WEBVTT - Kat & Dale Against the World! 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.400 Hey, everyone, welcome back to Better Happy. I'm Joe and 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:09.800 we are here today with Dale and Cat. Cat and Dale. Congrats. 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:15.560 You guys are a couple, right Kale Calale first? 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.400 First, a new couple named Kale that you know are We. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:24.520 Said on that it's genetically modified the vegetable that everyone 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.840 thought was healthy and is actually probably not that good 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:28.320 for you. That's what you guys are. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.720 Actually, it's so true. 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.519 Yeah, the kill is quarantines, but what would be the 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:39.120 opposite that? 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:42.599 Okay, yeah, I guess you gotta. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.200 Go with Kale for sure. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.080 How you guys doing. How do you feel after the reunion? 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.479 I feel good after the reunion. Yeah, I thought that. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.960 I thought sparks were I thought there were some moments 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.920 where it was going to get super intense, but people 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:57.760 kind of reeled it in. 0:00:59.000 --> 0:00:59.960 But there was so much stuff. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.760 Look, yeah, I'm literally like squeezing Cat during the reunion, 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:03.800 like keep. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:05.399 It chill, don't burn the stage down. 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.800 But overall, like you know, when you watch stuff back, 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.679 I think people have an idea of, you know, going 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:14.720 into the reunion, they want to say certain things, but 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:17.720 everyone kind of held their composure and I think a 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.840 lot of the fans probably are going to have a 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.319 lot more clarity about situations that were going on during 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.960 the season, because even I did like different perspectives, and 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.160 I thought everyone approached it in a really, really good way, 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.040 and I think a lot of people squashed some of 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.959 the issues that they had going on, you know, while 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.119 airing was going. I know there were some things circulating 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:39.520 for sure. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.360 Why were you guys most nervous about going into the reunion? 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.400 I think I was, like, I can speak for myself, 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.559 seeing how everybody kind of was moving in real time 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.520 with the way while it was airing made me realize, like, oh, 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.640 people are like they're not afraid to say anything or 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.880 do anything, or whatever that case may be. So I 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.840 was just, I guess more nervous about things getting really 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:08.639 elevated and heated and leaving without any kind of clarity 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:09.880 at the end of the day. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.680 Yeah, And I think on my end, the biggest thing 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:18.359 was for us just to kind of, you know, take 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.519 the higher ground, which you know, I knew we would 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.520 obviously communicate our stance in a lot of situations, but 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.200 you'll see that throughout the season we were balancing each 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.160 other out at different times. But the biggest thing is 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.280 a lot of times if there's some negativity, it's just 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:37.400 pet projection. So we didn't need to fall into you know, 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.040 tit for tat or any of those things. And I again, 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:41.920 I thought that. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.839 It went really, really well. And it's also just good 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:45.520 to see everyone. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.040 You know, that's probably the last time we'll all be 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.720 in a room together at the same time, So it 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.000 was a good feeling, but it was I'm happy it's 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:53.880 wrapped for sure. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:55.280 Yeah. 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:59.160 For you, Cat, it's kind of like a lot of 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.760 accusations have been thrown at you, so no matter what, 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.400 going into the reunion, you have to be on like 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:07.800 you really can't even go in there like I'm in 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.799 a happy, healthy relationship with Dale. It's like I am, 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.239 but I also have to defend myself against everything that 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:17.080 kind of went down. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.240 I think I just wanted to make sure that our 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:25.240 relationship was still it expressed and acknowledged and we like 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.760 didn't take away from it, didn't take away from that relationship, right, 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.600 And I my biggest thing going into it was that 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.160 I think people just needed to be held accountable for 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.320 certain behaviors and things and got to be done in 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:42.200 a way that's kind and still like with composure. But 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.040 as I'm sure we all know, like going into those 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.280 settings and you kind of put yourself back in that place, 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.360 and so sometimes your emotions can take over. So just 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.960 like being very like grounding in yourself so that way 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:55.760 you can actually get your point across. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.080 Yeah, I think it was also cool because you know, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.040 the whole cast is there, so some of these situations 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.240 when it's online in social media, you're dealing with it 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.640 kind of yourself. People aren't going to speak and say 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.840 too much. But in that setting, I think there were 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.320 a lot of cast members that stuck up for either 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.320 of us in situations. We did the same and really 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:23.760 spoke about some of those situations that kind of helped 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:25.919 just debt it, you know what I'm saying. 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.840 So I know what you're saying, Dal Everyone does know. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.000 Everyone knows, everyone knows. 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.560 Where do you guys stand with Sean and Alicia? 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.800 Now I don't have a problem with Sean. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.160 I think Sean made, you know, he was frustrated and 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.880 made some you know, decisions that he probably wished he 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.960 would have handled a little different. Obviously he's not, you know, 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.880 gonna apologize he did whatever, and he stands by that. 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:55.600 But I think He also. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.159 Realized during the reunion that it was a heat of 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:03.520 the moment, you know, he was frustrated and it was 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.840 just digging right. There's bigger things that people go through 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:11.360 in relationships than what was expressed on the show. And 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.159 I think like he understands that it seems like you 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:15.760 guys had a good report. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.760 I mean, even before the reunion, I gave him an 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:20.479 olive branch and reached out to him to see if 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:21.800 he wanted to talk through anything. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:26.359 This is weeks ago, just because in those environments, like 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:27.000 things are really. 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.120 Heightened and we're limited in the way we can like 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.120 communicate our perspective, so we kind of. 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.640 Like swashed what we could. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.080 But I also realized that like as things are airing, 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.440 you might like want to kind of lean into that 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.200 narrative too, So I didn't know how he was going 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:45.960 to come into the reunion necessarily. Same with Alicia. Nearly 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.159 she did not speak before the reunion, Like no outreach 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.159 was given. So I think that I was able to 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:58.200 kind of almost like I guess, give like more perspective 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.640 and see that there wasn't as much weight in what 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.800 the accusations were because there wasn't really any like proof 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.120 or follow up. I was able to like at least 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.440 feel where they're coming from. I guess their opinions on 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.400 my character, and I don't want to see like we're 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.599 not like best friends, but like I don't hold any 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.880 animosity because that's just like not who I am. I 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.240 almost like forgive too easily. But I will say, like 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.159 this experience taught me like how close to keep people 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.920 and those that like that people might be aut to 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.760 like hurt you in some capacity and you just have 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:32.839 to be a little bit more cautious of that. So 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.239 that's pretty much like where the I would say, it's 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.120 it lies, it's just like neutral. I'm never probably going 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.360 to see them again, so I'd rather just not have 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:45.440 any hatred. But as long as like we both were 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.159 able to speak our truth, that's all I really cared about. 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.680 Yeah, I think, you know, just at the end, people 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.800 kind of tried to, you know, just squash a lot 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:01.800 of the large scale like combativeness. And again, like I 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.039 think that's was the great thing about the reunion coming 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.120 off it. I think if there was were things that 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:11.240 were open ended, people just kind of moved past them, 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.360 and you know, like. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.560 Everybody said what they've been trying to say for these 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.000 last like two while it's airing like, it's been a 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.080 lot of built up stuff. And I think once everyone 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.320 was able to see that and say that we're adults, 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.280 you kind of just like move on in your own ways. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:27.960 That doesn't mean that. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.080 You're going to be like texting each other and be 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.880 f but you can feel comfortable making a TikTok or. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:37.280 Something, you know, So yeah, I just go crazy. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.880 I'd rather put my energy towards I'm not going to 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.040 let people like you know, live in my brain. 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.600 Essentially it's over, it's done. I can live in theirs 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:46.160 if they want. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:52.920 But why so going back to the show accusing you 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.720 of having an iPad, yeah, and reaching out to your 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.280 ax or well technically your current boyfriend, is what the 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:06.360 accusation was. I think, why do you think he made 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:11.160 that up? Because I stand with you in this situation 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.440 because if you had an iPad, they would have shown it, 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.280 right and there's really nowhere for you to hide on 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.200 the show. And I guess I don't know, and you 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.640 may not even be able to answer for Sean, But 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:24.920 where does he pull that out of? 