Speaker 1: Really redly dalks. We'll do the snow tip to tip.
Speaker 2: This is all life, this is our passion.
Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas. I'm this this morning combat.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome inside everyone, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 3: It is cold where I am. It is cold for
Speaker 3: about two hundred million Americans if I can be honest,
Speaker 3: but it is warm right here next to the MK fire.
Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me on this twenty
Speaker 3: sixth day of two thousand twenty six. We have a
Speaker 3: lot to get to a huge focus today on UFC
Speaker 3: three twenty four. Let me first bring in my co host.
Speaker 1: For the day.
Speaker 3: Now you might be like, wow, Chuck Minnenhall has really
Speaker 3: altered his appearance in short order. Old Charles got stuck
Speaker 3: in the winter storm. He's okay, everyone, don't worry. But
Speaker 3: we couldn't actually make it for him to do the
Speaker 3: show with us today as a consequence, so we called
Speaker 3: in reinforcements from MMA fighting dot Com.
Speaker 1: It's our friend and yours Jed michue Hi, Jed, how
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 2: I'm cold? But you know much better hair than Chuck
Speaker 2: minton Hall.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, by Virgine just having some Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have as good of a hat as
Speaker 2: he does, but you know, happy to step in. I
Speaker 2: was not anticipating this until yesterday, but hooking, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Neither were we.
Speaker 3: And then he was like, this ain't gonna work, and
Speaker 3: we're like, all right, we got to figure out what
Speaker 3: we're gonna do here, so Chuck, we'll be back. I
Speaker 3: guess he might be back Friday, but I suspect to
Speaker 3: be back next Monday. And all's well that ends, well, well,
Speaker 3: how cold is it in Atlanta, Georgia?
Speaker 2: It is currently twenty four and I'm cold for Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I was talking, we were I was talking about this
Speaker 2: with Long Island Luke before we went live. I think
Speaker 2: this is the coldest I've ever felt Atlanta because it
Speaker 2: was eighteen when I woke up, and the windshill had
Speaker 2: it feeling like five and I don't know that that's
Speaker 2: ever I've experienced that in my fifteen years here. But
Speaker 2: it hasn't iced much. There's not much much precipitation, which
Speaker 2: we anticipated. So when I got the call yesterday, I
Speaker 2: was like, I hope I can do it, but they're
Speaker 2: telling us powers not going to work and everything shut
Speaker 2: down knock on wood. It is a lovely day.
Speaker 3: Other than the temperature, yeah, I can count. I mean
Speaker 3: I lived in Georgia for how many years I don't know,
Speaker 3: from fifth grade to essentially yeah, so like not quite
Speaker 3: ten years. And I mean a little more of it
Speaker 3: if you count, like time home away from college. But
Speaker 3: I can count on my hands a number of times
Speaker 3: that reached below thirty, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 3: that's just an incredibly rare occurrence.
Speaker 2: Come on, it snows here. It's not like fifteen. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's snowed and it is thirty or it's twenty five.
Speaker 3: But we got it. We had freezing rain all day yesterday.
Speaker 3: We got about six inches of snow, so it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Too too bad.
Speaker 3: But but like's I can't stand it when it freezes
Speaker 3: and then the sun comes out and then it melts
Speaker 3: and then just refreezes everything, which is really quite annoying.
Speaker 3: But our producer got nearly two feet up there in
Speaker 3: central New Jersey, so it could always be work. But
Speaker 3: we have a lot to get Yeah, we have a
Speaker 3: lot to get to today, UFC three twenty four. So
Speaker 3: many different elements of this story to talk about. From
Speaker 3: the event itself to the individual fights really what it
Speaker 3: means for MMA as well as this new partnership. We're
Speaker 3: going to get to every element of that. Thumbs up
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Speaker 3: Before we get going to our topics, let's bringing the
Speaker 3: third member of the show. It's Long Island, Luke, Now,
Speaker 3: Long Island. What did you get out there? About a
Speaker 3: foot of snow up there.
Speaker 4: In the h up there in the Long Island parts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got about a snow not bad, shoveled it
Speaker 5: out last night.
Speaker 4: Good to go today.
Speaker 3: You know, let me ask a question, because I'm not
Speaker 3: a snow shoveling aficionado. By a stretch the imagination. What
Speaker 3: is the rule? Do you pre treat the concrete before
Speaker 3: you shovel or do you just wait till it's done
Speaker 3: and then you go shovel it?
Speaker 5: I mean a I have a gravel driveway, so there
Speaker 5: ain't no pre treating anything. But I just fucking shovel it, dude.
Speaker 5: The hardest part is the gravel. You know, half the
Speaker 5: time I'm picking up rocks with the snow, so I
Speaker 5: kind of just put it near the side of the
Speaker 5: driveway and then as it melts, you know, in the spring,
Speaker 5: I'm constantly picking out rocks out of my lawn and
Speaker 5: just throwing them back in the driveway.
Speaker 4: Obviously, it is what it is. Do what you gotta do.
Speaker 5: Fights this weekend though pretty hyped. Also, we're not gonna
Speaker 5: preview it today. We're gonna preview it on Friday, but
Speaker 5: we got another pay per view this weekend in Australia.
Speaker 4: Looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's right. Is your dad gonna watch now
Speaker 1: that there's no pay there there's no paywall.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have paramount.
Speaker 5: I could give him my log I'm gonna say no
Speaker 5: because unless it was on like Netflix, probably not.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 3: Before we get started, Jed. One quick question. One of
Speaker 3: the things that we often do, and I'm sure you've
Speaker 3: done it as well, is kind of use how many
Speaker 3: people in your non mma orbit all of.
Speaker 1: A sudden contest? Yes, all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: Randomly you get a text being like, Hey, what's up
Speaker 3: with the fight this weekend? This happens unfortunately, but it
Speaker 3: is true. This happens quite repeatedly. When Jake Paul fights.
Speaker 3: I get a lot of text messages from folks who
Speaker 3: ordinarily never contact me about this stuff. How many did
Speaker 3: you either get to before, during or after three twenty four?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Before, I mean it was a bunch before. And so
Speaker 2: like me and my kech and fighting have the scale
Speaker 2: of the mom test were like, if my mom is
Speaker 2: texting me, that's when I know something has reached a criticality, right,
Speaker 2: because my mom doesn't give a shit about this, But
Speaker 2: like my friends have a lower bar and they'll pop
Speaker 2: in occasionally for the biggest fights. And basically all of
Speaker 2: them were were hitting me up about it because it
Speaker 2: was on paramount. They had been watching football, there were
Speaker 2: ads for it, and the biggest factor, which maybe I
Speaker 2: knew intrinsically, but I didn't really totally understand until this
Speaker 2: past weekend is they all knew Patty. Every one of
Speaker 2: them was texting about Patty. It was not oh the
Speaker 2: UFC's on Paramount's like, oh Patty Pimblet, and almost exclusively
Speaker 2: it was yeah, I thought he was. He was. He's
Speaker 2: the barstool guy. They knew him from barstool, and many
Speaker 2: of them are like, doesn't he suck? Like how is
Speaker 2: he fighting for a title? I thought he was at
Speaker 2: barstool but not very good, And then I had to
Speaker 2: explain to them like he's kind of okay and whatever.
Speaker 2: But basically all of my friends and my various friend
Speaker 2: groups at least reached out and were like, Hey, what's
Speaker 2: what's going on? When does I got a lot on
Speaker 2: fight day? When is the main event? Because they didn't
Speaker 2: want to watch the rest of that shit, but they're like,
Speaker 2: when is Patty walking?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean I definitely had not a whole bunch, not
Speaker 3: as much as a Jake Paul fight, but I definitely
Speaker 3: had a few friends reach out who ordinarily never ask.
Speaker 3: And that again is kind of always the spidy sense
Speaker 3: that you get about three twenty four. With that in
Speaker 3: my mind, let's kick things off topic number one. So
Speaker 3: let's start with the main event. Now, we're going to
Speaker 3: get to as I mentioned, how we feel about all
Speaker 3: the ads on the broadcast and some other factors that
Speaker 3: you saw related to just what was watching the event. Like,
Speaker 3: let's put a pin in that. We'll come back to it.
Speaker 3: Let's actually start with the fights themselves. Justin Gai Chee
Speaker 3: becomes a two time interim UFC lightweight champion in what
Speaker 3: I would call a pretty one sided bout. You can
Speaker 3: make an argument for Patty certainly to win round three.
Speaker 3: Maybe you could put in there round five as well.
Speaker 3: He definitely showed some durability. We're gonna get to that
Speaker 3: as well. But let's focus on Justin Gaigee if we
Speaker 3: can here, Jed, my first question to you would be
Speaker 3: he wins by unanimous decision forty nine to forty six
Speaker 3: on two of the judges scorecards forty eight forty seven
Speaker 3: on just one. The bout was largely entertaining.
Speaker 1: However, I do.
Speaker 3: Think it'd be fair to say alit sloppy. Certainly folks
Speaker 3: were vocalizing some concerns in that direction. Nevertheless, most people
Speaker 3: felt it was pretty entertaining. Me included your biggest takeaway
Speaker 3: though from the five round battle is.
Speaker 2: What ooh, I've got two. I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what is the actual biggest because that's how words work.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with my biggest takeaway is that they
Speaker 2: did They did it. The UC got what they wanted right, Like,
Speaker 2: this is out of all the hullabaloo, all the talk,
Speaker 2: all the handling and pearl clutching and Ormandsrukan deserves to
Speaker 2: be fighting here and this one actually blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: none of that's wrong. But justin Gachee laid it out
Speaker 2: at the first pressers, like the reason I'm in this
Speaker 2: position is I am the most exciting fighter who's ever lived.
Speaker 2: That dude's pretty exciting too, And this is the first
Speaker 2: pay per view on Paramount. They want to put their
Speaker 2: best foot forward and I am that best foot And yeah, man,
Speaker 2: they did like that. It was that was That's a
Speaker 2: safe bet, but it's still paid off because we'll talk
Speaker 2: about the rest of the cars. You said kind of
Speaker 2: sucked And if the main event had been something different,
Speaker 2: if the main event had been Kyla Harrison versus a
Speaker 2: man in Nunez and that fight hadn't fallen apart, that
Speaker 2: fight can be boring. That fight could have looked like
Speaker 2: some of the other high level, not that entertaining fights
Speaker 2: because Patty and Pimblet or Patti Pimblet and Justin Gaichee
Speaker 2: was the main event, even if the rest of that
Speaker 2: card sucked, And like I said, a lot of my
Speaker 2: friends didn't tune in for the rest, They tuned in
Speaker 2: for the main event. Your first experience on Paramount Plus,
Speaker 2: the biggest thing, the thing you take away the most
Speaker 2: is that rocked. That just that ripped the shit man.
Speaker 2: And you've got Israel Adisnia coming out and saying that
Speaker 2: that is, you know, this generation's Bonnard Griffin. I think
Speaker 2: that's probably not true, but there's a kernel of truth there.
Speaker 2: The UFC wanted this, they bet on it, and they
Speaker 2: got paid off. Because even if the rest of this
Speaker 2: card was weak, main events slapped, there's.
Speaker 1: No denying I largely agree with that.
Speaker 3: I think the one setback and because the the UFC
Speaker 3: is playing with house money because they have they control
Speaker 3: both fighters. Right again, it's not rival promoters coming together
Speaker 3: to make a card so that in some sense they
Speaker 3: win either way. It does probably it's not great honestly
Speaker 3: for the UFC's future prospects that Patty didn't deliver here.
Speaker 3: Now they can't make him do that. They and I
Speaker 3: understand what everyone's going to say, is like they gave
Speaker 3: him every opportunity to be ready for this, for this moment,
Speaker 3: no question about it. I'm not suggesting otherwise. I'm simply saying,
Speaker 3: would it be better for their long term prospects for
Speaker 3: a guy at thirty one to do well versus a
Speaker 3: guy at thirty seven kind of almost going to be
Speaker 3: thirty eight on his way out the door. The answer
Speaker 3: is obviously to that point. Though, this is where I
Speaker 3: totally agree with your analysis here, which is that this
Speaker 3: was event when it was over that you were like, okay,
Speaker 3: so clearly more than normal. They were making a play
Speaker 3: for the casual fan. Casual fans always going to be
Speaker 3: a dominant factor in both matchmaking and event location and
Speaker 3: every other factor that goes into how they make money,
Speaker 3: but it was dialed up here. It seems to me
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Because we're going to talk about this.
Speaker 3: You could make a case that you watch the fifth
Speaker 3: and the sixth best guy at lightweight at best case
Speaker 3: scenario best case on Saturday. However, the fight. The fight delivered,
Speaker 3: I think not so much for the hardcore fan because
Speaker 3: of the nature of the sloppiness, but the nature of
Speaker 3: the back and forth.
Speaker 1: It was bloody.
Speaker 3: I got people were Gaichie was able to affect change,
Speaker 3: Patty had a couple of rallies and that third and
Speaker 3: again kind of in that fifth as well, like if
Speaker 3: you what you care about is drama in a fight
Speaker 3: and action in a fight, and you're not too concerned
Speaker 3: about whether this guy is number one versus number two?
Speaker 3: Just are they good enough? And is this fight entertaining enough?
Speaker 3: And are you appealing to crowds where that's really just
Speaker 3: the dominant factor. I don't know how this didn't deliver.
Speaker 3: I don't know how it didn't deliver, and anecdotally it
Speaker 3: appears that it did. Now the question, though, is related
Speaker 3: to this, How do you feel like the UFC is
Speaker 3: feeling about Gai Chee? About what what useful? What you
Speaker 3: tell is there now that they have to do something
Speaker 3: with this interim championship.
Speaker 2: They're feeling great. Look, if you were a hardcore fan
Speaker 2: and didn't care about that fight, I don't Maybe this
Speaker 2: is you, Luke, and so I hope you'll invite me back.
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, I was funny.
Speaker 3: I actually enjoyed the fight, and again I thought it
Speaker 3: was sloppy in parts. I think we all do it is.
Speaker 3: And then but I got off YouTube and then I
Speaker 3: get on Twitter and everyone was fucking killing it on
Speaker 3: my timeline and I'm like, I didn't allow.
Speaker 2: Joy, allow joy into your lives, you pretendily.
Speaker 1: So for me, I actually kind of enjoyed it. I
Speaker 1: really did.
Speaker 2: It was super fun, Like that's if if all, if
Speaker 2: you watch that fight and your takeaway is these aren't
Speaker 2: the best light weights in the world. This is live
Speaker 2: like no ship. Nobody thought they were coming into this.
Speaker 2: Allow things to be fun, embrace it because we've got
Speaker 2: like maybe three Justin Gayee fights left. That's he's the
Speaker 2: exciting fighter ever. That was fun as hell. And I
Speaker 2: think the UC doesn't care, right like we talked in
Speaker 2: the pregame preview that this is not a win win,
Speaker 2: right they they would have preferred that Pimblic got over here.
Speaker 2: But I think this ended up just fine for them
Speaker 2: because Pimblet did kind of get over he lost to
Speaker 2: gai Chie. But nobody left that fight being like, well
Speaker 2: not nobody. Iliot's purr In Armin serukin our haters all
Speaker 2: the way through, but most people left that were like, man,
Speaker 2: Patty Pimblet's tough as shit, like that's good on him,
Speaker 2: and so he got elevated a little bit. But the
Speaker 2: reality is, like, if he beat Gaichie, it is not
Speaker 2: like Paddy Pimblett is the future lightweight champion because Eliot
Speaker 2: Dupuri would spark his ass too, So it's just like
Speaker 2: they would have preferred it. But it's totally fine for
Speaker 2: Ilia to get to fight Geichie and have the most
Speaker 2: exciting fighter alive fight maybe the best fighter alive, and
Speaker 2: kill him. You know, there are some downstream effects of
Speaker 2: like when is I are going to fight a dude
Speaker 2: in the prime of his career. That would be nice,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't matter for them. I think mostly they're
Speaker 2: a okay with this because justin Gaigee is very popular
Speaker 2: in general, he's not as popular as Patty, and they
Speaker 2: get absolutely put this on the White House with an
Speaker 2: American champion if they'd like to, though maybe you don't
Speaker 2: want to see the lone American champion get sparked because
Speaker 2: that's seems pretty likely to what to be what happens
Speaker 2: when they do face off.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the fight, all right.
Speaker 3: So I thought I am too willing to bury the unks,
Speaker 3: which affected my pick on Friday, because I was like,
Speaker 3: I thought that Geechee was going to land on him,
Speaker 3: which he sure.
Speaker 1: Did, sure did, And I thought that it was going
Speaker 1: to happen.
Speaker 3: Was what you got in the first round, that Patty
Speaker 3: was going to get his shit rocked and then maybe
Speaker 3: start to rally. And then when he rallied a little
Speaker 3: bit in the third, I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: maybe something's gonna happen here. And then geyge closed that
Speaker 3: fucking door pretty quickly in the fourth. But I have
Speaker 3: to say, what did you make of Patty's game plan?
Speaker 3: Because I want to tell you what I feel. I
Speaker 3: see a lot of people saying, oh, why didn't he
Speaker 3: go for more takedowns? And if you look at the
Speaker 3: number jed, it's a five in total he attempted. He
Speaker 3: got none of them. One in the first, he attempted,
Speaker 3: one in the fourth, and then three in the fifth,
Speaker 3: and they all whiffed. Obviously, here's the problem for me, though,
Speaker 3: if you actually look at the number of takedowns Patty
Speaker 3: in the UFC overall, now including this bout is four
Speaker 3: for eighteen lifetime in UFC takedown attempts four for eighteen.
Speaker 2: The guys Ckenzy Durn numbers right, So.
Speaker 1: McKenzie derned numbers.
Speaker 3: And in fact, if you look at the four takedowns
Speaker 3: he has, one of them is real slick. It's a hoagoshi.
Speaker 3: He got to think of the Jordan Levit fight. But
Speaker 3: most of them come from someone else establishing contact and
Speaker 3: then him hitting a switch or finding some kind of
Speaker 3: back take to you know, a matt return, which will
Speaker 3: count as a takedown. You know, typically that's where it
Speaker 3: comes from. It doesn't come from being far away shooting
Speaker 3: and then getting a takedown. So I'm not gonna say
Speaker 3: he couldn't have done it more. Here's my takeaway from
Speaker 3: this bout, Jed, and I'd love to know if you
Speaker 3: agreed it was. What's interesting to me about this is
Speaker 3: both on the feet and on the ground, at least
Speaker 3: in so much as the wrestlingness concern, not the actual
Speaker 3: you know, he had mount or something. What's interesting to
Speaker 3: me is Gei Chee actually had to face Patty's best stuff.
Speaker 3: Patty gave him basically everything he had, and it wasn't
Speaker 3: even close to enough on the feet. He was landing
Speaker 3: his best weapons, the uppercut hook that he likes a
Speaker 3: lot of those front leg attacks, whether he's going to
Speaker 3: the leg, to the body or to the head, the
Speaker 3: jumping switch knees that he tries, the switch dance blitzes
Speaker 3: off of the back, and all of them to one
Speaker 3: degree or another, jed. They all kind of landed. I
Speaker 3: just mentioned the takedown component. Could there have been a
Speaker 3: little bit more sure, But in the fifth round he
Speaker 3: had double underhooks, tried for two takedowns on an outside
Speaker 3: trip as well as against the fence, and Gee Chee
Speaker 3: had a better idea about how to defend it than
Speaker 3: Chandler ever did. To me, the story of the fight
Speaker 3: is Patty showed every card he had and he still
Speaker 3: got wiped out. There is something to be said about
Speaker 3: Gai Chee's resilience with all the damage he's had that
Speaker 3: made that possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I got a lot of thoughts here. I
Speaker 2: gave you my biggest thought. My second biggest thought, right
Speaker 2: under the one I gave you that first section was
Speaker 2: I think people just are doomed to underestimate justin Gaechee
Speaker 2: the fighter, right, like everyone kind of agrees, or most
Speaker 2: people agrees, the most exciting fighter alive and probably ever,
Speaker 2: But like that underrates how good of a fighter he is,
Speaker 2: what he has accomplished over his career, the fact that
Speaker 2: he has been able to go through multiple different generations
Speaker 2: of fighters and still be near the top of the game,
Speaker 2: the fact that he basically did like a hard style
Speaker 2: switch midway through his career career, which is very rare
Speaker 2: and very difficult thing to do. And the fact that
Speaker 2: I do agree in large part with what you said,
Speaker 2: like that he came in very prepared, He faced most
Speaker 2: of Patty's best shit and it was fine. I do
Speaker 2: think there is a little bit also to some criticism
Speaker 2: of here, because I thought Patty had good tactics and
Speaker 2: some bad strategy, frankly, and we talked about it in
Speaker 2: the pregame preview, where there are a lot of things
Speaker 2: that Patty can do, and he did all those things.
