Speaker 1: Welcome back to the podcast. Thank you guys for being
Speaker 1: here for a very rare time. We have two guests
Speaker 1: and both of them are my relatives. Do I tell
Speaker 1: you as a relative?
Speaker 2: I mean I technically am your immediate family.
Speaker 1: Now that's a relative.
Speaker 3: I guess she's pretty relative relative.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got my wife and then I got Amber's brother,
Speaker 1: my brother in law, Colin, and so we're gonna answer
Speaker 1: your questions. That's what we do on this podcast. You
Speaker 1: email me podcast at grangersmith dot com and man puts
Speaker 1: them together, we walk through them, and I plan on
Speaker 1: doing that, and I also plan on uh straying a
Speaker 1: little bit from that pattern because we have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to have Callin, which I think is going to be
Speaker 1: a fantastic guest here and a really good resource in
Speaker 1: answering some of these questions. And probably that's just good
Speaker 1: because I love you and you're one of my best friends,
Speaker 1: but also because you've also you have unique life experience
Speaker 1: that I don't have. Everyone brings to the table something
Speaker 1: not this table, but everyone, everyone listening brings some kind
Speaker 1: of unique life experience to the table that I cannot
Speaker 1: relate to, and you can't relate to mine. But because
Speaker 1: it's all relative, we can come at questions as we
Speaker 1: hear them with a little bit different perspective, and I
Speaker 1: think that's important. In all three of us will be
Speaker 1: also be coming from a biblical perspective. So as long
Speaker 1: as we have that, then the different ways that life
Speaker 1: has come at us US three I think will be
Speaker 1: unique in answering. And Colin is It's such an interesting
Speaker 1: guest to have because as long as I've done this
Speaker 1: podcast since twenty seventeen, many of those years you would
Speaker 1: have been like some of the toughest questions in this podcast,
Speaker 1: and you would have been one of the ones that
Speaker 1: if I would have read, if you would have written
Speaker 1: in here, for instance, two years ago, no five years ago,
Speaker 1: we'll say, and I would have read it, this would
Speaker 1: have been one of the questions where people go, oh, man,
Speaker 1: that's going to be a long road for that guy.
Speaker 1: That's going to be tough for that guy to come
Speaker 1: out of this being Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: When I met you, you were roommates with this girl
Speaker 1: that I was kind of dating, courting, And the first
Speaker 1: time I visited you, you were the roommate and I
Speaker 1: met you, which is sort of intimidating because you're, you know,
Speaker 1: like six ten and three hundred and fifty pounds. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: not really. What are you like six ' five six
Speaker 1: y four sixty four? You an extra engine.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I should have taken it.
Speaker 1: I should have just rolled. But we got along instantly
Speaker 1: because you're everyone likes you. You're You're always fun to
Speaker 1: be around. You're always the life of the party. So
Speaker 1: we You had a girlfriend at the time, and I
Speaker 1: started dating Amber, so we were it was like an
Speaker 1: easy instant double date. We did a lot of things
Speaker 1: together in those early years, and you being the life
Speaker 1: of the party was also part of your problem, which
Speaker 1: I didn't realize at the time. But the part that
Speaker 1: was so likable about you was the part that the
Speaker 1: world abused and you partook. Is that a word you
Speaker 1: partook in it in the abuse that the world is like, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's bring this guy in, you know, let's invite this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, I honestly don't know where to start, besides the
Speaker 1: fact that your life is completely different now coming out
Speaker 1: of addiction. Probably you could say multiple types of addiction,
Speaker 1: and there is multiple casualties in the fallout of that.
Speaker 1: In the form of different children, different mamas, like so
Speaker 1: many of these questions, like you know. But the reason it's,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's so fascinating is because here you
Speaker 1: are sitting in a really good place. And that's what
Speaker 1: makes it different is I could I could read all
Speaker 1: these questions all day long, and then I got sitting
Speaker 1: at the end of this table right now a dude
Speaker 1: that's lived it and now could speak back to it
Speaker 1: and go, I know, man, I was there, I was there.
Speaker 1: Here's where I am. Now where do I start amber
Speaker 1: with this? Well? I was just going to say, you
Speaker 1: could do a mean so vagrant now.
Speaker 4: Quick give call in a quick minute or so, just
Speaker 4: to do like where were you five years ago?
Speaker 2: And then where are you now?
Speaker 3: I can't do that.
Speaker 1: No, that's the worst question ever for country music stars.
Speaker 1: So for those of you that don't know Granger, tell
Speaker 1: us a little b about yourself. I can't do that.
Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, So I was trying to have him do
Speaker 4: like a quick gist of why where was he and
Speaker 4: where is he now? But I don't know that might
Speaker 4: even be hard for him to sum up in five years.
Speaker 3: Well, I could probably just kind of give the short
Speaker 3: answer here is There's only one way out of where
Speaker 3: I was, and that's you know, through God. That's it.
Speaker 3: That's the only way that I was to get out
Speaker 3: of there alive. And I just had to basically get
Speaker 3: on my knees and just give up totally and figure
Speaker 3: out that the absolute only way for me to come
Speaker 3: out of this hell is through Jesus Christ. And once
Speaker 3: I finally just gave up, surrendered, fully surrendered, because I've
Speaker 3: tried to do it my way, and I've tried to say, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll I'll surrender butt or I'll do these things. But
Speaker 3: once I fully just let go. And I know it's cliche,
Speaker 3: but let go and let God. It was it was everything.
Speaker 3: I felt a change immediately internally. It wasn't necessarily a
Speaker 3: burning bush, but that was my burning bush. It was.
Speaker 3: It was just a just a it's unexplainable just how
Speaker 3: how different my mindset was, how different. I picked up
Speaker 3: the phone for the first time and asked for help.
Speaker 3: It was the only time I've ever picked up a
Speaker 3: phone and said I need you now, I need you,
Speaker 3: I need it.
Speaker 1: Where were you?
