Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Better Happy. I'm Joe and
Speaker 1: we are here today with Dale and Cat. Cat and Dale. Congrats.
Speaker 1: You guys are a couple, right Kale Calale first?
Speaker 2: First, a new couple named Kale that you know are We.
Speaker 1: Said on that it's genetically modified the vegetable that everyone
Speaker 1: thought was healthy and is actually probably not that good
Speaker 1: for you. That's what you guys are.
Speaker 3: Actually, it's so true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the kill is quarantines, but what would be the
Speaker 4: opposite that?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I guess you gotta.
Speaker 3: Go with Kale for sure.
Speaker 1: How you guys doing. How do you feel after the reunion?
Speaker 3: I feel good after the reunion. Yeah, I thought that.
Speaker 5: I thought sparks were I thought there were some moments
Speaker 5: where it was going to get super intense, but people
Speaker 5: kind of reeled it in.
Speaker 3: But there was so much stuff.
Speaker 5: Look, yeah, I'm literally like squeezing Cat during the reunion,
Speaker 5: like keep.
Speaker 3: It chill, don't burn the stage down.
Speaker 5: But overall, like you know, when you watch stuff back,
Speaker 5: I think people have an idea of, you know, going
Speaker 5: into the reunion, they want to say certain things, but
Speaker 5: everyone kind of held their composure and I think a
Speaker 5: lot of the fans probably are going to have a
Speaker 5: lot more clarity about situations that were going on during
Speaker 5: the season, because even I did like different perspectives, and
Speaker 5: I thought everyone approached it in a really, really good way,
Speaker 5: and I think a lot of people squashed some of
Speaker 5: the issues that they had going on, you know, while
Speaker 5: airing was going. I know there were some things circulating
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 6: Why were you guys most nervous about going into the reunion?
Speaker 7: I think I was, like, I can speak for myself,
Speaker 7: seeing how everybody kind of was moving in real time
Speaker 7: with the way while it was airing made me realize, like, oh,
Speaker 7: people are like they're not afraid to say anything or
Speaker 7: do anything, or whatever that case may be. So I
Speaker 7: was just, I guess more nervous about things getting really
Speaker 7: elevated and heated and leaving without any kind of clarity
Speaker 7: at the end of the day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think on my end, the biggest thing
Speaker 5: was for us just to kind of, you know, take
Speaker 5: the higher ground, which you know, I knew we would
Speaker 5: obviously communicate our stance in a lot of situations, but
Speaker 5: you'll see that throughout the season we were balancing each
Speaker 5: other out at different times. But the biggest thing is
Speaker 5: a lot of times if there's some negativity, it's just
Speaker 5: pet projection. So we didn't need to fall into you know,
Speaker 5: tit for tat or any of those things. And I again,
Speaker 5: I thought that.
Speaker 3: It went really, really well. And it's also just good
Speaker 3: to see everyone.
Speaker 5: You know, that's probably the last time we'll all be
Speaker 5: in a room together at the same time, So it
Speaker 5: was a good feeling, but it was I'm happy it's
Speaker 5: wrapped for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For you, Cat, it's kind of like a lot of
Speaker 1: accusations have been thrown at you, so no matter what,
Speaker 1: going into the reunion, you have to be on like
Speaker 1: you really can't even go in there like I'm in
Speaker 1: a happy, healthy relationship with Dale. It's like I am,
Speaker 1: but I also have to defend myself against everything that
Speaker 1: kind of went down.
Speaker 7: I think I just wanted to make sure that our
Speaker 7: relationship was still it expressed and acknowledged and we like
Speaker 7: didn't take away from it, didn't take away from that relationship, right,
Speaker 7: And I my biggest thing going into it was that
Speaker 7: I think people just needed to be held accountable for
Speaker 7: certain behaviors and things and got to be done in
Speaker 7: a way that's kind and still like with composure. But
Speaker 7: as I'm sure we all know, like going into those
Speaker 7: settings and you kind of put yourself back in that place,
Speaker 7: and so sometimes your emotions can take over. So just
Speaker 7: like being very like grounding in yourself so that way
Speaker 7: you can actually get your point across.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was also cool because you know,
Speaker 5: the whole cast is there, so some of these situations
Speaker 5: when it's online in social media, you're dealing with it
Speaker 5: kind of yourself. People aren't going to speak and say
Speaker 5: too much. But in that setting, I think there were
Speaker 5: a lot of cast members that stuck up for either
Speaker 5: of us in situations. We did the same and really
Speaker 5: spoke about some of those situations that kind of helped
Speaker 5: just debt it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I know what you're saying, Dal Everyone does know.
Speaker 3: Everyone knows, everyone knows.
Speaker 6: Where do you guys stand with Sean and Alicia?
Speaker 3: Now I don't have a problem with Sean.
Speaker 5: I think Sean made, you know, he was frustrated and
Speaker 5: made some you know, decisions that he probably wished he
Speaker 5: would have handled a little different. Obviously he's not, you know,
Speaker 5: gonna apologize he did whatever, and he stands by that.
Speaker 3: But I think He also.
Speaker 5: Realized during the reunion that it was a heat of
Speaker 5: the moment, you know, he was frustrated and it was
Speaker 5: just digging right. There's bigger things that people go through
Speaker 5: in relationships than what was expressed on the show. And
Speaker 5: I think like he understands that it seems like you
Speaker 5: guys had a good report.
Speaker 7: I mean, even before the reunion, I gave him an
Speaker 7: olive branch and reached out to him to see if
Speaker 7: he wanted to talk through anything.
Speaker 8: This is weeks ago, just because in those environments, like
Speaker 8: things are really.
Speaker 7: Heightened and we're limited in the way we can like
Speaker 7: communicate our perspective, so we kind of.
Speaker 8: Like swashed what we could.
Speaker 7: But I also realized that like as things are airing,
Speaker 7: you might like want to kind of lean into that
Speaker 7: narrative too, So I didn't know how he was going
Speaker 7: to come into the reunion necessarily. Same with Alicia. Nearly
Speaker 7: she did not speak before the reunion, Like no outreach
Speaker 7: was given. So I think that I was able to
Speaker 7: kind of almost like I guess, give like more perspective
Speaker 7: and see that there wasn't as much weight in what
Speaker 7: the accusations were because there wasn't really any like proof
Speaker 7: or follow up. I was able to like at least
Speaker 7: feel where they're coming from. I guess their opinions on
Speaker 7: my character, and I don't want to see like we're
Speaker 7: not like best friends, but like I don't hold any
Speaker 7: animosity because that's just like not who I am. I
Speaker 7: almost like forgive too easily. But I will say, like
Speaker 7: this experience taught me like how close to keep people
Speaker 7: and those that like that people might be aut to
Speaker 7: like hurt you in some capacity and you just have
Speaker 7: to be a little bit more cautious of that. So
Speaker 7: that's pretty much like where the I would say, it's
Speaker 7: it lies, it's just like neutral. I'm never probably going
Speaker 7: to see them again, so I'd rather just not have
Speaker 7: any hatred. But as long as like we both were
Speaker 7: able to speak our truth, that's all I really cared about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, just at the end, people
Speaker 5: kind of tried to, you know, just squash a lot
Speaker 5: of the large scale like combativeness. And again, like I
Speaker 5: think that's was the great thing about the reunion coming
Speaker 5: off it. I think if there was were things that
Speaker 5: were open ended, people just kind of moved past them,
Speaker 5: and you know, like.
Speaker 7: Everybody said what they've been trying to say for these
Speaker 7: last like two while it's airing like, it's been a
Speaker 7: lot of built up stuff. And I think once everyone
Speaker 7: was able to see that and say that we're adults,
Speaker 7: you kind of just like move on in your own ways.
Speaker 8: That doesn't mean that.
Speaker 7: You're going to be like texting each other and be
Speaker 7: f but you can feel comfortable making a TikTok or.
Speaker 3: Something, you know, So yeah, I just go crazy.
Speaker 7: I'd rather put my energy towards I'm not going to
Speaker 7: let people like you know, live in my brain.
Speaker 8: Essentially it's over, it's done. I can live in theirs
Speaker 8: if they want.
Speaker 1: But why so going back to the show accusing you
Speaker 1: of having an iPad, yeah, and reaching out to your
Speaker 1: ax or well technically your current boyfriend, is what the
Speaker 1: accusation was. I think, why do you think he made
Speaker 1: that up? Because I stand with you in this situation
Speaker 1: because if you had an iPad, they would have shown it,
Speaker 1: right and there's really nowhere for you to hide on
Speaker 1: the show. And I guess I don't know, and you
Speaker 1: may not even be able to answer for Sean, But
Speaker 1: where does he pull that out of?
Speaker 4: Is that just like or do you think it didn't
Speaker 4: start with Sean. Do you think it might have started
Speaker 4: with your ex?
Speaker 8: I think it was a combination. I do know that.
Speaker 7: What ended up happening when they got voted off and
Speaker 7: they were put in that hotel was he called my
Speaker 7: ex and said things about what I was doing in
Speaker 7: Paradise that ultimately also weren't true, such as like saying
Speaker 7: I was talking on camera about him cheating on me
Speaker 7: and kind of getting him rolled up at least sounds
Speaker 7: like so. I don't really know what was exchanged in
Speaker 7: that conversation that led him to say something to that extent,
Speaker 7: But as you see, it was an iPad or was
Speaker 7: it a laptop? Like, if you're going to speak on
Speaker 7: something with so much like that has a lot of weight,
Speaker 7: I think it would be in your best interest to
Speaker 7: make sure you have your facts aligned. I can't speak
Speaker 7: on why he did what he did or what she
Speaker 7: did what she did or said it to that way,
Speaker 7: but I still don't know from even like what my
Speaker 7: ex had said. I know that for sure there was
Speaker 7: no receipts because there's nothing to give, And yeah, I
Speaker 7: don't know. I do know that it was a lot
Speaker 7: of Yeah, the conversation that was had was not accurate
Speaker 7: from both ends.
Speaker 4: Do you think that the accusations changed the way the
Speaker 4: vote would have gone? No, yeah, it didn't look like it.
Speaker 8: And I said it that I was like, I love
Speaker 8: where we're at.
Speaker 7: Like I thought that the three final couples were the
Speaker 7: three final couples that really did deserve to be there,
Speaker 7: and like had not to say that Bailey and Jeremy didn't,
Speaker 7: but they face a little bit more adversity in my opinion,
Speaker 7: But if it was the final four, I would love
Speaker 7: that too. I just like loved that we were where
Speaker 7: we were at, and I felt like we deserved to
Speaker 7: be there, and whatever happened afterwards, I was I was
Speaker 7: fine with anybody who were to win or deserved to
Speaker 7: lave as like a little bit more financially stable from
Speaker 7: the money. So when we lost the challenge and it
Speaker 7: came down to Justin Spencer from an outsider looking in,
Speaker 7: obviously they would be the couple to go forward, just
Speaker 7: based on their relationship that they saw. But I've always
Speaker 7: said it's hard because not one couple is better than
Speaker 7: the other. It's we're all in our own relationships and
Speaker 7: I think we all have our own unique things It
Speaker 7: just depends, but yeah, they definitely Yeah, like that.
Speaker 5: Home, we knew like with the pointed Questions challenge or whatever,
Speaker 5: as we're reading through the you know, the questions that
Speaker 5: you know are going to be asked and we you know,
Speaker 5: are tallying stuff up. We knew there was no way
Speaker 5: we were winning.
Speaker 3: That and people off. But it's also like, I feel
Speaker 3: like we were very direct.
Speaker 5: If we didn't agree with something, you know, we communicated it.
Speaker 5: And yeah, we were pretty firm with like, you know,
Speaker 5: I let most people know if I was voting for
Speaker 5: him right before the Rose ceremony, so they always knew
Speaker 5: where I stood. And when people are coming back, even
Speaker 5: if there's not ill will uh, some of those things
Speaker 5: are gonna definitely come back around. And also just the
Speaker 5: nature of it, right, but some of the people who
Speaker 5: had left it, it was gonna be a tough go
Speaker 5: for us. But we said even going into it, like
Speaker 5: We're not going to sit and beg anybody for shit.
Speaker 5: We're gonna you know, be who we are. We can
Speaker 5: express and people can see, you know, how we built
Speaker 5: this here in Paradise. But ultimately it was out of
Speaker 5: our control that point, so whatever happened, we were good
Speaker 5: and uh, you know a little a little conflict at
Speaker 5: the end, but I think that set the foundation for
Speaker 5: us to you know, reset really look.
Speaker 8: At it helped me.
Speaker 7: I was like, Oh, this man is going to stand
Speaker 7: by me without even knowing anything. Like that's incredible. Like
Speaker 7: that actually like made our relationship so much stronger. I
Speaker 7: think they wanted it to do the opposite, but it
Speaker 7: was literally the weight of the world like put into
Speaker 7: real test timing and in that situation, and it really
Speaker 7: helped me like see him for who he fully fully is,
Speaker 7: and you don't really get.
Speaker 8: That opportunity that much in those settings.
Speaker 1: So kind of you think do you think do you
Speaker 1: think if Dale had a few more roses in him
Speaker 1: he would have handled that differently? No, Dale, I want
Speaker 1: to ask you a serious question. Dal You did really
Speaker 1: handle that like very mature. It was very mature of you,
Speaker 1: because I think most people in that situation and on
Speaker 1: that show, and it is a pressure cooker and there's
Speaker 1: so much to think about and you're near the end
Speaker 1: would have been like, well, what the fuck is going
Speaker 1: on here? Do you have a boyfriend? I mean, this
Speaker 1: all seems pretty legit. What is going on? Why did
Speaker 1: you handle it the way you did.
Speaker 5: I mean, for me, whatever situation happened, it's something that
Speaker 5: we could have the conversations and figure it out after
Speaker 5: the fact. I don't think it was handled the right way.
Speaker 5: I would have never handled it in that setting. And yeah,
Speaker 5: there were definitely moments where I really had to bite
Speaker 5: my tongue because I wanted to pop off, but it
Speaker 5: didn't serve anything, and it was less about me and
Speaker 5: it was more about Kat in that situation, you know,
Speaker 5: regardless of what happened, Like I was going to be fine, right,
Speaker 5: Like if there's hurt and everything, that's okay. But you know,
Speaker 5: there was never a time where I was I was
Speaker 5: going to try to throw her under the bus and
Speaker 5: pile on. But like it was really really intense in
Speaker 5: real time. I go for a walk and the entire
Speaker 5: group of everybody's walking with me, Sean comes over, Andrew, Jeremy, everybody,
Speaker 5: and there we're.
Speaker 3: Trying to look out for you. We just want you
Speaker 3: to be happy, like YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 5: And in all those settings too, I was like, look,
Speaker 5: I don't care what's going on right now. All I
Speaker 5: care about is how Cat's doing and whatever else comes
Speaker 5: out like we can figure it out, but this whole situation, like,
Speaker 5: I'm just kind of done with it, So you can
Speaker 5: say whatever you want, it's not going to change how
Speaker 5: I'm going to act. I'm grown, I'm fine, like, but
Speaker 5: I want to, you know, make sure she's okay. And
Speaker 5: we could work everything else out and figure it out
Speaker 5: after the fact, so I don't know, I'm always going
Speaker 5: to go to the source. And it did create you know,
Speaker 5: where we had to have some conversations after the fact,
Speaker 5: but that's all stuff that we could work out.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: We had gone through the whole Paradise experience together, so
Speaker 5: like we were going to finish it together.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was it was a lot longer in real time.
Speaker 7: It was like he was going for a while, and
Speaker 7: that's when I started to have a panic attack because
Speaker 7: I was like I just felt like so powerless in
Speaker 7: that moment, and it was less about what he was saying.
Speaker 8: It was more about the environment and like where that
Speaker 8: brought me back.
Speaker 7: To, and I was just in no capacity to even
Speaker 7: speak to anyone, and all I cared about was Dale.
Speaker 7: So yeah, it was a lot more intense. And then
Speaker 7: even after you came back out, it sounded like it
Speaker 7: was really really a lot. So he did really.
Speaker 2: Well, if you guys, but if more rosees, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know now.
Speaker 8: Handled that, but he probably said a lot more.
Speaker 2: I don't worry, I am.
Speaker 3: I am good the moment, I didn't have as many roses.
Speaker 7: Like the Goldens were very very taken aback by that,
Speaker 7: because like they're like, what is this behavior?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, came at me like super sideways
Speaker 5: like if and again at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: it was just an intense environment and my main thing
Speaker 5: is like, look like I'm not even trying to hear
Speaker 5: this right now, Like this has been going on for
Speaker 5: X amount of time. Let me find Kat, let me
Speaker 5: make sure she's okay, we can talk, we can figure
Speaker 5: this out in the morning.
Speaker 3: And I just kind of left it at that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, Kat, going on paradise, How would you have
Speaker 9: described your relationship with your ex at the time.
Speaker 7: With my axe at the time, definitely not in a relationship,
Speaker 7: like there was no boyfriend girlfriend. I was seeing a
Speaker 7: few different people prior to going to Paradise, him being
Speaker 7: one of them, and he we reconnected probably like I
Speaker 7: would say, a month before I had left, But that
Speaker 7: was always known that I was going and you know,
Speaker 7: I've said this, and I think Hill Great wasn't the
Speaker 7: healthiest and it was one of those kind of attachments
Speaker 7: that I think we both needed to separate and see
Speaker 7: what was going to be the case. And that's what
Speaker 7: I used Paradise for. So I was coming in hopeful
Speaker 7: but still like fearful of the experience. It hasn't worked
Speaker 7: out so great in the beginning or in the previous years.
Speaker 7: So I wasn't like, oh, I'm for sure going to
Speaker 7: meet someone, like in my head, I'm not like I'm
Speaker 7: going to leave knowing or with my person again. It
Speaker 7: was very open to like possibly just coming home alone
Speaker 7: and that was okay. But I think just like an
Speaker 7: average like you know, normal dating, seeing someone but with
Speaker 7: no like attachments to our titles, to our relationship at all,
Speaker 7: and he can one hundred percent testify to that and
Speaker 7: agree to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Rosta or even Andrew said in the reunion
Speaker 5: like it's like, yo, whatever happens, because at the end,
Speaker 5: it's like close, any loose ends that.
Speaker 8: But I was dating stuff.
Speaker 7: A lot of people were dating because like that's what
Speaker 7: we're allowed to do. Like I think in previous years,
Speaker 7: we were like, let's not live our life before because
Speaker 7: we want to find our person in paradise. But we
Speaker 7: learned that that's not always going to be the case.
Speaker 7: And if you do limit yourself prior, then you almost
Speaker 7: come in with so much like expectations of how you're
Speaker 7: supposed to leave.
Speaker 8: And then that changed.
Speaker 5: Johnnerry talked about that, like really clearly that he felt
Speaker 5: because the build up to Paradise was so intense for him,
Speaker 5: and like each time, like if it wasn't someone that
Speaker 5: he was matching with, it, he just got lower and
Speaker 5: lower and just felt less.
Speaker 7: He gave up all my links before and like, so
Speaker 7: that was just something I wasn't willing to do in
Speaker 7: this time, Like I was still going to date and
Speaker 7: live my.
Speaker 8: Life and and go on a dating show. Like why
Speaker 8: are you going to stop dating? We're going on a
Speaker 8: dating show.
Speaker 4: So if you guys had made it to the end,
Speaker 4: you're the only couple. Okay, five hundred k is on
Speaker 4: the table. Do you think you one of you might
Speaker 4: have taken the money? Like is it something you thought
Speaker 4: about or talked about at all?
Speaker 1: And to add on to that real quick, do we
Speaker 1: know like if you could there have been a side
Speaker 1: deal made.
Speaker 3: Could like you could take the money and then just
Speaker 3: figure it out after.
Speaker 2: That's that's what we've been wondering.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would have to have something in writing where
Speaker 7: I'm like, you better share that with me. But if
Speaker 7: it came down to, like should we give up half
Speaker 7: a million dollars and when we could just after, Like
Speaker 7: I just I didn't understand how you could choose love
Speaker 7: our money when like we have free will.
Speaker 3: So you never thought about that or conversation.
Speaker 8: I didn't even know that was an option, Like, we
Speaker 8: didn't even think about that.
Speaker 7: But if it was five hundred k, that's different than
Speaker 7: two hundred and fifty k too, even like it's just
Speaker 7: I don't really know.
Speaker 8: What we would do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I never really thought about that, like some people
Speaker 5: are because a lot like Kathy's like I take them
Speaker 5: money and you know, and then even we're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: we could take the money.
Speaker 3: And then we could just do this after anyway, because
Speaker 3: so I didn't understand that, I think until you're in
Speaker 3: that situation. But uh, it'd be a conversation, you know.
Speaker 1: I think the show, I think the show needs to
Speaker 1: draw a clearer line on that. What it means to
Speaker 1: take the money and what it means to not take
Speaker 1: the money, because like yeah, like.
Speaker 4: Because Joe and I was like, we're definitely I'm at
Speaker 4: the very least seriously considering taking it. I'm probably taking it,
Speaker 4: and then I'm gonna be like, but we'll split it
Speaker 4: on the back end and then we'll date the minute
Speaker 4: we get out of here, like we're get we're getting
Speaker 4: both somehow.
Speaker 2: So they need to have some definitive rules.
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's no there's no rules, are you
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 8: So season was let me throw something at the wall
Speaker 8: and see what, you know stick, So that was one.
Speaker 5: Let's take the money and then we'll just meet up
Speaker 5: after and we'll just keep doing this thing.
Speaker 7: Trying to I think that was one of the things
Speaker 7: that these are like the kinks that they're going to
Speaker 7: work out, And I think ares was kind of like
Speaker 7: the guinea pigs for even the challenges, Like, yeah, the
Speaker 7: first time doing something like this, so I'm giving them grace.
Speaker 3: But I mean we didn't have to make the decision,
Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You guys are officially boyfriend and girlfriend, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are officially you know, after the show, like
Speaker 3: we definitely.
Speaker 1: Can't don't go on any other dating shows.
Speaker 3: Cat, you're like starting the relationship.
Speaker 5: But we were very very open on like how this works,
Speaker 5: like what needs to happen, things that had come up
Speaker 5: with with both of us, and you know, so I
Speaker 5: think like that that initial month was really.
Speaker 8: Like getting the kinks out, getting yeah.
Speaker 5: I'd say, getting the kinks out, and then also like
Speaker 5: addressing things very very you know, upfront and everything like that,
Speaker 5: and without question, you know, like August is and you know,
Speaker 5: the strongest moving in the right direction, and it just
Speaker 5: takes time because when you're in paradise and you're in
Speaker 5: like this controlled environment, you're in a routine each and
Speaker 5: every day.
Speaker 3: And then you know, the way it ended, there were.
Speaker 5: Things that you know, we had to communicate about, and
Speaker 5: you don't have crossover in each other's lives, you know,
Speaker 5: so like I mean even yeah, she ain't even like
Speaker 5: can't do with any of my friends yet.
Speaker 7: Well, the thing is just like what I learned the
Speaker 7: first time, It's like you have paradise, you have this
Speaker 7: place where like it's you know, La La land, but
Speaker 7: then you have your work and you have your priorities,
Speaker 7: and you have your family and you have things and
Speaker 7: it's like, Okay, how do we make each other fit
Speaker 7: into that? And that's like a very big test And
Speaker 7: then through the fact that we're watching something on television
Speaker 7: abount relationship outside opinions. Then you have to throw into
Speaker 7: the fact that we can't even live a normal life,
Speaker 7: like which keeps us more separate because he does stuff
Speaker 7: for work that like I wouldn't be able to do.
Speaker 7: So it was a lot of things that like I
Speaker 7: feel like, if we can get through those hard moments
Speaker 7: after is that's the best thing ever. And I feel
Speaker 7: like it's a really good testimony to any relationship in
Speaker 7: this franchise that has been able to come through.
Speaker 3: But and you really start the relationship kind of now, yeah.
Speaker 8: Really really like phases calling the space two plus Phase
Speaker 8: two plus Phase one is air or filming.
Speaker 7: Phase two is airing and trying to But like us,
Speaker 7: being private was so hard, Like he wouldn't even go
Speaker 7: into your as station with me. It was like crazy,
Speaker 7: But he was still able to meet my family and everything.
Speaker 7: We got a hotel like privately and it was awesome,
Speaker 7: like still being able to share my life with him,
Speaker 7: and he's rent all my best friends and yeah, we
Speaker 7: were able to do as much as we could in private,
Speaker 7: but now I feel like, because when the fun.
Speaker 1: Can actually begin, well, how do you plan on navigating
Speaker 1: the opposite coast right now? Because, yeah, New York City
Speaker 1: and Diego, that is more difficult.
Speaker 5: I don't think through the end of the year, like,
Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be that difficult. You know,
Speaker 5: Cat's schedule is a little bit more restrictive than mine. Obviously,
Speaker 5: you know, I'll still be traveling and things like that,
Speaker 5: but you know, I've also to start off September. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm spending as much time here as I can. We've
Speaker 5: already got trips planned to New York Saint Martin in November.
Speaker 3: We haven't put those dates yet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's you know, we're still getting a lot
Speaker 5: of time, and some of that gap is going to
Speaker 5: be closed, like in a random location, right.
Speaker 3: I've been in.
Speaker 7: Long distance relationships like a lot and it was hard.
Speaker 7: But in this one, even in the fact that we
Speaker 7: haven't been able to live our normal life, I've seen
Speaker 7: him more on a monthly basis that I had in
Speaker 7: my actual real life long distance relationships. I think he
Speaker 7: has the means and ability to make that effort and
Speaker 7: prioritize like connection, and as long as we're both moving
Speaker 7: to that, then I think that's going to be.
Speaker 8: That's what keeps it totally fine.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because it's not like you're like in New York
Speaker 7: twenty four to seven, like and we're like living in
Speaker 7: this like different time zone. Like he'll stay here for
Speaker 7: a week at a time, and like now I can
Speaker 7: actually go there and stuff like that, or go with
Speaker 7: him on his little trips I'm just going to tag
Speaker 7: along on but I don't.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And that was one of my first questions too,
Speaker 8: because I didn't really want to do that.
Speaker 7: But his previously ship was long distance and it was
Speaker 7: never an issue and that kind of made me feel
Speaker 7: a little bit more comfortable, Like, Okay, despite the distance,
Speaker 7: it can still make it work. And as long as
Speaker 7: we're both working towards bridging that gap ultimately when the
Speaker 7: time is right, then I think that's what matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I mean if both people want to
Speaker 1: make it work, you can make it work.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And y'allah, I mean y'all know obviously, like.
Speaker 5: You know, with how your relationship with I don't know
Speaker 5: how long it was till you were you know in
Speaker 5: the same.
Speaker 3: Day he love you, guys, nobody takes it takes time.
Speaker 5: You can have ideas like and I have a lot
Speaker 5: of flexibility, but you know, it still takes time to
Speaker 5: transition and then make a decision on what's right. You know,
Speaker 5: you also have to look at the future of like okay,
Speaker 5: like two years from now, like where.
Speaker 3: Where do you want to be?
Speaker 5: And so those conversations are easy ones to have.
Speaker 3: It's it's not difficult.
Speaker 5: She knows some of the core plans and things that
Speaker 5: I have to do for whether it's business you know, uh,
Speaker 5: tax purposes, all those like types of things. But right now,
Speaker 5: like those are things that all work itself out and
Speaker 5: we're not putting too much pressure on it. I guess,
Speaker 5: you know, I just have a few more flights booked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really just about having fun right now, Like
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing. And the more you enjoy each other,
Speaker 1: the more you'll make time to see each other and
Speaker 1: you in your guys's opinion at the time, do you
Speaker 1: think if the show is based off of the strongest
Speaker 1: couples make it to the end, do you agree with
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 8: It ended, like the two that I'm sure like how
Speaker 8: we all.
Speaker 1: Do you think the two that were the like the end,
Speaker 1: so Andrew and Alex and Justin Spencer, do you think
Speaker 1: they at the time wore the two strongest couples.
Speaker 5: I mean, I like we talked about this on the reunion.
Speaker 5: Everyone has different phases of where they're at and the development, right,
Speaker 5: you come in at different times. Cat and I in
Speaker 5: our opinion, like we're as strong as anybody. I think
Speaker 5: we were very sick. We were very open obviously Spence
Speaker 5: and Jess we're lock and key. At the beginning, we
Speaker 5: knew there was no there was no engagement that was
Speaker 5: happening in Paradise for either of us, and yeah, it
Speaker 5: just loven't happening.
Speaker 3: But we also went through a lot of things.
Speaker 5: On the show, you know, with people coming in with controversy,
Speaker 5: a little conflict with us that was really easy for
Speaker 5: us to move past.
Speaker 10: So I think, and I mean they're beautiful in their
Speaker 10: own way, Like they have this like quick fast love
Speaker 10: that I don't think either of them anticipated coming into
Speaker 10: Paradise to experience.
Speaker 8: And then you have Justin Spencer who are like just
Speaker 8: so in love, Like I've actually never seen something like
Speaker 8: that in real time, Like coming off even like I'm like,
Speaker 8: you guys are so in love, and I think we
Speaker 8: all just have in Jeremy and Bailey even like the
Speaker 8: most I think least expected couple, but they, I.
Speaker 5: Mean and Bailey had like a really really good, really
Speaker 5: good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have.
Speaker 7: Each other down, like they hold each other down, and
Speaker 7: I love that about them. So it's just we all
Speaker 7: have our own differential, unique qualities in each relationship that
Speaker 7: it's really difficult to say one is stronger than the
Speaker 7: other because it just depends on what you determine or
Speaker 7: like it's subjective, right, But.
Speaker 5: The way the way it finished, like we're not mad
Speaker 5: about it, obviously we would like to be there, you know,
Speaker 5: I'll I'll take the take the l which was hard
Speaker 5: in the physical challenge, but uh yeah, we're good with it.
Speaker 1: And how mad were How mad were you when you
Speaker 1: lost that challenge on a scale of one through ten,
Speaker 1: So that I.
Speaker 5: Didn't know, so I tore my triceph before filming got cleared.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that I tore my lap as well
Speaker 5: at the same time until halfway through filming, so like
Speaker 5: we're getting ready for the final and then spent like
Speaker 5: I'm talking with Spencer, like, what's.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen? Did you figure it out? Like
Speaker 2: did you go get checked out?
Speaker 3: I was doing a.
Speaker 5: Like like stretching in a push up in a row
Speaker 5: and like I.
Speaker 2: Could feel here, I feel the separation.
Speaker 5: Everything is, yeah, torn off the backside of my lap.
Speaker 5: And it was fine, Like I didn't think anything of
Speaker 5: it because we didn't have any physical challenges. But the
Speaker 5: day of the Way to the World, I'm talking with Spencer.
Speaker 5: I was like, you don't think it's going to be
Speaker 5: anything physical, right, He's like, oh no, we haven't done
Speaker 5: anything up until that point.
Speaker 3: And then we get there and we look at each
Speaker 3: other and I was.
Speaker 7: Like, they wait us the day before too, So I
Speaker 7: was like, I'm fucked and then crushed out almost after
Speaker 7: every like it was difficult because He's challenges besides, honestly,
Speaker 7: the one that we won were so subjective and like
Speaker 7: difficult to like.
Speaker 5: There were some challenges you weren't going to win, So
Speaker 5: what were frustrating because you want to win the challenge,
Speaker 5: you want to get uh immunity and everything. That Way
Speaker 5: to the World was frustrating because I've never that was
Speaker 5: the first time in my life I've ever felt at
Speaker 5: a disadvantage or vulnerable physically if I was fully healthy,
Speaker 5: Like I couldn't even feel my right side of the
Speaker 5: body after the challenge, my left side I was fine,
Speaker 5: this was just destroyed.
Speaker 3: But I also did the challenge.
Speaker 5: I wasn't going to try to back out because it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, anything can happen, and it's like we're.
Speaker 3: Here, like let's let's just let's just rip it.
Speaker 4: Let's just rip it Dale. What's your horoscope sign? Libra
Speaker 4: Kat does that work for you?
Speaker 7: I've actually needed a few libras. Surprisingly, it's not about
Speaker 7: the horoscope. I've already analyzed his birth Turt. I'm pretty
Speaker 7: sure you're a double Libra actually, But yeah, it's all
Speaker 7: about balance, and I think that that is what I
Speaker 7: need most, and so I think he has really kind
Speaker 7: of just been that like sounding board of balance for
Speaker 7: both of us essentially.
Speaker 6: But I feel like you guys balance each other in
Speaker 6: like nice ways.
Speaker 5: Yeah, different ways, but it's I'm also like super like
Speaker 5: punctual prudent, like like to my detriment, like if it
Speaker 5: comes logistics, schedules, timing, I'm almost like.
Speaker 3: Obsessive about it. But that's also because of sports.
Speaker 5: I think life is just crazy at times, and there's
Speaker 5: so many like areas that I have to have like
Speaker 5: very very detailed, consistent like planning. But it's I also
Speaker 5: realizing what you know, we've had to kind of navigate
Speaker 5: is you know, I can't always be on I gotta
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes just let things ride around this lest
Speaker 5: the flow be a.
Speaker 7: Little goofy, like just just just feel a little feels.
Speaker 7: But yeah, he also helps me like that that type
Speaker 7: of energy mode.
Speaker 8: But it's me too, so thank Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 8: of balance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and well, exciting time for both of us right now.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listen, I like both of you a lot,
Speaker 1: and I really think it could work and I hope
Speaker 1: it does. And next time you're in New York, we
Speaker 1: should get dinner. But that's really all we got for
Speaker 1: you today.
Speaker 8: You guys are in New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah, New York.
Speaker 7: Wait, so we could hang out with our friends every
Speaker 7: New York.
Speaker 8: I love New York.
Speaker 7: My family's from there, so that's like my most visited city.
Speaker 7: So it's it's awesome. But yeah, we're very excited that
Speaker 7: we know.
Speaker 3: All the thoughts.
Speaker 5: I don't know if we're doing fashion week, not I
Speaker 5: don't I don't know about the fashion week craze though
Speaker 5: we'll see.
Speaker 2: You know now you're going to miss out.
Speaker 8: It's just it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot.
Speaker 3: It's a lot. Yeah, but it is once and everybody.
Speaker 3: But regardless, like we I.
Speaker 8: Think so much life to live. I'm very excited for.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's just fun things that you know, we're we're
Speaker 5: gonna be able to do. And I think that what's
Speaker 5: really cool is we go into this phase now we
Speaker 5: get experience new things together. It could be the same
Speaker 5: thing that we experience alone, but it's going to completely
Speaker 5: change because you're with someone. And I'm excited because there's
Speaker 5: a lot of things that you know, I'll be able
Speaker 5: to show and like kind of open up my world.
Speaker 3: To Kat and like that.
Speaker 5: That excites me because there's so many things I've done
Speaker 5: by myself for so long, which I'm fine doing.
Speaker 3: I've gotten used.
Speaker 5: To it, but I you know, I life is the
Speaker 5: best thing is being able to share it with your
Speaker 5: partner or people you love and care about.
Speaker 3: So we've got some fun things ahead.
Speaker 8: We're excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well we're excited for you guys.
Speaker 4: We're excited to follow along you know, you got the
Speaker 4: holidays coming up, meeting each other's, you know, more friends
Speaker 4: and family.
Speaker 6: So yeah, we're just wishing.
Speaker 2: You guys all the best. Thanks for coming on today The.
Speaker 7: Dread in November, guys, I've been broken up for two
Speaker 7: years in a row, in.
Speaker 4: A row in November, November, Thanksgiving week, like at least Christmas.
Speaker 5: Fun fact, December is the busiest time of year for
Speaker 5: dating apps.
Speaker 3: And that's because people.
Speaker 8: They guess, they just break up their friends.
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving because everyone's going back for the holidays.
Speaker 2: Turkey dumb, turkey dumb.
Speaker 7: We're gonna hold it down, Yeah, memories because yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Can't be doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it's a thing. It's a thing.
Speaker 4: We're going to break the cycle, you know, ThReD Times,
Speaker 4: the charm Cat.
Speaker 2: This is your November girl.
Speaker 1: I have faith in you, guys. I have faith in
Speaker 1: you guys. And to all our listeners, thank you guys
Speaker 1: so much for tuning in to beat your happy hour.
Speaker 1: Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening.
Speaker 4: Bye.