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Speaker 2: This is all life, this is our passion.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas. I'm this this morning combat.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome inside everyone, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 3: It is cold where I am. It is cold for

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me on this twenty

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Speaker 3: sixth day of two thousand twenty six. We have a

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Speaker 3: three twenty four. Let me first bring in my co host.

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Speaker 1: For the day.

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Speaker 3: Now you might be like, wow, Chuck Minnenhall has really

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Speaker 3: altered his appearance in short order. Old Charles got stuck

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Speaker 3: in the winter storm. He's okay, everyone, don't worry. But

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Speaker 3: we couldn't actually make it for him to do the

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Speaker 3: in reinforcements from MMA fighting dot Com.

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Speaker 1: It's our friend and yours Jed michue Hi, Jed, how

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm cold? But you know much better hair than Chuck

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Speaker 2: minton Hall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, by Virgine just having some Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have as good of a hat as

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Speaker 2: he does, but you know, happy to step in. I

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Speaker 2: was not anticipating this until yesterday, but hooking, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Neither were we.

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Speaker 3: And then he was like, this ain't gonna work, and

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Speaker 3: how cold is it in Atlanta, Georgia?

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Speaker 2: It is currently twenty four and I'm cold for Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: I was talking, we were I was talking about this

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Speaker 2: it hasn't iced much. There's not much much precipitation, which

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Speaker 3: Other than the temperature, yeah, I can count. I mean

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Speaker 2: Come on, it snows here. It's not like fifteen. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: But we got it. We had freezing rain all day yesterday.

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Speaker 3: We got about six inches of snow, so it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: many different elements of this story to talk about. From

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Speaker 5: Fights this weekend though pretty hyped. Also, we're not gonna

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Speaker 5: we got another pay per view this weekend in Australia.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's right. Is your dad gonna watch now

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Speaker 3: Before we get started, Jed. One quick question. One of

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Speaker 3: Let's actually start with the fights themselves. Justin Gai Chee

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Speaker 3: I would call a pretty one sided bout. You can

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Speaker 3: Think it'd be fair to say alit sloppy. Certainly folks

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Speaker 2: And you've got Israel Adisnia coming out and saying that

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Speaker 1: No denying I largely agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I got people were Gaichie was able to affect change,

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Speaker 2: They're feeling great. Look, if you were a hardcore fan

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Speaker 2: like maybe three Justin Gayee fights left. That's he's the

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the fight, all right.

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Speaker 3: So I thought I am too willing to bury the unks,

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Speaker 1: Did, sure did, And I thought that it was going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I got a lot of thoughts here. I

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Speaker 2: I think people just are doomed to underestimate justin Gaechee

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Speaker 2: But like that underrates how good of a fighter he is,

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Speaker 2: He did the upper cut, he was kicking at range,

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Speaker 2: The biggest issue I think Patty had. He should have

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Speaker 3: on my terms, not yours. I totally agree on the

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00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 3: backing up part, dude. The tape has been clear on this,

433
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 3: and I did not. This part was not surprising. I

434
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 3: was like, I knew he was gonna get backed up

435
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 3: by Geiegee, in part because a Geigie had said, you know,

436
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 3: this is about champions moving forward. And also Patty's got

437
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 3: a little Tyrann Woodley in him where the fight starts

438
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 3: saying whoop, he just backs up right away and then

439
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 3: sometimes he makes it work and sometimes he in this

440
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 3: case doesn't. But I was like, all right, well, what

441
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 3: weapons is he gonna use to keep Geechee at range?

442
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 3: And you know, some of that worked, but not nearly enough.

443
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 1: Obviously.

444
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 3: What's interesting to me is do he landed on Geichee

445
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 3: a lot? And it didn't really do shit?

446
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: Statistically landed more mikes and gai Chie did she did?

447
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 3: And then I forget too, like it's like it's like, bro,

448
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 3: he you gave gei Chee not just all the weapons,

449
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 3: like the different kinds of weapons, but like it wasn't

450
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 3: like Geechee had to like, yes, some of them were blocked.

451
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 3: Much of that landed clean and it didn't do fuck

452
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 3: all to him. And it's like, do we have to

453
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 3: have a conversation about whether Patty's obviously got some stoppage

454
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 3: wins via strikes as UFC debut for example, came that way.

455
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: And you know, he was beating the shit on Michael Chandler.

456
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he can't hurt people, but there and

457
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 3: the Geichee is still pretty tough. There is a question

458
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 3: about what kind of pop he has, right.

459
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he obviously does not have like natural power

460
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 2: that is not part of him.

461
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 3: But like the mechanics on some of these punches in

462
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: all he was trying to stab him with overhand stab

463
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 3: You're never.

464
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,479
Speaker 2: Gonna get like if you don't naturally have power and

465
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 2: your mechanics are bad, it's gonna be super like this

466
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 2: is all working against you. But like, also, yeah, when

467
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: he beat the shit ounder Michael Chandler, he can hit

468
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: like he has some He's a big dude, He's strong enough.

469
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 2: The difference is he's beating the shit uper Michael Chandler

470
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: from a dominant position where he has leverage, and I

471
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 2: never thought if he is strictly backing up, it's just

472
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: way harder to hit somebody hard when your back is

473
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: against the fence, when the space is taken away from you.

474
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: And Justin Gaichie also maybe he hurt Justin at points.

475
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: I do think one of the fascinating parts of Justin

476
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: Gaigie's like uber in general, it's really hard for me

477
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: to know when he's hurt because he's so wobbly, Like

478
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: in general, he's he's sort of constantly he got a

479
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: little bit of that DDP where like, okay, he's breathing heavy,

480
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean he's tired. That's just how he

481
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: works in life. And so maybe he hurt him at

482
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: a few points in time, but like, yeah, he he's

483
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 2: he has to either get better at striking, which seems

484
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: like boxing, not striking, because he's had a good kicks,

485
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 2: which seems like a tall, tall order thirty one years old.

486
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: The cake sort of feels baked, or he needs to

487
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: shift up like thematically how he's going about it, because

488
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: he's never going to hurt people like that.

489
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: Let's take a look at this picture of Patty's face.

490
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: This is what he looked like at the end of

491
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: the fight. I tell you what I did learn this

492
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: Patty's got a fucking chin, bro, I mean, whatever else

493
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: you want to say about him, Geechee was landing on

494
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 3: this fool and he you know, I was amazed at

495
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: how well he was able to take the punches relatively speaking.

496
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 2: Dude, it is not just that he's landing on this fool.

497
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 2: Shout out to Jack Slack who pointed this out on

498
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: his post podcast or whatever. Justin Gaechee was landing shots

499
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: against like and Justin Gaigie one of the harder hitters

500
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: of this weight class, like ever, right, just this pure power.

501
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a little older, maybe he had staff, like,

502
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: maybe he didn't have as much pop, but he was

503
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: not just hitting Patty clean. He was hitting Patty clean

504
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: when Patty's like on one foot and like not in

505
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: a good position to take the strikes, and he is

506
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: just like wearing it. And yeah, Patty got dropped. Patty.

507
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: They credited Gaigie with two knockdowns, which I think is ludicrous.

508
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: Like I think he dropped him like five times. Yeah,

509
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: but like the fact that he was able to just

510
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: work through like getting jawed in the most awkward positions.

511
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: Hell of a chin man, like you cannot cannot question

512
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: the man's durability and heart.

513
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: Last thing on Patty for just a moment. Do you

514
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: to me this.

515
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm not in any way saying it's the same as

516
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: the five round beating basically, basically that Gegee put on

517
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 3: Tony Ferguson.

518
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's the same. It's not. The damage

519
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: was not as much. That was a especially brutal beating.

520
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 3: However, do you worry about the amount of damage Patty

521
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: took in this fight in terms of his chances, Maybe

522
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: not all the way for his long term but for

523
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: his next.

524
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: Fight, No, I will say, because I have the stats up.

525
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: I've been kind of looking at him this morning. Geechee

526
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: landed one more significant strike per UFC stats against Patty

527
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: than he did against Tony. Of course, he didn't get

528
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: any knockdowns against Tony, so statistically it was a worse beating.

529
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: But I'm with you, he ended Tony Ferguson's career was

530
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: pretty tough. I'm not that concerned about Patty because I

531
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: Patty's I think, is still young enough where you can

532
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: take a beating. But historically, fighting justin Geegee has been

533
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: bad for your long term health in this sport, and

534
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: so it is something to look at moving forward. I'm

535
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: not sure though that we'll know right because of the

536
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: unique Patty pimbletonness of this all. Because if he goes

537
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: out and he fights let's say, Charles Oliver loses to

538
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: Max Holloway, Patty fights Charles and Charles beats him, We're

539
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: not going to be like, oh, his chin is cracked.

540
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: He can't like, yeah, Patty's not very good will be

541
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: I think the dominant storyline, but it is something to

542
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: watch out for because like, you don't have that many

543
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: of those in you, man, There's just not that many

544
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: people can take that sort of a beating that many times.

545
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: That's really the first one that I can I'm clocking

546
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: for Patty, but he took a lot of damage.

547
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: Bro, What does it mean that Gaeygee is a two

548
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 3: time interim champion?

549
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 2: I think it's awesome. Frankly, it doesn't mean like, it

550
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: doesn't mean nothing. It doesn't mean the world. But like

551
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: he is, in my estimation, the most accomplished UFC fighter

552
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: of all time to never win an undisputed belt because

553
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: it's a two time interim champion. Even if this one

554
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: is way more suspect than the first one, was right

555
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: BMF champion, and like there's an argument that not that

556
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: he would be the best lightweight in the world, but

557
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: that Iliotaporio should not currently have a belt right now,

558
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: and so like it could be an undisputed title. It

559
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: would be he wouldn't be the best lie in the world,

560
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: but he could have it. And so it's I think

561
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: it feels very appropriate for a fighter like Justin Gagee,

562
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: who's maybe never been the best guy in the world,

563
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: but he was. He has been right there for a

564
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: very long time to add another, you know, trophy to

565
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: the to the case.

566
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: I have struggled with this one.

567
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what it means pardon me again, in

568
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: part because Justin faced both Max and Charles Lavera and

569
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: got smoked by both of them, you know, and it's like,

570
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 3: now he's holding an interim title. What does it mean

571
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: to be a two time interim champion. I'm not really

572
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: sure because it's not really a number one I mean,

573
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: it ends up being a number one contender fight as

574
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: a consequence, but but you know, it's not really a

575
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 3: number one contenders fight.

576
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: So I have a little bit of difficulty with it.

577
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 3: But it did remind me and I said this on

578
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: Saturday night, and again people poop poo in this performance.

579
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: Justin didn't look to me like, of course prime Justin

580
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: not only you could definitely see that there was a

581
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: little bit of a slowing down. At the same time,

582
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: people are like, oh, he's washed. I don't think he's

583
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: actually fully washed. I don't really believe that. And more

584
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 3: to the point, the fact that a guy like this,

585
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: after all the miles he's been put on him, after

586
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 3: all the I mean even in fights where he's won,

587
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 3: he's had his fucking brain rattled, you know, and then

588
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: to still be out here and then dunk in on

589
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: what the best thirty one year old that basically the

590
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: division has to offer just kind of speaks to this

591
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 3: generation of lightweight's him, the poirier'sbeams, the Connors for a

592
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: moment anyway, and the RDAs and the Tony Ferguson's like

593
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: that class. I honestly, I really as good as there

594
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: are some other lightweights out there. I really think that

595
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: this class is not going to be replaced anytime soon.

596
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: If ever, it was very very special, and you're looking

597
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: at one of the last kind of horsemen of that

598
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: movement still doing some to me pretty interesting and really

599
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: capable stuff. Dude.

600
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: I remember when you first pitch that whatever is like,

601
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: look at these fucking old war horses still just turning back.

602
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: And I was like three years later it's like, yeah,

603
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: gay chee be a philpasive who's supposed to be the future? Hey,

604
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: just be Patty, who's supposed to be the future. Like

605
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: it's just like, Okay, it's incredible, like what this little

606
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: class of badasses has done. And I'm really happy to

607
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: have like not just lived through it, but like this

608
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: has been the prime of my fandom and in a

609
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: lot of ways to have been fully not like, oh

610
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: this happened when I was just learning about MMA. It's like, oh,

611
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: I know this and it rocks. Man.

612
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: Let's get to the people who even kind of dancing

613
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: around this whole time, which is who I think are.

614
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: The two best lightweights in the world. Let's start with, uh,

615
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: you know what, Let's start with.

616
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: The champion himself. Here's a tweet from Eliot Toporia two

617
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: I'm guessing to Patty obviously quote, Hey, little sausage, the

618
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: only thing you had to do was be the thirty

619
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: eight year old guy. By the way, I you can

620
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: just if you say that in Taporia's voice, all you

621
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: have to do is just beat a thirty eight like

622
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: any like He's like, you're comparing him to like any

623
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: guy off the street who happens to be thirty eight.

624
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: Like the disdane with which he is treating Geegee is remarkable.

625
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: He says, you just lost the biggest paycheck of your life.

626
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: You were going to get rich if you won. Justin

627
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: all I can say is congratulations, and I'd like to

628
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: tell you to get ready, but you're screwed no matter

629
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: what I gotta tell you.

630
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: Iliot Taporia from the Top Rope. I love this message.

631
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm a okay. I have a lot of issues with

632
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: basically everything Ilia Taporia has said over the last two years,

633
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: not this one, like this is exactly right, Like you

634
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: got beef with that dude, and you can dunk on

635
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: on that dude like that is a okay thing to do.

636
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: You know. I do think he also lost the biggest

637
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: pain day of his life. I think it would it's

638
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: better for his career if he beats Patty than Geigee.

639
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: But like it is, I totally understand dunking on him

640
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: right now. And yeah, I mean the most likely outcome

641
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: is that he blows the doors off Justin Kichi.

642
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: I think to Poria, well, okay, let's be clear about this.

643
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: And I said this a long time ago when people

644
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: were like, oh, what about Patty versus Ilia? And I

645
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: was like, brother, I mean, if you wanted to end

646
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: Patty's career, you set him up with Ilia would turn

647
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: him into.

648
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: Ash, you know what I mean?

649
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: I mean, just absolutely Medusa him turn him into fucking

650
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: stone with what he would do. I think Gates you

651
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: would be a little bit more competitive and certainly put

652
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: up more of a fight, But I don't think his

653
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: chancers are great either, which then brings us to a

654
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: more interesting consideration, namely, what about Arminsar Yukim the kind

655
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: of odd man out here who one way or the

656
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: other probably should have been in this bout. He had

657
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: something to say as well, here's this week quote. That's

658
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: what happens when you're gifted opportunities and pushed up the

659
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: rankings artificially, a completely undeserved title shot for Patty. Congratulations

660
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: to Justin. He showed real heart and unel like others.

661
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: He'll step up and take the fight with me in respect.

662
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: So what do you make of this.

663
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: It is obvious that these two guys are the best

664
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: lightweights in the world, but in terms of how you

665
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: feel like their stock or their appearance or their value

666
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: shakes out sort it for.

667
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: Me, dude, I just put it in our private chat.

668
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: One of my favorite photos of the evening. It is

669
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: Arman serukin immediately after the main event. Yeah, look at

670
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: Look at how mad fucking dude.

671
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: Like.

672
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever seen a dude more

673
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 2: bitter about what just has Like. You can see the

674
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: thought in his head of like, I would fucking kill

675
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: these dudes. I would put them both back to back

676
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: and I would I would finish them inside of five.

677
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: He's furious about what has gone on here, and it

678
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: sucks for him. Man, I think he's the best lightweight

679
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: on earth. He's certainly the lightweight on earth who has

680
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: done the most right, Like he has consistently been beating

681
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: top opposition. Ilia has one sensational win, but he's got

682
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: one win lightweight. And Yeah, under any normal circumstances, he

683
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: would have gone in there. He would have fought.

684
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 4: He would have.

685
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: I would bet almost anything in the world that he

686
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: would have beaten either Man and now he like hopefully

687
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: best case scenario, gets to fight for the title at

688
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: the end of this year. But Long Island Loop, maybe

689
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: you can confirm this or either of you if you remember.

690
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: I think I recall Dana saying Armand's gonna have to

691
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: fight again at the post presser, which like he'll beat

692
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: whoever he fights. But bro, that sucks like this. It

693
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: just he's done more than enough to get his day

694
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: in court. And I think he's the best lightwood on earth,

695
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: and he might not get to prove that until next year,

696
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: and he may never get to fight Ilia, because I

697
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: do not think Ilia Taporia is trying to fight this

698
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: man at all, and so he even when even if

699
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: he does it, there will be people who will be like, well,

700
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: you're the best of the rest because Ilia is not here.

701
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: DK early odds are friends here at draft Kings Taporia

702
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: minus four fifty five, gai Chi plus three fifty and

703
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: Gaiche's defense. He was the underdog from a betting standpoint

704
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: heading into this one, so I know some folks made

705
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: some good money with this one. This one, however, I mean,

706
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: I love again. I cannot respect what Geigee has done

707
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: and that generation of lightweights have done, but dude, Taporia

708
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: is gonna fucking smash him. How would a Gaichie versus

709
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: I will tell you a Gaichie Armand fight is interesting

710
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: to me because Gaichi would at least put up some

711
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: resistance on the takedown, right. I mean, I think eventually

712
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: Arman would get it, But the question is what kind

713
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: of tax he's gonna have to pay before that happens.

714
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: To me, it's a Pooria versus Geche is less interesting

715
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: because I think eventually Taporia is just gonna electrocute him.

716
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: But the Arman one, to me, he's gonna have to

717
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: work for it. And for that reason, I kind of

718
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: like that scrap a little bit more.

719
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: I mean, by the smallest of margins, do I think

720
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: it's more competitive?

721
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: Really?

722
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Like I Armand will just have beibe Geichie

723
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: and like he will just make Gaichie walk backwards constantly

724
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: and try and circle and eventually he'll get it. Like

725
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: once we were all confident that if Patty got Geichie down,

726
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 2: it was Curtains. I'm like, this is the difference between

727
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: Armand and Patty is significant. And Armand can wrestle his

728
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: ass off. Go ask Lance Palmers.

729
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's got no subs. Okay, he doesn't need

730
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 3: talking about this. I know he subbed Dan Hooker, Okay,

731
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: armand did. But in general, I'm not convinced that like,

732
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: oh he gets the back, he's some kind of threat

733
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 3: from there. I'm I'm less convinced by that.

734
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm pretty convinced that he would realll me that he

735
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: would dummy Gaichee once he got to the floor. I

736
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: do think Gochie will make it harder to get to

737
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 2: the floor, but like I maybe it is the Homer

738
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: in me. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe that

739
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: Eli Taporia like logically, is going to beat Justin Gaichie.

740
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: I was incredibly confident that javel Fhaziv would just be

741
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: a better striker than Justin Gaichie. And they have fought

742
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: for thirty minutes and mostly gey Chee's tuned him up.

743
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: Geechie has tools on the feet and like the gap there,

744
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 2: I think is the athleticism the age. It is certainly enough,

745
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: but like I'm, I at least have some level of

746
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 2: interest in seeing how that shakes out, because Geechee has

747
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: historically proven me wrong, specifically with fights, and you know,

748
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: this is a million years old and you shouldn't put

749
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: too much stock into it. But if Jie Herbert can

750
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: buzz you, I strongly suspect Justin Geigee at least has

751
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: the potential to do that. So I don't think either

752
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: fight is competitive realistically, like logical brain Jed, but lizard

753
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: Jed thinks that Gegee has a better chance against the

754
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: Poria than it does against Armon.

755
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: With that in mind, let's now move to the co

756
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: main event, topic number two. So he had to work

757
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 3: for it here a little bit, but he got it done.

758
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: Sean O'Malley wins a unanimous decision defeating Song You Dong. Now,

759
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: he started out with a decent first round Song A

760
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: Doong looked like he might have been mounting what was

761
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: going to be a winning performance by the end of

762
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: that second. But to me, the interesting factor here is

763
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: the way which O'Malley rescued himself in the third. With

764
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 3: that in mind, is the story of the fight. Jed

765
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: that O'Malley did rally in that third and had the

766
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 3: best round of the three, of any of the rounds

767
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: that either of them had in an impressive showing, or

768
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: did the fact that he had to rally in the

769
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: third show that he's declined.