Speaker 3: I was in a hotel off of Alta, Mesa, and
Speaker 3: I thirty five on January first of twenty and twenty two, Yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty and twenty two, and I had been gone for
Speaker 3: I think, I think at this point eight days from
Speaker 3: my wife and my home and my job. I was
Speaker 3: in the work truck, wasn't answer my phone, wasn't getting
Speaker 3: a hold of anybody, in a hotel, a place I
Speaker 3: shouldn't have been, with people I shouldn't have been with,
Speaker 3: with things I shouldn't have had. And I remember it
Speaker 3: was like two degrees and I had locked my keys
Speaker 3: in my truck. And that had to happen, because if
Speaker 3: I'd hadn't to locked my keys in my truck, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be sitting in this chair right here today. I
Speaker 3: locked my keys in my truck and I gave up.
Speaker 3: I got back in the hotel. It was so cold.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget the day. I got on my knees
Speaker 3: and I begged God. I said, get me out of this,
Speaker 3: get me out of this. And I called my wife.
Speaker 3: I called Shane, and I said, hey, come get me.
Speaker 3: I need it, I need help. And she came. I
Speaker 3: mean she didn't hesitate.
Speaker 1: Then what happened.
Speaker 3: We went to a meeting, an AA meeting, And I'll
Speaker 3: backtrack a little bit. I was fighting a charge that
Speaker 3: was a couple of detectives I'd called my wife and
Speaker 3: my mom and were asking to find me. And I
Speaker 3: was fighting a charge that I was going to court
Speaker 3: for in March of the same year of twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: and I was facing a lot of time in prison,
Speaker 3: and I was scared. I mean to short, long story short,
Speaker 3: I was scared. I didn't want to go to prison.
Speaker 3: I'd been to prison before. They were trying to give
Speaker 3: me a lot of time, so I know that I
Speaker 3: wasn't just going to a state jail. I was actually
Speaker 3: going to a big boy prison, and so I was scared.
Speaker 3: But we went to a meeting and we started getting
Speaker 3: things together for the court date, which was in March.
Speaker 3: So March thirteenth, I got sentenced to five years and
Speaker 3: I'll never forget man Shanea's face that day. She was
Speaker 3: crushed because we honestly thought that there was a chance
Speaker 3: for probation.
Speaker 1: But the Joe or the charges for everybody to know.
Speaker 3: So forger Eva financial instrument was one of the charges.
Speaker 3: Credit check hot checks basically yes, And this was not
Speaker 3: my first time with these checks. I had been caught
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen for the same charge with a credit
Speaker 3: card abuse charge of using well I had a credit
Speaker 3: card in my wallet, it wasn't mine. So when I
Speaker 3: got arrested for the check that was that I tried
Speaker 3: to cash, they found the credit card I got. That
Speaker 3: was the first time I went to prison. Between those times,
Speaker 3: I had a possession under a Graham charge of controlled
Speaker 3: substance I was. I was addicted to meth methamphetamines and
Speaker 3: have been or had been for years prior to that.
Speaker 3: In and out of rehabs. Seven impatient rehabs. I think
Speaker 3: it is total. I think I've completed five of them.
Speaker 3: In and out of jail. For petty crimes, theft, burglar
Speaker 3: of a habitat. I got arrested in Minnesota for burglar
Speaker 3: of a habitat. I went up there. I was out
Speaker 3: of my mind. I don't even remember much of it,
Speaker 3: but I had taken a passport. I stole a truck
Speaker 3: up there. Thought I was going to go to Canada
Speaker 3: during COVID. I mean, honestly, what are you really thinking, like,
Speaker 3: trying to get across the border COVID with a fake
Speaker 3: passport just out of my mind.
Speaker 1: I don't think I knew that you did.
Speaker 2: It's just it was a big mess.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What I was I was thinking about when you were
Speaker 4: saying that was for so many years, we tried to
Speaker 4: save you, We tried to get you into red, we
Speaker 4: tried to do all this stuff, and finally you had
Speaker 4: to realize you had to be the one to call,
Speaker 4: make the call and say I need help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the times that I did go to rehab,
Speaker 3: I will I went to appease the masses basically, and
Speaker 3: you're so likable.
Speaker 2: Everybody loves you and they're like always great.
Speaker 3: It was a manipulation thing, and I was very good
Speaker 3: at manipulation. That's probably why I work in sales today,
Speaker 3: not saying that I'm a manipulator anymore, because there's a
Speaker 3: fine line between good salesman. Yeah, and see that's one
Speaker 3: of my character defects. I have to know the line
Speaker 3: of people pleasing and people pleasing, Like there's a manipulation
Speaker 3: aspect that can go either way with that. And but
Speaker 3: I've I learned so much in the n A program,
Speaker 3: and it's it is for a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of addicts, celebrate recoveries for a lot of addicts. There's
Speaker 3: different programs out there for a lot of addicts. But
Speaker 3: the thing that the only thing that worked for me,
Speaker 3: because those those programs worked for a time, but the
Speaker 3: only thing that worked for me was getting out of
Speaker 3: the way of God. Was getting out of the way
Speaker 3: his will and realizing that a square peg doesn't fit
Speaker 3: in a circle hole. So I got to quit trying
Speaker 3: to do it my way. It doesn't work. It never
Speaker 3: did work. How did you know that there was a way.
Speaker 3: I didn't at the time. I just knew that there
Speaker 3: wasn't any other way. And I had never tried and
Speaker 3: I had never tried that way. So it was it
Speaker 3: was a I've tried everything else, you know, why not
Speaker 3: type of thing. That was the mindset. But it was
Speaker 3: the the begging of just get this, just relieve me
Speaker 3: of this, and and and there's so much that's wrapped
Speaker 3: into that of those questions that I begged God for.
Speaker 3: It was so much of relieve my cis you're in
Speaker 3: my family of the mess that I'm putting them in.
Speaker 3: Relieve my wife of the mess I'm putting her, And
Speaker 3: relieve my kids of the abandonment that I that I created.
Speaker 3: My children's mother didn't take my kids from me. I
Speaker 3: I I don't want to say gave them away, But
Speaker 3: I didn't do what I was supposed to do as
Speaker 3: a father at the time that I was supposed to
Speaker 3: do it. And I realize that now, and back then
Speaker 3: I had sour taste in my mouth towards my children's
Speaker 3: mother and their stepfather because I was still a mess
Speaker 3: in my own head and a mess in my own way.
