WEBVTT - Amy Ryan 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:05.440 The art world. It is essentially a money laundering business. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:08.680 The best fakes are still hanging on people's walls. You know, 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:12.520 they don't even know or suspect that their fakes. I'm 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:17.000 Alec Baldwin and this is a podcast about deception, greed 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.680 and forgery in the art world. I just walked in 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:25.759 and saw this great red painting presuming to be a Rothko. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.120 Of course, art forgeries only happen because there's money to 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.760 be made, a lot of money. I'm listening to how 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.640 what they're paying for these things. It was an incredible 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:42.960 amounts of money. You knew the painting was fake. 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I'm here to tell 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.400 you about my brand new podcast, de Relipa at your service. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.279 I'll be sitting down with the world's most inspiring minds 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.720 to uncover what makes them tick and what they've learned 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.480 from the obstacles life has thrown at them, including Sir 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.000 Elton John. After a lot of upsets, a lot of disappointments, 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.240 a lot of betrayals, It's turned out to be the 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.480 most wonderful life right now that I've could ever imagined. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.280 Listen to do Relief at your Service on the I 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.200 Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:15.359 I'm Amy Ryan and I played Holly Flax on The Office. Hello. Hello, everyone, 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:21.000 welcome to another installment of the Office Deep Dive. I 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.200 am your host Brian bond Gartner. I hope you're doing 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:29.280 very well today, and if you're not well, I think 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.880 I'm about to change that because my guest on the 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:40.079 podcast today is the truly extraordinary Amy Ryan. Now I 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:45.160 have to come clean about something here. Okay. When Amy 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.240 Ryan showed up on the set of the Office for 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.600 the first time. I freaked out a little bit because 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.240 I am a huge Amy Ryan fan. If you have 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.480 not seen her work prior to the Office, you should 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:05.520 Season two of The Wire Genius. Her Oscar nominated performance 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:13.040 in Gone, Baby, Gone is so heartbreaking and amazing. Now. 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:17.160 I interviewed Amy in New York right after my interview 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.519 with Paul Feig, and partly because we live on opposite coasts, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.560 I had not seen Amy in such a long time, 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:29.520 many years in fact, and immediately, boom, I'm just so 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.960 happy to see her again. I have this special place 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.840 in my heart for Amy, and what's amazing to me 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.840 is that so many people have a special place in 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.520 their heart for Amy, even though she only appeared in 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:50.080 fifteen of our two hundred plus episodes. I mean, I 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.280 could imagine a world where people were not so fond 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.280 of Amy and the character she played, because basically, she's 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:00.360 the reason that Michael Scott left the Office right. But 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:06.520 Amy was so undeniably perfect and wonderful as Holly that 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.600 you just couldn't help falling in love with her. Plus, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.360 she and I, for better or worse, we are linked 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:20.080 together forever because of the very special Kevin Holly storyline, 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.560 which well you'll hear us get into shortly anyway, am 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.480 I am? I gushing, I'm gushing. I can't help it, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:36.480 Ladies and gentlemen. Here she is Amy, Ryan, Bubble and Squeak. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:43.240 I love it, Bubble and squeak on Bubble and Squeaker. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.600 Cook get every month lift over from the night before. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:02.680 So I was here and we were thank you anything 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:08.840 else either, I'm okay, thank you, masus. What's on the list? 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:15.280 There's nothing but beverages on this table. I don't know, Hidrake, 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:23.360 I'm caffeinating. I was here very briefly. I saw John. Um, 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:28.560 they let me get rid of these Paul things, just 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:34.919 get rid of it. And then yeah, Paul was I 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.200 think he's doing a pilot and then a movie back 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.400 to back. So he was like, you can come through 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.920 New York or else you in May or something like that. Yeah, 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:49.200 I'll come back. That's great. Yes, how are you good? 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:54.880 Really good? Yeah? Um? All right, so before you were cast, 0:05:55.000 --> 0:06:00.480 did you watch the show? So my my history of 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:05.200 the Office started with my neighbor Noline Burke, who came 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.200 home from Ireland visiting her family. With the British series. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.080 She said, this is a really funny show. You have 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.000 to watch it, and she had, you know, like the 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.640 DVD pal or whatever. So I was full on in 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:22.240 convert from the Ricky Gervais series. Then I heard they 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.200 were making an American version, and I thought that was 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.320 just blasphemous. Why why can't they just import the show? 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.320 Why do we import our shows or export our shows there? 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:38.000 But we Americans need to remake something that's perfect, And 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.480 I thought it was the worst idea ever. And then 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.880 I started seeing the cast assembled. I was like, oh, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:50.720 this is going to be funny, and it was. And 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:55.719 I watched the American version happily. Um, and then I thought, 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.479 like I I enjoy comedy. I never I'm not good 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.839 at the four camera sitcom thing. I can't land the 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:08.719 boom boom the whatever. But I when I saw The Office, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.920 I was like, Oh, this is character based comedy. This 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.520 is not rhythm. I mean there are some rhythms and 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.200 of course, but like it's not so dependent on that 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.160 joke and then the alternative punchline for that joke that 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.720 all the writers stand around writing and let me get it, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.280 that is like too stressful for me. So anyway, the Office, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.520 I felt like, Okay, here's the world I could fit 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.360 into in terms of building a character. And there, you know, 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.280 everything is life for death for them. So what was 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.680 the process of you being cast on the show? Did 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.240 they approached you to come in? That was the year 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.679 I was nominated for h an Oscar for Gone, Baby Gone, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.720 And I remember saying to my agent, half joking but 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.160 not really. I was like, you know, if we have 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.920 any pull right now, want to cash it in on 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:06.000 the office. I had not heard that, yeah, and he's like, okay. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:11.720 And apparently simultaneously, Paul Lieberstein, who I had known from 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.560 sitcom many many years earlier, called The Naked Truth that 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.200 he was writing on knew of me but also as 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.760 a fan of The Wire, and so I think I'm 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.800 not sure who called first, but I think both were 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.920 like there was a coincidence of timing that in that case. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:39.080 So so I showed up, what are you doing here? Why? Anyway, 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.800 I I felt very very confident in my decision that 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.160 this is where I wanted to be next because a 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.800 lot of all, you know, a lot of the opportunities 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:52.200 as well, like there's not much imagination once you maybe 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.920 poked through with a role you know, as you may 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.520 know from your own experience, like people like, great, we 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.440 have this new role for you, and she's a drug 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.720 addicted mother. There you like, you mean like the one 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.960 I just played. Okay, that doesn't sound like so much 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:10.160 fun for a while, playing someone intelligent was not coming 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:16.120 to me surprisingly, isn't that frustrating? So so, but making 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:20.600 those hard right turns and giving other people whiplash is 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.680 what I was after, Like it's so certainly like going 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:28.560 to a comedy and just being well groomed in a role, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.720 you know, So I was. I was really grateful for 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.440 that that they thought it was a good idea too. 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.920 So when you were cast, did you at that moment 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:43.240 have any idea of where it was going to go? No, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:48.800 But I I understood that I was there on a 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.480 trial basis. I think it was the last episode, like 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.719 Goodbye Toby. I came in and I think it was 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.280 a pretty fancy audition basically like having not read for 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.200 the role, like, okay, if this doesn't work out, because 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:07.679 they said, like, you know, maybe might might be love 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.400 interest from Michael Scott, We're not sure, but you know, 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.520 we still have some ideas. But yet again there was 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.240 the British version to kind of go By, and there 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.560 was that character I forget her name, but where he 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:21.520 finally found someone that the affection was mutual. But then 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.080 I believe that about that part is I think where 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.800 it stopped, like the comparison, so I knew it was 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.400 a little up in the air and depended on how 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.720 well I did. I mean, it felt very welcome by 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.520 all you guys. But there is a weird thing about 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.400 being a fan of a show and then being employed 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.960 by that show. I remember doing it, like one episode 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.800 of e Er back in the day, like shocked that 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.040 the hallway was so little that they did all that 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.840 choreography of like running through with gurneys and such, and 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.319 you know, the wire was the same thing, like being 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.040 a big fan of the show and then joining the 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:58.080 company in the second season. It's it takes a minute 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:02.920 to just like calm down right, No, no, Well, being 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.240 a guest star is a very difficult thing. You're the 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.760 transfer student from another school. Totally, yeah, well, who's going 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:14.800 to sit with me at lunch? Were you were? You? 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.920 Were you nervous when you walked onto set the first time. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.400 I was nervous. I can tell because my head is 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.240 tilted down like this, and because because my daughter just 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.440 watched that episode, and so having the hindsight, like I 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.880 was like, oh yeah, like you're not like standing up straight. Yeah, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.400 just that little till to the head, like maybe no 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:42.200 one will notice if I mess up. And then I 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:46.160 was And then you know, a lot of that quickly 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.960 subsided because the nature of being on the offices, you 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.880 are a main character and an extra all in one. Right. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.520 You are in the background every scene if you don't 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.079 have spoken lines. And I remember being um positioned I 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.360 one of the low file cabinets and pretending to go 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:07.280 through papers and kind of shock is all that those 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:12.040 papers were like old medical records. Yeah, I thought, oh 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:17.120 my god, this is somebody's it's alcial security number, this 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:22.280 is somebody's medical history. This is just shocked. Anyway, Yeah, 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.040 they recycle. That was Kate flannering I talked about that, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.840 which I had forgotten. Get a shredder, people, shred your stuff. 