlingness concern, not the actual 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.480 you know, he had mount or something. What's interesting to 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:14.040 me is Gei Chee actually had to face Patty's best stuff. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.000 Patty gave him basically everything he had, and it wasn't 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.880 even close to enough on the feet. He was landing 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.520 his best weapons, the uppercut hook that he likes a 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.480 lot of those front leg attacks, whether he's going to 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.160 the leg, to the body or to the head, the 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.360 jumping switch knees that he tries, the switch dance blitzes 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.440 off of the back, and all of them to one 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.320 degree or another, jed. They all kind of landed. I 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.640 just mentioned the takedown component. Could there have been a 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.080 little bit more sure, But in the fifth round he 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.960 had double underhooks, tried for two takedowns on an outside 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.400 trip as well as against the fence, and Gee Chee 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.640 had a better idea about how to defend it than 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.120 Chandler ever did. To me, the story of the fight 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.320 is Patty showed every card he had and he still 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.400 got wiped out. There is something to be said about 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.240 Gai Chee's resilience with all the damage he's had that 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:02.240 made that possible. 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.840 Yeah, man, I got a lot of thoughts here. I 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.800 gave you my biggest thought. My second biggest thought, right 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.760 under the one I gave you that first section was 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:17.520 I think people just are doomed to underestimate justin Gaechee 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.120 the fighter, right, like everyone kind of agrees, or most 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.760 people agrees, the most exciting fighter alive and probably ever, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.639 But like that underrates how good of a fighter he is, 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.000 what he has accomplished over his career, the fact that 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.400 he has been able to go through multiple different generations 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.640 of fighters and still be near the top of the game, 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.480 the fact that he basically did like a hard style 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:44.680 switch midway through his career career, which is very rare 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.719 and very difficult thing to do. And the fact that 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.840 I do agree in large part with what you said, 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.760 like that he came in very prepared, He faced most 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.120 of Patty's best shit and it was fine. I do 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.680 think there is a little bit also to some criticism 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.639 of here, because I thought Patty had good tactics and 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.240 some bad strategy, frankly, and we talked about it in 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.520 the pregame preview, where there are a lot of things 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.560 that Patty can do, and he did all those things. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.280 He did the upper cut, he was kicking at range, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.639 had a lot of stepping knees and a lot of 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.920 just like attacks down the middle, which is pretty good 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.280 against Geegee, who in general ducks his head a lot 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.160 and is kind of there to be hit on those. 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.119 The biggest issue I think Patty had. He should have 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.399 shot more takedowns, but I'm with you that largely wouldn't 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.080 have worked. The problem is he just kept backing up 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.919 and if he needed to be putting Gaigee on the 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.280 back foot, like you go, watch how Justin Gage loses, 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.520 it's it's he's getting backed up, right, And instead Patty 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.960 was against the fence the whole time. And I don't 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:46.920 know how much of that was just because he got 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.520 jawed pretty early and that sort of sent him into 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:55.520 fight or flight mode. But every time he had success, 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.600 he was the one advancing, and most of the fight 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.760 he just simply wasn't doing doing that. And if you 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:02.680 told me he was gonna be on the back football fight, 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.119 I would have been like, it's gonna look at zachly 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.639 like that, except I would have thought gag would have 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.040 gotten him out of there. But yeah, man, Justin Gegie's 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.159 just he's so much better of a fighter than people 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.320 recognize because he's got a little bozo to him, and 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:23.080 people underrate the the bozon is and it efficacy. But like, dude, 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.000 that crackdown that he was rocking with the front headlock series. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:30.680 Thing like that was that just completely neutered Patty's ability 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.320 to get in transition, because you're right, Patty gets his 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.920 takedowns in scrambles and just was just like, all right, 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.919 I'll hold this. You can't do anything from here until 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.120 I decide we're done. He had a lot of good 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.120 tactic like a lot of good little tactical things. And 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.920 she's just a better fighter than Patty pimbletman. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.160 He's a significantly better fighter. I'm so glad you brought 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.199 that up, because if you look at the takedown that 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.520 Patty got on Chandler, he goes for a single leg 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.560 and then Chandler tries to turn and bail and get away, 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:03.879 and then then allows Patty to hold the leg and 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:05.560 then follow and get the body lock, which he then 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.600 hit a matt return on and then he took the 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:09.720 back right, so they was at the beginning of the end. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.280 Was set up from that moment, whereas Geigee was like, 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:17.280 no down, blocking, underhooking, spraw hard, sprawling, right, not even 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:18.959 gonna let you get I'm not even gonna let you 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.639 get close to wrapping me up in any capacity. And 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:23.240 to the extent we are wrapped up. It's gonna be 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.119 on my terms, not yours. I totally agree on the 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.240 backing up part, dude. The tape has been clear on this, 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.399 and I did not. This part was not surprising. I 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:31.879 was like, I knew he was gonna get backed up 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.520 by Geiegee, in part because a Geigie had said, you know, 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.760 this is about champions moving forward. And also Patty's got 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:39.840 a little Tyrann Woodley in him where the fight starts 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:41.879 saying whoop, he just backs up right away and then 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:43.800 sometimes he makes it work and sometimes he in this 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.000 case doesn't. But I was like, all right, well, what 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.720 weapons is he gonna use to keep Geechee at range? 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.920 And you know, some of that worked, but not nearly enough. 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:52.440 Obviously. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.720 What's interesting to me is do he landed on Geichee 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:57.960 a lot? And it didn't really do shit? 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.520 Statistically landed more mikes and gai Chie did she did? 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.400 And then I forget too, like it's like it's like, bro, 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:08.120 he you gave gei Chee not just all the weapons, 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.800 like the different kinds of weapons, but like it wasn't 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.639 like Geechee had to like, yes, some of them were blocked. 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.880 Much of that landed clean and it didn't do fuck 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:18.960 all to him. And it's like, do we have to 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.520 have a conversation about whether Patty's obviously got some stoppage 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.120 wins via strikes as UFC debut for example, came that way. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:27.840 And you know, he was beating the shit on Michael Chandler. 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.520 I'm not saying he can't hurt people, but there and 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.080 the Geichee is still pretty tough. There is a question 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:34.960 about what kind of pop he has, right. 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.480 I mean, he obviously does not have like natural power 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:40.880 that is not part of him. 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.159 But like the mechanics on some of these punches in 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.879 all he was trying to stab him with overhand stab 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:46.880 You're never. 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.479 Gonna get like if you don't naturally have power and 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.840 your mechanics are bad, it's gonna be super like this 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:55.680 is all working against you. But like, also, yeah, when 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.800 he beat the shit ounder Michael Chandler, he can hit 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.680 like he has some He's a big dude, He's strong enough. 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:03.200 The difference is he's beating the shit uper Michael Chandler 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:07.000 from a dominant position where he has leverage, and I 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.560 never thought if he is strictly backing up, it's just 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.600 way harder to hit somebody hard when your back is 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.000 against the fence, when the space is taken away from you. 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:22.040 And Justin Gaichie also maybe he hurt Justin at points. 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.760 I do think one of the fascinating parts of Justin 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:28.480 Gaigie's like uber in general, it's really hard for me 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:32.399 to know when he's hurt because he's so wobbly, Like 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.280 in general, he's he's sort of constantly he got a 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.280 little bit of that DDP where like, okay, he's breathing heavy, 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:43.359 but that doesn't mean he's tired. That's just how he 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.960 works in life. And so maybe he hurt him at 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:52.240 a few points in time, but like, yeah, he he's 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:55.040 he has to either get better at striking, which seems 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.560 like boxing, not striking, because he's had a good kicks, 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.880 which seems like a tall, tall order thirty one years old. 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:03.560 The cake sort of feels baked, or he needs to 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:07.000 shift up like thematically how he's going about it, because 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.600 he's never going to hurt people like that. 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:12.480 Let's take a look at this picture of Patty's face. 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:13.840 This is what he looked like at the end of 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.600 the fight. I tell you what I did learn this 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.840 Patty's got a fucking chin, bro, I mean, whatever else 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.280 you want to say about him, Geechee was landing on 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.479 this fool and he you know, I was amazed at 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:31.000 how well he was able to take the punches relatively speaking. 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.440 Dude, it is not just that he's landing on this fool. 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.959 Shout out to Jack Slack who pointed this out on 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:41.000 his post podcast or whatever. Justin Gaechee was landing shots 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.520 against like and Justin Gaigie one of the harder hitters 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:48.280 of this weight class, like ever, right, just this pure power. 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.679 Maybe he's a little older, maybe he had staff, like, 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.560 maybe he didn't have as much pop, but he was 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.280 not just hitting Patty clean. He was hitting Patty clean 0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:01.560 when Patty's like on one foot and like not in 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.760 a good position to take the strikes, and he is 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.560 just like wearing it. And yeah, Patty got dropped. Patty. 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.440 They credited Gaigie with two knockdowns, which I think is ludicrous. 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.760 Like I think he dropped him like five times. Yeah, 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:17.879 but like the fact that he was able to just 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:23.280 work through like getting jawed in the most awkward positions. 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:26.840 Hell of a chin man, like you cannot cannot question 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:28.400 the man's durability and heart. 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:30.600 Last thing on Patty for just a moment. Do you 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:32.560 to me this. 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.160 I'm not in any way saying it's the same as 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:39.400 the five round beating basically, basically that Gegee put on 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:40.360 Tony Ferguson. 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:42.600 I'm not saying it's the same. It's not. The damage 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.399 was not as much. That was a especially brutal beating. 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.679 However, do you worry about the amount of damage Patty 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.520 took in this fight in terms of his chances, Maybe 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.760 not all the way for his long term but for 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:54.520 his next. 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:58.080 Fight, No, I will say, because I have the stats up. 0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:00.800 I've been kind of looking at him this morning. Geechee 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:05.359 landed one more significant strike per UFC stats against Patty 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.960 than he did against Tony. Of course, he didn't get 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:11.760 any knockdowns against Tony, so statistically it was a worse beating. 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:17.399 But I'm with you, he ended Tony Ferguson's career was 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:20.919 pretty tough. I'm not that concerned about Patty because I 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.760 Patty's I think, is still young enough where you can 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:29.480 take a beating. But historically, fighting justin Geegee has been 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:32.560 bad for your long term health in this sport, and 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:35.920 so it is something to look at moving forward. I'm 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.920 not sure though that we'll know right because of the 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:42.600 unique Patty pimbletonness of this all. Because if he goes 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:44.960 out and he fights let's say, Charles Oliver loses to 0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.760 Max Holloway, Patty fights Charles and Charles beats him, We're 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.200 not going to be like, oh, his chin is cracked. 0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:54.480 He can't like, yeah, Patty's not very good will be 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:56.639 I think the dominant storyline, but it is something to 0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.000 watch out for because like, you don't have that many 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:03.800 of those in you, man, There's just not that many 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:07.439 people can take that sort of a beating that many times. 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.520 That's really the first one that I can I'm clocking 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.960 for Patty, but he took a lot of damage. 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:17.560 Bro, What does it mean that Gaeygee is a two 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:18.679 time interim champion? 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:24.879 I think it's awesome. Frankly, it doesn't mean like, it 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.919 doesn't mean nothing. It doesn't mean the world. But like 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:35.840 he is, in my estimation, the most accomplished UFC fighter 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.520 of all time to never win an undisputed belt because 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:41.920 it's a two time interim champion. Even if this one 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.440 is way more suspect than the first one, was right 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:51.600 BMF champion, and like there's an argument that not that 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:53.119 he would be the best lightweight in the world, but 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.160 that Iliotaporio should not currently have a belt right now, 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.679 and so like it could be an undisputed title. It 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.720 would be he wouldn't be the best lie in the world, 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:04.760 but he could have it. And so it's I think 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:08.200 it feels very appropriate for a fighter like Justin Gagee, 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.560 who's maybe never been the best guy in the world, 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.080 but he was. He has been right there for a 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:19.439 very long time to add another, you know, trophy to 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:20.200 the to the case. 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:22.919 I have struggled with this one. 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:27.040 I'm not sure what it means pardon me again, in 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:32.560 part because Justin faced both Max and Charles Lavera and 0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:34.840 got smoked by both of them, you know, and it's like, 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.239 now he's holding an interim title. What does it mean 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.040 to be a two time interim champion. I'm not really 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:41.359 sure because it's not really a number one I mean, 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.560 it ends up being a number one contender fight as 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.600 a consequence, but but you know, it's not really a 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:48.680 number one contenders fight. 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:50.800 So I have a little bit of difficulty with it. 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:52.439 But it did remind me and I said this on 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.960 Saturday night, and again people poop poo in this performance. 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:59.640 Justin didn't look to me like, of course prime Justin 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:03.320 not only you could definitely see that there was a 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.639 little bit of a slowing down. At the same time, 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:07.440 people are like, oh, he's washed. I don't think he's 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.720 actually fully washed. I don't really believe that. And more 0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:12.679 to the point, the fact that a guy like this, 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:16.040 after all the miles he's been put on him, after 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:17.920 all the I mean even in fights where he's won, 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.880 he's had his fucking brain rattled, you know, and then 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.480 to still be out here and then dunk in on 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:27.760 what the best thirty one year old that basically the 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.399 division has to offer just kind of speaks to this 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:34.199 generation of lightweight's him, the poirier'sbeams, the Connors for a 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.720 moment anyway, and the RDAs and the Tony Ferguson's like 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:41.200 that class. I honestly, I really as good as there 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:43.800 are some other lightweights out there. I really think that 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.400 this class is not going to be replaced anytime soon. 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:48.640 If ever, it was very very special, and you're looking 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.760 at one of the last kind of horsemen of that 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:56.520 movement still doing some to me pretty interesting and really 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:58.520 capable stuff. Dude. 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.120 I remember when you first pitch that whatever is like, 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.960 look at these fucking old war horses still just turning back. 0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.560 And I was like three years later it's like, yeah, 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:13.440 gay chee be a philpasive who's supposed to be the future? Hey, 0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.560 just be Patty, who's supposed to be the future. Like 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.960 it's just like, Okay, it's incredible, like what this little 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:24.680 class of badasses has done. And I'm really happy to 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.200 have like not just lived through it, but like this 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.040 has been the prime of my fandom and in a 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:33.560 lot of ways to have been fully not like, oh 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.560 this happened when I was just learning about MMA. It's like, oh, 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.080 I know this and it rocks. Man. 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.400 Let's get to the people who even kind of dancing 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.280 around this whole time, which is who I think are. 0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.920 The two best lightweights in the world. Let's start with, uh, 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:50.400 you know what, Let's start with. 