Speaker 3: And now I can't thank them enough for how they've
Speaker 3: raised those boys. And you know, I do get to
Speaker 3: have my two younger boys in my life right now.
Speaker 3: And God's working in my other two boys' lives. He is,
Speaker 3: He's working in their lives, He's working in our lives,
Speaker 3: and there's going to be some reuniting. It's I've got
Speaker 3: no doubt in my mind, and it's it's it's such
Speaker 3: a it's such a blessing to realize that God is
Speaker 3: working and to see it behind the scenes without seeing it.
Speaker 3: If that makes sense, is it makes me speaks man.
Speaker 1: I preached on psalmone thirty last Sunday, and I was
Speaker 1: studying a little bit of Jonah in that message, because
Speaker 1: the Psalmist is crying from out of the depths, and
Speaker 1: we've all had these Jonah. Moments in our lives, all
Speaker 1: of us have something and for you, you know, Jonah,
Speaker 1: he runs from God. God has a will for his life.
Speaker 1: He has a purpose for Jonah, and that's to go
Speaker 1: to Nineveh and preach. And he runs from that because
Speaker 1: it's ninev is scary. And he gets on a boat
Speaker 1: and flees, and God causes this huge storm to hit
Speaker 1: the boat, and everyone on the boat is freaking out.
Speaker 1: They're like, this is awful. This is like the worst
Speaker 1: storm I've ever seen. And Jonah's like, guys, it's it's me,
Speaker 1: Like I'm the reason for the storm. God's chasing me down.
Speaker 1: He's mad at me, and and yeah, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: kind of what your story sounds like. Yeah, And so basically,
Speaker 1: Jonah's like, just throw me off the boat. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're all either we're all gonna die, this whole boat's
Speaker 1: going to go down, or you guys, just throw me off.
Speaker 1: And so they throw him off, and that's when the
Speaker 1: fish takes them, you know, God takes them through the fish.
Speaker 1: And then as I'm studying Forsalone thirty, it's interesting I
Speaker 1: noticed that Jonah doesn't in the text. Jonah doesn't speak
Speaker 1: to God at all until he's in the belly, and
Speaker 1: it's then it's from out of the depths. From then
Speaker 1: I'm in the deep. God, Please, where are you saved me?
Speaker 1: And it's funny that he says that because God's he knows,
Speaker 1: God's been with him the whole time, just wreaking havoc
Speaker 1: on his life until he finally and everyone else on
Speaker 1: the boat takes all the punishment for it.
Speaker 3: See, And I think I can relate to that because
Speaker 3: the twister that I created around my life, that had
Speaker 3: a thirty mile radius to everywhere I went, was just
Speaker 3: God trying to say, man, stop, yeah, sit down, and
Speaker 3: it was hurting everybody around me because I wasn't seeing it.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't being like Jonah just saying, hey, throw me
Speaker 3: off the boat.
Speaker 1: You know, well, we don't know how long he I mean,
Speaker 1: this might have been days. We don't really know through
Speaker 1: the text how long he fought it, right until finally
Speaker 1: they were they were like, what's going on? It's me, guy,
Speaker 1: it's me. We don't know how long. So you could
Speaker 1: easily have been just like Jonah. The problem is we
Speaker 1: need to also read the backap of Jonah because then
Speaker 1: he gets in his will like you are now and
Speaker 1: hopefully I am. And then he gets to Nineveh, you know,
Speaker 1: these heathens, and he preaches. He doesn't want to go
Speaker 1: in there. He's so scared of the city, so scared
Speaker 1: of all these heathens. And he goes in there is
Speaker 1: like repent, you know, turn back to God, and all
Speaker 1: these heathens look at him and they're like, hey, you're right,
Speaker 1: we should And then he gets mad. He's like, God
Speaker 1: should punish these people, these heathens, And God goes, I
Speaker 1: told you to preach to him, and they turned to me.
Speaker 1: Who are you now? Who are you to say I
Speaker 1: should do what I need to do? Then Jonah's like
Speaker 1: being Jonah again. Anyway, you have a wild story and
Speaker 1: it's it's so interesting to hear that. And you and
Speaker 1: I have talked about your prison experience. We sat around
Speaker 1: the campfire last night, which is what this I always say,
Speaker 1: this podcast is about sitting around campfire talking. But you
Speaker 1: you've told me many, so many stories about your prison experience.
Speaker 1: And if you could paint that picture. Don't do it.
Speaker 1: You don't need to. We don't have enough time. But
Speaker 1: if you paint that picture perfectly for anyone listening, it
Speaker 1: should be enough for anyone to go Nope, don't do that.
Speaker 3: Well, the first five minutes of it should be you.
Speaker 1: Know, god, really it was h Yeah, can you find
Speaker 1: a point in your life? I know you've thought about
Speaker 1: this endlessly? Have you? Have you seen the point where
Speaker 1: you started to go off the rails? You said you
Speaker 1: fought it for a long time. Where did the fighting start?
Speaker 3: I think the actual off the rails aspect of it
Speaker 3: was probably avery point.
Speaker 2: I think that was we were living together too too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was the off the rails. I
Speaker 3: was selling drugs at the time.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: Incapacitated, to say the least, every single day that we
Speaker 3: that we lived there. And I think the seventeen and
Speaker 3: fifteen I began using I think thirteen or fourteen, I
Speaker 3: started drinking at a buddy's house. And I don't want
Speaker 3: to say any names, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 3: but really off the rail, Yeah, seventeen to twenty four
Speaker 3: was a blur.
Speaker 2: Is that just the crowd that you got involved with?
Speaker 3: It was that it was the lifestyle. It was the
Speaker 3: amount of money I was making. I mean, it was
Speaker 3: all the things. It was everything kind of the perfect storm.
