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Speaker 1: I'm Amy Ryan and I played Holly Flax on The Office. Hello. Hello, everyone,
Speaker 1: welcome to another installment of the Office Deep Dive. I
Speaker 1: am your host Brian bond Gartner. I hope you're doing
Speaker 1: very well today, and if you're not well, I think
Speaker 1: I'm about to change that because my guest on the
Speaker 1: podcast today is the truly extraordinary Amy Ryan. Now I
Speaker 1: have to come clean about something here. Okay. When Amy
Speaker 1: Ryan showed up on the set of the Office for
Speaker 1: the first time. I freaked out a little bit because
Speaker 1: I am a huge Amy Ryan fan. If you have
Speaker 1: not seen her work prior to the Office, you should
Speaker 1: Season two of The Wire Genius. Her Oscar nominated performance
Speaker 1: in Gone, Baby, Gone is so heartbreaking and amazing. Now.
Speaker 1: I interviewed Amy in New York right after my interview
Speaker 1: with Paul Feig, and partly because we live on opposite coasts,
Speaker 1: I had not seen Amy in such a long time,
Speaker 1: many years in fact, and immediately, boom, I'm just so
Speaker 1: happy to see her again. I have this special place
Speaker 1: in my heart for Amy, and what's amazing to me
Speaker 1: is that so many people have a special place in
Speaker 1: their heart for Amy, even though she only appeared in
Speaker 1: fifteen of our two hundred plus episodes. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could imagine a world where people were not so fond
Speaker 1: of Amy and the character she played, because basically, she's
Speaker 1: the reason that Michael Scott left the Office right. But
Speaker 1: Amy was so undeniably perfect and wonderful as Holly that
Speaker 1: you just couldn't help falling in love with her. Plus,
Speaker 1: she and I, for better or worse, we are linked
Speaker 1: together forever because of the very special Kevin Holly storyline,
Speaker 1: which well you'll hear us get into shortly anyway, am
Speaker 1: I am? I gushing, I'm gushing. I can't help it,
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. Here she is Amy, Ryan, Bubble and Squeak.
Speaker 1: I love it, Bubble and squeak on Bubble and Squeaker.
Speaker 1: Cook get every month lift over from the night before.
Speaker 1: So I was here and we were thank you anything
Speaker 1: else either, I'm okay, thank you, masus. What's on the list?
Speaker 1: There's nothing but beverages on this table. I don't know, Hidrake,
Speaker 1: I'm caffeinating. I was here very briefly. I saw John. Um,
Speaker 1: they let me get rid of these Paul things, just
Speaker 1: get rid of it. And then yeah, Paul was I
Speaker 1: think he's doing a pilot and then a movie back
Speaker 1: to back. So he was like, you can come through
Speaker 1: New York or else you in May or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll come back. That's great. Yes, how are you good?
Speaker 1: Really good? Yeah? Um? All right, so before you were cast,
Speaker 1: did you watch the show? So my my history of
Speaker 1: the Office started with my neighbor Noline Burke, who came
Speaker 1: home from Ireland visiting her family. With the British series.
Speaker 1: She said, this is a really funny show. You have
Speaker 1: to watch it, and she had, you know, like the
Speaker 1: DVD pal or whatever. So I was full on in
Speaker 1: convert from the Ricky Gervais series. Then I heard they
Speaker 1: were making an American version, and I thought that was
Speaker 1: just blasphemous. Why why can't they just import the show?
Speaker 1: Why do we import our shows or export our shows there?
Speaker 1: But we Americans need to remake something that's perfect, And
Speaker 1: I thought it was the worst idea ever. And then
Speaker 1: I started seeing the cast assembled. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is going to be funny, and it was. And
Speaker 1: I watched the American version happily. Um, and then I thought,
Speaker 1: like I I enjoy comedy. I never I'm not good
Speaker 1: at the four camera sitcom thing. I can't land the
Speaker 1: boom boom the whatever. But I when I saw The Office,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is character based comedy. This
Speaker 1: is not rhythm. I mean there are some rhythms and
Speaker 1: of course, but like it's not so dependent on that
Speaker 1: joke and then the alternative punchline for that joke that
Speaker 1: all the writers stand around writing and let me get it,
Speaker 1: that is like too stressful for me. So anyway, the Office,
Speaker 1: I felt like, Okay, here's the world I could fit
Speaker 1: into in terms of building a character. And there, you know,
Speaker 1: everything is life for death for them. So what was
Speaker 1: the process of you being cast on the show? Did
Speaker 1: they approached you to come in? That was the year
Speaker 1: I was nominated for h an Oscar for Gone, Baby Gone,
Speaker 1: And I remember saying to my agent, half joking but
Speaker 1: not really. I was like, you know, if we have
Speaker 1: any pull right now, want to cash it in on
Speaker 1: the office. I had not heard that, yeah, and he's like, okay.
Speaker 1: And apparently simultaneously, Paul Lieberstein, who I had known from
Speaker 1: sitcom many many years earlier, called The Naked Truth that
Speaker 1: he was writing on knew of me but also as
Speaker 1: a fan of The Wire, and so I think I'm
Speaker 1: not sure who called first, but I think both were
Speaker 1: like there was a coincidence of timing that in that case.
Speaker 1: So so I showed up, what are you doing here? Why? Anyway,
Speaker 1: I I felt very very confident in my decision that
Speaker 1: this is where I wanted to be next because a
Speaker 1: lot of all, you know, a lot of the opportunities
Speaker 1: as well, like there's not much imagination once you maybe
Speaker 1: poked through with a role you know, as you may
Speaker 1: know from your own experience, like people like, great, we
Speaker 1: have this new role for you, and she's a drug
Speaker 1: addicted mother. There you like, you mean like the one
Speaker 1: I just played. Okay, that doesn't sound like so much
Speaker 1: fun for a while, playing someone intelligent was not coming
Speaker 1: to me surprisingly, isn't that frustrating? So so, but making
Speaker 1: those hard right turns and giving other people whiplash is
Speaker 1: what I was after, Like it's so certainly like going
Speaker 1: to a comedy and just being well groomed in a role,
Speaker 1: you know, So I was. I was really grateful for
Speaker 1: that that they thought it was a good idea too.
Speaker 1: So when you were cast, did you at that moment
Speaker 1: have any idea of where it was going to go? No,
Speaker 1: But I I understood that I was there on a
Speaker 1: trial basis. I think it was the last episode, like
Speaker 1: Goodbye Toby. I came in and I think it was
Speaker 1: a pretty fancy audition basically like having not read for
Speaker 1: the role, like, okay, if this doesn't work out, because
Speaker 1: they said, like, you know, maybe might might be love
Speaker 1: interest from Michael Scott, We're not sure, but you know,
Speaker 1: we still have some ideas. But yet again there was
Speaker 1: the British version to kind of go By, and there
Speaker 1: was that character I forget her name, but where he
Speaker 1: finally found someone that the affection was mutual. But then
Speaker 1: I believe that about that part is I think where
Speaker 1: it stopped, like the comparison, so I knew it was
Speaker 1: a little up in the air and depended on how
Speaker 1: well I did. I mean, it felt very welcome by
Speaker 1: all you guys. But there is a weird thing about
Speaker 1: being a fan of a show and then being employed
Speaker 1: by that show. I remember doing it, like one episode
Speaker 1: of e Er back in the day, like shocked that
Speaker 1: the hallway was so little that they did all that
Speaker 1: choreography of like running through with gurneys and such, and
Speaker 1: you know, the wire was the same thing, like being
Speaker 1: a big fan of the show and then joining the
Speaker 1: company in the second season. It's it takes a minute
Speaker 1: to just like calm down right, No, no, Well, being
Speaker 1: a guest star is a very difficult thing. You're the
Speaker 1: transfer student from another school. Totally, yeah, well, who's going
Speaker 1: to sit with me at lunch? Were you were? You?
Speaker 1: Were you nervous when you walked onto set the first time.
Speaker 1: I was nervous. I can tell because my head is
Speaker 1: tilted down like this, and because because my daughter just
Speaker 1: watched that episode, and so having the hindsight, like I
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, like you're not like standing up straight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just that little till to the head, like maybe no
Speaker 1: one will notice if I mess up. And then I
Speaker 1: was And then you know, a lot of that quickly
Speaker 1: subsided because the nature of being on the offices, you
Speaker 1: are a main character and an extra all in one. Right.
Speaker 1: You are in the background every scene if you don't
Speaker 1: have spoken lines. And I remember being um positioned I
Speaker 1: one of the low file cabinets and pretending to go
Speaker 1: through papers and kind of shock is all that those
Speaker 1: papers were like old medical records. Yeah, I thought, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is somebody's it's alcial security number, this
Speaker 1: is somebody's medical history. This is just shocked. Anyway, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Your chemistry with Steve from the beginning is amazing. Did
Speaker 1: you guys have a discussion. I mean, you were a
Speaker 1: fan of the show, so you knew his character very well.
Speaker 1: But how much of that was a discussion about, you know,
Speaker 1: potentially Holly being the female version of him or is
Speaker 1: that how it was described or no, um, it wasn't
Speaker 1: described that way, but you know, just in the writing,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was so generous of the writers too
Speaker 1: offer me those tidbits, whether it was like rapping with
Speaker 1: him or you know, the Yoda saying I clearly they're
Speaker 1: saying she is of like kinfolk and then just as
Speaker 1: an actors like, well, I can't do you know Steve's
Speaker 1: bit like I can't, and even if I tried, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: But like, how do you make it the same but different?
Speaker 1: You know? Um? And I just I just love that idea,
Speaker 1: that it's a lid for every pot, you know. I
Speaker 1: I don't know if I really want to admit this.
Speaker 1: But after however, many years playing different parts and theater
Speaker 1: and other TV and film, I get a call from
Speaker 1: my high school boyfriend. He's like, well, I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you're finally playing yourself. Yeah, and I can't really deny that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. My my like nerdy, geeky side was on
Speaker 1: the rise. Yeah. So drug adult, single mother. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's part of that's that's the other side of my personality.
Speaker 1: I like to keep it balanced, don't pigeonhole me. You
Speaker 1: had worked with Steve before, very briefly, yeah, or um? So,
Speaker 1: Steve started a film called And in Real Life, and PETERR.
Speaker 1: Hedges wrote and directed. Peter's an old friend of mine
Speaker 1: and I have a really teeny tiny part in there,
Speaker 1: playing his sister in law. It's a big extended family
Speaker 1: and Peter got together a bunch of his New York
Speaker 1: actor friends. We all were up in Rhode Island for
Speaker 1: I don't know, six eight weeks or so. Anyway, the
Speaker 1: whole company was very close and that's where that's where
Speaker 1: I met Steve Um, you know, just chit chatting. We
Speaker 1: really didn't have any scenes together and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't know. I got asked that
Speaker 1: a lot about what's the chemistry with Steve, And I
Speaker 1: have to say, I have to give him credit for
Speaker 1: being the most grounded, down to earth creative genius that
Speaker 1: um you can dream of, because he's got a really
Speaker 1: good thing going on. And he he isn't subliminally subliminally
Speaker 1: like I can I want to change that work as
Speaker 1: who can say subliminally. He he is in no way
Speaker 1: saying back up, let me do my thing. I've experienced
Speaker 1: that on sets with other actors, like they're they're not
Speaker 1: even really looking at you or you know, they can
Speaker 1: do it all. They don't even need you off camera
Speaker 1: for their close up. But Steve, and I guess that's
Speaker 1: his early days, you know, improv being with a group.
Speaker 1: He's so generous, and I always thought it was weird.
Speaker 1: He'd be like the first one to be like that's
Speaker 1: so funny. He'd tell everyone like how funny they were,
Speaker 1: you know, and you just like, he's just your shoulders
Speaker 1: dropped a little bit. You're like a little more relaxed
Speaker 1: each time. But I don't know. I did say to
Speaker 1: him one time, I said, I know this sounds really flaky,
Speaker 1: but um, I really feel like I've known you before
Speaker 1: in my life, and he said, I feel the same.
Speaker 1: So I think it was just about trust and just
Speaker 1: having fun. Like so you were there and then you left.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because, you know, you talk about Jim
Speaker 1: and Pam, their relationship played just very purely, and then
Speaker 1: all of Michael's relations and ships played essentially totally for comedy,
Speaker 1: at least until Holly, you know, like the Carol the
Speaker 1: real estate agent and Jan that was like so preposterous
Speaker 1: and terrible. But I think for me, even though you
Speaker 1: guys were so close and that chemistry was there in
Speaker 1: my head, you left and it went away, like it
Speaker 1: went away. And for some reason the Herpies episode where
Speaker 1: he calls you, I suddenly went, oh, this is it,
Speaker 1: Like this is this is where they're going. Where were
Speaker 1: you in terms of the discussion about you coming back
Speaker 1: again or did you say nowhere No, we left it
Speaker 1: open and I'd love to come. But for me, it
Speaker 1: was also about location. I live in New York and
Speaker 1: I love being in New York, so I didn't want
Speaker 1: to relocate to Los Angeles, but I was happy to
Speaker 1: come and go. And then also in that time, then
Speaker 1: I was pregnant and had my daughter, Georgia, So so
Speaker 1: there was a big chunk off while that was happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where do you feel like Michael's search for the American dream?
Speaker 1: You know, happiness, success, family? You know that that that's
Speaker 1: all he's looking for, and then nobody will give it
Speaker 1: to him except whit that he doesn't want anything but
Speaker 1: that it becomes the people that are in this office
Speaker 1: until until you come along. How do you feel like
Speaker 1: that transition for him his character happened or how did
Speaker 1: you see it? Well? I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: speak so clearly about Michael in that way, but um,
Speaker 1: I just feel like, maybe, you know, Michael just became
Speaker 1: just a happier person, and right, you know, he's still crazy,
Speaker 1: That's what I still like. Like he still makes really
Speaker 1: bad choices along the way and things that make other
Speaker 1: people cringe. Like it's not like suddenly Holly comes and
Speaker 1: spreads this Jack Pixie dust on him, and he's like
Speaker 1: a normal person. But she's got a little of that too,
Speaker 1: So it's it's permissible in their world. Um. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm stopped or asked questions, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's someone on the street or I just I'm
Speaker 1: always amazed at how much like they root for a
Speaker 1: guy they don't like, and they're so glad he met me.
Speaker 1: You know that ort home and I love that. That's
Speaker 1: all in conflict with each other. Um So what does
Speaker 1: what does Holly mean from Michael? I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: guy who's just so so desperate to have a win
Speaker 1: somewhere in his life or to be that guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he poses at that for so long and then here's
Speaker 1: someone he doesn't have to work that hard with for
Speaker 1: the I think the first time we see him, or
Speaker 1: that we've known him rather and I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: that it's it's all gonna be okay. If there's one
Speaker 1: phrase to it, like, you know, we all matter the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we all matter. There's there is
Speaker 1: someone for you, and if you don't feel good along
Speaker 1: the way, then you're just with the wrong person. And
Speaker 1: maybe that sounds easier said than don it there's someone
Speaker 1: single alone being Yeah, you know, thanks thanks for that
Speaker 1: adviceing me Ryan, you suck like I think I think
Speaker 1: there's um. I guess progress. It's the word he's gotten
Speaker 1: out of his own way. Yeah, but I think that
Speaker 1: in the show. On the show, all of the characters,
Speaker 1: you bring up a really interesting point that people haven't
Speaker 1: talked to you so much, but so much is about
Speaker 1: just wanting to win one just having that one success,
Speaker 1: be it in work or in life or in love
Speaker 1: or whatever. And Holly really is that for him? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he didn't have to work that hard for it.
Speaker 1: I mean she was in as fast as he was
Speaker 1: pretty much. So you know that's that's also fun to
Speaker 1: see him get knocked back a bit, right, He can
Speaker 1: more be himself. Isn't to stalk a woman to date her?
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to pose? Yeah, And then of course
Speaker 1: we all feared his viewers if you say, like, what
Speaker 1: does this mean for the show? Is he leaving the
Speaker 1: show with it? What? What? No? No? What's back up?
Speaker 1: Back up? Back upright? You know that proposal when I
Speaker 1: had to walk down the line of everybody holding candles.
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop crying. I thought it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where it's like to tell meself, like this
Speaker 1: isn't real. But there's something about everybody's face, like looking
Speaker 1: so lovingly and they can like it was such a
Speaker 1: beautiful setting. But I had to I had to tell myself, like,
Speaker 1: these are actors. You're not getting married, but it's like
Speaker 1: any wedding, Like, oh, it makes me cry. I've often
Speaker 1: I've often said there was something about that that scene
Speaker 1: that water comes, you know, the sprinklers coming down, that um,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's so sort of beautiful and moving
Speaker 1: to me. I Steve directed that episode and I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, the water being such a big effect and
Speaker 1: that first take, which is what's in the show because
Speaker 1: it was shocking and it was cold and it was
Speaker 1: goofy and it wasn't cinematic. And I don't know who,
Speaker 1: but you know, on the other side of the monitors
Speaker 1: like we have to go again, and Steve got up
Speaker 1: and he remember he fought for it. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: this is better. It's not it's not slick, it's not cool.
Speaker 1: It's they look terrible, but it's funny, you know. And
Speaker 1: I was so glad too reasons because I agreed with
Speaker 1: him and the others, like I really didn't want to
Speaker 1: get wet again because that water was so cold. It
Speaker 1: was such a shock when it opened up. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and I just remember that, um that the it's how
Speaker 1: life is right, like everything is not. It's not the
Speaker 1: perfect moment that you that you assume that it's going
Speaker 1: to be and even though it is this beautiful moment
Speaker 1: with the candles, like there's something that's going to screw
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, but that's the life I prefer to
Speaker 1: live in. Like weird is good to me. Odd is
Speaker 1: really good to me. You know, that's what makes me
Speaker 1: laugh through life that just things slightly off kilter. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the moment that always like anytime I see it,
Speaker 1: and I felt it as a human being in the
Speaker 1: moment that it happened when he says I'm going to Colorado,
Speaker 1: and Kevin says, all of us right, because with Michael,
Speaker 1: we all must go right, because that's how to us.
Speaker 1: Michael is the office that Yeah, but because of you there,
Speaker 1: there's that transition there, you know. I think when you
Speaker 1: find true love and nothing else matters. So like his
Speaker 1: old in a ways aren't necessary, but you know, eventually
Speaker 1: he finds his true family. Yeah that's me. Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 1: here's a question that I've been asking everybody, Um, not everyone.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it until halfway three oil pa. Um.
Speaker 1: When Michael Scott left to go be with you, there
Speaker 1: was obviously a hole on the show, And the question
Speaker 1: is what do you feel like was the bigger loss,
Speaker 1: Steve Carrell or Michael Scott? Well, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Be your question? If there you mean if Michael, Well,
Speaker 1: that Steve was you know, as you mentioned before, he
Speaker 1: is just such a good and loving person and really
Speaker 1: was the head of the ship. Yeah. Right in terms
Speaker 1: of the whole cast, Like when he left, don't I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know this, we retired his jersey,
Speaker 1: like literally the number one on the call sheet did
Speaker 1: not exist he left. He certainly set the right energy
Speaker 1: of being the lead of the show. I feel like
Speaker 1: he brought out the best in everybody because he's so
Speaker 1: kind and he's so generous, and I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: I'll use myself an example. One morning because we had
Speaker 1: those early morning makeup sessions like four report in the
Speaker 1: morning and uh, Steve said, um, He's like, how are you?
Speaker 1: I said, I'm tired, you know, got up like fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes before the alarm and I drove over the hill
Speaker 1: and I think a Starbucks wasn't open. He goes, oh, poor,
Speaker 1: you like being paid a lot of money. They come
Speaker 1: beyond a hit show. And I was like, oh, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you guys don't complain out in l a in New York.
Speaker 1: This is our good morning check. But you know, he
Speaker 1: was being playful obviously, but it was like a reminder
Speaker 1: of like this tube will pass, and you know remember
Speaker 1: that because you might not have it so good one day. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: you you came in ultimately to be a love interest
Speaker 1: for Michael, But I have to tell you the story
Speaker 1: relined between you and I. On the show. Um gets
Speaker 1: talked about a lot, and I think in the history
Speaker 1: of table reads that we had on the show, it
Speaker 1: was never more laughed because of how long that joke.
Speaker 1: And then he used to set up And you know
Speaker 1: when I get asked now about moments in the entire
Speaker 1: show where I could not stop laughing, was Hugh and
Speaker 1: the button is literally if you with the change, Nickel,
Speaker 1: this is this is a button. And there was something
Speaker 1: about the sweetness on your face and you just very
Speaker 1: genuinely explaining to Kevin that this was a button. Made
Speaker 1: me smile. Every single time, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't do it, and they're right there with the cam
Speaker 1: like I can't do it, and basically then just turned
Speaker 1: it into a grin to say I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bang you. But that Yeah, do you think that story
Speaker 1: could play now? I mean, there's so much of The
Speaker 1: Office that I don't know if it could play now. Um,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. So I just happen to watch that episode
Speaker 1: because my ten year old daughter and all her friends
Speaker 1: at school are really into the Office and my daughter
Speaker 1: is a little behind the rest of her friends because
Speaker 1: I think it's weird for her. But but anyway, so
Speaker 1: watching my husband Eric and I like, we're just out
Speaker 1: of her eyeline. But here comes your line like I'm
Speaker 1: totally going to bang her, and you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: we look at each other, like then you look over
Speaker 1: at her face. Does she registered that, you know? No,
Speaker 1: because somehow it's going right over their head, I think,
Speaker 1: or she maybe she doesn't you know? Um, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I hope a lot of
Speaker 1: it still plays because I think it's well intentioned. I
Speaker 1: don't think we were cruel statistic ball on this show.
Speaker 1: I mean, but the stuff that doesn't play. It's interesting
Speaker 1: to think about as we all think we're like well intentioned,
Speaker 1: liberal minded, caring people, and the stuff that we didn't
Speaker 1: pay attention to. And so you know, you're asking me,
Speaker 1: is it okay to make fun of a person who
Speaker 1: we think is mentally handicapped? Probably not, but it was
Speaker 1: really funny then so what do we do with it? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know where that lives. Um, I
Speaker 1: certainly don't want to offend anybody. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the joke is upon the person who made the mistake,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's how could Holly
Speaker 1: be that thick or or that well, you know, it's
Speaker 1: really that it's Dwight who But I'm I'm in the
Speaker 1: middle there of not using my own good judgment or
Speaker 1: maybe asking for a second opinion or you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: we all we're all judgmental. We say we don't, but
Speaker 1: we judge everybody that walks down the block, you know,
Speaker 1: in our heads, in a little private tapes, in our
Speaker 1: um why do you think? I mean, part of why
Speaker 1: we're doing this exploration is we haven't filmed anything in
Speaker 1: six years, and essentially, by almost any measure, now The
Speaker 1: Office is the most watched show on television. Why well,
Speaker 1: I think I think these are relatable characters. And first
Speaker 1: of all, it's funny, so that's what's holding up through time.
Speaker 1: The writing is funny, and it's a really great uh
Speaker 1: ensemble of actors and uh what you know, you look
Speaker 1: back at what what old shows like I Love Lucy
Speaker 1: still Hands holds up you know. Um, it's funny and
Speaker 1: it's not about like, um pop call ulture, you know,
Speaker 1: which obviously fades away. We don't understand the references over time,
Speaker 1: we forget them and such. I think also the culture
Speaker 1: of binge watching. It's you know, it's written well for that.
Speaker 1: It's written well for that, you know. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I have friends who tell me their kids watch it
Speaker 1: as really like also a soothing effect if they're having
Speaker 1: a bad day, they go and they pop in the
Speaker 1: office and it lifts them. Right. Why do you think
Speaker 1: that is? It's about paper salesman? Right? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's that you know, joy we get in knowing like, well,
Speaker 1: at least my life isn't that. It's interesting though, the
Speaker 1: fact that we are employees at a paper company that
Speaker 1: actually make a living doing one job with a specific
Speaker 1: small because now if you're selling paper, you're working at
Speaker 1: Staples or your chip getting it from Amazon or whatever
Speaker 1: like that. That that's sort of like office community. That
Speaker 1: that group. Whether you like the people or don't like
Speaker 1: the people, it's still a community. Well maybe that's it's
Speaker 1: also community is the key word. Maybe not so much
Speaker 1: like I could be in a job for the next
Speaker 1: thirty years and get my pension. I don't know if
Speaker 1: people are really dreaming about that, but I think you're right.
Speaker 1: A community and this is such a world where everyone
Speaker 1: is expressing their emogens, emogens, emotion, emotions with emojis and um,
Speaker 1: you know, connecting with people, even misconnecting, you know, like
Speaker 1: the conflict is probably interesting and fun and enviewable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you I mean you talked about Paul being a
Speaker 1: fan of yours on the Wire. I mean, it cannot
Speaker 1: come as a surprise that everyone who was on set
Speaker 1: was such a huge fan of yours and the Wire
Speaker 1: and the fact that seems like the whole ensemble for
Speaker 1: the Wire it's not going on, it's one point or other.
Speaker 1: It was like, how can we think of a way
Speaker 1: to go? Do we do? We do? We need to
Speaker 1: go to the docks. Is there docks near scraping Away? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: but anyway, I uh yeah, thanks for coming and talking
Speaker 1: to me. My pleasure. It's so good to see you again.
Speaker 1: It's so good to see you. Yeah. I will tell you.
Speaker 1: You know, I go to college campuses and I'll talk
Speaker 1: and and I know that all people want is they
Speaker 1: want they want to hear it, they want to hear Kevin. Yes.
Speaker 1: And just so you know, it almost always comes out
Speaker 1: as I'm totally going to bang Holly. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and six episodes, two hundred and six episodes. No,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying that's the line. Maybe maybe you'll update
Speaker 1: it for this generation and you'll say, with her permissions,
Speaker 1: But it's funny that that is, uh, that's always the line. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Well, there you have it. Thank
Speaker 1: you Amy so much for coming in to sit down
Speaker 1: with me. Luckily, I am pretty sure I do not
Speaker 1: need Amy's permission to say that was one of the
Speaker 1: most delightful half hours of my life. That's what she said. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I hope you all feel the same way. Thank you
Speaker 1: all for listening. Have a wonderful week, and I will
Speaker 1: see you next time for another episode of The Office
Speaker 1: Deep Dive. The Office Deep Dive is hosted and executive
Speaker 1: produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley.
Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer, our producer is Adam Massias,
Speaker 1: our associate producer is Emily Carr, and our assistant editor
Speaker 1: is Diego Tapia. My main man in the booth is
Speaker 1: Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by
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