Speaker 2: He did the upper cut, he was kicking at range,
Speaker 2: had a lot of stepping knees and a lot of
Speaker 2: just like attacks down the middle, which is pretty good
Speaker 2: against Geegee, who in general ducks his head a lot
Speaker 2: and is kind of there to be hit on those.
Speaker 2: The biggest issue I think Patty had. He should have
Speaker 2: shot more takedowns, but I'm with you that largely wouldn't
Speaker 2: have worked. The problem is he just kept backing up
Speaker 2: and if he needed to be putting Gaigee on the
Speaker 2: back foot, like you go, watch how Justin Gage loses,
Speaker 2: it's it's he's getting backed up, right, And instead Patty
Speaker 2: was against the fence the whole time. And I don't
Speaker 2: know how much of that was just because he got
Speaker 2: jawed pretty early and that sort of sent him into
Speaker 2: fight or flight mode. But every time he had success,
Speaker 2: he was the one advancing, and most of the fight
Speaker 2: he just simply wasn't doing doing that. And if you
Speaker 2: told me he was gonna be on the back football fight,
Speaker 2: I would have been like, it's gonna look at zachly
Speaker 2: like that, except I would have thought gag would have
Speaker 2: gotten him out of there. But yeah, man, Justin Gegie's
Speaker 2: just he's so much better of a fighter than people
Speaker 2: recognize because he's got a little bozo to him, and
Speaker 2: people underrate the the bozon is and it efficacy. But like, dude,
Speaker 2: that crackdown that he was rocking with the front headlock series.
Speaker 2: Thing like that was that just completely neutered Patty's ability
Speaker 2: to get in transition, because you're right, Patty gets his
Speaker 2: takedowns in scrambles and just was just like, all right,
Speaker 2: I'll hold this. You can't do anything from here until
Speaker 2: I decide we're done. He had a lot of good
Speaker 2: tactic like a lot of good little tactical things. And
Speaker 2: she's just a better fighter than Patty pimbletman.
Speaker 3: He's a significantly better fighter. I'm so glad you brought
Speaker 3: that up, because if you look at the takedown that
Speaker 3: Patty got on Chandler, he goes for a single leg
Speaker 3: and then Chandler tries to turn and bail and get away,
Speaker 3: and then then allows Patty to hold the leg and
Speaker 3: then follow and get the body lock, which he then
Speaker 3: hit a matt return on and then he took the
Speaker 3: back right, so they was at the beginning of the end.
Speaker 3: Was set up from that moment, whereas Geigee was like,
Speaker 3: no down, blocking, underhooking, spraw hard, sprawling, right, not even
Speaker 3: gonna let you get I'm not even gonna let you
Speaker 3: get close to wrapping me up in any capacity. And
Speaker 3: to the extent we are wrapped up. It's gonna be
Speaker 3: on my terms, not yours. I totally agree on the
Speaker 3: backing up part, dude. The tape has been clear on this,
Speaker 3: and I did not. This part was not surprising. I
Speaker 3: was like, I knew he was gonna get backed up
Speaker 3: by Geiegee, in part because a Geigie had said, you know,
Speaker 3: this is about champions moving forward. And also Patty's got
Speaker 3: a little Tyrann Woodley in him where the fight starts
Speaker 3: saying whoop, he just backs up right away and then
Speaker 3: sometimes he makes it work and sometimes he in this
Speaker 3: case doesn't. But I was like, all right, well, what
Speaker 3: weapons is he gonna use to keep Geechee at range?
Speaker 3: And you know, some of that worked, but not nearly enough.
Speaker 1: Obviously.
Speaker 3: What's interesting to me is do he landed on Geichee
Speaker 3: a lot? And it didn't really do shit?
Speaker 2: Statistically landed more mikes and gai Chie did she did?
Speaker 3: And then I forget too, like it's like it's like, bro,
Speaker 3: he you gave gei Chee not just all the weapons,
Speaker 3: like the different kinds of weapons, but like it wasn't
Speaker 3: like Geechee had to like, yes, some of them were blocked.
Speaker 3: Much of that landed clean and it didn't do fuck
Speaker 3: all to him. And it's like, do we have to
Speaker 3: have a conversation about whether Patty's obviously got some stoppage
Speaker 3: wins via strikes as UFC debut for example, came that way.
Speaker 1: And you know, he was beating the shit on Michael Chandler.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he can't hurt people, but there and
Speaker 3: the Geichee is still pretty tough. There is a question
Speaker 3: about what kind of pop he has, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, he obviously does not have like natural power
Speaker 2: that is not part of him.
Speaker 3: But like the mechanics on some of these punches in
Speaker 3: all he was trying to stab him with overhand stab
Speaker 3: You're never.
Speaker 2: Gonna get like if you don't naturally have power and
Speaker 2: your mechanics are bad, it's gonna be super like this
Speaker 2: is all working against you. But like, also, yeah, when
Speaker 2: he beat the shit ounder Michael Chandler, he can hit
Speaker 2: like he has some He's a big dude, He's strong enough.
Speaker 2: The difference is he's beating the shit uper Michael Chandler
Speaker 2: from a dominant position where he has leverage, and I
Speaker 2: never thought if he is strictly backing up, it's just
Speaker 2: way harder to hit somebody hard when your back is
Speaker 2: against the fence, when the space is taken away from you.
Speaker 2: And Justin Gaichie also maybe he hurt Justin at points.
Speaker 2: I do think one of the fascinating parts of Justin
Speaker 2: Gaigie's like uber in general, it's really hard for me
Speaker 2: to know when he's hurt because he's so wobbly, Like
Speaker 2: in general, he's he's sort of constantly he got a
Speaker 2: little bit of that DDP where like, okay, he's breathing heavy,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean he's tired. That's just how he
Speaker 2: works in life. And so maybe he hurt him at
Speaker 2: a few points in time, but like, yeah, he he's
Speaker 2: he has to either get better at striking, which seems
Speaker 2: like boxing, not striking, because he's had a good kicks,
Speaker 2: which seems like a tall, tall order thirty one years old.
Speaker 2: The cake sort of feels baked, or he needs to
Speaker 2: shift up like thematically how he's going about it, because
Speaker 2: he's never going to hurt people like that.
Speaker 3: Let's take a look at this picture of Patty's face.
Speaker 3: This is what he looked like at the end of
Speaker 3: the fight. I tell you what I did learn this
Speaker 3: Patty's got a fucking chin, bro, I mean, whatever else
Speaker 3: you want to say about him, Geechee was landing on
Speaker 3: this fool and he you know, I was amazed at
Speaker 3: how well he was able to take the punches relatively speaking.
Speaker 2: Dude, it is not just that he's landing on this fool.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Jack Slack who pointed this out on
Speaker 2: his post podcast or whatever. Justin Gaechee was landing shots
Speaker 2: against like and Justin Gaigie one of the harder hitters
Speaker 2: of this weight class, like ever, right, just this pure power.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a little older, maybe he had staff, like,
Speaker 2: maybe he didn't have as much pop, but he was
Speaker 2: not just hitting Patty clean. He was hitting Patty clean
Speaker 2: when Patty's like on one foot and like not in
Speaker 2: a good position to take the strikes, and he is
Speaker 2: just like wearing it. And yeah, Patty got dropped. Patty.
Speaker 2: They credited Gaigie with two knockdowns, which I think is ludicrous.
Speaker 2: Like I think he dropped him like five times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like the fact that he was able to just
Speaker 2: work through like getting jawed in the most awkward positions.
Speaker 2: Hell of a chin man, like you cannot cannot question
Speaker 2: the man's durability and heart.
Speaker 1: Last thing on Patty for just a moment. Do you
Speaker 1: to me this.
Speaker 3: I'm not in any way saying it's the same as
Speaker 3: the five round beating basically, basically that Gegee put on
Speaker 3: Tony Ferguson.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's the same. It's not. The damage
Speaker 1: was not as much. That was a especially brutal beating.
Speaker 3: However, do you worry about the amount of damage Patty
Speaker 3: took in this fight in terms of his chances, Maybe
Speaker 3: not all the way for his long term but for
Speaker 3: his next.
Speaker 2: Fight, No, I will say, because I have the stats up.
Speaker 2: I've been kind of looking at him this morning. Geechee
Speaker 2: landed one more significant strike per UFC stats against Patty
Speaker 2: than he did against Tony. Of course, he didn't get
Speaker 2: any knockdowns against Tony, so statistically it was a worse beating.
Speaker 2: But I'm with you, he ended Tony Ferguson's career was
Speaker 2: pretty tough. I'm not that concerned about Patty because I
Speaker 2: Patty's I think, is still young enough where you can
Speaker 2: take a beating. But historically, fighting justin Geegee has been
Speaker 2: bad for your long term health in this sport, and
Speaker 2: so it is something to look at moving forward. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure though that we'll know right because of the
Speaker 2: unique Patty pimbletonness of this all. Because if he goes
Speaker 2: out and he fights let's say, Charles Oliver loses to
Speaker 2: Max Holloway, Patty fights Charles and Charles beats him, We're
Speaker 2: not going to be like, oh, his chin is cracked.
Speaker 2: He can't like, yeah, Patty's not very good will be
Speaker 2: I think the dominant storyline, but it is something to
Speaker 2: watch out for because like, you don't have that many
Speaker 2: of those in you, man, There's just not that many
Speaker 2: people can take that sort of a beating that many times.
Speaker 2: That's really the first one that I can I'm clocking
Speaker 2: for Patty, but he took a lot of damage.
Speaker 3: Bro, What does it mean that Gaeygee is a two
Speaker 3: time interim champion?
Speaker 2: I think it's awesome. Frankly, it doesn't mean like, it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean nothing. It doesn't mean the world. But like
Speaker 2: he is, in my estimation, the most accomplished UFC fighter
Speaker 2: of all time to never win an undisputed belt because
Speaker 2: it's a two time interim champion. Even if this one
Speaker 2: is way more suspect than the first one, was right
Speaker 2: BMF champion, and like there's an argument that not that
Speaker 2: he would be the best lightweight in the world, but
Speaker 2: that Iliotaporio should not currently have a belt right now,
Speaker 2: and so like it could be an undisputed title. It
Speaker 2: would be he wouldn't be the best lie in the world,
Speaker 2: but he could have it. And so it's I think
Speaker 2: it feels very appropriate for a fighter like Justin Gagee,
Speaker 2: who's maybe never been the best guy in the world,
Speaker 2: but he was. He has been right there for a
Speaker 2: very long time to add another, you know, trophy to
Speaker 2: the to the case.
Speaker 1: I have struggled with this one.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what it means pardon me again, in
Speaker 3: part because Justin faced both Max and Charles Lavera and
Speaker 3: got smoked by both of them, you know, and it's like,
Speaker 3: now he's holding an interim title. What does it mean
Speaker 3: to be a two time interim champion. I'm not really
Speaker 3: sure because it's not really a number one I mean,
Speaker 3: it ends up being a number one contender fight as
Speaker 3: a consequence, but but you know, it's not really a
Speaker 3: number one contenders fight.
Speaker 1: So I have a little bit of difficulty with it.
Speaker 3: But it did remind me and I said this on
Speaker 3: Saturday night, and again people poop poo in this performance.
Speaker 3: Justin didn't look to me like, of course prime Justin
Speaker 3: not only you could definitely see that there was a
Speaker 3: little bit of a slowing down. At the same time,
Speaker 3: people are like, oh, he's washed. I don't think he's
Speaker 3: actually fully washed. I don't really believe that. And more
Speaker 3: to the point, the fact that a guy like this,
Speaker 3: after all the miles he's been put on him, after
Speaker 3: all the I mean even in fights where he's won,
Speaker 3: he's had his fucking brain rattled, you know, and then
Speaker 3: to still be out here and then dunk in on
Speaker 3: what the best thirty one year old that basically the
Speaker 3: division has to offer just kind of speaks to this
Speaker 3: generation of lightweight's him, the poirier'sbeams, the Connors for a
Speaker 3: moment anyway, and the RDAs and the Tony Ferguson's like
Speaker 3: that class. I honestly, I really as good as there
Speaker 3: are some other lightweights out there. I really think that
Speaker 3: this class is not going to be replaced anytime soon.
Speaker 3: If ever, it was very very special, and you're looking
Speaker 3: at one of the last kind of horsemen of that
Speaker 3: movement still doing some to me pretty interesting and really
Speaker 3: capable stuff. Dude.
Speaker 2: I remember when you first pitch that whatever is like,
Speaker 2: look at these fucking old war horses still just turning back.
Speaker 2: And I was like three years later it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: gay chee be a philpasive who's supposed to be the future? Hey,
Speaker 2: just be Patty, who's supposed to be the future. Like
Speaker 2: it's just like, Okay, it's incredible, like what this little
Speaker 2: class of badasses has done. And I'm really happy to
Speaker 2: have like not just lived through it, but like this
Speaker 2: has been the prime of my fandom and in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways to have been fully not like, oh
Speaker 2: this happened when I was just learning about MMA. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I know this and it rocks. Man.
Speaker 3: Let's get to the people who even kind of dancing
Speaker 3: around this whole time, which is who I think are.
Speaker 1: The two best lightweights in the world. Let's start with, uh,
Speaker 1: you know what, Let's start with.
Speaker 3: The champion himself. Here's a tweet from Eliot Toporia two
Speaker 3: I'm guessing to Patty obviously quote, Hey, little sausage, the
Speaker 3: only thing you had to do was be the thirty
Speaker 3: eight year old guy. By the way, I you can
Speaker 3: just if you say that in Taporia's voice, all you
Speaker 3: have to do is just beat a thirty eight like
Speaker 3: any like He's like, you're comparing him to like any
Speaker 3: guy off the street who happens to be thirty eight.
Speaker 3: Like the disdane with which he is treating Geegee is remarkable.
Speaker 3: He says, you just lost the biggest paycheck of your life.
Speaker 3: You were going to get rich if you won. Justin
Speaker 3: all I can say is congratulations, and I'd like to
Speaker 3: tell you to get ready, but you're screwed no matter
Speaker 3: what I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1: Iliot Taporia from the Top Rope. I love this message.
Speaker 2: I'm a okay. I have a lot of issues with
Speaker 2: basically everything Ilia Taporia has said over the last two years,
Speaker 2: not this one, like this is exactly right, Like you
Speaker 2: got beef with that dude, and you can dunk on
Speaker 2: on that dude like that is a okay thing to do.
Speaker 2: You know. I do think he also lost the biggest
Speaker 2: pain day of his life. I think it would it's
Speaker 2: better for his career if he beats Patty than Geigee.
Speaker 2: But like it is, I totally understand dunking on him
Speaker 2: right now. And yeah, I mean the most likely outcome
Speaker 2: is that he blows the doors off Justin Kichi.
Speaker 1: I think to Poria, well, okay, let's be clear about this.
Speaker 3: And I said this a long time ago when people
Speaker 3: were like, oh, what about Patty versus Ilia? And I
Speaker 3: was like, brother, I mean, if you wanted to end
Speaker 3: Patty's career, you set him up with Ilia would turn
Speaker 3: him into.
Speaker 1: Ash, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I mean, just absolutely Medusa him turn him into fucking
Speaker 3: stone with what he would do. I think Gates you
Speaker 3: would be a little bit more competitive and certainly put
Speaker 3: up more of a fight, But I don't think his
Speaker 3: chancers are great either, which then brings us to a
Speaker 3: more interesting consideration, namely, what about Arminsar Yukim the kind
Speaker 3: of odd man out here who one way or the
Speaker 3: other probably should have been in this bout. He had
Speaker 3: something to say as well, here's this week quote. That's
Speaker 3: what happens when you're gifted opportunities and pushed up the
Speaker 3: rankings artificially, a completely undeserved title shot for Patty. Congratulations
Speaker 3: to Justin. He showed real heart and unel like others.
Speaker 3: He'll step up and take the fight with me in respect.
Speaker 1: So what do you make of this.
Speaker 3: It is obvious that these two guys are the best
Speaker 3: lightweights in the world, but in terms of how you
Speaker 3: feel like their stock or their appearance or their value
Speaker 3: shakes out sort it for.
Speaker 2: Me, dude, I just put it in our private chat.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite photos of the evening. It is
Speaker 2: Arman serukin immediately after the main event. Yeah, look at
Speaker 2: Look at how mad fucking dude.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever seen a dude more
Speaker 2: bitter about what just has Like. You can see the
Speaker 2: thought in his head of like, I would fucking kill
Speaker 2: these dudes. I would put them both back to back
Speaker 2: and I would I would finish them inside of five.
Speaker 2: He's furious about what has gone on here, and it
Speaker 2: sucks for him. Man, I think he's the best lightweight
Speaker 2: on earth. He's certainly the lightweight on earth who has
Speaker 2: done the most right, Like he has consistently been beating
Speaker 2: top opposition. Ilia has one sensational win, but he's got
Speaker 2: one win lightweight. And Yeah, under any normal circumstances, he
Speaker 2: would have gone in there. He would have fought.
Speaker 4: He would have.
Speaker 2: I would bet almost anything in the world that he
Speaker 2: would have beaten either Man and now he like hopefully
Speaker 2: best case scenario, gets to fight for the title at
Speaker 2: the end of this year. But Long Island Loop, maybe
Speaker 2: you can confirm this or either of you if you remember.
Speaker 2: I think I recall Dana saying Armand's gonna have to
Speaker 2: fight again at the post presser, which like he'll beat
Speaker 2: whoever he fights. But bro, that sucks like this. It
Speaker 2: just he's done more than enough to get his day
Speaker 2: in court. And I think he's the best lightwood on earth,
Speaker 2: and he might not get to prove that until next year,
Speaker 2: and he may never get to fight Ilia, because I
Speaker 2: do not think Ilia Taporia is trying to fight this
Speaker 2: man at all, and so he even when even if
Speaker 2: he does it, there will be people who will be like, well,
Speaker 2: you're the best of the rest because Ilia is not here.
Speaker 3: DK early odds are friends here at draft Kings Taporia
Speaker 3: minus four fifty five, gai Chi plus three fifty and
Speaker 3: Gaiche's defense. He was the underdog from a betting standpoint
Speaker 3: heading into this one, so I know some folks made
Speaker 3: some good money with this one. This one, however, I mean,
Speaker 3: I love again. I cannot respect what Geigee has done
Speaker 3: and that generation of lightweights have done, but dude, Taporia
Speaker 3: is gonna fucking smash him. How would a Gaichie versus
Speaker 3: I will tell you a Gaichie Armand fight is interesting
Speaker 3: to me because Gaichi would at least put up some
Speaker 3: resistance on the takedown, right. I mean, I think eventually
Speaker 3: Arman would get it, But the question is what kind
Speaker 3: of tax he's gonna have to pay before that happens.
Speaker 3: To me, it's a Pooria versus Geche is less interesting
Speaker 3: because I think eventually Taporia is just gonna electrocute him.
Speaker 3: But the Arman one, to me, he's gonna have to
Speaker 3: work for it. And for that reason, I kind of
Speaker 3: like that scrap a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I mean, by the smallest of margins, do I think
Speaker 2: it's more competitive?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Like I Armand will just have beibe Geichie
Speaker 2: and like he will just make Gaichie walk backwards constantly
Speaker 2: and try and circle and eventually he'll get it. Like
Speaker 2: once we were all confident that if Patty got Geichie down,
Speaker 2: it was Curtains. I'm like, this is the difference between
Speaker 2: Armand and Patty is significant. And Armand can wrestle his
Speaker 2: ass off. Go ask Lance Palmers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's got no subs. Okay, he doesn't need
Speaker 3: talking about this. I know he subbed Dan Hooker, Okay,
Speaker 3: armand did. But in general, I'm not convinced that like,
Speaker 3: oh he gets the back, he's some kind of threat
Speaker 3: from there. I'm I'm less convinced by that.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty convinced that he would realll me that he
Speaker 2: would dummy Gaichee once he got to the floor. I
Speaker 2: do think Gochie will make it harder to get to
Speaker 2: the floor, but like I maybe it is the Homer
Speaker 2: in me. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe that
Speaker 2: Eli Taporia like logically, is going to beat Justin Gaichie.