Speaker 3: The people pleasing aspect I loved to be the party
Speaker 3: and even growing up when Mom and Dan went out
Speaker 3: of town, our house was a party house. That's where
Speaker 3: I threw parties, and it was you know, I ruined
Speaker 3: a lot of their I feel terrible, don't sorry, Mom,
Speaker 3: I feel terrible, But I ruined a lot of their
Speaker 3: vacations because there'd be a police officer calling them, mister
Speaker 3: and missus Campbell, your son is having a party and
Speaker 3: we found a block of marijuana in your backyard. And
Speaker 3: you know, they were in the Bahamas one time, had
Speaker 3: to come home. But yeah, I think off the rails,
Speaker 3: off the rails, and when I knew I had something
Speaker 3: needed to change, but I just I couldn't get out
Speaker 3: of my own way was probably yeah, probably every point time.
Speaker 2: And then it was about ten fifteen years in and out.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, rehabs, in jails, just just not you know,
Speaker 3: telling everybody, well, I can do this on my own.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't. I don't. I'm good, I don't
Speaker 3: need anybody, blah blah blah. Yeah, just fooling myself, really
Speaker 3: trying to paint this picture or have this facade of
Speaker 3: everything's great, everything's fine, and I'm I was good at it.
Speaker 3: I was good at playing that game and making everybody
Speaker 3: think that things were okay. Maybe I wasn't that good
Speaker 3: at it because you guys always knew, you know, you
Speaker 3: got I think sometimes y'all might not have known, Like
Speaker 3: whenever I had gone to rehab and came out, and
Speaker 3: you know, I'd stay clean for a little bit, but
Speaker 3: I'd just tell y'all was staying clean for a lot longer.
Speaker 3: But I had already started using.
Speaker 1: You know, I think we kind of knew. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so it would be hard to not know. You
Speaker 1: would be the same way if it was us. So
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, you had the moment locked the
Speaker 1: keys in the truck and then SHANEA picks you up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we know if you fast forward you end up
Speaker 1: going to prison, correct for the charges. Correct, But you
Speaker 1: were already kind of rebuilding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had lunch with you right before you went.
Speaker 3: I had lunch, Yes, So so I had. I had
Speaker 3: stayed clean in twenty twenty one, and prior to that
Speaker 3: for thirteen months, and I relapsed. I drank a beer
Speaker 3: and I relapsed, and my Sobriet beer one beer, but
Speaker 3: that at that time that one beer canceled that date.
Speaker 3: That date was no longer good, that date was gone.
Speaker 3: And a couple weeks later I thought about that beer
Speaker 3: that I had and I was like, well, I can
Speaker 3: have a couple of beers.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And then a couple of weeks later, well I can
Speaker 3: have a bucket. And that night we were playing we
Speaker 3: were playing darts. I won't forget that night either, where
Speaker 3: Shane and I went out. We were playing darts and
Speaker 3: had a bunch of beers and had a rumplement shot.
Speaker 3: And that she knows that that I tell her that
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's what put me over there
Speaker 3: is that's what put me over the edge. I created
Speaker 3: an argument, I created a fight and left her at
Speaker 3: home and went to the dope house. And that was
Speaker 3: I think that was in December when I was gone,
Speaker 3: But I came back. I started rebuilding from from January
Speaker 3: to March, know whing this case was coming up, and
Speaker 3: in the back of my head, I was telling myself,
Speaker 3: I'm getting time. I'm getting time. There's nothing there this
Speaker 3: this lady, miss Beach. She already told me if she
Speaker 3: ever sees me in her courtroom again, she's gonna throw
Speaker 3: the book at me. So I already. I already knew
Speaker 3: that there was I was getting time. The attorneys that
Speaker 3: we were working with were kind of finicky, but I knew.
Speaker 3: I was just hoping that I didn't get time, but
Speaker 3: I knew I was getting time. But while I was
Speaker 3: in there, my wife Shana found her faith and found
Speaker 3: God and found and grew in her walk. And for me,
Speaker 3: that means everything. And for me, I do it. Like
Speaker 3: I told you guys last night at the camp, if
Speaker 3: I had to go to prison a million times over
Speaker 3: for her to find her walk, I'll do it hands down.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't even hesitate, tell me, sign me up right now.
Speaker 3: And while I was in there, they had an app
Speaker 3: called Pandos, so I was watching. I was getting to
Speaker 3: watch sermons because they gave us tablets in there, but
Speaker 3: I got I got to watch. This was after bido,
Speaker 3: and we'll go into bito another time.
Speaker 1: But let me pause you to to say that for
Speaker 1: people listening for context, things are really bad for you
Speaker 1: because because of debt that had piled up, because of
Speaker 1: child support, because of felony charges. If anyone's listening that
Speaker 1: has a similar situation or family member, and almost everyone does,
Speaker 1: absolutely you could you could reach a point where I
Speaker 1: mean even I was like, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say because because say say you're say the
Speaker 1: Lord saves you, and the Lord regenerate your life, and
Speaker 1: you're still de de with consequences of extreme debt, extreme
Speaker 1: child support, felony charges, can't find a job. But but
Speaker 1: that wasn't God's plan either, because the God even started
Speaker 1: redeeming that. He doesn't have to, but he started redeeming that.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I just want to say, I wanted to
Speaker 1: pause that to say you're in a bad spot, not
Speaker 1: just with addiction and relationships, but also like with the state,
Speaker 1: with life everything. Yes, yeah, the state. And I'll say
Speaker 1: too because I, your mom and I have talked endlessly
Speaker 1: about this the state as far as correctional you know,
Speaker 1: the institution that we have set up nationwide, it's just
Speaker 1: not set up for people to actually rehab and get
Speaker 1: better and restart a life. No, it just kind of
Speaker 1: holds you out of outside of society and just forces
Speaker 1: you just you're on the out, you're on the outskirts,
Speaker 1: and you'll never recover the way the state has it,
Speaker 1: it's not made to rehabilitate people. It's made just to
Speaker 1: get you off the streets in away from everybody, and
Speaker 1: then all the taxpayers pay for the prison systems. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: They keep the prison system full for a reason. Oh
Speaker 3: my goodness.
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Speaker 1: So you are you? You end up getting incarcerated? How
Speaker 1: many years?
Speaker 3: They give me? A five year?
Speaker 1: So gave you five year cents?
Speaker 3: And which for my charge in the in the county
Speaker 3: I was in. Is is a pretty steep penalty. But
Speaker 3: since my priors, since I had priors, that's why. That's
Speaker 3: why I got sentence.
