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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Danny and smitha and welcome stuff. I've

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Speaker 1: never told you, Protective, I heard you, And today we

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Speaker 1: have an episode that I have been hinting at in

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Speaker 1: recent episodes. This one's kind of a jumble of my thoughts,

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Speaker 1: but there has been some research done and I do

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Speaker 1: have some of that. That being said, there are going

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Speaker 1: to be some spoilers into some very recent media, and

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Speaker 1: I would say particularly all her.

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Speaker 2: Faults, which by the way, da Coda Fanning playing a

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Speaker 2: mom really threw me off.

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Speaker 3: I want that to be noted at the very top.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Yeah. It has been interesting because she

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Speaker 1: was so young when she started as an actor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like she grew up on the screen and I

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Speaker 2: feel like, as a person who was in my twenties

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Speaker 2: seeing her as a child, this is not okay, I digress.

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Speaker 1: Yes it was. It was kind of bizarre. Nothing we

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Speaker 1: talk about. None of them are sponsors currently. This is

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Speaker 1: just something that's been on my mind, and it feels

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Speaker 1: like it's been on a lot of people's minds, which

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Speaker 1: is sort of the point I'm going to make. But uh,

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Speaker 1: it is kind of related to the single mother trope

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Speaker 1: that we see in Horror that Samantha, you talked about

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Speaker 1: in our religious horror episodes, movies like Babaduck Conjuring two.

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Speaker 1: We didn't you know, I didn't even include the Exorcist

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, because like she where was the father?

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Speaker 3: He wasn't. They weren't divorced, right.

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Speaker 1: He was like overseas, but he wouldn't even talk to

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, absent father is a big yes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So all of that is related. And this is

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Speaker 1: something I've been thinking about for a while because right now,

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Speaker 1: and by right now, I mean in the past like

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Speaker 1: two or three years, we are having some kind of

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Speaker 1: moment in entertainment around usually middle aged white mothers, usually

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Speaker 1: pretty well off middle aged white mothers, having had enough,

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Speaker 1: like done with their husbands. They are done. So right now,

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Speaker 1: two of the movies that are inspiring big conversations around

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Speaker 1: Die My Love, which is also about postpardon depression. And

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest shows is All Her Fault. And

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Speaker 1: in recent times we've also had Pretty Little Liars and

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Speaker 1: Night Bitch. And it's pretty striking how much of these

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Speaker 1: movies are pointing to the fact that moms which is

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Speaker 1: murder them. Something is going on. I'm telling you so

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Speaker 1: I have I know what happens in all of these

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Speaker 1: movies and shows. I haven't seen if I had leg

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Speaker 1: Sidekick You or Die My Love, but I know what happens.

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Speaker 1: I kind of knew what happened in Die My Love

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Speaker 1: before I even knew they were making a movie about it.

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Speaker 1: But it is very When I was watching All Her Faults,

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Speaker 1: This is a pattern I'm seeing, and yeah, the moms

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Speaker 1: are not okay, and the I do want to say also,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these movies are sometimes in good faith

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like men being no, and other times it's

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Speaker 1: just like that wasn't for me. But I think they are.

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Speaker 1: They're resonating with a lot of people, and they're causing

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Speaker 1: it's amazing how often I connect them. Yeah. See, I've

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Speaker 1: just feels like there's some kind of moment that's happening.

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Speaker 1: And oddly enough, I tried to look into it right

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Speaker 1: And I did find a couple of very recent studies.

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Speaker 1: They were done during the pandemic, and it was saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so it comes to an end that way. And

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Speaker 1: notably not only not providing support, gaslighting them, weaponized and

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Speaker 2: your outing is to do for you. My outing is

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Speaker 2: to take care of y'all. This is not the same,

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Speaker 2: is that that scene?

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Speaker 2: It was like I've never seen this show, y'all, so

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Speaker 1: he's doing it, according to her, purposefully to make it

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Speaker 1: thinking this is what love is or what support is

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