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:44.680 You might end up a prop on the Exactly, it's 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.000 a hard time for hiring, so you need a hiring 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:52.920 partner built for hard times. 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Listen to Max and Miles and the iHeart 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:53.080 Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your favorite shows. 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.600 Your chemistry with Steve from the beginning is amazing. Did 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.800 you guys have a discussion. I mean, you were a 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.480 fan of the show, so you knew his character very well. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:15.480 But how much of that was a discussion about, you know, 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.640 potentially Holly being the female version of him or is 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:25.960 that how it was described or no, um, it wasn't 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:31.320 described that way, but you know, just in the writing, 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.400 I mean, it was so generous of the writers too 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.440 offer me those tidbits, whether it was like rapping with 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.200 him or you know, the Yoda saying I clearly they're 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:46.680 saying she is of like kinfolk and then just as 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.320 an actors like, well, I can't do you know Steve's 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.840 bit like I can't, and even if I tried, I couldn't. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.280 But like, how do you make it the same but different? 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.760 You know? Um? And I just I just love that idea, 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.880 that it's a lid for every pot, you know. I 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:05.359 I don't know if I really want to admit this. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:10.960 But after however, many years playing different parts and theater 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.399 and other TV and film, I get a call from 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:20.000 my high school boyfriend. He's like, well, I'm so glad 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:32.200 you're finally playing yourself. Yeah, and I can't really deny that. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.760 that's amazing. My my like nerdy, geeky side was on 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:44.879 the rise. Yeah. So drug adult, single mother. Oh no, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.560 that's part of that's that's the other side of my personality. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:53.760 I like to keep it balanced, don't pigeonhole me. You 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:58.280 had worked with Steve before, very briefly, yeah, or um? So, 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.080 Steve started a film called And in Real Life, and PETERR. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.640 Hedges wrote and directed. Peter's an old friend of mine 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.680 and I have a really teeny tiny part in there, 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.320 playing his sister in law. It's a big extended family 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.520 and Peter got together a bunch of his New York 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.600 actor friends. We all were up in Rhode Island for 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.480 I don't know, six eight weeks or so. Anyway, the 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.000 whole company was very close and that's where that's where 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.000 I met Steve Um, you know, just chit chatting. We 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.680 really didn't have any scenes together and stuff like that, 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.960 but I don't I don't know. I got asked that 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.359 a lot about what's the chemistry with Steve, And I 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.040 have to say, I have to give him credit for 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:42.639 being the most grounded, down to earth creative genius that 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:48.000 um you can dream of, because he's got a really 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:53.200 good thing going on. And he he isn't subliminally subliminally 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:54.879 like I can I want to change that work as 0:18:54.880 --> 0:19:00.320 who can say subliminally. He he is in no way 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:04.359 saying back up, let me do my thing. I've experienced 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.720 that on sets with other actors, like they're they're not 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.639 even really looking at you or you know, they can 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.040 do it all. They don't even need you off camera 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.280 for their close up. But Steve, and I guess that's 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:18.200 his early days, you know, improv being with a group. 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.440 He's so generous, and I always thought it was weird. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.280 He'd be like the first one to be like that's 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.760 so funny. He'd tell everyone like how funny they were, 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:28.960 you know, and you just like, he's just your shoulders 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.040 dropped a little bit. You're like a little more relaxed 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.159 each time. But I don't know. I did say to 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.600 him one time, I said, I know this sounds really flaky, 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.280 but um, I really feel like I've known you before 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.160 in my life, and he said, I feel the same. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:45.040 So I think it was just about trust and just 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:51.240 having fun. Like so you were there and then you left. 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.120 And it's interesting because, you know, you talk about Jim 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.920 and Pam, their relationship played just very purely, and then 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:03.640 all of Michael's relations and ships played essentially totally for comedy, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:08.080 at least until Holly, you know, like the Carol the 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:12.440 real estate agent and Jan that was like so preposterous 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.840 and terrible. But I think for me, even though you 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:21.439 guys were so close and that chemistry was there in 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.199 my head, you left and it went away, like it 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.160 went away. And for some reason the Herpies episode where 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:32.680 he calls you, I suddenly went, oh, this is it, 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.480 Like this is this is where they're going. Where were 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.440 you in terms of the discussion about you coming back 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.720 again or did you say nowhere No, we left it 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.199 open and I'd love to come. But for me, it 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:49.160 was also about location. I live in New York and 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.199 I love being in New York, so I didn't want 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.800 to relocate to Los Angeles, but I was happy to 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.320 come and go. And then also in that time, then 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.960 I was pregnant and had my daughter, Georgia, So so 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:05.000 there was a big chunk off while that was happening. Yeah, 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:11.320 where do you feel like Michael's search for the American dream? 