770
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't think Shawn O'Malley has declined. I don't

771
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: really think the story is either like, oh, look, Sean

772
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: rallied so much as my big takeaway and this fight was,

773
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: oh Sean didn't. He was slow to start. Maybe that's

774
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: because he's been doing five rounders so much, because once

775
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: he got up to speed, like, once he got going,

776
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, that's exactly that Shawn O'Malley. I

777
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: anticipated it, just he didn't get going for a while.

778
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: And I think the most logical explanation is like, Okay,

779
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: he just he came in a little cold because he's

780
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: not used, like he just hasn't done this in a while.

781
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: And to some extent, also, Song you Do came out hot,

782
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: like he knew he needed to set a tone early.

783
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: He tried. He doesn't have that many tools, so that's

784
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: pretty tough for song. But like he he made it

785
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: a fight early, and then Sean finally just you know,

786
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: sometimes it takes a little while to get the engine going. Luke,

787
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: you know, once he did.

788
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 3: Nah, but see here's why. No, Okay, But the thing is,

789
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: if I hadn't seen Tim Welch be like apoplectic in

790
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: the fucking corner between the second and third, and he

791
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: wasn't like shouting him down.

792
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: But he was like, yo, like you gotta go, this

793
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: is the moment.

794
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 3: You know, fast, you gotta be long, you gotta be quick,

795
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: you gotta be first, best five minutes, let's go, Like

796
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: he was really trying to. I'm not putting it on

797
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: par with the between the fourth and fifth round of

798
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: the Kamara Usbin lee On Edwards rematch, like you know,

799
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: you gotta go, kid, But I am saying that like

800
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: they were trying to jolt this dude back to being awake.

801
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: And I can buy that the three rest around from

802
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: the five rounds, you know, clearly can be an adjustment

803
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: for him. But I don't know, man, I'm a little

804
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: bit of the belief that like two losses in a row,

805
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: he's he's been kind of talking I'm not saying in

806
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: a non committal way about his career, but it's not

807
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: it was we talked about the big opportunity, but he's

808
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 3: been a little bit like lost in the sauce about

809
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:08,959
Speaker 3: what this all.

810
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: Kind of means. I think he was feeling a little bit.

811
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: I think it took him a while to like to

812
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: not just yes, get going obviously, but to kind of

813
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: recognize like even said, for example, right, he even said.

814
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to be way, way faster.

815
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: I think he had built up in his mind the

816
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: difficulty of the moment to a little bit and was

817
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 3: a little bit feeling it. And it was only after

818
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: he kind of calmed down that he was able to

819
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: let you know, and then he got a coach in

820
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: his ear to kind of get going. I'm not to

821
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: me like the five to three round three I absolutely

822
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: think is a factor, but I'm not sure if it's

823
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: the dominant one.

824
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that could totally be it, because

825
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: this was he probably had the most pressure of any

826
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: fighter on him, just because like with the win, and

827
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that in the second maybe he's fighting

828
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: for a belt. With the loss, his career is in

829
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: full blown free fall at that point in time, like

830
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: and so maybe that's it. Maybe he just felt a

831
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: little bit of the press. Sure, but he's never been

832
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: like a super fast starter anyway. The second round, the

833
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: first round, you know, kind of made sense. The second

834
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: round was when I was like, oh, Sean O'Malley might

835
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: be losing and then he just fought normally in the

836
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: third round, and he tuned him up. So I don't

837
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: know what It's hard for me to draw like major

838
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: conclusions about anything other than like, Seanamalley is still one

839
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: of the five best dudes in this weight class. Uh

840
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: and Song of dong Is seems to have hit like

841
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 2: seems to have a very clearly defined ceiling.

842
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Sonydall for a second. We'll circle back

843
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: to Sean Omalley. But you brought it up, and I

844
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: really wanted to get to it. Here's a guy who

845
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: you keep they keep calling him up to the majors,

846
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: and then he can't. He can't close the show on

847
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: the hill, you know what I mean. They bring him

848
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: up to fight San Haagen doesn't go his way. I

849
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: know he does have a win over Shudo, but we

850
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: all know that there was obviously, you know, a fair

851
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: amount of controversy related to how that one end didn't

852
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: they call him up here, and there's been some other

853
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: ones too. He does have the winner for Marlon Vera,

854
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: but that was from a long time ago. He obviously

855
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: is good. He is still young, as you indicate in

856
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: that first round. The power and like the thudding nature

857
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 3: what he was throwing. He was trying to set a

858
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 3: physical tone. He can do stuff, but jed, why can't

859
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: he seem to graduate to the next level?

860
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't. I think the answer is he doesn't

861
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: have that many tools, right, like he he just had

862
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: doesn't there's not a depth to his game. Correct me

863
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: if you think I'm wrong here, But like, he's mostly

864
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: doing the same stuff and he's very athletic, his hands

865
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: are quite fast, and you know, he can do a

866
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: little bit of everything, but he doesn't have any superpower

867
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: to rely on. You know, he doesn't have a weapon

868
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: or two to build a game around, and so he

869
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: just kind of can't get it. Because it's not just

870
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: that he has been given steps up to the majors.

871
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: He has three times been called up to the big

872
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: leagues on the best terms possible guys on big losing streaks,

873
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 2: and he has not pulled it off in any of them.

874
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 2: He's still only twenty eight, so like, hard to say

875
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: he's never going to get there, But like, how many

876
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: bites at the apple do you get before? It's just like,

877
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: this is who you are, and there's nothing wrong with that,

878
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: but you're a top ten guy, you're not a top

879
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: five guy.

880
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: I unfortunately agree.

881
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 3: Like if you just compare him to like again and

882
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 3: you could say, oh, well, this is the best guy

883
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: in the division. Fine, but that's a good benchmark. What

884
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: does it look like when you're really good? Take someone

885
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: like pyotor Yan. Think about all the things that fucking

886
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: guy can do. The takedowns, the scrambling. He doesn't have

887
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: the most significant submission threat, but I bet that's better

888
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: than we think too. And then on the feet, the

889
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: number of tools and how he blends it all together.

890
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: And then you look at songa Doong and it's like,

891
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: obviously he can do stuff, but it's just a very

892
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: diet version of that. Like even if he had won

893
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: this fight, they were like really hype behind getting a

894
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: Chinese guy in a title fight, which again was part

895
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 3: of matchmaking. If you would be able to surf that opportunity, dude,

896
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: Yan would fucking wash this guy.

897
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he can do vastly more.

898
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: He can take the fight to places that that that

899
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: song has simply no way to follow. And so it's

900
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: like I want for him to turn that corner and

901
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 3: I don't.

902
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to.

903
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: Rule it out, but unless he skill builds in some

904
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: kind of way more than just like defensively.

905
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say.

906
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: This is a sportman, We're gonna talk about some other

907
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 3: fighters on this car where it's gonna be relevant. Everyone

908
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: knows offense is more important than defense, but in MMA,

909
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: it's like, dude, this is a lot more important. I mean,

910
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: if you don't have good defense, you also won't win

911
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: a title. But you need to make sure you can

912
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 3: do a bunch of stuff you and have an ace

913
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: in the hole too. It's a tough business. But I

914
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: just don't feel like what Song's calling card. He's got

915
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: a huge punch, he's athletic, he's got pretty good takedown

916
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: defence for the most part.

917
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: I don't This is gonna be mean, and I'm okay

918
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: with that. I if I was a fighter of talent

919
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: and means if I and I'm not, If you can't

920
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: look at this and understand that that's not correct, I

921
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: don't know what to tell you. If I was somebody

922
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: still young with a future in this sport, I don't

923
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: know what would get me there, but it I just

924
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: would never go to Team Alpha male I.

925
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: Who who is strong?

926
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: I mean they are better than many gems. But if

927
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: you're trying to ascend, like what who's who's the fighter

928
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: that is? Like Cody Garbrand is the best fighter Team

929
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: Alpha Male has produced, not Dwayn Ludwig right, like and

930
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: do you do you want to be where Cody's current

931
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: career is, Like it's I know, I don't think he

932
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: trains there anymore, but like I how is he gonna

933
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: get those tools when nobody at Team Alpha Male has

934
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: like like superior tools. The one trick they had is guillotines,

935
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: and that doesn't seem to be a case like happening anymore.

936
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: Like he if I was in you Doong's corner, I'm

937
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: sure they are nice and they are a professional team,

938
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: but like, man, you got to go somewhere else to

939
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: get something going because this just isn't working. He's he's

940
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: not developing. He's the same dude. And that dude is good,

941
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: it's a top ten dude. But if you have title aspirations,

942
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the place you're going to get

943
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: them over the hump.

944
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 3: So, thinking about what's next for Sean O'Malley, what do

945
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: you think the UFC is going to do? There have

946
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: been basically two different directions that have been proposed. One is,

947
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 3: you could at this point give him a title shot. Again,

948
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: I didn't think the fight was bad by any stretch.

949
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.

950
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 3: It wasn't a scintillating performance until the end of the third,

951
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: but otherwise a competent one and certainly a deserving one

952
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: for advancement.

953
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: Could you go to title shot route? You could.

954
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 3: That's one direction. The other one that I keep seeing

955
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 3: pop up is about versus him, versus Corey Sandhagen. Could

956
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: be on the White House, could be somewhere else for

957
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: Jet If you get to play matchmaker four a day,

958
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: how do you sort the top of this division? Rob's

959
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: and the waiting in the wings. We'll talk about Umar

960
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: a little bit later. And now you've got Sean O'Malley.

961
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: What do you do?

962
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: Dude? If I get the sort, we're gonna have the

963
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 2: most fun. I don't think this is what will happen,

964
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: But like looking at that fight, I think Sean O'Malley

965
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: did a miracle on Saturday, which is he was ninety

966
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: five percent to fight for the bantamway title, and I

967
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: think that performance was the five percent. Oh, actually, never mind,

968
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: We're just gonna do more and pyoder again. Uh, he's

969
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: gonna have to fight again. I think they'll go Santagan.

970
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: But if I'm in charge, this is the easiest thing

971
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 2: in the world. Hey, when Morab and pyoder Yan fight

972
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: for the belt on whatever card, that's going to be

973
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: the feature about or the five round Comaine five rounds

974
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: for sure. Shannamalley versus Umar Amerca Medov Stone Cold title eliminator,

975
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: no questions asked. Do it it is our you know

976
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: it is off brand, great value discount version of Connor

977
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: Habib and the winner. Like, honestly, coming off that fight,

978
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: Sean can maybe even feel like he can beat Umar,

979
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: not his fight, coming off Umar's fight, and if Umar

980
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: gets it, then Umar's fighting again like that. This seems

981
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: like the obvious answer that they will not in any.

982
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: Way do Loyer and Luke has a theory on this.

983
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: What is your theory about which way will go?

984
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: Well?

985
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 5: Like Jed just said, they're not gonna put Sean against Umar,

986
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 5: even though that's mericratically whatever the fucking word is, what, Yeah,

987
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 5: what you should do?

988
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna do O'Malley yan too.

989
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 5: I'm even thinking possibly at the White House, and then

990
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 5: I think, just on a random fight night, you do

991
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 5: Morobar to winner of that is the rightful number one bro.

992
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 4: You can't do that.

993
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 5: It would be fucked up. And you know, I love Marab.

994
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I want I don't want this to happen.

995
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 5: I'm just I feel like that's how the UFC is

996
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 5: gonna go. It's just my theory.

997
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: I don't I do not believe. I can't believe they

998
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: would make Morob fightar.

999
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: I such, but he you know, I mean, I'm not

1000
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: one of these guys who's like, oh, if you lose convincingly,

1001
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: you should get a rematch. But I'll make an exception

1002
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: in this case, given what Morob has done.

1003
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: I may I think all immediate rematches are awful and

1004
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: should never happen. The lone the two caveats being stone

1005
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: called robbery and like it has to be Stone called

1006
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: it can't be competitive, and the other is trilogy fight.

1007
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: They split the two one hundred percent, you should run

1008
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: that a third time. There's no no doubt in my

1009
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: mind that's what should happen. I do think that is

1010
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: likely to happen now. And if that's gonna happen, Like,

1011
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: why have Sean fight Corey and then if like if

1012
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: Corey wins, then I guess you're just defaulting it to Umar.

1013
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 2: And if Sewan wins, he gets it, and then Umar's

1014
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: just for an arm and limbo, Like just have those

1015
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: two dudes fight. Sean can beat Umar. I don't think

1016
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: he will, but he can beat him. Have him fight him.

1017
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: Nobody thought he'd beat Piotianny did.

1018
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say this though, just getting back to

1019
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 3: Sean romalley as we wrap up on this topic here.

1020
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: To me, what was interesting was I definitely there was

1021
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: a nice crowd pop for Sean O'Malley. I think he

1022
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: did enough of a job as we talked about for advancement.

1023
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: He did what he was supposed to do.

1024
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: I do think though, that the Paramount story as well

1025
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 3: as the particulars of the main event have definitely drowned

1026
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: out a little bit. It's not like he's made a

1027
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: huge impact with the song you dong win, Would you

1028
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: agree with that? Like there's like most of the focus

1029
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: is just main event and then UFC Paramount as a

1030
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: storyline itself.

1031
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was you know, he wasn't supposed to be

1032
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: in the co main event anyway, and it does feel

1033
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: like it's just being treated as the feature about, which

1034
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 2: is what it was originally, because the performance wasn't great,

1035
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: you know, like it was it was perfectly fine professional.

1036
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: Some people scored that fight for song. I didn't, but

1037
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: I think it's it's not like the biggest robbery to

1038
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: give song one and two there, and so like that's

1039
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: just one of those fights that happens and that we

1040
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: don't talk about or care that much about moving forward.

1041
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: And maybe that's better for Sean O'Malley because he can

1042
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 2: just you know, he said afterwards, I'll just wait, I'll

1043
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: wait for the title shot. And historically that's kind of

1044
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: a bad idea, but lately it's not. And especially if

1045
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: you're a guy that they like and want to give

1046
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: opportunities to. Maybe if everyone just forgets about this and

1047
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: you sit out for a while, you get it. And

1048
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: certainly it's one hundred percent. I think I think we

1049
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: could both agree on this loop. If something happens, if

1050
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: Morob gets injured, then Shawn's just in and there's no

1051
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: question about it.

1052
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: Yes, if Morob retired today, this would be a much

1053
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: more easy conversation to parse. I will say this. I

1054
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 3: have my notes up here, and I wanted to make

1055
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 3: a point. Then I forgot what I was gonna say.

1056
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: Oh no, let me remind you. For me, we talk

1057
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 3: about some of the best fights that can be made

1058
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 3: in MMA within a weight class, so like who Islam

1059
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 3: would fight at seventy a natural seventy, or or as

1060
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: we've talked about, a fifty five to Poria and sar

1061
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 3: you can one of the more interesting. I'm not saying

1062
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: it's the best fight at thirty five necessarily. What I

1063
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 3: am saying is it will be a crime if San

1064
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: Haagen and O'Malley don't fight in like relatively soon.

1065
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: Like I don't like.

1066
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: Them fighting past their primes is not as interesting to

1067
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: me them fighting now. I gotta tell you that would

1068
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: be one of my more anticipated fights this year. I

1069
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 3: think that would be fucking electric, huge stakes, because is

1070
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1072
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Speaker 1: To see in twenty twenty six. That's just my personal opinion.

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Speaker 2: I think that fight's awesome. I've wanted like that's been

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1085
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1088
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1093
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Speaker 3: very good. With that in mind, let's now talk about

1162
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Speaker 3: the rest of the UFC three twenty four main card.

1163
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 3: Let's start with the heavyweights. What a weird ass? I

1164
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Speaker 3: don't even know what do you even? I don't know

1165
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 3: how to talk about Waldo court as a coasta and

1166
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 3: Derek Lewis except to say, is the story jed that

1167
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: Waldo Cortez a coasta is actually pretty good? Or is

1168
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: the story now that Derek Lewis at forty years of

1169
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: age is just kind of bad.

1170
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: I think the story is Derek Lewis needs some heuel

1171
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 2: in his life. I don't know the fuck is going

1172
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: on there. Maybe Quero is actually what he uh? That

1173
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: was weird? I don't I've watched it a lot. I

1174
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: still don't. I don't know that this is true, and

1175
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to cast dispersions on Derek Lewis, who

1176
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: is a very fun man. That looked like a little

1177
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: bit of one of my favorite fights of all time.

1178
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: Not the fight as a whole, but the ending. It

1179
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: looked a little like Kimbo Dada. I'm just tired, like

1180
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: it was just a I am a tired knockout because like,

1181
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: it's not like he jawed him. It was like the

1182
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 2: babyest of shots and Derek just sort of tumped over

1183
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: like humpty dumpty fell off the wall. And then once

1184
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: he was on the ground was over because Wado can

1185
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: just get on him. Then he hit the shit out

1186
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: of him once he was on the ground. But like, dude,

1187
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: Derek Lewis looked like an almost forty two year old man.

1188
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: That's that's my big Like he's he has been a

1189
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: fun fighter. He's had a significantly better career than I

1190
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 2: think anyone could have imagined for him. He's forty two.

1191
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: He does have a super power, but he is limited

1192
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: in the rest of his game broadly, though he has

1193
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: his game works really well. I was respected that about

1194
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: him and like he's just past it man like it.

1195
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: It was a little smoke and mirrors that he was

1196
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 2: on a two fight winning streak because he won them

1197
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: in the way he can win fights, and those dudes

1198
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: gave him fights he could win. But if you are

1199
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Speaker 2: a competent heavyweight who at least has some like a git,

1200
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Speaker 2: not even like a dialed in sinse, a general sense

1201
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: of strategy and tactics, you're probably going to defeat Derek

1202
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: Lewis at this stage of his career.

1203
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: Slight correction.

1204
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 3: According to our friends at Wikipedia, Derek Lewis is forty now, he's.

1205
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: Gonna be one in February.

1206
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was about two weeks or less.

1207
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Speaker 2: Actually I thought he was already forty one.

1208
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Speaker 3: I bet, yeah, he's going to be forty one here.

1209
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: But to your point, I mean, you basically get the

1210
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Speaker 3: right idea. I'll say this so you know what it

1211
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: reminded me of. It reminded that that sequence where Lewis

1212
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: goes heavy on a hook and then heavy on another

1213
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Speaker 3: hook and then cortes.

1214
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: Customer Zach what you're saying.

1215
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: It's it's like Silva versus.

1216
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, he got him.

1217
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: And I also I saw some folks say this to me.

1218
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: It looked to them like is he versus Gasolom a

1219
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: little bit as well, where Gaslum's flailing, is he just

1220
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 3: kind of pulls them and pops?

1221
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: You know, just a little bit of that too.

1222
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: But I was like, it's at for Gasolum, you know,

1223
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: didn't fall over and just quit.

1224
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is.

1225
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to knocked out. He was defeated.

1226
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: I want to point out something. It wasn't just that

1227
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 3: he just kind of laid down off the punch. Cortes

1228
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 3: a Coasta just does like like the most basic Torreando pass.

1229
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 3: But he doesn't even really do a pass. He just

1230
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 3: grabs his knees or his like his shins and just

1231
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: moves them to the side and it just goes right

1232
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Speaker 3: to neon belly. And I was like, dude, you just

1233
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: let this motherfucker like you didn't even roll to the

1234
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Speaker 3: side to frame out, just lets him go right around.

1235
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Speaker 3: I was like, dude, what the fuck is that? That

1236
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: was a weird part too, But to me, it's like, dude,

1237
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: if if you're a bad heavyweight, so you you over

1238
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: commit positionally, or you are not athletic enough to retreat quickly, Yeah, Lewis,

1239
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 3: I think still actually might hurt you because he's gonna

1240
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: chase you down. He'll swing wide, he does that jumping

1241
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: switch kick, that kind of a thing, you know what

1242
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: I mean. So Cortes a Costa, it's a meat and

1243
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 3: potatoes game, jed. But if you're athletic, if you have

1244
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 3: room to move to retreat, and you have you know,

1245
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 3: obviously because of you your athleticism and whatnot. You have

1246
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: decent timing and you've got a jab, brother, you can

1247
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 3: win a tiele let heavyweight, Cyril Gone. Is that times

1248
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: a million? Why does he win? Because he's got you know,

1249
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 3: when he's not getting choked up by John Jones. But

1250
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 3: like on the feet, he's got a good job. He

1251
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: moves pretty well, he's pretty athletic in getting out of

1252
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: the way, and that is enough to beat these people. Dude,

1253
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: Waldork cotes a Coasta. I don't necessarily look at him

1254
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 3: and think, oh, future champion, but I can't rule it

1255
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 3: out at heavyweight just given the state of things, you.

1256
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: Can't rule anything out at heavyweight. But like, yeah, dude,

1257
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: he's he's competent. Is Waldork Coasta is what used to

1258
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: be a bottom fifteen heavyweight, like not bottom, like a

1259
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: like the bottom end of a top fifteen heavyweight, like

1260
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 2: like a guy who's like a Heath Herring, you know,

1261
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: like kind of talented, a little bit athletic, competent, And

1262
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: because heavyweight has just died, like just this withering, awful death,

1263
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: he's a top five, top six dude. And yeah, like

1264
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: he's got a good chin, which is also sort of

1265
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: the baseline for success. As everyweight you just have to

1266
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: be durable. So he's durable, he can jab, He's got

1267
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: enough talent to clear the bar, and the rest of

1268
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: this weight classes just buns. It's so bad because this

1269
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: isn't lightweight, right Luke where it's like, oh my god,

1270
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: it's so impressive that Justin Gatchee at Dustin Poier and

1271
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 2: Charles Olivera still got the juice at thirty seven. It's like, man,

1272
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: Derek Lewis is forty and still a top fifteen guy

1273
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: because this division is in shambles.

1274
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: Weald Cortez the Coasta wants Blades.

1275
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: Next. We have a graphic to this effect.

1276
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 7: The last thing for me, you call out Curtis Blades

1277
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 7: Stylistically he might seem to be your most difficult matchup

1278
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 7: in the way class. Do you believe he would be

1279
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 7: the most difficult appument for you?

1280
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 8: That's for jamatte Quarters Blades inter.

1281
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 4: DeFi no no.

1282
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: No, noo.

1283
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: Ran lo.

1284
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: Social media, Uh listen, I don't think it's gonna be

1285
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 3: a tough challenge.

1286
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 8: I I do believe I've had harder challenges, especially in

1287
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 8: my last three fights, and I don't think it's gonna

1288
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 8: be that much.

1289
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: And listen, I.

1290
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 8: Want Curtis Blaze because he's been saying some things on

1291
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 8: social media and people who talk crap I don't like him,

1292
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 8: so I don't.

1293
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 6: Head of just one quick one. The Mexico card is

1294
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 6: getting built like very quickly. It already has the main event.

1295
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 6: Would you rather fight in Mexico on the undercard or

1296
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 6: your headline a card against Curtis Blades.

1297
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 4: Mexico quite good.

1298
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: Or Meico you gonna pa. I don't care where they

1299
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: put me in there.

1300
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 8: I want to fight in Mexico and I want to

1301
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 8: rip Curtis Blade's head off in Mexican.

1302
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: His chances to defeat Curtis Blades or what.

1303
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: That's a really good question, Luke. I think he's I

1304
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: think that's a great call out because is like the

1305
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: only other dude you kind of call out at that

1306
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: point if you're WCA is I mean, maybe you try

1307
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: to moonshot Cyril gone because Tom might be out for

1308
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: a while. But like the other guy's Alexander Volkov and

1309
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: that seems like that's just a low upside fight. But

1310
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: he has been very good defensively as a wrestler and

1311
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 2: thought a lot of like great wrestlers, mind you, but

1312
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: like WCA has a very good, statistically speaking takedown defense

1313
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: and Curtis Blades, you know, but he can compete on

1314
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: the feat But if he can stuff a bunch of

1315
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 2: Curtis Blades takedowns, I wouldn't shock me if WCA just

1316
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: sort of jabbed his way to a victory. And then

1317
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: if he beats Curtis Blades, like, yeah, put him in

1318
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: a title fight. So I like to call out and

1319
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 2: I'd favor Blades, but sixty forty.

1320
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of there. It's like he lost to Pavlovich.

1321
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: So I do think we've seen some of the limits

1322
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: of what Cortes Costa can be. But the Blades one

1323
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 3: is again, he's earned a fight like that, and honestly,

1324
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 3: Blades could use some momentum that cortesl Coasta has built

1325
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 3: for himself. I actually like the call out. I like

1326
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: the fight. Put it in Mexico, put it whatever they want.

1327
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I definitely like what he's thinking,

1328
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 3: all right, which takes us to Jesus O God the

1329
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 3: fuck me.

1330
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: Here's how Here's how bad this fight was.

1331
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 3: I talked to Brian Campbell all day yesterday via text,

1332
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 3: were just sharing a bunch of thoughts.

1333
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 2: Huh, who's that.

1334
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 3: Oh, he's this guy who when he watches straweights, puts

1335
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 3: his pants around his ankles and then masturbates at the

1336
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 3: bus stop. But putting that aside, good day for him yesterday,

1337
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: then yeah, a little chili.

1338
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: Well.

1339
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, here's how Brian did not

1340
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 3: shit on this.

1341
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: I want to be clear. But the fact that he

1342
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: didn't even bring this fight up to.

1343
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 3: Me, he had nothing to say about it, I think

1344
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 3: tells you what, dude, this fight was bad.

1345
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: This Rose Nama units Italia silver fight. It was bad.

1346
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 3: I kind of thought Rose maybe deserved to win it.

1347
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 3: I do recognize Silva probably won the third I guess

1348
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 3: the second round was a bit of a swing round.

1349
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where the hell Rose is.

1350
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 3: I don't know what's happening with where she's coming or

1351
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 3: going in terms of her space in this division. She

1352
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 3: still beats people, but then she loses fights or she

1353
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to have the kind of urgency that she

1354
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 3: would need. Jed and more to the point, Silva was

1355
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 3: dancing like she was doing you know that Dak Prescott

1356
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 3: warm up where he does the hip twist everywhere like that,

1357
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 3: you know I'm talking about. Yeah, she was doing Prescott.

1358
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 3: Her frontwork was doing the Dak Prescott. No again, she

1359
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 3: warmed up eventually she had that. She had that nice

1360
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 3: throw Silva did from the double overhooks.

1361
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: She does the Dak Prescott in the middle of the

1362
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 2: fight constantly, just like she's.

1363
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: It drives me crazy.

1364
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: But she did have the nice throw that That sidekick

1365
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 3: to the face on Rose was nice. But just just

1366
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 3: just what has happened to Rose? Your reaction to this bout,

1367
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: and then we'll talk about what happens next.

1368
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 2: After I heard about this today from me find dot com,

1369
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: so you can check it out. It's up on the

1370
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: site by now. We do like a put an after

1371
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 2: action report for the thing. And I like Rosa Immunis.

1372
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 2: I feel when I watch her fight, and when I

1373
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: watch her fight the last several fights since she's moved

1374
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: up to flyway, I can I think of the Lewis

1375
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: Carrol Matt Hatter quote, you used to be much more, muchier.

1376
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: You've lost your muchness. Like Rose was always a mercurial fighter, right,

1377
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: like she had super eyes and the Carlos Barza fight

1378
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 2: is like an atrocity. But since coming up to one

1379
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,959
Speaker 2: twenty five, she doesn't have like there's no juice, there's

1380
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: no muchness to her. She's not losing by a lot,

1381
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 2: you know, she's maybe raised that floor a little bit

1382
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: from some of her worst performances, but there's just there's

1383
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 2: nothing going on. Even when she's saying the Lord's Prayer

1384
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 2: and talking to herself, it's no longer like, oh, she's

1385
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 2: gonna put a foot upside some person's head. She's like

1386
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: she's gonna edge out Miranda Maverick, Like this was an

1387
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 2: imminently winnable fight for her and she she never got there,

1388
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: and so I don't I don't know. She is one

1389
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 2: of the more fascinating figures in the history of the

1390
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 2: sport to me, just because of like how good she

1391
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 2: could be but could never consistently get there. But wasn't

1392
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: like a flash in the pan like a Cody Garbrandt

1393
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: like she had. She's had longevity, but yeah, she's lost

1394
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 2: her muchness, man, And I don't know how you get

1395
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 2: that back. Maybe it just won't like maybe we're just

1396
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: just too far gone. But it was kind of this

1397
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 2: was kind of a bummer of a fight to watch,

1398
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 2: even if maybe you expect like outside of it sucking.

1399
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,959
Speaker 2: Maybe even if you expected it like this, this fight

1400
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 2: crystallized to me like, oh, Rose isn't We're never We're

1401
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: never getting back what we had.

1402
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, she might still win again, but you know, whatever

1403
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 3: the magic was that, I don't. I don't know what

1404
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 3: happened to it. Also, I was so bummed out by

1405
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 3: the fight. Again, it wasn't the worst fight I've ever

1406
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 3: seen her something, but just the accumulative weight or the

1407
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 3: cumulative weight I should say of how poorly women's MMA

1408
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 3: has just become interned. I put out a thread yesterday

1409
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 3: and be like, hey, what are the best women's fights

1410
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 3: of all time? And obviously not in boxing but in MMA,

1411
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,480
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of great responses.

1412
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: But then one thing I noticed was I can't.

1413
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 3: Remember any of them being within the last few years,

1414
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like all the ones that

1415
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 3: they're picking happened, you know, twenty twenty or or much

1416
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 3: earlier than that, including into the Strike Force days. I

1417
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 3: don't know what has happened to the game. There's probably

1418
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 3: a few factors to say it, but Jesus bro it

1419
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 3: is I don't want to be this way where the

1420
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 3: first two cars in the paramount era jed there's one

1421
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 3: fight on the card from Saturday and there are fucking

1422
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 3: none on the next one. But it's like, dude, I

1423
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 3: don't know what people want the UFC to do at

1424
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 3: this point.

1425
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: Game's gone.

1426
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 3: Brother, It's just not the same anymore, and I'm not

1427
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:56,879
Speaker 3: getting the same amount of enjoyment.

1428
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: It really is quite depressing. I have to be.

1429
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 2: Honest, has in fact done changed. I don't, dude, I

1430
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 2: don't know how to save it. It's so it is

1431
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: die or.

1432
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: Like our era of MMA was better.

1433
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 3: But dude, what is this era's equivalent to to for example,

1434
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 3: Misha Tate versus Katz and Ghano, Like, what's the equivalent.

1435
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: That it's not a boomer it's objectively true. I know

1436
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 2: that it's objectively true because all the same women's fighters

1437
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 2: who were good are still in the top of the

1438
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: rankings now Mesha Tait is a ranked bandam way, And

1439
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: that's not a vision we're talking about. But like, this

1440
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 2: has been these same not dude, same women for ten

1441
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: years and it's not like they got better because they

1442
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 2: got ten years older. Like it's it is there and

1443
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: they're so limited, like grow, like like who who's coming along?

1444
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: Like who are the like Natalia Silva is the the

1445
01:09:55,080 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 2: new the leader, vanguard of the new generation. And it's like, Okay,

1446
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 2: if she beat like if she beats Valentina Shipchenko, that's

1447
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 2: not that she's that good. It's that Valentina Shipchenko's pushing

1448
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: forty and she's been fighting professionally for twenty years and

1449
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 2: at some point you just can't do it forever.

1450
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 4: Yea, it is.

1451
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 2: It is tough scenes right now.

1452
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 3: Your level of excitement for Natalia Silva versus Shifchenko.

1453
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 2: Oh incredibly limited. And I want to be very clear

1454
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 2: about this. I am an enormous uh Valentina Shipchenko stan

1455
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 2: I've been standing her for literal years. That is not

1456
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 2: because she It's the exact opposite reasons that I stand

1457
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: justin Gaechee and ury Prashka. She is not the most

1458
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: fun person to watch. I am when she competes. I

1459
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: am watching, in my estimation, the greatest female fighter of

1460
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 2: all time. And so I will I will have polite,

1461
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 2: like respectful applause, like golf clap this. You know that

1462
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 2: that fight is me sitting in the opera box watching

1463
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 2: opera and being like very good, very good, despite not

1464
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: really being moved by it.

1465
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 3: All right elsewhere on this card, and this was a

1466
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 3: fun one for me. A little bit heartbreaking based on

1467
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 3: the way that it went, but not so much. Jayon

1468
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 3: Silva looked I think, I'd say, much more patient this time.

1469
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: And it went over Arnold Allen.

1470
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 3: How much did this restore your faith that Jahon Silva

1471
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 3: could contend for a title following that loss to Diego Lopez,

1472
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 3: but now with this great win over Arnold Allen.

1473
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 2: Dude, I this was the fight I was the most

1474
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: curious about because I said, after Jean Silva lost to

1475
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: Diego Lopez, and I think even said in the pregame

1476
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: preview that we did, I was like, I wonder if

1477
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 2: that loss will be a justin Gaugee moment, because remember

1478
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: when Gaigie came in from WSOF and he's like, I'm

1479
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 2: just trying to get into car crashes and then he

1480
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 2: got knocked out. He like finally found his equal and

1481
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 2: went back to the lab and retooled his game in

1482
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 2: a very effective way. I was like, maybe that's just

1483
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: what John Silva needed. He not to don't turn off

1484
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: the bozo just you got to be able to modulate

1485
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 2: the bozo mid fight, and he did, like he one

1486
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: hundred percent did that against Ron Allen, Like he still

1487
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 2: had it. He surfed a dude. I've never seen a

1488
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: guy surfer guy of a fight Luke when he's surfed man,

1489
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: so like he still got the bozo in him and

1490
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 2: at times he would he would unleash it, but it

1491
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: was much more controlled and he like he just constantly

1492
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 2: beat Arnod Allen, who I think is a very very

1493
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 2: good not great fighter, And so like I left this

1494
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 2: being like, oh, yeah, he's going to win the belt.

1495
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 2: I believed two years ago Joan Silva was going to

1496
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 2: win the belt, and now I'm like, he's definitely going

1497
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 2: to win the belt, maybe not like next but in

1498
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 2: the next two years.

1499
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 3: You know what he that reminded me of when he

1500
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 3: was like surfing like that. People were saying, oh, it

1501
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 3: was like Diaz against Silva when he just kind of

1502
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 3: laid down, you know. But to me, it's like, dude,

1503
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 3: Jayon Silva brings regional MMA energy to a high level

1504
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: about you know, where he's just doing shit. You would

1505
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 3: never expect that. It's crazy, that makes no sense as

1506
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 3: kind of on kind of weird, kind of crazy, and

1507
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 3: it just works.

1508
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: You know, dude, he's Michelle Pereira. If Michelle Phta was good,

1509
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: that's just it. Like he's he's Michelle. And I loved

1510
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 2: Dmolador like I he was so fun regionally as a

1511
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: complete psycho, and then when he retooled this game, he

1512
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 2: got boring and then he just got bad. John Silver

1513
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 2: is just way better. Also, I've been on this corner,

1514
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 2: but I want to get this takeout. John Silva is

1515
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 2: the best of the fighting nerds. I've been saying it.

1516
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 2: I think he is the most talented, best fighter of

1517
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 2: the nerds.

1518
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: You think he's better than Kyle?

1519
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 2: I do?

1520
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: Would Kyle be two?

1521
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 2: I think Kyle's two because I and Protest is three,

1522
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: and I think Ruffy's four, But like that's is there

1523
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:53,440
Speaker 2: anybody else there that's like? Because I know they got

1524
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 2: uh he's counting them. They're below those four anyway. But

1525
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 2: like I I thought for a while, Jean Silva was

1526
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 2: the best bet for the fight he nerds to get

1527
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 2: a belt. Still feel that.

1528
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 3: Way, Arnold Allen, you knew that the same thing was

1529
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 3: going to plague him in this file. You didn't if

1530
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 3: it was going to be a losing factor or not,

1531
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 3: but that it would be something he had to overcome.

1532
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 3: He kind of starts a little bit late. I did

1533
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 3: think he opened up on him a little bit in

1534
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 3: that second round with some better energy, but he had

1535
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: even lower output in the third than he did I

1536
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 3: think in any of the other two previous rounds. And

1537
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 3: you know, for me, jed in a sport where again

1538
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 3: I appreciate how defensively sound Arnold Allen is. Sure man.

1539
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 3: You rarely see him get hit super clean or get

1540
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 3: fucked up, Like he leaves fights looking okay, But he

1541
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 3: leaves his fights kind of losing against some of these

1542
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 3: better guys because it's just not the offense is much

1543
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 3: more important than defense in this sport. And I don't

1544
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 3: feel like his game is as good as it is,

1545
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 3: and it is good, and he's still young. I just

1546
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 3: don't think his orientation for how he prioritizes it is

1547
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 3: enough to beat the very best guys, even if they

1548
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 3: are more defensively limited than him.

1549
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I love Arnold. I think arn Allen seems

1550
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: like one of the very few fighters who I would

1551
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 2: genuinely just like to hang out with, like would just

1552
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 2: be a good time, and he's very good. He is

1553
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 2: like kind of the worst of the Trystar team to me,

1554
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 2: not like as a fighter, but he is. My issues

1555
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: with TriStar is that it is like a much more

1556
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 2: defensively focused gym, and he doesn't have any of the

1557
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 2: things that he needs to really really excel at the top,

1558
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: other than he doesn't get beat up that bad. But

1559
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 2: also when you are perpetually injured, not getting beat up

1560
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: it's not really that big of an advantage because it's

1561
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 2: not like, oh, I'm healthy, I can turn around and

1562
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: fight in three weeks. That's just not ever been how

1563
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 2: it's worked for him. So I think he's probably never

1564
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 2: fighting for a belt, which is weird because if you'd

1565
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 2: ask me a few years ago, it'd been like one

1566
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: hundred percent. There's just not a question in my mind.

1567
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,839
Speaker 2: And he's gonna be It's gonna be like a Martin Kampman,

1568
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, like real heads who lived through the time

1569
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: will respect him. But he's that's just or to where

1570
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 2: he's at in his career.

1571
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: I think.

1572
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 3: Let's move down to topic topic number four, which is

1573
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 3: the preliminary card itself. So there was, well, there's a

1574
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 3: lot to go over here. Let's start with the what

1575
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 3: they call the main event of the prelims. Umar number

1576
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 3: Gamdeov kind of easily for the most part beats Stevinson figuredo.

1577
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: But the reality is Jed by the.

1578
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: End of the about and other periods before, but certainly

1579
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 3: by the end of the bout, Umar was getting booed

1580
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 3: by the crowd. Now I'm not here to validate the

1581
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 3: booze as such, but it just seems to kind of

1582
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 3: signify something to me. Number one Umar and Usman number

1583
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 3: gam Madov are obviously very good, but they're not habib like.

1584
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 3: They're a step down from that pretty clearly to me,

1585
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 3: they can do a lot of things, speaking of people

1586
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 3: that have a lot of tools, but they don't have

1587
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 3: necessarily a ton of danger to their game. It's just

1588
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 3: a lot of heavy control or heavy maintenance of range. Right,

1589
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 3: So that's one problem. But the other problem is in

1590
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 3: a world where you know you're very, very good, but

1591
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 3: you're kind of like the bantamweight John Fitch of the

1592
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,759
Speaker 3: modern era, I just don't know what.

1593
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: Gifts that's going to get you to me. Jed.

1594
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 3: It's interesting that you had a nerma Goa Madeov on

1595
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 3: this card. And anytime there's a number goa madev in

1596
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,879
Speaker 3: the PFL, whether there's attending or on the card itself,

1597
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 3: they blow it up like it's the biggest deal. UFC

1598
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 3: kind of downplayed it this time, to be honest with you.

1599
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 3: They put the guy on the fucking prelims for crying

1600
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 3: out loud. How do you read this performance and how

1601
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 3: the UFC perceives or Umar nember goa madoff following Saturday's.

1602
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: Whin dude Luke has has any fighter of the past year,

1603
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 2: like the past twelve months had a worse year that

1604
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 2: didn't lose a bunch, right, like you know somebody losing

1605
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,799
Speaker 2: five fights sort of for sure, But like Umar's stock

1606
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 2: this time last year. I mean, I guess this time

1607
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 2: twelve and a half months ago, right, I you everybody

1608
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 2: we did a pregame preview was like Umar is going

1609
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 2: to beat Morob because he's the best band of weight

1610
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: on the world. Like everyone the broad thought was that

1611
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 2: Umar was the dude to maybe take the goat title

1612
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 2: in this weight class. And then his stock is not

1613
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 2: like plummeted, but it has just been a steady decline

1614
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 2: of like Okay, you're good, but your mavsar revuev. Why

1615
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 2: the hell do we care about you? If your last name,

1616
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 2: if his last name was not Namerga Medov, he would

1617
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 2: be in the mavsar revlv. You are screwed zone. As

1618
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 2: tough as he is, very good, but I think you

1619
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: nailed it. He what what? Where's the offense? Where's the

1620
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 2: danger in fighting umarann O Murgha Metov? Because there isn't

1621
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,839
Speaker 2: any He the dangers you lose like a niptuck decision,

1622
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: because he's very good everywhere. But Habib was a fucking

1623
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 2: demon like Luke, do you remember watching Habib beat the

1624
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 2: souls out of people when he got them down. I'm

1625
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 2: not saying everybody can be that, but there was that

1626
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 2: element was to his game islam. When he gets you down,

1627
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: he is a like a genuine submission hunter and he

1628
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 2: is actually like a real threat on the feet as well.

1629
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 2: Umar is just kind of good. You're just good at everything,

1630
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 2: same as usman like they're good. But if you don't

1631
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 2: have if you're not going to scare somebody, it's it's

1632
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: tougher to be a dominant force and people aren't afraid

1633
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: to fight you. Bro.

1634
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 3: Habib was mean people, people forget this, Like his style was.

1635
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 3: You know, you'd feel bad for people if they spend

1636
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 3: a lot of time underneath him. You're like, dude, this

1637
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 3: is fucking hard to watch a little bit because they

1638
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 3: can't do shit and they're getting beat up, and then

1639
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 3: he's setting up submissions eventually towards the end, I mean,

1640
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 3: and again for folks who may remember, recall he could

1641
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 3: have ended the gates he fight earlier. He took fucking

1642
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 3: pity on him because he didn't want to break his arm,

1643
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 3: so he ended up changing the submission to a different one.

1644
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 3: See he's not that mean, Yeah, but then he goes

1645
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 3: out the door and on on that call. But like

1646
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 3: in general, like you know, talking to Michael Johnson, like

1647
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 3: you have to give up now, this is gonna go

1648
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 3: bad for you.

1649
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: And he's beaten the shit out of him.

1650
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: He had a gear he had and like he had

1651
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: a level of like I'm going I am better than

1652
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 2: you and I'm going to hurt you the same that

1653
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 2: Islam has, like they and maybe that's just natural, right

1654
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 2: because like if you think about it, that kind of

1655
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 2: makes sense to me. Of like, Okay, Habib and Islam,

1656
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 2: outside of being training partners for life. They were both

1657
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: sort of into They were the vanguards of this camp.

1658
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: They they sort of led the way, and then the

1659
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 2: trickle down. The next generation are just people who learned

1660
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 2: in their mold, Like how do you teach somebody to

1661
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: be a hard nosed son of a bitch? Like that's

1662
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: it's tough to instill that into people. Yeah, and like

1663
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: they just naturally had it because they had to do this.

1664
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 2: And so like, if you told me that Umar was

1665
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 2: going to get nasty, I'd be like, he gonna be

1666
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: a real problem. But now I'm like, I still think

1667
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 2: he's going to beat most people, but it's not going

1668
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 2: to be this dominant force. It's going to be winning

1669
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:48,959
Speaker 2: on the margins.

1670
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 3: I'd be really curious to see what they do with

1671
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 3: him this year, given that, like people are starting to

1672
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 3: get like exactly how good he is or how limited

1673
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 3: he is.

1674
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,879
Speaker 1: I think this year is going to be really.

1675
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 3: How they treat Umar. Tell you a lot about how

1676
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 3: they treat the kind of fighter that Umar is.

1677
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: I'll be looking forward to that, all right.

1678
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I do like from Umar is

1679
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 2: he he seems to recognize what's going on that he

1680
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: is not. He had not a good year basically because

1681
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 2: he's coming out and be like, I'll fight anybody, dude,

1682
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: I don't care. He's not trying to negotiate his way

1683
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 2: into a title fight as he previously was really doing.

1684
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 2: He's just like, dude, it doesn't matter if I got

1685
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 2: to fight somebody, line him up on, knock him down.

1686
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 2: And I think that's how he got to be right

1687
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: because he has not blown the doors off people. He

1688
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 2: has not shook the world up. So you've got to

1689
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: just be like, I'll fight anybody, don't care, give me him.

1690
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: That brings us now to a table. Gotier.

1691
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 3: Now, he did win, and he did brutalize his opponent,

1692
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 3: but his opponent pole I turned out to be tougher

1693
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 3: than what is it a two or three dollars stake,

1694
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 3: whatever the saying is.

1695
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I don't think that that matters.

1696
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 2: If you're paying two or three dollars, you're probably getting

1697
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 2: the same quality of steak luke.

1698
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 3: Fair enough anyway, whatever the saying is, he got he

1699
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 3: got worked, but he survived and in fact fought back

1700
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 3: a little bit. And what it kind of showed was

1701
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 3: Gotier clearly jet a physical force and still young enough

1702
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 3: where he can do some stuff, but a little green,

1703
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 3: a little offensively limited. He had an opponent circling out

1704
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 3: to his weak side and he kept crowing this figure

1705
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 3: it out as opposed to the hook, and I'm watching

1706
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 3: this him.

1707
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, greet him with the hook? What

1708
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: are you doing?

1709
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 2: It was It's one of those things like obviously the

1710
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 2: table gotier, much better fighter than I am. Like, I'm

1711
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 2: not saying that, but I was just like, dude, at

1712
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 2: what point, at what point does your brain be?

1713
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: Like?

1714
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 2: Man, every time I'm trying to throw this right hand,

1715
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,839
Speaker 2: he's even further over and so I'm just like punching nothing.

1716
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 2: What if I try the hand that's closer to him?

1717
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 2: It was nuts.

1718
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 3: Hey, Long Island, Louke, can you do me a favor?

1719
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 3: Perhaps there is acting up here for just a second.

1720
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 3: Can I have just a minute to go fix what

1721
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 3: she with devastation? She has laid ways too.

1722
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll put jed full and uh.

1723
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: All right, I'll be right back. I'll be right back right.

1724
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I'm the captain now, boys.

1725
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, the chat is gonna hate this.

1726
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 2: The chat is going to be furious that I'm the captain.

1727
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: That they'll be alright with it.

1728
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 2: Chad, let's talk about the I want to say one

1729
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: more thing about Gotier, because as Luke sort of teed it,

1730
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, he's still twenty three, so that's

1731
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 2: totally fine. But I then I pulled it up. Uh

1732
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 2: because Long Island. He's been fighting now for four years,

1733
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 2: so yeah, he is green, but he's twenty three. And

1734
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 2: the fact that he could win again against a limited opponent,

1735
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 2: I'm certainly not here to say that is some world beater.

1736
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 2: The fact that he won, he wasn't really in danger

1737
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 2: of losing. It's one of those I think there's just

1738
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 2: a good win for him, right, Like it's it's not

1739
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,799
Speaker 2: that exciting. I lost money on it. That was a bumber,

1740
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 2: but like he didn't climb with it, though I did,

1741
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 2: but because it was the first leg dead, I just

1742
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 2: reclimbed with the next two and cash fine. But like

1743
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 2: this is one of those where it's like, yeah, sometimes

1744
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 2: you gotta you have to learn where your limitations are.

1745
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 2: And now he'll go back and I think Luke Barnett's

1746
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 2: coach and they'll be like, Okay, we need to give

1747
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 2: you a left hook and we need to teach you

1748
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 2: a little bit more about footwork, because he doesn't have

1749
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 2: a ton of that. And you know, progress isn't linear.

1750
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 2: But at twenty three, I still expect very big things

1751
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 2: for table Gautier. This is just one of those that

1752
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 2: you get. That's because that's how fighting works. Not everything's

1753
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 2: gonna be your best day ever.

1754
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: All right, I'm back, Hold on one second. Oh the

1755
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: fucking thing fell off? Hang on? Did two key break

1756
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: that tear here? And I gotta switch earplugs.

1757
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 2: Tuki has been absolutely start about that.

1758
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 3: My daughter, she came in the house and I heard it,

1759
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 3: and then I heard her come screaming down the hallway,

1760
01:24:55,760 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 3: which meant that in arctic temperatures, she had left the

1761
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 3: door open, which she did. That's good, and there was

1762
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 3: all this shit in the house as a consequence, so

1763
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 3: I had to go fix that. Okay, sorry about that,

1764
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 3: don't forgive you all right, very good. Well, let's get

1765
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 3: to the rest of what we saw here. Alex Perez

1766
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 3: scoring a first round stoppage over Charles Johnson. Charles Johnson's

1767
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 3: got a weird career here, right jet He's got to

1768
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 3: win over josh Van, but he has losses like this

1769
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 3: and some other ones as well.

1770
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 4: He is.

1771
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how surprised should we be by this win.

1772
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 2: We shouldn't be surprised because Charles Johnson defies expectation constantly.

1773
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 2: Like it just seems like he's gonna win the fights

1774
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna supposed to lose, and lose the fights he's

1775
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,520
Speaker 2: supposed to win. He didn't like the stoppage.

1776
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 4: I don't.

1777
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 2: I think that's fine. The thing I am most surprised about, frankly,

1778
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 2: is not Charles Johnson. The end of it is, like

1779
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 2: I thought Alex Perez was, We're washed, and I guess

1780
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: he's still got some juice in him, right, Like he

1781
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 2: you know, he won the fight his first win. He's

1782
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 2: the only won like two fights on his last seven

1783
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: or eight.

1784
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

1785
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 2: But like that's good on Alex Prez. And Charles Johnson

1786
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 2: remains an enigma to me.

1787
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:17,799
Speaker 1: He's got a weird career.

1788
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 3: He's got he has the lost to Makaievka his UC

1789
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 3: debut fine, fair enough, totally explicable, you know, And he's

1790
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 3: got the loss to Ody Osborne, which was split and

1791
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 3: that was a few years ago. All right, Cody Durden

1792
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 3: can wrestle, okay, and then he goes on a bit

1793
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 3: of a four fight win streak, which you put Van

1794
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 3: in Sumaderja and he, of course, he knocks out Van

1795
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 3: in round three, and then he's just kind of been

1796
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 3: up and down since then. He has to win over

1797
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 3: a loner Kavanaugh. But then, dude, I didn't see it coming.

1798
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 3: I thought Perez was kind of a forgotten figure in

1799
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 3: this division, or at a bare minimum, that Johnson was resurgent,

1800
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 3: but I guess not. Kind of an interesting surprise there,

1801
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 3: super weird, all right. And then there's this one, which

1802
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 3: is Josh Hokit at heavyweight is clearly pretty good. He

1803
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 3: is athletic, he can wrestle, he moves forward. You know,

1804
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 3: he's got good reaction time, he's got a bit of

1805
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 3: a mean streak. Like these are all things that are

1806
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 3: going to take you pretty far as a fighter. However,

1807
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 3: he appears to be completely unbearable. Before you react, Dana

1808
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 3: has a conversation, Oh, sorry, I have a different one.

1809
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:22,799
Speaker 3: We'll come to that one separately. Ignore that one. Getting

1810
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 3: back to this one. What is your reaction to?

1811
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 1: What? How should we feel about Josh Hokit.

1812
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: He's a good fighter. He's not like a great fighter,

1813
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 2: but he's also fairly young, especially at heavyweight. I mean,

1814
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 2: the truth is, if looking at Josh Hokit, my abdominant

1815
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 2: thought is, if I were a semi decent but not

1816
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 2: exceptional light heavyweight, I'd move up to heavyweight because Josh

1817
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 2: Hogin is just beating heavyweights because he has a gas

1818
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 2: tank that is not you know, held down by fifty

1819
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 2: extra pounds of fat. So it's just like, but this,

1820
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 2: I have to say. He's not a good fighter. He

1821
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 2: obviously is right. He comes from a wrestling background. He

1822
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: has the mean streak that you know, we talked about

1823
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 2: guys like Umar would be really nice to have. And

1824
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 2: you know, he's got to put together game. It all

1825
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 2: kind of works together. He doesn't have a superpower, at

1826
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 2: least not that I've seen yet, but he can. He

1827
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,879
Speaker 2: can do this to many, if not most heavyweights because

1828
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 2: of the state of the division. If he ever dropped

1829
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 2: the two o five, I mean, that's also a bad division.

1830
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,759
Speaker 2: But like, I think he could have plenty of success

1831
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 2: there as well. And whether you can't stand him or not,

1832
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 2: like he is at the bare minimum, Luke, I do

1833
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 2: not ascribe to the idea that all publicity is good publicity.

1834
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: I think that there is a lot of truth to

1835
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 2: it insofar as breaking through the just ever present noise

1836
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 2: of this sport and the UFC's consistent attempts to sort

1837
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 2: of make everything monochrome. He at least is breaking through,

1838
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 2: even if maybe it's not in a way I would

1839
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 2: choose to do it.

1840
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's unbearable, but the problem is he's good and

1841
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 3: that's going to take him pretty far.

1842
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 2: And just just reusing old pro wrestling stuff will take

1843
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 2: you far in the sport because because nobody else is

1844
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 2: doing anything at all, the bar is on the floor

1845
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: for being died like interesting and at the minimum, he's

1846
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 2: doing that.

1847
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 3: So let's go to point number five. Oh sorry, before

1848
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 3: we do. Before we do, we do have Dana talking

1849
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 3: about So there was this Michael Johnson Alexander Hernandez bout

1850
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 3: that was on the card, but the betting lines were

1851
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 3: kind of crazy. Some places had limited betting before the fight,

1852
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 3: and then Dana or the UFC, I should say, ended

1853
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 3: up pulling the bout altogether. In the wake of the

1854
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 3: Isaac Dulgarian scandal, we were like, okay, did a betting

1855
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 3: integrity firm tell them to pull it?

1856
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: Turns out that they did here's Dana. Yeah.

1857
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 7: Lastly for me, we did have a fight cancelation's day.

1858
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 7: Not a lot of details on the information of what

1859
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 7: happened there. There's speculation that maybe this was a wagering flag.

1860
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 1: What can you tell that's what it is?

1861
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 9: Happened again, you know, we we get we got called

1862
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 9: from uh, you know, the Gaming Integrity Service, and I said,

1863
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 9: I'm not doing this shit again.

1864
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 4: So we pulled the.

1865
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 2: Fight, canceled fight from today. Like what happens now?

1866
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 4: Is there an investigation?

1867
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 1: Like?

1868
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, the the FBI is already you know,

1869
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 9: deep into all this stuff anyway, so I'm sure this

1870
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 9: one will We'll be next, right.

1871
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 8: So, like, are those guys out of action until something

1872
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 8: concludes or is it just one.

1873
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 9: Side of the fight that I don't know?

1874
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: Your reaction, dude, this can rocked?

1875
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 2: Uh, dude, I wish I was in. I just want

1876
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 2: to be in one paramount meeting this week and be like,

1877
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 2: God damn. We got the full UFC experience for our

1878
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 2: first one A. We had a major fight fall off

1879
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 2: the card. We had a guy almost die away, and

1880
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 2: we had a gambling scandal and we had a dude,

1881
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,520
Speaker 2: get on the mind. I can just issue casual bigotry,

1882
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 2: like they got the whole enchilada as far as what

1883
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 2: you can expect from a UFC fight card and a

1884
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 2: banger of a fight in the main event.

1885
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 4: So good on.

1886
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 2: Paramount to get it all in this gambling thing. I

1887
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 2: saw it like I was in transit when I saw

1888
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 2: the first tweets about line movement happening, and I was like, Oh,

1889
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 2: that's unfortunate because I had money on Alexanderrnandez and then

1890
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 2: it got pulled. And it's very obvious why I got pulled.

1891
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody has confirmed anything, but like

1892
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 2: to me, Luke, this is this is just sort of

1893
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 2: the nature of the sport and its current incarnation. Because

1894
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:44,799
Speaker 2: pure speculation, I don't have any inside information. My strong

1895
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 2: guess is that Alexander Hernandez needed to fight because fighters

1896
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 2: lift paycheck to paycheck, and he came in with an

1897
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 2: injury and was just going to fight with the injury

1898
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,719
Speaker 2: regardless and hope for the best. Because we see fighters

1899
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 2: do this all the time. Maybe you can get the

1900
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 2: w It's not like he was going to come in

1901
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 2: and throw the fight necessarily. But then somebody was like, oh,

1902
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 2: alex has a broken whatever, Let's just put some money

1903
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 2: Michael Johnson, because that's when fighters, when you don't pay

1904
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 2: people enough money, they're going to fight for you because

1905
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 2: they need the money. It doesn't really matter the circumstances

1906
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 2: of their condition.

1907
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as a long on Luke points out, which

1908
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 3: I had seen before, again, it may utterly be coincidental.

1909
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 3: I have no idea the causal relationships such that there

1910
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 3: is even any. However, this is yet another adjacent house

1911
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 3: fighter from Iridium and then another Factory X fighter as well,

1912
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Speaker 3: So geez.

1913
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 5: I also want to point out I brought this up

1914
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 5: on Friday's show. I said, Oh, the lines have actually

1915
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 5: moved a lot. A lot of money has come in

1916
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 5: on Michael Johnson. I didn't think it was anything worth

1917
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 5: like flagging at that moment, but they continued to come down.

1918
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 4: It's just interesting that we were talking about.

1919
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to guess that that is circumstance, because

1920
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 2: you'd have to be either the ballsiest or the stupidest

1921
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 2: motherfucker alive to be to be like in the crosshairs

1922
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 2: right now and be like, I'm gonna do it again.

1923
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 2: This is not the fucking town. I'm gonna put a

1924
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 2: move on them. Man, then we're still gonna throw a

1925
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 2: fight like.

1926
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 5: In the Jason House defense too, though he does have

1927
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,639
Speaker 5: like sixty percent of the roster, you know what I mean,

1928
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 5: Like the odds just mathematically, mathematically, it's the factory X

1929
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 5: thing is a little more in factory.

1930
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 2: The factory X thing is the one that's interesting. It's like,

1931
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 2: I think it just has to be coincidence. But man,

1932
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 2: you get enough coincidences and that starts to become a problem.

1933
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly an interesting fact.

1934
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 3: All right, Last, but not least, let's just talk about

1935
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 3: the overall event and the presentation and the broadcast and

1936
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 3: and everything else they're in jen It's a simple question.

1937
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 3: UFC three pretty four broadcast debut on Paramount. Some changes.

1938
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 3: Some folks thought not enough, some folks thought just right.

1939
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 3: They added a bunch of new elements. We had the

1940
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 3: war Pigs run down and the sizzle reel, and we

1941
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 3: had the normal sizzle reel. Then we had the Travis

1942
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 3: Barker sizzle reel. We'll talk about all the ads in

1943
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 3: just a moment, but as a general idea for you,

1944
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 3: like a sort of a way to understand it. What

1945
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 3: worked about this broadcast and what didn't and overall, what

1946
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 3: kind of grade would you give? Again, not so much

1947
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 3: the fight card, but the broadcast, the way it was shown.

1948
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:22,799
Speaker 2: The broadcast. If I'm not considering the fight card.

1949
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 1: I mean they're all kind of related.

1950
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, but like, overall, I would give this

1951
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 2: card a B minus because I think a lot of

1952
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 2: it was missus, but you ended on a high note,

1953
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 2: and that's the most important thing. If I'm just talking

1954
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 2: about the broadcast of production elements, I'll give it a

1955
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 2: C plus, like a little bit of a docked point there,

1956
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 2: because I do want to be open to the idea

1957
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 2: that I forget who said it from the OC, but

1958
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 2: it came out and was like, we're trying some new stuff.

1959
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 2: Bear with us. Most of the new stuff they tried

1960
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 2: didn't really work for me. But in the earlier Star

1961
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 2: time like it ended up mad, but not as much

1962
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 2: as I'd hoped because it was so bloated. We took

1963
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 2: so long to do so much shit there. The pacing

1964
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 2: was pretty poor and there were a lot of ads.

1965
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 2: But also, I don't know if this is a hot

1966
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 2: take loop, I just don't give a shit about the

1967
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 2: ads thing, you know why, because I'm not paying eighty dollars,

1968
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 2: so it's fine to put some more ads. The only

1969
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,679
Speaker 2: thing I will say in that regard that I really disliked,

1970
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 2: and I think my biggest criticism of the whole production

1971
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:34,879
Speaker 2: is that they don't show walkouts anymore. And somebody reported

1972
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 2: this that that's just part of the paramount deal. They

1973
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 2: are like the deals structurally, They're only going to show

1974
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 2: like a few and that sucks because it's one of

1975
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 2: the few times you get to see the energy of

1976
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 2: a fighter. They have even an opportunity to stand out

1977
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 2: from the faceless mass that is the UFC, and they're

1978
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 2: just not even showing that anymore. So I can get commercials,

1979
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 2: which is kind of lame. But other than that, it

1980
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 2: was a UFC. It felt very much the same. They

1981
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 2: just added a couple of things this time around.

1982
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the ads too.

1983
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess as a general perspective, I've worked

1984
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 3: with Kate Scott Kate Abdo.

1985
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: I think she's great.

1986
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 3: I think the shows she's on with CBS Sports Colaza

1987
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 3: with Jamie Kerrigher are big meeks and Terry Henree is

1988
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 3: fucking first rate.

1989
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it.

1990
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 3: I don't know that there a lot was necessarily added

1991
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 3: to the broadcast in this particular way, nor did I

1992
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 3: expect it to be. It's just a little hard to

1993
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 3: stand out, but they were trying to get it. The

1994
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 3: CBS rub fair enough shost.

1995
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: All of them.

1996
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 3: They did a certainly the job that they were tasked

1997
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 3: with doing. The pacing sucked, Dude. The Travis Barker thing,

1998
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,719
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, what the fuck is the connection

1999
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 3: between this bullshit? I've interviewed Travis Barker a number of times.

2000
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 3: He is legitimately a huge MMA fan. When I was

2001
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,679
Speaker 3: on Serious Exam and I would do their pre fight shows,

2002
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 3: he would call in every single time, and we didn't

2003
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 3: pay the guy, like he just wanted to talk fights.

2004
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 3: It was crazy. So respect to him as an MMA fan.

2005
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 3: He's a real MMA fan and that's legit. But like,

2006
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:58,560
Speaker 3: I don't need to see that shit, especially after you

2007
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 3: do the Warpicks thing. Here's what I will say though,

2008
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 3: and I think you probably agree with this, Jed. They

2009
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 3: one of the key things that they had to do

2010
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 3: this time was make it feel big, and they did,

2011
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 3: and they did it with fucking Patti Pimblet and Justin

2012
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 3: Gatchee as your main event with all the different lights

2013
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 3: in the crowd, and then the curtains dropping on that thing,

2014
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 3: and then there's Bruce ready announce yeah, and then again

2015
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 3: there's little lights that everyone had in the audience do them.

2016
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 3: They made it feel fucking big and that worked for me.

2017
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 3: Whether or not every part of the fight card delivered

2018
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 3: for you or anyone else out there watching fair enough,

2019
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,560
Speaker 3: Maybe it was just the main event or whatever your perspective.

2020
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 3: Did the UFC lean into this to make it feel

2021
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 3: like a much larger event than normal and special and

2022
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 3: that it should stand out.

2023
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: In your mind.

2024
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 3: I think that they did, and I think that's really

2025
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 3: the most important consideration, including that main event. As you indicated,

2026
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 3: then it was a bit of a success. But I

2027
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 3: do want to talk about the ads because here's my

2028
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 3: view on this. It is absolutely fucking naive to think.

2029
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's honestly mathematically possible for

2030
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:08,799
Speaker 3: the Paramount plus service to make money on this deal

2031
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 3: just doing subscription as their play, right, We're just gonna

2032
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 3: make money from how many people sign up. I don't

2033
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 3: know if folks have seen their numbers. Paramount Plus has

2034
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 3: some interesting numbers around sixty to seventy million worldwide, which

2035
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 3: is pretty big. It's a fraction of what Netflix is,

2036
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 3: but it's still pretty big. It's about double or triple

2037
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 3: depending on how you want to measure at ESPN plus.

2038
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 3: But at the same time, they would have to triple

2039
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 3: the amount of subscriptions they have with no churn to

2040
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 3: probably break even on this deal. It's just not possible.

2041
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 3: So the ads are gonna be there. But here's my thing, okay, on.

2042
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 2: This jet same do we have the same thing as

2043
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:46,680
Speaker 2: I do? Have one major criticism.

2044
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 1: I pay for YouTube Premium. I pay for it.

2045
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 3: I don't ever see ads, And as someone on YouTube,

2046
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 3: I recognize that ads is how I make a lot

2047
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 3: of money, But I pay into the premium one so

2048
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 3: that my experience using the service is on interupted, and

2049
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 3: I would pay for a tier where I could watch

2050
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 3: walkouts and I would not have to see again. They

2051
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 3: probably couldn't get rid of all the ad integrations because

2052
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 3: they were doing it like on lower thirds and on

2053
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 3: the sides of screens like during intros. You probably can't

2054
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 3: get rid of those. But if there's a if they

2055
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 3: would make a special tier where I could get rid

2056
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 3: of those other kinds of ads between rounds and walkouts.

2057
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 1: I would pay for that.

2058
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 3: It's just they don't have that available, and so I

2059
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 3: don't know what else to say.

2060
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: This is just what it's gonna be.

2061
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 2: So that is my criticism because I don't care about

2062
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 2: the ads. I'll even say I actually and this maybe

2063
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 2: is just because we shifted over and so it is different.

2064
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 2: I got a diversity of ads right that ESPN when

2065
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:44,719
Speaker 2: it was working and wasn't freezing, which credit to Paramount.

2066
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 2: Some other people had problems. I didn't have any issues

2067
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:50,560
Speaker 2: with the streams, so good on them for that. I

2068
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 2: at least got different ads. I got the same three

2069
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 2: ads of ESPN over and over and by the end

2070
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 2: of the night I want to blow my brains out.

2071
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 2: So this is that was nice. The thing that is

2072
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 2: a criticism, and I think a valid one. I signed

2073
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 2: up for the yearly Paramount thing. I was previously a

2074
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 2: month to month but now this is part of my job.

2075
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm on the yearly thing. When I signed up for

2076
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 2: the yearly one, I chose the lesser of two because

2077
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 2: they do have two tiers, and as it explains in it,

2078
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 2: the lower tier comes with ads, and I said, okay,

2079
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 2: and the higher tier they say still comes with some

2080
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 2: ads for premium stuff but has fewer ads. And I

2081
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 2: was like, and based on everything I have heard, if

2082
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:35,759
Speaker 2: you paid for the more expensive tier, there was no difference.

2083
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,600
Speaker 2: You still got the same ads. And to me, that

2084
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 2: is shitty, Like that's why why even have the Why

2085
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 2: pay fifty dollars a year extra if it's not substantly different,

2086
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 2: especially if I am coming to Paramount for the UFC,

2087
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 2: Because if I was like a random fan and I'd

2088
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 2: never had Paramount Bus and I was like, oh, I'll

2089
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,679
Speaker 2: pay the premium, I won't get ads and I'm getting

2090
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 2: the same ads, I'd be pretty upset about that. Right now.

2091
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 3: I'll also say this, and this is you know, I

2092
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 3: don't think this is good and I wouldn't want it

2093
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 3: this way. But one of the things that shocked me

2094
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 3: one time was that I watched just let me go

2095
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,839
Speaker 3: through this. I watched a the Colombian national team soccer

2096
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 3: team play. I forget who they were playing, but they

2097
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:16,679
Speaker 3: were playing and I was in Colombia at the time,

2098
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:19,520
Speaker 3: so I was watching the game on national television.

2099
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 1: There.

2100
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 3: Dude, during the fucking games, listen to this. During the

2101
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 3: fucking games, They'll play an ad on the screen. It

2102
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 3: won't block up the entire screen, but it takes up

2103
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 3: a lot of real estate. And then the audio goes

2104
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 3: over the top and they kill the audio of the

2105
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 3: broadcast itself, so you just have to hear the commercial

2106
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:40,759
Speaker 3: play through and it doesn't matter what action is happening

2107
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 3: on the field. So they usually play it when the

2108
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:45,759
Speaker 3: ball is like ad midfield or something.

2109
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 1: They kind of strategically wait.

2110
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 3: But I've seen it where they're like they're in scoring

2111
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 3: drives and they're getting close and then they're trying to

2112
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 3: attack and you're hearing like ads for fucking you know,

2113
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 3: Coca Cola or whatever over the top, and I'm like, dude,

2114
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 3: I hope this is not our few sure. To me,

2115
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,599
Speaker 3: it was an enormous amount. They didn't do something like that.

2116
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 3: They didn't interrupt like the integrity of the actual fight

2117
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:11,639
Speaker 3: broadcast during the fights themselves, but it got close to it.

2118
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 3: And I've seen worse. But I'm just hoping that that's

2119
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 3: not a roadmap for the future. I'll just say that.

2120
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be real, Matt because of the difference

2121
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 2: of the sport, right, But like I've always thought that

2122
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 2: that's sort of how they should do ads anyway, right,

2123
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 2: especially for live sports, is like give me a constant

2124
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 2: feed of the of the game and you can go

2125
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 2: back like picture and picture, here's the ad with the audio.

2126
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 2: They do it on red zone and they pick like

2127
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 2: the boring time of red zone where nothing's happening. Now

2128
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:42,439
Speaker 2: that red zone has ads, which is bullshit or whatever,

2129
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 2: and they pull it up and here's the ad. But

2130
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 2: you never lose feed. I don't know why they can't

2131
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 2: do that. For the UFC, it's like here, here's the

2132
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,679
Speaker 2: cage or whatever is happening, Like the broadcast that would

2133
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 2: be without ads. We just have this Sharman ad running

2134
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 2: with audio for fifteen seconds and that would be fine,

2135
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 2: but like if you're I would at least be better

2136
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 2: and it won't happen as you were putting it for that,

2137
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:09,679
Speaker 2: because the unique dynamic of soccer is it is forty

2138
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 2: five uninterrupted minutes and then another forty five uninterrupted minutes.

2139
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:15,599
Speaker 2: If you're gonna put ads, you gotta go over action.

2140
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 2: You don't have to do that for the fights. You

2141
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 2: can pretty easily parcel it away.

2142
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, for a point, let's talk about, well, actually know

2143
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 3: what Dana was asked about the amount of ads.

2144
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

2145
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 10: Obviously, we are no longer on pay per view, so

2146
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,719
Speaker 10: where was a bit of a different viewing experience tonight.

2147
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 10: There's a lot of ads during the broadcast, sometimes over

2148
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 10: the walks and sometimes over the corner work. Is that

2149
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 10: something fans are gonna have to get used to or

2150
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 10: is that a work in progress that you'll change?

2151
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 9: I haven't seen it yet, and all of this is

2152
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,600
Speaker 9: a work in progress. It's eight ninety nine. You're not

2153
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 9: paying fucking you know. However, much more of these guys

2154
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 9: kind of make some money too.

2155
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 10: So yeah, would that be something that they decide or

2156
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 10: would you watch it back and maybe think, okay, the

2157
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 10: co main event, we should still hear the corner work

2158
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 10: or are you just like listen parent not paid for it.

2159
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 10: They get to decide, Well.

2160
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:04,040
Speaker 9: That is a fact, let's start there. But these guys

2161
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,639
Speaker 9: are incredible to work with already, so we'll figure it out.

2162
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean again, I understand if people aren't used to it.

2163
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with data, like, bro, the shit is

2164
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 3: cheap it would you this is the question, right? Ultimately,

2165
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 3: would you rather be back on the ESPN deal and

2166
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 3: then have to pay for pay per views or do

2167
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:26,640
Speaker 3: you want ads? And it's a much cheaper price, and

2168
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 3: I honestly think that most people are gonna be like,

2169
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:30,600
Speaker 3: I'll just live with the ads.

2170
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's fine.

2171
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:32,760
Speaker 1: Man.

2172
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 2: Again, I I'm surprised they went this heavy this early,

2173
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 2: because usually your first encounter, especially one that was very

2174
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 2: openly about, you know, new new fan acquisition, like this

2175
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 2: was an acquiring event for them for them to not

2176
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 2: just like we're not even gonna have any ads just

2177
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 2: because this is all frontloaded to draw you in and

2178
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:57,680
Speaker 2: then we shit a fhy later. But that's not what

2179
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 2: they did. And I think that's fine, right, because yeah,

2180
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 2: I don't I want to be able to see the

2181
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 2: corners for the biggest fights, so that's annoying. But if

2182
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 2: you want to do this, I feel I'm with Dana,

2183
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 2: and I don't ever say that well, like, yeah, they

2184
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 2: got to find a way to make money, and this

2185
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 2: is this is the price you get. There ain't nothing

2186
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:17,800
Speaker 2: free in life.

2187
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Loop.

2188
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 2: The money's got to come from somewhere.

2189
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 3: Is gonna come from this economics one oh one, there's

2190
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 3: no such thing as a free lunch. Let's talk a

2191
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 3: little bit about the discretionary bonuses. They got rid of them, right,

2192
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 3: So these like backroom bonuses of whatever. They ended up

2193
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 3: being three thousand dollars in terms of what they show.

2194
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 3: But I'm sure they go higher than that, of course,

2195
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 3: and they have gone higher. So instead, what they're doing

2196
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 3: is they're going to change the bonus structure. So anytime,

2197
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 3: here's what it says, our friend the air bron setter

2198
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 3: has the tweet. It goes like this, performance of the

2199
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:46,599
Speaker 3: Night bonuses are going to be raised from fifty grand

2200
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,640
Speaker 3: to one hundred grand. Additionally, any fighter who scores a

2201
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 3: KO or submission win just automatically earns a twenty five

2202
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 3: thousand dollars bonus if they were not selected as the

2203
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars bonus winner. Now, not included in

2204
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 3: this tweet is another reality, which is Alex Perez, for example,

2205
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:02,719
Speaker 3: scored a submission win, but he missed weight, so therefore

2206
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 3: he was not eligible for either a performance bonus or

2207
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 3: that twenty five thousand dollars automatic finish bonus. Now I've

2208
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 3: seen some back of the envelope math done by folks

2209
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 3: like John Nash and others, and basically this adds about

2210
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 3: eight and a half million total, give or take to

2211
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 3: the year. The total outlays in this in this bonus program,

2212
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 3: which you know, I mean they were given out seventy

2213
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars bonuses in almost fifteen years ago, which

2214
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 3: if you do the math on inflation, is about one

2215
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 3: hundred and ten thousand dollars today. I don't want to

2216
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 3: come out here and say, oh, it's no big deal

2217
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 3: that they're doubling bonuses or whatnot.

2218
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: I do want I just want to say this. I

2219
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 1: just want to say this.

2220
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 3: It's nice that the bonuses are bigger, and it's nice

2221
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 3: that if you get a finish you automatically get a bonus.

2222
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that on their face they're bad. What

2223
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 3: I'm asking people to do is stop looking at the

2224
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 3: sticker price and then just do some arithmetic and what

2225
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 3: your notice is this is a total outlay of less

2226
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 3: than the eight that they got at this one event.

2227
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:05,560
Speaker 3: I just hope everyone understands we're talking about chump change

2228
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 3: in a seven point seven billion dollar deal.

2229
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:12,719
Speaker 2: Dude, Luke. This is not true for for the mk fans,

2230
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 2: who are smart, educated, brilliant people. I'm in the comments

2231
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 2: I know of which of them, Yes, all of them. Really,

2232
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:24,680
Speaker 2: they're all the best people. This fan base thinks that

2233
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 2: Josh Josh Hokitt is a genius and a vanguard, and

2234
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 2: like you're expecting them to do the math on inflation.

2235
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 2: Come on, Like, I'm not. I just don't care enough.

2236
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 2: I'm having too good a day to be like, yes,

2237
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 2: this is more, but it's not at all what they're worth.

2238
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 4: It's dope.

2239
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 2: This was like, unambiguously the best thing to happen.

2240
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 10: Uh.

2241
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 2: Surrounding the new paramount deal is this because one shifting

2242
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 2: to a finished bonus. I year, for years I have

2243
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,879
Speaker 2: been like, what they should do is stop giving performance

2244
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 2: bonuses and give finished bonuses. That's the best way to

2245
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 2: incentivize this sport to be more exciting because I was

2246
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 2: limited and was like, there's just no way they're going

2247
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:14,240
Speaker 2: to add more money and then still do performance bonuses too,

2248
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:17,519
Speaker 2: and shows what I know this new deal, They're like, fine,

2249
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 2: we can do it. Unambiguously good. I think it's weird

2250
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 2: that twenty five is the finished bonus because that's like,

2251
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 2: especially at the high end level of the sport, like

2252
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 2: when you are the championship level fighters, that's a pretty

2253
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 2: insignificant amount to like pursue a finish, right, like nobody,

2254
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 2: nobody in a championship fight is going to try harder

2255
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 2: for twenty five grand. The finishes will be incidental. And

2256
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 2: theoretically this is an incentive bonus, and so I don't

2257
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 2: know why that wouldn't at least be fifty. But dude,

2258
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 2: like Time Miller got a performance bonus, got one hundred grand.

2259
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 2: That's legitimately life changing money for him. Right, he can't

2260
01:48:56,600 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 2: retire forever, but that's you know, Time Miller Zoom was

2261
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 2: on a ten and ten, twelve and twelve contract and

2262
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 2: he got paid his show and win money, and now

2263
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:09,360
Speaker 2: he got one hundred grand. Taxes and fees come out,

2264
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:12,160
Speaker 2: but he can. Maybe that's the difference between him being

2265
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 2: a professional fighter and a fighter who still goes and

2266
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,639
Speaker 2: works at the post office or whatever. So unambiguous win

2267
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 2: for them. I think this is it's long overdue and

2268
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 2: it should be for more, but I'm happy about it.

2269
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 1: Uh A, Long Island is saying it's not for submission.

2270
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 1: My understanding is it's any finish.

2271
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:31,719
Speaker 4: No, sorry, Luke, you misspoke.

2272
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 5: Earlier you said Alex Perez got a submission win and

2273
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 5: he got telling you.

2274
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:37,920
Speaker 1: Yes, no, of course he did not. Yes, I apologize.

2275
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:42,120
Speaker 3: Indeed, not much to say on this dominic Ruz because

2276
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 3: of entering the UFC Hall of Fame again.

2277
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure what there is to

2278
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: say other than an.

2279
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 3: Easy, easy call about brand who clearly were the higher

2280
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 3: achievers in the sport.

2281
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 1: No issue there, I'm sure I have.

2282
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 2: I have one thought, because I on a easy this

2283
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 2: is there's nobody could argue with it. I do kind

2284
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 2: of wish the UFC would have maybe not like a

2285
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 2: you know, the NFL, it's like a five year waiting period.

2286
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 2: I do think it might be better if there was

2287
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 2: a little bit of a waiting period. As he retired

2288
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,880
Speaker 2: last year, let's put him in the hall. He's one.

2289
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,639
Speaker 2: You also get fighters unretired. I don't think that's gonna

2290
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:22,840
Speaker 2: happen with dom I'm pretty done, but like you could,

2291
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 2: it might be nicer. Like last year when Mark Kerr

2292
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 2: got inducted. It was like, oh shit, man Mark Kerr

2293
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:31,320
Speaker 2: like it. It was this kind of fun thing, like, oh,

2294
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:34,360
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about his career and the smashing machine

2295
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:38,759
Speaker 2: was happening and stuff. But it felt more celebratory because

2296
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,639
Speaker 2: it had been some time as opposed to oh, you're

2297
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 2: obviously going in and you're retired, let's just let's wash

2298
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 2: you through.

2299
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 3: Fair enough, I'd be okay with a bit of a

2300
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:51,200
Speaker 3: waiting time as well, which is again how traditional Hall

2301
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 3: of Fames do it.

2302
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:55,719
Speaker 1: But he was going to go in sooner or later.

2303
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:57,599
Speaker 2: Again that's a nitpick.

2304
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 3: And then, last but not least, here's kind of interesting.

2305
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 3: People are complaining about the pacing at UFC three twenty four,

2306
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 3: which fair. Even the UFC Zone Craig Borsorry, I think,

2307
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:07,800
Speaker 3: was tweeting being like, Okay, this is a little bit

2308
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:08,839
Speaker 3: of a special example.

2309
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 1: It won't necessarily be this way going forward.

2310
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 3: But what was interesting was if you watch Zuva boxing,

2311
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:17,480
Speaker 3: the pacing was immediate. I mean their pacing was fantastic.

2312
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:18,679
Speaker 3: Now it was nothing but decision.

2313
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 2: The only good thing about that broadcast.

2314
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:23,760
Speaker 3: Yes, how do you feel about ZUFA Boxing one? What

2315
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 3: did you take away from that?

2316
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:29,000
Speaker 2: Uh, this is not a bit. I fell asleep, I

2317
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:30,560
Speaker 2: was on my couch and I put it on to

2318
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 2: see and my immediate reaction was this is these are

2319
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:38,640
Speaker 2: apex boxing matches, because that's what it was like. It

2320
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:42,599
Speaker 2: just it felt like you put a UFC Patina over

2321
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:47,559
Speaker 2: club level boxing bouts, and I fell asleep and I

2322
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:51,440
Speaker 2: woke up to kalamolsh getting knocked down and winning. Uh,

2323
01:51:51,479 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 2: and so like it's fine, but if you are not

2324
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 2: a boxing fan, like if you are a UFC fan

2325
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:58,080
Speaker 2: or a fight fan, I don't know that this has

2326
01:51:58,160 --> 01:51:58,719
Speaker 2: major appeal.

2327
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 3: At least that has nothing for people were checking MMA

2328
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 3: fans were checking it out.

2329
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:03,280
Speaker 1: They're not gonna last.

2330
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 2: They're not. And I like, here's how you know it's bad.

2331
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:10,760
Speaker 2: Dana was critical, like of the first one. He was

2332
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 2: just like one of our best stuff. It's like, yeah,

2333
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:16,960
Speaker 2: and maybe it'll get better. Boxing is certainly boxing as

2334
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 2: we know, it is much more star driven than the

2335
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 2: UFC has become a year like over the years. Uh.

2336
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:24,759
Speaker 2: And you know it looks like they got gio Opati.

2337
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true or not, but you know,

2338
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 2: there's big names, so that'll be more interesting. But like

2339
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:35,360
Speaker 2: this was this is sort of the worst possible of like, oh,

2340
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 2: here are all the things that might be bad if

2341
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 2: the UFC gets involved. Here it's just more of the same,

2342
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:44,679
Speaker 2: and it it very much felt like that, to say

2343
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 2: nothing of Max Kellerman, who, hey man, I will sell

2344
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:54,720
Speaker 2: out for the right price. Too good, Lord, that was embarrassing.

2345
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this moment all my life. Luke

2346
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:02,240
Speaker 2: soof of boxing has not been an idea for more

2347
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 2: than like five years. What are we talking about that?

2348
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 1: And the part to me that just drives me nuts

2349
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:08,800
Speaker 1: about him and we can move on. I've said that.

2350
01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:12,639
Speaker 3: At this point, but it's like, the thing that drives

2351
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 3: me nuts is he wants to always talk about how

2352
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:17,400
Speaker 3: it's better to have like a governing central not body

2353
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 3: per se, but a promoter who occupies a central role

2354
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:22,519
Speaker 3: as like you know, with the NFL, a rough equivalent

2355
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 3: of what the NFL means.

2356
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:25,600
Speaker 1: For football or NBA for basketball.

2357
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:27,559
Speaker 3: And it's like, fine, I'm not even willing to I'm

2358
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 3: not even opposed to the idea that there can be

2359
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:32,280
Speaker 3: a way which that can be a good system, although

2360
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:35,439
Speaker 3: also not a guarantee. But what I what he never

2361
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 3: ever ever addresses, of course, are the fact that the

2362
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 3: system that they're trying to import from MMA leads to

2363
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 3: a downstream system of you know what you want to

2364
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 3: call an exploitation abuse in the workplace or is in

2365
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 3: terms of wages and how how money is distributed, and

2366
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:52,240
Speaker 3: that this has yielded class action lawsuits and you know,

2367
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 3: generational consternation, and then he just utterly ignores it. And

2368
01:53:56,520 --> 01:53:58,920
Speaker 3: it just constantly harps on the one part that yes,

2369
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:01,240
Speaker 3: there could be again to guarantee there could be some

2370
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 3: benefit from it. It just drives me nuts. But I've

2371
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 3: said enough on him. So whatever, you know, I guess

2372
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:07,200
Speaker 3: he's got bills to pay.

2373
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2374
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:11,400
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm not knocking that. I'm sure that that check

2375
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 2: is good. But my biggest thought was, like, man, that

2376
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:16,760
Speaker 2: check must be real good. He's just laying it on.

2377
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 2: He is laying it on thick.

2378
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:20,800
Speaker 1: He just won't stop. All right.

2379
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 3: That is our top five. But now it is time

2380
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 3: for all of you to ask us questions. It's time

2381
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 3: for dms from donks. And the donkey has ejaculated, all right,

2382
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 3: So this is how it works. On Sundays, we ask

2383
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:42,320
Speaker 3: you guys on ig for your questions.

2384
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 1: You can do that at morning.

2385
01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 3: I think it's morning combat on Instagram. Let's go first

2386
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 3: to our friend at put it up on the screen.

2387
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:50,919
Speaker 3: I want to read it this way from MMA fan Belfast.

2388
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 3: I would love to go to Belfast first, Jose Aldo

2389
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:56,280
Speaker 3: and now justin Gaichie. How are why do such unbelievable

2390
01:54:56,360 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 3: leg kickers turn into headhunters? For me, jed he wanted

2391
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 3: to be in boxing range more and I know he

2392
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,200
Speaker 3: can kick at close range, but to me, this was

2393
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 3: purposeful about being inside of punching range and then denying

2394
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,040
Speaker 3: the kind of space where Patty can also do that

2395
01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:15,879
Speaker 3: kind of a work. More broadly is a different conversation,

2396
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:18,360
Speaker 3: but in this particular fight, I understand it.

2397
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:18,760
Speaker 1: Actually.

2398
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like people on Finnite were very into this, and

2399
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:24,840
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that makes sense to me that

2400
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 2: he wouldn't do this one Like, I know that kicking

2401
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 2: is a very good weapon, and we start. He started

2402
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 2: to do that in the later rounds a little bit,

2403
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 2: but mainly it was Patty can kick with me, and

2404
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:40,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. Also, if I kick him,

2405
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 2: the likelihood of be getting taken down is it goes up,

2406
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 2: and that's how I'm going to lose this fight. So

2407
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:48,880
Speaker 2: this was a strategic thing of not going to As

2408
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:51,080
Speaker 2: the fight wore on and it became very evident Patty

2409
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 2: wasn't getting him down, he started to open up the

2410
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:54,360
Speaker 2: kicks a little more, maybe not as much as you want,

2411
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:57,080
Speaker 2: but also like I don't know about the whole head

2412
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:59,560
Speaker 2: hunting thing. I would much prefer to see him throw

2413
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 2: to the b a lot more because I've always thought

2414
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:06,120
Speaker 2: she just doesn't do that nearly enough, especially how the

2415
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:07,040
Speaker 2: rest of his game works.

2416
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 4: Would be huge.

2417
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 2: But it's not like he was head hunting and missing.

2418
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:15,360
Speaker 2: He kept head hunting and killing him. So keep doing it.

2419
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 2: But then you go back and look at the stats,

2420
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 2: like against PHYSIV, he didn't throw that many. Against Max,

2421
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:23,920
Speaker 2: he threw like forty or something like. This isn't This

2422
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:26,680
Speaker 2: is not a Jose Aldo full blown. One of my

2423
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:29,160
Speaker 2: best weapons is just something I no longer use, which

2424
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 2: was always a little weird for Aldo. I think this

2425
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 2: was just a strategic decision for this matchup.

2426
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:39,839
Speaker 3: From Brantendo sixty four, he says is the last generation

2427
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:41,960
Speaker 3: of the lightweight division, the most stubborn old guard in

2428
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 3: UFC history. That's a good question. I feel like they've

2429
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 3: only lost to each other or potential goats. John Jones

2430
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:53,040
Speaker 3: decimated two oh five, and it's never been the same

2431
01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:59,120
Speaker 3: since heavyweight they kind of aged out. I'm trying to

2432
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 3: think who was stubborn and on their way out the door.

2433
01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:02,640
Speaker 3: This is one of the biggest examples of.

2434
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 4: Them, So.

2435
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:08,240
Speaker 2: I agree with the premise the heart of this question,

2436
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:13,360
Speaker 2: because yes, like they're good, but again, look at the

2437
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 2: women's bandam Waight top fifteen. It's been the same for

2438
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,280
Speaker 2: fifteen years, Like that old guard is hanging around, But

2439
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 2: that's more reflection of how bad the division is. Lightweight

2440
01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:25,960
Speaker 2: still whips. These guys are just incredible all.

2441
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 3: Timers from fit Man Eats. Thoughts on the canceled bout

2442
01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:35,120
Speaker 3: due to the investigation, we kind of covered this one.

2443
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 1: I'll just say this.

2444
01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:37,920
Speaker 3: I didn't say this during when we were talking about it.

2445
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm not saying to the UC couldn't have been more

2446
01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:42,480
Speaker 3: proactive about early in the week kind of flagging that

2447
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 3: this might have been an issue, and they had probably

2448
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:47,000
Speaker 3: had some indication that there was an injury. However, what

2449
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say is if a betting firm goes to

2450
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:52,480
Speaker 3: them and says we have suspicious betting and then they

2451
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 3: pull the fight, that is a good thing and that

2452
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:58,000
Speaker 3: is the correct decision. And they made the correct decision.

2453
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, this was like, this is how

2454
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:04,840
Speaker 2: it should work optimally, Because I don't know how much

2455
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:07,880
Speaker 2: they knew that an injury was possible, right, Like they

2456
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:10,360
Speaker 2: do medicals, but fighters lie on medicals all the time.

2457
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:14,200
Speaker 2: Michaels being famously pretended he had working eyeballs and would

2458
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 2: still fly through. So like maybe they just straight up

2459
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 2: didn't know. But I, you know, in a very purely

2460
01:58:23,200 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 2: hypothetical scenario, I am interested in, like the downstream effects

2461
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:34,320
Speaker 2: of the UFC just canceling bouts based on hearsay and

2462
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:37,880
Speaker 2: or you know, line movement, because like, what does that

2463
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 2: look like? Luke, let me ask you this. It's easy

2464
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 2: and correct to pull this fight one hundred percent agree,

2465
01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:48,760
Speaker 2: What if that line movement was in the main event,

2466
01:58:49,680 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 2: would they have done the same thing for the marquee

2467
01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:55,200
Speaker 2: bout as opposed to random prelim bout.

2468
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. Probably the answer is probably not.

2469
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 3: However, to their credits, the wrong word, and it's not

2470
01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 3: even a benefit per se.

2471
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:09,560
Speaker 1: But the way in which whoever is getting.

2472
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:11,560
Speaker 3: These fighters to throw fights, and again people can use

2473
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:14,960
Speaker 3: their imagination, they're picking on a certain class a fighter,

2474
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:17,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, rather than that's been the.

2475
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:20,840
Speaker 2: Case through the history of throwing fights. But like, I

2476
01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 2: wish somebody had asked Dana when he said this, because

2477
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:27,040
Speaker 2: like we said, fully agree with the choice, but I

2478
01:59:27,080 --> 01:59:29,560
Speaker 2: wonder where the line is on which fights they would

2479
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:31,920
Speaker 2: do and not do. If shawna Valley saw a Dong

2480
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,440
Speaker 2: had it that's not the main event, maybe they would

2481
01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:36,760
Speaker 2: have pulled it if suddenly, you know, the line moved

2482
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 2: two hundred points there it is. I think that this

2483
01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 2: is broadly the correct decision. I'm interested in, basically what

2484
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:48,040
Speaker 2: it means that betting patterns can dictate whether a fight

2485
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 2: happens or not.

2486
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:52,360
Speaker 3: Now, all right, let's move to the next one from

2487
01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:56,000
Speaker 3: flannels and JITs. After seeing the first show, what are

2488
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 3: your expectations for what the paramount era will be for

2489
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:02,560
Speaker 3: the UFC. I wouldn't read too much into the first event,

2490
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, not yet anyway. Let's I

2491
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:06,960
Speaker 3: think a pattern has to emerge before everyone can just

2492
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:08,600
Speaker 3: be ready for what it all means.

2493
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,400
Speaker 2: I think I learned nothing from this that I didn't

2494
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,560
Speaker 2: already know. It's going to be the same. The UC

2495
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:17,600
Speaker 2: has not grown to what they are because they are

2496
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:22,600
Speaker 2: an amorphis shifting into tea. They have staked their claim

2497
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:24,760
Speaker 2: they are what they are. They brought much of their

2498
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:29,120
Speaker 2: production team over to CBS. There might be some new things,

2499
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:31,800
Speaker 2: some a bell and whistle here, or there. But this

2500
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:33,760
Speaker 2: is going to be the same UFC you've been watching,

2501
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 2: just at a different price point in America.

2502
02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 3: Last, but not least from MJ Silverfang. Will you guys

2503
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 3: make Jed actually shower and brush his teeth for the

2504
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:45,120
Speaker 3: next pregame preview?

2505
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:48,240
Speaker 2: Jed, I did shower. I'm showered right now.

2506
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:49,520
Speaker 1: Do you brush those fangs?

2507
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:52,800
Speaker 2: Look, we don't need to talk about my dental hygiene,

2508
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:56,160
Speaker 2: but I did shower. I showered last time.

2509
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:58,800
Speaker 3: I have brushed my teeth, but I have not showered,

2510
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:03,680
Speaker 3: so I look you look that look fantastic. Uh A

2511
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:05,480
Speaker 3: long Island, Luke. I'm sorry to do this. I need

2512
02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:08,080
Speaker 3: one more time. There are children running in and out

2513
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:10,320
Speaker 3: of my house, and I need to go see if

2514
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:12,160
Speaker 3: I need to call the cops very quickly because.

2515
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:12,720
Speaker 4: I don't children.

2516
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:14,400
Speaker 1: You added another for folks who don't know.

2517
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:17,600
Speaker 3: It's a fucking snow day and I have neighborhood kids everywhere.

2518
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:19,120
Speaker 1: And then there's I can just have it.

2519
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:20,520
Speaker 3: You guys have one of those things more when the

2520
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:23,320
Speaker 3: door opens, there's like it's not an alarm, but it's

2521
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:25,640
Speaker 3: like the front door open. Yeah, and all I hear

2522
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:27,360
Speaker 3: when you guys are when Jed's talking. All I hear

2523
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:29,880
Speaker 3: is front door open, front door open, back door open,

2524
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:31,240
Speaker 3: front door open, back door open.

2525
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, back door open.

2526
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:34,440
Speaker 2: I'll be right, go chack gun and I'll put Jeb

2527
02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:37,480
Speaker 2: love it when the back door's open. Yeah, long island, Luke,

2528
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:37,920
Speaker 2: what's going on?

2529
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:38,160
Speaker 1: Man?

2530
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:40,400
Speaker 4: Nothing? We do have one more segment, Jed.

2531
02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:42,880
Speaker 5: I know I can't put us both on screen right now,

2532
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:46,840
Speaker 5: which is unfortunate because else is bull. But either way

2533
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:49,000
Speaker 5: it is higher or lower. Guys, we did do it

2534
02:01:49,120 --> 02:01:53,440
Speaker 5: last what Friday with Oscar? Or two fridays ago?

2535
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did two Fridays. We did last Friday.

2536
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:56,880
Speaker 4: I was there. Yeah.

2537
02:01:56,920 --> 02:01:58,840
Speaker 5: So half of them are silly. Half of them are

2538
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:02,120
Speaker 5: combat sport it's related. Most of them are combat sports related.

2539
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:04,440
Speaker 5: All of them, dare I say, are combat sports related.

2540
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:07,280
Speaker 5: But either way it should be fun. Elt looks like

2541
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 5: he's back all right, I'm back all right.

2542
02:02:09,200 --> 02:02:12,720
Speaker 3: Of course your back door open, both of them, fucking

2543
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:13,280
Speaker 3: both of them.

2544
02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:15,920
Speaker 1: It's five degrees in my living room right now. This

2545
02:02:16,040 --> 02:02:16,560
Speaker 1: is amazing.

2546
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:18,400
Speaker 4: I mean, sounds comfortable.

2547
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:21,560
Speaker 2: ELTI very inviting, what a very inviting home you have?

2548
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:25,400
Speaker 5: Come on in, Elt, We're playing higher or lower again.

2549
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 5: So Okay, here it is higher or lower?

2550
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:36,080
Speaker 1: All right?

2551
02:02:36,080 --> 02:02:39,040
Speaker 5: Eltie Europe first, but obviously Jed feel free to chime

2552
02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:42,200
Speaker 5: in as well. Sean O'Malley obviously might be next for

2553
02:02:42,240 --> 02:02:44,840
Speaker 5: pyotr Jan, but he said he's willing to wait for

2554
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:49,080
Speaker 5: the Yon Morob trilogy to play out. So higher lower

2555
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:51,280
Speaker 5: than one and a half the amount of fights Sean

2556
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:54,640
Speaker 5: O'Malley will have for the remainder of twenty twenty six.

2557
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:56,040
Speaker 1: I'll take the under one.

2558
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna have one.

2559
02:02:58,040 --> 02:03:01,000
Speaker 4: And who is it gonna be against?

2560
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying Umar because I believe Look I call. I

2561
02:03:05,800 --> 02:03:08,240
Speaker 2: didn't really in my heart think Justin Gage is going

2562
02:03:08,240 --> 02:03:10,200
Speaker 2: to beat Patty Pimlet, but I just kept saying he

2563
02:03:10,240 --> 02:03:13,240
Speaker 2: would do it. I'm I'm very in on the secret

2564
02:03:13,800 --> 02:03:18,400
Speaker 2: and speaking truth to power. So let's let's go for Umar.

2565
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:20,160
Speaker 2: Let's make it happen, all right.

2566
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:22,360
Speaker 5: But see, I feel like if he fights Umar, win

2567
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:24,879
Speaker 5: or lose, he's probably gonna fight again in twenty twenty.

2568
02:03:24,720 --> 02:03:28,000
Speaker 2: Six, because he's not gonna fight Umar until like the summer,

2569
02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:29,640
Speaker 2: and then he'll just be out for a while because

2570
02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:31,800
Speaker 2: then he'll be either waiting for a title fight or

2571
02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:34,320
Speaker 2: contemplating his career future.

2572
02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:37,480
Speaker 5: All right, jud this one's for you. We obviously know

2573
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:39,440
Speaker 5: you're a big fan of the Georgia Bulldogs. We know

2574
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:41,680
Speaker 5: everyone you know you bark when you're a Georgia Bullet.

2575
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:45,880
Speaker 5: Oh O go dogs. Yeah, we also know John Silva

2576
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:48,960
Speaker 5: is a big fan of barking. So higher lower than

2577
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:51,160
Speaker 5: three and a half the amount of times you barked

2578
02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:54,480
Speaker 5: along with John Silva during fight week zero.

2579
02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:58,320
Speaker 2: I love Jean Silva a whole lot, except for his

2580
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:02,040
Speaker 2: gimmicks are the gim of surfing on a dude A plus.

2581
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:07,160
Speaker 2: We love that. The most that he communicates exclusively through

2582
02:04:07,200 --> 02:04:11,480
Speaker 2: barking is it's a bit tedious at this point in time, right.

2583
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:12,960
Speaker 1: He's got to do what?

2584
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:16,000
Speaker 3: Why are his nipples the size of pencil erasers?

2585
02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:18,480
Speaker 1: I mean, they're very, very tilting to me.

2586
02:04:18,720 --> 02:04:20,600
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta tell you, I have not spent

2587
02:04:20,680 --> 02:04:24,200
Speaker 2: a lot of time dissecting the nipples of Jean Silvo.

2588
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 2: You and I watch fights in a different way.

2589
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:28,440
Speaker 3: My friend, Yeah, Well, I got a big ass screen

2590
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:29,920
Speaker 3: right in front of me, and my man's out there

2591
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:31,800
Speaker 3: cutting glass with those things, and I was like, that's

2592
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:33,080
Speaker 3: a lot I need to see.

2593
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:37,720
Speaker 2: All that is men's featherweight. Luke's BC's strawweight. Is that

2594
02:04:37,800 --> 02:04:38,600
Speaker 2: what's going on here?

2595
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2596
02:04:38,920 --> 02:04:42,880
Speaker 4: He's like, God, they have the best nipples in thatis that?

2597
02:04:43,160 --> 02:04:46,040
Speaker 2: Those are some pretty sick areolas on John Silva.

2598
02:04:46,120 --> 02:04:47,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't say that. I just know those things

2599
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:49,640
Speaker 3: stuck out and it was annoying. All right, let's be

2600
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:52,360
Speaker 3: let's calm calm your tits. How about that?

2601
02:04:52,480 --> 02:04:52,840
Speaker 1: Do that?

2602
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:53,480
Speaker 2: Lt.

2603
02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:56,920
Speaker 5: Dana obviously admitted we talked about it, that the Johnson

2604
02:04:56,920 --> 02:04:59,560
Speaker 5: Hernandez fight was canceled after receiving a call from the

2605
02:04:59,640 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 5: Gaming Integrity Service. We know that they also reached out

2606
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:06,320
Speaker 5: for the Dulgarian del Ville fight last year, but that

2607
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:08,080
Speaker 5: was really the first time we've ever heard of them

2608
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:10,640
Speaker 5: being in the spotlight reaching out to the UFC. It

2609
02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:12,960
Speaker 5: makes me think of how many times they've reached out

2610
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:16,000
Speaker 5: and the UFC just brushed it under the rug. So

2611
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:18,960
Speaker 5: my question to you is higher lower than four and

2612
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:22,360
Speaker 5: a half the amount of calls Dana has gotten from

2613
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:25,760
Speaker 5: the Gaming in Integrity Service in the last ten years.

2614
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:28,520
Speaker 3: Take the over on that one, yeah, okay, to take

2615
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:30,360
Speaker 3: the over on that one hard, all right?

2616
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:31,040
Speaker 4: So what are you thinking?

2617
02:05:31,080 --> 02:05:33,520
Speaker 5: What what would have been a better higher or lower.

2618
02:05:33,400 --> 02:05:36,800
Speaker 1: Like what what should double that? Yeah?

2619
02:05:36,840 --> 02:05:38,520
Speaker 4: I think at least once a year.

2620
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:41,280
Speaker 1: In the last ten years, at least.

2621
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:44,360
Speaker 4: Once, yes, yeah, yeah, Jed, you're integrations.

2622
02:05:44,040 --> 02:05:47,240
Speaker 3: Or at least on average, I mean because obviously you

2623
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:50,280
Speaker 3: know gay or you know, but daily fantasy and then

2624
02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:54,680
Speaker 3: turning that into you know, more recreational gambling is relatively new,

2625
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:57,120
Speaker 3: so but on average you have to be harder than that.

2626
02:05:57,440 --> 02:05:59,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Jed, this one's for you.

2627
02:05:59,520 --> 02:05:59,680
Speaker 7: Uh.

2628
02:06:00,240 --> 02:06:03,640
Speaker 5: Lewis obviously didn't look great on Saturday, but heavyweight is

2629
02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:06,080
Speaker 5: so bad that I still think at forty years old,

2630
02:06:06,160 --> 02:06:09,640
Speaker 5: he is a viable resource. So my question to you,

2631
02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:11,200
Speaker 5: you can pull up the rankings if you need to

2632
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,440
Speaker 5: higher or lower than seven and a half the amount

2633
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:18,320
Speaker 5: of top fifteen heavyweights you would favor Derek Lewis to

2634
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:20,920
Speaker 5: win over I mean.

2635
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:25,400
Speaker 2: A top fifteen. So basically, can he beat more than

2636
02:06:25,480 --> 02:06:30,200
Speaker 2: half of the current ranked heavyweights. I'm going to reflexively

2637
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:33,400
Speaker 2: say I would favor him fewer, but let's go through

2638
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:36,120
Speaker 2: it real fast. I assume we're counting Tom Asmol as

2639
02:06:36,160 --> 02:06:40,960
Speaker 2: a champion. No zero gone, no Volkov, no Pavovich, no Blades,

2640
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:45,120
Speaker 2: no WCA, no, I'll made a no. I mean he

2641
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:47,040
Speaker 2: has lost to all of these. Yeah, it was just

2642
02:06:47,080 --> 02:06:50,720
Speaker 2: this point, so that's seven right there, seven straight.

2643
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:52,400
Speaker 4: No, but look at this back half. Look at this

2644
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:52,960
Speaker 4: back half.

2645
02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:58,600
Speaker 2: I mean he can't count himself. Spevac no Delia, I

2646
02:06:58,640 --> 02:07:06,120
Speaker 2: mean no, not off that laud performance. Tibera, No, I wouldn't.

2647
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:08,480
Speaker 2: That's the thing. He could beat them, Like, once we

2648
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:11,960
Speaker 2: get past Spevac, It's like he could beat these people.

2649
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:17,400
Speaker 2: I still wouldn't favor him against Daliya, Tibera, Kadziev. I

2650
02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:20,320
Speaker 2: know he lost to ty To Ivasa, but like they

2651
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:23,520
Speaker 2: kind of should just fight again because they're both in shambles. Yeah,

2652
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:27,120
Speaker 2: big part, like I under by a mile.

2653
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:29,760
Speaker 4: All right, I would have thought that was a good line.

2654
02:07:30,120 --> 02:07:32,880
Speaker 2: I would favor him against Talison to Shaa because he

2655
02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:33,800
Speaker 2: just beat him.

2656
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:35,440
Speaker 1: LT.

2657
02:07:36,120 --> 02:07:37,560
Speaker 4: We know you didn't want to see debt and co

2658
02:07:37,680 --> 02:07:40,400
Speaker 4: at the sphere with PC, but I would rather get

2659
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:40,880
Speaker 4: fucked to death.

2660
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:44,720
Speaker 5: Okay, but you did that, so that means you you

2661
02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:46,280
Speaker 5: want to get very specific.

2662
02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:47,520
Speaker 1: No, that's not what that means.

2663
02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:49,600
Speaker 3: That means that, given the choice I had to I

2664
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:51,320
Speaker 3: had a debt to pay, Remember, I lost a bet,

2665
02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:52,280
Speaker 3: I had to go do it.

2666
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:52,680
Speaker 4: All right?

2667
02:07:52,760 --> 02:07:54,640
Speaker 5: Well, either way, I'm going to assume when you go

2668
02:07:54,680 --> 02:07:56,840
Speaker 5: see a band you actually like that, you probably have

2669
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:58,040
Speaker 5: some gummies in your tummy.

2670
02:07:58,120 --> 02:07:58,600
Speaker 1: So sure.

2671
02:07:58,720 --> 02:08:00,760
Speaker 4: My question to you was at.

2672
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:03,720
Speaker 5: The sphere specifically high or lower than ninety nine and

2673
02:08:03,720 --> 02:08:07,040
Speaker 5: a half milligrams the amount of delta eight you had

2674
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:09,160
Speaker 5: you ate before dead and coo at the spear.

2675
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:13,200
Speaker 3: Oh brother, I mean you ever seen those cartoons when

2676
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:15,360
Speaker 3: they're at the fair and they take the hammer and

2677
02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:17,000
Speaker 3: then they hit the thing and then it shoots up

2678
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:19,600
Speaker 3: and it dings at the top. Buddy, you could do

2679
02:08:19,680 --> 02:08:22,360
Speaker 3: that one hundred times in a row. Take the motherfucking

2680
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:23,600
Speaker 3: over on this one.

2681
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:27,040
Speaker 4: Were talking how many hundreds?

2682
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:30,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I started at one hundred before

2683
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:31,800
Speaker 3: we even got there, all.

2684
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:33,480
Speaker 4: Right, Well, that that's what I meant, like before you

2685
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:35,000
Speaker 4: got no, but like we were there.

2686
02:08:35,560 --> 02:08:37,600
Speaker 3: So the way it worked was we got there early

2687
02:08:38,160 --> 02:08:42,320
Speaker 3: and they had tickets for us because one of the

2688
02:08:42,360 --> 02:08:44,800
Speaker 3: obviously BC was friends with one of the guys who

2689
02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:46,400
Speaker 3: was in the vand and then we hung out with

2690
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:49,160
Speaker 3: them kind of not backstage, but like in a private area,

2691
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 3: and then there was even more to indulge at that point.

2692
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:53,720
Speaker 3: So by the time the fight started, the fights I'm

2693
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:55,200
Speaker 3: sorry the concert started.

2694
02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:59,960
Speaker 1: I was, I mean, how are dead and come?

2695
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:00,839
Speaker 2: But he's nipples?

2696
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:01,520
Speaker 4: Do you have any?

2697
02:09:02,360 --> 02:09:03,880
Speaker 1: John? Old guys?

2698
02:09:04,040 --> 02:09:06,400
Speaker 3: And they were mercifully they were clothed. What I will

2699
02:09:06,440 --> 02:09:08,680
Speaker 3: tell you is, bro, have you ever been to like

2700
02:09:08,760 --> 02:09:10,640
Speaker 3: it's a year from Georgia. You ever been to like

2701
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:12,320
Speaker 3: a widespread panic concert?

2702
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:15,640
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I'm not I'm not happy about that, but.

2703
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:20,920
Speaker 3: It's like, it's a what do white guys who are

2704
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:25,240
Speaker 3: in middle age who are not into gospel but like

2705
02:09:25,320 --> 02:09:29,000
Speaker 3: to just sway when they stand when they're listening to me?

2706
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:32,320
Speaker 3: They do they go to shows like this one.

2707
02:09:32,360 --> 02:09:32,560
Speaker 1: That's what.

2708
02:09:32,720 --> 02:09:35,400
Speaker 2: This is a good move, like you just you're rocking along?

2709
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:35,800
Speaker 1: It was.

2710
02:09:35,960 --> 02:09:37,840
Speaker 3: It was it looked like people people are like putting

2711
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:40,280
Speaker 3: their hands up like this, you know. It looked like

2712
02:09:40,360 --> 02:09:43,080
Speaker 3: gospel just no religion whatsoever.

2713
02:09:43,120 --> 02:09:44,120
Speaker 1: It was. It was interesting.

2714
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:47,040
Speaker 2: Everyone has their own different kinds of religion.

2715
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:49,480
Speaker 3: And I was like, where are you pussy's gonna mash,

2716
02:09:49,480 --> 02:09:51,360
Speaker 3: but get the fuck out my way?

2717
02:09:51,400 --> 02:09:55,600
Speaker 5: And then they started rowing, uh, John, I want to.

2718
02:09:55,600 --> 02:10:00,560
Speaker 2: See fucking Luke Thomas pushing fifty mahing Still.

2719
02:10:00,600 --> 02:10:02,920
Speaker 3: No, I'm too old for that shit. But I've told

2720
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:05,160
Speaker 3: the story before. This is not a joke. The last

2721
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:07,000
Speaker 3: time I saw Cannibal Corpse, this is really true. I

2722
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:10,680
Speaker 3: saw them at the Filmore in Silver Spring, Maryland, and

2723
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:13,040
Speaker 3: there was a girl down there in the middle of

2724
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:15,880
Speaker 3: this smash pit and a dude, I'm straight up just

2725
02:10:16,080 --> 02:10:17,400
Speaker 3: knuckling up with everyone.

2726
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm not talking, you.

2727
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:23,080
Speaker 3: Know, flailing, no bawling up the fist and just socking

2728
02:10:23,160 --> 02:10:25,280
Speaker 3: dudes in the face with it. And then I saw

2729
02:10:25,320 --> 02:10:27,800
Speaker 3: her get swallowed by the pit and then I never

2730
02:10:27,880 --> 02:10:30,480
Speaker 3: saw her the rest of the time we were there.

2731
02:10:30,840 --> 02:10:32,800
Speaker 3: So I don't know what kind of rules of the

2732
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:36,000
Speaker 3: jungle that they allow at these shows, but it was

2733
02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:37,520
Speaker 3: it was a little concerning.

2734
02:10:37,720 --> 02:10:39,360
Speaker 4: They sacrificed her later that night.

2735
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:40,840
Speaker 1: It probably did jed.

2736
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:41,680
Speaker 4: This one's for you.

2737
02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:44,760
Speaker 5: John Silva probably has a legit argument for getting the

2738
02:10:44,760 --> 02:10:48,480
Speaker 5: next title shot, right if especially if they book Murphy Ofloyev,

2739
02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:51,560
Speaker 5: which is rumored to be happening in March. Nothing official,

2740
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:54,200
Speaker 5: but without that fight taking place, they may still give

2741
02:10:54,240 --> 02:10:55,640
Speaker 5: it to him either way, because it's.

2742
02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:57,160
Speaker 4: John Silva, He's marketable or whatever.

2743
02:10:57,280 --> 02:11:01,040
Speaker 5: So my question to you higher lower than the amount

2744
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:04,240
Speaker 5: of fights John Silva will need to take before.

2745
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:04,920
Speaker 4: Getting a title shot.

2746
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:07,920
Speaker 2: This is a good line. I'm taking the over. I

2747
02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:11,920
Speaker 2: think depending on how Vulk Lopez goes, what Vulk does

2748
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:15,960
Speaker 2: with his career after that, and injury situation, John Silva

2749
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:19,520
Speaker 2: could get there. I think it is unlikely. I think

2750
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:21,560
Speaker 2: it's more likely he has to fight one more time

2751
02:11:22,080 --> 02:11:24,400
Speaker 2: and he'll do it and then he'll fight for the

2752
02:11:24,440 --> 02:11:26,400
Speaker 2: belt after that. So I'm taking the over.

2753
02:11:27,200 --> 02:11:31,560
Speaker 1: Lt I'll take the over.

2754
02:11:32,280 --> 02:11:34,600
Speaker 3: I'll take the over because, especially if Vulk loses and

2755
02:11:34,840 --> 02:11:37,800
Speaker 3: there's any kind of controversy about it, I don't think

2756
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:39,560
Speaker 3: they're just gonna slot in Silva.

2757
02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:42,880
Speaker 5: No, all right, but I feel like, all right, you

2758
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:44,880
Speaker 5: guys might be right. I was gonna say win or lose.

2759
02:11:44,920 --> 02:11:46,600
Speaker 5: I feel like they're just gonna give John Silva the

2760
02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:48,440
Speaker 5: title shot. I just I could see it.

2761
02:11:48,520 --> 02:11:52,360
Speaker 3: I mean again, I do think that is We're definitely

2762
02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:53,880
Speaker 3: a thing that you need to consider.

2763
02:11:53,600 --> 02:11:57,400
Speaker 2: Like it is definitely in play. If Vulk being yes

2764
02:11:57,480 --> 02:11:58,080
Speaker 2: next week.

2765
02:11:57,960 --> 02:11:59,920
Speaker 1: The line you're setting is the right one, I'll put it.

2766
02:12:00,760 --> 02:12:03,280
Speaker 2: There's also a timing issue because if they do do

2767
02:12:03,880 --> 02:12:06,120
Speaker 2: I said do do do and I said do do?

2768
02:12:06,160 --> 02:12:06,480
Speaker 4: I get it.

2769
02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:10,120
Speaker 2: If they do end up going with movsar versus Murphy

2770
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:12,640
Speaker 2: the winner of that is very clearly going to be

2771
02:12:12,760 --> 02:12:15,840
Speaker 2: the next guy, unless the timing does not work out

2772
02:12:15,880 --> 02:12:18,440
Speaker 2: at all. But you know that fight won't be in

2773
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:20,240
Speaker 2: six weeks or whatever. It's not like that time he

2774
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:22,760
Speaker 2: is that bad, So true, U.

2775
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:24,120
Speaker 4: LT back to you.

2776
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:27,520
Speaker 5: Ilia said recently that he's willing to come back in April,

2777
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:31,080
Speaker 5: though obviously nothing is official, and with Justin winning the

2778
02:12:31,080 --> 02:12:33,840
Speaker 5: interim belt, maybe that increases the likelihood of that fight

2779
02:12:33,960 --> 02:12:37,240
Speaker 5: being at the White House, considering Justin is an American.

2780
02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:39,800
Speaker 5: So my question to you is higher or lower than

2781
02:12:39,880 --> 02:12:42,440
Speaker 5: five and a half the amount of months before we

2782
02:12:42,480 --> 02:12:48,640
Speaker 5: see Ilia versus Justin Gagee, This would put us at

2783
02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:50,640
Speaker 5: like mid June. All right, No, I guess it would

2784
02:12:50,640 --> 02:12:50,920
Speaker 5: put us.

2785
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, would mid jun because it's basically six months a

2786
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:54,840
Speaker 3: little less than six months.

2787
02:12:54,840 --> 02:12:56,840
Speaker 4: But it's also basically oh yeah, yeah, mid June.

2788
02:12:57,120 --> 02:13:02,680
Speaker 3: I mean it's I'll take the over, maybe barely, maybe barely,

2789
02:13:02,720 --> 02:13:03,520
Speaker 3: but I'll take the over.

2790
02:13:03,640 --> 02:13:05,280
Speaker 4: I think that you don't think it's happening at the

2791
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:05,760
Speaker 4: White House.

2792
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:08,920
Speaker 1: Well I think it is happening at the White House.

2793
02:13:08,920 --> 02:13:09,560
Speaker 1: So how do I answer this?

2794
02:13:09,680 --> 02:13:11,440
Speaker 5: Well, let's just say under for the White House, because

2795
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:13,280
Speaker 5: that's like Okay, under.

2796
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:14,520
Speaker 2: The line is the White House card?

2797
02:13:14,680 --> 02:13:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2798
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:16,280
Speaker 4: After the White House?

2799
02:13:16,440 --> 02:13:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have put in five or something.

2800
02:13:18,040 --> 02:13:19,960
Speaker 4: You know, whatever I mean. Is it happening on the

2801
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 4: White House or after the White House?

2802
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:22,560
Speaker 1: My view as it happens at the White House.

2803
02:13:22,640 --> 02:13:25,840
Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, Jed, I'll take the over.

2804
02:13:26,040 --> 02:13:31,400
Speaker 2: I think I'm probably wrong, but I don't know. I

2805
02:13:31,600 --> 02:13:34,000
Speaker 2: just I'm not entirely confident Ily is going to come

2806
02:13:34,040 --> 02:13:36,440
Speaker 2: back as quickly as he's maybe talked about. He's got

2807
02:13:36,440 --> 02:13:39,360
Speaker 2: some stuff going on in his life and he might

2808
02:13:39,400 --> 02:13:40,120
Speaker 2: just wait a little bit.

2809
02:13:40,720 --> 02:13:41,240
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

2810
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:44,400
Speaker 5: I think that Ilia is taking longer than we're gonna

2811
02:13:44,640 --> 02:13:48,280
Speaker 5: we realize right now, and this fight doesn't happening anytime soon.

2812
02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:52,000
Speaker 5: But you know, Jed, a lot of fans were unhappy

2813
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:53,960
Speaker 5: with the amount of ads. Obviously, we talked about it,

2814
02:13:54,040 --> 02:13:56,320
Speaker 5: Dana replying by saying, it's only eight ninety nine.

2815
02:13:56,360 --> 02:13:57,200
Speaker 4: What do you expect.

2816
02:13:57,480 --> 02:14:00,560
Speaker 5: So, whether it's from annoyed fans wanting less ads, or

2817
02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:04,240
Speaker 5: from Data himself or the company themselves deciding they need

2818
02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:08,480
Speaker 5: more money per customer, a price increase is obviously inevitable,

2819
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:12,480
Speaker 5: so higher lower than eighty nine and a half days,

2820
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:16,000
Speaker 5: the amount of days before the next price increase on

2821
02:14:16,120 --> 02:14:18,200
Speaker 5: Paramount plus high.

2822
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:21,920
Speaker 2: I mean, they just they just knocked up their prices

2823
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:26,160
Speaker 2: like at the start of this year. It'll one will come,

2824
02:14:26,360 --> 02:14:27,960
Speaker 2: It'll just come at the start of next year.

2825
02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll do the annual Oh we're gonna bump this

2826
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:32,160
Speaker 3: up to blah blah blah.

2827
02:14:32,200 --> 02:14:32,360
Speaker 1: You know.

2828
02:14:33,160 --> 02:14:35,800
Speaker 4: Did ESPN I feel like they do midyear bumps all

2829
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:36,680
Speaker 4: the time? Did they not?

2830
02:14:37,080 --> 02:14:38,480
Speaker 1: They did, they did.

2831
02:14:38,360 --> 02:14:41,200
Speaker 3: But remember they started at four ninety nine, like we're

2832
02:14:41,240 --> 02:14:43,720
Speaker 3: already at eight ninety nine, and then thirteen ninety.

2833
02:14:43,560 --> 02:14:47,120
Speaker 5: Nine for free pay per views.

2834
02:14:47,160 --> 02:14:51,160
Speaker 2: So the difference is ESPN's bumps to my recollection, their

2835
02:14:51,200 --> 02:14:53,680
Speaker 2: bumps were always pay per view price point bumps as

2836
02:14:53,680 --> 02:14:55,360
Speaker 2: opposed to like our sub feed bump.

2837
02:14:56,200 --> 02:14:56,920
Speaker 4: That's a good point.

2838
02:14:57,000 --> 02:14:59,320
Speaker 2: And it's like Netflix, Like Netflix does it I pay.

2839
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:01,080
Speaker 2: I used to pay eight dollars or whatever, and I

2840
02:15:01,200 --> 02:15:03,920
Speaker 2: paid twenty six or whatever it is. Yeah, but it

2841
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:06,320
Speaker 2: usually comes as an annual email like the one I

2842
02:15:06,360 --> 02:15:09,680
Speaker 2: got from Paramount being like your price is going up. True,

2843
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:11,840
Speaker 2: and so I assume that it will happen. It will

2844
02:15:11,880 --> 02:15:15,600
Speaker 2: happen in December, all right, LT during.

2845
02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:18,360
Speaker 5: Your live chot on Thursday and during MK on Friday,

2846
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:21,400
Speaker 5: you showed everyone you were drinking sugar free A and

2847
02:15:21,560 --> 02:15:24,440
Speaker 5: W Roopier. Yes, obviously you must have got a twelve

2848
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:27,040
Speaker 5: pack of it recently or something. So my question to

2849
02:15:27,080 --> 02:15:29,520
Speaker 5: you is higher lower than five and a half the

2850
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:31,880
Speaker 5: amount of sugar free A and W roopiers you've drank

2851
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:33,080
Speaker 5: in the last three days.

2852
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:35,000
Speaker 1: Take the five men I might have had all twelve

2853
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:35,880
Speaker 1: in the last three days.

2854
02:15:35,880 --> 02:15:37,400
Speaker 4: All right, this is what I was curious abou. Do

2855
02:15:37,400 --> 02:15:39,720
Speaker 4: you drink multiple in a day? Because you just kept

2856
02:15:39,720 --> 02:15:40,080
Speaker 4: pulling up?

2857
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:43,080
Speaker 3: Typically one a day, but like when fights get closer,

2858
02:15:43,160 --> 02:15:44,640
Speaker 3: it's two and sometimes three.

2859
02:15:44,840 --> 02:15:47,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all right, Jad you a soda guy at all.

2860
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:48,760
Speaker 4: I like soda.

2861
02:15:49,320 --> 02:15:52,200
Speaker 2: I don't like sugarless flavorless motherfuckers.

2862
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:54,080
Speaker 3: You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Bro,

2863
02:15:54,200 --> 02:15:56,640
Speaker 3: nonut sweeteners are so much better than they used to be.

2864
02:15:56,960 --> 02:15:59,600
Speaker 2: I can confidently say I have never tried it. So

2865
02:15:59,640 --> 02:16:01,320
Speaker 2: it just possible that have.

2866
02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:03,640
Speaker 1: You had that mountain zero sugar? No?

2867
02:16:03,840 --> 02:16:05,720
Speaker 2: I haven't, I don't. I gotta tell you, I don't

2868
02:16:05,720 --> 02:16:07,240
Speaker 2: know the last time I had a mountain dew.

2869
02:16:07,320 --> 02:16:10,680
Speaker 1: In general, mountain do zero sugar is tremendo.

2870
02:16:11,120 --> 02:16:14,000
Speaker 2: I used to drink mountain dew because it had high caffeine,

2871
02:16:14,080 --> 02:16:18,200
Speaker 2: and then they everyone just started making fucking energy drink.

2872
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:18,880
Speaker 2: So I don't need that.

2873
02:16:19,160 --> 02:16:20,720
Speaker 3: Do you know mountain dew? I think it is banned

2874
02:16:20,720 --> 02:16:22,720
Speaker 3: in the UK. No, it's not banned, but it's labeled

2875
02:16:22,720 --> 02:16:25,120
Speaker 3: as an energy drink in the UK because of it's

2876
02:16:25,400 --> 02:16:26,240
Speaker 3: caffeine content.

2877
02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that tracks. It's that ship was like Surge only

2878
02:16:29,560 --> 02:16:30,640
Speaker 2: only still around.

2879
02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:33,039
Speaker 5: So a big jolt guy oh.

2880
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:36,080
Speaker 2: Man, Joel, I haven't thought of jolt years.

2881
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:38,320
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe this. I found this out. Colombia's got

2882
02:16:38,360 --> 02:16:42,000
Speaker 3: a soda called Roman Cola with a K. It predates

2883
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:45,040
Speaker 3: Coca Cola. It was it was founded earlier than them,

2884
02:16:45,160 --> 02:16:46,920
Speaker 3: which I was shocked to.

2885
02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:48,560
Speaker 4: Hear on the bottle.

2886
02:16:50,920 --> 02:16:53,520
Speaker 1: Roman. I don't know, not, not not that I'm aware of.

2887
02:16:53,800 --> 02:16:56,040
Speaker 2: How do we think that pairs with rum? It's good?

2888
02:16:56,120 --> 02:17:04,119
Speaker 1: Oh it'sncola. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I'll say that, Yes,

2889
02:17:04,120 --> 02:17:04,480
Speaker 1: all right.

2890
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:08,000
Speaker 5: Jed Geechie has said one more Ko loss and he's done.

2891
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:11,000
Speaker 5: Trevor Whitman has said one more loss and he's done.

2892
02:17:11,560 --> 02:17:14,200
Speaker 5: Ilia fight obviously should be next. But there is a

2893
02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:17,640
Speaker 5: world justin wins. There's also a world, Ilia stays on

2894
02:17:17,680 --> 02:17:20,360
Speaker 5: the sidelines for however long, and Justin fights someone else.

2895
02:17:20,560 --> 02:17:23,160
Speaker 5: And there's also a world that even with a loss,

2896
02:17:23,400 --> 02:17:26,560
Speaker 5: Justin continues fighting. So my question to you is higher

2897
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:28,920
Speaker 5: lower than one and a half the amount of fights

2898
02:17:29,080 --> 02:17:33,120
Speaker 5: Justin Gatchie will have for the remainder of his career over.

2899
02:17:34,640 --> 02:17:36,920
Speaker 2: I think he's talked about it. I don't think we

2900
02:17:36,959 --> 02:17:41,040
Speaker 2: have that many. Assuming he loses to Ilia. I think

2901
02:17:41,080 --> 02:17:44,040
Speaker 2: he'll think about it, and then he'll want a couple

2902
02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:46,359
Speaker 2: of things, because he's spoken pretty open like he wants

2903
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:49,160
Speaker 2: he wants another crack at Max and the BMF belt,

2904
02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:52,199
Speaker 2: And we hadn't talked about it at all today. But uh,

2905
02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:54,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys saw this last night,

2906
02:17:54,720 --> 02:17:58,840
Speaker 2: old Dustin Pourier out here out here commenting, posting saying

2907
02:17:59,440 --> 02:18:01,680
Speaker 2: I'd come back to fight Justin Gatgee one more time,

2908
02:18:02,400 --> 02:18:05,480
Speaker 2: and so like that kind of feels that feels like

2909
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:07,959
Speaker 2: the perfect end of his career. Right he loses to Ilia,

2910
02:18:08,320 --> 02:18:11,000
Speaker 2: he fights Max one more, however that goes, and then

2911
02:18:11,120 --> 02:18:13,720
Speaker 2: ends his career with the trilogy about with Porier sign

2912
02:18:13,720 --> 02:18:14,400
Speaker 2: me up for that ship?

2913
02:18:14,840 --> 02:18:18,119
Speaker 3: I think, I think I think if if to Pooria's

2914
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:21,840
Speaker 3: next and to Poria ices him, U like, like puts

2915
02:18:21,879 --> 02:18:22,520
Speaker 3: him out cold.

2916
02:18:22,959 --> 02:18:24,119
Speaker 1: I think that might be the end.

2917
02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand it's I do think it's a

2918
02:18:28,680 --> 02:18:32,200
Speaker 2: good over under I understand your point, Luke. I'll just say,

2919
02:18:32,400 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 2: this is Mma who actually retires in this sport, true

2920
02:18:38,320 --> 02:18:40,840
Speaker 2: and justin like you know, he got the face plant

2921
02:18:40,920 --> 02:18:43,320
Speaker 2: Ko against Max and acts like that and never he's like,

2922
02:18:43,360 --> 02:18:45,400
Speaker 2: if I got knocked out bad, you know I'm done.

2923
02:18:45,400 --> 02:18:47,560
Speaker 4: It's like you you've already been knocked out bad, you know.

2924
02:18:48,520 --> 02:18:53,640
Speaker 2: To to his defense, his original thesis was always I've

2925
02:18:53,680 --> 02:18:57,400
Speaker 2: got five wars left in me, and he's now had

2926
02:18:57,480 --> 02:19:00,440
Speaker 2: three of them, so he's still got two left in

2927
02:19:00,480 --> 02:19:03,600
Speaker 2: the chamber to wars and or bad losses.

2928
02:19:05,160 --> 02:19:06,240
Speaker 4: LT. This one's for you.

2929
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:09,640
Speaker 5: You once said you watch Volkanovski Holloway two forty nine times.

2930
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:11,520
Speaker 1: Yes, famously, And while the other.

2931
02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:14,279
Speaker 2: Two fights weren't nearly as kind.

2932
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:16,000
Speaker 1: Guys are you? Guys are dumb? I want you both

2933
02:19:16,040 --> 02:19:16,600
Speaker 1: to know that.

2934
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:19,480
Speaker 5: The other two fights, Luke, weren't nearly as controversial, but

2935
02:19:19,560 --> 02:19:22,760
Speaker 5: you often neglect to mention how many times you've watched them,

2936
02:19:22,879 --> 02:19:25,560
Speaker 5: so higher or lower than nine and a half the

2937
02:19:25,600 --> 02:19:29,320
Speaker 5: amount of times combined that you've watched Volkanovsky Holloway one

2938
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:30,240
Speaker 5: and three.

2939
02:19:30,959 --> 02:19:34,840
Speaker 3: No, it'd be the over because I watched the first

2940
02:19:34,840 --> 02:19:37,000
Speaker 3: one a lot, and I know I watched the third

2941
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:40,360
Speaker 3: one because of how one sided it was at least

2942
02:19:40,400 --> 02:19:44,080
Speaker 3: six or seven times. So between those two it's gotta

2943
02:19:44,120 --> 02:19:44,680
Speaker 3: be over ten.

2944
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:47,440
Speaker 5: If you're not doing tape study, how often do you

2945
02:19:47,480 --> 02:19:51,400
Speaker 5: rewatch a fight? Like what's an average your every day

2946
02:19:51,959 --> 02:19:53,760
Speaker 5: Let's say, like John Silva, Arnold Allen?

2947
02:19:53,800 --> 02:19:55,440
Speaker 4: How many times are you going to watch that back.

2948
02:19:56,840 --> 02:19:59,160
Speaker 1: Only for I mean only for tape study purposes of

2949
02:19:59,200 --> 02:20:01,280
Speaker 1: this one? All right? So yeah, all right, Like.

2950
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:04,320
Speaker 3: If there's I mean, I'll rewatch classic bouts or fun

2951
02:20:04,400 --> 02:20:08,320
Speaker 3: bouts or you know, I'll go down memory lane. But

2952
02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:12,039
Speaker 3: just it's just it's just it's not really it's just

2953
02:20:12,040 --> 02:20:13,880
Speaker 3: a question of how much time I have. And because

2954
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:15,959
Speaker 3: my time is dude, I've got kids running through my

2955
02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:18,160
Speaker 3: goddamn living room leaving the fridge door open, you know

2956
02:20:18,200 --> 02:20:20,320
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like it's like I don't have time

2957
02:20:20,320 --> 02:20:22,400
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, what fun little adventure am I

2958
02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:25,520
Speaker 3: going to go down today? It's like, Okay, I've got

2959
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:26,800
Speaker 3: to do tape studdy for X, Y and Z.

2960
02:20:26,879 --> 02:20:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to focus on that.

2961
02:20:28,200 --> 02:20:30,840
Speaker 5: I did do the math on you watching Volkanowski Holloway

2962
02:20:30,879 --> 02:20:33,240
Speaker 5: two forty nine times, and it came out to roughly

2963
02:20:33,320 --> 02:20:34,720
Speaker 5: twenty three hours, I believe.

2964
02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:38,920
Speaker 3: So no, no, As I explained at the time, it's

2965
02:20:38,959 --> 02:20:42,640
Speaker 3: not totally right. I counted each time I fired up

2966
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:48,039
Speaker 3: another like like tape session. So I may not have

2967
02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:50,720
Speaker 3: watched in a full tape session the entire five rounds.

2968
02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:53,080
Speaker 3: I may have watched rounds two and three, or I

2969
02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:54,879
Speaker 3: may have watched just the championship rounds, you.

2970
02:20:54,879 --> 02:20:55,240
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

2971
02:20:55,280 --> 02:20:58,640
Speaker 3: So, so it's a it's an amalgamation of shorter stints

2972
02:20:58,640 --> 02:20:59,080
Speaker 3: than that.

2973
02:20:59,240 --> 02:21:02,840
Speaker 5: All right, Uh? Jed last one for you, John Silva.

2974
02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:05,520
Speaker 5: Obviously he rode the back of Arnold Allen. We all

2975
02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:07,800
Speaker 5: thought it was funny, like he was a damn surfboard.

2976
02:21:07,879 --> 02:21:10,200
Speaker 5: In the waiting seconds of their about on Saturday. It

2977
02:21:10,280 --> 02:21:13,320
Speaker 5: got me thinking, has Jed ever surfed before?

2978
02:21:13,440 --> 02:21:14,840
Speaker 1: So higher?

2979
02:21:14,920 --> 02:21:17,199
Speaker 5: Lower than three and a half the amount of time

2980
02:21:17,360 --> 02:21:21,560
Speaker 5: in seconds you could smurf A smurf surf a small wave.

2981
02:21:21,800 --> 02:21:25,160
Speaker 2: I couldn't smurf shit a small wave. I can.

2982
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:25,879
Speaker 4: I can get up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up on the coast there's not

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Speaker 2: like a lot of great surfing in Savannah. But like

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Speaker 2: I grew up on the coast, I did a lot

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Speaker 2: of bodyboarding, much on boogie boarding because the waves are

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Speaker 2: just not big enough.

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Speaker 4: Counting that we're talking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I have and am capable, I mean

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Speaker 2: I haven't done it in years. I assume I am

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Speaker 2: still have the baseline level of coordination to surf a

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Speaker 2: small wave for more than three and a half seconds.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not like dropping in a pipe.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I didn't think so that's why I

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Speaker 5: put the over under a three. Yeah, lt you can

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Speaker 5: put my big ass on the under. Yeah, trust that.

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Speaker 5: I figured you were uncoordinated like that. No offense.

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Speaker 4: But anyways, guys, that was higher.

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Speaker 2: I could serve for human far less though, like I

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Speaker 2: couldn't do what John Silva did, which was cool.

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 5: I put on my Instagram story someone made like an

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Speaker 5: AI thing where he starts riding Arnold Allen.

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Speaker 4: It turns into a skateboard he's at the skate park.

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Speaker 4: That's so good, so fucking good. But that was higher

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Speaker 4: lower guys, hope you enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I did all right, very good?

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Speaker 3: Uh, which now I think that's it that brings us

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Speaker 3: to the end of the show.

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Speaker 1: Well done.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Jed, I saw your article. It is up on

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Speaker 3: MMA fighting dot com. Why don't you plug your work dope?

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, mmefin dot com. It's a great website.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: We have a but after action report for UOC three

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Speaker 2: four you can get more thoughts on mine there and

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Speaker 2: or other people at the thing.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys know this. There's a

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Speaker 2: pay per view this week and.

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Speaker 1: Are you guys sending anybody?

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Speaker 2: No, we because it's in Australia. Who came decision not

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Speaker 2: to which also super worked out because normally be Jose Jose,

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Speaker 2: like Chuck strained it right now so he maybe it

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02:23:07,240 --> 02:23:09,480
Speaker 2: would actually be fine because maybe he just fly directly

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Speaker 2: to Australia instead of trying to fly back. But no,

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Speaker 2: no one going to be boots on the ground for

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Speaker 2: this one. But we're going to do the same stuff.

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Speaker 2: We will have between the links on Thursday. At some

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Speaker 2: point me and Chuck Minden Hall got to get it

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Speaker 2: on on prop quiz Long Island since Luke Thomas is

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02:23:26,879 --> 02:23:28,480
Speaker 2: a coward and refuses to face me.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I see You're coming around as soon as we

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02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:33,760
Speaker 4: signed off. I'm convincing you we're doing it this.

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Speaker 3: If you start opening up the topics to things that

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02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:39,720
Speaker 3: you know I studied in great detail, then yes.

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Speaker 4: Deal done, that's it. We're done. We're doing it.

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Speaker 2: Uh So if all of the topics are just the

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Speaker 2: Max Holloway Volk too, we're good.

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Speaker 1: No.

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02:23:49,320 --> 02:23:52,080
Speaker 3: So I did the very first episode and it was

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02:23:52,120 --> 02:23:53,800
Speaker 3: things like it was like there was a little bit

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Speaker 3: like a bit of a DC trivia or history trivia,

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Speaker 3: and I smoked all that it was. Then it was like, ah,

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Speaker 3: what was the seventeen significant strike Throne by Oladay Osborne

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Speaker 3: and his Contender series Round three perform out?

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Speaker 1: How the funck? Should I know? I don't pay attention

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02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:07,840
Speaker 1: to that level of it.

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Speaker 4: Come a long way, Luke. We're twenty five. This will

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02:24:10,360 --> 02:24:12,200
Speaker 4: be the twenty fifth episode. You know I've gotten a

3051
02:24:12,200 --> 02:24:15,039
Speaker 4: lot better mayhem question you So yeah, thank you?

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02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:18,080
Speaker 3: All right, very good. So go to MMA Fighting dot Com.

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Speaker 3: As a reminder, Morningcombat dot Shop. Morningcombat dot Shop got

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Speaker 3: about a week left on these boys and girls. The

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Speaker 3: posters are sold out, apologize for that, but the shirts

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Speaker 3: are still available, the Stranger Danger shirts, and you can

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Speaker 3: get those until January thirty first at eleven fifty nine

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Speaker 3: pm East Coast time. We are available on socials. I

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02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:38,240
Speaker 3: think you saw them a minute ago. We'll put them

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Speaker 3: up one more time for morning combat, as well as

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Speaker 3: me and Jed Mishu.

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Speaker 1: And that's it.

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02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:46,600
Speaker 3: So Chuck sends his regards that he couldn't make it,

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02:24:46,640 --> 02:24:49,000
Speaker 3: but I think he'll be back. Well, he's still not home.

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Speaker 3: I don't know when he's gonna get home, but hopefully

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02:24:50,600 --> 02:24:52,560
Speaker 3: he'll be home soon and we'll get him on air

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02:24:52,600 --> 02:24:55,160
Speaker 3: either this Friday or the following Monday. But Jet, thank

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02:24:55,160 --> 02:24:56,920
Speaker 3: you so much for filling in. We really appreciate a

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02:24:56,959 --> 02:25:01,240
Speaker 3: great job today. And yeah, stay tuned WMA Fighting dot

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02:25:01,240 --> 02:25:03,280
Speaker 3: com for more of Jed's work. Thank you guys so

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02:25:03,320 --> 02:25:05,680
Speaker 3: much for tuning in today. We really appreciate it. So

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02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:06,440
Speaker 3: for Long Island.

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Speaker 1: Luke, that's Jedmashue. I'm Luke Thomas. We'll see you next time,

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Speaker 1: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal