1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are now how not 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: twenty four hours removed? 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're about a day removed now from the result. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 3: We'll give it a day. 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll give it a day from Sunday's loss to 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: the Bills in the Divisional round. Still stinks. Not quite 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: as fresh as it was when we taped the last 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: podcast in the postgame press room after that game in Buffalo, 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: but still disappointing. We've now had a chance to hear 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: from more players at locker clean out Day and just 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: process kind of the loss and all that went into 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 2: that game. So, as we're sitting here right now, how 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: do you look at this game and what went wrong 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: for the Ravens to lead to this final result. 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: Well, nothing's really changed. 17 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was pretty clear immediately after 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: the game and it remains so that the Ravens beat 19 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: themselves with turnovers, and when you give the ball up 20 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: three times, it's hard to win, you know. I mean 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: you look around the rest of the divisional playoff games 22 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: and every team that lost out gained their opponent in yards. 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: They also all lost turnover battle, and so when you 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: get to this stage in the playoffs, it's much harder 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: to overcome that, even if you're a really good team 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: like the Ravens, who I still believe we're the best 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: team in the league with the best quarterback and the 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: best offense and the best defense down the stretch. But 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: you give the ball away three times that there evens 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: almost overcame it. They still were a two point conversion 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: away from tying it, at least with a minute and 32 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: a half left. They despite that, right, despite all those problems, 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: they still almost overcame it. And I still feel the 34 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: same way I do now that I did then that 35 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: I think if that game does go to overtime, which 36 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: is still an if there's a minute and a half left, 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: Josh Allen with the ball need to kick a field 38 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: goal to win it. 39 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: Not a slam dunk that they were going. 40 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: To overtime, even if Mark Andrews catches that two point conversion. 41 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: But if they did go to overtime, I think the 42 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: Ravens win it. 43 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: But at the end of the. 44 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: Day, turnovers, turnovers, turnovers, and this has been the story 45 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: of the Ravens in the postseason, certainly during the Lamar 46 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: Jackson era. 47 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: The thing that's really difficult about it is is that 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: to your point, you felt like the Ravens were the 49 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: best team and they had they had the pieces. It's 50 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: almost better if you feel like, hey man, we were 51 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: playing with house money, we were already on borrow time, 52 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: and you don't feel like that the music was going 53 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: to stop at some point, Like That's not how it feels. 54 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: It feels like there's more meat on the bone. I'm 55 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: just gonna try to throw as many analogies out here 56 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: as possible, but it does feel like there's more meat 57 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: on the bone for this team because they've been so close. 58 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: And I really did come into this game feeling like 59 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: they had perspective and they were hardened by playoff losses 60 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: of past years, and all of that had helped this 61 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: team be in a really good position. And I stand 62 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: by that. I felt like this team's mindset coming into 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: the game was great, felt like their approach was great, 64 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: and like all those things like coming into a game 65 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: that you want to see from a team, I thought 66 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: we're really good. And so for it to come to 67 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: an end on a game where in some regards you 68 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: beat yourself, not entirely because on some of those turnovers. 69 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: It's not like the Bills didn't have any part in 70 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: those turnovers. But I think that, like you did have 71 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: costly mistakes that hurt you in those situations. 72 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: Van Miller scooped the ball off the ground that Lamar 73 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: Jackson just dropped. I'm not giving the Bills too much 74 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: credit for that one, no, but I mean I'll get 75 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: you out the punch out. Mark Mark tried to do 76 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: too much after he caught that ball and tried to 77 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: go across the field. He should have gotten downhill and 78 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: tuck that ball away. He was carrying it too. I mean, yeah, Okay, 79 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: I'll give you some credit for the punch out. I'll 80 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: give you partial credit on that one. But like, that 81 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: was a big mistake too. I think that, Like and 82 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: then the interception, I mean, I think you know that 83 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: was not a hard interception to make. 84 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: It was a pretty bad overthrow. Yeah. 85 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: And then Lamar's point after that play was that he 86 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: should have looked the safety off and threw that there 87 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: when he didn't need to. He should have he should 88 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: have looked the safety off and then beat the coverage 89 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: that way, rather than just heaving. 90 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: The deep play, Like I stand by. I think the 91 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: Ravens really beat themselves in the I'm not. 92 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: It's not like the Bills came out of and made 93 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: ridiculous Ed Reid style like, holy cow, do you make 94 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: that now? 95 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: That play kind of plays there. 96 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I just think that, like 97 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: I think that when you're looking at a game and 98 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: like the narrative coming out of this, and I think 99 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: a sense from the Ravens is like they beat themselves 100 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: and there's truth in that, Like, there's definitely truth in that. 101 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: I do not think the Ravens played their best game, 102 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: far from it, And I think that there's a lot 103 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: of things that were uncharacteristic. This has not been a 104 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: team that turns the ball over much this year. That's 105 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: been an area of strength. And then also he started 106 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: to have this issue kind of. 107 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: The catch twenty two is that has not been the 108 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: Ravens this year now and some of their losses that's 109 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: been the issue, right, I mean the Pittsburgh lost in Pittsburgh. 110 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: Turnovers are certainly a major part of that fumble on 111 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: the first offensive snap, you know, and you even go 112 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: one of the Mars turnovers one of his interceptions was 113 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: against the Raiders, and you know they had this Chris 114 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: Jones Week one against the Chiefs, you know, sack strip 115 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: On early in that game. 116 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 3: And so when the. 117 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: Ravens, the takeaway that I got even talking to the 118 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: players the day after this loss was that they still 119 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: feel today just as they did before they play the game, 120 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: that if they don't beat themselves, nobody's going to beat them. 121 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: And that's how they leave this season feeling. And that's 122 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: a bitter feel, that's a bitter taste that you beat, 123 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: you knock yourself out of the playoffs. 124 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: And I think that they're not wrong in that. 125 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's truth in that. I also 126 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: now I think that like situationally, and I just there's 127 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: something to not losing, Yeah, like the a team's ability 128 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: to not lose games counts for something, Like I don't 129 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: think I think that the Ravens had a higher ceiling 130 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: than the Chiefs. They certainly had a higher ceiling than 131 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,559 Speaker 2: the Bills this year, all those things. 132 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: But like the. 133 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: Chiefs keep winning Super Bowls and just a lot of 134 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: games because they often don't beat themselves. Yeah, and that's 135 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: what the Bills did. They the Bills didn't do anything 136 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: Sunday night. That like really made me go, wow, man, 137 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: this is a great Bill seam. They have a good 138 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: they have they have a very very good team. 139 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 3: They're a very good opponent. 140 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: But like, I think the Ravens have a higher ceiling 141 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: than the Bills certainly, And and so when you feel like, man, 142 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: if we just play up to our level, we can't 143 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: be beaten. It's it makes it even a tougher pill 144 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: to swallow when you don't do that. Yeah, it wasn't 145 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: even that they they like the Ravens had they turned 146 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: them all over once, okay, twice, Okay, you still muld 147 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: have won the game, you know what I mean, Like 148 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: you didn't have to play a perfect game. 149 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 3: You just couldn't play that kind of game. 150 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they had three turnovers and a two 151 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: point conversion that was dropped and two three turnever's two 152 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: failed two point conversions. 153 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: I'll get I'll give Milano credit for the first one. 154 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: He bat got his hand on that. That was a 155 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: good play by Matt Malana, the Bills linebacker, to get 156 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: a hand on the first two point versions. 157 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I think that when I look at 158 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: this game and I could extend it to playoff losses 159 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: of past years or losses even this season. I think 160 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: that in key situations the Ravens had miscuse And it's 161 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: like you talk about situational football. Two point conversion opportunities 162 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: are key situational football, or when you get down at 163 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 2: the two yard line after the bigger shat Bateman pass 164 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: and having to settle for three there rather than punching 165 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: it in. Like, there's some key situations of this game 166 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: where I thought that the Ravens just came up short, 167 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: and some of it was the turnovers, and then some 168 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: of it was I guess good plays by the Bills, 169 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: whatever it is. I think that like, and that's what 170 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: I like when I look at the Chiefs just as 171 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: an example, like they're a team to me that like 172 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: thrives in those key situations, clutch moments, coming up with 173 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: like they'll play and not hurting themselves in key situations. 174 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: The Bills did that in this game too. 175 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: I hear you. 176 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: I hear you, and I think there's validity to what 177 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: you're saying. I think that it's easy to kind of 178 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: key in on that after loss, obviously, but there are 179 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: a lot of key situations where the Ravens made plays 180 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: in these playoffs. In the Bills game, and even when 181 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: you go back to Steelers, I mean, eleven seconds left 182 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: at the end of the half, great play, key situation, 183 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: huge situation. I mean, gosh, you're backed up in the 184 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: shadow of your own end zone there at the end 185 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: of this Bills game. And the drive that Lamar Jackson 186 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: and the offense mounted. You talk about clutch, they clutched 187 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: up right, and like, I hear you, I hear you, 188 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: and like you're not gonna make every single key ones 189 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: key play, but like the Ravens made a lot, and 190 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: they fought back from eleven points down a halftime and 191 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: made some clutch plays, some clutch conversions. 192 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: In that game. 193 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: And so I actually do kind of give the Ravens 194 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: credit in this game of like they did not wilt. 195 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: And and part of the narrative going into this year's 196 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: playoffs was, like, you know, Lamar Jackson even talked about 197 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: being antsy and not being patient enough and whatever and 198 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: like kind of basically freaking out if things didn't go 199 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: well early on in games. And you know, we'd seen 200 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: that to a degree in twenty nineteen. I think that 201 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: was kind of the case against the Titans in that 202 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: divisional loss, and you know, when things went sour early, 203 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: this team had a tendency to come unraveled. I did 204 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: not see a team that came unraveled in Buffalo. And like, look, 205 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, it feels like I'm just you know, really 206 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: putting kind of lipstick on a pig here. But like 207 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: I give the Ravens credit for that, you know what 208 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: I mean? Like that is a sign to me if 209 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: you're looking for signs of like, man, are they gonna 210 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: get over the hump? 211 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: Are they gonna Are they gonna get to that Super Bowl? 212 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: Because like, the Ravens. 213 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: Really have an unparalleled level of success regular season success 214 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: without getting to the Super Yeah. Right, If you look 215 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: through in NFL history, a few teams have had this 216 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: much success and not made it. And if you're looking 217 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: for reasons like are they gonna make it? To me 218 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: that that is a data point. Like they they hung 219 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: in there and they battle back, and I think they 220 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: deserve some credit for that. 221 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I'm with you. I think in 222 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: the second half of this game, they played in a 223 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: way largely that spoke to really who the team was 224 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: this season, that that battles some adversity. We're in a 225 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: bit of a hole. I mean, this team started owing too, 226 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 2: and they were in a hole early this year, and 227 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 2: they climbed out of that and they and they were 228 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: really rolling in the second half. And I still feel 229 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: like if it was like a sixty five minute game, 230 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: they win this and and so that is part of 231 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: what makes it so tough. And I think to some 232 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: degree you can take I guess a little bit of 233 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: solace in the way that you're phrasing it that like 234 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: that is that is a data point of positivity. And 235 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: looking at this game like this, this team fell back, 236 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: they were they were down two scores at halftime, and 237 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson himself, who marches this team down the field 238 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: for an eighty eight yard touchdown drive at the at 239 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: the end of the game and then has a chance 240 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: to tie it there, Like that was a big time 241 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: drive similar to what he did in the season opener 242 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: against Kansas City, where you're. 243 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: Ravens Lore, if the defense gets a stop, you go 244 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: to overtime win. 245 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: That would have been in Ravens Lower. 246 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: And I think the Lamar this year, I will say, 247 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: like I know, earlier in his career, there was a 248 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: question of like leading the team back when you when 249 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 2: you're when you're not leading, Like I think that's been 250 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: a race, Like I mean, he can come, he can 251 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: march his team back late in games. He did it there, 252 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: he did it in the season opener against Kansas City. 253 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: They just weren't able, you know, to finish those drives. 254 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: And so that's like the disappointment, like you're super close 255 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: but not able to ultimately win those games. And I 256 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: think that's part of what's so frustrating and why when 257 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: we talked to him after the game, you could see 258 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: the emotion. He talked about how he's hot, and it's 259 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: like we he made the point like I don't want 260 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: to just keep coming close. We got to punch that ticket, 261 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: like I'm tired of being close, tired of it, And 262 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 2: he was fired up about it. And so I think 263 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: that all of all of that is part of the 264 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: is the it is part of the reason the team 265 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: is feeling the way that they are feeling, which is 266 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: felt like all the pieces were there, coaches, players, all 267 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: of it, and they're knocking on the door but just 268 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: haven't been able to kick it down yet. And so 269 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: like and Lamar feels that and he wants he wants 270 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: to get it done, and I think that it's just 271 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: one of those things where I don't know, Like right 272 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: now everybody in the sports media world is talking about, 273 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: like why can't the Ravens get it done. 274 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: In the playoffs? Right? 275 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: So that's the question, right, is like the question is, 276 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: to your point, the Ravens were not a turnover prone team, 277 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: this really in the regular season. But why do they 278 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: keep turning the ball over in the playoffs? Why does 279 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: this keep happening? And you look for through lines, right, 280 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: that's like what we do in the media, which try 281 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: to connect things and and make sense of those questions 282 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: because it's a valid question, right, like that, why do 283 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: they keep falling short? Okay, let's try to answer that turnovers. 284 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: If you just look at the games turnovers have been it. 285 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: Why do they keep committing turnovers in the pen in 286 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: the playoffs? 287 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: And that's I don't think that there's a through liners, 288 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: So why they commit turnovers? 289 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: I agree, I don't think that there's there's Really you 290 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: could not have told me that Mark Andrews is gonna 291 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: get stripped for the first time since you know twenty 292 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: ninety is gonna fumble for the first time since twenty 293 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: nineteen in this game. Didn't have that on my bingo card, right, 294 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: didn't have Mark drop on a two point conversion, you know, 295 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: and and so like that's that's inexplainable. 296 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: You cannot explain that. I think. I do think that. 297 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: Like one thing that that comes to my mind is 298 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: like I think that. And you watch the Chiefs and 299 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: the Bills play in the way that the Mahomes and 300 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: Alan play like sometimes they you know, the Bills were 301 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: checked down city small, take what you can get kind 302 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: of offense on Sunday night. That ain't the way Lamar 303 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: Jackson plays. Lamar Jackson plays too. He comes after you. 304 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: He is aggressive, he attacks, and like I love that 305 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: about Lamar, you know, like that's how you get some 306 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: of the special Lamar Jackson moments, you know. But he 307 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: was kicking himself the fumble for example, He's like, I 308 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: should have just fallen on it, right, Like I should 309 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: have just it was a. 310 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: Bad it was a rough snap. I had to cry, 311 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 3: I should have fallen on it. 312 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: But I was trying to make a play and scoop 313 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: it up and then it slipped out of my hands 314 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: and like, gosh, you certainly didn't fault him for that 315 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, when he threw Stam Hubbard to the ground 316 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: with a stiff arm and threw a touchdown past Isaiah 317 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: likely on the same thing. 318 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: Box snaps scoop it up. 319 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: Makes one of the greatest highlights of his career, and 320 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: we're all like, amazing, that's Lamar magic right there, right 321 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: kind of tries to do a similar thing you said, 322 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: was trying to run instead of pass, and then this happens. 323 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: That's the way that Lamar Jackson plays the game. 324 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: That's how he's wired. You got to take it or 325 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 3: leave it, you know what. 326 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I don't know that you can like train 327 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: it out of Lamar and be like Lamar, you know what, 328 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: Like we got to be more cautious in the playoffs, 329 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't think that's Lamar. 330 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: Don't play the game like that. 331 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: And I ninety nine percent of the time I'll take that, and. 332 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: More often than not it works out in the Ravens 333 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: favor for go back a week that play right before halftime, 334 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: that Justicehill touchdown a little bit similar, not the exact same, 335 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: but there's eleven seconds left and he's looking around and 336 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: the pocket's closing in on it and everyone get rid 337 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: of it, and that's what everyone's thinking. And then he 338 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: keeps the play alive and then finds Justice Hill for 339 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: to walk in touchdown. And so more often than not, 340 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: that style. Lamar's perfected that style, and that's what makes 341 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: him a. 342 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: Great player, exactly. 343 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: And so you you kind of live and die with that. 344 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: To a certain extent, he made the point like he 345 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: was trying to make something happen, Like he was trying 346 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: to make something happen in that moment. He was in 347 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: a tough situation. It was a bad snap and he 348 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: did a pretty good job honestly just to get the 349 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: ball back the way that he did. So he's trying 350 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: to make something happen. It's a slick night. I'm sure 351 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: the ball was wet, yep, And it's a slick field, 352 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: I will say, just like as a dry field. 353 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: He jukes Damar Hamlin and he's like, yeah, he might 354 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: his legs. 355 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: Honestly, you could have been off to the races there, 356 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: I will say, just on like the field and the 357 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: weather and like both teams were playing in it. So 358 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: it's not by any means an excuse, but I do 359 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: think that I was down there on that field before 360 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: the game and at the end of the game, and 361 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: I actually thought the field conditions and my mind were 362 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: a little bit more challenging when you were down there 363 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: in it versus when I was sitting in the press 364 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: box or even looking at it on TV. Just tough 365 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: for fere right, right, But it looked it did not 366 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: look to. 367 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: Me as bad even on TV and stuff. 368 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: Even on TV, like I looked at it and I 369 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: was like, it's just a little bit of snow, but 370 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: like it was slick. That snow's blown in your face. 371 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: It's a little bit a little bit when it wasn't 372 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: crazy win. I just thought it was a little bit 373 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 2: more challenging than it looked being in that situation. And 374 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: now both teams were in it, like it's not like 375 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 2: an excuse for but I. 376 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: Do think that they I think that level the playing 377 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: field two tore. 378 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 2: You look at the two of the turnovers, both fumbles. 379 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: Does does market that ball punched out if it's dry, 380 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. Slickball guy made a 381 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: great play, hit it right on the nose and he 382 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: punched the ball out. But Mark hadn't fumbled in five years, Like, 383 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: if it's a dry day, does he hold on to that? Again, 384 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: both these teams are in that same situation, so you 385 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: can't just be like, ah, tough weather, what can you do? 386 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: You need to protect the football in that situation. But 387 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: I think that that was a part of the reason 388 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 2: that the Ravens ended up having those turnovers so well. 389 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: I think the other part that Bear's mentioning here when 390 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about turnovers is the lack of takeaways for 391 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: the Ravens on defense over the course of the playoffs. 392 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: Since twenty eighteen, the Ravens have only three takeaways in 393 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: all those playoff games. Nine games in the playoffs three takeaways. 394 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: So when you look at the turnover differential, their minus 395 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: thirteen when it comes to turn So it's not just 396 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: that they're giving the ball up, they're not getting it 397 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: getting it back on defense as much as they should be. 398 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: And I felt that way watching this Bills game. I mean, 399 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's a slick ball out there for both teams. 400 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: Can the Ravens get a fumble, can they punch one out, 401 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: Can they get it get an interception? Can they take 402 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: the ball away? That was also a big difference maker 403 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: in this game. I read a story by Sports Illustrated 404 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: Albert Breer, and he was writing that he talked to 405 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: the Bills coaches afterwards and they they looked at every 406 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: single Ravens offensive play this season in their film study 407 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: leading up to the game because they knew they had 408 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 1: a problem on their hands. And after they looked, you know, 409 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it was thirty five to ten in week four, 410 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: and after they looked at the. 411 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 3: Film, they were like, Yeah, that wasn't a fluke. This 412 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 3: Ravens offense is really good. 413 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: We got a big problem on our hands in this 414 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: playoff game too, Like they are good good And basically 415 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: the way Albert wrote it was they were like. 416 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 3: Eh, those struggle emoji, you know. 417 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: And like we gotta hang in, but it's gonna be 418 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: a high scoring game basically. And one of their things 419 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: was basically like they were hoping for bad weather that 420 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: would potentially make ball. 421 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 3: The Ravens offense really, you. 422 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: Know, because of all the RPOs and the ball handling, 423 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: and maybe that's why they didn't do as much readoption stuff. 424 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: It's because it just, you know, you're putting in a 425 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: guy's belly and pulling it and with a slick ball 426 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: that yeah, makes. 427 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: It more turn you more turnover prone. 428 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: That's been one question I think coming out of this 429 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: game is like, why did the Ravens not have a 430 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: game plan more similar to what they had against the Steelers? 431 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: Why was there not much as much readoption stuff? Why 432 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: did they not go heavy with an extra blocker as 433 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: much all that stuff? Like maybe that's part of the reason. 434 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: And the Bills were hoping that the weather would cooperate 435 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: in that regard, which it did. Yeah, just on to 436 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: finish that thought about why did they not do what 437 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: they did against the Steilers? Like I have a hard 438 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: time faulting an offensive game plan in which you had 439 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: zero punts. You know, we can all sit here and 440 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: nitpick every play call and ones that didn't work, I 441 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: think especially you know, the Ravens had to settle for 442 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: a field goal when they were on the two yard 443 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: line and then ultimately had to settle for a field goal. 444 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: You know, I think you can look at those and 445 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: take a close look and say I didn't. 446 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: Really love that one or whatever you can. 447 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna have that in every single game, right And 448 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: Todd Munkan, I'm sure when he goes back and. 449 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: Reviews his games. 450 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: He didn't love every single call, but I think overall, 451 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: hard default an offensive game plan where you don't punt. 452 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little bit surprising to your point, 453 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: Lamar only had six carries in this game, and it 454 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: seemed like, based on what we saw in Pittsburgh, they 455 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: were gonna lean on the running game, the quarterback run. 456 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 1: Now, some of that is just Lamar's decisions too, you know, 457 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's in his hands, is he run 458 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: it or not, either on an r PO or just scrambling. 459 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: But there was less of those those read plays between 460 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: him and Henry that compared to what we saw in Pittsburgh. 461 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: Henry had sixteen carries in the game. But like to 462 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: your point, the Ravens put up four hundred and sixteen 463 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 2: yards of offense. It's not a bad day at the office. 464 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: The turnovers are what are what doomed them, and then 465 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: the key situations, those situations being basically the first and 466 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: goal situation from the two where they had to settle 467 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: for three and then the two failed two point plays 468 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: like those were the key situations that if you're looking 469 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: at the offense and what they where they came up short, 470 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: it's those three things in my mind, and the offense 471 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: did a lot of good things, like if you have 472 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 2: a game where you don't plant, and that's and that 473 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: goes back to kind of the overall theme here of disappointment. 474 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: If you're looking at a game, you're saying you out 475 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: gain them by more than one hundred yards. You never punt. 476 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: Josh Allen throws one hundred and twenty, it has one 477 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty seven passing yards, Like, how do you 478 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: think this game's gonna go? How's this game gonna go? 479 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, this is a win. I feel great 480 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: about that. If you showed me the stats before the 481 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: game and didn't show me the score, I signed up immediately. 482 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 3: Well are we also. 483 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 2: Turnover battles? 484 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 3: Sign up for that? But if I see three to nothing. 485 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: No, And that's how a lot of these games are lost, 486 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: and and and so the Ravens know that, and I 487 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: think that's again that is what is so difficult about 488 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: this result is as there were so many things that 489 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: were done well, but those turnovers ultimately are what swayed 490 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: the game. 491 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and just to go back to to my point, 492 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: I think about the way that Lamar plays the game 493 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: like a this loss as much and and credit to 494 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: Lamar I thought in the postgame press conference and taking 495 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: responsibility himself. You know, he's like, I'm tired of this 496 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: stuff and it starts with me. I'm the leader. I 497 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: can't be turning the ball over and like those are rough. 498 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: But like anybody who pins this loss, and Lamar Jackson 499 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: uses it as a in the narrative of like Lamar 500 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, chokes in big games, basically in the playoffs, 501 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: like you weren't watching the game, like Lamar, I thought, Yeah, 502 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: the ball slipped out of his hands, and he took 503 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: credit for that. 504 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, the interception was that was not good. Right. The 505 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 3: rest of the game for Lamar was I thought. 506 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: Spectacular, Yeah, it's kind of too bad plays. 507 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was too bad plays. 508 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean he had the highest Pro 509 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: Football Focus grade and I didn't need PFF to tell 510 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: me he had a good game. 511 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: Guy had a great game. 512 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: And so like to me, that's another thing that gives 513 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: you hope moving forward. Like I've seen Lamar Jackson and 514 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: even going back to the Kansas City loss last year, 515 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: the way he played against the Steelers, you know, this year, 516 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: like I see Lamar Jackson playing at a high level 517 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, I think he continues to play better 518 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: and better almost. 519 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think his I think his playoff performances have 520 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: just grown and. 521 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 3: Improved, and so like that gives me hope. 522 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: I think that Lamar Jackson is going to win a 523 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: super Bowl when it's all said and done, I think 524 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: that he will have his ring. 525 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: He'll get it. 526 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: When you're banging on the door this many times, the 527 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: hinges start to get a little wobbly and eventually they 528 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: come loose, like it's I honestly think that I think 529 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: he's gonna get his when when you have a a 530 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: As long as the Ravens have Lamar Jackson their team, 531 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: they're going to be competing for super Bowls. Yeah, They're 532 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: gonna be in the playoff chase. And it's I honestly 533 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: am just a believer that it's a matter of time. 534 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: And I can't there's nothing I can put my finger 535 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: on that says this is why. I mean, it's because 536 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: they have the best player on the planet. That's a 537 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: good place to start. And and I just also don't 538 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: think there's anything fundamentally broken. I think that like you 539 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: just get you just eventually get there. 540 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 541 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: I mean that's what Patrick Riccarr basically said at locker 542 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: clean out today. He made the point that he's confident 543 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: that it will happen, and Lamar's too good of a player, 544 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: the offense is too good, and the Ravens are right there, 545 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: and he feels like it's it's only a matter of 546 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: time and and Pat was like, I want to be 547 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: here for that, and so I think that there's truth 548 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: in that. And there's other quarterbacks that have gone through 549 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 2: a similar thing. Peyton Manning took him a while, of course, 550 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 2: and that's probably the best comparison of a Hall of 551 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: Fame quarterback who took him a while. Of course, he 552 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: ended up winning two rings, one Andy won in Denver. 553 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: Could that happen for Lamar? Yeah, I absolutely think it could. 554 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: Except they're going to be in Baltimare, that's the thing, 555 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: or there's more than two. 556 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just think that the toughest part, 557 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 2: and this is what the Ravens know now. It's you 558 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 2: don't go back and you don't start at the end 559 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: of AFC division. Right, got the long road, You got 560 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: the long road that starts when the team comes back 561 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 2: for offseason workouts in April, and you got the long 562 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: road all the way back, and the Ravens are aware 563 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: of that, and that's daunting right now, but I don't 564 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: think that they're scared of that work. And I think 565 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: that they are a team that's built to have sustained 566 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: success with Lamar and the coaching staff, like this team 567 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: is built to have sustained success. And I think that 568 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 2: they will continue to be competitive right there, and I 569 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: it will happen when I don't know, but I think 570 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: they'll be continue to be right there in the thicke 571 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 2: of it. So let's take a quick break and then 572 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: dive into some other topics from locker clean Out day 573 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 2: and also a quick look ahead to this offseason. You're 574 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: listening to the Lounge podcast, We're coming to you from 575 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: the Sea Geeks. We also want to mention our partners 576 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: with DraftKings Sportsbook. They are an official sports betting partner 577 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: of the Baltimore Ravens Draft Kings Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. So, 578 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: in terms of Locker clean Out, we heard from a 579 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: handful of guys. Was there anything in talking with the players, 580 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: anything else that really jumped out to you? And hearing 581 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: from the players now that they had a night to 582 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: sleep on it barely and kind of break down. 583 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 3: What happened the season. 584 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: Well, you know, we talk to his a Flowers and 585 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: I feel for him too. You know, I think that 586 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: two tough postseasons for Za Flowers. You know, obviously the 587 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: the fumble against the Chiefs last year on the goal line. 588 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: You know, I'm sick of goal line problems for the 589 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: Ravens in the playoffs by the way, Yeah, can we 590 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: just golly day, that's a goal line of nightmares? 591 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 3: And so I feel I feel for z A Flowers. 592 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: You know, he just he just couldn't play in this game, 593 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: said he obviously would have had a better chance to 594 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: play against the Chiefs. Would he have made it back 595 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: for that game, who knows. But for him not to 596 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: even get a chance, especially considering what happened last year 597 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: with him in that AFC Championship game, is is a 598 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: tough blow for him. And he said, you know something 599 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: that's going to stick with him this offseason. I expect 600 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be a motivating thing for him. 601 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 602 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: I agree, and it's I did find an interesting He 603 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: didn't say I was one hundred percent coming back. I know, 604 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 2: yeah a chance, So who knows if he would have 605 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 2: been able to play in that in that game or not. 606 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: I think the Ravens missed him, like he's such a 607 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: good player, he's their number one wide receiver. I think 608 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 2: they missed him more in this game certainly. I mean 609 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: they were fine without him and against the Steelers, run run, run. 610 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: When you fall behind, yeah, you want him back on 611 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 2: the field, which is the Ravens had a two score 612 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 2: deficit a halftime in this game. It would have been nice. 613 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 2: But still they were able to do so much offensively 614 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: that it's like, yeah, but he's different. 615 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: He's a pretty different It's a pur Bowl wide receiver 616 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: out there. Like uh, I think that this game kind 617 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: of played out When you and I were talking beforehand, 618 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: you know, how if the Ravens were to lose, how 619 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: would it happened, How would it happened. It kind of 620 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: played out the way we saw it. They stuffed the 621 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: run early. They're super The Bills are very motivated by 622 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: the whole talk all week long about how the Ravens 623 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: are gonna big boil them after what they did to 624 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: the Steelers, and they're gonna go heavy and the Bills 625 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: are too light defensively to stop them, and they're gonna 626 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: run them over and all this stuff. So they're all 627 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: jacked up on that and all the off field talk 628 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: and the MVP stuff and you know, looking like Josh Allen's. 629 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: Gonna get snubbed for that. Like they had a chip 630 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: on their shoulder. 631 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: In multiple storylines right coming into this game, and that 632 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: place was hyped, like those fans were also feeling it. 633 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so. 634 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: Like they come in and with a point to prove, 635 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: especially against the run. 636 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: Stop the run early. You get behind, now you. 637 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: Have to pass or go at least a little more 638 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,239 Speaker 1: pass heavy. And oh, by the way, you don't have 639 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: your pur bowl wide receiver when you're trying to do 640 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: that and you have the elements working against you. Like 641 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: it kind of played out how we thought it could. 642 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ravens. 643 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: You get some calls against you, you know, DPI, you 644 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: get turnovers, like those are the things that can lead 645 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: to what, like we said, I think a better team losing. 646 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm with I'm with you, and feeling just 647 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: a tough for say, he had never missed a game 648 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: until these, until the playoffs, and so for him to 649 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: go down in the regular season finale game that the 650 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 2: Ravens needed to win to win the division at the time, 651 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: but still like they it's just disappointing for him to 652 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: get go down in that fashion and then miss these 653 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: two playoff games. I really feel for him. Uh, But 654 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: that's that's that's a tough blow. That's a tough blow. 655 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 2: In terms of other stuff going into the off season, 656 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: the Ravens do have some big questions, you know, free 657 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: agency wise, which is a part of every offseason. We 658 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: did talk to a couple of depending free agents, Patrickcarr 659 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: being one of them, and he made it clear that 660 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: he wants to stay here. He said, I want to 661 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: retire at raven He's been a great player in this 662 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: offense for a long time Pro Bowl full back. So 663 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: he made it clear that he wants to stay here. 664 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: Some of the other big free agents that the Ravens have, 665 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: Ronnie Stanley is a free agent. That's a big one. 666 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: That's the biggest one, the biggest one. 667 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: Yep. Pat McCarey also is a free agent, starting left 668 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: guard this year. He can do it all, he Pat 669 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: said he hasn't really thought about his future at all. 670 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: Little too raw. It's all fresh right now, So that's 671 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: not something that he's thought about. Ronnie basically said the 672 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: same thing Sunday night after the game that he's not 673 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: thought about his future yet either. But this offensive line 674 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: I think ended up being a pretty good strength of 675 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: this team. So I think that there's a way to 676 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: keep those two guys. The Ravens would like to have 677 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: both them back. Pat and Pat McCarey, and and Patt 678 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 2: and Ronnie key blockers in this offense. I think if 679 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: the Ravens could bring back all three of those guys, 680 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: I think they certainly would would want to do that. 681 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: And by the way, we will do our full offseason blueprint. 682 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 2: We won't go through all of that right now, but 683 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: we'll dive into that in the coming days and weeks. 684 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: Left tackle is the biggest question, and what you do 685 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: with Ronnie Stanley. You know, he played at a very 686 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: high level. Uh you know, was a Pro Bowl alternate, 687 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: uh and so, and left tackles aren't cheap, and so 688 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, in the Kenny Kenny duplicate, Kenny play at 689 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: that high level. You know, rewind a year ago and 690 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: we're all saying, you know, Ronnie's been really injured and 691 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: Kenny Kenny get back to that that form. 692 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 3: Well, he showed he can. Can he stay at that form? 693 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 3: And so that's the question. I think the Ravens would 694 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: love to have him back, but what's it going to cost? 695 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 1: And then Pat McCarey, I thought, had a great season, 696 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: really proved he can be a full time start. 697 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: Started seventeen games. Credit to him. 698 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: And you know, whether he comes back and competes again, 699 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: I would expect, you know, it's to be a competition 700 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: for a starting spot or is the sixth off offensive lineman. 701 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: I think that the Ravens would love to retain him. 702 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: He's just he's been an invaluable Swiss Army knife. You know, 703 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: he's played it, started at every position on the line. 704 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: And then uh yeah, pat Riccard is just he's just 705 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: a Raven. 706 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he said he wants to retire Raven. 707 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 3: I'm down with that. Yeah, He's that guy. 708 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: Is a tone center for this offense to me, you know. 709 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: And then you got Brandon Stevens is another key player, 710 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: Leek Harrison. You have some guys on the defensive side 711 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: of the ball as well. I think it'll be interesting 712 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: to see what happens with Brandon Stevens and even Marlon Humphrey. 713 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey after the game talked about how, you know, 714 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: it's not a foregone conclusion for him that that he's 715 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: definitely back. I thought he had a fantastic season, Pro 716 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: Bowl year, led them in interceptions, but he very much 717 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: cast out on his own future. 718 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: He is under contract. 719 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: He is under contract, but he was pretty clear, yeah 720 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: that it was basically it was almost a one year deal, 721 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, in the Ravens anyway, he said it himself, 722 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: and so we'll see what happens there. But the biggest 723 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: one to me in the immediate future is Todd Munky 724 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: and he has head coaching interviews. The Jaguars seem, you know, 725 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: very interested in his services among other teams. Yeah, but 726 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: if the Ravens were to lose Todd Monk and that 727 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: would be a tough blow to me. 728 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been great. This offense has been in historic 729 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: this year and the last two years. I mean, this 730 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: has been the best Ravens offense that we've ever seen. 731 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,239 Speaker 2: This was a historic offense. Lamar is playing at the 732 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: best level of his career. He won an MVP last year. 733 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 2: He is the favorite to win the MVP again this year, 734 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: and so since Todd's been here, this offense has been 735 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: lights out. I think it would be awesome if he's 736 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: he says here, but when you have great offenses, other 737 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 2: teams come knocking. And that's what's happening. He got some 738 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: head coaching interviews last year. He's got him again this year. 739 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: And if coaches have an opportunity to become head coaches, 740 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: you can't fault them for that. Of course, that's great, 741 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: that's a great opportunity for them. Do you think the Ravens, 742 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 2: of course would want to keep him. You know, no 743 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,959 Speaker 2: doubt about that. But we're all kind of just waiting 744 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: to see where that thing, where that lands. 745 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: It's one of those scenarios where, you know, we were 746 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: talking to players in the locker clean out and you 747 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: talk about, hey, what was the influence of Todd monk 748 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: and on this offense and how tough would it be 749 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: to lose him in there? Ah, you know, maybe he 750 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: had a little thing or yeah to do with it, 751 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: but yeah, you probably don't want them, Yeah, exactly exactly 752 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: one of those situations, exactly exactly. 753 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: So we'll see where that lands. That as those coaching 754 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: searches continue and kind of ramp up here over the 755 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 2: course in the next few days. Could have some clarity 756 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: on that in the near term future. 757 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: I thought it was also interesting to hear from a 758 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: couple of the Ravens rookies. You know, we talked to 759 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins and Roger Rose and Garten and what were 760 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: their lessons learned from year one? And I thought both 761 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: had very good rookie seasons. Good drafts, really yeah, very 762 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: good draft strong rookie seasons for the Ravens first two picks. 763 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: And you know, Nate Wiggins here he is in rookie season, 764 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: late in the year, playoffs, he's playing eighty percent of 765 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: the snaps and and I thought you saw his maturation 766 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: from the beginning of the year when he was still 767 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: a little grabby, a little too handsy and whatnot. 768 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 3: And over the course of the year year. 769 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: People weren't people weren't picking on him much, you know, 770 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean, George Pickins scored that ridiculous touchdown on the playoffs, 771 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: but he had a very strong game against the Bills, 772 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: and he talked about how he's added weight and that's 773 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 1: really his focus to this offseason is to get even 774 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: stronger because that was the not coming in. 775 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 3: I mean, he's just rail thin guy has all the. 776 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: Speed and the length and all those kind of other 777 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: measurables and intangibles. 778 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 3: Also, I was impressed just by his work. 779 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: I think I practiced every day, didn't miss practice, like 780 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: hard worker. I liked that he was in the community. 781 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: I just thought it was a successful rookie year for him. 782 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good. He proved that he could be 783 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: a starting caliber corner and I think a sky highest 784 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 2: ceiling for him. 785 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 3: Yep. 786 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: And if he gets even stronger and more physically just developed, 787 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: which is often the big jump where guys make that 788 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 1: jump between year one and two. 789 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 2: I also don't think like he even said this too. 790 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, when I got drafted, everyone was saying 791 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 2: I was gonna get pushed around because I was too small. 792 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: Like he answered that question. He wasn't afraid to come 793 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 2: up and hit like he was a physical player, even 794 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 2: though he's one hundred and seventy pounds. 795 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 3: But he wasn't. 796 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: He said he was a bucks sixty at Clemson, and 797 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: he is playing at about a buck seventy six. So 798 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: he put on sixteen pounds over the course of the season, 799 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: which is pretty darn good. 800 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just don't I didn't. I didn't get 801 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: the sense of him out there, like he wasn't just 802 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 2: getting pushed around by in the black, he wasn't afraid 803 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 2: to come up there and make plays in the run game. 804 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 2: I thought it was a great rookie season from Nate. 805 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 2: And I think going in the next year, you know, 806 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 2: just you got your starting quarterback, a starting quarterback right 807 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 2: there with Nate Wakens Like, there's no doubt about that. 808 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 2: I agree, And so that's a good place to start 809 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 2: when you're talking about him going into his second year, 810 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: and that Roger Rosegarden too. You got to start in him, 811 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 2: no doubt about it. He he He came on strong, really, 812 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 2: he came on really strong over the course of the year, 813 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 2: had some big time matchups against premiere players, premier pass 814 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 2: rushers like Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt and like really 815 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: top end players, and he held his own. And so 816 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 2: I think that the Ravens were in a good spot 817 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 2: there with him on their offensive line. 818 00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 3: Yep. 819 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: And so I think there obviously will be a lot 820 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: of questions to talk about over the course of this 821 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: off season, and we're going to talk about some of 822 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: the biggest questions, some of the biggest decisions that need 823 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: to be made, some of the biggest needs going into 824 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: the off season as we kind of shape the future 825 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: and what what this off season is going to look 826 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: for look like for the Ravens. 827 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 3: But thank you again for listening. 828 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: As always, you can reach us at the lounge at 829 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: ravenst nfl dot net. Thank you for the emails after 830 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: the loss. 831 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 3: We'll get some of those. Yeah, we'll get some. They 832 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 3: kind of helped cheer us up to some degree. We 833 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 3: appreciate it. Yeah, and we will be back with you 834 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 3: later this week.