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:54.040 The champion himself. Here's a tweet from Eliot Toporia two 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.400 I'm guessing to Patty obviously quote, Hey, little sausage, the 0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.000 only thing you had to do was be the thirty 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:00.880 eight year old guy. By the way, I you can 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.960 just if you say that in Taporia's voice, all you 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.160 have to do is just beat a thirty eight like 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.120 any like He's like, you're comparing him to like any 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.640 guy off the street who happens to be thirty eight. 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:14.240 Like the disdane with which he is treating Geegee is remarkable. 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.600 He says, you just lost the biggest paycheck of your life. 0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:18.400 You were going to get rich if you won. Justin 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.640 all I can say is congratulations, and I'd like to 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:23.400 tell you to get ready, but you're screwed no matter 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:24.520 what I gotta tell you. 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:29.000 Iliot Taporia from the Top Rope. I love this message. 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:31.760 I'm a okay. I have a lot of issues with 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.280 basically everything Ilia Taporia has said over the last two years, 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.360 not this one, like this is exactly right, Like you 0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.440 got beef with that dude, and you can dunk on 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.720 on that dude like that is a okay thing to do. 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.560 You know. I do think he also lost the biggest 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:49.640 pain day of his life. I think it would it's 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.320 better for his career if he beats Patty than Geigee. 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:56.960 But like it is, I totally understand dunking on him 0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:01.360 right now. And yeah, I mean the most likely outcome 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:03.920 is that he blows the doors off Justin Kichi. 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.920 I think to Poria, well, okay, let's be clear about this. 0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:10.200 And I said this a long time ago when people 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.200 were like, oh, what about Patty versus Ilia? And I 0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.840 was like, brother, I mean, if you wanted to end 0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.640 Patty's career, you set him up with Ilia would turn 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:18.520 him into. 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.200 Ash, you know what I mean? 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:23.760 I mean, just absolutely Medusa him turn him into fucking 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:27.440 stone with what he would do. I think Gates you 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:29.200 would be a little bit more competitive and certainly put 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:30.800 up more of a fight, But I don't think his 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.880 chancers are great either, which then brings us to a 0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:36.800 more interesting consideration, namely, what about Arminsar Yukim the kind 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.040 of odd man out here who one way or the 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.040 other probably should have been in this bout. He had 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.160 something to say as well, here's this week quote. That's 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.520 what happens when you're gifted opportunities and pushed up the 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:51.000 rankings artificially, a completely undeserved title shot for Patty. Congratulations 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:52.880 to Justin. He showed real heart and unel like others. 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:55.200 He'll step up and take the fight with me in respect. 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.400 So what do you make of this. 0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.000 It is obvious that these two guys are the best 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.880 lightweights in the world, but in terms of how you 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.600 feel like their stock or their appearance or their value 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:07.400 shakes out sort it for. 0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.960 Me, dude, I just put it in our private chat. 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:15.640 One of my favorite photos of the evening. It is 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:19.360 Arman serukin immediately after the main event. Yeah, look at 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.240 Look at how mad fucking dude. 0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:24.120 Like. 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:27.040 I don't know if I've ever seen a dude more 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.719 bitter about what just has Like. You can see the 0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.480 thought in his head of like, I would fucking kill 0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.440 these dudes. I would put them both back to back 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:39.840 and I would I would finish them inside of five. 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:44.040 He's furious about what has gone on here, and it 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.240 sucks for him. Man, I think he's the best lightweight 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.920 on earth. He's certainly the lightweight on earth who has 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:53.160 done the most right, Like he has consistently been beating 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.760 top opposition. Ilia has one sensational win, but he's got 0:32:56.760 --> 0:33:01.120 one win lightweight. And Yeah, under any normal circumstances, he 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:02.720 would have gone in there. He would have fought. 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:03.200 He would have. 0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:06.920 I would bet almost anything in the world that he 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:12.280 would have beaten either Man and now he like hopefully 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.680 best case scenario, gets to fight for the title at 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.280 the end of this year. But Long Island Loop, maybe 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.880 you can confirm this or either of you if you remember. 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.200 I think I recall Dana saying Armand's gonna have to 0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:27.640 fight again at the post presser, which like he'll beat 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:31.800 whoever he fights. But bro, that sucks like this. It 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.880 just he's done more than enough to get his day 0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:38.480 in court. And I think he's the best lightwood on earth, 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.600 and he might not get to prove that until next year, 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:45.120 and he may never get to fight Ilia, because I 0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:47.520 do not think Ilia Taporia is trying to fight this 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.360 man at all, and so he even when even if 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:54.120 he does it, there will be people who will be like, well, 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.280 you're the best of the rest because Ilia is not here. 0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.840 DK early odds are friends here at draft Kings Taporia 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.360 minus four fifty five, gai Chi plus three fifty and 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:06.600 Gaiche's defense. He was the underdog from a betting standpoint 0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.319 heading into this one, so I know some folks made 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.799 some good money with this one. This one, however, I mean, 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.600 I love again. I cannot respect what Geigee has done 0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:18.120 and that generation of lightweights have done, but dude, Taporia 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:21.600 is gonna fucking smash him. How would a Gaichie versus 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:23.560 I will tell you a Gaichie Armand fight is interesting 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:25.319 to me because Gaichi would at least put up some 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.360 resistance on the takedown, right. I mean, I think eventually 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:29.920 Arman would get it, But the question is what kind 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.600 of tax he's gonna have to pay before that happens. 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:34.800 To me, it's a Pooria versus Geche is less interesting 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.279 because I think eventually Taporia is just gonna electrocute him. 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.279 But the Arman one, to me, he's gonna have to 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:41.920 work for it. And for that reason, I kind of 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:43.120 like that scrap a little bit more. 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:47.359 I mean, by the smallest of margins, do I think 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:48.320 it's more competitive? 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:48.880 Really? 0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:53.880 Uh yeah, Like I Armand will just have beibe Geichie 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.800 and like he will just make Gaichie walk backwards constantly 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.200 and try and circle and eventually he'll get it. Like 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.600 once we were all confident that if Patty got Geichie down, 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:08.399 it was Curtains. I'm like, this is the difference between 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:11.600 Armand and Patty is significant. And Armand can wrestle his 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.560 ass off. Go ask Lance Palmers. 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.160 Yeah, but he's got no subs. Okay, he doesn't need 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.760 talking about this. I know he subbed Dan Hooker, Okay, 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:24.080 armand did. But in general, I'm not convinced that like, 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:25.960 oh he gets the back, he's some kind of threat 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:27.799 from there. I'm I'm less convinced by that. 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.600 I'm pretty convinced that he would realll me that he 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.600 would dummy Gaichee once he got to the floor. I 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:35.640 do think Gochie will make it harder to get to 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:40.720 the floor, but like I maybe it is the Homer 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:42.960 in me. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe that 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:46.040 Eli Taporia like logically, is going to beat Justin Gaichie. 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:50.799 I was incredibly confident that javel Fhaziv would just be 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.440 a better striker than Justin Gaichie. And they have fought 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:56.520 for thirty minutes and mostly gey Chee's tuned him up. 0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:01.120 Geechie has tools on the feet and like the gap there, 0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:04.959 I think is the athleticism the age. It is certainly enough, 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:09.120 but like I'm, I at least have some level of 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.399 interest in seeing how that shakes out, because Geechee has 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:17.680 historically proven me wrong, specifically with fights, and you know, 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.359 this is a million years old and you shouldn't put 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:23.520 too much stock into it. But if Jie Herbert can 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.719 buzz you, I strongly suspect Justin Geigee at least has 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.600 the potential to do that. So I don't think either 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:33.680 fight is competitive realistically, like logical brain Jed, but lizard 0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:36.360 Jed thinks that Gegee has a better chance against the 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:37.600 Poria than it does against Armon. 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:40.440 With that in mind, let's now move to the co 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:44.120 main event, topic number two. So he had to work 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:45.879 for it here a little bit, but he got it done. 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:49.680 Sean O'Malley wins a unanimous decision defeating Song You Dong. Now, 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.440 he started out with a decent first round Song A 0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:54.600 Doong looked like he might have been mounting what was 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:56.680 going to be a winning performance by the end of 0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.560 that second. But to me, the interesting factor here is 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:02.840 the way which O'Malley rescued himself in the third. With 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.959 that in mind, is the story of the fight. Jed 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.759 that O'Malley did rally in that third and had the 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:10.760 best round of the three, of any of the rounds 0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:14.160 that either of them had in an impressive showing, or 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.160 did the fact that he had to rally in the 0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:17.960 third show that he's declined. 0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:23.759 Uh, I don't think Shawn O'Malley has declined. I don't 0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.480 really think the story is either like, oh, look, Sean 0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:30.880 rallied so much as my big takeaway and this fight was, 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:35.480 oh Sean didn't. He was slow to start. Maybe that's 0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.719 because he's been doing five rounders so much, because once 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.080 he got up to speed, like, once he got going, 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.480 it was like, oh, that's exactly that Shawn O'Malley. I 0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:47.240 anticipated it, just he didn't get going for a while. 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:51.000 And I think the most logical explanation is like, Okay, 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.200 he just he came in a little cold because he's 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:56.800 not used, like he just hasn't done this in a while. 0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:01.280 And to some extent, also, Song you Do came out hot, 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:03.800 like he knew he needed to set a tone early. 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.879 He tried. He doesn't have that many tools, so that's 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.600 pretty tough for song. But like he he made it 0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:13.359 a fight early, and then Sean finally just you know, 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.520 sometimes it takes a little while to get the engine going. Luke, 0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:17.680 you know, once he did. 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.600 Nah, but see here's why. No, Okay, But the thing is, 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.400 if I hadn't seen Tim Welch be like apoplectic in 0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:26.400 the fucking corner between the second and third, and he 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.120 wasn't like shouting him down. 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:32.040 But he was like, yo, like you gotta go, this 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:32.760 is the moment. 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:34.879 You know, fast, you gotta be long, you gotta be quick, 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.680 you gotta be first, best five minutes, let's go, Like 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.000 he was really trying to. I'm not putting it on 0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.600 par with the between the fourth and fifth round of 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:44.799 the Kamara Usbin lee On Edwards rematch, like you know, 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.000 you gotta go, kid, But I am saying that like 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.400 they were trying to jolt this dude back to being awake. 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.440 And I can buy that the three rest around from 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:55.880 the five rounds, you know, clearly can be an adjustment 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:57.480 for him. But I don't know, man, I'm a little 0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.480 bit of the belief that like two losses in a row, 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.560 he's he's been kind of talking I'm not saying in 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:03.960 a non committal way about his career, but it's not 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.759 it was we talked about the big opportunity, but he's 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:08.439 been a little bit like lost in the sauce about 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:08.959 what this all. 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:11.080 Kind of means. I think he was feeling a little bit. 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.120 I think it took him a while to like to 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.440 not just yes, get going obviously, but to kind of 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:19.160 recognize like even said, for example, right, he even said. 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:21.480 I thought he was going to be way, way faster. 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.000 I think he had built up in his mind the 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:25.960 difficulty of the moment to a little bit and was 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:27.760 a little bit feeling it. And it was only after 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.000 he kind of calmed down that he was able to 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:32.040 let you know, and then he got a coach in 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.680 his ear to kind of get going. I'm not to 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:36.960 me like the five to three round three I absolutely 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.759 think is a factor, but I'm not sure if it's 0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:39.480 the dominant one. 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.080 Yeah, I mean, and that could totally be it, because 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.200 this was he probably had the most pressure of any 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.759 fighter on him, just because like with the win, and 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.080 we'll talk about that in the second maybe he's fighting 0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.560 for a belt. With the loss, his career is in 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:56.279 full blown free fall at that point in time, like 0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.279 and so maybe that's it. Maybe he just felt a 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.680 little bit of the press. Sure, but he's never been 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:05.960 like a super fast starter anyway. The second round, the 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.920 first round, you know, kind of made sense. The second 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:11.200 round was when I was like, oh, Sean O'Malley might 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:13.920 be losing and then he just fought normally in the 0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:16.640 third round, and he tuned him up. So I don't 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:19.800 know what It's hard for me to draw like major 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:23.480 conclusions about anything other than like, Seanamalley is still one 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:26.719 of the five best dudes in this weight class. Uh 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:30.560 and Song of dong Is seems to have hit like 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.760 seems to have a very clearly defined ceiling. 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:35.440 Let's talk about Sonydall for a second. We'll circle back 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:36.799 to Sean Omalley. But you brought it up, and I 0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:39.319 really wanted to get to it. Here's a guy who 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.640 you keep they keep calling him up to the majors, 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.000 and then he can't. He can't close the show on 0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:46.600 the hill, you know what I mean. They bring him 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:48.920 up to fight San Haagen doesn't go his way. I 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:50.920 know he does have a win over Shudo, but we 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:52.480 all know that there was obviously, you know, a fair 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.080 amount of controversy related to how that one end didn't 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:56.279 they call him up here, and there's been some other 0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.000 ones too. He does have the winner for Marlon Vera, 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:00.840 but that was from a long time ago. He obviously 0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.960 is good. He is still young, as you indicate in 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.520 that first round. The power and like the thudding nature 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:08.360 what he was throwing. He was trying to set a 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.879 physical tone. He can do stuff, but jed, why can't 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:13.960 he seem to graduate to the next level? 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.960 Dude, I don't. I think the answer is he doesn't 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:24.000 have that many tools, right, like he he just had 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.279 doesn't there's not a depth to his game. Correct me 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:28.360 if you think I'm wrong here, But like, he's mostly 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.560 doing the same stuff and he's very athletic, his hands 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:34.880 are quite fast, and you know, he can do a 0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:37.680 little bit of everything, but he doesn't have any superpower 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.360 to rely on. You know, he doesn't have a weapon 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.880 or two to build a game around, and so he 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:47.120 just kind of can't get it. Because it's not just 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.600 that he has been given steps up to the majors. 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.680 He has three times been called up to the big 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:57.600 leagues on the best terms possible guys on big losing streaks, 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.439 and he has not pulled it off in any of them. 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.879 He's still only twenty eight, so like, hard to say 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.600 he's never going to get there, But like, how many 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:09.600 bites at the apple do you get before? It's just like, 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.719 this is who you are, and there's nothing wrong with that, 0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:13.759 but you're a top ten guy, you're not a top 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:14.440 five guy. 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:16.600 I unfortunately agree. 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.840 Like if you just compare him to like again and 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:20.359 you could say, oh, well, this is the best guy 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.040 in the division. Fine, but that's a good benchmark. What 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:25.560 does it look like when you're really good? Take someone 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:28.120 like pyotor Yan. Think about all the things that fucking 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:31.480 guy can do. The takedowns, the scrambling. He doesn't have 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.120 the most significant submission threat, but I bet that's better 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.160 than we think too. And then on the feet, the 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.400 number of tools and how he blends it all together. 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:40.400 And then you look at songa Doong and it's like, 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:42.640 obviously he can do stuff, but it's just a very 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:45.120 diet version of that. Like even if he had won 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.080 this fight, they were like really hype behind getting a 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:50.480 Chinese guy in a title fight, which again was part 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:53.439 of matchmaking. If you would be able to surf that opportunity, dude, 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.040 Yan would fucking wash this guy. 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:57.880 I mean, he can do vastly more. 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.600 He can take the fight to places that that that 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:03.560 song has simply no way to follow. And so it's 0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:06.640 like I want for him to turn that corner and 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:06.919 I don't. 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:07.640 I'm not ready to. 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.279 Rule it out, but unless he skill builds in some 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.880 kind of way more than just like defensively. 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:15.560 I don't know what to say. 0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.759 This is a sportman, We're gonna talk about some other 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.760 fighters on this car where it's gonna be relevant. Everyone 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.040 knows offense is more important than defense, but in MMA, 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.200 it's like, dude, this is a lot more important. I mean, 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:27.600 if you don't have good defense, you also won't win 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.560 a title. But you need to make sure you can 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:31.839 do a bunch of stuff you and have an ace 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.200 in the hole too. It's a tough business. But I 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.239 just don't feel like what Song's calling card. He's got 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:38.400 a huge punch, he's athletic, he's got pretty good takedown 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:39.520 defence for the most part. 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.480 I don't This is gonna be mean, and I'm okay 0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:48.320 with that. I if I was a fighter of talent 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:51.640 and means if I and I'm not, If you can't 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:53.960 look at this and understand that that's not correct, I 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:56.640 don't know what to tell you. If I was somebody 0:43:56.960 --> 0:44:00.800 still young with a future in this sport, I don't 0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:04.360 know what would get me there, but it I just 0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:09.280 would never go to Team Alpha male I. 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:09.480 Who who is strong? 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.480 I mean they are better than many gems. But if 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:17.320 you're trying to ascend, like what who's who's the fighter 0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.520 that is? Like Cody Garbrand is the best fighter Team 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:24.880 Alpha Male has produced, not Dwayn Ludwig right, like and 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.080 do you do you want to be where Cody's current 0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:31.600 career is, Like it's I know, I don't think he 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.000 trains there anymore, but like I how is he gonna 0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.680 get those tools when nobody at Team Alpha Male has 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:41.320 like like superior tools. The one trick they had is guillotines, 0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.600 and that doesn't seem to be a case like happening anymore. 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.359 Like he if I was in you Doong's corner, I'm 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:49.080 sure they are nice and they are a professional team, 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.360 but like, man, you got to go somewhere else to 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.399 get something going because this just isn't working. He's he's 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:58.560 not developing. He's the same dude. And that dude is good, 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:01.640 it's a top ten dude. But if you have title aspirations, 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:03.440 I don't think that's the place you're going to get 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:04.120 them over the hump. 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:09.319 So, thinking about what's next for Sean O'Malley, what do 0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:11.360 you think the UFC is going to do? There have 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.319 been basically two different directions that have been proposed. One is, 0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:16.879 you could at this point give him a title shot. Again, 0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:18.360 I didn't think the fight was bad by any stretch. 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:18.920 I enjoyed it. 0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:22.240 It wasn't a scintillating performance until the end of the third, 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:25.440 but otherwise a competent one and certainly a deserving one 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:26.200 for advancement. 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.640 Could you go to title shot route? You could. 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:30.959 That's one direction. The other one that I keep seeing 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:34.879 pop up is about versus him, versus Corey Sandhagen. Could 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.319 be on the White House, could be somewhere else for 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:39.600 Jet If you get to play matchmaker four a day, 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:42.560 how do you sort the top of this division? Rob's 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:44.520 and the waiting in the wings. We'll talk about Umar 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:46.680 a little bit later. And now you've got Sean O'Malley. 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:47.120 What do you do? 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:49.840 Dude? If I get the sort, we're gonna have the 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:53.800 most fun. I don't think this is what will happen, 0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.080 But like looking at that fight, I think Sean O'Malley 0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:01.200 did a miracle on Saturday, which is he was ninety 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.880 five percent to fight for the bantamway title, and I 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:07.600 think that performance was the five percent. Oh, actually, never mind, 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.919 We're just gonna do more and pyoder again. Uh, he's 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.799 gonna have to fight again. I think they'll go Santagan. 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.480 But if I'm in charge, this is the easiest thing 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:20.919 in the world. Hey, when Morab and pyoder Yan fight 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:22.759 for the belt on whatever card, that's going to be 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:28.040 the feature about or the five round Comaine five rounds 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:32.480 for sure. Shannamalley versus Umar Amerca Medov Stone Cold title eliminator, 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:36.160 no questions asked. Do it it is our you know 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:40.880 it is off brand, great value discount version of Connor 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:44.839 Habib and the winner. Like, honestly, coming off that fight, 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.320 Sean can maybe even feel like he can beat Umar, 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.560 not his fight, coming off Umar's fight, and if Umar 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:53.080 gets it, then Umar's fighting again like that. This seems 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.920 like the obvious answer that they will not in any. 0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:58.600 Way do Loyer and Luke has a theory on this. 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:00.360 What is your theory about which way will go? 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:01.080 Well? 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.959 Like Jed just said, they're not gonna put Sean against Umar, 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:08.680 even though that's mericratically whatever the fucking word is, what, Yeah, 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:09.480 what you should do? 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.280 I think they're gonna do O'Malley yan too. 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:15.120 I'm even thinking possibly at the White House, and then 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:18.560 I think, just on a random fight night, you do 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:22.480 Morobar to winner of that is the rightful number one bro. 0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:24.600 You can't do that. 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:26.600 It would be fucked up. And you know, I love Marab. 0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:28.800 I'm not saying I want I don't want this to happen. 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:30.680 I'm just I feel like that's how the UFC is 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:32.440 gonna go. It's just my theory. 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:36.319 I don't I do not believe. I can't believe they 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:39.680 would make Morob fightar. 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.880 I such, but he you know, I mean, I'm not 0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:44.960 one of these guys who's like, oh, if you lose convincingly, 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.000 you should get a rematch. But I'll make an exception 0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:49.400 in this case, given what Morob has done. 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:53.279 I may I think all immediate rematches are awful and 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:57.880 should never happen. The lone the two caveats being stone 0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:00.839 called robbery and like it has to be Stone called 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:03.359 it can't be competitive, and the other is trilogy fight. 0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:06.520 They split the two one hundred percent, you should run 0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:08.560 that a third time. There's no no doubt in my 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:10.520 mind that's what should happen. I do think that is 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.799 likely to happen now. And if that's gonna happen, Like, 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:18.040 why have Sean fight Corey and then if like if 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.840 Corey wins, then I guess you're just defaulting it to Umar. 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:23.720 And if Sewan wins, he gets it, and then Umar's 0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:27.200 just for an arm and limbo, Like just have those 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:29.799 two dudes fight. Sean can beat Umar. I don't think 0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:32.640 he will, but he can beat him. Have him fight him. 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:34.560 Nobody thought he'd beat Piotianny did. 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:37.800 Yeah, I will say this though, just getting back to 0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:39.760 Sean romalley as we wrap up on this topic here. 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:43.040 To me, what was interesting was I definitely there was 0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:45.680 a nice crowd pop for Sean O'Malley. I think he 0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:48.759 did enough of a job as we talked about for advancement. 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:50.640 He did what he was supposed to do. 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:55.719 I do think though, that the Paramount story as well 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.760 as the particulars of the main event have definitely drowned 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:00.719 out a little bit. It's not like he's made a 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:03.960 huge impact with the song you dong win, Would you 0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:06.080 agree with that? Like there's like most of the focus 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:09.000 is just main event and then UFC Paramount as a 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:10.160 storyline itself. 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:14.000 Yeah, he was you know, he wasn't supposed to be 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:17.040 in the co main event anyway, and it does feel 0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:20.000 like it's just being treated as the feature about, which 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:22.839 is what it was originally, because the performance wasn't great, 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.160 you know, like it was it was perfectly fine professional. 0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:28.160 Some people scored that fight for song. I didn't, but 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:30.880 I think it's it's not like the biggest robbery to 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:34.640 give song one and two there, and so like that's 0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:36.759 just one of those fights that happens and that we 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.160 don't talk about or care that much about moving forward. 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.080 And maybe that's better for Sean O'Malley because he can 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:46.959 just you know, he said afterwards, I'll just wait, I'll 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:52.040 wait for the title shot. And historically that's kind of 0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:54.920 a bad idea, but lately it's not. And especially if 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:56.480 you're a guy that they like and want to give 0:49:56.520 --> 0:49:59.719 opportunities to. Maybe if everyone just forgets about this and 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:02.400 you sit out for a while, you get it. And 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:04.759 certainly it's one hundred percent. I think I think we 0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.359 could both agree on this loop. If something happens, if 0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:11.319 Morob gets injured, then Shawn's just in and there's no 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:12.480 question about it. 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:15.680 Yes, if Morob retired today, this would be a much 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:21.000 more easy conversation to parse. I will say this. I 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:22.239 have my notes up here, and I wanted to make 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:23.600 a point. Then I forgot what I was gonna say. 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.920 Oh no, let me remind you. For me, we talk 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:28.799 about some of the best fights that can be made 0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:31.400 in MMA within a weight class, so like who Islam 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:34.360 would fight at seventy a natural seventy, or or as 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.920 we've talked about, a fifty five to Poria and sar 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:38.839 you can one of the more interesting. I'm not saying 0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:41.759 it's the best fight at thirty five necessarily. What I 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.799 am saying is it will be a crime if San 0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:47.000 Haagen and O'Malley don't fight in like relatively soon. 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:47.680 Like I don't like. 0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:49.960 Them fighting past their primes is not as interesting to 0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:53.120 me them fighting now. I gotta tell you that would 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:55.640 be one of my more anticipated fights this year. I 0:50:55.719 --> 0:51:00.360 think that would be fucking electric, huge stakes, because is 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:03.680 obviously sitting in something of a very advantageous position. Corey 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.799 could steal that or certainly even now put himself even 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.200 further back in the title return that he I think 0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:12.040 still envisions for himself. There's just a lot of going on, 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.400 to say nothing of the particulars of the striking battle 0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:18.000 itself that we would get. Count me in as all 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:21.560 in favor of O'Malley versus San Haagan as a fight 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:23.920 that I really really want. 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:26.760 To see in twenty twenty six. That's just my personal opinion. 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.920 I think that fight's awesome. I've wanted like that's been 0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:32.880 a great fight forever, and I love that Corey called 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:35.560 for it because that's how you get it, and that 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:40.120 seems like that seems like what will happen because Sean 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:42.680 can also get a title fight by beating Corey and 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.040 it is probably easier to beat Corey than it is 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:48.560 to beat Umar. And yeah, dude, that fight rocks. So 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:51.480 it's bandam weight. Man, it's really hard to make a 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:54.960 bad fight with top guys at bantam weight, Like it's 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.240 it's pretty difficult to do that here. 0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:57.600 I know. 0:51:57.640 --> 0:51:59.399 And speaking getting back to song youa dong and say, dude, 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:01.279 is san Haagan the best guy in the division. I 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:02.759 think he's one of the best, but obviously I don't 0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:05.160 think he's the best guy. But look how skillful this 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:08.680 fucking guy is, Sean Miley. Look how skillful yawn skillful? 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.040 Morob need, I mean, not as skillful, but obviously he 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:13.640 has a few things working for him that make that 0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:16.160 all work. Look at Umar, he's got problems, but fucking skillful. 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:18.200 And then song you doong. It's like, dude, what is 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:21.880 your path to beating guys who can do this many things? 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:23.640 I just don't know. 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:27.520 He has no weapon that is critical, Like there is 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:31.719 no no one single thing and not even like a 0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:35.799 preponderance of offense that is like, ah, he don't have 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.880 anything he needs. I've said my piece on it. 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:41.040 Yeah, he needs to go somewhere else. All right, With 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:43.560 that in mind, let's talk now about our friends at Hule. 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:45.200 You guys might have heard about him. We talked about 0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:46.799 them previously on the show. And I want to start 0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.719 with a very basic question, which is how do you 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:52.359 do your macros? 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With that in mind, let's now talk about 0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:25.560 the rest of the UFC three twenty four main card. 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:29.319 Let's start with the heavyweights. What a weird ass? I 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.279 don't even know what do you even? I don't know 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.120 how to talk about Waldo court as a coasta and 0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:38.399 Derek Lewis except to say, is the story jed that 0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:42.279 Waldo Cortez a coasta is actually pretty good? Or is 0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:45.600 the story now that Derek Lewis at forty years of 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:48.680 age is just kind of bad. 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:51.360 I think the story is Derek Lewis needs some heuel 0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:53.959 in his life. I don't know the fuck is going 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:59.719 on there. Maybe Quero is actually what he uh? That 0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:02.560 was weird? I don't I've watched it a lot. I 0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:07.400 still don't. I don't know that this is true, and 0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:10.040 I don't want to cast dispersions on Derek Lewis, who 0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:14.840 is a very fun man. That looked like a little 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:17.640 bit of one of my favorite fights of all time. 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:20.279 Not the fight as a whole, but the ending. It 0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:24.960 looked a little like Kimbo Dada. I'm just tired, like 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:28.120 it was just a I am a tired knockout because like, 0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:31.000 it's not like he jawed him. It was like the 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:35.320 babyest of shots and Derek just sort of tumped over 0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:38.480 like humpty dumpty fell off the wall. And then once 0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:40.520 he was on the ground was over because Wado can 0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:41.880 just get on him. Then he hit the shit out 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:45.279 of him once he was on the ground. But like, dude, 0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:48.279 Derek Lewis looked like an almost forty two year old man. 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:51.400 That's that's my big Like he's he has been a 0:56:51.440 --> 0:56:54.680 fun fighter. He's had a significantly better career than I 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:57.919 think anyone could have imagined for him. He's forty two. 0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.480 He does have a super power, but he is limited 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:03.920 in the rest of his game broadly, though he has 0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:06.600 his game works really well. I was respected that about 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:10.160 him and like he's just past it man like it. 0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:12.239 It was a little smoke and mirrors that he was 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:15.839 on a two fight winning streak because he won them 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:18.440 in the way he can win fights, and those dudes 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:20.320 gave him fights he could win. But if you are 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:24.840 a competent heavyweight who at least has some like a git, 0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:28.400 not even like a dialed in sinse, a general sense 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:32.120 of strategy and tactics, you're probably going to defeat Derek 0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:33.520 Lewis at this stage of his career. 0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:35.680 Slight correction. 0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:39.640 According to our friends at Wikipedia, Derek Lewis is forty now, he's. 0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:41.800 Gonna be one in February. 0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.320 Yeah, I thought it was about two weeks or less. 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:45.919 Actually I thought he was already forty one. 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:47.840 I bet, yeah, he's going to be forty one here. 0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:49.520 But to your point, I mean, you basically get the 0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:51.240 right idea. I'll say this so you know what it 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:54.600 reminded me of. It reminded that that sequence where Lewis 0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:57.000 goes heavy on a hook and then heavy on another 0:57:57.040 --> 0:57:59.720 hook and then cortes. 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:01.000 Customer Zach what you're saying. 0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:03.880 It's it's like Silva versus. 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:06.920 Like, oh my god, he got him. 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:09.680 And I also I saw some folks say this to me. 0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:12.640 It looked to them like is he versus Gasolom a 0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:14.920 little bit as well, where Gaslum's flailing, is he just 0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:16.000 kind of pulls them and pops? 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:17.160 You know, just a little bit of that too. 0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:19.760 But I was like, it's at for Gasolum, you know, 0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:21.800 didn't fall over and just quit. 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:23.520 Yeah, this is. 0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:27.440 I was like, I want to knocked out. He was defeated. 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:29.640 I want to point out something. It wasn't just that 0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:32.480 he just kind of laid down off the punch. Cortes 0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:35.800 a Coasta just does like like the most basic Torreando pass. 0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.360 But he doesn't even really do a pass. He just 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:41.320 grabs his knees or his like his shins and just 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:44.160 moves them to the side and it just goes right 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:46.040 to neon belly. And I was like, dude, you just 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:48.320 let this motherfucker like you didn't even roll to the 0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:51.000 side to frame out, just lets him go right around. 0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:52.960 I was like, dude, what the fuck is that? That 0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:55.280 was a weird part too, But to me, it's like, dude, 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:58.200 if if you're a bad heavyweight, so you you over 0:58:58.240 --> 0:59:04.360 commit positionally, or you are not athletic enough to retreat quickly, Yeah, Lewis, 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:06.479 I think still actually might hurt you because he's gonna 0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:09.960 chase you down. He'll swing wide, he does that jumping 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:11.680 switch kick, that kind of a thing, you know what 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:15.320 I mean. So Cortes a Costa, it's a meat and 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:19.439 potatoes game, jed. But if you're athletic, if you have 0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:22.160 room to move to retreat, and you have you know, 0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:24.240 obviously because of you your athleticism and whatnot. You have 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:27.200 decent timing and you've got a jab, brother, you can 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:30.520 win a tiele let heavyweight, Cyril Gone. Is that times 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:32.960 a million? Why does he win? Because he's got you know, 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.120 when he's not getting choked up by John Jones. But 0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:37.680 like on the feet, he's got a good job. He 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.240 moves pretty well, he's pretty athletic in getting out of 0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:43.600 the way, and that is enough to beat these people. Dude, 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:46.840 Waldork cotes a Coasta. I don't necessarily look at him 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:49.560 and think, oh, future champion, but I can't rule it 0:59:49.600 --> 0:59:53.880 out at heavyweight just given the state of things, you. 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.520 Can't rule anything out at heavyweight. But like, yeah, dude, 0:59:56.520 --> 1:00:00.960 he's he's competent. Is Waldork Coasta is what used to 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:04.760 be a bottom fifteen heavyweight, like not bottom, like a 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:07.160 like the bottom end of a top fifteen heavyweight, like 1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:11.920 like a guy who's like a Heath Herring, you know, 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:17.320 like kind of talented, a little bit athletic, competent, And 1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:23.720 because heavyweight has just died, like just this withering, awful death, 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:29.200 he's a top five, top six dude. And yeah, like 1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:31.400 he's got a good chin, which is also sort of 1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:33.480 the baseline for success. As everyweight you just have to 1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:36.640 be durable. So he's durable, he can jab, He's got 1:00:36.760 --> 1:00:39.520 enough talent to clear the bar, and the rest of 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:45.360 this weight classes just buns. It's so bad because this 1:00:45.520 --> 1:00:48.400 isn't lightweight, right Luke where it's like, oh my god, 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:52.080 it's so impressive that Justin Gatchee at Dustin Poier and 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:56.439 Charles Olivera still got the juice at thirty seven. It's like, man, 1:00:56.600 --> 1:01:01.000 Derek Lewis is forty and still a top fifteen guy 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:03.760 because this division is in shambles. 1:01:04.360 --> 1:01:06.480 Weald Cortez the Coasta wants Blades. 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:08.480 Next. We have a graphic to this effect. 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:11.000 The last thing for me, you call out Curtis Blades 1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:14.080 Stylistically he might seem to be your most difficult matchup 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:15.640 in the way class. Do you believe he would be 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:16.840 the most difficult appument for you? 1:01:16.880 --> 1:01:19.160 That's for jamatte Quarters Blades inter. 1:01:21.200 --> 1:01:26.360 DeFi no no. 1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:30.120 No, noo. 1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:38.400 Ran lo. 1:01:41.280 --> 1:01:49.240 Social media, Uh listen, I don't think it's gonna be 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:50.200 a tough challenge. 1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:52.680 I I do believe I've had harder challenges, especially in 1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:56.040 my last three fights, and I don't think it's gonna 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:56.640 be that much. 1:01:56.720 --> 1:01:57.920 And listen, I. 1:01:57.920 --> 1:02:00.840 Want Curtis Blaze because he's been saying some things on 1:02:00.960 --> 1:02:04.440 social media and people who talk crap I don't like him, 1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:05.840 so I don't. 1:02:06.160 --> 1:02:09.080 Head of just one quick one. The Mexico card is 1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:12.000 getting built like very quickly. It already has the main event. 1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:15.120 Would you rather fight in Mexico on the undercard or 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:17.840 your headline a card against Curtis Blades. 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:29.360 Mexico quite good. 1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:42.200 Or Meico you gonna pa. I don't care where they 1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:42.880 put me in there. 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:45.520 I want to fight in Mexico and I want to 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:47.720 rip Curtis Blade's head off in Mexican. 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:51.760 His chances to defeat Curtis Blades or what. 1:02:55.960 --> 1:02:58.360 That's a really good question, Luke. I think he's I 1:02:58.360 --> 1:03:00.600 think that's a great call out because is like the 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:02.520 only other dude you kind of call out at that 1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:06.160 point if you're WCA is I mean, maybe you try 1:03:06.200 --> 1:03:09.360 to moonshot Cyril gone because Tom might be out for 1:03:09.400 --> 1:03:13.000 a while. But like the other guy's Alexander Volkov and 1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:15.400 that seems like that's just a low upside fight. But 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:20.640 he has been very good defensively as a wrestler and 1:03:20.680 --> 1:03:22.480 thought a lot of like great wrestlers, mind you, but 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:26.680 like WCA has a very good, statistically speaking takedown defense 1:03:26.760 --> 1:03:31.440 and Curtis Blades, you know, but he can compete on 1:03:31.480 --> 1:03:33.480 the feat But if he can stuff a bunch of 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:36.960 Curtis Blades takedowns, I wouldn't shock me if WCA just 1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:39.520 sort of jabbed his way to a victory. And then 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:41.960 if he beats Curtis Blades, like, yeah, put him in 1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:44.600 a title fight. So I like to call out and 1:03:44.000 --> 1:03:47.640 I'd favor Blades, but sixty forty. 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:51.560 Yeah, I'm kind of there. It's like he lost to Pavlovich. 1:03:51.640 --> 1:03:54.960 So I do think we've seen some of the limits 1:03:55.000 --> 1:03:57.960 of what Cortes Costa can be. But the Blades one 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:01.240 is again, he's earned a fight like that, and honestly, 1:04:01.280 --> 1:04:05.080 Blades could use some momentum that cortesl Coasta has built 1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:07.040 for himself. I actually like the call out. I like 1:04:07.080 --> 1:04:09.040 the fight. Put it in Mexico, put it whatever they want. 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:11.840 I don't know, but I definitely like what he's thinking, 1:04:11.920 --> 1:04:15.280 all right, which takes us to Jesus O God the 1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:15.880 fuck me. 1:04:17.440 --> 1:04:20.120 Here's how Here's how bad this fight was. 1:04:21.000 --> 1:04:23.960 I talked to Brian Campbell all day yesterday via text, 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:25.960 were just sharing a bunch of thoughts. 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:27.240 Huh, who's that. 1:04:27.920 --> 1:04:32.320 Oh, he's this guy who when he watches straweights, puts 1:04:32.320 --> 1:04:34.360 his pants around his ankles and then masturbates at the 1:04:34.360 --> 1:04:37.880 bus stop. But putting that aside, good day for him yesterday, 1:04:37.880 --> 1:04:39.800 then yeah, a little chili. 1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:39.960 Well. 1:04:40.000 --> 1:04:43.320 I was just gonna say, here's how Brian did not 1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:43.840 shit on this. 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:45.560 I want to be clear. But the fact that he 1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:47.280 didn't even bring this fight up to. 1:04:47.240 --> 1:04:51.520 Me, he had nothing to say about it, I think 1:04:51.640 --> 1:04:53.640 tells you what, dude, this fight was bad. 1:04:54.400 --> 1:04:57.200 This Rose Nama units Italia silver fight. It was bad. 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:00.320 I kind of thought Rose maybe deserved to win it. 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:04.320 I do recognize Silva probably won the third I guess 1:05:04.400 --> 1:05:06.120 the second round was a bit of a swing round. 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:09.440 I don't know. I don't know where the hell Rose is. 1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:13.240 I don't know what's happening with where she's coming or 1:05:13.240 --> 1:05:15.240 going in terms of her space in this division. She 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:17.560 still beats people, but then she loses fights or she 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:19.440 doesn't seem to have the kind of urgency that she 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:22.160 would need. Jed and more to the point, Silva was 1:05:22.280 --> 1:05:24.840 dancing like she was doing you know that Dak Prescott 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:27.320 warm up where he does the hip twist everywhere like that, 1:05:27.360 --> 1:05:31.240 you know I'm talking about. Yeah, she was doing Prescott. 1:05:31.560 --> 1:05:33.600 Her frontwork was doing the Dak Prescott. No again, she 1:05:33.640 --> 1:05:35.880 warmed up eventually she had that. She had that nice 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:38.160 throw Silva did from the double overhooks. 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:40.880 She does the Dak Prescott in the middle of the 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:45.560 fight constantly, just like she's. 1:05:44.680 --> 1:05:45.520 It drives me crazy. 1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:47.840 But she did have the nice throw that That sidekick 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:50.640 to the face on Rose was nice. But just just 1:05:50.640 --> 1:05:54.520 just what has happened to Rose? Your reaction to this bout, 1:05:54.600 --> 1:05:56.320 and then we'll talk about what happens next. 1:05:56.480 --> 1:05:59.240 After I heard about this today from me find dot com, 1:05:59.240 --> 1:06:00.560 so you can check it out. It's up on the 1:06:00.560 --> 1:06:03.360 site by now. We do like a put an after 1:06:03.440 --> 1:06:07.600 action report for the thing. And I like Rosa Immunis. 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:11.440 I feel when I watch her fight, and when I 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:14.280 watch her fight the last several fights since she's moved 1:06:14.360 --> 1:06:17.520 up to flyway, I can I think of the Lewis 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:21.560 Carrol Matt Hatter quote, you used to be much more, muchier. 1:06:21.960 --> 1:06:27.080 You've lost your muchness. Like Rose was always a mercurial fighter, right, 1:06:27.160 --> 1:06:30.560 like she had super eyes and the Carlos Barza fight 1:06:30.680 --> 1:06:34.240 is like an atrocity. But since coming up to one 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:37.959 twenty five, she doesn't have like there's no juice, there's 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:41.520 no muchness to her. She's not losing by a lot, 1:06:41.760 --> 1:06:44.560 you know, she's maybe raised that floor a little bit 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:49.160 from some of her worst performances, but there's just there's 1:06:49.200 --> 1:06:51.840 nothing going on. Even when she's saying the Lord's Prayer 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:55.000 and talking to herself, it's no longer like, oh, she's 1:06:55.000 --> 1:06:57.920 gonna put a foot upside some person's head. She's like 1:06:58.280 --> 1:07:02.400 she's gonna edge out Miranda Maverick, Like this was an 1:07:02.600 --> 1:07:08.000 imminently winnable fight for her and she she never got there, 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:11.480 and so I don't I don't know. She is one 1:07:11.520 --> 1:07:13.600 of the more fascinating figures in the history of the 1:07:13.600 --> 1:07:17.520 sport to me, just because of like how good she 1:07:17.720 --> 1:07:21.960 could be but could never consistently get there. But wasn't 1:07:21.960 --> 1:07:24.000 like a flash in the pan like a Cody Garbrandt 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:27.680 like she had. She's had longevity, but yeah, she's lost 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:29.480 her muchness, man, And I don't know how you get 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:31.840 that back. Maybe it just won't like maybe we're just 1:07:32.120 --> 1:07:34.600 just too far gone. But it was kind of this 1:07:34.760 --> 1:07:36.920 was kind of a bummer of a fight to watch, 1:07:37.040 --> 1:07:39.880 even if maybe you expect like outside of it sucking. 1:07:40.640 --> 1:07:43.959 Maybe even if you expected it like this, this fight 1:07:44.040 --> 1:07:47.960 crystallized to me like, oh, Rose isn't We're never We're 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:49.160 never getting back what we had. 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:52.800 Yeah, she might still win again, but you know, whatever 1:07:52.840 --> 1:07:54.960 the magic was that, I don't. I don't know what 1:07:55.000 --> 1:07:57.640 happened to it. Also, I was so bummed out by 1:07:57.880 --> 1:07:59.640 the fight. Again, it wasn't the worst fight I've ever 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:03.800 seen her something, but just the accumulative weight or the 1:08:03.920 --> 1:08:07.560 cumulative weight I should say of how poorly women's MMA 1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:11.160 has just become interned. I put out a thread yesterday 1:08:11.200 --> 1:08:12.800 and be like, hey, what are the best women's fights 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:16.120 of all time? And obviously not in boxing but in MMA, 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:18.480 And there's a lot of great responses. 1:08:18.520 --> 1:08:20.360 But then one thing I noticed was I can't. 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:22.679 Remember any of them being within the last few years, 1:08:23.040 --> 1:08:24.360 you know what I mean, Like all the ones that 1:08:24.400 --> 1:08:29.599 they're picking happened, you know, twenty twenty or or much 1:08:29.640 --> 1:08:32.439 earlier than that, including into the Strike Force days. I 1:08:32.439 --> 1:08:34.360 don't know what has happened to the game. There's probably 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:36.840 a few factors to say it, but Jesus bro it 1:08:36.920 --> 1:08:40.000 is I don't want to be this way where the 1:08:40.040 --> 1:08:42.360 first two cars in the paramount era jed there's one 1:08:42.400 --> 1:08:44.719 fight on the card from Saturday and there are fucking 1:08:44.960 --> 1:08:48.640 none on the next one. But it's like, dude, I 1:08:48.640 --> 1:08:50.559 don't know what people want the UFC to do at 1:08:50.560 --> 1:08:51.760 this point. 1:08:52.000 --> 1:08:52.679 Game's gone. 1:08:52.680 --> 1:08:55.360 Brother, It's just not the same anymore, and I'm not 1:08:55.439 --> 1:08:56.879 getting the same amount of enjoyment. 1:08:57.200 --> 1:08:58.920 It really is quite depressing. I have to be. 1:08:58.840 --> 1:09:04.479 Honest, has in fact done changed. I don't, dude, I 1:09:04.479 --> 1:09:07.160 don't know how to save it. It's so it is 1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:07.720 die or. 1:09:09.200 --> 1:09:10.960 Like our era of MMA was better. 1:09:11.000 --> 1:09:14.479 But dude, what is this era's equivalent to to for example, 1:09:14.560 --> 1:09:18.280 Misha Tate versus Katz and Ghano, Like, what's the equivalent. 1:09:18.080 --> 1:09:21.360 That it's not a boomer it's objectively true. I know 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:25.519 that it's objectively true because all the same women's fighters 1:09:25.560 --> 1:09:28.000 who were good are still in the top of the 1:09:28.080 --> 1:09:31.479 rankings now Mesha Tait is a ranked bandam way, And 1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:33.920 that's not a vision we're talking about. But like, this 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:38.120 has been these same not dude, same women for ten 1:09:38.320 --> 1:09:41.080 years and it's not like they got better because they 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:45.599 got ten years older. Like it's it is there and 1:09:45.600 --> 1:09:51.200 they're so limited, like grow, like like who who's coming along? 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:55.000 Like who are the like Natalia Silva is the the 1:09:55.080 --> 1:10:00.679 new the leader, vanguard of the new generation. And it's like, Okay, 1:10:00.760 --> 1:10:03.559 if she beat like if she beats Valentina Shipchenko, that's 1:10:03.600 --> 1:10:06.599 not that she's that good. It's that Valentina Shipchenko's pushing 1:10:06.680 --> 1:10:09.960 forty and she's been fighting professionally for twenty years and 1:10:10.000 --> 1:10:12.320 at some point you just can't do it forever. 1:10:12.640 --> 1:10:13.240 Yea, it is. 1:10:13.439 --> 1:10:15.280 It is tough scenes right now. 1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:19.000 Your level of excitement for Natalia Silva versus Shifchenko. 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:23.599 Oh incredibly limited. And I want to be very clear 1:10:23.640 --> 1:10:27.800 about this. I am an enormous uh Valentina Shipchenko stan 1:10:28.439 --> 1:10:31.559 I've been standing her for literal years. That is not 1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:35.439 because she It's the exact opposite reasons that I stand 1:10:35.640 --> 1:10:38.880 justin Gaechee and ury Prashka. She is not the most 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:42.200 fun person to watch. I am when she competes. I 1:10:42.280 --> 1:10:44.800 am watching, in my estimation, the greatest female fighter of 1:10:44.800 --> 1:10:49.160 all time. And so I will I will have polite, 1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:53.519 like respectful applause, like golf clap this. You know that 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:56.080 that fight is me sitting in the opera box watching 1:10:56.120 --> 1:10:59.559 opera and being like very good, very good, despite not 1:10:59.680 --> 1:11:01.040 really being moved by it. 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:05.200 All right elsewhere on this card, and this was a 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:08.120 fun one for me. A little bit heartbreaking based on 1:11:08.160 --> 1:11:10.639 the way that it went, but not so much. Jayon 1:11:10.760 --> 1:11:14.160 Silva looked I think, I'd say, much more patient this time. 1:11:14.200 --> 1:11:15.400 And it went over Arnold Allen. 1:11:15.479 --> 1:11:19.040 How much did this restore your faith that Jahon Silva 1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:22.360 could contend for a title following that loss to Diego Lopez, 1:11:22.400 --> 1:11:24.880 but now with this great win over Arnold Allen. 1:11:25.600 --> 1:11:28.720 Dude, I this was the fight I was the most 1:11:28.760 --> 1:11:32.120 curious about because I said, after Jean Silva lost to 1:11:32.280 --> 1:11:34.160 Diego Lopez, and I think even said in the pregame 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:37.280 preview that we did, I was like, I wonder if 1:11:37.520 --> 1:11:40.960 that loss will be a justin Gaugee moment, because remember 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:45.120 when Gaigie came in from WSOF and he's like, I'm 1:11:45.160 --> 1:11:47.200 just trying to get into car crashes and then he 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:50.200 got knocked out. He like finally found his equal and 1:11:50.360 --> 1:11:53.040 went back to the lab and retooled his game in 1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:55.479 a very effective way. I was like, maybe that's just 1:11:55.479 --> 1:11:59.000 what John Silva needed. He not to don't turn off 1:11:59.040 --> 1:12:01.920 the bozo just you got to be able to modulate 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:05.599 the bozo mid fight, and he did, like he one 1:12:05.680 --> 1:12:08.240 hundred percent did that against Ron Allen, Like he still 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:11.280 had it. He surfed a dude. I've never seen a 1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:14.800 guy surfer guy of a fight Luke when he's surfed man, 1:12:15.280 --> 1:12:17.200 so like he still got the bozo in him and 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:19.760 at times he would he would unleash it, but it 1:12:19.840 --> 1:12:22.960 was much more controlled and he like he just constantly 1:12:23.040 --> 1:12:25.599 beat Arnod Allen, who I think is a very very 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:29.240 good not great fighter, And so like I left this 1:12:29.400 --> 1:12:31.160 being like, oh, yeah, he's going to win the belt. 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:34.479 I believed two years ago Joan Silva was going to 1:12:34.560 --> 1:12:36.920 win the belt, and now I'm like, he's definitely going 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:39.800 to win the belt, maybe not like next but in 1:12:39.840 --> 1:12:40.679 the next two years. 1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:43.599 You know what he that reminded me of when he 1:12:43.640 --> 1:12:45.640 was like surfing like that. People were saying, oh, it 1:12:45.720 --> 1:12:47.439 was like Diaz against Silva when he just kind of 1:12:47.479 --> 1:12:49.800 laid down, you know. But to me, it's like, dude, 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:53.479 Jayon Silva brings regional MMA energy to a high level 1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:57.080 about you know, where he's just doing shit. You would 1:12:57.120 --> 1:12:59.640 never expect that. It's crazy, that makes no sense as 1:12:59.720 --> 1:13:01.760 kind of on kind of weird, kind of crazy, and 1:13:01.800 --> 1:13:02.639 it just works. 1:13:02.680 --> 1:13:07.559 You know, dude, he's Michelle Pereira. If Michelle Phta was good, 1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:12.559 that's just it. Like he's he's Michelle. And I loved 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:16.559 Dmolador like I he was so fun regionally as a 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:20.040 complete psycho, and then when he retooled this game, he 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:23.479 got boring and then he just got bad. John Silver 1:13:23.600 --> 1:13:26.320 is just way better. Also, I've been on this corner, 1:13:26.360 --> 1:13:28.640 but I want to get this takeout. John Silva is 1:13:28.680 --> 1:13:30.960 the best of the fighting nerds. I've been saying it. 1:13:31.120 --> 1:13:33.280 I think he is the most talented, best fighter of 1:13:33.320 --> 1:13:33.759 the nerds. 1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:35.000 You think he's better than Kyle? 1:13:35.479 --> 1:13:35.800 I do? 1:13:37.160 --> 1:13:38.240 Would Kyle be two? 1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:42.679 I think Kyle's two because I and Protest is three, 1:13:43.120 --> 1:13:47.400 and I think Ruffy's four, But like that's is there 1:13:47.400 --> 1:13:53.440 anybody else there that's like? Because I know they got 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:56.360 uh he's counting them. They're below those four anyway. But 1:13:56.439 --> 1:13:58.760 like I I thought for a while, Jean Silva was 1:13:58.800 --> 1:14:00.640 the best bet for the fight he nerds to get 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:01.639 a belt. Still feel that. 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:04.479 Way, Arnold Allen, you knew that the same thing was 1:14:04.520 --> 1:14:06.080 going to plague him in this file. You didn't if 1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:08.160 it was going to be a losing factor or not, 1:14:08.360 --> 1:14:10.200 but that it would be something he had to overcome. 1:14:10.280 --> 1:14:11.840 He kind of starts a little bit late. I did 1:14:11.880 --> 1:14:14.200 think he opened up on him a little bit in 1:14:14.200 --> 1:14:17.080 that second round with some better energy, but he had 1:14:17.120 --> 1:14:18.920 even lower output in the third than he did I 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:21.320 think in any of the other two previous rounds. And 1:14:22.439 --> 1:14:25.639 you know, for me, jed in a sport where again 1:14:25.840 --> 1:14:29.360 I appreciate how defensively sound Arnold Allen is. Sure man. 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:31.720 You rarely see him get hit super clean or get 1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:34.519 fucked up, Like he leaves fights looking okay, But he 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:37.519 leaves his fights kind of losing against some of these 1:14:37.520 --> 1:14:40.639 better guys because it's just not the offense is much 1:14:40.720 --> 1:14:43.400 more important than defense in this sport. And I don't 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:45.320 feel like his game is as good as it is, 1:14:45.400 --> 1:14:48.040 and it is good, and he's still young. I just 1:14:48.080 --> 1:14:51.400 don't think his orientation for how he prioritizes it is 1:14:51.520 --> 1:14:53.400 enough to beat the very best guys, even if they 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:55.560 are more defensively limited than him. 1:14:56.280 --> 1:14:59.320 Yeah, he's I love Arnold. I think arn Allen seems 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:01.599 like one of the very few fighters who I would 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:03.960 genuinely just like to hang out with, like would just 1:15:04.000 --> 1:15:07.519 be a good time, and he's very good. He is 1:15:09.000 --> 1:15:13.760 like kind of the worst of the Trystar team to me, 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:17.679 not like as a fighter, but he is. My issues 1:15:17.720 --> 1:15:20.120 with TriStar is that it is like a much more 1:15:20.120 --> 1:15:24.880 defensively focused gym, and he doesn't have any of the 1:15:24.920 --> 1:15:27.559 things that he needs to really really excel at the top, 1:15:27.720 --> 1:15:30.320 other than he doesn't get beat up that bad. But 1:15:30.400 --> 1:15:33.439 also when you are perpetually injured, not getting beat up 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:36.120 it's not really that big of an advantage because it's 1:15:36.160 --> 1:15:38.000 not like, oh, I'm healthy, I can turn around and 1:15:38.040 --> 1:15:40.559 fight in three weeks. That's just not ever been how 1:15:40.560 --> 1:15:43.639 it's worked for him. So I think he's probably never 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:46.680 fighting for a belt, which is weird because if you'd 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:48.200 ask me a few years ago, it'd been like one 1:15:48.280 --> 1:15:50.880 hundred percent. There's just not a question in my mind. 1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:54.839 And he's gonna be It's gonna be like a Martin Kampman, 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:57.080 you know, like real heads who lived through the time 1:15:57.400 --> 1:16:00.360 will respect him. But he's that's just or to where 1:16:00.360 --> 1:16:01.200 he's at in his career. 1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:01.920 I think. 1:16:03.240 --> 1:16:06.000 Let's move down to topic topic number four, which is 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:09.760 the preliminary card itself. So there was, well, there's a 1:16:09.760 --> 1:16:11.680 lot to go over here. Let's start with the what 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:14.280 they call the main event of the prelims. Umar number 1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:19.000 Gamdeov kind of easily for the most part beats Stevinson figuredo. 1:16:19.400 --> 1:16:21.720 But the reality is Jed by the. 1:16:21.720 --> 1:16:23.880 End of the about and other periods before, but certainly 1:16:23.920 --> 1:16:26.400 by the end of the bout, Umar was getting booed 1:16:26.439 --> 1:16:28.360 by the crowd. Now I'm not here to validate the 1:16:28.400 --> 1:16:30.840 booze as such, but it just seems to kind of 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:34.559 signify something to me. Number one Umar and Usman number 1:16:34.560 --> 1:16:37.600 gam Madov are obviously very good, but they're not habib like. 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:39.800 They're a step down from that pretty clearly to me, 1:16:39.880 --> 1:16:41.960 they can do a lot of things, speaking of people 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:44.040 that have a lot of tools, but they don't have 1:16:44.160 --> 1:16:46.800 necessarily a ton of danger to their game. It's just 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:50.000 a lot of heavy control or heavy maintenance of range. Right, 1:16:50.040 --> 1:16:52.280 So that's one problem. But the other problem is in 1:16:52.280 --> 1:16:56.040 a world where you know you're very, very good, but 1:16:56.120 --> 1:16:58.400 you're kind of like the bantamweight John Fitch of the 1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:01.759 modern era, I just don't know what. 1:17:01.720 --> 1:17:03.760 Gifts that's going to get you to me. Jed. 1:17:03.840 --> 1:17:05.720 It's interesting that you had a nerma Goa Madeov on 1:17:05.720 --> 1:17:07.960 this card. And anytime there's a number goa madev in 1:17:08.000 --> 1:17:10.879 the PFL, whether there's attending or on the card itself, 1:17:11.200 --> 1:17:13.200 they blow it up like it's the biggest deal. UFC 1:17:13.280 --> 1:17:15.640 kind of downplayed it this time, to be honest with you. 1:17:15.760 --> 1:17:17.559 They put the guy on the fucking prelims for crying 1:17:17.560 --> 1:17:20.720 out loud. How do you read this performance and how 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:24.560 the UFC perceives or Umar nember goa madoff following Saturday's. 1:17:24.080 --> 1:17:29.439 Whin dude Luke has has any fighter of the past year, 1:17:29.720 --> 1:17:33.639 like the past twelve months had a worse year that 1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:36.639 didn't lose a bunch, right, like you know somebody losing 1:17:36.720 --> 1:17:39.799 five fights sort of for sure, But like Umar's stock 1:17:40.320 --> 1:17:42.479 this time last year. I mean, I guess this time 1:17:42.960 --> 1:17:47.680 twelve and a half months ago, right, I you everybody 1:17:47.800 --> 1:17:50.000 we did a pregame preview was like Umar is going 1:17:50.000 --> 1:17:51.880 to beat Morob because he's the best band of weight 1:17:51.920 --> 1:17:55.280 on the world. Like everyone the broad thought was that 1:17:55.400 --> 1:17:58.880 Umar was the dude to maybe take the goat title 1:17:58.880 --> 1:18:02.960 in this weight class. And then his stock is not 1:18:03.160 --> 1:18:07.200 like plummeted, but it has just been a steady decline 1:18:07.280 --> 1:18:10.840 of like Okay, you're good, but your mavsar revuev. Why 1:18:10.840 --> 1:18:13.240 the hell do we care about you? If your last name, 1:18:13.280 --> 1:18:16.240 if his last name was not Namerga Medov, he would 1:18:16.400 --> 1:18:21.000 be in the mavsar revlv. You are screwed zone. As 1:18:21.080 --> 1:18:22.760 tough as he is, very good, but I think you 1:18:22.840 --> 1:18:27.439 nailed it. He what what? Where's the offense? Where's the 1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:31.719 danger in fighting umarann O Murgha Metov? Because there isn't 1:18:31.720 --> 1:18:35.839 any He the dangers you lose like a niptuck decision, 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:39.920 because he's very good everywhere. But Habib was a fucking 1:18:40.120 --> 1:18:43.599 demon like Luke, do you remember watching Habib beat the 1:18:43.760 --> 1:18:47.120 souls out of people when he got them down. I'm 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:49.120 not saying everybody can be that, but there was that 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:53.000 element was to his game islam. When he gets you down, 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:57.439 he is a like a genuine submission hunter and he 1:18:57.600 --> 1:18:59.840 is actually like a real threat on the feet as well. 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:03.759 Umar is just kind of good. You're just good at everything, 1:19:03.800 --> 1:19:06.479 same as usman like they're good. But if you don't 1:19:06.479 --> 1:19:10.120 have if you're not going to scare somebody, it's it's 1:19:10.120 --> 1:19:12.400 tougher to be a dominant force and people aren't afraid 1:19:12.400 --> 1:19:14.240 to fight you. Bro. 1:19:14.439 --> 1:19:20.000 Habib was mean people, people forget this, Like his style was. 1:19:20.880 --> 1:19:22.960 You know, you'd feel bad for people if they spend 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:24.720 a lot of time underneath him. You're like, dude, this 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:26.640 is fucking hard to watch a little bit because they 1:19:26.680 --> 1:19:28.880 can't do shit and they're getting beat up, and then 1:19:28.920 --> 1:19:31.080 he's setting up submissions eventually towards the end, I mean, 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:34.040 and again for folks who may remember, recall he could 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:36.519 have ended the gates he fight earlier. He took fucking 1:19:36.560 --> 1:19:38.320 pity on him because he didn't want to break his arm, 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:41.040 so he ended up changing the submission to a different one. 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:45.439 See he's not that mean, Yeah, but then he goes 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:47.720 out the door and on on that call. But like 1:19:47.800 --> 1:19:50.000 in general, like you know, talking to Michael Johnson, like 1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:51.519 you have to give up now, this is gonna go 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:52.040 bad for you. 1:19:52.120 --> 1:19:53.800 And he's beaten the shit out of him. 1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:56.479 He had a gear he had and like he had 1:19:56.520 --> 1:19:58.920 a level of like I'm going I am better than 1:19:58.960 --> 1:20:01.080 you and I'm going to hurt you the same that 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:04.479 Islam has, like they and maybe that's just natural, right 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:06.280 because like if you think about it, that kind of 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:09.360 makes sense to me. Of like, Okay, Habib and Islam, 1:20:09.520 --> 1:20:11.840 outside of being training partners for life. They were both 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:15.040 sort of into They were the vanguards of this camp. 1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.519 They they sort of led the way, and then the 1:20:17.960 --> 1:20:21.000 trickle down. The next generation are just people who learned 1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:23.559 in their mold, Like how do you teach somebody to 1:20:24.120 --> 1:20:26.120 be a hard nosed son of a bitch? Like that's 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:30.200 it's tough to instill that into people. Yeah, and like 1:20:30.280 --> 1:20:33.360 they just naturally had it because they had to do this. 1:20:33.520 --> 1:20:36.800 And so like, if you told me that Umar was 1:20:36.840 --> 1:20:39.439 going to get nasty, I'd be like, he gonna be 1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:42.200 a real problem. But now I'm like, I still think 1:20:42.200 --> 1:20:45.240 he's going to beat most people, but it's not going 1:20:45.280 --> 1:20:48.200 to be this dominant force. It's going to be winning 1:20:48.200 --> 1:20:48.959 on the margins. 1:20:49.240 --> 1:20:50.760 I'd be really curious to see what they do with 1:20:50.840 --> 1:20:53.040 him this year, given that, like people are starting to 1:20:53.040 --> 1:20:55.240 get like exactly how good he is or how limited 1:20:55.280 --> 1:20:55.559 he is. 1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:57.879 I think this year is going to be really. 1:20:57.960 --> 1:21:00.920 How they treat Umar. Tell you a lot about how 1:21:00.920 --> 1:21:03.559 they treat the kind of fighter that Umar is. 1:21:04.320 --> 1:21:05.800 I'll be looking forward to that, all right. 1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:09.720 I'll tell you what I do like from Umar is 1:21:09.800 --> 1:21:13.160 he he seems to recognize what's going on that he 1:21:13.280 --> 1:21:16.280 is not. He had not a good year basically because 1:21:16.280 --> 1:21:18.160 he's coming out and be like, I'll fight anybody, dude, 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:21.160 I don't care. He's not trying to negotiate his way 1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:24.479 into a title fight as he previously was really doing. 1:21:25.040 --> 1:21:26.960 He's just like, dude, it doesn't matter if I got 1:21:26.960 --> 1:21:29.040 to fight somebody, line him up on, knock him down. 1:21:29.360 --> 1:21:31.160 And I think that's how he got to be right 1:21:31.240 --> 1:21:33.960 because he has not blown the doors off people. He 1:21:34.000 --> 1:21:36.360 has not shook the world up. So you've got to 1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:39.040 just be like, I'll fight anybody, don't care, give me him. 1:21:39.760 --> 1:21:42.160 That brings us now to a table. Gotier. 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:45.400 Now, he did win, and he did brutalize his opponent, 1:21:45.520 --> 1:21:48.639 but his opponent pole I turned out to be tougher 1:21:48.680 --> 1:21:51.280 than what is it a two or three dollars stake, 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:53.120 whatever the saying is. 1:21:53.560 --> 1:21:56.360 I gotta tell you, I don't think that that matters. 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:59.160 If you're paying two or three dollars, you're probably getting 1:21:59.200 --> 1:22:01.200 the same quality of steak luke. 1:22:01.479 --> 1:22:04.519 Fair enough anyway, whatever the saying is, he got he 1:22:04.560 --> 1:22:07.080 got worked, but he survived and in fact fought back 1:22:07.120 --> 1:22:09.040 a little bit. And what it kind of showed was 1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:13.280 Gotier clearly jet a physical force and still young enough 1:22:13.280 --> 1:22:16.840 where he can do some stuff, but a little green, 1:22:17.520 --> 1:22:20.439 a little offensively limited. He had an opponent circling out 1:22:20.479 --> 1:22:23.280 to his weak side and he kept crowing this figure 1:22:23.280 --> 1:22:25.479 it out as opposed to the hook, and I'm watching 1:22:25.479 --> 1:22:26.880 this him. 1:22:27.600 --> 1:22:30.479 I was like, dude, greet him with the hook? What 1:22:30.520 --> 1:22:31.240 are you doing? 1:22:32.240 --> 1:22:34.920 It was It's one of those things like obviously the 1:22:34.960 --> 1:22:38.320 table gotier, much better fighter than I am. Like, I'm 1:22:38.360 --> 1:22:40.559 not saying that, but I was just like, dude, at 1:22:40.600 --> 1:22:42.840 what point, at what point does your brain be? 1:22:42.920 --> 1:22:43.000 Like? 1:22:43.080 --> 1:22:45.599 Man, every time I'm trying to throw this right hand, 1:22:45.640 --> 1:22:49.839 he's even further over and so I'm just like punching nothing. 1:22:50.000 --> 1:22:53.200 What if I try the hand that's closer to him? 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:54.559 It was nuts. 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:56.559 Hey, Long Island, Louke, can you do me a favor? 1:22:58.520 --> 1:23:02.200 Perhaps there is acting up here for just a second. 1:23:02.240 --> 1:23:04.800 Can I have just a minute to go fix what 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:06.920 she with devastation? She has laid ways too. 1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:10.960 Yeah, I'll put jed full and uh. 1:23:10.880 --> 1:23:12.920 All right, I'll be right back. I'll be right back right. 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:15.840 Oh dude, I'm the captain now, boys. 1:23:16.000 --> 1:23:18.120 Yeah, the chat is gonna hate this. 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:21.200 The chat is going to be furious that I'm the captain. 1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:21.960 That they'll be alright with it. 1:23:22.040 --> 1:23:25.240 Chad, let's talk about the I want to say one 1:23:25.240 --> 1:23:27.800 more thing about Gotier, because as Luke sort of teed it, 1:23:27.920 --> 1:23:30.599 I was like, dude, he's still twenty three, so that's 1:23:30.680 --> 1:23:33.479 totally fine. But I then I pulled it up. Uh 1:23:33.520 --> 1:23:36.439 because Long Island. He's been fighting now for four years, 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:40.479 so yeah, he is green, but he's twenty three. And 1:23:40.560 --> 1:23:44.200 the fact that he could win again against a limited opponent, 1:23:44.240 --> 1:23:46.960 I'm certainly not here to say that is some world beater. 1:23:47.560 --> 1:23:49.599 The fact that he won, he wasn't really in danger 1:23:49.640 --> 1:23:52.240 of losing. It's one of those I think there's just 1:23:52.240 --> 1:23:55.080 a good win for him, right, Like it's it's not 1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:57.799 that exciting. I lost money on it. That was a bumber, 1:23:58.120 --> 1:24:00.639 but like he didn't climb with it, though I did, 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:03.720 but because it was the first leg dead, I just 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:07.280 reclimbed with the next two and cash fine. But like 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:09.439 this is one of those where it's like, yeah, sometimes 1:24:09.479 --> 1:24:12.720 you gotta you have to learn where your limitations are. 1:24:13.120 --> 1:24:15.479 And now he'll go back and I think Luke Barnett's 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:18.040 coach and they'll be like, Okay, we need to give 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:20.320 you a left hook and we need to teach you 1:24:20.320 --> 1:24:22.599 a little bit more about footwork, because he doesn't have 1:24:22.680 --> 1:24:26.439 a ton of that. And you know, progress isn't linear. 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:28.759 But at twenty three, I still expect very big things 1:24:28.760 --> 1:24:32.280 for table Gautier. This is just one of those that 1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:35.599 you get. That's because that's how fighting works. Not everything's 1:24:35.640 --> 1:24:36.679 gonna be your best day ever. 1:24:38.080 --> 1:24:40.680 All right, I'm back, Hold on one second. Oh the 1:24:40.760 --> 1:24:43.400 fucking thing fell off? Hang on? Did two key break 1:24:43.439 --> 1:24:45.200 that tear here? And I gotta switch earplugs. 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:48.160 Tuki has been absolutely start about that. 1:24:48.280 --> 1:24:51.479 My daughter, she came in the house and I heard it, 1:24:52.479 --> 1:24:55.160 and then I heard her come screaming down the hallway, 1:24:55.760 --> 1:25:00.280 which meant that in arctic temperatures, she had left the 1:25:00.320 --> 1:25:04.040 door open, which she did. That's good, and there was 1:25:04.080 --> 1:25:06.280 all this shit in the house as a consequence, so 1:25:07.080 --> 1:25:09.360 I had to go fix that. Okay, sorry about that, 1:25:10.439 --> 1:25:13.280 don't forgive you all right, very good. Well, let's get 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:17.200 to the rest of what we saw here. Alex Perez 1:25:17.280 --> 1:25:21.400 scoring a first round stoppage over Charles Johnson. Charles Johnson's 1:25:21.439 --> 1:25:23.160 got a weird career here, right jet He's got to 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:26.720 win over josh Van, but he has losses like this 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:27.960 and some other ones as well. 1:25:28.000 --> 1:25:28.360 He is. 1:25:29.439 --> 1:25:32.160 I don't know how surprised should we be by this win. 1:25:33.200 --> 1:25:38.960 We shouldn't be surprised because Charles Johnson defies expectation constantly. 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:41.840 Like it just seems like he's gonna win the fights 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:45.040 he's gonna supposed to lose, and lose the fights he's 1:25:45.040 --> 1:25:49.520 supposed to win. He didn't like the stoppage. 1:25:49.840 --> 1:25:50.120 I don't. 1:25:50.160 --> 1:25:54.439 I think that's fine. The thing I am most surprised about, frankly, 1:25:54.560 --> 1:25:56.920 is not Charles Johnson. The end of it is, like 1:25:57.040 --> 1:26:00.000 I thought Alex Perez was, We're washed, and I guess 1:26:00.120 --> 1:26:02.400 he's still got some juice in him, right, Like he 1:26:02.920 --> 1:26:06.800 you know, he won the fight his first win. He's 1:26:06.800 --> 1:26:09.000 the only won like two fights on his last seven 1:26:09.080 --> 1:26:09.320 or eight. 1:26:10.040 --> 1:26:10.160 Uh. 1:26:10.920 --> 1:26:14.080 But like that's good on Alex Prez. And Charles Johnson 1:26:14.200 --> 1:26:15.439 remains an enigma to me. 1:26:16.520 --> 1:26:17.799 He's got a weird career. 1:26:17.880 --> 1:26:20.840 He's got he has the lost to Makaievka his UC 1:26:20.880 --> 1:26:24.040 debut fine, fair enough, totally explicable, you know, And he's 1:26:24.080 --> 1:26:26.160 got the loss to Ody Osborne, which was split and 1:26:26.160 --> 1:26:29.120 that was a few years ago. All right, Cody Durden 1:26:29.160 --> 1:26:30.880 can wrestle, okay, and then he goes on a bit 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:33.400 of a four fight win streak, which you put Van 1:26:33.479 --> 1:26:35.680 in Sumaderja and he, of course, he knocks out Van 1:26:35.760 --> 1:26:38.320 in round three, and then he's just kind of been 1:26:38.400 --> 1:26:40.479 up and down since then. He has to win over 1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:44.120 a loner Kavanaugh. But then, dude, I didn't see it coming. 1:26:44.120 --> 1:26:45.920 I thought Perez was kind of a forgotten figure in 1:26:45.920 --> 1:26:50.840 this division, or at a bare minimum, that Johnson was resurgent, 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:54.120 but I guess not. Kind of an interesting surprise there, 1:26:54.560 --> 1:26:57.360 super weird, all right. And then there's this one, which 1:26:57.400 --> 1:27:01.040 is Josh Hokit at heavyweight is clearly pretty good. He 1:27:01.160 --> 1:27:05.720 is athletic, he can wrestle, he moves forward. You know, 1:27:05.800 --> 1:27:08.200 he's got good reaction time, he's got a bit of 1:27:08.200 --> 1:27:10.240 a mean streak. Like these are all things that are 1:27:10.280 --> 1:27:12.320 going to take you pretty far as a fighter. However, 1:27:12.360 --> 1:27:17.120 he appears to be completely unbearable. Before you react, Dana 1:27:17.640 --> 1:27:20.000 has a conversation, Oh, sorry, I have a different one. 1:27:20.360 --> 1:27:22.799 We'll come to that one separately. Ignore that one. Getting 1:27:22.840 --> 1:27:25.240 back to this one. What is your reaction to? 1:27:26.520 --> 1:27:29.559 What? How should we feel about Josh Hokit. 1:27:31.280 --> 1:27:34.360 He's a good fighter. He's not like a great fighter, 1:27:34.400 --> 1:27:38.880 but he's also fairly young, especially at heavyweight. I mean, 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:42.720 the truth is, if looking at Josh Hokit, my abdominant 1:27:42.760 --> 1:27:45.439 thought is, if I were a semi decent but not 1:27:45.560 --> 1:27:48.840 exceptional light heavyweight, I'd move up to heavyweight because Josh 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:52.439 Hogin is just beating heavyweights because he has a gas 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:56.360 tank that is not you know, held down by fifty 1:27:56.400 --> 1:27:59.760 extra pounds of fat. So it's just like, but this, 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:01.320 I have to say. He's not a good fighter. He 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:04.960 obviously is right. He comes from a wrestling background. He 1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:07.080 has the mean streak that you know, we talked about 1:28:07.160 --> 1:28:10.519 guys like Umar would be really nice to have. And 1:28:10.680 --> 1:28:13.080 you know, he's got to put together game. It all 1:28:13.160 --> 1:28:16.439 kind of works together. He doesn't have a superpower, at 1:28:16.520 --> 1:28:19.640 least not that I've seen yet, but he can. He 1:28:19.720 --> 1:28:23.879 can do this to many, if not most heavyweights because 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:27.000 of the state of the division. If he ever dropped 1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:29.240 the two o five, I mean, that's also a bad division. 1:28:29.360 --> 1:28:31.759 But like, I think he could have plenty of success 1:28:31.800 --> 1:28:36.800 there as well. And whether you can't stand him or not, 1:28:37.080 --> 1:28:40.240 like he is at the bare minimum, Luke, I do 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:43.040 not ascribe to the idea that all publicity is good publicity. 1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:46.920 I think that there is a lot of truth to 1:28:47.040 --> 1:28:51.280 it insofar as breaking through the just ever present noise 1:28:51.360 --> 1:28:55.880 of this sport and the UFC's consistent attempts to sort 1:28:55.880 --> 1:28:59.400 of make everything monochrome. He at least is breaking through, 1:28:59.520 --> 1:29:01.479 even if maybe it's not in a way I would 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:02.200 choose to do it. 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:06.639 Yeah, he's unbearable, but the problem is he's good and 1:29:07.640 --> 1:29:08.800 that's going to take him pretty far. 1:29:10.880 --> 1:29:15.280 And just just reusing old pro wrestling stuff will take 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:18.400 you far in the sport because because nobody else is 1:29:18.439 --> 1:29:22.360 doing anything at all, the bar is on the floor 1:29:22.479 --> 1:29:26.280 for being died like interesting and at the minimum, he's 1:29:26.360 --> 1:29:26.720 doing that. 1:29:27.920 --> 1:29:30.120 So let's go to point number five. Oh sorry, before 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:32.360 we do. Before we do, we do have Dana talking 1:29:32.360 --> 1:29:35.000 about So there was this Michael Johnson Alexander Hernandez bout 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:37.840 that was on the card, but the betting lines were 1:29:38.000 --> 1:29:40.880 kind of crazy. Some places had limited betting before the fight, 1:29:41.479 --> 1:29:43.840 and then Dana or the UFC, I should say, ended 1:29:43.880 --> 1:29:46.000 up pulling the bout altogether. In the wake of the 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:49.639 Isaac Dulgarian scandal, we were like, okay, did a betting 1:29:49.680 --> 1:29:51.160 integrity firm tell them to pull it? 1:29:51.200 --> 1:29:53.200 Turns out that they did here's Dana. Yeah. 1:29:53.800 --> 1:29:56.080 Lastly for me, we did have a fight cancelation's day. 1:29:56.160 --> 1:29:58.040 Not a lot of details on the information of what 1:29:58.120 --> 1:30:01.679 happened there. There's speculation that maybe this was a wagering flag. 1:30:02.040 --> 1:30:03.840 What can you tell that's what it is? 1:30:04.479 --> 1:30:07.280 Happened again, you know, we we get we got called 1:30:07.840 --> 1:30:12.080 from uh, you know, the Gaming Integrity Service, and I said, 1:30:12.080 --> 1:30:13.280 I'm not doing this shit again. 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:14.960 So we pulled the. 1:30:14.880 --> 1:30:17.840 Fight, canceled fight from today. Like what happens now? 1:30:17.920 --> 1:30:19.200 Is there an investigation? 1:30:19.520 --> 1:30:19.600 Like? 1:30:19.880 --> 1:30:22.080 Yeah, I mean, the the FBI is already you know, 1:30:23.200 --> 1:30:25.800 deep into all this stuff anyway, so I'm sure this 1:30:25.840 --> 1:30:28.280 one will We'll be next, right. 1:30:28.160 --> 1:30:31.120 So, like, are those guys out of action until something 1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:32.320 concludes or is it just one. 1:30:32.200 --> 1:30:33.360 Side of the fight that I don't know? 1:30:35.800 --> 1:30:39.240 Your reaction, dude, this can rocked? 1:30:39.560 --> 1:30:43.639 Uh, dude, I wish I was in. I just want 1:30:43.680 --> 1:30:46.080 to be in one paramount meeting this week and be like, 1:30:46.880 --> 1:30:50.080 God damn. We got the full UFC experience for our 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:53.200 first one A. We had a major fight fall off 1:30:53.240 --> 1:30:56.280 the card. We had a guy almost die away, and 1:30:56.960 --> 1:30:59.439 we had a gambling scandal and we had a dude, 1:30:59.439 --> 1:31:02.520 get on the mind. I can just issue casual bigotry, 1:31:02.920 --> 1:31:06.800 like they got the whole enchilada as far as what 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:10.000 you can expect from a UFC fight card and a 1:31:10.040 --> 1:31:11.320 banger of a fight in the main event. 1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:12.479 So good on. 1:31:12.439 --> 1:31:16.439 Paramount to get it all in this gambling thing. I 1:31:16.439 --> 1:31:18.599 saw it like I was in transit when I saw 1:31:18.640 --> 1:31:21.920 the first tweets about line movement happening, and I was like, Oh, 1:31:21.960 --> 1:31:26.320 that's unfortunate because I had money on Alexanderrnandez and then 1:31:26.360 --> 1:31:29.320 it got pulled. And it's very obvious why I got pulled. 1:31:29.360 --> 1:31:32.000 I don't know that anybody has confirmed anything, but like 1:31:32.680 --> 1:31:35.680 to me, Luke, this is this is just sort of 1:31:35.720 --> 1:31:39.920 the nature of the sport and its current incarnation. Because 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:44.799 pure speculation, I don't have any inside information. My strong 1:31:45.000 --> 1:31:50.599 guess is that Alexander Hernandez needed to fight because fighters 1:31:50.680 --> 1:31:54.360 lift paycheck to paycheck, and he came in with an 1:31:54.400 --> 1:31:56.559 injury and was just going to fight with the injury 1:31:56.600 --> 1:31:59.719 regardless and hope for the best. Because we see fighters 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:02.000 do this all the time. Maybe you can get the 1:32:02.120 --> 1:32:03.920 w It's not like he was going to come in 1:32:04.000 --> 1:32:08.560 and throw the fight necessarily. But then somebody was like, oh, 1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:13.120 alex has a broken whatever, Let's just put some money 1:32:14.000 --> 1:32:17.439 Michael Johnson, because that's when fighters, when you don't pay 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:20.960 people enough money, they're going to fight for you because 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:23.720 they need the money. It doesn't really matter the circumstances 1:32:23.720 --> 1:32:24.320 of their condition. 1:32:24.720 --> 1:32:27.000 Yeah, and as a long on Luke points out, which 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:31.280 I had seen before, again, it may utterly be coincidental. 1:32:32.479 --> 1:32:35.240 I have no idea the causal relationships such that there 1:32:35.320 --> 1:32:38.479 is even any. However, this is yet another adjacent house 1:32:38.479 --> 1:32:41.479 fighter from Iridium and then another Factory X fighter as well, 1:32:41.640 --> 1:32:42.639 So geez. 1:32:42.800 --> 1:32:44.640 I also want to point out I brought this up 1:32:44.640 --> 1:32:47.160 on Friday's show. I said, Oh, the lines have actually 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:48.880 moved a lot. A lot of money has come in 1:32:48.920 --> 1:32:51.120 on Michael Johnson. I didn't think it was anything worth 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:53.920 like flagging at that moment, but they continued to come down. 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:55.479 It's just interesting that we were talking about. 1:32:55.640 --> 1:32:59.519 Yeah, I have to guess that that is circumstance, because 1:32:59.560 --> 1:33:03.120 you'd have to be either the ballsiest or the stupidest 1:33:03.160 --> 1:33:07.880 motherfucker alive to be to be like in the crosshairs 1:33:07.960 --> 1:33:11.000 right now and be like, I'm gonna do it again. 1:33:11.320 --> 1:33:14.120 This is not the fucking town. I'm gonna put a 1:33:14.160 --> 1:33:16.479 move on them. Man, then we're still gonna throw a 1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:17.080 fight like. 1:33:17.600 --> 1:33:20.280 In the Jason House defense too, though he does have 1:33:20.360 --> 1:33:22.639 like sixty percent of the roster, you know what I mean, 1:33:22.800 --> 1:33:26.760 Like the odds just mathematically, mathematically, it's the factory X 1:33:26.760 --> 1:33:27.960 thing is a little more in factory. 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:30.600 The factory X thing is the one that's interesting. It's like, 1:33:30.920 --> 1:33:33.120 I think it just has to be coincidence. But man, 1:33:34.040 --> 1:33:37.160 you get enough coincidences and that starts to become a problem. 1:33:37.240 --> 1:33:38.920 Yeah, it's certainly an interesting fact. 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:40.760 All right, Last, but not least, let's just talk about 1:33:40.800 --> 1:33:44.000 the overall event and the presentation and the broadcast and 1:33:44.120 --> 1:33:47.160 and everything else they're in jen It's a simple question. 1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:51.320 UFC three pretty four broadcast debut on Paramount. Some changes. 1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:54.360 Some folks thought not enough, some folks thought just right. 1:33:55.280 --> 1:33:57.240 They added a bunch of new elements. We had the 1:33:57.280 --> 1:34:00.240 war Pigs run down and the sizzle reel, and we 1:34:00.240 --> 1:34:02.160 had the normal sizzle reel. Then we had the Travis 1:34:02.200 --> 1:34:05.360 Barker sizzle reel. We'll talk about all the ads in 1:34:05.400 --> 1:34:07.920 just a moment, but as a general idea for you, 1:34:08.040 --> 1:34:10.280 like a sort of a way to understand it. What 1:34:10.479 --> 1:34:13.920 worked about this broadcast and what didn't and overall, what 1:34:14.040 --> 1:34:15.800 kind of grade would you give? Again, not so much 1:34:15.800 --> 1:34:18.479 the fight card, but the broadcast, the way it was shown. 1:34:19.680 --> 1:34:22.799 The broadcast. If I'm not considering the fight card. 1:34:23.520 --> 1:34:24.719 I mean they're all kind of related. 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:28.240 But yeah, well, but like, overall, I would give this 1:34:28.400 --> 1:34:31.160 card a B minus because I think a lot of 1:34:31.200 --> 1:34:33.920 it was missus, but you ended on a high note, 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.920 and that's the most important thing. If I'm just talking 1:34:36.960 --> 1:34:41.479 about the broadcast of production elements, I'll give it a 1:34:41.520 --> 1:34:44.160 C plus, like a little bit of a docked point there, 1:34:44.400 --> 1:34:46.320 because I do want to be open to the idea 1:34:46.520 --> 1:34:48.840 that I forget who said it from the OC, but 1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:50.800 it came out and was like, we're trying some new stuff. 1:34:50.840 --> 1:34:54.240 Bear with us. Most of the new stuff they tried 1:34:54.240 --> 1:34:58.320 didn't really work for me. But in the earlier Star 1:34:58.400 --> 1:35:00.920 time like it ended up mad, but not as much 1:35:00.960 --> 1:35:04.400 as I'd hoped because it was so bloated. We took 1:35:04.439 --> 1:35:07.040 so long to do so much shit there. The pacing 1:35:07.120 --> 1:35:11.320 was pretty poor and there were a lot of ads. 1:35:11.320 --> 1:35:14.160 But also, I don't know if this is a hot 1:35:14.160 --> 1:35:17.200 take loop, I just don't give a shit about the 1:35:17.240 --> 1:35:21.160 ads thing, you know why, because I'm not paying eighty dollars, 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:23.880 so it's fine to put some more ads. The only 1:35:23.920 --> 1:35:26.679 thing I will say in that regard that I really disliked, 1:35:26.680 --> 1:35:29.920 and I think my biggest criticism of the whole production 1:35:31.200 --> 1:35:34.879 is that they don't show walkouts anymore. And somebody reported 1:35:34.920 --> 1:35:37.599 this that that's just part of the paramount deal. They 1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:40.479 are like the deals structurally, They're only going to show 1:35:40.520 --> 1:35:43.880 like a few and that sucks because it's one of 1:35:43.920 --> 1:35:46.320 the few times you get to see the energy of 1:35:46.360 --> 1:35:49.519 a fighter. They have even an opportunity to stand out 1:35:49.880 --> 1:35:53.840 from the faceless mass that is the UFC, and they're 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:56.680 just not even showing that anymore. So I can get commercials, 1:35:57.040 --> 1:35:59.240 which is kind of lame. But other than that, it 1:35:59.280 --> 1:36:02.519 was a UFC. It felt very much the same. They 1:36:02.640 --> 1:36:04.679 just added a couple of things this time around. 1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:07.360 So let's talk about the ads too. 1:36:07.400 --> 1:36:09.960 I mean, I guess as a general perspective, I've worked 1:36:09.960 --> 1:36:11.120 with Kate Scott Kate Abdo. 1:36:11.200 --> 1:36:11.880 I think she's great. 1:36:11.920 --> 1:36:14.080 I think the shows she's on with CBS Sports Colaza 1:36:14.120 --> 1:36:16.880 with Jamie Kerrigher are big meeks and Terry Henree is 1:36:16.960 --> 1:36:18.000 fucking first rate. 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:19.080 I absolutely love it. 1:36:19.400 --> 1:36:21.400 I don't know that there a lot was necessarily added 1:36:21.439 --> 1:36:23.519 to the broadcast in this particular way, nor did I 1:36:23.520 --> 1:36:25.160 expect it to be. It's just a little hard to 1:36:25.160 --> 1:36:26.640 stand out, but they were trying to get it. The 1:36:26.640 --> 1:36:28.840 CBS rub fair enough shost. 1:36:28.680 --> 1:36:29.040 All of them. 1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:31.639 They did a certainly the job that they were tasked 1:36:31.640 --> 1:36:35.160 with doing. The pacing sucked, Dude. The Travis Barker thing, 1:36:35.360 --> 1:36:38.719 I was like, dude, what the fuck is the connection 1:36:38.800 --> 1:36:41.559 between this bullshit? I've interviewed Travis Barker a number of times. 1:36:41.560 --> 1:36:44.519 He is legitimately a huge MMA fan. When I was 1:36:44.560 --> 1:36:46.679 on Serious Exam and I would do their pre fight shows, 1:36:46.720 --> 1:36:49.360 he would call in every single time, and we didn't 1:36:49.360 --> 1:36:51.120 pay the guy, like he just wanted to talk fights. 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:54.040 It was crazy. So respect to him as an MMA fan. 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:56.320 He's a real MMA fan and that's legit. But like, 1:36:56.360 --> 1:36:58.560 I don't need to see that shit, especially after you 1:36:58.640 --> 1:37:01.200 do the Warpicks thing. Here's what I will say though, 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:04.120 and I think you probably agree with this, Jed. They 1:37:05.080 --> 1:37:06.960 one of the key things that they had to do 1:37:07.040 --> 1:37:10.559 this time was make it feel big, and they did, 1:37:10.960 --> 1:37:13.120 and they did it with fucking Patti Pimblet and Justin 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:16.000 Gatchee as your main event with all the different lights 1:37:16.040 --> 1:37:18.240 in the crowd, and then the curtains dropping on that thing, 1:37:18.280 --> 1:37:21.920 and then there's Bruce ready announce yeah, and then again 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:24.040 there's little lights that everyone had in the audience do them. 1:37:24.080 --> 1:37:27.439 They made it feel fucking big and that worked for me. 1:37:27.520 --> 1:37:29.479 Whether or not every part of the fight card delivered 1:37:29.520 --> 1:37:32.160 for you or anyone else out there watching fair enough, 1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:34.560 Maybe it was just the main event or whatever your perspective. 1:37:35.000 --> 1:37:38.200 Did the UFC lean into this to make it feel 1:37:38.240 --> 1:37:41.880 like a much larger event than normal and special and 1:37:41.920 --> 1:37:43.040 that it should stand out. 1:37:42.880 --> 1:37:43.439 In your mind. 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:45.400 I think that they did, and I think that's really 1:37:45.439 --> 1:37:48.120 the most important consideration, including that main event. As you indicated, 1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:49.960 then it was a bit of a success. But I 1:37:49.960 --> 1:37:53.479 do want to talk about the ads because here's my 1:37:53.640 --> 1:37:59.479 view on this. It is absolutely fucking naive to think. 1:38:00.360 --> 1:38:03.519 I don't even know if it's honestly mathematically possible for 1:38:03.760 --> 1:38:08.799 the Paramount plus service to make money on this deal 1:38:09.920 --> 1:38:13.000 just doing subscription as their play, right, We're just gonna 1:38:13.000 --> 1:38:15.639 make money from how many people sign up. I don't 1:38:15.640 --> 1:38:17.519 know if folks have seen their numbers. Paramount Plus has 1:38:17.520 --> 1:38:21.040 some interesting numbers around sixty to seventy million worldwide, which 1:38:21.080 --> 1:38:23.080 is pretty big. It's a fraction of what Netflix is, 1:38:23.120 --> 1:38:25.080 but it's still pretty big. It's about double or triple 1:38:25.360 --> 1:38:27.519 depending on how you want to measure at ESPN plus. 1:38:27.960 --> 1:38:30.760 But at the same time, they would have to triple 1:38:31.240 --> 1:38:35.000 the amount of subscriptions they have with no churn to 1:38:35.120 --> 1:38:38.800 probably break even on this deal. It's just not possible. 1:38:39.200 --> 1:38:43.240 So the ads are gonna be there. But here's my thing, okay, on. 1:38:43.240 --> 1:38:45.200 This jet same do we have the same thing as 1:38:45.200 --> 1:38:46.680 I do? Have one major criticism. 1:38:46.880 --> 1:38:50.120 I pay for YouTube Premium. I pay for it. 1:38:50.439 --> 1:38:52.960 I don't ever see ads, And as someone on YouTube, 1:38:53.479 --> 1:38:55.439 I recognize that ads is how I make a lot 1:38:55.439 --> 1:38:57.200 of money, But I pay into the premium one so 1:38:57.200 --> 1:39:00.599 that my experience using the service is on interupted, and 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:04.639 I would pay for a tier where I could watch 1:39:04.680 --> 1:39:06.880 walkouts and I would not have to see again. They 1:39:06.880 --> 1:39:09.080 probably couldn't get rid of all the ad integrations because 1:39:09.080 --> 1:39:11.280 they were doing it like on lower thirds and on 1:39:11.320 --> 1:39:14.120 the sides of screens like during intros. You probably can't 1:39:14.120 --> 1:39:16.000 get rid of those. But if there's a if they 1:39:16.000 --> 1:39:18.280 would make a special tier where I could get rid 1:39:18.320 --> 1:39:21.160 of those other kinds of ads between rounds and walkouts. 1:39:21.520 --> 1:39:22.559 I would pay for that. 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:25.840 It's just they don't have that available, and so I 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:26.920 don't know what else to say. 1:39:27.040 --> 1:39:28.240 This is just what it's gonna be. 1:39:29.280 --> 1:39:32.120 So that is my criticism because I don't care about 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:35.000 the ads. I'll even say I actually and this maybe 1:39:35.080 --> 1:39:37.479 is just because we shifted over and so it is different. 1:39:38.080 --> 1:39:41.679 I got a diversity of ads right that ESPN when 1:39:41.680 --> 1:39:44.719 it was working and wasn't freezing, which credit to Paramount. 1:39:45.120 --> 1:39:47.320 Some other people had problems. I didn't have any issues 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:50.560 with the streams, so good on them for that. I 1:39:50.560 --> 1:39:53.160 at least got different ads. I got the same three 1:39:53.360 --> 1:39:55.720 ads of ESPN over and over and by the end 1:39:55.720 --> 1:39:57.160 of the night I want to blow my brains out. 1:39:58.640 --> 1:40:01.280 So this is that was nice. The thing that is 1:40:01.520 --> 1:40:04.840 a criticism, and I think a valid one. I signed 1:40:04.920 --> 1:40:07.559 up for the yearly Paramount thing. I was previously a 1:40:07.560 --> 1:40:09.519 month to month but now this is part of my job. 1:40:09.600 --> 1:40:13.640 I'm on the yearly thing. When I signed up for 1:40:13.680 --> 1:40:17.120 the yearly one, I chose the lesser of two because 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:20.360 they do have two tiers, and as it explains in it, 1:40:20.439 --> 1:40:23.200 the lower tier comes with ads, and I said, okay, 1:40:23.479 --> 1:40:26.519 and the higher tier they say still comes with some 1:40:26.600 --> 1:40:29.880 ads for premium stuff but has fewer ads. And I 1:40:29.920 --> 1:40:32.439 was like, and based on everything I have heard, if 1:40:32.520 --> 1:40:35.759 you paid for the more expensive tier, there was no difference. 1:40:35.840 --> 1:40:37.600 You still got the same ads. And to me, that 1:40:37.760 --> 1:40:42.720 is shitty, Like that's why why even have the Why 1:40:42.800 --> 1:40:45.960 pay fifty dollars a year extra if it's not substantly different, 1:40:46.360 --> 1:40:49.880 especially if I am coming to Paramount for the UFC, 1:40:50.439 --> 1:40:52.439 Because if I was like a random fan and I'd 1:40:52.439 --> 1:40:55.000 never had Paramount Bus and I was like, oh, I'll 1:40:55.000 --> 1:40:57.679 pay the premium, I won't get ads and I'm getting 1:40:57.680 --> 1:40:59.960 the same ads, I'd be pretty upset about that. Right now. 1:41:01.680 --> 1:41:03.360 I'll also say this, and this is you know, I 1:41:03.360 --> 1:41:04.920 don't think this is good and I wouldn't want it 1:41:04.920 --> 1:41:06.360 this way. But one of the things that shocked me 1:41:06.400 --> 1:41:08.760 one time was that I watched just let me go 1:41:08.840 --> 1:41:11.839 through this. I watched a the Colombian national team soccer 1:41:11.880 --> 1:41:14.479 team play. I forget who they were playing, but they 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:16.679 were playing and I was in Colombia at the time, 1:41:17.120 --> 1:41:19.520 so I was watching the game on national television. 1:41:19.560 --> 1:41:19.800 There. 1:41:20.400 --> 1:41:23.680 Dude, during the fucking games, listen to this. During the 1:41:23.720 --> 1:41:27.479 fucking games, They'll play an ad on the screen. It 1:41:27.520 --> 1:41:29.680 won't block up the entire screen, but it takes up 1:41:29.720 --> 1:41:32.800 a lot of real estate. And then the audio goes 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:35.040 over the top and they kill the audio of the 1:41:35.080 --> 1:41:38.200 broadcast itself, so you just have to hear the commercial 1:41:38.200 --> 1:41:40.759 play through and it doesn't matter what action is happening 1:41:41.280 --> 1:41:44.040 on the field. So they usually play it when the 1:41:44.080 --> 1:41:45.759 ball is like ad midfield or something. 1:41:45.920 --> 1:41:47.160 They kind of strategically wait. 1:41:47.400 --> 1:41:49.160 But I've seen it where they're like they're in scoring 1:41:49.320 --> 1:41:51.360 drives and they're getting close and then they're trying to 1:41:51.479 --> 1:41:54.720 attack and you're hearing like ads for fucking you know, 1:41:55.320 --> 1:41:58.760 Coca Cola or whatever over the top, and I'm like, dude, 1:41:58.800 --> 1:42:01.120 I hope this is not our few sure. To me, 1:42:01.240 --> 1:42:04.599 it was an enormous amount. They didn't do something like that. 1:42:04.920 --> 1:42:07.760 They didn't interrupt like the integrity of the actual fight 1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:11.639 broadcast during the fights themselves, but it got close to it. 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:14.120 And I've seen worse. But I'm just hoping that that's 1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:16.519 not a roadmap for the future. I'll just say that. 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:18.360 It's not gonna be real, Matt because of the difference 1:42:18.400 --> 1:42:22.360 of the sport, right, But like I've always thought that 1:42:22.360 --> 1:42:25.160 that's sort of how they should do ads anyway, right, 1:42:25.600 --> 1:42:28.880 especially for live sports, is like give me a constant 1:42:28.920 --> 1:42:32.080 feed of the of the game and you can go 1:42:32.160 --> 1:42:34.880 back like picture and picture, here's the ad with the audio. 1:42:34.920 --> 1:42:37.080 They do it on red zone and they pick like 1:42:37.200 --> 1:42:40.160 the boring time of red zone where nothing's happening. Now 1:42:40.200 --> 1:42:42.439 that red zone has ads, which is bullshit or whatever, 1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:44.640 and they pull it up and here's the ad. But 1:42:44.760 --> 1:42:47.800 you never lose feed. I don't know why they can't 1:42:47.840 --> 1:42:50.840 do that. For the UFC, it's like here, here's the 1:42:50.960 --> 1:42:53.679 cage or whatever is happening, Like the broadcast that would 1:42:53.720 --> 1:42:57.240 be without ads. We just have this Sharman ad running 1:42:57.280 --> 1:43:00.400 with audio for fifteen seconds and that would be fine, 1:43:00.400 --> 1:43:03.320 but like if you're I would at least be better 1:43:03.439 --> 1:43:06.040 and it won't happen as you were putting it for that, 1:43:06.120 --> 1:43:09.679 because the unique dynamic of soccer is it is forty 1:43:09.680 --> 1:43:13.280 five uninterrupted minutes and then another forty five uninterrupted minutes. 1:43:13.479 --> 1:43:15.599 If you're gonna put ads, you gotta go over action. 1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:17.200 You don't have to do that for the fights. You 1:43:17.240 --> 1:43:18.760 can pretty easily parcel it away. 1:43:19.040 --> 1:43:21.920 Yeah, for a point, let's talk about, well, actually know 1:43:21.920 --> 1:43:24.040 what Dana was asked about the amount of ads. 1:43:24.040 --> 1:43:24.960 Here's what he had to say. 1:43:25.360 --> 1:43:27.400 Obviously, we are no longer on pay per view, so 1:43:27.520 --> 1:43:29.719 where was a bit of a different viewing experience tonight. 1:43:29.760 --> 1:43:32.160 There's a lot of ads during the broadcast, sometimes over 1:43:32.200 --> 1:43:34.960 the walks and sometimes over the corner work. Is that 1:43:35.000 --> 1:43:36.840 something fans are gonna have to get used to or 1:43:36.880 --> 1:43:38.719 is that a work in progress that you'll change? 1:43:38.960 --> 1:43:40.320 I haven't seen it yet, and all of this is 1:43:40.320 --> 1:43:43.600 a work in progress. It's eight ninety nine. You're not 1:43:43.640 --> 1:43:46.240 paying fucking you know. However, much more of these guys 1:43:46.800 --> 1:43:48.120 kind of make some money too. 1:43:48.040 --> 1:43:51.400 So yeah, would that be something that they decide or 1:43:51.400 --> 1:43:53.320 would you watch it back and maybe think, okay, the 1:43:53.400 --> 1:43:55.439 co main event, we should still hear the corner work 1:43:55.520 --> 1:43:57.280 or are you just like listen parent not paid for it. 1:43:57.320 --> 1:44:00.479 They get to decide, Well. 1:44:00.360 --> 1:44:04.040 That is a fact, let's start there. But these guys 1:44:04.040 --> 1:44:07.639 are incredible to work with already, so we'll figure it out. 1:44:09.360 --> 1:44:12.320 I mean again, I understand if people aren't used to it. 1:44:12.479 --> 1:44:15.200 I don't disagree with data, like, bro, the shit is 1:44:15.280 --> 1:44:18.479 cheap it would you this is the question, right? Ultimately, 1:44:18.840 --> 1:44:21.960 would you rather be back on the ESPN deal and 1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:24.040 then have to pay for pay per views or do 1:44:24.120 --> 1:44:26.640 you want ads? And it's a much cheaper price, and 1:44:26.680 --> 1:44:28.800 I honestly think that most people are gonna be like, 1:44:29.160 --> 1:44:30.600 I'll just live with the ads. 1:44:31.000 --> 1:44:32.559 Yeah, And I think that's fine. 1:44:32.560 --> 1:44:32.760 Man. 1:44:32.840 --> 1:44:37.280 Again, I I'm surprised they went this heavy this early, 1:44:37.360 --> 1:44:41.479 because usually your first encounter, especially one that was very 1:44:41.560 --> 1:44:46.280 openly about, you know, new new fan acquisition, like this 1:44:46.439 --> 1:44:50.280 was an acquiring event for them for them to not 1:44:50.520 --> 1:44:52.360 just like we're not even gonna have any ads just 1:44:52.400 --> 1:44:55.080 because this is all frontloaded to draw you in and 1:44:55.120 --> 1:44:57.680 then we shit a fhy later. But that's not what 1:44:57.720 --> 1:45:00.880 they did. And I think that's fine, right, because yeah, 1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:03.559 I don't I want to be able to see the 1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:07.200 corners for the biggest fights, so that's annoying. But if 1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:10.080 you want to do this, I feel I'm with Dana, 1:45:10.160 --> 1:45:12.840 and I don't ever say that well, like, yeah, they 1:45:13.240 --> 1:45:14.840 got to find a way to make money, and this 1:45:14.920 --> 1:45:17.120 is this is the price you get. There ain't nothing 1:45:17.160 --> 1:45:17.800 free in life. 1:45:17.840 --> 1:45:18.080 Loop. 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:19.920 The money's got to come from somewhere. 1:45:20.200 --> 1:45:22.840 Is gonna come from this economics one oh one, there's 1:45:22.840 --> 1:45:25.280 no such thing as a free lunch. Let's talk a 1:45:25.320 --> 1:45:29.160 little bit about the discretionary bonuses. They got rid of them, right, 1:45:29.200 --> 1:45:32.000 So these like backroom bonuses of whatever. They ended up 1:45:32.040 --> 1:45:33.519 being three thousand dollars in terms of what they show. 1:45:33.560 --> 1:45:34.840 But I'm sure they go higher than that, of course, 1:45:34.880 --> 1:45:37.200 and they have gone higher. So instead, what they're doing 1:45:37.240 --> 1:45:40.240 is they're going to change the bonus structure. So anytime, 1:45:40.280 --> 1:45:42.080 here's what it says, our friend the air bron setter 1:45:42.640 --> 1:45:44.519 has the tweet. It goes like this, performance of the 1:45:44.600 --> 1:45:46.599 Night bonuses are going to be raised from fifty grand 1:45:46.920 --> 1:45:49.640 to one hundred grand. Additionally, any fighter who scores a 1:45:49.680 --> 1:45:52.599 KO or submission win just automatically earns a twenty five 1:45:52.600 --> 1:45:55.000 thousand dollars bonus if they were not selected as the 1:45:55.040 --> 1:45:57.360 one hundred thousand dollars bonus winner. Now, not included in 1:45:57.360 --> 1:46:00.000 this tweet is another reality, which is Alex Perez, for example, 1:46:00.520 --> 1:46:02.719 scored a submission win, but he missed weight, so therefore 1:46:02.720 --> 1:46:05.439 he was not eligible for either a performance bonus or 1:46:05.479 --> 1:46:08.880 that twenty five thousand dollars automatic finish bonus. Now I've 1:46:08.920 --> 1:46:11.599 seen some back of the envelope math done by folks 1:46:11.640 --> 1:46:14.599 like John Nash and others, and basically this adds about 1:46:14.640 --> 1:46:17.519 eight and a half million total, give or take to 1:46:18.520 --> 1:46:22.040 the year. The total outlays in this in this bonus program, 1:46:22.080 --> 1:46:25.439 which you know, I mean they were given out seventy 1:46:25.439 --> 1:46:28.280 five thousand dollars bonuses in almost fifteen years ago, which 1:46:28.320 --> 1:46:30.320 if you do the math on inflation, is about one 1:46:30.360 --> 1:46:32.920 hundred and ten thousand dollars today. I don't want to 1:46:32.920 --> 1:46:34.920 come out here and say, oh, it's no big deal 1:46:34.920 --> 1:46:36.599 that they're doubling bonuses or whatnot. 1:46:36.680 --> 1:46:40.040 I do want I just want to say this. I 1:46:40.120 --> 1:46:40.760 just want to say this. 1:46:41.280 --> 1:46:44.000 It's nice that the bonuses are bigger, and it's nice 1:46:44.000 --> 1:46:46.360 that if you get a finish you automatically get a bonus. 1:46:46.400 --> 1:46:48.960 I'm not saying that on their face they're bad. What 1:46:49.000 --> 1:46:51.320 I'm asking people to do is stop looking at the 1:46:51.360 --> 1:46:55.000 sticker price and then just do some arithmetic and what 1:46:55.120 --> 1:46:59.559 your notice is this is a total outlay of less 1:46:59.600 --> 1:47:01.599 than the eight that they got at this one event. 1:47:01.680 --> 1:47:05.560 I just hope everyone understands we're talking about chump change 1:47:05.880 --> 1:47:07.800 in a seven point seven billion dollar deal. 1:47:08.600 --> 1:47:12.719 Dude, Luke. This is not true for for the mk fans, 1:47:12.720 --> 1:47:17.400 who are smart, educated, brilliant people. I'm in the comments 1:47:17.439 --> 1:47:20.479 I know of which of them, Yes, all of them. Really, 1:47:20.479 --> 1:47:24.680 they're all the best people. This fan base thinks that 1:47:24.760 --> 1:47:29.559 Josh Josh Hokitt is a genius and a vanguard, and 1:47:29.920 --> 1:47:33.680 like you're expecting them to do the math on inflation. 1:47:33.920 --> 1:47:37.439 Come on, Like, I'm not. I just don't care enough. 1:47:37.680 --> 1:47:40.400 I'm having too good a day to be like, yes, 1:47:40.800 --> 1:47:43.800 this is more, but it's not at all what they're worth. 1:47:44.520 --> 1:47:45.040 It's dope. 1:47:45.080 --> 1:47:47.880 This was like, unambiguously the best thing to happen. 1:47:48.479 --> 1:47:48.599 Uh. 1:47:48.920 --> 1:47:53.000 Surrounding the new paramount deal is this because one shifting 1:47:53.040 --> 1:47:56.439 to a finished bonus. I year, for years I have 1:47:56.520 --> 1:47:59.879 been like, what they should do is stop giving performance 1:47:59.880 --> 1:48:03.160 bonuses and give finished bonuses. That's the best way to 1:48:03.240 --> 1:48:07.479 incentivize this sport to be more exciting because I was 1:48:07.520 --> 1:48:09.680 limited and was like, there's just no way they're going 1:48:09.760 --> 1:48:14.240 to add more money and then still do performance bonuses too, 1:48:15.240 --> 1:48:17.519 and shows what I know this new deal, They're like, fine, 1:48:17.560 --> 1:48:20.760 we can do it. Unambiguously good. I think it's weird 1:48:20.800 --> 1:48:23.000 that twenty five is the finished bonus because that's like, 1:48:23.680 --> 1:48:26.080 especially at the high end level of the sport, like 1:48:26.120 --> 1:48:29.280 when you are the championship level fighters, that's a pretty 1:48:29.320 --> 1:48:34.040 insignificant amount to like pursue a finish, right, like nobody, 1:48:34.800 --> 1:48:37.479 nobody in a championship fight is going to try harder 1:48:37.520 --> 1:48:42.240 for twenty five grand. The finishes will be incidental. And 1:48:42.600 --> 1:48:45.800 theoretically this is an incentive bonus, and so I don't 1:48:45.840 --> 1:48:49.320 know why that wouldn't at least be fifty. But dude, 1:48:49.320 --> 1:48:52.080 like Time Miller got a performance bonus, got one hundred grand. 1:48:52.720 --> 1:48:56.559 That's legitimately life changing money for him. Right, he can't 1:48:56.600 --> 1:49:00.400 retire forever, but that's you know, Time Miller Zoom was 1:49:00.439 --> 1:49:03.080 on a ten and ten, twelve and twelve contract and 1:49:03.120 --> 1:49:05.840 he got paid his show and win money, and now 1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:09.360 he got one hundred grand. Taxes and fees come out, 1:49:09.720 --> 1:49:12.160 but he can. Maybe that's the difference between him being 1:49:12.200 --> 1:49:15.760 a professional fighter and a fighter who still goes and 1:49:15.880 --> 1:49:19.639 works at the post office or whatever. So unambiguous win 1:49:19.720 --> 1:49:22.519 for them. I think this is it's long overdue and 1:49:22.600 --> 1:49:25.400 it should be for more, but I'm happy about it. 1:49:25.720 --> 1:49:28.120 Uh A, Long Island is saying it's not for submission. 1:49:28.120 --> 1:49:29.479 My understanding is it's any finish. 1:49:29.880 --> 1:49:31.719 No, sorry, Luke, you misspoke. 1:49:31.800 --> 1:49:34.439 Earlier you said Alex Perez got a submission win and 1:49:34.439 --> 1:49:35.920 he got telling you. 1:49:35.960 --> 1:49:37.920 Yes, no, of course he did not. Yes, I apologize. 1:49:38.160 --> 1:49:42.120 Indeed, not much to say on this dominic Ruz because 1:49:42.120 --> 1:49:45.080 of entering the UFC Hall of Fame again. 1:49:45.240 --> 1:49:46.640 I don't know. I'm not sure what there is to 1:49:46.680 --> 1:49:47.599 say other than an. 1:49:47.479 --> 1:49:50.960 Easy, easy call about brand who clearly were the higher 1:49:51.000 --> 1:49:51.920 achievers in the sport. 1:49:52.479 --> 1:49:55.479 No issue there, I'm sure I have. 1:49:56.000 --> 1:49:58.840 I have one thought, because I on a easy this 1:49:58.920 --> 1:50:02.120 is there's nobody could argue with it. I do kind 1:50:02.120 --> 1:50:05.400 of wish the UFC would have maybe not like a 1:50:05.560 --> 1:50:08.519 you know, the NFL, it's like a five year waiting period. 1:50:08.640 --> 1:50:10.439 I do think it might be better if there was 1:50:10.479 --> 1:50:14.200 a little bit of a waiting period. As he retired 1:50:14.280 --> 1:50:16.880 last year, let's put him in the hall. He's one. 1:50:16.960 --> 1:50:19.639 You also get fighters unretired. I don't think that's gonna 1:50:19.640 --> 1:50:22.840 happen with dom I'm pretty done, but like you could, 1:50:23.080 --> 1:50:25.800 it might be nicer. Like last year when Mark Kerr 1:50:25.800 --> 1:50:29.120 got inducted. It was like, oh shit, man Mark Kerr 1:50:29.320 --> 1:50:31.320 like it. It was this kind of fun thing, like, oh, 1:50:31.400 --> 1:50:34.360 I hadn't thought about his career and the smashing machine 1:50:34.439 --> 1:50:38.759 was happening and stuff. But it felt more celebratory because 1:50:38.800 --> 1:50:41.639 it had been some time as opposed to oh, you're 1:50:41.680 --> 1:50:44.920 obviously going in and you're retired, let's just let's wash 1:50:44.960 --> 1:50:45.400 you through. 1:50:46.479 --> 1:50:49.120 Fair enough, I'd be okay with a bit of a 1:50:49.160 --> 1:50:51.200 waiting time as well, which is again how traditional Hall 1:50:51.200 --> 1:50:51.880 of Fames do it. 1:50:51.920 --> 1:50:55.719 But he was going to go in sooner or later. 1:50:55.760 --> 1:50:57.599 Again that's a nitpick. 1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:00.000 And then, last but not least, here's kind of interesting. 1:51:00.120 --> 1:51:02.439 People are complaining about the pacing at UFC three twenty four, 1:51:02.439 --> 1:51:06.200 which fair. Even the UFC Zone Craig Borsorry, I think, 1:51:06.200 --> 1:51:07.800 was tweeting being like, Okay, this is a little bit 1:51:07.800 --> 1:51:08.839 of a special example. 1:51:09.080 --> 1:51:11.080 It won't necessarily be this way going forward. 1:51:11.320 --> 1:51:13.280 But what was interesting was if you watch Zuva boxing, 1:51:13.280 --> 1:51:17.480 the pacing was immediate. I mean their pacing was fantastic. 1:51:17.520 --> 1:51:18.679 Now it was nothing but decision. 1:51:18.920 --> 1:51:21.000 The only good thing about that broadcast. 1:51:21.280 --> 1:51:23.760 Yes, how do you feel about ZUFA Boxing one? What 1:51:23.800 --> 1:51:24.920 did you take away from that? 1:51:25.720 --> 1:51:29.000 Uh, this is not a bit. I fell asleep, I 1:51:29.040 --> 1:51:30.560 was on my couch and I put it on to 1:51:30.640 --> 1:51:35.680 see and my immediate reaction was this is these are 1:51:35.720 --> 1:51:38.640 apex boxing matches, because that's what it was like. It 1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:42.599 just it felt like you put a UFC Patina over 1:51:43.240 --> 1:51:47.559 club level boxing bouts, and I fell asleep and I 1:51:47.600 --> 1:51:51.440 woke up to kalamolsh getting knocked down and winning. Uh, 1:51:51.479 --> 1:51:53.920 and so like it's fine, but if you are not 1:51:53.960 --> 1:51:56.439 a boxing fan, like if you are a UFC fan 1:51:56.520 --> 1:51:58.080 or a fight fan, I don't know that this has 1:51:58.160 --> 1:51:58.719 major appeal. 1:51:58.760 --> 1:52:01.320 At least that has nothing for people were checking MMA 1:52:01.400 --> 1:52:02.280 fans were checking it out. 1:52:02.320 --> 1:52:03.280 They're not gonna last. 1:52:03.800 --> 1:52:06.880 They're not. And I like, here's how you know it's bad. 1:52:07.520 --> 1:52:10.760 Dana was critical, like of the first one. He was 1:52:10.840 --> 1:52:13.840 just like one of our best stuff. It's like, yeah, 1:52:13.840 --> 1:52:16.960 and maybe it'll get better. Boxing is certainly boxing as 1:52:17.000 --> 1:52:18.920 we know, it is much more star driven than the 1:52:19.000 --> 1:52:22.080 UFC has become a year like over the years. Uh. 1:52:22.120 --> 1:52:24.759 And you know it looks like they got gio Opati. 1:52:24.840 --> 1:52:27.280 I don't know if that's true or not, but you know, 1:52:27.360 --> 1:52:30.880 there's big names, so that'll be more interesting. But like 1:52:31.080 --> 1:52:35.360 this was this is sort of the worst possible of like, oh, 1:52:35.439 --> 1:52:37.160 here are all the things that might be bad if 1:52:37.160 --> 1:52:40.559 the UFC gets involved. Here it's just more of the same, 1:52:41.120 --> 1:52:44.679 and it it very much felt like that, to say 1:52:44.720 --> 1:52:49.280 nothing of Max Kellerman, who, hey man, I will sell 1:52:49.320 --> 1:52:54.720 out for the right price. Too good, Lord, that was embarrassing. 1:52:55.920 --> 1:52:59.479 I've been waiting for this moment all my life. Luke 1:53:00.040 --> 1:53:02.240 soof of boxing has not been an idea for more 1:53:02.280 --> 1:53:05.120 than like five years. What are we talking about that? 1:53:05.280 --> 1:53:06.880 And the part to me that just drives me nuts 1:53:06.880 --> 1:53:08.800 about him and we can move on. I've said that. 1:53:10.360 --> 1:53:12.639 At this point, but it's like, the thing that drives 1:53:12.640 --> 1:53:15.080 me nuts is he wants to always talk about how 1:53:15.080 --> 1:53:17.400 it's better to have like a governing central not body 1:53:17.439 --> 1:53:20.320 per se, but a promoter who occupies a central role 1:53:20.360 --> 1:53:22.519 as like you know, with the NFL, a rough equivalent 1:53:22.560 --> 1:53:23.479 of what the NFL means. 1:53:23.320 --> 1:53:25.600 For football or NBA for basketball. 1:53:25.680 --> 1:53:27.559 And it's like, fine, I'm not even willing to I'm 1:53:27.600 --> 1:53:29.160 not even opposed to the idea that there can be 1:53:29.200 --> 1:53:32.280 a way which that can be a good system, although 1:53:32.600 --> 1:53:35.439 also not a guarantee. But what I what he never 1:53:35.520 --> 1:53:38.320 ever ever addresses, of course, are the fact that the 1:53:38.439 --> 1:53:41.320 system that they're trying to import from MMA leads to 1:53:41.680 --> 1:53:43.760 a downstream system of you know what you want to 1:53:43.760 --> 1:53:46.320 call an exploitation abuse in the workplace or is in 1:53:46.360 --> 1:53:49.400 terms of wages and how how money is distributed, and 1:53:49.439 --> 1:53:52.240 that this has yielded class action lawsuits and you know, 1:53:52.400 --> 1:53:56.240 generational consternation, and then he just utterly ignores it. And 1:53:56.520 --> 1:53:58.920 it just constantly harps on the one part that yes, 1:53:58.960 --> 1:54:01.240 there could be again to guarantee there could be some 1:54:01.280 --> 1:54:03.400 benefit from it. It just drives me nuts. But I've 1:54:03.439 --> 1:54:06.280 said enough on him. So whatever, you know, I guess 1:54:06.280 --> 1:54:07.200 he's got bills to pay. 1:54:07.240 --> 1:54:07.640 I don't know. 1:54:07.880 --> 1:54:11.400 Hey, I'm not knocking that. I'm sure that that check 1:54:11.479 --> 1:54:14.280 is good. But my biggest thought was, like, man, that 1:54:14.360 --> 1:54:16.760 check must be real good. He's just laying it on. 1:54:17.240 --> 1:54:18.960 He is laying it on thick. 1:54:19.320 --> 1:54:20.800 He just won't stop. All right. 1:54:20.840 --> 1:54:23.400 That is our top five. But now it is time 1:54:23.479 --> 1:54:26.040 for all of you to ask us questions. It's time 1:54:26.320 --> 1:54:35.960 for dms from donks. And the donkey has ejaculated, all right, 1:54:36.000 --> 1:54:39.360 So this is how it works. On Sundays, we ask 1:54:39.440 --> 1:54:42.320 you guys on ig for your questions. 1:54:42.360 --> 1:54:43.280 You can do that at morning. 1:54:43.400 --> 1:54:46.640 I think it's morning combat on Instagram. Let's go first 1:54:46.640 --> 1:54:48.160 to our friend at put it up on the screen. 1:54:48.240 --> 1:54:50.919 I want to read it this way from MMA fan Belfast. 1:54:50.960 --> 1:54:53.440 I would love to go to Belfast first, Jose Aldo 1:54:53.520 --> 1:54:56.280 and now justin Gaichie. How are why do such unbelievable 1:54:56.360 --> 1:55:02.520 leg kickers turn into headhunters? For me, jed he wanted 1:55:02.560 --> 1:55:04.480 to be in boxing range more and I know he 1:55:04.520 --> 1:55:07.200 can kick at close range, but to me, this was 1:55:07.280 --> 1:55:10.600 purposeful about being inside of punching range and then denying 1:55:10.680 --> 1:55:13.040 the kind of space where Patty can also do that 1:55:13.160 --> 1:55:15.879 kind of a work. More broadly is a different conversation, 1:55:16.200 --> 1:55:18.360 but in this particular fight, I understand it. 1:55:18.360 --> 1:55:18.760 Actually. 1:55:19.200 --> 1:55:23.120 Yeah, Like people on Finnite were very into this, and 1:55:23.160 --> 1:55:24.840 I was like, yeah, that makes sense to me that 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:28.600 he wouldn't do this one Like, I know that kicking 1:55:28.680 --> 1:55:30.960 is a very good weapon, and we start. He started 1:55:30.960 --> 1:55:32.960 to do that in the later rounds a little bit, 1:55:33.400 --> 1:55:36.680 but mainly it was Patty can kick with me, and 1:55:36.720 --> 1:55:40.040 I don't want to do that. Also, if I kick him, 1:55:40.400 --> 1:55:43.240 the likelihood of be getting taken down is it goes up, 1:55:43.320 --> 1:55:45.400 and that's how I'm going to lose this fight. So 1:55:45.640 --> 1:55:48.880 this was a strategic thing of not going to As 1:55:48.880 --> 1:55:51.080 the fight wore on and it became very evident Patty 1:55:51.120 --> 1:55:52.680 wasn't getting him down, he started to open up the 1:55:52.720 --> 1:55:54.360 kicks a little more, maybe not as much as you want, 1:55:54.400 --> 1:55:57.080 but also like I don't know about the whole head 1:55:57.120 --> 1:55:59.560 hunting thing. I would much prefer to see him throw 1:55:59.600 --> 1:56:02.280 to the b a lot more because I've always thought 1:56:02.320 --> 1:56:06.120 she just doesn't do that nearly enough, especially how the 1:56:06.160 --> 1:56:07.040 rest of his game works. 1:56:07.080 --> 1:56:07.680 Would be huge. 1:56:07.720 --> 1:56:10.480 But it's not like he was head hunting and missing. 1:56:11.360 --> 1:56:15.360 He kept head hunting and killing him. So keep doing it. 1:56:15.640 --> 1:56:17.680 But then you go back and look at the stats, 1:56:17.720 --> 1:56:20.760 like against PHYSIV, he didn't throw that many. Against Max, 1:56:20.760 --> 1:56:23.920 he threw like forty or something like. This isn't This 1:56:23.960 --> 1:56:26.680 is not a Jose Aldo full blown. One of my 1:56:26.760 --> 1:56:29.160 best weapons is just something I no longer use, which 1:56:29.200 --> 1:56:32.320 was always a little weird for Aldo. I think this 1:56:32.440 --> 1:56:34.560 was just a strategic decision for this matchup. 1:56:36.400 --> 1:56:39.839 From Brantendo sixty four, he says is the last generation 1:56:39.920 --> 1:56:41.960 of the lightweight division, the most stubborn old guard in 1:56:42.040 --> 1:56:44.560 UFC history. That's a good question. I feel like they've 1:56:44.600 --> 1:56:50.400 only lost to each other or potential goats. John Jones 1:56:50.440 --> 1:56:53.040 decimated two oh five, and it's never been the same 1:56:53.120 --> 1:56:59.120 since heavyweight they kind of aged out. I'm trying to 1:56:59.120 --> 1:57:01.120 think who was stubborn and on their way out the door. 1:57:01.200 --> 1:57:02.640 This is one of the biggest examples of. 1:57:02.560 --> 1:57:03.800 Them, So. 1:57:05.400 --> 1:57:08.240 I agree with the premise the heart of this question, 1:57:08.480 --> 1:57:13.360 because yes, like they're good, but again, look at the 1:57:13.400 --> 1:57:16.160 women's bandam Waight top fifteen. It's been the same for 1:57:16.240 --> 1:57:19.280 fifteen years, Like that old guard is hanging around, But 1:57:19.320 --> 1:57:23.200 that's more reflection of how bad the division is. Lightweight 1:57:23.320 --> 1:57:25.960 still whips. These guys are just incredible all. 1:57:25.920 --> 1:57:32.800 Timers from fit Man Eats. Thoughts on the canceled bout 1:57:32.840 --> 1:57:35.120 due to the investigation, we kind of covered this one. 1:57:35.680 --> 1:57:36.240 I'll just say this. 1:57:36.280 --> 1:57:37.920 I didn't say this during when we were talking about it. 1:57:38.360 --> 1:57:39.960 I'm not saying to the UC couldn't have been more 1:57:39.960 --> 1:57:42.480 proactive about early in the week kind of flagging that 1:57:42.520 --> 1:57:44.560 this might have been an issue, and they had probably 1:57:44.600 --> 1:57:47.000 had some indication that there was an injury. However, what 1:57:47.040 --> 1:57:50.160 I'm gonna say is if a betting firm goes to 1:57:50.200 --> 1:57:52.480 them and says we have suspicious betting and then they 1:57:52.480 --> 1:57:55.240 pull the fight, that is a good thing and that 1:57:55.360 --> 1:57:58.000 is the correct decision. And they made the correct decision. 1:57:58.600 --> 1:58:01.720 Yeah, one hundred percent, this was like, this is how 1:58:01.720 --> 1:58:04.840 it should work optimally, Because I don't know how much 1:58:04.960 --> 1:58:07.880 they knew that an injury was possible, right, Like they 1:58:07.920 --> 1:58:10.360 do medicals, but fighters lie on medicals all the time. 1:58:10.520 --> 1:58:14.200 Michaels being famously pretended he had working eyeballs and would 1:58:14.200 --> 1:58:16.520 still fly through. So like maybe they just straight up 1:58:16.520 --> 1:58:23.120 didn't know. But I, you know, in a very purely 1:58:23.200 --> 1:58:28.760 hypothetical scenario, I am interested in, like the downstream effects 1:58:29.080 --> 1:58:34.320 of the UFC just canceling bouts based on hearsay and 1:58:34.480 --> 1:58:37.880 or you know, line movement, because like, what does that 1:58:37.920 --> 1:58:41.960 look like? Luke, let me ask you this. It's easy 1:58:42.120 --> 1:58:45.240 and correct to pull this fight one hundred percent agree, 1:58:46.200 --> 1:58:48.760 What if that line movement was in the main event, 1:58:49.680 --> 1:58:52.160 would they have done the same thing for the marquee 1:58:52.280 --> 1:58:55.200 bout as opposed to random prelim bout. 1:58:56.080 --> 1:58:58.320 I don't know. Probably the answer is probably not. 1:58:59.440 --> 1:59:04.440 However, to their credits, the wrong word, and it's not 1:59:04.480 --> 1:59:05.640 even a benefit per se. 1:59:06.480 --> 1:59:09.560 But the way in which whoever is getting. 1:59:09.280 --> 1:59:11.560 These fighters to throw fights, and again people can use 1:59:11.560 --> 1:59:14.960 their imagination, they're picking on a certain class a fighter, 1:59:15.240 --> 1:59:17.600 you know what I mean, rather than that's been the. 1:59:17.560 --> 1:59:20.840 Case through the history of throwing fights. But like, I 1:59:20.920 --> 1:59:23.640 wish somebody had asked Dana when he said this, because 1:59:23.760 --> 1:59:27.040 like we said, fully agree with the choice, but I 1:59:27.080 --> 1:59:29.560 wonder where the line is on which fights they would 1:59:29.600 --> 1:59:31.920 do and not do. If shawna Valley saw a Dong 1:59:32.040 --> 1:59:34.440 had it that's not the main event, maybe they would 1:59:34.440 --> 1:59:36.760 have pulled it if suddenly, you know, the line moved 1:59:36.800 --> 1:59:40.360 two hundred points there it is. I think that this 1:59:40.520 --> 1:59:44.640 is broadly the correct decision. I'm interested in, basically what 1:59:44.680 --> 1:59:48.040 it means that betting patterns can dictate whether a fight 1:59:48.120 --> 1:59:48.720 happens or not. 1:59:48.800 --> 1:59:52.360 Now, all right, let's move to the next one from 1:59:52.680 --> 1:59:56.000 flannels and JITs. After seeing the first show, what are 1:59:56.000 --> 1:59:58.760 your expectations for what the paramount era will be for 1:59:58.800 --> 2:00:02.560 the UFC. I wouldn't read too much into the first event, 2:00:02.600 --> 2:00:04.760 to be honest with you, not yet anyway. Let's I 2:00:04.760 --> 2:00:06.960 think a pattern has to emerge before everyone can just 2:00:06.960 --> 2:00:08.600 be ready for what it all means. 2:00:09.760 --> 2:00:12.400 I think I learned nothing from this that I didn't 2:00:12.400 --> 2:00:14.560 already know. It's going to be the same. The UC 2:00:15.200 --> 2:00:17.600 has not grown to what they are because they are 2:00:18.440 --> 2:00:22.600 an amorphis shifting into tea. They have staked their claim 2:00:22.680 --> 2:00:24.760 they are what they are. They brought much of their 2:00:24.800 --> 2:00:29.120 production team over to CBS. There might be some new things, 2:00:29.280 --> 2:00:31.800 some a bell and whistle here, or there. But this 2:00:31.840 --> 2:00:33.760 is going to be the same UFC you've been watching, 2:00:33.880 --> 2:00:35.640 just at a different price point in America. 2:00:37.120 --> 2:00:40.480 Last, but not least from MJ Silverfang. Will you guys 2:00:40.520 --> 2:00:44.000 make Jed actually shower and brush his teeth for the 2:00:44.040 --> 2:00:45.120 next pregame preview? 2:00:45.200 --> 2:00:48.240 Jed, I did shower. I'm showered right now. 2:00:48.400 --> 2:00:49.520 Do you brush those fangs? 2:00:50.400 --> 2:00:52.800 Look, we don't need to talk about my dental hygiene, 2:00:53.040 --> 2:00:56.160 but I did shower. I showered last time. 2:00:56.600 --> 2:00:58.800 I have brushed my teeth, but I have not showered, 2:00:58.960 --> 2:01:03.680 so I look you look that look fantastic. Uh A 2:01:03.720 --> 2:01:05.480 long Island, Luke. I'm sorry to do this. I need 2:01:05.480 --> 2:01:08.080 one more time. There are children running in and out 2:01:08.080 --> 2:01:10.320 of my house, and I need to go see if 2:01:10.320 --> 2:01:12.160 I need to call the cops very quickly because. 2:01:11.960 --> 2:01:12.720 I don't children. 2:01:12.920 --> 2:01:14.400 You added another for folks who don't know. 2:01:14.520 --> 2:01:17.600 It's a fucking snow day and I have neighborhood kids everywhere. 2:01:17.600 --> 2:01:19.120 And then there's I can just have it. 2:01:19.240 --> 2:01:20.520 You guys have one of those things more when the 2:01:20.520 --> 2:01:23.320 door opens, there's like it's not an alarm, but it's 2:01:23.320 --> 2:01:25.640 like the front door open. Yeah, and all I hear 2:01:25.720 --> 2:01:27.360 when you guys are when Jed's talking. All I hear 2:01:27.400 --> 2:01:29.880 is front door open, front door open, back door open, 2:01:29.920 --> 2:01:31.240 front door open, back door open. 2:01:31.280 --> 2:01:32.440 I'm like, back door open. 2:01:32.880 --> 2:01:34.440 I'll be right, go chack gun and I'll put Jeb 2:01:34.840 --> 2:01:37.480 love it when the back door's open. Yeah, long island, Luke, 2:01:37.480 --> 2:01:37.920 what's going on? 2:01:38.000 --> 2:01:38.160 Man? 2:01:38.480 --> 2:01:40.400 Nothing? We do have one more segment, Jed. 2:01:40.520 --> 2:01:42.880 I know I can't put us both on screen right now, 2:01:42.880 --> 2:01:46.840 which is unfortunate because else is bull. But either way 2:01:47.040 --> 2:01:49.000 it is higher or lower. Guys, we did do it 2:01:49.120 --> 2:01:53.440 last what Friday with Oscar? Or two fridays ago? 2:01:53.800 --> 2:01:55.800 Yeah, you did two Fridays. We did last Friday. 2:01:55.840 --> 2:01:56.880 I was there. Yeah. 2:01:56.920 --> 2:01:58.840 So half of them are silly. Half of them are 2:01:59.360 --> 2:02:02.120 combat sport it's related. Most of them are combat sports related. 2:02:02.200 --> 2:02:04.440 All of them, dare I say, are combat sports related. 2:02:04.800 --> 2:02:07.280 But either way it should be fun. Elt looks like 2:02:07.280 --> 2:02:09.040 he's back all right, I'm back all right. 2:02:09.200 --> 2:02:12.720 Of course your back door open, both of them, fucking 2:02:12.760 --> 2:02:13.280 both of them. 2:02:13.320 --> 2:02:15.920 It's five degrees in my living room right now. This 2:02:16.040 --> 2:02:16.560 is amazing. 2:02:16.880 --> 2:02:18.400 I mean, sounds comfortable. 2:02:18.840 --> 2:02:21.560 ELTI very inviting, what a very inviting home you have? 2:02:21.840 --> 2:02:25.400 Come on in, Elt, We're playing higher or lower again. 2:02:25.560 --> 2:02:27.560 So Okay, here it is higher or lower? 2:02:35.760 --> 2:02:36.080 All right? 2:02:36.080 --> 2:02:39.040 Eltie Europe first, but obviously Jed feel free to chime 2:02:39.080 --> 2:02:42.200 in as well. Sean O'Malley obviously might be next for 2:02:42.240 --> 2:02:44.840 pyotr Jan, but he said he's willing to wait for 2:02:44.920 --> 2:02:49.080 the Yon Morob trilogy to play out. So higher lower 2:02:49.080 --> 2:02:51.280 than one and a half the amount of fights Sean 2:02:51.320 --> 2:02:54.640 O'Malley will have for the remainder of twenty twenty six. 2:02:54.800 --> 2:02:56.040 I'll take the under one. 2:02:56.560 --> 2:02:57.640 Yeah, he's gonna have one. 2:02:58.040 --> 2:03:01.000 And who is it gonna be against? 2:03:01.680 --> 2:03:05.800 I'm saying Umar because I believe Look I call. I 2:03:05.800 --> 2:03:08.240 didn't really in my heart think Justin Gage is going 2:03:08.240 --> 2:03:10.200 to beat Patty Pimlet, but I just kept saying he 2:03:10.240 --> 2:03:13.240 would do it. I'm I'm very in on the secret 2:03:13.800 --> 2:03:18.400 and speaking truth to power. So let's let's go for Umar. 2:03:18.520 --> 2:03:20.160 Let's make it happen, all right. 2:03:20.240 --> 2:03:22.360 But see, I feel like if he fights Umar, win 2:03:22.480 --> 2:03:24.879 or lose, he's probably gonna fight again in twenty twenty. 2:03:24.720 --> 2:03:28.000 Six, because he's not gonna fight Umar until like the summer, 2:03:28.040 --> 2:03:29.640 and then he'll just be out for a while because 2:03:29.680 --> 2:03:31.800 then he'll be either waiting for a title fight or 2:03:32.720 --> 2:03:34.320 contemplating his career future. 2:03:34.840 --> 2:03:37.480 All right, jud this one's for you. We obviously know 2:03:37.520 --> 2:03:39.440 you're a big fan of the Georgia Bulldogs. We know 2:03:39.520 --> 2:03:41.680 everyone you know you bark when you're a Georgia Bullet. 2:03:41.760 --> 2:03:45.880 Oh O go dogs. Yeah, we also know John Silva 2:03:45.960 --> 2:03:48.960 is a big fan of barking. So higher lower than 2:03:49.000 --> 2:03:51.160 three and a half the amount of times you barked 2:03:51.200 --> 2:03:54.480 along with John Silva during fight week zero. 2:03:55.040 --> 2:03:58.320 I love Jean Silva a whole lot, except for his 2:03:58.400 --> 2:04:02.040 gimmicks are the gim of surfing on a dude A plus. 2:04:02.040 --> 2:04:07.160 We love that. The most that he communicates exclusively through 2:04:07.200 --> 2:04:11.480 barking is it's a bit tedious at this point in time, right. 2:04:11.840 --> 2:04:12.960 He's got to do what? 2:04:13.000 --> 2:04:16.000 Why are his nipples the size of pencil erasers? 2:04:16.040 --> 2:04:18.480 I mean, they're very, very tilting to me. 2:04:18.720 --> 2:04:20.600 I gotta I gotta tell you, I have not spent 2:04:20.680 --> 2:04:24.200 a lot of time dissecting the nipples of Jean Silvo. 2:04:24.560 --> 2:04:26.120 You and I watch fights in a different way. 2:04:26.160 --> 2:04:28.440 My friend, Yeah, Well, I got a big ass screen 2:04:28.520 --> 2:04:29.920 right in front of me, and my man's out there 2:04:29.920 --> 2:04:31.800 cutting glass with those things, and I was like, that's 2:04:31.800 --> 2:04:33.080 a lot I need to see. 2:04:32.920 --> 2:04:37.720 All that is men's featherweight. Luke's BC's strawweight. Is that 2:04:37.800 --> 2:04:38.600 what's going on here? 2:04:38.680 --> 2:04:38.880 Yeah? 2:04:38.920 --> 2:04:42.880 He's like, God, they have the best nipples in thatis that? 2:04:43.160 --> 2:04:46.040 Those are some pretty sick areolas on John Silva. 2:04:46.120 --> 2:04:47.880 Okay, I didn't say that. I just know those things 2:04:47.920 --> 2:04:49.640 stuck out and it was annoying. All right, let's be 2:04:49.720 --> 2:04:52.360 let's calm calm your tits. How about that? 2:04:52.480 --> 2:04:52.840 Do that? 2:04:53.320 --> 2:04:53.480 Lt. 2:04:54.360 --> 2:04:56.920 Dana obviously admitted we talked about it, that the Johnson 2:04:56.920 --> 2:04:59.560 Hernandez fight was canceled after receiving a call from the 2:04:59.640 --> 2:05:02.920 Gaming Integrity Service. We know that they also reached out 2:05:02.960 --> 2:05:06.320 for the Dulgarian del Ville fight last year, but that 2:05:06.400 --> 2:05:08.080 was really the first time we've ever heard of them 2:05:08.160 --> 2:05:10.640 being in the spotlight reaching out to the UFC. It 2:05:10.680 --> 2:05:12.960 makes me think of how many times they've reached out 2:05:13.000 --> 2:05:16.000 and the UFC just brushed it under the rug. So 2:05:16.480 --> 2:05:18.960 my question to you is higher lower than four and 2:05:19.000 --> 2:05:22.360 a half the amount of calls Dana has gotten from 2:05:22.480 --> 2:05:25.760 the Gaming in Integrity Service in the last ten years. 2:05:26.000 --> 2:05:28.520 Take the over on that one, yeah, okay, to take 2:05:28.560 --> 2:05:30.360 the over on that one hard, all right? 2:05:30.400 --> 2:05:31.040 So what are you thinking? 2:05:31.080 --> 2:05:33.520 What what would have been a better higher or lower. 2:05:33.400 --> 2:05:36.800 Like what what should double that? Yeah? 2:05:36.840 --> 2:05:38.520 I think at least once a year. 2:05:39.160 --> 2:05:41.280 In the last ten years, at least. 2:05:41.040 --> 2:05:44.360 Once, yes, yeah, yeah, Jed, you're integrations. 2:05:44.040 --> 2:05:47.240 Or at least on average, I mean because obviously you 2:05:47.280 --> 2:05:50.280 know gay or you know, but daily fantasy and then 2:05:50.280 --> 2:05:54.680 turning that into you know, more recreational gambling is relatively new, 2:05:54.840 --> 2:05:57.120 so but on average you have to be harder than that. 2:05:57.440 --> 2:05:59.320 Yeah, right, Jed, this one's for you. 2:05:59.520 --> 2:05:59.680 Uh. 2:06:00.240 --> 2:06:03.640 Lewis obviously didn't look great on Saturday, but heavyweight is 2:06:03.720 --> 2:06:06.080 so bad that I still think at forty years old, 2:06:06.160 --> 2:06:09.640 he is a viable resource. So my question to you, 2:06:09.640 --> 2:06:11.200 you can pull up the rankings if you need to 2:06:11.840 --> 2:06:14.440 higher or lower than seven and a half the amount 2:06:14.480 --> 2:06:18.320 of top fifteen heavyweights you would favor Derek Lewis to 2:06:18.440 --> 2:06:20.920 win over I mean. 2:06:21.280 --> 2:06:25.400 A top fifteen. So basically, can he beat more than 2:06:25.480 --> 2:06:30.200 half of the current ranked heavyweights. I'm going to reflexively 2:06:30.320 --> 2:06:33.400 say I would favor him fewer, but let's go through 2:06:33.400 --> 2:06:36.120 it real fast. I assume we're counting Tom Asmol as 2:06:36.160 --> 2:06:40.960 a champion. No zero gone, no Volkov, no Pavovich, no Blades, 2:06:41.040 --> 2:06:45.120 no WCA, no, I'll made a no. I mean he 2:06:45.160 --> 2:06:47.040 has lost to all of these. Yeah, it was just 2:06:47.080 --> 2:06:50.720 this point, so that's seven right there, seven straight. 2:06:50.800 --> 2:06:52.400 No, but look at this back half. Look at this 2:06:52.480 --> 2:06:52.960 back half. 2:06:53.280 --> 2:06:58.600 I mean he can't count himself. Spevac no Delia, I 2:06:58.640 --> 2:07:06.120 mean no, not off that laud performance. Tibera, No, I wouldn't. 2:07:06.320 --> 2:07:08.480 That's the thing. He could beat them, Like, once we 2:07:08.600 --> 2:07:11.960 get past Spevac, It's like he could beat these people. 2:07:12.600 --> 2:07:17.400 I still wouldn't favor him against Daliya, Tibera, Kadziev. I 2:07:17.440 --> 2:07:20.320 know he lost to ty To Ivasa, but like they 2:07:20.360 --> 2:07:23.520 kind of should just fight again because they're both in shambles. Yeah, 2:07:23.680 --> 2:07:27.120 big part, like I under by a mile. 2:07:27.440 --> 2:07:29.760 All right, I would have thought that was a good line. 2:07:30.120 --> 2:07:32.880 I would favor him against Talison to Shaa because he 2:07:33.160 --> 2:07:33.800 just beat him. 2:07:35.280 --> 2:07:35.440 LT. 2:07:36.120 --> 2:07:37.560 We know you didn't want to see debt and co 2:07:37.680 --> 2:07:40.400 at the sphere with PC, but I would rather get 2:07:40.400 --> 2:07:40.880 fucked to death. 2:07:42.200 --> 2:07:44.720 Okay, but you did that, so that means you you 2:07:44.760 --> 2:07:46.280 want to get very specific. 2:07:46.480 --> 2:07:47.520 No, that's not what that means. 2:07:47.640 --> 2:07:49.600 That means that, given the choice I had to I 2:07:49.600 --> 2:07:51.320 had a debt to pay, Remember, I lost a bet, 2:07:51.360 --> 2:07:52.280 I had to go do it. 2:07:52.320 --> 2:07:52.680 All right? 2:07:52.760 --> 2:07:54.640 Well, either way, I'm going to assume when you go 2:07:54.680 --> 2:07:56.840 see a band you actually like that, you probably have 2:07:56.880 --> 2:07:58.040 some gummies in your tummy. 2:07:58.120 --> 2:07:58.600 So sure. 2:07:58.720 --> 2:08:00.760 My question to you was at. 2:08:00.560 --> 2:08:03.720 The sphere specifically high or lower than ninety nine and 2:08:03.720 --> 2:08:07.040 a half milligrams the amount of delta eight you had 2:08:07.400 --> 2:08:09.160 you ate before dead and coo at the spear. 2:08:09.280 --> 2:08:13.200 Oh brother, I mean you ever seen those cartoons when 2:08:13.200 --> 2:08:15.360 they're at the fair and they take the hammer and 2:08:15.400 --> 2:08:17.000 then they hit the thing and then it shoots up 2:08:17.040 --> 2:08:19.600 and it dings at the top. Buddy, you could do 2:08:19.680 --> 2:08:22.360 that one hundred times in a row. Take the motherfucking 2:08:22.600 --> 2:08:23.600 over on this one. 2:08:23.640 --> 2:08:27.040 Were talking how many hundreds? 2:08:27.640 --> 2:08:30.200 I mean, I think I started at one hundred before 2:08:30.240 --> 2:08:31.800 we even got there, all. 2:08:31.760 --> 2:08:33.480 Right, Well, that that's what I meant, like before you 2:08:33.520 --> 2:08:35.000 got no, but like we were there. 2:08:35.560 --> 2:08:37.600 So the way it worked was we got there early 2:08:38.160 --> 2:08:42.320 and they had tickets for us because one of the 2:08:42.360 --> 2:08:44.800 obviously BC was friends with one of the guys who 2:08:44.880 --> 2:08:46.400 was in the vand and then we hung out with 2:08:46.440 --> 2:08:49.160 them kind of not backstage, but like in a private area, 2:08:49.280 --> 2:08:51.840 and then there was even more to indulge at that point. 2:08:51.840 --> 2:08:53.720 So by the time the fight started, the fights I'm 2:08:53.760 --> 2:08:55.200 sorry the concert started. 2:08:55.280 --> 2:08:59.960 I was, I mean, how are dead and come? 2:09:00.040 --> 2:09:00.839 But he's nipples? 2:09:00.880 --> 2:09:01.520 Do you have any? 2:09:02.360 --> 2:09:03.880 John? Old guys? 2:09:04.040 --> 2:09:06.400 And they were mercifully they were clothed. What I will 2:09:06.440 --> 2:09:08.680 tell you is, bro, have you ever been to like 2:09:08.760 --> 2:09:10.640 it's a year from Georgia. You ever been to like 2:09:10.640 --> 2:09:12.320 a widespread panic concert? 2:09:12.720 --> 2:09:15.640 Yes, Okay, I'm not I'm not happy about that, but. 2:09:15.880 --> 2:09:20.920 It's like, it's a what do white guys who are 2:09:20.960 --> 2:09:25.240 in middle age who are not into gospel but like 2:09:25.320 --> 2:09:29.000 to just sway when they stand when they're listening to me? 2:09:29.840 --> 2:09:32.320 They do they go to shows like this one. 2:09:32.360 --> 2:09:32.560 That's what. 2:09:32.720 --> 2:09:35.400 This is a good move, like you just you're rocking along? 2:09:35.520 --> 2:09:35.800 It was. 2:09:35.960 --> 2:09:37.840 It was it looked like people people are like putting 2:09:37.840 --> 2:09:40.280 their hands up like this, you know. It looked like 2:09:40.360 --> 2:09:43.080 gospel just no religion whatsoever. 2:09:43.120 --> 2:09:44.120 It was. It was interesting. 2:09:45.000 --> 2:09:47.040 Everyone has their own different kinds of religion. 2:09:47.360 --> 2:09:49.480 And I was like, where are you pussy's gonna mash, 2:09:49.480 --> 2:09:51.360 but get the fuck out my way? 2:09:51.400 --> 2:09:55.600 And then they started rowing, uh, John, I want to. 2:09:55.600 --> 2:10:00.560 See fucking Luke Thomas pushing fifty mahing Still. 2:10:00.600 --> 2:10:02.920 No, I'm too old for that shit. But I've told 2:10:02.960 --> 2:10:05.160 the story before. This is not a joke. The last 2:10:05.160 --> 2:10:07.000 time I saw Cannibal Corpse, this is really true. I 2:10:07.000 --> 2:10:10.680 saw them at the Filmore in Silver Spring, Maryland, and 2:10:10.720 --> 2:10:13.040 there was a girl down there in the middle of 2:10:13.040 --> 2:10:15.880 this smash pit and a dude, I'm straight up just 2:10:16.080 --> 2:10:17.400 knuckling up with everyone. 2:10:17.480 --> 2:10:18.520 I'm not talking, you. 2:10:18.480 --> 2:10:23.080 Know, flailing, no bawling up the fist and just socking 2:10:23.160 --> 2:10:25.280 dudes in the face with it. And then I saw 2:10:25.320 --> 2:10:27.800 her get swallowed by the pit and then I never 2:10:27.880 --> 2:10:30.480 saw her the rest of the time we were there. 2:10:30.840 --> 2:10:32.800 So I don't know what kind of rules of the 2:10:32.840 --> 2:10:36.000 jungle that they allow at these shows, but it was 2:10:36.520 --> 2:10:37.520 it was a little concerning. 2:10:37.720 --> 2:10:39.360 They sacrificed her later that night. 2:10:39.640 --> 2:10:40.840 It probably did jed. 2:10:40.960 --> 2:10:41.680 This one's for you. 2:10:41.800 --> 2:10:44.760 John Silva probably has a legit argument for getting the 2:10:44.760 --> 2:10:48.480 next title shot, right if especially if they book Murphy Ofloyev, 2:10:48.480 --> 2:10:51.560 which is rumored to be happening in March. Nothing official, 2:10:51.920 --> 2:10:54.200 but without that fight taking place, they may still give 2:10:54.240 --> 2:10:55.640 it to him either way, because it's. 2:10:55.520 --> 2:10:57.160 John Silva, He's marketable or whatever. 2:10:57.280 --> 2:11:01.040 So my question to you higher lower than the amount 2:11:01.080 --> 2:11:04.240 of fights John Silva will need to take before. 2:11:03.840 --> 2:11:04.920 Getting a title shot. 2:11:05.360 --> 2:11:07.920 This is a good line. I'm taking the over. I 2:11:07.920 --> 2:11:11.920 think depending on how Vulk Lopez goes, what Vulk does 2:11:11.920 --> 2:11:15.960 with his career after that, and injury situation, John Silva 2:11:16.000 --> 2:11:19.520 could get there. I think it is unlikely. I think 2:11:19.520 --> 2:11:21.560 it's more likely he has to fight one more time 2:11:22.080 --> 2:11:24.400 and he'll do it and then he'll fight for the 2:11:24.440 --> 2:11:26.400 belt after that. So I'm taking the over. 2:11:27.200 --> 2:11:31.560 Lt I'll take the over. 2:11:32.280 --> 2:11:34.600 I'll take the over because, especially if Vulk loses and 2:11:34.840 --> 2:11:37.800 there's any kind of controversy about it, I don't think 2:11:37.840 --> 2:11:39.560 they're just gonna slot in Silva. 2:11:39.720 --> 2:11:42.880 No, all right, but I feel like, all right, you 2:11:42.880 --> 2:11:44.880 guys might be right. I was gonna say win or lose. 2:11:44.920 --> 2:11:46.600 I feel like they're just gonna give John Silva the 2:11:46.600 --> 2:11:48.440 title shot. I just I could see it. 2:11:48.520 --> 2:11:52.360 I mean again, I do think that is We're definitely 2:11:52.400 --> 2:11:53.880 a thing that you need to consider. 2:11:53.600 --> 2:11:57.400 Like it is definitely in play. If Vulk being yes 2:11:57.480 --> 2:11:58.080 next week. 2:11:57.960 --> 2:11:59.920 The line you're setting is the right one, I'll put it. 2:12:00.760 --> 2:12:03.280 There's also a timing issue because if they do do 2:12:03.880 --> 2:12:06.120 I said do do do and I said do do? 2:12:06.160 --> 2:12:06.480 I get it. 2:12:06.920 --> 2:12:10.120 If they do end up going with movsar versus Murphy 2:12:10.480 --> 2:12:12.640 the winner of that is very clearly going to be 2:12:12.760 --> 2:12:15.840 the next guy, unless the timing does not work out 2:12:15.880 --> 2:12:18.440 at all. But you know that fight won't be in 2:12:18.520 --> 2:12:20.240 six weeks or whatever. It's not like that time he 2:12:20.320 --> 2:12:22.760 is that bad, So true, U. 2:12:23.440 --> 2:12:24.120 LT back to you. 2:12:24.320 --> 2:12:27.520 Ilia said recently that he's willing to come back in April, 2:12:27.560 --> 2:12:31.080 though obviously nothing is official, and with Justin winning the 2:12:31.080 --> 2:12:33.840 interim belt, maybe that increases the likelihood of that fight 2:12:33.960 --> 2:12:37.240 being at the White House, considering Justin is an American. 2:12:37.680 --> 2:12:39.800 So my question to you is higher or lower than 2:12:39.880 --> 2:12:42.440 five and a half the amount of months before we 2:12:42.480 --> 2:12:48.640 see Ilia versus Justin Gagee, This would put us at 2:12:48.680 --> 2:12:50.640 like mid June. All right, No, I guess it would 2:12:50.640 --> 2:12:50.920 put us. 2:12:50.960 --> 2:12:53.280 Yeah, would mid jun because it's basically six months a 2:12:53.280 --> 2:12:54.840 little less than six months. 2:12:54.840 --> 2:12:56.840 But it's also basically oh yeah, yeah, mid June. 2:12:57.120 --> 2:13:02.680 I mean it's I'll take the over, maybe barely, maybe barely, 2:13:02.720 --> 2:13:03.520 but I'll take the over. 2:13:03.640 --> 2:13:05.280 I think that you don't think it's happening at the 2:13:05.280 --> 2:13:05.760 White House. 2:13:07.560 --> 2:13:08.920 Well I think it is happening at the White House. 2:13:08.920 --> 2:13:09.560 So how do I answer this? 2:13:09.680 --> 2:13:11.440 Well, let's just say under for the White House, because 2:13:11.440 --> 2:13:13.280 that's like Okay, under. 2:13:13.040 --> 2:13:14.520 The line is the White House card? 2:13:14.680 --> 2:13:14.880 Yeah? 2:13:15.480 --> 2:13:16.280 After the White House? 2:13:16.440 --> 2:13:18.240 Yeah, you should have put in five or something. 2:13:18.040 --> 2:13:19.960 You know, whatever I mean. Is it happening on the 2:13:19.960 --> 2:13:21.240 White House or after the White House? 2:13:21.280 --> 2:13:22.560 My view as it happens at the White House. 2:13:22.640 --> 2:13:25.840 Yes, Okay, Jed, I'll take the over. 2:13:26.040 --> 2:13:31.400 I think I'm probably wrong, but I don't know. I 2:13:31.600 --> 2:13:34.000 just I'm not entirely confident Ily is going to come 2:13:34.040 --> 2:13:36.440 back as quickly as he's maybe talked about. He's got 2:13:36.440 --> 2:13:39.360 some stuff going on in his life and he might 2:13:39.400 --> 2:13:40.120 just wait a little bit. 2:13:40.720 --> 2:13:41.240 I'm with you. 2:13:41.280 --> 2:13:44.400 I think that Ilia is taking longer than we're gonna 2:13:44.640 --> 2:13:48.280 we realize right now, and this fight doesn't happening anytime soon. 2:13:48.360 --> 2:13:52.000 But you know, Jed, a lot of fans were unhappy 2:13:52.000 --> 2:13:53.960 with the amount of ads. Obviously, we talked about it, 2:13:54.040 --> 2:13:56.320 Dana replying by saying, it's only eight ninety nine. 2:13:56.360 --> 2:13:57.200 What do you expect. 2:13:57.480 --> 2:14:00.560 So, whether it's from annoyed fans wanting less ads, or 2:14:00.600 --> 2:14:04.240 from Data himself or the company themselves deciding they need 2:14:04.240 --> 2:14:08.480 more money per customer, a price increase is obviously inevitable, 2:14:09.000 --> 2:14:12.480 so higher lower than eighty nine and a half days, 2:14:13.040 --> 2:14:16.000 the amount of days before the next price increase on 2:14:16.120 --> 2:14:18.200 Paramount plus high. 2:14:19.120 --> 2:14:21.920 I mean, they just they just knocked up their prices 2:14:23.040 --> 2:14:26.160 like at the start of this year. It'll one will come, 2:14:26.360 --> 2:14:27.960 It'll just come at the start of next year. 2:14:28.160 --> 2:14:30.880 Yeah, they'll do the annual Oh we're gonna bump this 2:14:30.960 --> 2:14:32.160 up to blah blah blah. 2:14:32.200 --> 2:14:32.360 You know. 2:14:33.160 --> 2:14:35.800 Did ESPN I feel like they do midyear bumps all 2:14:35.840 --> 2:14:36.680 the time? Did they not? 2:14:37.080 --> 2:14:38.480 They did, they did. 2:14:38.360 --> 2:14:41.200 But remember they started at four ninety nine, like we're 2:14:41.240 --> 2:14:43.720 already at eight ninety nine, and then thirteen ninety. 2:14:43.560 --> 2:14:47.120 Nine for free pay per views. 2:14:47.160 --> 2:14:51.160 So the difference is ESPN's bumps to my recollection, their 2:14:51.200 --> 2:14:53.680 bumps were always pay per view price point bumps as 2:14:53.680 --> 2:14:55.360 opposed to like our sub feed bump. 2:14:56.200 --> 2:14:56.920 That's a good point. 2:14:57.000 --> 2:14:59.320 And it's like Netflix, Like Netflix does it I pay. 2:14:59.440 --> 2:15:01.080 I used to pay eight dollars or whatever, and I 2:15:01.200 --> 2:15:03.920 paid twenty six or whatever it is. Yeah, but it 2:15:04.080 --> 2:15:06.320 usually comes as an annual email like the one I 2:15:06.360 --> 2:15:09.680 got from Paramount being like your price is going up. True, 2:15:09.720 --> 2:15:11.840 and so I assume that it will happen. It will 2:15:11.880 --> 2:15:15.600 happen in December, all right, LT during. 2:15:15.440 --> 2:15:18.360 Your live chot on Thursday and during MK on Friday, 2:15:18.520 --> 2:15:21.400 you showed everyone you were drinking sugar free A and 2:15:21.560 --> 2:15:24.440 W Roopier. Yes, obviously you must have got a twelve 2:15:24.520 --> 2:15:27.040 pack of it recently or something. So my question to 2:15:27.080 --> 2:15:29.520 you is higher lower than five and a half the 2:15:29.560 --> 2:15:31.880 amount of sugar free A and W roopiers you've drank 2:15:31.880 --> 2:15:33.080 in the last three days. 2:15:33.280 --> 2:15:35.000 Take the five men I might have had all twelve 2:15:35.000 --> 2:15:35.880 in the last three days. 2:15:35.880 --> 2:15:37.400 All right, this is what I was curious abou. Do 2:15:37.400 --> 2:15:39.720 you drink multiple in a day? Because you just kept 2:15:39.720 --> 2:15:40.080 pulling up? 2:15:40.200 --> 2:15:43.080 Typically one a day, but like when fights get closer, 2:15:43.160 --> 2:15:44.640 it's two and sometimes three. 2:15:44.840 --> 2:15:47.400 Yeah, yeah, all right, Jad you a soda guy at all. 2:15:48.000 --> 2:15:48.760 I like soda. 2:15:49.320 --> 2:15:52.200 I don't like sugarless flavorless motherfuckers. 2:15:52.560 --> 2:15:54.080 You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Bro, 2:15:54.200 --> 2:15:56.640 nonut sweeteners are so much better than they used to be. 2:15:56.960 --> 2:15:59.600 I can confidently say I have never tried it. So 2:15:59.640 --> 2:16:01.320 it just possible that have. 2:16:01.320 --> 2:16:03.640 You had that mountain zero sugar? No? 2:16:03.840 --> 2:16:05.720 I haven't, I don't. I gotta tell you, I don't 2:16:05.720 --> 2:16:07.240 know the last time I had a mountain dew. 2:16:07.320 --> 2:16:10.680 In general, mountain do zero sugar is tremendo. 2:16:11.120 --> 2:16:14.000 I used to drink mountain dew because it had high caffeine, 2:16:14.080 --> 2:16:18.200 and then they everyone just started making fucking energy drink. 2:16:18.240 --> 2:16:18.880 So I don't need that. 2:16:19.160 --> 2:16:20.720 Do you know mountain dew? I think it is banned 2:16:20.720 --> 2:16:22.720 in the UK. No, it's not banned, but it's labeled 2:16:22.720 --> 2:16:25.120 as an energy drink in the UK because of it's 2:16:25.400 --> 2:16:26.240 caffeine content. 2:16:26.360 --> 2:16:29.160 Yeah, that tracks. It's that ship was like Surge only 2:16:29.560 --> 2:16:30.640 only still around. 2:16:30.760 --> 2:16:33.039 So a big jolt guy oh. 2:16:33.040 --> 2:16:36.080 Man, Joel, I haven't thought of jolt years. 2:16:36.240 --> 2:16:38.320 I couldn't believe this. I found this out. Colombia's got 2:16:38.360 --> 2:16:42.000 a soda called Roman Cola with a K. It predates 2:16:42.000 --> 2:16:45.040 Coca Cola. It was it was founded earlier than them, 2:16:45.160 --> 2:16:46.920 which I was shocked to. 2:16:46.879 --> 2:16:48.560 Hear on the bottle. 2:16:50.920 --> 2:16:53.520 Roman. I don't know, not, not not that I'm aware of. 2:16:53.800 --> 2:16:56.040 How do we think that pairs with rum? It's good? 2:16:56.120 --> 2:17:04.119 Oh it'sncola. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I'll say that, Yes, 2:17:04.120 --> 2:17:04.480 all right. 2:17:05.040 --> 2:17:08.000 Jed Geechie has said one more Ko loss and he's done. 2:17:08.080 --> 2:17:11.000 Trevor Whitman has said one more loss and he's done. 2:17:11.560 --> 2:17:14.200 Ilia fight obviously should be next. But there is a 2:17:14.240 --> 2:17:17.640 world justin wins. There's also a world, Ilia stays on 2:17:17.680 --> 2:17:20.360 the sidelines for however long, and Justin fights someone else. 2:17:20.560 --> 2:17:23.160 And there's also a world that even with a loss, 2:17:23.400 --> 2:17:26.560 Justin continues fighting. So my question to you is higher 2:17:26.680 --> 2:17:28.920 lower than one and a half the amount of fights 2:17:29.080 --> 2:17:33.120 Justin Gatchie will have for the remainder of his career over. 2:17:34.640 --> 2:17:36.920 I think he's talked about it. I don't think we 2:17:36.959 --> 2:17:41.040 have that many. Assuming he loses to Ilia. I think 2:17:41.080 --> 2:17:44.040 he'll think about it, and then he'll want a couple 2:17:44.040 --> 2:17:46.359 of things, because he's spoken pretty open like he wants 2:17:46.680 --> 2:17:49.160 he wants another crack at Max and the BMF belt, 2:17:49.600 --> 2:17:52.199 And we hadn't talked about it at all today. But uh, 2:17:52.320 --> 2:17:54.080 I don't know if you guys saw this last night, 2:17:54.720 --> 2:17:58.840 old Dustin Pourier out here out here commenting, posting saying 2:17:59.440 --> 2:18:01.680 I'd come back to fight Justin Gatgee one more time, 2:18:02.400 --> 2:18:05.480 and so like that kind of feels that feels like 2:18:05.520 --> 2:18:07.959 the perfect end of his career. Right he loses to Ilia, 2:18:08.320 --> 2:18:11.000 he fights Max one more, however that goes, and then 2:18:11.120 --> 2:18:13.720 ends his career with the trilogy about with Porier sign 2:18:13.720 --> 2:18:14.400 me up for that ship? 2:18:14.840 --> 2:18:18.119 I think, I think I think if if to Pooria's 2:18:18.160 --> 2:18:21.840 next and to Poria ices him, U like, like puts 2:18:21.879 --> 2:18:22.520 him out cold. 2:18:22.959 --> 2:18:24.119 I think that might be the end. 2:18:25.280 --> 2:18:28.640 I mean, I understand it's I do think it's a 2:18:28.680 --> 2:18:32.200 good over under I understand your point, Luke. I'll just say, 2:18:32.400 --> 2:18:38.280 this is Mma who actually retires in this sport, true 2:18:38.320 --> 2:18:40.840 and justin like you know, he got the face plant 2:18:40.920 --> 2:18:43.320 Ko against Max and acts like that and never he's like, 2:18:43.360 --> 2:18:45.400 if I got knocked out bad, you know I'm done. 2:18:45.400 --> 2:18:47.560 It's like you you've already been knocked out bad, you know. 2:18:48.520 --> 2:18:53.640 To to his defense, his original thesis was always I've 2:18:53.680 --> 2:18:57.400 got five wars left in me, and he's now had 2:18:57.480 --> 2:19:00.440 three of them, so he's still got two left in 2:19:00.480 --> 2:19:03.600 the chamber to wars and or bad losses. 2:19:05.160 --> 2:19:06.240 LT. This one's for you. 2:19:06.240 --> 2:19:09.640 You once said you watch Volkanovski Holloway two forty nine times. 2:19:09.760 --> 2:19:11.520 Yes, famously, And while the other. 2:19:11.360 --> 2:19:14.279 Two fights weren't nearly as kind. 2:19:14.160 --> 2:19:16.000 Guys are you? Guys are dumb? I want you both 2:19:16.040 --> 2:19:16.600 to know that. 2:19:17.000 --> 2:19:19.480 The other two fights, Luke, weren't nearly as controversial, but 2:19:19.560 --> 2:19:22.760 you often neglect to mention how many times you've watched them, 2:19:22.879 --> 2:19:25.560 so higher or lower than nine and a half the 2:19:25.600 --> 2:19:29.320 amount of times combined that you've watched Volkanovsky Holloway one 2:19:29.520 --> 2:19:30.240 and three. 2:19:30.959 --> 2:19:34.840 No, it'd be the over because I watched the first 2:19:34.840 --> 2:19:37.000 one a lot, and I know I watched the third 2:19:37.040 --> 2:19:40.360 one because of how one sided it was at least 2:19:40.400 --> 2:19:44.080 six or seven times. So between those two it's gotta 2:19:44.120 --> 2:19:44.680 be over ten. 2:19:45.040 --> 2:19:47.440 If you're not doing tape study, how often do you 2:19:47.480 --> 2:19:51.400 rewatch a fight? Like what's an average your every day 2:19:51.959 --> 2:19:53.760 Let's say, like John Silva, Arnold Allen? 2:19:53.800 --> 2:19:55.440 How many times are you going to watch that back. 2:19:56.840 --> 2:19:59.160 Only for I mean only for tape study purposes of 2:19:59.200 --> 2:20:01.280 this one? All right? So yeah, all right, Like. 2:20:01.200 --> 2:20:04.320 If there's I mean, I'll rewatch classic bouts or fun 2:20:04.400 --> 2:20:08.320 bouts or you know, I'll go down memory lane. But 2:20:08.560 --> 2:20:12.039 just it's just it's just it's not really it's just 2:20:12.040 --> 2:20:13.880 a question of how much time I have. And because 2:20:13.879 --> 2:20:15.959 my time is dude, I've got kids running through my 2:20:15.959 --> 2:20:18.160 goddamn living room leaving the fridge door open, you know 2:20:18.200 --> 2:20:20.320 what I mean. Like it's like I don't have time 2:20:20.320 --> 2:20:22.400 to be like, oh, what fun little adventure am I 2:20:22.480 --> 2:20:25.520 going to go down today? It's like, Okay, I've got 2:20:25.520 --> 2:20:26.800 to do tape studdy for X, Y and Z. 2:20:26.879 --> 2:20:27.800 I'm going to focus on that. 2:20:28.200 --> 2:20:30.840 I did do the math on you watching Volkanowski Holloway 2:20:30.879 --> 2:20:33.240 two forty nine times, and it came out to roughly 2:20:33.320 --> 2:20:34.720 twenty three hours, I believe. 2:20:34.800 --> 2:20:38.920 So no, no, As I explained at the time, it's 2:20:38.959 --> 2:20:42.640 not totally right. I counted each time I fired up 2:20:42.720 --> 2:20:48.039 another like like tape session. So I may not have 2:20:48.080 --> 2:20:50.720 watched in a full tape session the entire five rounds. 2:20:50.720 --> 2:20:53.080 I may have watched rounds two and three, or I 2:20:53.120 --> 2:20:54.879 may have watched just the championship rounds, you. 2:20:54.879 --> 2:20:55.240 Know what I mean. 2:20:55.280 --> 2:20:58.640 So, so it's a it's an amalgamation of shorter stints 2:20:58.640 --> 2:20:59.080 than that. 2:20:59.240 --> 2:21:02.840 All right, Uh? Jed last one for you, John Silva. 2:21:03.040 --> 2:21:05.520 Obviously he rode the back of Arnold Allen. We all 2:21:05.520 --> 2:21:07.800 thought it was funny, like he was a damn surfboard. 2:21:07.879 --> 2:21:10.200 In the waiting seconds of their about on Saturday. It 2:21:10.280 --> 2:21:13.320 got me thinking, has Jed ever surfed before? 2:21:13.440 --> 2:21:14.840 So higher? 2:21:14.920 --> 2:21:17.199 Lower than three and a half the amount of time 2:21:17.360 --> 2:21:21.560 in seconds you could smurf A smurf surf a small wave. 2:21:21.800 --> 2:21:25.160 I couldn't smurf shit a small wave. I can. 2:21:25.280 --> 2:21:25.879 I can get up. 2:21:26.040 --> 2:21:28.320 I mean, I grew up on the coast there's not 2:21:28.360 --> 2:21:31.440 like a lot of great surfing in Savannah. But like 2:21:31.520 --> 2:21:33.959 I grew up on the coast, I did a lot 2:21:33.959 --> 2:21:36.959 of bodyboarding, much on boogie boarding because the waves are 2:21:37.000 --> 2:21:37.960 just not big enough. 2:21:38.200 --> 2:21:39.240 Counting that we're talking. 2:21:39.400 --> 2:21:43.200 Yeah, but like I have and am capable, I mean 2:21:43.240 --> 2:21:45.000 I haven't done it in years. I assume I am 2:21:45.040 --> 2:21:48.640 still have the baseline level of coordination to surf a 2:21:48.680 --> 2:21:51.600 small wave for more than three and a half seconds. 2:21:51.640 --> 2:21:54.520 But I'm not like dropping in a pipe. 2:21:55.160 --> 2:21:57.120 Yeah, I mean I didn't think so that's why I 2:21:57.120 --> 2:21:59.280 put the over under a three. Yeah, lt you can 2:21:59.320 --> 2:22:01.720 put my big ass on the under. Yeah, trust that. 2:22:01.959 --> 2:22:04.720 I figured you were uncoordinated like that. No offense. 2:22:04.840 --> 2:22:06.320 But anyways, guys, that was higher. 2:22:06.360 --> 2:22:09.240 I could serve for human far less though, like I 2:22:09.560 --> 2:22:11.879 couldn't do what John Silva did, which was cool. 2:22:12.440 --> 2:22:12.760 Dude. 2:22:12.840 --> 2:22:15.200 I put on my Instagram story someone made like an 2:22:15.240 --> 2:22:17.440 AI thing where he starts riding Arnold Allen. 2:22:17.480 --> 2:22:19.879 It turns into a skateboard he's at the skate park. 2:22:20.080 --> 2:22:22.720 That's so good, so fucking good. But that was higher 2:22:22.760 --> 2:22:23.920 lower guys, hope you enjoyed it. 2:22:24.480 --> 2:22:26.640 Yes, I did all right, very good? 2:22:27.200 --> 2:22:30.920 Uh, which now I think that's it that brings us 2:22:30.959 --> 2:22:31.640 to the end of the show. 2:22:31.920 --> 2:22:32.400 Well done. 2:22:32.680 --> 2:22:35.240 Uh, Jed, I saw your article. It is up on 2:22:35.440 --> 2:22:38.320 MMA fighting dot com. Why don't you plug your work dope? 2:22:38.440 --> 2:22:40.840 Uh yeah, mmefin dot com. It's a great website. 2:22:41.000 --> 2:22:41.600 Uh. 2:22:41.800 --> 2:22:44.600 We have a but after action report for UOC three 2:22:44.879 --> 2:22:48.840 four you can get more thoughts on mine there and 2:22:48.959 --> 2:22:50.000 or other people at the thing. 2:22:50.280 --> 2:22:50.800 Uh. 2:22:50.959 --> 2:22:52.480 I don't know if you guys know this. There's a 2:22:52.480 --> 2:22:54.199 pay per view this week and. 2:22:54.640 --> 2:22:55.879 Are you guys sending anybody? 2:22:56.440 --> 2:23:00.480 No, we because it's in Australia. Who came decision not 2:23:00.520 --> 2:23:03.400 to which also super worked out because normally be Jose Jose, 2:23:03.720 --> 2:23:07.240 like Chuck strained it right now so he maybe it 2:23:07.240 --> 2:23:09.480 would actually be fine because maybe he just fly directly 2:23:09.480 --> 2:23:13.240 to Australia instead of trying to fly back. But no, 2:23:13.240 --> 2:23:14.760 no one going to be boots on the ground for 2:23:14.800 --> 2:23:16.880 this one. But we're going to do the same stuff. 2:23:16.959 --> 2:23:20.200 We will have between the links on Thursday. At some 2:23:20.320 --> 2:23:22.480 point me and Chuck Minden Hall got to get it 2:23:22.520 --> 2:23:26.840 on on prop quiz Long Island since Luke Thomas is 2:23:26.879 --> 2:23:28.480 a coward and refuses to face me. 2:23:28.920 --> 2:23:32.200 Yes, I see You're coming around as soon as we 2:23:32.240 --> 2:23:33.760 signed off. I'm convincing you we're doing it this. 2:23:33.800 --> 2:23:35.920 If you start opening up the topics to things that 2:23:36.160 --> 2:23:39.720 you know I studied in great detail, then yes. 2:23:39.640 --> 2:23:42.039 Deal done, that's it. We're done. We're doing it. 2:23:42.640 --> 2:23:45.960 Uh So if all of the topics are just the 2:23:46.000 --> 2:23:47.879 Max Holloway Volk too, we're good. 2:23:47.959 --> 2:23:49.240 No. 2:23:49.320 --> 2:23:52.080 So I did the very first episode and it was 2:23:52.120 --> 2:23:53.800 things like it was like there was a little bit 2:23:53.840 --> 2:23:56.840 like a bit of a DC trivia or history trivia, 2:23:56.920 --> 2:23:59.520 and I smoked all that it was. Then it was like, ah, 2:23:59.560 --> 2:24:02.680 what was the seventeen significant strike Throne by Oladay Osborne 2:24:02.720 --> 2:24:04.800 and his Contender series Round three perform out? 2:24:04.879 --> 2:24:07.279 How the funck? Should I know? I don't pay attention 2:24:07.280 --> 2:24:07.840 to that level of it. 2:24:07.959 --> 2:24:10.360 Come a long way, Luke. We're twenty five. This will 2:24:10.360 --> 2:24:12.200 be the twenty fifth episode. You know I've gotten a 2:24:12.200 --> 2:24:15.039 lot better mayhem question you So yeah, thank you? 2:24:15.600 --> 2:24:18.080 All right, very good. So go to MMA Fighting dot Com. 2:24:18.080 --> 2:24:21.360 As a reminder, Morningcombat dot Shop. Morningcombat dot Shop got 2:24:21.360 --> 2:24:23.800 about a week left on these boys and girls. The 2:24:23.959 --> 2:24:27.160 posters are sold out, apologize for that, but the shirts 2:24:27.240 --> 2:24:30.320 are still available, the Stranger Danger shirts, and you can 2:24:30.320 --> 2:24:33.560 get those until January thirty first at eleven fifty nine 2:24:33.560 --> 2:24:36.520 pm East Coast time. We are available on socials. I 2:24:36.560 --> 2:24:38.240 think you saw them a minute ago. We'll put them 2:24:38.280 --> 2:24:40.720 up one more time for morning combat, as well as 2:24:40.720 --> 2:24:42.400 me and Jed Mishu. 2:24:43.440 --> 2:24:44.000 And that's it. 2:24:44.080 --> 2:24:46.600 So Chuck sends his regards that he couldn't make it, 2:24:46.640 --> 2:24:49.000 but I think he'll be back. Well, he's still not home. 2:24:49.000 --> 2:24:50.560 I don't know when he's gonna get home, but hopefully 2:24:50.600 --> 2:24:52.560 he'll be home soon and we'll get him on air 2:24:52.600 --> 2:24:55.160 either this Friday or the following Monday. But Jet, thank 2:24:55.160 --> 2:24:56.920 you so much for filling in. We really appreciate a 2:24:56.959 --> 2:25:01.240 great job today. And yeah, stay tuned WMA Fighting dot 2:25:01.240 --> 2:25:03.280 com for more of Jed's work. Thank you guys so 2:25:03.320 --> 2:25:05.680 much for tuning in today. We really appreciate it. So 2:25:05.760 --> 2:25:06.440 for Long Island. 2:25:06.480 --> 2:25:09.360 Luke, that's Jedmashue. I'm Luke Thomas. We'll see you next time, 2:25:09.360 --> 2:25:11.880 and until then, may all of your gains be loyal