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.480 Is that just like or do you think it didn't 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.120 start with Sean. Do you think it might have started 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:30.360 with your ex? 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.360 I think it was a combination. I do know that. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.800 What ended up happening when they got voted off and 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.680 they were put in that hotel was he called my 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.840 ex and said things about what I was doing in 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.800 Paradise that ultimately also weren't true, such as like saying 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:50.960 I was talking on camera about him cheating on me 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.440 and kind of getting him rolled up at least sounds 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.160 like so. I don't really know what was exchanged in 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.240 that conversation that led him to say something to that extent, 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.200 But as you see, it was an iPad or was 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.720 it a laptop? Like, if you're going to speak on 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.200 something with so much like that has a lot of weight, 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.760 I think it would be in your best interest to 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.080 make sure you have your facts aligned. I can't speak 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.440 on why he did what he did or what she 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.160 did what she did or said it to that way, 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.600 but I still don't know from even like what my 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.480 ex had said. I know that for sure there was 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:31.440 no receipts because there's nothing to give, And yeah, I 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.760 don't know. I do know that it was a lot 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:39.440 of Yeah, the conversation that was had was not accurate 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:40.240 from both ends. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:52.199 Do you think that the accusations changed the way the 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:57.480 vote would have gone? No, yeah, it didn't look like it. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.160 And I said it that I was like, I love 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:01.839 where we're at. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.200 Like I thought that the three final couples were the 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.800 three final couples that really did deserve to be there, 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.640 and like had not to say that Bailey and Jeremy didn't, 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.240 but they face a little bit more adversity in my opinion, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.400 But if it was the final four, I would love 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.800 that too. I just like loved that we were where 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.840 we were at, and I felt like we deserved to 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.400 be there, and whatever happened afterwards, I was I was 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.040 fine with anybody who were to win or deserved to 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.400 lave as like a little bit more financially stable from 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.160 the money. So when we lost the challenge and it 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.080 came down to Justin Spencer from an outsider looking in, 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.440 obviously they would be the couple to go forward, just 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.400 based on their relationship that they saw. But I've always 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.320 said it's hard because not one couple is better than 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.760 the other. It's we're all in our own relationships and 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.400 I think we all have our own unique things It 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.240 just depends, but yeah, they definitely Yeah, like that. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:01.520 Home, we knew like with the pointed Questions challenge or whatever, 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.320 as we're reading through the you know, the questions that 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.200 you know are going to be asked and we you know, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.080 are tallying stuff up. We knew there was no way 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:11.679 we were winning. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.800 That and people off. But it's also like, I feel 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:16.840 like we were very direct. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.120 If we didn't agree with something, you know, we communicated it. 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.440 And yeah, we were pretty firm with like, you know, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.080 I let most people know if I was voting for 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.000 him right before the Rose ceremony, so they always knew 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.080 where I stood. And when people are coming back, even 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.360 if there's not ill will uh, some of those things 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:40.319 are gonna definitely come back around. And also just the 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.000 nature of it, right, but some of the people who 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.120 had left it, it was gonna be a tough go 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.200 for us. But we said even going into it, like 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.000 We're not going to sit and beg anybody for shit. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:52.959 We're gonna you know, be who we are. We can 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.520 express and people can see, you know, how we built 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.360 this here in Paradise. But ultimately it was out of 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.360 our control that point, so whatever happened, we were good 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:08.080 and uh, you know a little a little conflict at 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.880 the end, but I think that set the foundation for 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.600 us to you know, reset really look. 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:14.680 At it helped me. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.000 I was like, Oh, this man is going to stand 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.520 by me without even knowing anything. Like that's incredible. Like 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.360 that actually like made our relationship so much stronger. I 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.040 think they wanted it to do the opposite, but it 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.600 was literally the weight of the world like put into 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:32.040 real test timing and in that situation, and it really 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:37.199 helped me like see him for who he fully fully is, 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:38.240 and you don't really get. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:39.720 That opportunity that much in those settings. 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.839 So kind of you think do you think do you 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.040 think if Dale had a few more roses in him 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.040 he would have handled that differently? No, Dale, I want 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.640 to ask you a serious question. Dal You did really 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.560 handle that like very mature. It was very mature of you, 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:01.240 because I think most people in that situation and on 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.080 that show, and it is a pressure cooker and there's 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.400 so much to think about and you're near the end 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.760 would have been like, well, what the fuck is going 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.600 on here? Do you have a boyfriend? I mean, this 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.840 all seems pretty legit. What is going on? Why did 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:16.880 you handle it the way you did. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:23.840 I mean, for me, whatever situation happened, it's something that 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.280 we could have the conversations and figure it out after 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.000 the fact. I don't think it was handled the right way. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.680 I would have never handled it in that setting. And yeah, 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.480 there were definitely moments where I really had to bite 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.080 my tongue because I wanted to pop off, but it 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.320 didn't serve anything, and it was less about me and 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.560 it was more about Kat in that situation, you know, 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.280 regardless of what happened, Like I was going to be fine, right, 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:52.880 Like if there's hurt and everything, that's okay. But you know, 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:54.480 there was never a time where I was I was 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.120 going to try to throw her under the bus and 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.520 pile on. But like it was really really intense in 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.880 real time. I go for a walk and the entire 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:07.439 group of everybody's walking with me, Sean comes over, Andrew, Jeremy, everybody, 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.160 and there we're. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.360 Trying to look out for you. We just want you 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.320 to be happy, like YadA, YadA, YadA. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.440 And in all those settings too, I was like, look, 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.760 I don't care what's going on right now. All I 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.280 care about is how Cat's doing and whatever else comes 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.520 out like we can figure it out, but this whole situation, like, 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.640 I'm just kind of done with it, So you can 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.000 say whatever you want, it's not going to change how 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.840 I'm going to act. I'm grown, I'm fine, like, but 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.560 I want to, you know, make sure she's okay. And 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.960 we could work everything else out and figure it out 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.520 after the fact, so I don't know, I'm always going 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.280 to go to the source. And it did create you know, 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.720 where we had to have some conversations after the fact, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.120 but that's all stuff that we could work out. 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:52.480 Right. 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.960 We had gone through the whole Paradise experience together, so 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.160 like we were going to finish it together. 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.800 Yeah, it was it was a lot longer in real time. 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.840 It was like he was going for a while, and 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.400 that's when I started to have a panic attack because 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.880 I was like I just felt like so powerless in 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.400 that moment, and it was less about what he was saying. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.440 It was more about the environment and like where that 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:20.360 brought me back. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.360 To, and I was just in no capacity to even 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.960 speak to anyone, and all I cared about was Dale. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.680 So yeah, it was a lot more intense. And then 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.800 even after you came back out, it sounded like it 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.200 was really really a lot. So he did really. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.680 Well, if you guys, but if more rosees, I don't know. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.200 I don't know now. 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.120 Handled that, but he probably said a lot more. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.560 I don't worry, I am. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.360 I am good the moment, I didn't have as many roses. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.680 Like the Goldens were very very taken aback by that, 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.920 because like they're like, what is this behavior? 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.960 Yeah, and you know, came at me like super sideways 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:07.000 like if and again at the end of the day, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.400 it was just an intense environment and my main thing 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.760 is like, look like I'm not even trying to hear 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.800 this right now, Like this has been going on for 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.000 X amount of time. Let me find Kat, let me 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.240 make sure she's okay, we can talk, we can figure 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.080 this out in the morning. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.000 And I just kind of left it at that. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:36.000 Yeah, yeah, Kat, going on paradise, How would you have 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.960 described your relationship with your ex at the time. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.760 With my axe at the time, definitely not in a relationship, 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:48.360 like there was no boyfriend girlfriend. I was seeing a 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.360 few different people prior to going to Paradise, him being 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.600 one of them, and he we reconnected probably like I 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.840 would say, a month before I had left, But that 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.600 was always known that I was going and you know, 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.080 I've said this, and I think Hill Great wasn't the 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.240 healthiest and it was one of those kind of attachments 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.240 that I think we both needed to separate and see 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:12.760 what was going to be the case. And that's what 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:17.200 I used Paradise for. So I was coming in hopeful 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.400 but still like fearful of the experience. It hasn't worked 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.160 out so great in the beginning or in the previous years. 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.879 So I wasn't like, oh, I'm for sure going to 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.680 meet someone, like in my head, I'm not like I'm 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.399 going to leave knowing or with my person again. It 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.960 was very open to like possibly just coming home alone 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.880 and that was okay. But I think just like an 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:42.359 average like you know, normal dating, seeing someone but with 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:47.520 no like attachments to our titles, to our relationship at all, 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.240 and he can one hundred percent testify to that and 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:50.880 agree to that. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:55.200 Yeah, the Rosta or even Andrew said in the reunion 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.879 like it's like, yo, whatever happens, because at the end, 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.919 it's like close, any loose ends that. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.480 But I was dating stuff. 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.359 A lot of people were dating because like that's what 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.760 we're allowed to do. Like I think in previous years, 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.200 we were like, let's not live our life before because 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.199 we want to find our person in paradise. But we 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:15.960 learned that that's not always going to be the case. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.679 And if you do limit yourself prior, then you almost 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.760 come in with so much like expectations of how you're 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:23.480 supposed to leave. 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:24.879 And then that changed. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:30.159 Johnnerry talked about that, like really clearly that he felt 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.720 because the build up to Paradise was so intense for him, 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.639 and like each time, like if it wasn't someone that 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.560 he was matching with, it, he just got lower and 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:41.640 lower and just felt less. 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.879 He gave up all my links before and like, so 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.199 that was just something I wasn't willing to do in 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:48.840 this time, Like I was still going to date and 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:49.280 live my. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:53.480 Life and and go on a dating show. Like why 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.119 are you going to stop dating? We're going on a 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:55.720 dating show. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.120 So if you guys had made it to the end, 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.800 you're the only couple. Okay, five hundred k is on 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.880 the table. Do you think you one of you might 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.080 have taken the money? Like is it something you thought 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:10.199 about or talked about at all? 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.160 And to add on to that real quick, do we 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.760 know like if you could there have been a side 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:17.439 deal made. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.919 Could like you could take the money and then just 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:21.040 figure it out after. 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.120 That's that's what we've been wondering. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.160 Yeah, I would have to have something in writing where 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:29.720 I'm like, you better share that with me. But if 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:31.760 it came down to, like should we give up half 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:36.560 a million dollars and when we could just after, Like 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.959 I just I didn't understand how you could choose love 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:40.640 our money when like we have free will. 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.520 So you never thought about that or conversation. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.040 I didn't even know that was an option, Like, we 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:46.160 didn't even think about that. 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.240 But if it was five hundred k, that's different than 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.240 two hundred and fifty k too, even like it's just 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:55.160 I don't really know. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:55.600 What we would do. 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.080 Yeah, I never really thought about that, like some people 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.000 are because a lot like Kathy's like I take them 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.960 money and you know, and then even we're like, oh, yeah, 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:05.280 we could take the money. 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.119 And then we could just do this after anyway, because 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.639 so I didn't understand that, I think until you're in 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.919 that situation. But uh, it'd be a conversation, you know. 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:15.680