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:15.560 You know, happiness, success, family? You know that that that's 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.560 all he's looking for, and then nobody will give it 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:24.480 to him except whit that he doesn't want anything but 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.480 that it becomes the people that are in this office 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:31.199 until until you come along. How do you feel like 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.680 that transition for him his character happened or how did 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.720 you see it? Well? I don't know if I can 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:43.520 speak so clearly about Michael in that way, but um, 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.399 I just feel like, maybe, you know, Michael just became 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.520 just a happier person, and right, you know, he's still crazy, 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:53.560 That's what I still like. Like he still makes really 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.840 bad choices along the way and things that make other 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.959 people cringe. Like it's not like suddenly Holly comes and 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.600 spreads this Jack Pixie dust on him, and he's like 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.679 a normal person. But she's got a little of that too, 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:11.119 So it's it's permissible in their world. Um. I think, 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.600 you know, when I'm stopped or asked questions, you know, 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:18.320 if it's someone on the street or I just I'm 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.119 always amazed at how much like they root for a 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:24.800 guy they don't like, and they're so glad he met me. 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:29.080 You know that ort home and I love that. That's 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:32.560 all in conflict with each other. Um So what does 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.879 what does Holly mean from Michael? I mean, it's a 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:40.760 guy who's just so so desperate to have a win 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:45.560 somewhere in his life or to be that guy. You know, 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:49.399 he poses at that for so long and then here's 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.960 someone he doesn't have to work that hard with for 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:53.960 the I think the first time we see him, or 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.800 that we've known him rather and I don't know, maybe 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.640 that it's it's all gonna be okay. If there's one 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:03.560 phrase to it, like, you know, we all matter the 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:06.760 end of the day, we all matter. There's there is 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.840 someone for you, and if you don't feel good along 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.200 the way, then you're just with the wrong person. And 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.960 maybe that sounds easier said than don it there's someone 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.600 single alone being Yeah, you know, thanks thanks for that 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:22.440 adviceing me Ryan, you suck like I think I think 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:27.200 there's um. I guess progress. It's the word he's gotten 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.080 out of his own way. Yeah, but I think that 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:33.400 in the show. On the show, all of the characters, 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.560 you bring up a really interesting point that people haven't 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:41.400 talked to you so much, but so much is about 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:47.040 just wanting to win one just having that one success, 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:50.600 be it in work or in life or in love 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:55.520 or whatever. And Holly really is that for him? Yeah? Yeah, 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:57.520 and he didn't have to work that hard for it. 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:00.679 I mean she was in as fast as he was 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:04.840 pretty much. So you know that's that's also fun to 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.440 see him get knocked back a bit, right, He can 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:12.520 more be himself. Isn't to stalk a woman to date her? 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:16.240 He doesn't have to pose? Yeah, And then of course 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.399 we all feared his viewers if you say, like, what 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.080 does this mean for the show? Is he leaving the 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.560 show with it? What? What? No? No? What's back up? 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:27.359 Back up? Back upright? You know that proposal when I 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.960 had to walk down the line of everybody holding candles. 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:33.840 I couldn't stop crying. I thought it was one of 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:35.840 those things where it's like to tell meself, like this 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:41.159 isn't real. But there's something about everybody's face, like looking 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.840 so lovingly and they can like it was such a 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:47.160 beautiful setting. But I had to I had to tell myself, like, 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:54.639 these are actors. You're not getting married, but it's like 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:59.320 any wedding, Like, oh, it makes me cry. I've often 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:05.280 I've often said there was something about that that scene 0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:12.000 that water comes, you know, the sprinklers coming down, that um, 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.359 I don't know what's so sort of beautiful and moving 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:18.160 to me. I Steve directed that episode and I remember, 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.040 you know, the water being such a big effect and 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:23.879 that first take, which is what's in the show because 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:25.600 it was shocking and it was cold and it was 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:30.720 goofy and it wasn't cinematic. And I don't know who, 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.040 but you know, on the other side of the monitors 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.479 like we have to go again, and Steve got up 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.480 and he remember he fought for it. He's like, no, 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:42.679 this is better. It's not it's not slick, it's not cool. 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:48.080 It's they look terrible, but it's funny, you know. And 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.040 I was so glad too reasons because I agreed with 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:52.359 him and the others, like I really didn't want to 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.800 get wet again because that water was so cold. It 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:58.680 was such a shock when it opened up. Yeah. Well, 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:06.280 and I just remember that, um that the it's how 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.080 life is right, like everything is not. It's not the 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:12.359 perfect moment that you that you assume that it's going 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.520 to be and even though it is this beautiful moment 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.200 with the candles, like there's something that's going to screw 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.080 it up. Yeah, but that's the life I prefer to 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:24.439