Speaker 1: I got Where did you? At what point does the
Speaker 1: you know? Shaney said, Shana is all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: she's walking in her faith. When did the Lord find you?
Speaker 1: Was it slow or was it one moment? Or was
Speaker 1: it a guy that talked to you? Or was it
Speaker 1: just the seed had been planted and slowly grew.
Speaker 3: Seed was planted in twenty fifteen when I was in
Speaker 3: Arran County with a gentleman named Byron Starks, and that
Speaker 3: seed was planned. He introduced me to the Bible. I've
Speaker 3: known about the Bible. I'd been to church as a kid.
Speaker 3: I grew up Episcopellian, which was a boring church that
Speaker 3: the Organs and everything. I'm just saying, I apologize to
Speaker 3: the Piscopellions, but when I was a kid, I was
Speaker 3: kicking pews, just just a fly. But so he planted
Speaker 3: the seed in twenty fifteen and Terran County Jail, and
Speaker 3: it just I won't forget that because the seed was planted.
Speaker 3: So I always had questions. So I considered myself agnostic
Speaker 3: just because I always had questions. I never thought I
Speaker 3: was an atheist or anything, because I knew there was
Speaker 3: something bigger than me. I just didn't want I didn't
Speaker 3: know what to call it.
Speaker 1: So I'm convinced there's no true atheist. Okay, you could
Speaker 1: get you could at some point. You could break down
Speaker 1: that argument pretty easy.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, we can go on a tandem about that.
Speaker 3: But so long story short. The minute that it all
Speaker 3: turned and my story really began, it was January second,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, when I actually got on my knees
Speaker 3: and and was was done because I had I had
Speaker 3: thought I had surrendered, before, thought i'd given up and
Speaker 3: was asking God for help, but I was there was
Speaker 3: always this this ultimatum like I'll do this if you
Speaker 3: do this like God helped me, or I'll be good
Speaker 3: if you just give me this right now. And you know, religious,
Speaker 3: it's exactly what it was, and that's how that's how
Speaker 3: I was doing it. And but January second, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: I felt the difference. I could see the difference. Since
Speaker 3: that day, I've asked him every day, get let me
Speaker 3: get let me out of the way, show me how
Speaker 3: to be a service, and show me your will, show
Speaker 3: me your will. That's it, and I try to get
Speaker 3: out of the way. And when I noticed those things
Speaker 3: aren't happening the way that I think they should happen,
Speaker 3: then that's I'm not doing things in his will. I'm
Speaker 3: just trying to, like I said earlier, plug a square
Speaker 3: peg in a circle hole. And whenever that starts happening,
Speaker 3: whenever I start getting pushbacks on things, then I know
Speaker 3: that I okay, I need to step back and realize
Speaker 3: and get out of the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it so someone thirty that sermon I prepped. In
Speaker 1: verse three, it says, if you, oh, Lord, should count iniquities,
Speaker 1: O Lord, who could stand? Yeah, I mean that's not
Speaker 1: a Santa Claus religion. That is, if God counts your
Speaker 1: sins against you, no one's gonna make it. No one
Speaker 1: is good enough.
Speaker 3: Nobody.
Speaker 1: The next verse, verse four says, but with you there
Speaker 1: is forgiveness, that you may be feared so and that
Speaker 1: it points straight to the gospel of what Jesus did
Speaker 1: on the Cross. But you told me something interesting last
Speaker 1: night around the campfire. You said that you you and
Speaker 1: Shana were sharing what you read every day every day
Speaker 1: while you're in prison in the One of the worst
Speaker 1: imis you could possibly imagine these horrible wards in the
Speaker 1: state of Texas, and you're in there reading the Bible
Speaker 1: and then sharing what you read with Shane, and she's
Speaker 1: sharing what she read daily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was amazing. So when you're in prison, you
Speaker 3: can be in prison in prison, if that makes sense,
Speaker 3: like you can definitely you can be in prison out here.
Speaker 3: And I wasn't going to allow myself to I wanted
Speaker 3: to be at peace, and I was at peace on
Speaker 3: March thirteenth, twenty twenty two, when I got sentenced. I
Speaker 3: was at peace. Nobody else in the behind me was
Speaker 3: at peace. My family wasn't at peace, but I was
Speaker 3: at peace because I knew that maybe this is God
Speaker 3: telling me to sit down for a little bit, and
Speaker 3: this is going to give me the time to be
Speaker 3: able to connect with God and connect with everything that
Speaker 3: there is that I need to know, not only about
Speaker 3: the gospel, but about myself. And by her and I
Speaker 3: having that relationship talking a couple times a day, I
Speaker 3: mean sometime when you're on lockdown, there's no talking. The
Speaker 3: first five weeks I was locked up, there was no
Speaker 3: communication at all.
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes I was emailing you too, and we would
Speaker 1: talk and then all of a sudden, you just you
Speaker 1: wouldn't answer it, like I guess he's I guess they're
Speaker 1: in lockdown again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so you have to just any chance
Speaker 3: you get, it's just cherish it and if you can,
Speaker 3: you know, you just know that you're not always going
Speaker 3: to get to talk to the person that you want
Speaker 3: to talk to with the person that you love. But
Speaker 3: so we grew together the most that we've ever grown.
Speaker 3: And we were so far apart. We were not physically together,
Speaker 3: but we grew so close together during that time just
Speaker 3: because of our walk and how I was way over
Speaker 3: here and she was way over here because she had
Speaker 3: a tough upbringing, too. Her family. Her family upbringing was
Speaker 3: tough man and so just having that all connect into
Speaker 3: one and just and just oh it was, it was.
Speaker 3: It was amazing. Like it brings me to tears today
Speaker 3: just just thinking about the love that she found towards God.
Speaker 3: Knowing the love that there is reciprocated from God, and
Speaker 3: that's the connection that we had walking that faith. I
Speaker 3: would hear music. I can't tell you how many times
Speaker 3: Carry Joe and Cody Carns the Blessing played on my
Speaker 3: tablet and I just was sitting under there with the
Speaker 3: sheets over my head, just bawling my eyes out, with
Speaker 3: my earbuds in my head, and Gyra from Maverick City Music.