Speaker 2: I was incredibly confident that javel Fhaziv would just be
Speaker 2: a better striker than Justin Gaichie. And they have fought
Speaker 2: for thirty minutes and mostly gey Chee's tuned him up.
Speaker 2: Geechie has tools on the feet and like the gap there,
Speaker 2: I think is the athleticism the age. It is certainly enough,
Speaker 2: but like I'm, I at least have some level of
Speaker 2: interest in seeing how that shakes out, because Geechee has
Speaker 2: historically proven me wrong, specifically with fights, and you know,
Speaker 2: this is a million years old and you shouldn't put
Speaker 2: too much stock into it. But if Jie Herbert can
Speaker 2: buzz you, I strongly suspect Justin Geigee at least has
Speaker 2: the potential to do that. So I don't think either
Speaker 2: fight is competitive realistically, like logical brain Jed, but lizard
Speaker 2: Jed thinks that Gegee has a better chance against the
Speaker 2: Poria than it does against Armon.
Speaker 3: With that in mind, let's now move to the co
Speaker 3: main event, topic number two. So he had to work
Speaker 3: for it here a little bit, but he got it done.
Speaker 3: Sean O'Malley wins a unanimous decision defeating Song You Dong. Now,
Speaker 3: he started out with a decent first round Song A
Speaker 3: Doong looked like he might have been mounting what was
Speaker 3: going to be a winning performance by the end of
Speaker 3: that second. But to me, the interesting factor here is
Speaker 3: the way which O'Malley rescued himself in the third. With
Speaker 3: that in mind, is the story of the fight. Jed
Speaker 3: that O'Malley did rally in that third and had the
Speaker 3: best round of the three, of any of the rounds
Speaker 3: that either of them had in an impressive showing, or
Speaker 3: did the fact that he had to rally in the
Speaker 3: third show that he's declined.
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't think Shawn O'Malley has declined. I don't
Speaker 2: really think the story is either like, oh, look, Sean
Speaker 2: rallied so much as my big takeaway and this fight was,
Speaker 2: oh Sean didn't. He was slow to start. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: because he's been doing five rounders so much, because once
Speaker 2: he got up to speed, like, once he got going,
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, that's exactly that Shawn O'Malley. I
Speaker 2: anticipated it, just he didn't get going for a while.
Speaker 2: And I think the most logical explanation is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: he just he came in a little cold because he's
Speaker 2: not used, like he just hasn't done this in a while.
Speaker 2: And to some extent, also, Song you Do came out hot,
Speaker 2: like he knew he needed to set a tone early.
Speaker 2: He tried. He doesn't have that many tools, so that's
Speaker 2: pretty tough for song. But like he he made it
Speaker 2: a fight early, and then Sean finally just you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes it takes a little while to get the engine going. Luke,
Speaker 2: you know, once he did.
Speaker 3: Nah, but see here's why. No, Okay, But the thing is,
Speaker 3: if I hadn't seen Tim Welch be like apoplectic in
Speaker 3: the fucking corner between the second and third, and he
Speaker 3: wasn't like shouting him down.
Speaker 1: But he was like, yo, like you gotta go, this
Speaker 1: is the moment.
Speaker 3: You know, fast, you gotta be long, you gotta be quick,
Speaker 3: you gotta be first, best five minutes, let's go, Like
Speaker 3: he was really trying to. I'm not putting it on
Speaker 3: par with the between the fourth and fifth round of
Speaker 3: the Kamara Usbin lee On Edwards rematch, like you know,
Speaker 3: you gotta go, kid, But I am saying that like
Speaker 3: they were trying to jolt this dude back to being awake.
Speaker 3: And I can buy that the three rest around from
Speaker 3: the five rounds, you know, clearly can be an adjustment
Speaker 3: for him. But I don't know, man, I'm a little
Speaker 3: bit of the belief that like two losses in a row,
Speaker 3: he's he's been kind of talking I'm not saying in
Speaker 3: a non committal way about his career, but it's not
Speaker 3: it was we talked about the big opportunity, but he's
Speaker 3: been a little bit like lost in the sauce about
Speaker 3: what this all.
Speaker 1: Kind of means. I think he was feeling a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think it took him a while to like to
Speaker 3: not just yes, get going obviously, but to kind of
Speaker 3: recognize like even said, for example, right, he even said.
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to be way, way faster.
Speaker 3: I think he had built up in his mind the
Speaker 3: difficulty of the moment to a little bit and was
Speaker 3: a little bit feeling it. And it was only after
Speaker 3: he kind of calmed down that he was able to
Speaker 3: let you know, and then he got a coach in
Speaker 3: his ear to kind of get going. I'm not to
Speaker 3: me like the five to three round three I absolutely
Speaker 3: think is a factor, but I'm not sure if it's
Speaker 3: the dominant one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that could totally be it, because
Speaker 2: this was he probably had the most pressure of any
Speaker 2: fighter on him, just because like with the win, and
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that in the second maybe he's fighting
Speaker 2: for a belt. With the loss, his career is in
Speaker 2: full blown free fall at that point in time, like
Speaker 2: and so maybe that's it. Maybe he just felt a
Speaker 2: little bit of the press. Sure, but he's never been
Speaker 2: like a super fast starter anyway. The second round, the
Speaker 2: first round, you know, kind of made sense. The second
Speaker 2: round was when I was like, oh, Sean O'Malley might
Speaker 2: be losing and then he just fought normally in the
Speaker 2: third round, and he tuned him up. So I don't
Speaker 2: know what It's hard for me to draw like major
Speaker 2: conclusions about anything other than like, Seanamalley is still one
Speaker 2: of the five best dudes in this weight class. Uh
Speaker 2: and Song of dong Is seems to have hit like
Speaker 2: seems to have a very clearly defined ceiling.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Sonydall for a second. We'll circle back
Speaker 3: to Sean Omalley. But you brought it up, and I
Speaker 3: really wanted to get to it. Here's a guy who
Speaker 3: you keep they keep calling him up to the majors,
Speaker 3: and then he can't. He can't close the show on
Speaker 3: the hill, you know what I mean. They bring him
Speaker 3: up to fight San Haagen doesn't go his way. I
Speaker 3: know he does have a win over Shudo, but we
Speaker 3: all know that there was obviously, you know, a fair
Speaker 3: amount of controversy related to how that one end didn't
Speaker 3: they call him up here, and there's been some other
Speaker 3: ones too. He does have the winner for Marlon Vera,
Speaker 3: but that was from a long time ago. He obviously
Speaker 3: is good. He is still young, as you indicate in
Speaker 3: that first round. The power and like the thudding nature
Speaker 3: what he was throwing. He was trying to set a
Speaker 3: physical tone. He can do stuff, but jed, why can't
Speaker 3: he seem to graduate to the next level?
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't. I think the answer is he doesn't
Speaker 2: have that many tools, right, like he he just had
Speaker 2: doesn't there's not a depth to his game. Correct me
Speaker 2: if you think I'm wrong here, But like, he's mostly
Speaker 2: doing the same stuff and he's very athletic, his hands
Speaker 2: are quite fast, and you know, he can do a
Speaker 2: little bit of everything, but he doesn't have any superpower
Speaker 2: to rely on. You know, he doesn't have a weapon
Speaker 2: or two to build a game around, and so he
Speaker 2: just kind of can't get it. Because it's not just
Speaker 2: that he has been given steps up to the majors.
Speaker 2: He has three times been called up to the big
Speaker 2: leagues on the best terms possible guys on big losing streaks,
Speaker 2: and he has not pulled it off in any of them.
Speaker 2: He's still only twenty eight, so like, hard to say
Speaker 2: he's never going to get there, But like, how many
Speaker 2: bites at the apple do you get before? It's just like,
Speaker 2: this is who you are, and there's nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 2: but you're a top ten guy, you're not a top
Speaker 2: five guy.
Speaker 1: I unfortunately agree.
Speaker 3: Like if you just compare him to like again and
Speaker 3: you could say, oh, well, this is the best guy
Speaker 3: in the division. Fine, but that's a good benchmark. What
Speaker 3: does it look like when you're really good? Take someone
Speaker 3: like pyotor Yan. Think about all the things that fucking
Speaker 3: guy can do. The takedowns, the scrambling. He doesn't have
Speaker 3: the most significant submission threat, but I bet that's better
Speaker 3: than we think too. And then on the feet, the
Speaker 3: number of tools and how he blends it all together.
Speaker 3: And then you look at songa Doong and it's like,
Speaker 3: obviously he can do stuff, but it's just a very
Speaker 3: diet version of that. Like even if he had won
Speaker 3: this fight, they were like really hype behind getting a
Speaker 3: Chinese guy in a title fight, which again was part
Speaker 3: of matchmaking. If you would be able to surf that opportunity, dude,
Speaker 3: Yan would fucking wash this guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he can do vastly more.
Speaker 3: He can take the fight to places that that that
Speaker 3: song has simply no way to follow. And so it's
Speaker 3: like I want for him to turn that corner and
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to.
Speaker 3: Rule it out, but unless he skill builds in some
Speaker 3: kind of way more than just like defensively.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say.
Speaker 3: This is a sportman, We're gonna talk about some other
Speaker 3: fighters on this car where it's gonna be relevant. Everyone
Speaker 3: knows offense is more important than defense, but in MMA,
Speaker 3: it's like, dude, this is a lot more important. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you don't have good defense, you also won't win
Speaker 3: a title. But you need to make sure you can
Speaker 3: do a bunch of stuff you and have an ace
Speaker 3: in the hole too. It's a tough business. But I
Speaker 3: just don't feel like what Song's calling card. He's got
Speaker 3: a huge punch, he's athletic, he's got pretty good takedown
Speaker 3: defence for the most part.
Speaker 2: I don't This is gonna be mean, and I'm okay
Speaker 2: with that. I if I was a fighter of talent
Speaker 2: and means if I and I'm not, If you can't
Speaker 2: look at this and understand that that's not correct, I
Speaker 2: don't know what to tell you. If I was somebody
Speaker 2: still young with a future in this sport, I don't
Speaker 2: know what would get me there, but it I just
Speaker 2: would never go to Team Alpha male I.
Speaker 1: Who who is strong?
Speaker 2: I mean they are better than many gems. But if
Speaker 2: you're trying to ascend, like what who's who's the fighter
Speaker 2: that is? Like Cody Garbrand is the best fighter Team
Speaker 2: Alpha Male has produced, not Dwayn Ludwig right, like and
Speaker 2: do you do you want to be where Cody's current
Speaker 2: career is, Like it's I know, I don't think he
Speaker 2: trains there anymore, but like I how is he gonna
Speaker 2: get those tools when nobody at Team Alpha Male has
Speaker 2: like like superior tools. The one trick they had is guillotines,
Speaker 2: and that doesn't seem to be a case like happening anymore.
Speaker 2: Like he if I was in you Doong's corner, I'm
Speaker 2: sure they are nice and they are a professional team,
Speaker 2: but like, man, you got to go somewhere else to
Speaker 2: get something going because this just isn't working. He's he's
Speaker 2: not developing. He's the same dude. And that dude is good,
Speaker 2: it's a top ten dude. But if you have title aspirations,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the place you're going to get
Speaker 2: them over the hump.
Speaker 3: So, thinking about what's next for Sean O'Malley, what do
Speaker 3: you think the UFC is going to do? There have
Speaker 3: been basically two different directions that have been proposed. One is,
Speaker 3: you could at this point give him a title shot. Again,
Speaker 3: I didn't think the fight was bad by any stretch.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a scintillating performance until the end of the third,
Speaker 3: but otherwise a competent one and certainly a deserving one
Speaker 3: for advancement.
Speaker 1: Could you go to title shot route? You could.
Speaker 3: That's one direction. The other one that I keep seeing
Speaker 3: pop up is about versus him, versus Corey Sandhagen. Could
Speaker 3: be on the White House, could be somewhere else for
Speaker 3: Jet If you get to play matchmaker four a day,
Speaker 3: how do you sort the top of this division? Rob's
Speaker 3: and the waiting in the wings. We'll talk about Umar
Speaker 3: a little bit later. And now you've got Sean O'Malley.
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 2: Dude? If I get the sort, we're gonna have the
Speaker 2: most fun. I don't think this is what will happen,
Speaker 2: But like looking at that fight, I think Sean O'Malley
Speaker 2: did a miracle on Saturday, which is he was ninety
Speaker 2: five percent to fight for the bantamway title, and I
Speaker 2: think that performance was the five percent. Oh, actually, never mind,
Speaker 2: We're just gonna do more and pyoder again. Uh, he's
Speaker 2: gonna have to fight again. I think they'll go Santagan.
Speaker 2: But if I'm in charge, this is the easiest thing
Speaker 2: in the world. Hey, when Morab and pyoder Yan fight
Speaker 2: for the belt on whatever card, that's going to be
Speaker 2: the feature about or the five round Comaine five rounds
Speaker 2: for sure. Shannamalley versus Umar Amerca Medov Stone Cold title eliminator,
Speaker 2: no questions asked. Do it it is our you know
Speaker 2: it is off brand, great value discount version of Connor
Speaker 2: Habib and the winner. Like, honestly, coming off that fight,
Speaker 2: Sean can maybe even feel like he can beat Umar,
Speaker 2: not his fight, coming off Umar's fight, and if Umar
Speaker 2: gets it, then Umar's fighting again like that. This seems
Speaker 2: like the obvious answer that they will not in any.
Speaker 3: Way do Loyer and Luke has a theory on this.
Speaker 3: What is your theory about which way will go?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 5: Like Jed just said, they're not gonna put Sean against Umar,
Speaker 5: even though that's mericratically whatever the fucking word is, what, Yeah,
Speaker 5: what you should do?
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna do O'Malley yan too.
Speaker 5: I'm even thinking possibly at the White House, and then
Speaker 5: I think, just on a random fight night, you do
Speaker 5: Morobar to winner of that is the rightful number one bro.
Speaker 4: You can't do that.
Speaker 5: It would be fucked up. And you know, I love Marab.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I want I don't want this to happen.
Speaker 5: I'm just I feel like that's how the UFC is
Speaker 5: gonna go. It's just my theory.
Speaker 2: I don't I do not believe. I can't believe they
Speaker 2: would make Morob fightar.
Speaker 3: I such, but he you know, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 3: one of these guys who's like, oh, if you lose convincingly,
Speaker 3: you should get a rematch. But I'll make an exception
Speaker 3: in this case, given what Morob has done.
Speaker 2: I may I think all immediate rematches are awful and
Speaker 2: should never happen. The lone the two caveats being stone
Speaker 2: called robbery and like it has to be Stone called
Speaker 2: it can't be competitive, and the other is trilogy fight.
Speaker 2: They split the two one hundred percent, you should run
Speaker 2: that a third time. There's no no doubt in my
Speaker 2: mind that's what should happen. I do think that is
Speaker 2: likely to happen now. And if that's gonna happen, Like,
Speaker 2: why have Sean fight Corey and then if like if
Speaker 2: Corey wins, then I guess you're just defaulting it to Umar.
Speaker 2: And if Sewan wins, he gets it, and then Umar's
Speaker 2: just for an arm and limbo, Like just have those
Speaker 2: two dudes fight. Sean can beat Umar. I don't think
Speaker 2: he will, but he can beat him. Have him fight him.
Speaker 2: Nobody thought he'd beat Piotianny did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say this though, just getting back to
Speaker 3: Sean romalley as we wrap up on this topic here.
Speaker 3: To me, what was interesting was I definitely there was
Speaker 3: a nice crowd pop for Sean O'Malley. I think he
Speaker 3: did enough of a job as we talked about for advancement.
Speaker 1: He did what he was supposed to do.
Speaker 3: I do think though, that the Paramount story as well
Speaker 3: as the particulars of the main event have definitely drowned
Speaker 3: out a little bit. It's not like he's made a
Speaker 3: huge impact with the song you dong win, Would you
Speaker 3: agree with that? Like there's like most of the focus
Speaker 3: is just main event and then UFC Paramount as a
Speaker 3: storyline itself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was you know, he wasn't supposed to be
Speaker 2: in the co main event anyway, and it does feel
Speaker 2: like it's just being treated as the feature about, which
Speaker 2: is what it was originally, because the performance wasn't great,
Speaker 2: you know, like it was it was perfectly fine professional.
Speaker 2: Some people scored that fight for song. I didn't, but
Speaker 2: I think it's it's not like the biggest robbery to
Speaker 2: give song one and two there, and so like that's
Speaker 2: just one of those fights that happens and that we
Speaker 2: don't talk about or care that much about moving forward.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's better for Sean O'Malley because he can
Speaker 2: just you know, he said afterwards, I'll just wait, I'll
Speaker 2: wait for the title shot. And historically that's kind of
Speaker 2: a bad idea, but lately it's not. And especially if
Speaker 2: you're a guy that they like and want to give
Speaker 2: opportunities to. Maybe if everyone just forgets about this and
Speaker 2: you sit out for a while, you get it. And
Speaker 2: certainly it's one hundred percent. I think I think we
Speaker 2: could both agree on this loop. If something happens, if
Speaker 2: Morob gets injured, then Shawn's just in and there's no
Speaker 2: question about it.
Speaker 3: Yes, if Morob retired today, this would be a much
Speaker 3: more easy conversation to parse. I will say this. I
Speaker 3: have my notes up here, and I wanted to make
Speaker 3: a point. Then I forgot what I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: Oh no, let me remind you. For me, we talk
Speaker 3: about some of the best fights that can be made
Speaker 3: in MMA within a weight class, so like who Islam
Speaker 3: would fight at seventy a natural seventy, or or as
Speaker 3: we've talked about, a fifty five to Poria and sar
Speaker 3: you can one of the more interesting. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: it's the best fight at thirty five necessarily. What I
Speaker 3: am saying is it will be a crime if San
Speaker 3: Haagen and O'Malley don't fight in like relatively soon.
Speaker 1: Like I don't like.
Speaker 3: Them fighting past their primes is not as interesting to
Speaker 3: me them fighting now. I gotta tell you that would
Speaker 3: be one of my more anticipated fights this year. I
Speaker 3: think that would be fucking electric, huge stakes, because is
Speaker 3: obviously sitting in something of a very advantageous position. Corey
Speaker 3: could steal that or certainly even now put himself even
Speaker 3: further back in the title return that he I think
Speaker 3: still envisions for himself. There's just a lot of going on,
Speaker 3: to say nothing of the particulars of the striking battle
Speaker 3: itself that we would get. Count me in as all
Speaker 3: in favor of O'Malley versus San Haagan as a fight
Speaker 3: that I really really want.
Speaker 1: To see in twenty twenty six. That's just my personal opinion.
Speaker 2: I think that fight's awesome. I've wanted like that's been
Speaker 2: a great fight forever, and I love that Corey called
Speaker 2: for it because that's how you get it, and that
Speaker 2: seems like that seems like what will happen because Sean
Speaker 2: can also get a title fight by beating Corey and
Speaker 2: it is probably easier to beat Corey than it is
Speaker 2: to beat Umar. And yeah, dude, that fight rocks. So
Speaker 2: it's bandam weight. Man, it's really hard to make a
Speaker 2: bad fight with top guys at bantam weight, Like it's
Speaker 2: it's pretty difficult to do that here.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: And speaking getting back to song youa dong and say, dude,
Speaker 3: is san Haagan the best guy in the division. I
Speaker 3: think he's one of the best, but obviously I don't
Speaker 3: think he's the best guy. But look how skillful this
Speaker 3: fucking guy is, Sean Miley. Look how skillful yawn skillful?
Speaker 3: Morob need, I mean, not as skillful, but obviously he
Speaker 3: has a few things working for him that make that
Speaker 3: all work. Look at Umar, he's got problems, but fucking skillful.
Speaker 3: And then song you doong. It's like, dude, what is
Speaker 3: your path to beating guys who can do this many things?
Speaker 3: I just don't know.
Speaker 2: He has no weapon that is critical, Like there is
Speaker 2: no no one single thing and not even like a
Speaker 2: preponderance of offense that is like, ah, he don't have
Speaker 2: anything he needs. I've said my piece on it.
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Speaker 3: the rest of the UFC three twenty four main card.
Speaker 3: Let's start with the heavyweights. What a weird ass? I
Speaker 3: don't even know what do you even? I don't know
Speaker 3: how to talk about Waldo court as a coasta and
Speaker 3: Derek Lewis except to say, is the story jed that
Speaker 3: Waldo Cortez a coasta is actually pretty good? Or is
Speaker 3: the story now that Derek Lewis at forty years of
Speaker 3: age is just kind of bad.
Speaker 2: I think the story is Derek Lewis needs some heuel
Speaker 2: in his life. I don't know the fuck is going
Speaker 2: on there. Maybe Quero is actually what he uh? That
Speaker 2: was weird? I don't I've watched it a lot. I
Speaker 2: still don't. I don't know that this is true, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to cast dispersions on Derek Lewis, who
Speaker 2: is a very fun man. That looked like a little
Speaker 2: bit of one of my favorite fights of all time.
Speaker 2: Not the fight as a whole, but the ending. It
Speaker 2: looked a little like Kimbo Dada. I'm just tired, like
Speaker 2: it was just a I am a tired knockout because like,
Speaker 2: it's not like he jawed him. It was like the
Speaker 2: babyest of shots and Derek just sort of tumped over
Speaker 2: like humpty dumpty fell off the wall. And then once
Speaker 2: he was on the ground was over because Wado can
Speaker 2: just get on him. Then he hit the shit out
Speaker 2: of him once he was on the ground. But like, dude,
Speaker 2: Derek Lewis looked like an almost forty two year old man.
Speaker 2: That's that's my big Like he's he has been a
Speaker 2: fun fighter. He's had a significantly better career than I
Speaker 2: think anyone could have imagined for him. He's forty two.
Speaker 2: He does have a super power, but he is limited
Speaker 2: in the rest of his game broadly, though he has
Speaker 2: his game works really well. I was respected that about
Speaker 2: him and like he's just past it man like it.
Speaker 2: It was a little smoke and mirrors that he was
Speaker 2: on a two fight winning streak because he won them
Speaker 2: in the way he can win fights, and those dudes
Speaker 2: gave him fights he could win. But if you are
Speaker 2: a competent heavyweight who at least has some like a git,
Speaker 2: not even like a dialed in sinse, a general sense
Speaker 2: of strategy and tactics, you're probably going to defeat Derek
Speaker 2: Lewis at this stage of his career.
Speaker 1: Slight correction.
Speaker 3: According to our friends at Wikipedia, Derek Lewis is forty now, he's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be one in February.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was about two weeks or less.
Speaker 2: Actually I thought he was already forty one.
Speaker 3: I bet, yeah, he's going to be forty one here.
Speaker 3: But to your point, I mean, you basically get the
Speaker 3: right idea. I'll say this so you know what it
Speaker 3: reminded me of. It reminded that that sequence where Lewis
Speaker 3: goes heavy on a hook and then heavy on another
Speaker 3: hook and then cortes.
Speaker 2: Customer Zach what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It's it's like Silva versus.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, he got him.
Speaker 1: And I also I saw some folks say this to me.
Speaker 3: It looked to them like is he versus Gasolom a
Speaker 3: little bit as well, where Gaslum's flailing, is he just
Speaker 3: kind of pulls them and pops?
Speaker 1: You know, just a little bit of that too.
Speaker 2: But I was like, it's at for Gasolum, you know,
Speaker 2: didn't fall over and just quit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to knocked out. He was defeated.
Speaker 3: I want to point out something. It wasn't just that
Speaker 3: he just kind of laid down off the punch. Cortes
Speaker 3: a Coasta just does like like the most basic Torreando pass.
Speaker 3: But he doesn't even really do a pass. He just
Speaker 3: grabs his knees or his like his shins and just
Speaker 3: moves them to the side and it just goes right
Speaker 3: to neon belly. And I was like, dude, you just
Speaker 3: let this motherfucker like you didn't even roll to the
Speaker 3: side to frame out, just lets him go right around.
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, what the fuck is that? That
Speaker 3: was a weird part too, But to me, it's like, dude,
Speaker 3: if if you're a bad heavyweight, so you you over
Speaker 3: commit positionally, or you are not athletic enough to retreat quickly, Yeah, Lewis,
Speaker 3: I think still actually might hurt you because he's gonna
Speaker 3: chase you down. He'll swing wide, he does that jumping
Speaker 3: switch kick, that kind of a thing, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So Cortes a Costa, it's a meat and
Speaker 3: potatoes game, jed. But if you're athletic, if you have
Speaker 3: room to move to retreat, and you have you know,
Speaker 3: obviously because of you your athleticism and whatnot. You have
Speaker 3: decent timing and you've got a jab, brother, you can
Speaker 3: win a tiele let heavyweight, Cyril Gone. Is that times
Speaker 3: a million? Why does he win? Because he's got you know,
Speaker 3: when he's not getting choked up by John Jones. But
Speaker 3: like on the feet, he's got a good job. He
Speaker 3: moves pretty well, he's pretty athletic in getting out of
Speaker 3: the way, and that is enough to beat these people. Dude,
Speaker 3: Waldork cotes a Coasta. I don't necessarily look at him
Speaker 3: and think, oh, future champion, but I can't rule it
Speaker 3: out at heavyweight just given the state of things, you.
Speaker 2: Can't rule anything out at heavyweight. But like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: he's he's competent. Is Waldork Coasta is what used to
Speaker 2: be a bottom fifteen heavyweight, like not bottom, like a
Speaker 2: like the bottom end of a top fifteen heavyweight, like
Speaker 2: like a guy who's like a Heath Herring, you know,
Speaker 2: like kind of talented, a little bit athletic, competent, And
Speaker 2: because heavyweight has just died, like just this withering, awful death,
Speaker 2: he's a top five, top six dude. And yeah, like
Speaker 2: he's got a good chin, which is also sort of
Speaker 2: the baseline for success. As everyweight you just have to
Speaker 2: be durable. So he's durable, he can jab, He's got
Speaker 2: enough talent to clear the bar, and the rest of
Speaker 2: this weight classes just buns. It's so bad because this
Speaker 2: isn't lightweight, right Luke where it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's so impressive that Justin Gatchee at Dustin Poier and
Speaker 2: Charles Olivera still got the juice at thirty seven. It's like, man,
Speaker 2: Derek Lewis is forty and still a top fifteen guy
Speaker 2: because this division is in shambles.
Speaker 3: Weald Cortez the Coasta wants Blades.
Speaker 1: Next. We have a graphic to this effect.
Speaker 7: The last thing for me, you call out Curtis Blades
Speaker 7: Stylistically he might seem to be your most difficult matchup
Speaker 7: in the way class. Do you believe he would be
Speaker 7: the most difficult appument for you?
Speaker 8: That's for jamatte Quarters Blades inter.
Speaker 4: DeFi no no.
Speaker 2: No, noo.
Speaker 1: Ran lo.
Speaker 3: Social media, Uh listen, I don't think it's gonna be
Speaker 3: a tough challenge.
Speaker 8: I I do believe I've had harder challenges, especially in
Speaker 8: my last three fights, and I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 8: be that much.
Speaker 1: And listen, I.
Speaker 8: Want Curtis Blaze because he's been saying some things on
Speaker 8: social media and people who talk crap I don't like him,
Speaker 8: so I don't.
Speaker 6: Head of just one quick one. The Mexico card is
Speaker 6: getting built like very quickly. It already has the main event.
Speaker 6: Would you rather fight in Mexico on the undercard or
Speaker 6: your headline a card against Curtis Blades.
Speaker 4: Mexico quite good.
Speaker 1: Or Meico you gonna pa. I don't care where they
Speaker 1: put me in there.
Speaker 8: I want to fight in Mexico and I want to
Speaker 8: rip Curtis Blade's head off in Mexican.
Speaker 1: His chances to defeat Curtis Blades or what.
Speaker 2: That's a really good question, Luke. I think he's I
Speaker 2: think that's a great call out because is like the
Speaker 2: only other dude you kind of call out at that
Speaker 2: point if you're WCA is I mean, maybe you try
Speaker 2: to moonshot Cyril gone because Tom might be out for
Speaker 2: a while. But like the other guy's Alexander Volkov and
Speaker 2: that seems like that's just a low upside fight. But
Speaker 2: he has been very good defensively as a wrestler and
Speaker 2: thought a lot of like great wrestlers, mind you, but
Speaker 2: like WCA has a very good, statistically speaking takedown defense
Speaker 2: and Curtis Blades, you know, but he can compete on
Speaker 2: the feat But if he can stuff a bunch of
Speaker 2: Curtis Blades takedowns, I wouldn't shock me if WCA just
Speaker 2: sort of jabbed his way to a victory. And then
Speaker 2: if he beats Curtis Blades, like, yeah, put him in
Speaker 2: a title fight. So I like to call out and
Speaker 2: I'd favor Blades, but sixty forty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of there. It's like he lost to Pavlovich.
Speaker 3: So I do think we've seen some of the limits
Speaker 3: of what Cortes Costa can be. But the Blades one
Speaker 3: is again, he's earned a fight like that, and honestly,
Speaker 3: Blades could use some momentum that cortesl Coasta has built
Speaker 3: for himself. I actually like the call out. I like
Speaker 3: the fight. Put it in Mexico, put it whatever they want.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I definitely like what he's thinking,
Speaker 3: all right, which takes us to Jesus O God the
Speaker 3: fuck me.
Speaker 1: Here's how Here's how bad this fight was.
Speaker 3: I talked to Brian Campbell all day yesterday via text,
Speaker 3: were just sharing a bunch of thoughts.
Speaker 2: Huh, who's that.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's this guy who when he watches straweights, puts
Speaker 3: his pants around his ankles and then masturbates at the
Speaker 3: bus stop. But putting that aside, good day for him yesterday,
Speaker 3: then yeah, a little chili.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, here's how Brian did not
Speaker 3: shit on this.
Speaker 1: I want to be clear. But the fact that he
Speaker 1: didn't even bring this fight up to.
Speaker 3: Me, he had nothing to say about it, I think
Speaker 3: tells you what, dude, this fight was bad.
Speaker 1: This Rose Nama units Italia silver fight. It was bad.
Speaker 3: I kind of thought Rose maybe deserved to win it.
Speaker 3: I do recognize Silva probably won the third I guess
Speaker 3: the second round was a bit of a swing round.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where the hell Rose is.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's happening with where she's coming or
Speaker 3: going in terms of her space in this division. She
Speaker 3: still beats people, but then she loses fights or she
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to have the kind of urgency that she
Speaker 3: would need. Jed and more to the point, Silva was
Speaker 3: dancing like she was doing you know that Dak Prescott
Speaker 3: warm up where he does the hip twist everywhere like that,
Speaker 3: you know I'm talking about. Yeah, she was doing Prescott.
Speaker 3: Her frontwork was doing the Dak Prescott. No again, she
Speaker 3: warmed up eventually she had that. She had that nice
Speaker 3: throw Silva did from the double overhooks.
Speaker 2: She does the Dak Prescott in the middle of the
Speaker 2: fight constantly, just like she's.
Speaker 1: It drives me crazy.
Speaker 3: But she did have the nice throw that That sidekick
Speaker 3: to the face on Rose was nice. But just just
Speaker 3: just what has happened to Rose? Your reaction to this bout,
Speaker 3: and then we'll talk about what happens next.
Speaker 2: After I heard about this today from me find dot com,
Speaker 2: so you can check it out. It's up on the
Speaker 2: site by now. We do like a put an after
Speaker 2: action report for the thing. And I like Rosa Immunis.
Speaker 2: I feel when I watch her fight, and when I
Speaker 2: watch her fight the last several fights since she's moved
Speaker 2: up to flyway, I can I think of the Lewis
Speaker 2: Carrol Matt Hatter quote, you used to be much more, muchier.
Speaker 2: You've lost your muchness. Like Rose was always a mercurial fighter, right,
Speaker 2: like she had super eyes and the Carlos Barza fight
Speaker 2: is like an atrocity. But since coming up to one
Speaker 2: twenty five, she doesn't have like there's no juice, there's
Speaker 2: no muchness to her. She's not losing by a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, she's maybe raised that floor a little bit
Speaker 2: from some of her worst performances, but there's just there's
Speaker 2: nothing going on. Even when she's saying the Lord's Prayer
Speaker 2: and talking to herself, it's no longer like, oh, she's
Speaker 2: gonna put a foot upside some person's head. She's like
Speaker 2: she's gonna edge out Miranda Maverick, Like this was an
Speaker 2: imminently winnable fight for her and she she never got there,
Speaker 2: and so I don't I don't know. She is one
Speaker 2: of the more fascinating figures in the history of the
Speaker 2: sport to me, just because of like how good she
Speaker 2: could be but could never consistently get there. But wasn't
Speaker 2: like a flash in the pan like a Cody Garbrandt
Speaker 2: like she had. She's had longevity, but yeah, she's lost
Speaker 2: her muchness, man, And I don't know how you get
Speaker 2: that back. Maybe it just won't like maybe we're just
Speaker 2: just too far gone. But it was kind of this
Speaker 2: was kind of a bummer of a fight to watch,
Speaker 2: even if maybe you expect like outside of it sucking.
Speaker 2: Maybe even if you expected it like this, this fight
Speaker 2: crystallized to me like, oh, Rose isn't We're never We're
Speaker 2: never getting back what we had.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she might still win again, but you know, whatever
Speaker 3: the magic was that, I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 3: happened to it. Also, I was so bummed out by
Speaker 3: the fight. Again, it wasn't the worst fight I've ever
Speaker 3: seen her something, but just the accumulative weight or the
Speaker 3: cumulative weight I should say of how poorly women's MMA
Speaker 3: has just become interned. I put out a thread yesterday
Speaker 3: and be like, hey, what are the best women's fights
Speaker 3: of all time? And obviously not in boxing but in MMA,
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of great responses.
Speaker 1: But then one thing I noticed was I can't.
Speaker 3: Remember any of them being within the last few years,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like all the ones that
Speaker 3: they're picking happened, you know, twenty twenty or or much
Speaker 3: earlier than that, including into the Strike Force days. I
Speaker 3: don't know what has happened to the game. There's probably
Speaker 3: a few factors to say it, but Jesus bro it
Speaker 3: is I don't want to be this way where the
Speaker 3: first two cars in the paramount era jed there's one
Speaker 3: fight on the card from Saturday and there are fucking
Speaker 3: none on the next one. But it's like, dude, I
Speaker 3: don't know what people want the UFC to do at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 1: Game's gone.
Speaker 3: Brother, It's just not the same anymore, and I'm not
Speaker 3: getting the same amount of enjoyment.
Speaker 1: It really is quite depressing. I have to be.
Speaker 2: Honest, has in fact done changed. I don't, dude, I
Speaker 2: don't know how to save it. It's so it is
Speaker 2: die or.
Speaker 1: Like our era of MMA was better.
Speaker 3: But dude, what is this era's equivalent to to for example,
Speaker 3: Misha Tate versus Katz and Ghano, Like, what's the equivalent.
Speaker 2: That it's not a boomer it's objectively true. I know
Speaker 2: that it's objectively true because all the same women's fighters
Speaker 2: who were good are still in the top of the
Speaker 2: rankings now Mesha Tait is a ranked bandam way, And
Speaker 2: that's not a vision we're talking about. But like, this
Speaker 2: has been these same not dude, same women for ten
Speaker 2: years and it's not like they got better because they
Speaker 2: got ten years older. Like it's it is there and
Speaker 2: they're so limited, like grow, like like who who's coming along?
Speaker 2: Like who are the like Natalia Silva is the the
Speaker 2: new the leader, vanguard of the new generation. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: if she beat like if she beats Valentina Shipchenko, that's
Speaker 2: not that she's that good. It's that Valentina Shipchenko's pushing
Speaker 2: forty and she's been fighting professionally for twenty years and
Speaker 2: at some point you just can't do it forever.
Speaker 4: Yea, it is.
Speaker 2: It is tough scenes right now.
Speaker 3: Your level of excitement for Natalia Silva versus Shifchenko.
Speaker 2: Oh incredibly limited. And I want to be very clear
Speaker 2: about this. I am an enormous uh Valentina Shipchenko stan
Speaker 2: I've been standing her for literal years. That is not
Speaker 2: because she It's the exact opposite reasons that I stand
Speaker 2: justin Gaechee and ury Prashka. She is not the most
Speaker 2: fun person to watch. I am when she competes. I
Speaker 2: am watching, in my estimation, the greatest female fighter of
Speaker 2: all time. And so I will I will have polite,
Speaker 2: like respectful applause, like golf clap this. You know that
Speaker 2: that fight is me sitting in the opera box watching
Speaker 2: opera and being like very good, very good, despite not
Speaker 2: really being moved by it.
Speaker 3: All right elsewhere on this card, and this was a
Speaker 3: fun one for me. A little bit heartbreaking based on
Speaker 3: the way that it went, but not so much. Jayon
Speaker 3: Silva looked I think, I'd say, much more patient this time.
Speaker 1: And it went over Arnold Allen.
Speaker 3: How much did this restore your faith that Jahon Silva
Speaker 3: could contend for a title following that loss to Diego Lopez,
Speaker 3: but now with this great win over Arnold Allen.
Speaker 2: Dude, I this was the fight I was the most
Speaker 2: curious about because I said, after Jean Silva lost to
Speaker 2: Diego Lopez, and I think even said in the pregame
Speaker 2: preview that we did, I was like, I wonder if
Speaker 2: that loss will be a justin Gaugee moment, because remember
Speaker 2: when Gaigie came in from WSOF and he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to get into car crashes and then he
Speaker 2: got knocked out. He like finally found his equal and
Speaker 2: went back to the lab and retooled his game in
Speaker 2: a very effective way. I was like, maybe that's just
Speaker 2: what John Silva needed. He not to don't turn off
Speaker 2: the bozo just you got to be able to modulate
Speaker 2: the bozo mid fight, and he did, like he one
Speaker 2: hundred percent did that against Ron Allen, Like he still
Speaker 2: had it. He surfed a dude. I've never seen a
Speaker 2: guy surfer guy of a fight Luke when he's surfed man,
Speaker 2: so like he still got the bozo in him and
Speaker 2: at times he would he would unleash it, but it
Speaker 2: was much more controlled and he like he just constantly
Speaker 2: beat Arnod Allen, who I think is a very very
Speaker 2: good not great fighter, And so like I left this
Speaker 2: being like, oh, yeah, he's going to win the belt.
Speaker 2: I believed two years ago Joan Silva was going to
Speaker 2: win the belt, and now I'm like, he's definitely going
Speaker 2: to win the belt, maybe not like next but in
Speaker 2: the next two years.
Speaker 3: You know what he that reminded me of when he
Speaker 3: was like surfing like that. People were saying, oh, it
Speaker 3: was like Diaz against Silva when he just kind of
Speaker 3: laid down, you know. But to me, it's like, dude,
Speaker 3: Jayon Silva brings regional MMA energy to a high level
Speaker 3: about you know, where he's just doing shit. You would
Speaker 3: never expect that. It's crazy, that makes no sense as
Speaker 3: kind of on kind of weird, kind of crazy, and
Speaker 3: it just works.
Speaker 2: You know, dude, he's Michelle Pereira. If Michelle Phta was good,
Speaker 2: that's just it. Like he's he's Michelle. And I loved
Speaker 2: Dmolador like I he was so fun regionally as a
Speaker 2: complete psycho, and then when he retooled this game, he
Speaker 2: got boring and then he just got bad. John Silver
Speaker 2: is just way better. Also, I've been on this corner,
Speaker 2: but I want to get this takeout. John Silva is
Speaker 2: the best of the fighting nerds. I've been saying it.
Speaker 2: I think he is the most talented, best fighter of
Speaker 2: the nerds.
Speaker 1: You think he's better than Kyle?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Would Kyle be two?
Speaker 2: I think Kyle's two because I and Protest is three,
Speaker 2: and I think Ruffy's four, But like that's is there
Speaker 2: anybody else there that's like? Because I know they got
Speaker 2: uh he's counting them. They're below those four anyway. But
Speaker 2: like I I thought for a while, Jean Silva was
Speaker 2: the best bet for the fight he nerds to get
Speaker 2: a belt. Still feel that.
Speaker 3: Way, Arnold Allen, you knew that the same thing was
Speaker 3: going to plague him in this file. You didn't if
Speaker 3: it was going to be a losing factor or not,
Speaker 3: but that it would be something he had to overcome.