Speaker 3: Those two songs mean so much to me because of
Speaker 3: how they played a role in my walk while I
Speaker 3: was in prison, I wasn't in prison.
Speaker 4: In prison, I've heard John Pepper say that when he
Speaker 4: goes and speaks to people in prison, to men and
Speaker 4: women in prison, that we can be more in prison
Speaker 4: out here, be as slaves to all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4: But when you're in there, you have all the time
Speaker 4: to spend with God and to read His word, and
Speaker 4: you can be so free in there, even though you're
Speaker 4: locked up. But praise God for bringing you and shanea
Speaker 4: together on the same path at the same time, because
Speaker 4: that doesn't happen a lot.
Speaker 1: No, it happened with Amber and I actually yeah, And
Speaker 1: people ask me that all the time. We're like, when
Speaker 1: all this is happening with you, what about Amber? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, by God's grace, for some reason, in
Speaker 1: the Lord's kindness, he was bringing her along at the
Speaker 1: same time. Because she could have easily, like when we
Speaker 1: went through the whole thing with River and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Lord saves me. She could have
Speaker 1: been like, you're out of your mind. You know, you're
Speaker 1: just coping. You know, you're trying to find something that
Speaker 1: make you feel better, and that's great for you, but
Speaker 1: I don't need that. But that's not what happened. It's
Speaker 1: interesting too that you get back and out of the
Speaker 1: Lord's kindness. You called me and you're like, man, I'm
Speaker 1: in a great church where it's just right down the road.
Speaker 1: Shane and I got plugged in and in my mind,
Speaker 1: you know, I talk about churches all the time on
Speaker 1: this podcast. I'm like, oh, no, dude, just finds the
Speaker 1: trail like he's on fire for the Lord, which is great.
Speaker 1: He gets out of prison and the first thing he
Speaker 1: does is go right down the road jump into the
Speaker 1: local church there. Whatever church it is, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and it all of a sudden he loves it, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, this can be bad. I look
Speaker 1: it up and I friended the senior pastor on Instagram,
Speaker 1: who I now know is Landing great brother, and I
Speaker 1: friended him and DM him and then I was like
Speaker 1: reading this whole bio, like where's this guy from? Because
Speaker 1: this is important to me. Man, Like the next step
Speaker 1: you come out of prison, you're with shaying that you
Speaker 1: guys are building something. If you don't, if you don't
Speaker 1: lock into a good local church that's going to walk
Speaker 1: along with you, that's going to live life with you.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be your brothers and sisters. That's three hours
Speaker 1: from Amber and I. So they're your brothers and sisters
Speaker 1: that are gonna they're gonna like my hat ninety nine
Speaker 1: for one, that are gonna seek out the one lost
Speaker 1: sheep out of the hundred and say, worre's calling, anybody
Speaker 1: seen call it. It's an elder led church, So where's
Speaker 1: calling anybody seen him. He hadn't been here in three weeks.
Speaker 1: Someone goes, I know where I'll go get him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're beating on the door, north point.
Speaker 1: That's what a church is supposed to do. If you
Speaker 1: would have entered a church that you would have got
Speaker 1: lost in are the super charismatic? And then and it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not full of pastors that actually tend
Speaker 1: the sheep. Then that would have been bad. So I
Speaker 1: find Land and then all of a sudden, Land and
Speaker 1: I became friends. Now he's my bro and am landon
Speaker 1: how in the world are we like minded in ministry?
Speaker 1: And my brother in law ends up in your church?
Speaker 1: Only the Lord would have taken would have got you?
Speaker 1: Because I don't think you knew right, I mean, did
Speaker 1: you You.
Speaker 2: Were supposed to go to that church?
Speaker 1: That m no.
Speaker 3: So so we're not. When we've been talking about trying
Speaker 3: to find a local church. We lived in Joshua at
Speaker 3: the time. Whenever I got out, we wanted to go
Speaker 3: find a local church. So we went to a couple
Speaker 3: of churches the first couple of weekends I got out,
Speaker 3: and we were like, yeah, they're okay, but we're gonna
Speaker 3: keep shopping and we were supposed to go to and
Speaker 3: it was like eight thirty five I think am on
Speaker 3: a Sunday, and we were driving out to the church
Speaker 3: that we had planned on going to the not before.
Speaker 3: Nobody's in the parking lot. So we're like, okay, well
Speaker 3: then let's just keep driving.
Speaker 1: So we drove.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good, drove drove another half a mile maybe
Speaker 3: a mile, and saw there was a bunch of cars
Speaker 3: in this church up there on the top of the hill.
Speaker 3: So we pulled in. Joel Harrold was the first guy
Speaker 3: that welcomed me. He's an elder, he's a deacon at
Speaker 3: our church, and he just was so welcoming and I
Speaker 3: just I felt the love immediately, and so we we
Speaker 3: got to know each other, filled out the connect card,
Speaker 3: did all the things, went into the church, sat down
Speaker 3: and just started worshiping, started praising, and then Landing got
Speaker 3: up there and was just spitting fire and just tears
Speaker 3: rolling down my eyes and I'm balling my eyes out.
Speaker 3: She's balling her eyes out, and we looked at each
Speaker 3: other him here like we're home.
Speaker 4: This is Granger was so happy when he came and
Speaker 4: he did his research with Landor. He was like, babe,
Speaker 4: he's in a really good church. No church is perfect,
Speaker 4: there's you know, there's it's full of centers. But to
Speaker 4: have a healthy body of believers around you, brothers and sisters,
Speaker 4: who who who Your pastor preaches the Word of God,
Speaker 4: preaches Christ, Crucifide and you know, redeeming grace and just family.
Speaker 1: Yes, he goes Landing. Their senior pastor goes to by
Speaker 1: the way that everyone listening. This is North Point Church
Speaker 1: in Burlesson area. So he's at a pastor's conference a
Speaker 1: few months ago in Georgetown and he hits me up
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, on my way back, you want
Speaker 1: to grab lunch. I was like yeah, So we go
Speaker 1: go grab lunch, and you know, part of the conversation
Speaker 1: was calling and I mean, he just genuinely loves you,
Speaker 1: cares about you. In fact, there was a there was
Speaker 1: a there was kind of a guy. There was this
Speaker 1: thing going on with you at the time that would
Speaker 1: look back, he was it was harmless, but at the
Speaker 1: time he was like, yeah, he's he's been talking to
Speaker 1: this guy. What do you think about it? And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's that's interesting because he's a true
Speaker 1: pastor by the definition of the word pastor. And I
Speaker 1: said this on the podcast a few weeks ago, that
Speaker 1: that word comes from the word shepherd, which literally means
Speaker 1: in context of a shepherd with the sheep, caring for,
Speaker 1: watching them, teaching them, feeding them, loving them, protecting them.
Speaker 1: And he is in every sense of that word. That's
Speaker 1: what he is for you and for the rest of
Speaker 1: his sheep. And if a church gets too big, then
Speaker 1: he has, you know, then they must get more shepherds
Speaker 1: for the amount of the size of the flock. And
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there at lunch and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is so cool, man, because because then for the
Speaker 1: first time in fifteen years, I could say I don't
Speaker 1: need to be spiritually every step of the way with Colin.
Speaker 1: Now it could just be his brother in law knowing
Speaker 1: he has a shepherd that's going to take care of
Speaker 1: his spiritual walk. And now we could just be brothers
Speaker 1: and share and I don't have to think about where's Colin.
Speaker 1: I need to go get him, because like you said,
Speaker 1: they will be knocking down Absolutely. Man, I'm talking too much.
Speaker 1: Let's at least ask a question or get to a
Speaker 1: question on here podcast at grangersmith dot com if you
Speaker 1: want to email me, and this is the prep that
Speaker 1: and gave me. I scanned three down and I saw
Speaker 1: the word substance and I was like, oh cool, I
Speaker 1: read that one. That's why you're here. It says from anonymous.
Speaker 1: I want to ask some marriage advice on how to
Speaker 1: handle the situation. My husband and I both quit using
Speaker 1: any type of substance when we got saved. Over the
Speaker 1: past few months, my husband has started dipping slash smoking again,
Speaker 1: and now he's lying about it, and every time I
Speaker 1: catch him, he tells me I won't do it again,
Speaker 1: but then he continues. I can't trust him and I
Speaker 1: can't believe what he says after he lies to me
Speaker 1: all the time. I pray him for him every day.
Speaker 1: What should I do? Oh? One more sentence? I want
Speaker 1: him to lead our family, but I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: always the one leading since he always gives me gives
Speaker 1: in to his temptations. I wish that last sentence wasn't
Speaker 1: in there. Maybe I read it the wrong way. First
Speaker 1: thoughts on this coin, What do you think's going on
Speaker 1: with this dude? They quit, they got married. It sounds
Speaker 1: like there was kind of a deal like, hey, when
Speaker 1: we get married, we're gonna get clean.
Speaker 3: After they got saved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So what I've witnessed being on I guess both sides
Speaker 3: of it now, yeah, is you cannot change somebody else. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: only God can do that, and he's got to seek
Speaker 3: that if he really wants that change. Just continue to pray,
Speaker 3: just continue to be there for him so that he
Speaker 3: feels safe to be honest. Maybe there's a situation. I
Speaker 3: don't know yours, but maybe he doesn't feel safe being honest. Maybe,
Speaker 3: speaking from my personal experience, if I was ever honest,
Speaker 3: I felt like I was always just going to get
Speaker 3: in trouble. So I would always try to hide it
Speaker 3: and and lie about it so that I didn't think
Speaker 3: I was going to get in trouble. I think even
Speaker 3: though after they found out, I was in even more
Speaker 3: trouble and they were like, dude, if you were just
Speaker 3: honest with me, we wouldn't be in this situation. So
Speaker 3: I think just telling him it's okay to be honest,
Speaker 3: telling him it's it's okay to have those desires, but
Speaker 3: we can pray together and ask God to remove those desires.
Speaker 3: That's what my wife and I do we ask God
Speaker 3: to remove the desires that we have. And I haven't
Speaker 3: had anything in what was it one thousand and ninety
Speaker 3: five days or something three years? Three years in January,
Speaker 3: and I've lost the desire just because God has taken
Speaker 3: that desire. So I think if I can give you
Speaker 3: any advice on this is just pray with Him and
Speaker 3: if you guys are saved, then I know. It's uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: At first, it was very uncomfortable for my wife and
Speaker 3: I because it was new. We'd never done it, and
Speaker 3: so we felt kind of nerdy or kind of weird
Speaker 3: doing it. But once you get into it and actually
Speaker 3: start doing it together, it becomes natural and you you
Speaker 3: want to pray with each other. And so when you
Speaker 3: have that, that that deep love for Christ and you
Speaker 3: can you can do that, then you can and pray
Speaker 3: together and pray for that desire to go away. Dipping
Speaker 3: in cigarettes is a very hard thing. I've done both
Speaker 3: I did. I dipped for many many, many, many many years,
Speaker 3: and it was very hard for me to have that
Speaker 3: desire taken away. But man, with all things, nothing is
Speaker 3: impossible for God. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right on I think there I
Speaker 1: usually feel in some of these questions that there is
Speaker 1: a nagging problem that's coming from her. And and so
Speaker 1: I think it seems like he's trying to deceive you
Speaker 1: and lie to you. And I think the fact is
Speaker 1: he's just like, man, I don't want to deal with
Speaker 1: what she's going to say, and I'm having trouble because
Speaker 1: maybe he's been dipping the whole time, correct And maybe
Speaker 1: she thought he quit.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's just really having trouble quitting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And obviously the dipping and smoking thing is what
Speaker 1: should think she's worried about, is what it would what
Speaker 1: it's leading back to the old lifestyle. You do so good, babe,
Speaker 1: at affirming me and pouring into the things that I
Speaker 1: do well, and then that makes me want to be
Speaker 1: better in the things that I'm not doing well, Like
Speaker 1: you'll you you always tell the kids, like, Daddy works
Speaker 1: so hard for us, And even the times when I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm neglecting my family or working too much,
Speaker 1: you will say, Daddy's working so hard for us, aren't
Speaker 1: we are? Aren't we so happy that Daddy's working hard?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, yeah, and I need to spend
Speaker 1: I need to pour into them that it does like
Speaker 1: reverse psychology to me, and I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 1: From this anonymous email. You're saying, I want him to
Speaker 1: lead our family, but I feel like I'm always the
Speaker 1: one leading. What if you told him? What if he said,
Speaker 1: you lead us so well? And we've been through so
Speaker 1: much together, And I just want to say that I
Speaker 1: appreciate what you do for this family. I think there's
Speaker 1: something in there that makes him go, I need to
Speaker 1: be better in this well.
Speaker 3: I think that too, And I think the whole accountability thing.
Speaker 3: If you hold your partner accountable, you hold each other accountable,
Speaker 3: and so you if you have that openness, you don't
Speaker 3: have to line, you don't have to deceive if they
Speaker 3: call you on your stuff. So you know what, You're right,
Speaker 3: I am doing whatever, whatever the situation is. Thank you
Speaker 3: for bringing that to my attention. Let's let's let's let's
Speaker 3: do some things to make this betters.
Speaker 2: Can I take to help you in this?
Speaker 1: How can I help?
Speaker 3: That's huge? That is huge. You're lying, Shana Is has
Speaker 3: been said that one instrumental, not detrimental, maybe not not detrimental,
Speaker 3: instrumental in everything that our family is now because of
Speaker 3: the accountability and if I'm slacking it work, she's like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: get on the computer, get to work. Like what are
Speaker 3: you doing? Get off your phone? Get to work. Yes, ma'am,
Speaker 3: I'm going. And if she's being fussy, I use air quotes.
Speaker 3: I hold her accountable. I'm like, hey, what's really going on?
Speaker 3: Because I know you're not mad at me for anything,
Speaker 3: So what's really going on? And then we get to
Speaker 3: the bottom of it. Okay, Well, a customer had made
Speaker 3: her matter earlier in the day or something's let's talk
Speaker 3: that out. So maybe there's some communication that needs to
Speaker 3: be going on with both of them to say, let's
Speaker 3: figure this thing out together and let's let's get rid
Speaker 3: of the bs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also anonymous. It'd be helpful if you goin
Speaker 1: to him and said, look, I've got my problems too. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I see you're dipping and smoking. Maybe you don't have
Speaker 1: to lie about that. I've got enough things going on
Speaker 1: with me. How could I How could I help you
Speaker 1: with this? And then I need you to help me
Speaker 1: as well, and you don't ever have to hide things
Speaker 1: from me. We're together, We're a team, right, What do
Speaker 1: you say on this?
Speaker 4: I think y'all are both spot on and maybe if
Speaker 4: he's dipping in smoke and he's stressed about something like,
Speaker 4: how can we work through what is stressing you out
Speaker 4: right now? And she says she wants him to lead,
Speaker 4: And I have a couple of friends who want their
Speaker 4: husbands to lead. And what I've had to well, what
Speaker 4: we've all learned is that you can't nag someone into leading.
Speaker 4: You can't bark at them and nag them into leading.
Speaker 4: You just have to pray to the Lord for him
Speaker 4: to change, like you said, change his desires, change his heart,
Speaker 4: and you just live your life according to the Bible,
Speaker 4: love him, you serve him, you pray for him, and
Speaker 4: then you pray that he sees how you live and
Speaker 4: his conduct has changed in that, and then just support
Speaker 4: him however you can, and like you said, pray together,
Speaker 4: walk through and he stresses together.
Speaker 2: But I think y'all both nailed it.
Speaker 1: Well. There are so many questions I'm looking at here
Speaker 1: and not enough time because this conversation has gone well, dude,
Speaker 1: will you come back sometime, absolutely and be on this podcast. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: continue to just pull back layers.
Speaker 3: Hits me in man, I'm like an onion.
Speaker 4: People could ask questions if they have any more questions
Speaker 4: about your walk or your life.
Speaker 3: For sure, Yeah, yeah, please reach out. Man. It's uh
Speaker 3: sin lives in the dark, and and when you're in
Speaker 3: a dark place, you can get caught up in that
Speaker 3: vicious cycle so easily because the shame, the guilt, the remorse,
Speaker 3: all of that stuff adds up, and it's just you
Speaker 3: carry that monkey on your back. But guess what, you
Speaker 3: don't have to carry that monkey. I carried that monkey
Speaker 3: for years. I carried that guilt and shame short a
Speaker 3: little bit. I was molested when I was six or seven,
Speaker 3: I don't remember the age. But I carried that monkey
Speaker 3: on my back for years. I carried the monkey of
Speaker 3: upsetting just everybody that I came in contact with. For years.
Speaker 3: I carried that guilt and shame of selling my body.
Speaker 3: I carried that for years, and don't I don't carry
Speaker 3: that anymore. I've given that burden to God. I've given
Speaker 3: everything to him. And to make it kind of easy sounding,
Speaker 3: like why not give your worries, why not give your burdens?
Speaker 3: Why not give that monkey off your back to him?
Speaker 3: Let somebody else have it. He'll take it gladly.
Speaker 4: Well, because the anemy wants you there, actually want you
Speaker 4: stuck in that place of shame and gil so you
Speaker 4: can step deeper and deeper into sin. So when we
Speaker 4: come to Christ and we repent and believe in Him,
Speaker 4: we are forgiven. There is no more condemnation for those
Speaker 4: that are in Christ.
Speaker 1: So people are listening to and I know there's guys
Speaker 1: listening going, yeah, but he's got Shana. I don't have Shana.
Speaker 1: I don't have a Shana. So don't answer that. We'll
Speaker 1: get to that next. But I think there's a way
Speaker 1: we can answer that as well, because people are going, well,
Speaker 1: must be nice, man. You got a good brother in law,
Speaker 1: sister in law, good mama, good stepdad, good good wife.
Speaker 3: I had that for twenty years. I had all that
Speaker 3: good stuff for twenty years, and I still did everything.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, all right, well dude, we'll have you back.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll have you back to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll come back.
Speaker 3: Love you guys, Bye, see.
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