Speaker 3: He kind of starts a little bit late. I did
Speaker 3: think he opened up on him a little bit in
Speaker 3: that second round with some better energy, but he had
Speaker 3: even lower output in the third than he did I
Speaker 3: think in any of the other two previous rounds. And
Speaker 3: you know, for me, jed in a sport where again
Speaker 3: I appreciate how defensively sound Arnold Allen is. Sure man.
Speaker 3: You rarely see him get hit super clean or get
Speaker 3: fucked up, Like he leaves fights looking okay, But he
Speaker 3: leaves his fights kind of losing against some of these
Speaker 3: better guys because it's just not the offense is much
Speaker 3: more important than defense in this sport. And I don't
Speaker 3: feel like his game is as good as it is,
Speaker 3: and it is good, and he's still young. I just
Speaker 3: don't think his orientation for how he prioritizes it is
Speaker 3: enough to beat the very best guys, even if they
Speaker 3: are more defensively limited than him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I love Arnold. I think arn Allen seems
Speaker 2: like one of the very few fighters who I would
Speaker 2: genuinely just like to hang out with, like would just
Speaker 2: be a good time, and he's very good. He is
Speaker 2: like kind of the worst of the Trystar team to me,
Speaker 2: not like as a fighter, but he is. My issues
Speaker 2: with TriStar is that it is like a much more
Speaker 2: defensively focused gym, and he doesn't have any of the
Speaker 2: things that he needs to really really excel at the top,
Speaker 2: other than he doesn't get beat up that bad. But
Speaker 2: also when you are perpetually injured, not getting beat up
Speaker 2: it's not really that big of an advantage because it's
Speaker 2: not like, oh, I'm healthy, I can turn around and
Speaker 2: fight in three weeks. That's just not ever been how
Speaker 2: it's worked for him. So I think he's probably never
Speaker 2: fighting for a belt, which is weird because if you'd
Speaker 2: ask me a few years ago, it'd been like one
Speaker 2: hundred percent. There's just not a question in my mind.
Speaker 2: And he's gonna be It's gonna be like a Martin Kampman,
Speaker 2: you know, like real heads who lived through the time
Speaker 2: will respect him. But he's that's just or to where
Speaker 2: he's at in his career.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Let's move down to topic topic number four, which is
Speaker 3: the preliminary card itself. So there was, well, there's a
Speaker 3: lot to go over here. Let's start with the what
Speaker 3: they call the main event of the prelims. Umar number
Speaker 3: Gamdeov kind of easily for the most part beats Stevinson figuredo.
Speaker 1: But the reality is Jed by the.
Speaker 3: End of the about and other periods before, but certainly
Speaker 3: by the end of the bout, Umar was getting booed
Speaker 3: by the crowd. Now I'm not here to validate the
Speaker 3: booze as such, but it just seems to kind of
Speaker 3: signify something to me. Number one Umar and Usman number
Speaker 3: gam Madov are obviously very good, but they're not habib like.
Speaker 3: They're a step down from that pretty clearly to me,
Speaker 3: they can do a lot of things, speaking of people
Speaker 3: that have a lot of tools, but they don't have
Speaker 3: necessarily a ton of danger to their game. It's just
Speaker 3: a lot of heavy control or heavy maintenance of range. Right,
Speaker 3: So that's one problem. But the other problem is in
Speaker 3: a world where you know you're very, very good, but
Speaker 3: you're kind of like the bantamweight John Fitch of the
Speaker 3: modern era, I just don't know what.
Speaker 1: Gifts that's going to get you to me. Jed.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that you had a nerma Goa Madeov on
Speaker 3: this card. And anytime there's a number goa madev in
Speaker 3: the PFL, whether there's attending or on the card itself,
Speaker 3: they blow it up like it's the biggest deal. UFC
Speaker 3: kind of downplayed it this time, to be honest with you.
Speaker 3: They put the guy on the fucking prelims for crying
Speaker 3: out loud. How do you read this performance and how
Speaker 3: the UFC perceives or Umar nember goa madoff following Saturday's.
Speaker 2: Whin dude Luke has has any fighter of the past year,
Speaker 2: like the past twelve months had a worse year that
Speaker 2: didn't lose a bunch, right, like you know somebody losing
Speaker 2: five fights sort of for sure, But like Umar's stock
Speaker 2: this time last year. I mean, I guess this time
Speaker 2: twelve and a half months ago, right, I you everybody
Speaker 2: we did a pregame preview was like Umar is going
Speaker 2: to beat Morob because he's the best band of weight
Speaker 2: on the world. Like everyone the broad thought was that
Speaker 2: Umar was the dude to maybe take the goat title
Speaker 2: in this weight class. And then his stock is not
Speaker 2: like plummeted, but it has just been a steady decline
Speaker 2: of like Okay, you're good, but your mavsar revuev. Why
Speaker 2: the hell do we care about you? If your last name,
Speaker 2: if his last name was not Namerga Medov, he would
Speaker 2: be in the mavsar revlv. You are screwed zone. As
Speaker 2: tough as he is, very good, but I think you
Speaker 2: nailed it. He what what? Where's the offense? Where's the
Speaker 2: danger in fighting umarann O Murgha Metov? Because there isn't
Speaker 2: any He the dangers you lose like a niptuck decision,
Speaker 2: because he's very good everywhere. But Habib was a fucking
Speaker 2: demon like Luke, do you remember watching Habib beat the
Speaker 2: souls out of people when he got them down. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying everybody can be that, but there was that
Speaker 2: element was to his game islam. When he gets you down,
Speaker 2: he is a like a genuine submission hunter and he
Speaker 2: is actually like a real threat on the feet as well.
Speaker 2: Umar is just kind of good. You're just good at everything,
Speaker 2: same as usman like they're good. But if you don't
Speaker 2: have if you're not going to scare somebody, it's it's
Speaker 2: tougher to be a dominant force and people aren't afraid
Speaker 2: to fight you. Bro.
Speaker 3: Habib was mean people, people forget this, Like his style was.
Speaker 3: You know, you'd feel bad for people if they spend
Speaker 3: a lot of time underneath him. You're like, dude, this
Speaker 3: is fucking hard to watch a little bit because they
Speaker 3: can't do shit and they're getting beat up, and then
Speaker 3: he's setting up submissions eventually towards the end, I mean,
Speaker 3: and again for folks who may remember, recall he could
Speaker 3: have ended the gates he fight earlier. He took fucking
Speaker 3: pity on him because he didn't want to break his arm,
Speaker 3: so he ended up changing the submission to a different one.
Speaker 3: See he's not that mean, Yeah, but then he goes
Speaker 3: out the door and on on that call. But like
Speaker 3: in general, like you know, talking to Michael Johnson, like
Speaker 3: you have to give up now, this is gonna go
Speaker 3: bad for you.
Speaker 1: And he's beaten the shit out of him.
Speaker 2: He had a gear he had and like he had
Speaker 2: a level of like I'm going I am better than
Speaker 2: you and I'm going to hurt you the same that
Speaker 2: Islam has, like they and maybe that's just natural, right
Speaker 2: because like if you think about it, that kind of
Speaker 2: makes sense to me. Of like, Okay, Habib and Islam,
Speaker 2: outside of being training partners for life. They were both
Speaker 2: sort of into They were the vanguards of this camp.
Speaker 2: They they sort of led the way, and then the
Speaker 2: trickle down. The next generation are just people who learned
Speaker 2: in their mold, Like how do you teach somebody to
Speaker 2: be a hard nosed son of a bitch? Like that's
Speaker 2: it's tough to instill that into people. Yeah, and like
Speaker 2: they just naturally had it because they had to do this.
Speaker 2: And so like, if you told me that Umar was
Speaker 2: going to get nasty, I'd be like, he gonna be
Speaker 2: a real problem. But now I'm like, I still think
Speaker 2: he's going to beat most people, but it's not going
Speaker 2: to be this dominant force. It's going to be winning
Speaker 2: on the margins.
Speaker 3: I'd be really curious to see what they do with
Speaker 3: him this year, given that, like people are starting to
Speaker 3: get like exactly how good he is or how limited
Speaker 3: he is.
Speaker 1: I think this year is going to be really.
Speaker 3: How they treat Umar. Tell you a lot about how
Speaker 3: they treat the kind of fighter that Umar is.
Speaker 1: I'll be looking forward to that, all right.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I do like from Umar is
Speaker 2: he he seems to recognize what's going on that he
Speaker 2: is not. He had not a good year basically because
Speaker 2: he's coming out and be like, I'll fight anybody, dude,
Speaker 2: I don't care. He's not trying to negotiate his way
Speaker 2: into a title fight as he previously was really doing.
Speaker 2: He's just like, dude, it doesn't matter if I got
Speaker 2: to fight somebody, line him up on, knock him down.
Speaker 2: And I think that's how he got to be right
Speaker 2: because he has not blown the doors off people. He
Speaker 2: has not shook the world up. So you've got to
Speaker 2: just be like, I'll fight anybody, don't care, give me him.
Speaker 1: That brings us now to a table. Gotier.
Speaker 3: Now, he did win, and he did brutalize his opponent,
Speaker 3: but his opponent pole I turned out to be tougher
Speaker 3: than what is it a two or three dollars stake,
Speaker 3: whatever the saying is.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I don't think that that matters.
Speaker 2: If you're paying two or three dollars, you're probably getting
Speaker 2: the same quality of steak luke.
Speaker 3: Fair enough anyway, whatever the saying is, he got he
Speaker 3: got worked, but he survived and in fact fought back
Speaker 3: a little bit. And what it kind of showed was
Speaker 3: Gotier clearly jet a physical force and still young enough
Speaker 3: where he can do some stuff, but a little green,
Speaker 3: a little offensively limited. He had an opponent circling out
Speaker 3: to his weak side and he kept crowing this figure
Speaker 3: it out as opposed to the hook, and I'm watching
Speaker 3: this him.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, greet him with the hook? What
Speaker 1: are you doing?
Speaker 2: It was It's one of those things like obviously the
Speaker 2: table gotier, much better fighter than I am. Like, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that, but I was just like, dude, at
Speaker 2: what point, at what point does your brain be?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Man, every time I'm trying to throw this right hand,
Speaker 2: he's even further over and so I'm just like punching nothing.
Speaker 2: What if I try the hand that's closer to him?
Speaker 2: It was nuts.
Speaker 3: Hey, Long Island, Louke, can you do me a favor?
Speaker 3: Perhaps there is acting up here for just a second.
Speaker 3: Can I have just a minute to go fix what
Speaker 3: she with devastation? She has laid ways too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll put jed full and uh.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll be right back. I'll be right back right.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I'm the captain now, boys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the chat is gonna hate this.
Speaker 2: The chat is going to be furious that I'm the captain.
Speaker 1: That they'll be alright with it.
Speaker 2: Chad, let's talk about the I want to say one
Speaker 2: more thing about Gotier, because as Luke sort of teed it,
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, he's still twenty three, so that's
Speaker 2: totally fine. But I then I pulled it up. Uh
Speaker 2: because Long Island. He's been fighting now for four years,
Speaker 2: so yeah, he is green, but he's twenty three. And
Speaker 2: the fact that he could win again against a limited opponent,
Speaker 2: I'm certainly not here to say that is some world beater.
Speaker 2: The fact that he won, he wasn't really in danger
Speaker 2: of losing. It's one of those I think there's just
Speaker 2: a good win for him, right, Like it's it's not
Speaker 2: that exciting. I lost money on it. That was a bumber,
Speaker 2: but like he didn't climb with it, though I did,
Speaker 2: but because it was the first leg dead, I just
Speaker 2: reclimbed with the next two and cash fine. But like
Speaker 2: this is one of those where it's like, yeah, sometimes
Speaker 2: you gotta you have to learn where your limitations are.
Speaker 2: And now he'll go back and I think Luke Barnett's
Speaker 2: coach and they'll be like, Okay, we need to give
Speaker 2: you a left hook and we need to teach you
Speaker 2: a little bit more about footwork, because he doesn't have
Speaker 2: a ton of that. And you know, progress isn't linear.
Speaker 2: But at twenty three, I still expect very big things
Speaker 2: for table Gautier. This is just one of those that
Speaker 2: you get. That's because that's how fighting works. Not everything's
Speaker 2: gonna be your best day ever.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm back, Hold on one second. Oh the
Speaker 1: fucking thing fell off? Hang on? Did two key break
Speaker 1: that tear here? And I gotta switch earplugs.
Speaker 2: Tuki has been absolutely start about that.
Speaker 3: My daughter, she came in the house and I heard it,
Speaker 3: and then I heard her come screaming down the hallway,
Speaker 3: which meant that in arctic temperatures, she had left the
Speaker 3: door open, which she did. That's good, and there was
Speaker 3: all this shit in the house as a consequence, so
Speaker 3: I had to go fix that. Okay, sorry about that,
Speaker 3: don't forgive you all right, very good. Well, let's get
Speaker 3: to the rest of what we saw here. Alex Perez
Speaker 3: scoring a first round stoppage over Charles Johnson. Charles Johnson's
Speaker 3: got a weird career here, right jet He's got to
Speaker 3: win over josh Van, but he has losses like this
Speaker 3: and some other ones as well.
Speaker 4: He is.
Speaker 1: I don't know how surprised should we be by this win.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't be surprised because Charles Johnson defies expectation constantly.
Speaker 2: Like it just seems like he's gonna win the fights
Speaker 2: he's gonna supposed to lose, and lose the fights he's
Speaker 2: supposed to win. He didn't like the stoppage.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I think that's fine. The thing I am most surprised about, frankly,
Speaker 2: is not Charles Johnson. The end of it is, like
Speaker 2: I thought Alex Perez was, We're washed, and I guess
Speaker 2: he's still got some juice in him, right, Like he
Speaker 2: you know, he won the fight his first win. He's
Speaker 2: the only won like two fights on his last seven
Speaker 2: or eight.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But like that's good on Alex Prez. And Charles Johnson
Speaker 2: remains an enigma to me.
Speaker 1: He's got a weird career.
Speaker 3: He's got he has the lost to Makaievka his UC
Speaker 3: debut fine, fair enough, totally explicable, you know, And he's
Speaker 3: got the loss to Ody Osborne, which was split and
Speaker 3: that was a few years ago. All right, Cody Durden
Speaker 3: can wrestle, okay, and then he goes on a bit
Speaker 3: of a four fight win streak, which you put Van
Speaker 3: in Sumaderja and he, of course, he knocks out Van
Speaker 3: in round three, and then he's just kind of been
Speaker 3: up and down since then. He has to win over
Speaker 3: a loner Kavanaugh. But then, dude, I didn't see it coming.
Speaker 3: I thought Perez was kind of a forgotten figure in
Speaker 3: this division, or at a bare minimum, that Johnson was resurgent,
Speaker 3: but I guess not. Kind of an interesting surprise there,
Speaker 3: super weird, all right. And then there's this one, which
Speaker 3: is Josh Hokit at heavyweight is clearly pretty good. He
Speaker 3: is athletic, he can wrestle, he moves forward. You know,
Speaker 3: he's got good reaction time, he's got a bit of
Speaker 3: a mean streak. Like these are all things that are
Speaker 3: going to take you pretty far as a fighter. However,
Speaker 3: he appears to be completely unbearable. Before you react, Dana
Speaker 3: has a conversation, Oh, sorry, I have a different one.
Speaker 3: We'll come to that one separately. Ignore that one. Getting
Speaker 3: back to this one. What is your reaction to?
Speaker 1: What? How should we feel about Josh Hokit.
Speaker 2: He's a good fighter. He's not like a great fighter,
Speaker 2: but he's also fairly young, especially at heavyweight. I mean,
Speaker 2: the truth is, if looking at Josh Hokit, my abdominant
Speaker 2: thought is, if I were a semi decent but not
Speaker 2: exceptional light heavyweight, I'd move up to heavyweight because Josh
Speaker 2: Hogin is just beating heavyweights because he has a gas
Speaker 2: tank that is not you know, held down by fifty
Speaker 2: extra pounds of fat. So it's just like, but this,
Speaker 2: I have to say. He's not a good fighter. He
Speaker 2: obviously is right. He comes from a wrestling background. He
Speaker 2: has the mean streak that you know, we talked about
Speaker 2: guys like Umar would be really nice to have. And
Speaker 2: you know, he's got to put together game. It all
Speaker 2: kind of works together. He doesn't have a superpower, at
Speaker 2: least not that I've seen yet, but he can. He
Speaker 2: can do this to many, if not most heavyweights because
Speaker 2: of the state of the division. If he ever dropped
Speaker 2: the two o five, I mean, that's also a bad division.
Speaker 2: But like, I think he could have plenty of success
Speaker 2: there as well. And whether you can't stand him or not,
Speaker 2: like he is at the bare minimum, Luke, I do
Speaker 2: not ascribe to the idea that all publicity is good publicity.
Speaker 2: I think that there is a lot of truth to
Speaker 2: it insofar as breaking through the just ever present noise
Speaker 2: of this sport and the UFC's consistent attempts to sort
Speaker 2: of make everything monochrome. He at least is breaking through,
Speaker 2: even if maybe it's not in a way I would
Speaker 2: choose to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's unbearable, but the problem is he's good and
Speaker 3: that's going to take him pretty far.
Speaker 2: And just just reusing old pro wrestling stuff will take
Speaker 2: you far in the sport because because nobody else is
Speaker 2: doing anything at all, the bar is on the floor
Speaker 2: for being died like interesting and at the minimum, he's
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 3: So let's go to point number five. Oh sorry, before
Speaker 3: we do. Before we do, we do have Dana talking
Speaker 3: about So there was this Michael Johnson Alexander Hernandez bout
Speaker 3: that was on the card, but the betting lines were
Speaker 3: kind of crazy. Some places had limited betting before the fight,
Speaker 3: and then Dana or the UFC, I should say, ended
Speaker 3: up pulling the bout altogether. In the wake of the
Speaker 3: Isaac Dulgarian scandal, we were like, okay, did a betting
Speaker 3: integrity firm tell them to pull it?
Speaker 1: Turns out that they did here's Dana. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Lastly for me, we did have a fight cancelation's day.
Speaker 7: Not a lot of details on the information of what
Speaker 7: happened there. There's speculation that maybe this was a wagering flag.
Speaker 1: What can you tell that's what it is?
Speaker 9: Happened again, you know, we we get we got called
Speaker 9: from uh, you know, the Gaming Integrity Service, and I said,
Speaker 9: I'm not doing this shit again.
Speaker 4: So we pulled the.
Speaker 2: Fight, canceled fight from today. Like what happens now?
Speaker 4: Is there an investigation?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, the the FBI is already you know,
Speaker 9: deep into all this stuff anyway, so I'm sure this
Speaker 9: one will We'll be next, right.
Speaker 8: So, like, are those guys out of action until something
Speaker 8: concludes or is it just one.
Speaker 9: Side of the fight that I don't know?
Speaker 1: Your reaction, dude, this can rocked?
Speaker 2: Uh, dude, I wish I was in. I just want
Speaker 2: to be in one paramount meeting this week and be like,
Speaker 2: God damn. We got the full UFC experience for our
Speaker 2: first one A. We had a major fight fall off
Speaker 2: the card. We had a guy almost die away, and
Speaker 2: we had a gambling scandal and we had a dude,
Speaker 2: get on the mind. I can just issue casual bigotry,
Speaker 2: like they got the whole enchilada as far as what
Speaker 2: you can expect from a UFC fight card and a
Speaker 2: banger of a fight in the main event.
Speaker 4: So good on.
Speaker 2: Paramount to get it all in this gambling thing. I
Speaker 2: saw it like I was in transit when I saw
Speaker 2: the first tweets about line movement happening, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's unfortunate because I had money on Alexanderrnandez and then
Speaker 2: it got pulled. And it's very obvious why I got pulled.
Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody has confirmed anything, but like
Speaker 2: to me, Luke, this is this is just sort of
Speaker 2: the nature of the sport and its current incarnation. Because
Speaker 2: pure speculation, I don't have any inside information. My strong
Speaker 2: guess is that Alexander Hernandez needed to fight because fighters
Speaker 2: lift paycheck to paycheck, and he came in with an
Speaker 2: injury and was just going to fight with the injury
Speaker 2: regardless and hope for the best. Because we see fighters
Speaker 2: do this all the time. Maybe you can get the
Speaker 2: w It's not like he was going to come in
Speaker 2: and throw the fight necessarily. But then somebody was like, oh,
Speaker 2: alex has a broken whatever, Let's just put some money
Speaker 2: Michael Johnson, because that's when fighters, when you don't pay
Speaker 2: people enough money, they're going to fight for you because
Speaker 2: they need the money. It doesn't really matter the circumstances
Speaker 2: of their condition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as a long on Luke points out, which
Speaker 3: I had seen before, again, it may utterly be coincidental.
Speaker 3: I have no idea the causal relationships such that there
Speaker 3: is even any. However, this is yet another adjacent house
Speaker 3: fighter from Iridium and then another Factory X fighter as well,
Speaker 3: So geez.
Speaker 5: I also want to point out I brought this up
Speaker 5: on Friday's show. I said, Oh, the lines have actually
Speaker 5: moved a lot. A lot of money has come in
Speaker 5: on Michael Johnson. I didn't think it was anything worth
Speaker 5: like flagging at that moment, but they continued to come down.
Speaker 4: It's just interesting that we were talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to guess that that is circumstance, because
Speaker 2: you'd have to be either the ballsiest or the stupidest
Speaker 2: motherfucker alive to be to be like in the crosshairs
Speaker 2: right now and be like, I'm gonna do it again.
Speaker 2: This is not the fucking town. I'm gonna put a
Speaker 2: move on them. Man, then we're still gonna throw a
Speaker 2: fight like.
Speaker 5: In the Jason House defense too, though he does have
Speaker 5: like sixty percent of the roster, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like the odds just mathematically, mathematically, it's the factory X
Speaker 5: thing is a little more in factory.
Speaker 2: The factory X thing is the one that's interesting. It's like,
Speaker 2: I think it just has to be coincidence. But man,
Speaker 2: you get enough coincidences and that starts to become a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly an interesting fact.
Speaker 3: All right, Last, but not least, let's just talk about
Speaker 3: the overall event and the presentation and the broadcast and
Speaker 3: and everything else they're in jen It's a simple question.
Speaker 3: UFC three pretty four broadcast debut on Paramount. Some changes.
Speaker 3: Some folks thought not enough, some folks thought just right.
Speaker 3: They added a bunch of new elements. We had the
Speaker 3: war Pigs run down and the sizzle reel, and we
Speaker 3: had the normal sizzle reel. Then we had the Travis
Speaker 3: Barker sizzle reel. We'll talk about all the ads in
Speaker 3: just a moment, but as a general idea for you,
Speaker 3: like a sort of a way to understand it. What
Speaker 3: worked about this broadcast and what didn't and overall, what
Speaker 3: kind of grade would you give? Again, not so much
Speaker 3: the fight card, but the broadcast, the way it was shown.
Speaker 2: The broadcast. If I'm not considering the fight card.
Speaker 1: I mean they're all kind of related.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, but like, overall, I would give this
Speaker 2: card a B minus because I think a lot of
Speaker 2: it was missus, but you ended on a high note,
Speaker 2: and that's the most important thing. If I'm just talking
Speaker 2: about the broadcast of production elements, I'll give it a
Speaker 2: C plus, like a little bit of a docked point there,
Speaker 2: because I do want to be open to the idea
Speaker 2: that I forget who said it from the OC, but
Speaker 2: it came out and was like, we're trying some new stuff.
Speaker 2: Bear with us. Most of the new stuff they tried
Speaker 2: didn't really work for me. But in the earlier Star
Speaker 2: time like it ended up mad, but not as much
Speaker 2: as I'd hoped because it was so bloated. We took
Speaker 2: so long to do so much shit there. The pacing
Speaker 2: was pretty poor and there were a lot of ads.
Speaker 2: But also, I don't know if this is a hot
Speaker 2: take loop, I just don't give a shit about the
Speaker 2: ads thing, you know why, because I'm not paying eighty dollars,
Speaker 2: so it's fine to put some more ads. The only
Speaker 2: thing I will say in that regard that I really disliked,
Speaker 2: and I think my biggest criticism of the whole production
Speaker 2: is that they don't show walkouts anymore. And somebody reported
Speaker 2: this that that's just part of the paramount deal. They
Speaker 2: are like the deals structurally, They're only going to show
Speaker 2: like a few and that sucks because it's one of
Speaker 2: the few times you get to see the energy of
Speaker 2: a fighter. They have even an opportunity to stand out
Speaker 2: from the faceless mass that is the UFC, and they're
Speaker 2: just not even showing that anymore. So I can get commercials,
Speaker 2: which is kind of lame. But other than that, it
Speaker 2: was a UFC. It felt very much the same. They
Speaker 2: just added a couple of things this time around.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the ads too.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess as a general perspective, I've worked
Speaker 3: with Kate Scott Kate Abdo.
Speaker 1: I think she's great.
Speaker 3: I think the shows she's on with CBS Sports Colaza
Speaker 3: with Jamie Kerrigher are big meeks and Terry Henree is
Speaker 3: fucking first rate.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it.
Speaker 3: I don't know that there a lot was necessarily added
Speaker 3: to the broadcast in this particular way, nor did I
Speaker 3: expect it to be. It's just a little hard to
Speaker 3: stand out, but they were trying to get it. The
Speaker 3: CBS rub fair enough shost.
Speaker 1: All of them.
Speaker 3: They did a certainly the job that they were tasked
Speaker 3: with doing. The pacing sucked, Dude. The Travis Barker thing,
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, what the fuck is the connection
Speaker 3: between this bullshit? I've interviewed Travis Barker a number of times.
Speaker 3: He is legitimately a huge MMA fan. When I was
Speaker 3: on Serious Exam and I would do their pre fight shows,
Speaker 3: he would call in every single time, and we didn't
Speaker 3: pay the guy, like he just wanted to talk fights.
Speaker 3: It was crazy. So respect to him as an MMA fan.
Speaker 3: He's a real MMA fan and that's legit. But like,
Speaker 3: I don't need to see that shit, especially after you
Speaker 3: do the Warpicks thing. Here's what I will say though,
Speaker 3: and I think you probably agree with this, Jed. They
Speaker 3: one of the key things that they had to do
Speaker 3: this time was make it feel big, and they did,
Speaker 3: and they did it with fucking Patti Pimblet and Justin
Speaker 3: Gatchee as your main event with all the different lights
Speaker 3: in the crowd, and then the curtains dropping on that thing,
Speaker 3: and then there's Bruce ready announce yeah, and then again
Speaker 3: there's little lights that everyone had in the audience do them.
Speaker 3: They made it feel fucking big and that worked for me.
Speaker 3: Whether or not every part of the fight card delivered
Speaker 3: for you or anyone else out there watching fair enough,
Speaker 3: Maybe it was just the main event or whatever your perspective.
Speaker 3: Did the UFC lean into this to make it feel
Speaker 3: like a much larger event than normal and special and
Speaker 3: that it should stand out.
Speaker 1: In your mind.
Speaker 3: I think that they did, and I think that's really
Speaker 3: the most important consideration, including that main event. As you indicated,
Speaker 3: then it was a bit of a success. But I
Speaker 3: do want to talk about the ads because here's my
Speaker 3: view on this. It is absolutely fucking naive to think.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's honestly mathematically possible for
Speaker 3: the Paramount plus service to make money on this deal
Speaker 3: just doing subscription as their play, right, We're just gonna
Speaker 3: make money from how many people sign up. I don't
Speaker 3: know if folks have seen their numbers. Paramount Plus has
Speaker 3: some interesting numbers around sixty to seventy million worldwide, which
Speaker 3: is pretty big. It's a fraction of what Netflix is,
Speaker 3: but it's still pretty big. It's about double or triple
Speaker 3: depending on how you want to measure at ESPN plus.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, they would have to triple
Speaker 3: the amount of subscriptions they have with no churn to
Speaker 3: probably break even on this deal. It's just not possible.
Speaker 3: So the ads are gonna be there. But here's my thing, okay, on.
Speaker 2: This jet same do we have the same thing as
Speaker 2: I do? Have one major criticism.
Speaker 1: I pay for YouTube Premium. I pay for it.
Speaker 3: I don't ever see ads, And as someone on YouTube,
Speaker 3: I recognize that ads is how I make a lot
Speaker 3: of money, But I pay into the premium one so
Speaker 3: that my experience using the service is on interupted, and
Speaker 3: I would pay for a tier where I could watch
Speaker 3: walkouts and I would not have to see again. They
Speaker 3: probably couldn't get rid of all the ad integrations because
Speaker 3: they were doing it like on lower thirds and on
Speaker 3: the sides of screens like during intros. You probably can't
Speaker 3: get rid of those. But if there's a if they
Speaker 3: would make a special tier where I could get rid
Speaker 3: of those other kinds of ads between rounds and walkouts.
Speaker 1: I would pay for that.
Speaker 3: It's just they don't have that available, and so I
Speaker 3: don't know what else to say.
Speaker 1: This is just what it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: So that is my criticism because I don't care about
Speaker 2: the ads. I'll even say I actually and this maybe
Speaker 2: is just because we shifted over and so it is different.
Speaker 2: I got a diversity of ads right that ESPN when
Speaker 2: it was working and wasn't freezing, which credit to Paramount.
Speaker 2: Some other people had problems. I didn't have any issues
Speaker 2: with the streams, so good on them for that. I
Speaker 2: at least got different ads. I got the same three
Speaker 2: ads of ESPN over and over and by the end
Speaker 2: of the night I want to blow my brains out.
Speaker 2: So this is that was nice. The thing that is
Speaker 2: a criticism, and I think a valid one. I signed
Speaker 2: up for the yearly Paramount thing. I was previously a
Speaker 2: month to month but now this is part of my job.
Speaker 2: I'm on the yearly thing. When I signed up for
Speaker 2: the yearly one, I chose the lesser of two because
Speaker 2: they do have two tiers, and as it explains in it,
Speaker 2: the lower tier comes with ads, and I said, okay,
Speaker 2: and the higher tier they say still comes with some
Speaker 2: ads for premium stuff but has fewer ads. And I
Speaker 2: was like, and based on everything I have heard, if
Speaker 2: you paid for the more expensive tier, there was no difference.
Speaker 2: You still got the same ads. And to me, that
Speaker 2: is shitty, Like that's why why even have the Why
Speaker 2: pay fifty dollars a year extra if it's not substantly different,
Speaker 2: especially if I am coming to Paramount for the UFC,
Speaker 2: Because if I was like a random fan and I'd
Speaker 2: never had Paramount Bus and I was like, oh, I'll
Speaker 2: pay the premium, I won't get ads and I'm getting
Speaker 2: the same ads, I'd be pretty upset about that. Right now.
Speaker 3: I'll also say this, and this is you know, I
Speaker 3: don't think this is good and I wouldn't want it
Speaker 3: this way. But one of the things that shocked me
Speaker 3: one time was that I watched just let me go
Speaker 3: through this. I watched a the Colombian national team soccer
Speaker 3: team play. I forget who they were playing, but they
Speaker 3: were playing and I was in Colombia at the time,
Speaker 3: so I was watching the game on national television.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: Dude, during the fucking games, listen to this. During the
Speaker 3: fucking games, They'll play an ad on the screen. It
Speaker 3: won't block up the entire screen, but it takes up
Speaker 3: a lot of real estate. And then the audio goes
Speaker 3: over the top and they kill the audio of the
Speaker 3: broadcast itself, so you just have to hear the commercial
Speaker 3: play through and it doesn't matter what action is happening
Speaker 3: on the field. So they usually play it when the
Speaker 3: ball is like ad midfield or something.
Speaker 1: They kind of strategically wait.
Speaker 3: But I've seen it where they're like they're in scoring
Speaker 3: drives and they're getting close and then they're trying to
Speaker 3: attack and you're hearing like ads for fucking you know,
Speaker 3: Coca Cola or whatever over the top, and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: I hope this is not our few sure. To me,
Speaker 3: it was an enormous amount. They didn't do something like that.
Speaker 3: They didn't interrupt like the integrity of the actual fight
Speaker 3: broadcast during the fights themselves, but it got close to it.
Speaker 3: And I've seen worse. But I'm just hoping that that's
Speaker 3: not a roadmap for the future. I'll just say that.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be real, Matt because of the difference
Speaker 2: of the sport, right, But like I've always thought that
Speaker 2: that's sort of how they should do ads anyway, right,
Speaker 2: especially for live sports, is like give me a constant
Speaker 2: feed of the of the game and you can go
Speaker 2: back like picture and picture, here's the ad with the audio.
Speaker 2: They do it on red zone and they pick like
Speaker 2: the boring time of red zone where nothing's happening. Now
Speaker 2: that red zone has ads, which is bullshit or whatever,
Speaker 2: and they pull it up and here's the ad. But
Speaker 2: you never lose feed. I don't know why they can't
Speaker 2: do that. For the UFC, it's like here, here's the
Speaker 2: cage or whatever is happening, Like the broadcast that would
Speaker 2: be without ads. We just have this Sharman ad running
Speaker 2: with audio for fifteen seconds and that would be fine,
Speaker 2: but like if you're I would at least be better
Speaker 2: and it won't happen as you were putting it for that,
Speaker 2: because the unique dynamic of soccer is it is forty
Speaker 2: five uninterrupted minutes and then another forty five uninterrupted minutes.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna put ads, you gotta go over action.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do that for the fights. You
Speaker 2: can pretty easily parcel it away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for a point, let's talk about, well, actually know
Speaker 3: what Dana was asked about the amount of ads.
Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 10: Obviously, we are no longer on pay per view, so
Speaker 10: where was a bit of a different viewing experience tonight.
Speaker 10: There's a lot of ads during the broadcast, sometimes over
Speaker 10: the walks and sometimes over the corner work. Is that
Speaker 10: something fans are gonna have to get used to or
Speaker 10: is that a work in progress that you'll change?
Speaker 9: I haven't seen it yet, and all of this is
Speaker 9: a work in progress. It's eight ninety nine. You're not
Speaker 9: paying fucking you know. However, much more of these guys
Speaker 9: kind of make some money too.
Speaker 10: So yeah, would that be something that they decide or
Speaker 10: would you watch it back and maybe think, okay, the
Speaker 10: co main event, we should still hear the corner work
Speaker 10: or are you just like listen parent not paid for it.
Speaker 10: They get to decide, Well.
Speaker 9: That is a fact, let's start there. But these guys
Speaker 9: are incredible to work with already, so we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: I mean again, I understand if people aren't used to it.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with data, like, bro, the shit is
Speaker 3: cheap it would you this is the question, right? Ultimately,
Speaker 3: would you rather be back on the ESPN deal and
Speaker 3: then have to pay for pay per views or do
Speaker 3: you want ads? And it's a much cheaper price, and
Speaker 3: I honestly think that most people are gonna be like,
Speaker 3: I'll just live with the ads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's fine.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Again, I I'm surprised they went this heavy this early,
Speaker 2: because usually your first encounter, especially one that was very
Speaker 2: openly about, you know, new new fan acquisition, like this
Speaker 2: was an acquiring event for them for them to not
Speaker 2: just like we're not even gonna have any ads just
Speaker 2: because this is all frontloaded to draw you in and
Speaker 2: then we shit a fhy later. But that's not what
Speaker 2: they did. And I think that's fine, right, because yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't I want to be able to see the
Speaker 2: corners for the biggest fights, so that's annoying. But if
Speaker 2: you want to do this, I feel I'm with Dana,
Speaker 2: and I don't ever say that well, like, yeah, they
Speaker 2: got to find a way to make money, and this
Speaker 2: is this is the price you get. There ain't nothing
Speaker 2: free in life.
Speaker 1: Loop.
Speaker 2: The money's got to come from somewhere.
Speaker 3: Is gonna come from this economics one oh one, there's
Speaker 3: no such thing as a free lunch. Let's talk a
Speaker 3: little bit about the discretionary bonuses. They got rid of them, right,
Speaker 3: So these like backroom bonuses of whatever. They ended up
Speaker 3: being three thousand dollars in terms of what they show.
Speaker 3: But I'm sure they go higher than that, of course,
Speaker 3: and they have gone higher. So instead, what they're doing
Speaker 3: is they're going to change the bonus structure. So anytime,
Speaker 3: here's what it says, our friend the air bron setter
Speaker 3: has the tweet. It goes like this, performance of the
Speaker 3: Night bonuses are going to be raised from fifty grand
Speaker 3: to one hundred grand. Additionally, any fighter who scores a
Speaker 3: KO or submission win just automatically earns a twenty five
Speaker 3: thousand dollars bonus if they were not selected as the
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars bonus winner. Now, not included in
Speaker 3: this tweet is another reality, which is Alex Perez, for example,
Speaker 3: scored a submission win, but he missed weight, so therefore
Speaker 3: he was not eligible for either a performance bonus or
Speaker 3: that twenty five thousand dollars automatic finish bonus. Now I've
Speaker 3: seen some back of the envelope math done by folks
Speaker 3: like John Nash and others, and basically this adds about
Speaker 3: eight and a half million total, give or take to
Speaker 3: the year. The total outlays in this in this bonus program,
Speaker 3: which you know, I mean they were given out seventy
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars bonuses in almost fifteen years ago, which
Speaker 3: if you do the math on inflation, is about one
Speaker 3: hundred and ten thousand dollars today. I don't want to
Speaker 3: come out here and say, oh, it's no big deal
Speaker 3: that they're doubling bonuses or whatnot.
Speaker 1: I do want I just want to say this. I
Speaker 1: just want to say this.
Speaker 3: It's nice that the bonuses are bigger, and it's nice
Speaker 3: that if you get a finish you automatically get a bonus.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that on their face they're bad. What
Speaker 3: I'm asking people to do is stop looking at the
Speaker 3: sticker price and then just do some arithmetic and what
Speaker 3: your notice is this is a total outlay of less
Speaker 3: than the eight that they got at this one event.
Speaker 3: I just hope everyone understands we're talking about chump change
Speaker 3: in a seven point seven billion dollar deal.
Speaker 2: Dude, Luke. This is not true for for the mk fans,
Speaker 2: who are smart, educated, brilliant people. I'm in the comments
Speaker 2: I know of which of them, Yes, all of them. Really,
Speaker 2: they're all the best people. This fan base thinks that
Speaker 2: Josh Josh Hokitt is a genius and a vanguard, and
Speaker 2: like you're expecting them to do the math on inflation.
Speaker 2: Come on, Like, I'm not. I just don't care enough.
Speaker 2: I'm having too good a day to be like, yes,
Speaker 2: this is more, but it's not at all what they're worth.
Speaker 4: It's dope.
Speaker 2: This was like, unambiguously the best thing to happen.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 2: Surrounding the new paramount deal is this because one shifting
Speaker 2: to a finished bonus. I year, for years I have
Speaker 2: been like, what they should do is stop giving performance
Speaker 2: bonuses and give finished bonuses. That's the best way to
Speaker 2: incentivize this sport to be more exciting because I was
Speaker 2: limited and was like, there's just no way they're going
Speaker 2: to add more money and then still do performance bonuses too,
Speaker 2: and shows what I know this new deal, They're like, fine,
Speaker 2: we can do it. Unambiguously good. I think it's weird
Speaker 2: that twenty five is the finished bonus because that's like,
Speaker 2: especially at the high end level of the sport, like
Speaker 2: when you are the championship level fighters, that's a pretty
Speaker 2: insignificant amount to like pursue a finish, right, like nobody,
Speaker 2: nobody in a championship fight is going to try harder
Speaker 2: for twenty five grand. The finishes will be incidental. And
Speaker 2: theoretically this is an incentive bonus, and so I don't
Speaker 2: know why that wouldn't at least be fifty. But dude,
Speaker 2: like Time Miller got a performance bonus, got one hundred grand.
Speaker 2: That's legitimately life changing money for him. Right, he can't
Speaker 2: retire forever, but that's you know, Time Miller Zoom was
Speaker 2: on a ten and ten, twelve and twelve contract and
Speaker 2: he got paid his show and win money, and now
Speaker 2: he got one hundred grand. Taxes and fees come out,
Speaker 2: but he can. Maybe that's the difference between him being
Speaker 2: a professional fighter and a fighter who still goes and
Speaker 2: works at the post office or whatever. So unambiguous win
Speaker 2: for them. I think this is it's long overdue and
Speaker 2: it should be for more, but I'm happy about it.
Speaker 1: Uh A, Long Island is saying it's not for submission.
Speaker 1: My understanding is it's any finish.
Speaker 4: No, sorry, Luke, you misspoke.
Speaker 5: Earlier you said Alex Perez got a submission win and
Speaker 5: he got telling you.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, of course he did not. Yes, I apologize.
Speaker 3: Indeed, not much to say on this dominic Ruz because
Speaker 3: of entering the UFC Hall of Fame again.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure what there is to
Speaker 1: say other than an.
Speaker 3: Easy, easy call about brand who clearly were the higher
Speaker 3: achievers in the sport.
Speaker 1: No issue there, I'm sure I have.
Speaker 2: I have one thought, because I on a easy this
Speaker 2: is there's nobody could argue with it. I do kind
Speaker 2: of wish the UFC would have maybe not like a
Speaker 2: you know, the NFL, it's like a five year waiting period.
Speaker 2: I do think it might be better if there was
Speaker 2: a little bit of a waiting period. As he retired
Speaker 2: last year, let's put him in the hall. He's one.
Speaker 2: You also get fighters unretired. I don't think that's gonna
Speaker 2: happen with dom I'm pretty done, but like you could,
Speaker 2: it might be nicer. Like last year when Mark Kerr
Speaker 2: got inducted. It was like, oh shit, man Mark Kerr
Speaker 2: like it. It was this kind of fun thing, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about his career and the smashing machine
Speaker 2: was happening and stuff. But it felt more celebratory because
Speaker 2: it had been some time as opposed to oh, you're
Speaker 2: obviously going in and you're retired, let's just let's wash
Speaker 2: you through.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, I'd be okay with a bit of a
Speaker 3: waiting time as well, which is again how traditional Hall
Speaker 3: of Fames do it.
Speaker 1: But he was going to go in sooner or later.
Speaker 2: Again that's a nitpick.
Speaker 3: And then, last but not least, here's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: People are complaining about the pacing at UFC three twenty four,
Speaker 3: which fair. Even the UFC Zone Craig Borsorry, I think,
Speaker 3: was tweeting being like, Okay, this is a little bit
Speaker 3: of a special example.
Speaker 1: It won't necessarily be this way going forward.
Speaker 3: But what was interesting was if you watch Zuva boxing,
Speaker 3: the pacing was immediate. I mean their pacing was fantastic.
Speaker 3: Now it was nothing but decision.
Speaker 2: The only good thing about that broadcast.
Speaker 3: Yes, how do you feel about ZUFA Boxing one? What
Speaker 3: did you take away from that?
Speaker 2: Uh, this is not a bit. I fell asleep, I
Speaker 2: was on my couch and I put it on to
Speaker 2: see and my immediate reaction was this is these are
Speaker 2: apex boxing matches, because that's what it was like. It
Speaker 2: just it felt like you put a UFC Patina over
Speaker 2: club level boxing bouts, and I fell asleep and I
Speaker 2: woke up to kalamolsh getting knocked down and winning. Uh,
Speaker 2: and so like it's fine, but if you are not
Speaker 2: a boxing fan, like if you are a UFC fan
Speaker 2: or a fight fan, I don't know that this has
Speaker 2: major appeal.
Speaker 3: At least that has nothing for people were checking MMA
Speaker 3: fans were checking it out.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna last.
Speaker 2: They're not. And I like, here's how you know it's bad.
Speaker 2: Dana was critical, like of the first one. He was
Speaker 2: just like one of our best stuff. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: and maybe it'll get better. Boxing is certainly boxing as
Speaker 2: we know, it is much more star driven than the
Speaker 2: UFC has become a year like over the years. Uh.
Speaker 2: And you know it looks like they got gio Opati.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true or not, but you know,
Speaker 2: there's big names, so that'll be more interesting. But like
Speaker 2: this was this is sort of the worst possible of like, oh,
Speaker 2: here are all the things that might be bad if
Speaker 2: the UFC gets involved. Here it's just more of the same,
Speaker 2: and it it very much felt like that, to say
Speaker 2: nothing of Max Kellerman, who, hey man, I will sell
Speaker 2: out for the right price. Too good, Lord, that was embarrassing.
Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this moment all my life. Luke
Speaker 2: soof of boxing has not been an idea for more
Speaker 2: than like five years. What are we talking about that?
Speaker 1: And the part to me that just drives me nuts
Speaker 1: about him and we can move on. I've said that.
Speaker 3: At this point, but it's like, the thing that drives
Speaker 3: me nuts is he wants to always talk about how
Speaker 3: it's better to have like a governing central not body
Speaker 3: per se, but a promoter who occupies a central role
Speaker 3: as like you know, with the NFL, a rough equivalent
Speaker 3: of what the NFL means.
Speaker 1: For football or NBA for basketball.
Speaker 3: And it's like, fine, I'm not even willing to I'm
Speaker 3: not even opposed to the idea that there can be
Speaker 3: a way which that can be a good system, although
Speaker 3: also not a guarantee. But what I what he never
Speaker 3: ever ever addresses, of course, are the fact that the
Speaker 3: system that they're trying to import from MMA leads to
Speaker 3: a downstream system of you know what you want to
Speaker 3: call an exploitation abuse in the workplace or is in
Speaker 3: terms of wages and how how money is distributed, and
Speaker 3: that this has yielded class action lawsuits and you know,
Speaker 3: generational consternation, and then he just utterly ignores it. And
Speaker 3: it just constantly harps on the one part that yes,
Speaker 3: there could be again to guarantee there could be some
Speaker 3: benefit from it. It just drives me nuts. But I've
Speaker 3: said enough on him. So whatever, you know, I guess
Speaker 3: he's got bills to pay.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm not knocking that. I'm sure that that check
Speaker 2: is good. But my biggest thought was, like, man, that
Speaker 2: check must be real good. He's just laying it on.
Speaker 2: He is laying it on thick.
Speaker 1: He just won't stop. All right.
Speaker 3: That is our top five. But now it is time
Speaker 3: for all of you to ask us questions. It's time
Speaker 3: for dms from donks. And the donkey has ejaculated, all right,
Speaker 3: So this is how it works. On Sundays, we ask
Speaker 3: you guys on ig for your questions.
Speaker 1: You can do that at morning.
Speaker 3: I think it's morning combat on Instagram. Let's go first
Speaker 3: to our friend at put it up on the screen.
Speaker 3: I want to read it this way from MMA fan Belfast.
Speaker 3: I would love to go to Belfast first, Jose Aldo
Speaker 3: and now justin Gaichie. How are why do such unbelievable
Speaker 3: leg kickers turn into headhunters? For me, jed he wanted
Speaker 3: to be in boxing range more and I know he
Speaker 3: can kick at close range, but to me, this was
Speaker 3: purposeful about being inside of punching range and then denying
Speaker 3: the kind of space where Patty can also do that
Speaker 3: kind of a work. More broadly is a different conversation,
Speaker 3: but in this particular fight, I understand it.
Speaker 1: Actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like people on Finnite were very into this, and
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that makes sense to me that
Speaker 2: he wouldn't do this one Like, I know that kicking
Speaker 2: is a very good weapon, and we start. He started
Speaker 2: to do that in the later rounds a little bit,
Speaker 2: but mainly it was Patty can kick with me, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. Also, if I kick him,
Speaker 2: the likelihood of be getting taken down is it goes up,
Speaker 2: and that's how I'm going to lose this fight. So
Speaker 2: this was a strategic thing of not going to As
Speaker 2: the fight wore on and it became very evident Patty
Speaker 2: wasn't getting him down, he started to open up the
Speaker 2: kicks a little more, maybe not as much as you want,
Speaker 2: but also like I don't know about the whole head
Speaker 2: hunting thing. I would much prefer to see him throw
Speaker 2: to the b a lot more because I've always thought
Speaker 2: she just doesn't do that nearly enough, especially how the
Speaker 2: rest of his game works.
Speaker 4: Would be huge.
Speaker 2: But it's not like he was head hunting and missing.
Speaker 2: He kept head hunting and killing him. So keep doing it.
Speaker 2: But then you go back and look at the stats,
Speaker 2: like against PHYSIV, he didn't throw that many. Against Max,
Speaker 2: he threw like forty or something like. This isn't This
Speaker 2: is not a Jose Aldo full blown. One of my
Speaker 2: best weapons is just something I no longer use, which
Speaker 2: was always a little weird for Aldo. I think this
Speaker 2: was just a strategic decision for this matchup.
Speaker 3: From Brantendo sixty four, he says is the last generation
Speaker 3: of the lightweight division, the most stubborn old guard in
Speaker 3: UFC history. That's a good question. I feel like they've
Speaker 3: only lost to each other or potential goats. John Jones
Speaker 3: decimated two oh five, and it's never been the same
Speaker 3: since heavyweight they kind of aged out. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: think who was stubborn and on their way out the door.
Speaker 3: This is one of the biggest examples of.
Speaker 4: Them, So.
Speaker 2: I agree with the premise the heart of this question,
Speaker 2: because yes, like they're good, but again, look at the
Speaker 2: women's bandam Waight top fifteen. It's been the same for
Speaker 2: fifteen years, Like that old guard is hanging around, But
Speaker 2: that's more reflection of how bad the division is. Lightweight
Speaker 2: still whips. These guys are just incredible all.
Speaker 3: Timers from fit Man Eats. Thoughts on the canceled bout
Speaker 3: due to the investigation, we kind of covered this one.
Speaker 1: I'll just say this.
Speaker 3: I didn't say this during when we were talking about it.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying to the UC couldn't have been more
Speaker 3: proactive about early in the week kind of flagging that
Speaker 3: this might have been an issue, and they had probably
Speaker 3: had some indication that there was an injury. However, what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say is if a betting firm goes to
Speaker 3: them and says we have suspicious betting and then they
Speaker 3: pull the fight, that is a good thing and that
Speaker 3: is the correct decision. And they made the correct decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, this was like, this is how
Speaker 2: it should work optimally, Because I don't know how much
Speaker 2: they knew that an injury was possible, right, Like they
Speaker 2: do medicals, but fighters lie on medicals all the time.
Speaker 2: Michaels being famously pretended he had working eyeballs and would
Speaker 2: still fly through. So like maybe they just straight up
Speaker 2: didn't know. But I, you know, in a very purely
Speaker 2: hypothetical scenario, I am interested in, like the downstream effects
Speaker 2: of the UFC just canceling bouts based on hearsay and
Speaker 2: or you know, line movement, because like, what does that
Speaker 2: look like? Luke, let me ask you this. It's easy
Speaker 2: and correct to pull this fight one hundred percent agree,
Speaker 2: What if that line movement was in the main event,
Speaker 2: would they have done the same thing for the marquee
Speaker 2: bout as opposed to random prelim bout.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Probably the answer is probably not.
Speaker 3: However, to their credits, the wrong word, and it's not
Speaker 3: even a benefit per se.
Speaker 1: But the way in which whoever is getting.
Speaker 3: These fighters to throw fights, and again people can use
Speaker 3: their imagination, they're picking on a certain class a fighter,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, rather than that's been the.
Speaker 2: Case through the history of throwing fights. But like, I
Speaker 2: wish somebody had asked Dana when he said this, because
Speaker 2: like we said, fully agree with the choice, but I
Speaker 2: wonder where the line is on which fights they would
Speaker 2: do and not do. If shawna Valley saw a Dong
Speaker 2: had it that's not the main event, maybe they would
Speaker 2: have pulled it if suddenly, you know, the line moved
Speaker 2: two hundred points there it is. I think that this
Speaker 2: is broadly the correct decision. I'm interested in, basically what
Speaker 2: it means that betting patterns can dictate whether a fight
Speaker 2: happens or not.
Speaker 3: Now, all right, let's move to the next one from
Speaker 3: flannels and JITs. After seeing the first show, what are
Speaker 3: your expectations for what the paramount era will be for
Speaker 3: the UFC. I wouldn't read too much into the first event,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, not yet anyway. Let's I
Speaker 3: think a pattern has to emerge before everyone can just
Speaker 3: be ready for what it all means.
Speaker 2: I think I learned nothing from this that I didn't
Speaker 2: already know. It's going to be the same. The UC
Speaker 2: has not grown to what they are because they are
Speaker 2: an amorphis shifting into tea. They have staked their claim
Speaker 2: they are what they are. They brought much of their
Speaker 2: production team over to CBS. There might be some new things,
Speaker 2: some a bell and whistle here, or there. But this
Speaker 2: is going to be the same UFC you've been watching,
Speaker 2: just at a different price point in America.
Speaker 3: Last, but not least from MJ Silverfang. Will you guys
Speaker 3: make Jed actually shower and brush his teeth for the
Speaker 3: next pregame preview?
Speaker 2: Jed, I did shower. I'm showered right now.
Speaker 1: Do you brush those fangs?
Speaker 2: Look, we don't need to talk about my dental hygiene,
Speaker 2: but I did shower. I showered last time.
Speaker 3: I have brushed my teeth, but I have not showered,
Speaker 3: so I look you look that look fantastic. Uh A
Speaker 3: long Island, Luke. I'm sorry to do this. I need
Speaker 3: one more time. There are children running in and out
Speaker 3: of my house, and I need to go see if
Speaker 3: I need to call the cops very quickly because.
Speaker 4: I don't children.
Speaker 1: You added another for folks who don't know.
Speaker 3: It's a fucking snow day and I have neighborhood kids everywhere.
Speaker 1: And then there's I can just have it.
Speaker 3: You guys have one of those things more when the
Speaker 3: door opens, there's like it's not an alarm, but it's
Speaker 3: like the front door open. Yeah, and all I hear
Speaker 3: when you guys are when Jed's talking. All I hear
Speaker 3: is front door open, front door open, back door open,
Speaker 3: front door open, back door open.
Speaker 1: I'm like, back door open.
Speaker 2: I'll be right, go chack gun and I'll put Jeb
Speaker 2: love it when the back door's open. Yeah, long island, Luke,
Speaker 2: what's going on?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: Nothing? We do have one more segment, Jed.
Speaker 5: I know I can't put us both on screen right now,
Speaker 5: which is unfortunate because else is bull. But either way
Speaker 5: it is higher or lower. Guys, we did do it
Speaker 5: last what Friday with Oscar? Or two fridays ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did two Fridays. We did last Friday.
Speaker 4: I was there. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So half of them are silly. Half of them are
Speaker 5: combat sport it's related. Most of them are combat sports related.
Speaker 5: All of them, dare I say, are combat sports related.
Speaker 5: But either way it should be fun. Elt looks like
Speaker 5: he's back all right, I'm back all right.
Speaker 3: Of course your back door open, both of them, fucking
Speaker 3: both of them.
Speaker 1: It's five degrees in my living room right now. This
Speaker 1: is amazing.
Speaker 4: I mean, sounds comfortable.
Speaker 2: ELTI very inviting, what a very inviting home you have?
Speaker 5: Come on in, Elt, We're playing higher or lower again.
Speaker 5: So Okay, here it is higher or lower?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 5: Eltie Europe first, but obviously Jed feel free to chime
Speaker 5: in as well. Sean O'Malley obviously might be next for
Speaker 5: pyotr Jan, but he said he's willing to wait for
Speaker 5: the Yon Morob trilogy to play out. So higher lower
Speaker 5: than one and a half the amount of fights Sean
Speaker 5: O'Malley will have for the remainder of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: I'll take the under one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna have one.
Speaker 4: And who is it gonna be against?
Speaker 2: I'm saying Umar because I believe Look I call. I
Speaker 2: didn't really in my heart think Justin Gage is going
Speaker 2: to beat Patty Pimlet, but I just kept saying he
Speaker 2: would do it. I'm I'm very in on the secret
Speaker 2: and speaking truth to power. So let's let's go for Umar.
Speaker 2: Let's make it happen, all right.
Speaker 5: But see, I feel like if he fights Umar, win
Speaker 5: or lose, he's probably gonna fight again in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Six, because he's not gonna fight Umar until like the summer,
Speaker 2: and then he'll just be out for a while because
Speaker 2: then he'll be either waiting for a title fight or
Speaker 2: contemplating his career future.
Speaker 5: All right, jud this one's for you. We obviously know
Speaker 5: you're a big fan of the Georgia Bulldogs. We know
Speaker 5: everyone you know you bark when you're a Georgia Bullet.
Speaker 5: Oh O go dogs. Yeah, we also know John Silva
Speaker 5: is a big fan of barking. So higher lower than
Speaker 5: three and a half the amount of times you barked
Speaker 5: along with John Silva during fight week zero.
Speaker 2: I love Jean Silva a whole lot, except for his
Speaker 2: gimmicks are the gim of surfing on a dude A plus.
Speaker 2: We love that. The most that he communicates exclusively through
Speaker 2: barking is it's a bit tedious at this point in time, right.
Speaker 1: He's got to do what?
Speaker 3: Why are his nipples the size of pencil erasers?
Speaker 1: I mean, they're very, very tilting to me.
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta tell you, I have not spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time dissecting the nipples of Jean Silvo.
Speaker 2: You and I watch fights in a different way.
Speaker 3: My friend, Yeah, Well, I got a big ass screen
Speaker 3: right in front of me, and my man's out there
Speaker 3: cutting glass with those things, and I was like, that's
Speaker 3: a lot I need to see.
Speaker 2: All that is men's featherweight. Luke's BC's strawweight. Is that
Speaker 2: what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: He's like, God, they have the best nipples in thatis that?
Speaker 2: Those are some pretty sick areolas on John Silva.
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't say that. I just know those things
Speaker 3: stuck out and it was annoying. All right, let's be
Speaker 3: let's calm calm your tits. How about that?
Speaker 1: Do that?
Speaker 2: Lt.
Speaker 5: Dana obviously admitted we talked about it, that the Johnson
Speaker 5: Hernandez fight was canceled after receiving a call from the
Speaker 5: Gaming Integrity Service. We know that they also reached out
Speaker 5: for the Dulgarian del Ville fight last year, but that
Speaker 5: was really the first time we've ever heard of them
Speaker 5: being in the spotlight reaching out to the UFC. It
Speaker 5: makes me think of how many times they've reached out
Speaker 5: and the UFC just brushed it under the rug. So
Speaker 5: my question to you is higher lower than four and
Speaker 5: a half the amount of calls Dana has gotten from
Speaker 5: the Gaming in Integrity Service in the last ten years.
Speaker 3: Take the over on that one, yeah, okay, to take
Speaker 3: the over on that one hard, all right?
Speaker 4: So what are you thinking?
Speaker 5: What what would have been a better higher or lower.
Speaker 1: Like what what should double that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think at least once a year.
Speaker 1: In the last ten years, at least.
Speaker 4: Once, yes, yeah, yeah, Jed, you're integrations.
Speaker 3: Or at least on average, I mean because obviously you
Speaker 3: know gay or you know, but daily fantasy and then
Speaker 3: turning that into you know, more recreational gambling is relatively new,
Speaker 3: so but on average you have to be harder than that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Jed, this one's for you.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: Lewis obviously didn't look great on Saturday, but heavyweight is
Speaker 5: so bad that I still think at forty years old,
Speaker 5: he is a viable resource. So my question to you,
Speaker 5: you can pull up the rankings if you need to
Speaker 5: higher or lower than seven and a half the amount
Speaker 5: of top fifteen heavyweights you would favor Derek Lewis to
Speaker 5: win over I mean.
Speaker 2: A top fifteen. So basically, can he beat more than
Speaker 2: half of the current ranked heavyweights. I'm going to reflexively
Speaker 2: say I would favor him fewer, but let's go through
Speaker 2: it real fast. I assume we're counting Tom Asmol as
Speaker 2: a champion. No zero gone, no Volkov, no Pavovich, no Blades,
Speaker 2: no WCA, no, I'll made a no. I mean he
Speaker 2: has lost to all of these. Yeah, it was just
Speaker 2: this point, so that's seven right there, seven straight.
Speaker 4: No, but look at this back half. Look at this
Speaker 4: back half.
Speaker 2: I mean he can't count himself. Spevac no Delia, I
Speaker 2: mean no, not off that laud performance. Tibera, No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. He could beat them, Like, once we
Speaker 2: get past Spevac, It's like he could beat these people.
Speaker 2: I still wouldn't favor him against Daliya, Tibera, Kadziev. I
Speaker 2: know he lost to ty To Ivasa, but like they
Speaker 2: kind of should just fight again because they're both in shambles. Yeah,
Speaker 2: big part, like I under by a mile.
Speaker 4: All right, I would have thought that was a good line.
Speaker 2: I would favor him against Talison to Shaa because he
Speaker 2: just beat him.
Speaker 1: LT.
Speaker 4: We know you didn't want to see debt and co
Speaker 4: at the sphere with PC, but I would rather get
Speaker 4: fucked to death.
Speaker 5: Okay, but you did that, so that means you you
Speaker 5: want to get very specific.
Speaker 1: No, that's not what that means.
Speaker 3: That means that, given the choice I had to I
Speaker 3: had a debt to pay, Remember, I lost a bet,
Speaker 3: I had to go do it.
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 5: Well, either way, I'm going to assume when you go
Speaker 5: see a band you actually like that, you probably have
Speaker 5: some gummies in your tummy.
Speaker 1: So sure.
Speaker 4: My question to you was at.
Speaker 5: The sphere specifically high or lower than ninety nine and
Speaker 5: a half milligrams the amount of delta eight you had
Speaker 5: you ate before dead and coo at the spear.
Speaker 3: Oh brother, I mean you ever seen those cartoons when
Speaker 3: they're at the fair and they take the hammer and
Speaker 3: then they hit the thing and then it shoots up
Speaker 3: and it dings at the top. Buddy, you could do
Speaker 3: that one hundred times in a row. Take the motherfucking
Speaker 3: over on this one.
Speaker 4: Were talking how many hundreds?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I started at one hundred before
Speaker 3: we even got there, all.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, that that's what I meant, like before you
Speaker 4: got no, but like we were there.
Speaker 3: So the way it worked was we got there early
Speaker 3: and they had tickets for us because one of the
Speaker 3: obviously BC was friends with one of the guys who
Speaker 3: was in the vand and then we hung out with
Speaker 3: them kind of not backstage, but like in a private area,
Speaker 3: and then there was even more to indulge at that point.
Speaker 3: So by the time the fight started, the fights I'm
Speaker 3: sorry the concert started.
Speaker 1: I was, I mean, how are dead and come?
Speaker 2: But he's nipples?
Speaker 4: Do you have any?
Speaker 1: John? Old guys?
Speaker 3: And they were mercifully they were clothed. What I will
Speaker 3: tell you is, bro, have you ever been to like
Speaker 3: it's a year from Georgia. You ever been to like
Speaker 3: a widespread panic concert?
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I'm not I'm not happy about that, but.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's a what do white guys who are
Speaker 3: in middle age who are not into gospel but like
Speaker 3: to just sway when they stand when they're listening to me?
Speaker 3: They do they go to shows like this one.
Speaker 1: That's what.
Speaker 2: This is a good move, like you just you're rocking along?
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was it looked like people people are like putting
Speaker 3: their hands up like this, you know. It looked like
Speaker 3: gospel just no religion whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It was. It was interesting.
Speaker 2: Everyone has their own different kinds of religion.
Speaker 3: And I was like, where are you pussy's gonna mash,
Speaker 3: but get the fuck out my way?
Speaker 5: And then they started rowing, uh, John, I want to.
Speaker 2: See fucking Luke Thomas pushing fifty mahing Still.
Speaker 3: No, I'm too old for that shit. But I've told
Speaker 3: the story before. This is not a joke. The last
Speaker 3: time I saw Cannibal Corpse, this is really true. I
Speaker 3: saw them at the Filmore in Silver Spring, Maryland, and
Speaker 3: there was a girl down there in the middle of
Speaker 3: this smash pit and a dude, I'm straight up just
Speaker 3: knuckling up with everyone.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking, you.
Speaker 3: Know, flailing, no bawling up the fist and just socking
Speaker 3: dudes in the face with it. And then I saw
Speaker 3: her get swallowed by the pit and then I never
Speaker 3: saw her the rest of the time we were there.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what kind of rules of the
Speaker 3: jungle that they allow at these shows, but it was
Speaker 3: it was a little concerning.
Speaker 4: They sacrificed her later that night.
Speaker 1: It probably did jed.
Speaker 4: This one's for you.
Speaker 5: John Silva probably has a legit argument for getting the
Speaker 5: next title shot, right if especially if they book Murphy Ofloyev,
Speaker 5: which is rumored to be happening in March. Nothing official,
Speaker 5: but without that fight taking place, they may still give
Speaker 5: it to him either way, because it's.
Speaker 4: John Silva, He's marketable or whatever.
Speaker 5: So my question to you higher lower than the amount
Speaker 5: of fights John Silva will need to take before.
Speaker 4: Getting a title shot.
Speaker 2: This is a good line. I'm taking the over. I
Speaker 2: think depending on how Vulk Lopez goes, what Vulk does
Speaker 2: with his career after that, and injury situation, John Silva
Speaker 2: could get there. I think it is unlikely. I think
Speaker 2: it's more likely he has to fight one more time
Speaker 2: and he'll do it and then he'll fight for the
Speaker 2: belt after that. So I'm taking the over.
Speaker 1: Lt I'll take the over.
Speaker 3: I'll take the over because, especially if Vulk loses and
Speaker 3: there's any kind of controversy about it, I don't think
Speaker 3: they're just gonna slot in Silva.
Speaker 5: No, all right, but I feel like, all right, you
Speaker 5: guys might be right. I was gonna say win or lose.
Speaker 5: I feel like they're just gonna give John Silva the
Speaker 5: title shot. I just I could see it.
Speaker 3: I mean again, I do think that is We're definitely
Speaker 3: a thing that you need to consider.
Speaker 2: Like it is definitely in play. If Vulk being yes
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 1: The line you're setting is the right one, I'll put it.
Speaker 2: There's also a timing issue because if they do do
Speaker 2: I said do do do and I said do do?
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 2: If they do end up going with movsar versus Murphy
Speaker 2: the winner of that is very clearly going to be
Speaker 2: the next guy, unless the timing does not work out
Speaker 2: at all. But you know that fight won't be in
Speaker 2: six weeks or whatever. It's not like that time he
Speaker 2: is that bad, So true, U.
Speaker 4: LT back to you.
Speaker 5: Ilia said recently that he's willing to come back in April,
Speaker 5: though obviously nothing is official, and with Justin winning the
Speaker 5: interim belt, maybe that increases the likelihood of that fight
Speaker 5: being at the White House, considering Justin is an American.
Speaker 5: So my question to you is higher or lower than
Speaker 5: five and a half the amount of months before we
Speaker 5: see Ilia versus Justin Gagee, This would put us at
Speaker 5: like mid June. All right, No, I guess it would
Speaker 5: put us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, would mid jun because it's basically six months a
Speaker 3: little less than six months.
Speaker 4: But it's also basically oh yeah, yeah, mid June.
Speaker 3: I mean it's I'll take the over, maybe barely, maybe barely,
Speaker 3: but I'll take the over.
Speaker 4: I think that you don't think it's happening at the
Speaker 4: White House.
Speaker 1: Well I think it is happening at the White House.
Speaker 1: So how do I answer this?
Speaker 5: Well, let's just say under for the White House, because
Speaker 5: that's like Okay, under.
Speaker 2: The line is the White House card?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: After the White House?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have put in five or something.
Speaker 4: You know, whatever I mean. Is it happening on the
Speaker 4: White House or after the White House?
Speaker 1: My view as it happens at the White House.
Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, Jed, I'll take the over.
Speaker 2: I think I'm probably wrong, but I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just I'm not entirely confident Ily is going to come
Speaker 2: back as quickly as he's maybe talked about. He's got
Speaker 2: some stuff going on in his life and he might
Speaker 2: just wait a little bit.
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I think that Ilia is taking longer than we're gonna
Speaker 5: we realize right now, and this fight doesn't happening anytime soon.
Speaker 5: But you know, Jed, a lot of fans were unhappy
Speaker 5: with the amount of ads. Obviously, we talked about it,
Speaker 5: Dana replying by saying, it's only eight ninety nine.
Speaker 4: What do you expect.
Speaker 5: So, whether it's from annoyed fans wanting less ads, or
Speaker 5: from Data himself or the company themselves deciding they need
Speaker 5: more money per customer, a price increase is obviously inevitable,
Speaker 5: so higher lower than eighty nine and a half days,
Speaker 5: the amount of days before the next price increase on
Speaker 5: Paramount plus high.
Speaker 2: I mean, they just they just knocked up their prices
Speaker 2: like at the start of this year. It'll one will come,
Speaker 2: It'll just come at the start of next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll do the annual Oh we're gonna bump this
Speaker 3: up to blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Did ESPN I feel like they do midyear bumps all
Speaker 4: the time? Did they not?
Speaker 1: They did, they did.
Speaker 3: But remember they started at four ninety nine, like we're
Speaker 3: already at eight ninety nine, and then thirteen ninety.
Speaker 5: Nine for free pay per views.
Speaker 2: So the difference is ESPN's bumps to my recollection, their
Speaker 2: bumps were always pay per view price point bumps as
Speaker 2: opposed to like our sub feed bump.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: And it's like Netflix, Like Netflix does it I pay.
Speaker 2: I used to pay eight dollars or whatever, and I
Speaker 2: paid twenty six or whatever it is. Yeah, but it
Speaker 2: usually comes as an annual email like the one I
Speaker 2: got from Paramount being like your price is going up. True,
Speaker 2: and so I assume that it will happen. It will
Speaker 2: happen in December, all right, LT during.
Speaker 5: Your live chot on Thursday and during MK on Friday,
Speaker 5: you showed everyone you were drinking sugar free A and
Speaker 5: W Roopier. Yes, obviously you must have got a twelve
Speaker 5: pack of it recently or something. So my question to
Speaker 5: you is higher lower than five and a half the
Speaker 5: amount of sugar free A and W roopiers you've drank
Speaker 5: in the last three days.
Speaker 1: Take the five men I might have had all twelve
Speaker 1: in the last three days.
Speaker 4: All right, this is what I was curious abou. Do
Speaker 4: you drink multiple in a day? Because you just kept
Speaker 4: pulling up?
Speaker 3: Typically one a day, but like when fights get closer,
Speaker 3: it's two and sometimes three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all right, Jad you a soda guy at all.
Speaker 4: I like soda.
Speaker 2: I don't like sugarless flavorless motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Bro,
Speaker 3: nonut sweeteners are so much better than they used to be.
Speaker 2: I can confidently say I have never tried it. So
Speaker 2: it just possible that have.
Speaker 1: You had that mountain zero sugar? No?
Speaker 2: I haven't, I don't. I gotta tell you, I don't
Speaker 2: know the last time I had a mountain dew.
Speaker 1: In general, mountain do zero sugar is tremendo.
Speaker 2: I used to drink mountain dew because it had high caffeine,
Speaker 2: and then they everyone just started making fucking energy drink.
Speaker 2: So I don't need that.
Speaker 3: Do you know mountain dew? I think it is banned
Speaker 3: in the UK. No, it's not banned, but it's labeled
Speaker 3: as an energy drink in the UK because of it's
Speaker 3: caffeine content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that tracks. It's that ship was like Surge only
Speaker 2: only still around.
Speaker 5: So a big jolt guy oh.
Speaker 2: Man, Joel, I haven't thought of jolt years.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe this. I found this out. Colombia's got
Speaker 3: a soda called Roman Cola with a K. It predates
Speaker 3: Coca Cola. It was it was founded earlier than them,
Speaker 3: which I was shocked to.
Speaker 4: Hear on the bottle.
Speaker 1: Roman. I don't know, not, not not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 2: How do we think that pairs with rum? It's good?
Speaker 1: Oh it'sncola. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I'll say that, Yes,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 5: Jed Geechie has said one more Ko loss and he's done.
Speaker 5: Trevor Whitman has said one more loss and he's done.
Speaker 5: Ilia fight obviously should be next. But there is a
Speaker 5: world justin wins. There's also a world, Ilia stays on
Speaker 5: the sidelines for however long, and Justin fights someone else.
Speaker 5: And there's also a world that even with a loss,
Speaker 5: Justin continues fighting. So my question to you is higher
Speaker 5: lower than one and a half the amount of fights
Speaker 5: Justin Gatchie will have for the remainder of his career over.
Speaker 2: I think he's talked about it. I don't think we
Speaker 2: have that many. Assuming he loses to Ilia. I think
Speaker 2: he'll think about it, and then he'll want a couple
Speaker 2: of things, because he's spoken pretty open like he wants
Speaker 2: he wants another crack at Max and the BMF belt,
Speaker 2: And we hadn't talked about it at all today. But uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys saw this last night,
Speaker 2: old Dustin Pourier out here out here commenting, posting saying
Speaker 2: I'd come back to fight Justin Gatgee one more time,
Speaker 2: and so like that kind of feels that feels like
Speaker 2: the perfect end of his career. Right he loses to Ilia,
Speaker 2: he fights Max one more, however that goes, and then
Speaker 2: ends his career with the trilogy about with Porier sign
Speaker 2: me up for that ship?
Speaker 3: I think, I think I think if if to Pooria's
Speaker 3: next and to Poria ices him, U like, like puts
Speaker 3: him out cold.
Speaker 1: I think that might be the end.
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand it's I do think it's a
Speaker 2: good over under I understand your point, Luke. I'll just say,
Speaker 2: this is Mma who actually retires in this sport, true
Speaker 2: and justin like you know, he got the face plant
Speaker 2: Ko against Max and acts like that and never he's like,
Speaker 2: if I got knocked out bad, you know I'm done.
Speaker 4: It's like you you've already been knocked out bad, you know.
Speaker 2: To to his defense, his original thesis was always I've
Speaker 2: got five wars left in me, and he's now had
Speaker 2: three of them, so he's still got two left in
Speaker 2: the chamber to wars and or bad losses.
Speaker 4: LT. This one's for you.
Speaker 5: You once said you watch Volkanovski Holloway two forty nine times.
Speaker 1: Yes, famously, And while the other.
Speaker 2: Two fights weren't nearly as kind.
Speaker 1: Guys are you? Guys are dumb? I want you both
Speaker 1: to know that.
Speaker 5: The other two fights, Luke, weren't nearly as controversial, but
Speaker 5: you often neglect to mention how many times you've watched them,
Speaker 5: so higher or lower than nine and a half the
Speaker 5: amount of times combined that you've watched Volkanovsky Holloway one
Speaker 5: and three.
Speaker 3: No, it'd be the over because I watched the first
Speaker 3: one a lot, and I know I watched the third
Speaker 3: one because of how one sided it was at least
Speaker 3: six or seven times. So between those two it's gotta
Speaker 3: be over ten.
Speaker 5: If you're not doing tape study, how often do you
Speaker 5: rewatch a fight? Like what's an average your every day
Speaker 5: Let's say, like John Silva, Arnold Allen?
Speaker 4: How many times are you going to watch that back.
Speaker 1: Only for I mean only for tape study purposes of
Speaker 1: this one? All right? So yeah, all right, Like.
Speaker 3: If there's I mean, I'll rewatch classic bouts or fun
Speaker 3: bouts or you know, I'll go down memory lane. But
Speaker 3: just it's just it's just it's not really it's just
Speaker 3: a question of how much time I have. And because
Speaker 3: my time is dude, I've got kids running through my
Speaker 3: goddamn living room leaving the fridge door open, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like it's like I don't have time
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, what fun little adventure am I
Speaker 3: going to go down today? It's like, Okay, I've got
Speaker 3: to do tape studdy for X, Y and Z.
Speaker 1: I'm going to focus on that.
Speaker 5: I did do the math on you watching Volkanowski Holloway
Speaker 5: two forty nine times, and it came out to roughly
Speaker 5: twenty three hours, I believe.
Speaker 3: So no, no, As I explained at the time, it's
Speaker 3: not totally right. I counted each time I fired up
Speaker 3: another like like tape session. So I may not have
Speaker 3: watched in a full tape session the entire five rounds.
Speaker 3: I may have watched rounds two and three, or I
Speaker 3: may have watched just the championship rounds, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So, so it's a it's an amalgamation of shorter stints
Speaker 3: than that.
Speaker 5: All right, Uh? Jed last one for you, John Silva.
Speaker 5: Obviously he rode the back of Arnold Allen. We all
Speaker 5: thought it was funny, like he was a damn surfboard.
Speaker 5: In the waiting seconds of their about on Saturday. It
Speaker 5: got me thinking, has Jed ever surfed before?
Speaker 1: So higher?
Speaker 5: Lower than three and a half the amount of time
Speaker 5: in seconds you could smurf A smurf surf a small wave.
Speaker 2: I couldn't smurf shit a small wave. I can.
Speaker 4: I can get up.
Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up on the coast there's not
Speaker 2: like a lot of great surfing in Savannah. But like
Speaker 2: I grew up on the coast, I did a lot
Speaker 2: of bodyboarding, much on boogie boarding because the waves are
Speaker 2: just not big enough.
Speaker 4: Counting that we're talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I have and am capable, I mean
Speaker 2: I haven't done it in years. I assume I am
Speaker 2: still have the baseline level of coordination to surf a
Speaker 2: small wave for more than three and a half seconds.
Speaker 2: But I'm not like dropping in a pipe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I didn't think so that's why I
Speaker 5: put the over under a three. Yeah, lt you can
Speaker 5: put my big ass on the under. Yeah, trust that.
Speaker 5: I figured you were uncoordinated like that. No offense.
Speaker 4: But anyways, guys, that was higher.
Speaker 2: I could serve for human far less though, like I
Speaker 2: couldn't do what John Silva did, which was cool.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 5: I put on my Instagram story someone made like an
Speaker 5: AI thing where he starts riding Arnold Allen.
Speaker 4: It turns into a skateboard he's at the skate park.
Speaker 4: That's so good, so fucking good. But that was higher
Speaker 4: lower guys, hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did all right, very good?
Speaker 3: Uh, which now I think that's it that brings us
Speaker 3: to the end of the show.
Speaker 1: Well done.
Speaker 3: Uh, Jed, I saw your article. It is up on
Speaker 3: MMA fighting dot com. Why don't you plug your work dope?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, mmefin dot com. It's a great website.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: We have a but after action report for UOC three
Speaker 2: four you can get more thoughts on mine there and
Speaker 2: or other people at the thing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys know this. There's a
Speaker 2: pay per view this week and.
Speaker 1: Are you guys sending anybody?
Speaker 2: No, we because it's in Australia. Who came decision not
Speaker 2: to which also super worked out because normally be Jose Jose,
Speaker 2: like Chuck strained it right now so he maybe it
Speaker 2: would actually be fine because maybe he just fly directly
Speaker 2: to Australia instead of trying to fly back. But no,
Speaker 2: no one going to be boots on the ground for
Speaker 2: this one. But we're going to do the same stuff.
Speaker 2: We will have between the links on Thursday. At some
Speaker 2: point me and Chuck Minden Hall got to get it
Speaker 2: on on prop quiz Long Island since Luke Thomas is
Speaker 2: a coward and refuses to face me.
Speaker 4: Yes, I see You're coming around as soon as we
Speaker 4: signed off. I'm convincing you we're doing it this.
Speaker 3: If you start opening up the topics to things that
Speaker 3: you know I studied in great detail, then yes.
Speaker 4: Deal done, that's it. We're done. We're doing it.
Speaker 2: Uh So if all of the topics are just the
Speaker 2: Max Holloway Volk too, we're good.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: So I did the very first episode and it was
Speaker 3: things like it was like there was a little bit
Speaker 3: like a bit of a DC trivia or history trivia,
Speaker 3: and I smoked all that it was. Then it was like, ah,
Speaker 3: what was the seventeen significant strike Throne by Oladay Osborne
Speaker 3: and his Contender series Round three perform out?
Speaker 1: How the funck? Should I know? I don't pay attention
Speaker 1: to that level of it.
Speaker 4: Come a long way, Luke. We're twenty five. This will
Speaker 4: be the twenty fifth episode. You know I've gotten a
Speaker 4: lot better mayhem question you So yeah, thank you?
Speaker 3: All right, very good. So go to MMA Fighting dot Com.
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Speaker 3: get those until January thirty first at eleven fifty nine
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Speaker 3: me and Jed Mishu.
Speaker 1: And that's it.
Speaker 3: So Chuck sends his regards that he couldn't make it,
Speaker 3: but I think he'll be back. Well, he's still not home.
Speaker 3: I don't know when he's gonna get home, but hopefully
Speaker 3: he'll be home soon and we'll get him on air
Speaker 3: either this Friday or the following Monday. But Jet, thank
Speaker 3: you so much for filling in. We really appreciate a
Speaker 3: great job today. And yeah, stay tuned WMA Fighting dot
Speaker 3: com for more of Jed's work. Thank you guys so
Speaker 3: much for tuning in today. We really appreciate it. So
Speaker 3: for Long Island.
Speaker 1: Luke, that's Jedmashue. I'm Luke Thomas. We'll see you next time,
Speaker 1: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal