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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. It is Thursday, let's see August

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Speaker 2: donks and doncats four Morning Combat Extra and all UFC

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Speaker 2: anything else but that. Hi. Everyone, my name is Luke

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Speaker 2: Thomas on one half of your hosting duo The Gentlemen

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Speaker 2: over there, you know from CBS Sports as well as

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Speaker 2: It is Brian Campbell BC. I'm pretty pumped for UFC

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Speaker 2: two fifty two. Where is the you know, fired up

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Speaker 1: My thing is my thing's pointing up? Word? Jay? Can

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Speaker 1: you shut your micael off?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Jay? You want a Muture microphone there, genius? Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Jay.

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Speaker 1: I know you're on a conference call here during our

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Speaker 3: But Luke, you know me, I'm easy offendi bag and

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Speaker 3: a bad attitude. That's all I need to get me

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Speaker 3: what I consider to be the most prestigious and important

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Speaker 3: fight in UFC history. Yeah, I just took out my

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Speaker 3: I think it's true, Luke, this fight on Saturday matters,

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's get to it here very quickly

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Speaker 2: fifty two edition of the show. Is there anything we

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Speaker 2: you know, so Jay can go to his precious conference

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 3: Luke, you celebrated your forty fourth birthday last week, which

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Speaker 3: we talked about. But look, friend of the program, maybe

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Speaker 3: The great Greek god of thunder and graphics, Christo's Cristo Foros.

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Speaker 3: This might be his best work. He's got two surprises

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Speaker 3: to how many times on this show and on that

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Speaker 3: honestly mentioned at forty one birthdays kind of suck.

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Speaker 1: It's Father's day. That what matters. So Jay, can you

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Speaker 1: to celebrate that notion and Luke, Yes, Morning Combat. All

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Speaker 2: That is awesome. That is great. What is the uh?

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Speaker 2: What is the Is this from the Schwarzenegger movie where

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Speaker 2: It was Danny DeVito. No, but he wasn't pregnant in

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Speaker 2: that movie. It was a different movie.

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Speaker 3: No, this was the Arnold Pregnant movie that I refused

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Speaker 1: And that just blows my mind, Luke.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited, and I feel like all the people

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Speaker 2: You know it's weird. It's like I didn't see DC

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Speaker 3: Look, that's a fair way to say it. I am

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Speaker 3: that Kane's the greatest heavyweight I've ever seen. I know

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Speaker 3: He's in that conversation for greatest heavyweight. The resume is

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Speaker 3: But if we just made that long argument that Steepe

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Speaker 2: So I mean again, it's not like I'm super marry

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Speaker 2: please just quickly to make the case for Miocic. The

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Speaker 2: whole point here is he has had three losses in

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Speaker 2: his career struve uh DC and JDS. He has avenged

435
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Speaker 2: two of them, and you couldn't even make the stream

436
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,480
Speaker 2: knock match. It wouldn't even make sense at this point.

437
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Speaker 2: So to me, when you're a guy who can basically

438
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Speaker 2: say you've avenged all your losses and you hold UFC gold,

439
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Speaker 2: that's what Saint Pierre was able to say. That is

440
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Speaker 2: very very that's not excluish exactly.

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Speaker 1: There two losses, avenged them both by knockout.

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Speaker 3: Look Stepe's ten and two since the step and Struve

443
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Speaker 3: loss avenged both of those guys and has knocked out

444
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Speaker 3: everyone except for what he went the distance with, and god,

445
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Speaker 3: it was an incredible win.

446
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Speaker 1: And then who was the other early one he went

447
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Speaker 1: the distance with?

448
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Speaker 2: Was it right? I forget all right? But Jeds, maybe.

449
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Speaker 3: I want to hit you with a couple he lost

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Speaker 3: the decision to JDS. Let me hit you with a

451
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Speaker 3: couple of light round ones about this topic, Luke, Okay,

452
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Speaker 3: real quick, why do people kick my Randy Katuur argument

453
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Speaker 3: to the curb when I can argue that he was

454
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Speaker 3: a top the heavyweight game almost in like two or

455
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Speaker 3: three mini eras back when it was like archaic and

456
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Speaker 3: you wore shoes all the way through until he lost

457
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Speaker 3: to Brock And I know that his level of competition

458
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Speaker 3: wasn't great, But you have to understand, Luke, if it

459
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Speaker 3: wasn't for politics, Randy Kutur would have already had the

460
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Speaker 3: defense record locked up.

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Speaker 2: Yes, why do they dismiss it? One because he's small.

462
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Speaker 2: Two he is more commonly associated with light heavyweight, which

463
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Speaker 2: is not really fair, but he just is three. The

464
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Speaker 2: UFC has kind of, you know, forgotten him a little bit,

465
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Speaker 2: kind of Frank Shamrock esque, given some of the disputes

466
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Speaker 2: he has had with them. And I also just feel like,

467
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Speaker 2: not that the argument is poor, but that here's the thing.

468
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Speaker 2: What are his two best wins in modern MMA at heavyweight?

469
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Speaker 2: The Tim Sylvia win and then the Gonzaga win. Those

470
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Speaker 2: are the two biggest ones, And those are good, those

471
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Speaker 2: are great. But I think that a lot of folks

472
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Speaker 2: would say, you lost to Barnett when you had a chance,

473
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Speaker 2: even though you know he popped in that fight, and

474
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Speaker 2: you did some other good work at heavyweight, but your

475
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 2: two best wins are those. Sure, you may have gone

476
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Speaker 2: between two divisions many eras, but if we're just counting

477
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Speaker 2: your best wins, they don't count as much.

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Speaker 1: And Randy has more in the emotional bank where I

479
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Speaker 1: want to overrate him because you know, he defied age

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Speaker 1: even though let's be.

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Speaker 3: Look, look, I don't want to one day, you know,

482
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Speaker 3: be old and find out. My favorite sluggers were all juicing.

483
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Speaker 3: But you know, Manny Packyo during that run when he

484
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Speaker 3: rose up, I'd like to see his blood test. Okay,

485
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Speaker 3: Randy Gutar forty five and forty six, I'd like to

486
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Speaker 3: see his blood test.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I love the Expendables movies.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying what you think I'm saying, but I

490
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Speaker 3: might be saying that anyway. Let me come back at

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Speaker 3: you with another kind of zinger here.

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Speaker 1: I talked to DC this week. He was freaking great.

493
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Speaker 3: But on one hand, Luke, the reason why I love him

494
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: is because, unlike a lot of fighters, he tells you,

495
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Speaker 3: I care about legacy.

496
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Speaker 1: This fight's all about legacy.

497
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Speaker 3: But on the other hand, when I get really pinpoint

498
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Speaker 3: on his legacy, when I really dig in and get

499
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Speaker 3: get thickle, that's when he says, look, this fight against

500
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Speaker 3: Stepe on Saturday, my legacy's already secured. Nobody else can

501
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Speaker 3: take away from me. So here's the scenario. I mean,

502
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Speaker 3: what is it DC's and one or the other.

503
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Speaker 1: Here's the scenario I want to hit you with.

504
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Speaker 3: I put him in that goat table when he knocked

505
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Speaker 3: out Steepey when DC lost the rematch to are a

506
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Speaker 3: lot of people who like dude, pull him back a little, Okay,

507
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Speaker 3: pull him back a little. If he loses to Stepe

508
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Speaker 3: on Saturday, does he lose the right to be in

509
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Speaker 3: the larger greatest.

510
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Speaker 1: Of all time conversation?

511
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Speaker 3: Because of although he was a two division champion, he

512
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Speaker 3: never beat the best guy, John Jones, despite two chances,

513
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Speaker 3: and while at heavyweight, he would have lost twice to

514
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Speaker 3: the greatest heavyweight steepe if he wins on Saturday and

515
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Speaker 3: never got a chance to beat the other guy in

516
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Speaker 3: the argument for greatest havyweight came Velaska is because he

517
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Speaker 3: was such a great friend.

518
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Speaker 1: It kind of yes, it would be hard. I have

519
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Speaker 1: to be honest.

520
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Speaker 3: If DC loses on Saturday, it one winner. Loss shouldn't

521
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Speaker 3: remove you, but it would. It would remove him from

522
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Speaker 3: that goat consideration.

523
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Speaker 2: It probably well, it depends how he loses. You know,

524
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Speaker 2: Let's say he gets stopped again or something that might

525
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Speaker 2: because it wouldn't be that the first win was a fluke.

526
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Speaker 2: It would be that you couldn't do it twice. You

527
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Speaker 2: could not say the reasons I beat him the first

528
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Speaker 2: time were replicable. I could show you that I had

529
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Speaker 2: skill over time against this guy two years, three times fighting,

530
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Speaker 2: you come up short twice. That is good evidence that

531
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Speaker 2: the other guy was not really better on those evenings,

532
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Speaker 2: but probably better overall. And so you could not discount

533
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Speaker 2: the validity of the first win. But in the totality

534
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Speaker 2: of the resume, the question is all was how long

535
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Speaker 2: are your title reigns? What contemporaries did you beat? You know,

536
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Speaker 2: what belts did you hold? He's got some of those

537
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Speaker 2: bocks is checked off. But in terms of length, in

538
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Speaker 2: terms of avenging losses, in terms of sort of rightfully

539
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Speaker 2: staking acclaim he would come up short at light heavyweight

540
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Speaker 2: by virtue of you'd get the belt by virtue of

541
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Speaker 2: John's absence, and he didn't get up by virtue of

542
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Speaker 2: Stepe's absence, but he couldn't hold onto it when he regrouped.

543
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Speaker 2: If that's the end of the thing that happened. So, yes,

544
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Speaker 2: I do think it wouldn't. I mean, he would still

545
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Speaker 2: be one of these guys that were like how many

546
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 2: guys were two time champions simultaneously, just him and Connor

547
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Speaker 2: or I guess him Connor now and Henry Suhudo. So

548
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Speaker 2: three people have done it, not many, two in the

549
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Speaker 2: same Olympic team. Still, it would put a couple of

550
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Speaker 2: conditions on assessing his.

551
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Speaker 3: Great And there's nothing wrong with being in that second

552
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Speaker 3: tier of greatest fighters. Ever, if you're sitting at the

553
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Speaker 3: table with Josialdo and Connor and Max Holloway and whoever

554
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Speaker 3: you want to throw in there that are in that

555
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 3: second tier Bjpenn, Randy Cotuur, that's fine, but there has

556
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Speaker 3: to be levels to the discussion of whether you're at

557
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Speaker 3: the top table.

558
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Speaker 1: Now to close, I want to ask you this.

559
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Speaker 3: I did ask DC what would happen if you were

560
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Speaker 3: never such a great friend, if you never did two.

561
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Speaker 1: O five in light heavyweight?

562
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Speaker 2: Now.

563
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Speaker 1: I liked his answer.

564
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Speaker 3: He said, look, without going down to two o five

565
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Speaker 3: and proving to people that I can fight in two divisions,

566
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be in the conversation for the goat table.

567
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Speaker 3: I respect that, But here's where I want to ask

568
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: your opinion. Luke his other beef with me, saying, you know, hey,

569
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Speaker 3: you could have already been the greatest heavyweight of all

570
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Speaker 3: time if you stayed at heavyweight and weren't such a

571
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 3: great friend. As he goes, look, I've been fighting Kane

572
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 3: Balaska's in the gym for years. You know that guy

573
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 3: is still scary to me today. Blah blah blah. I said, hey, DC, look,

574
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Speaker 3: you can be real nice, You canna be a great friend,

575
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: but are you gonna Rocky three his ass?

576
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: After this?

577
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: If you beat stepe A and people are calling you

578
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 3: the greatest heavyweight, does Kane text you and say, dude,

579
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: meet me in the gym, no cameras, no witnesses ding

580
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 3: ding okay, like.

581
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Speaker 1: Rocky and Apollo. And he's like, oh no. So he

582
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: did the friend response. He said, oh no, you know

583
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: I've been hit three quarters power by Kane. I don't

584
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: want to get hit the full way. I want to

585
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Speaker 1: ask you this what makes DC maybe the best interview

586
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Speaker 1: in the game.

587
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Speaker 3: He's media trained in savvy, he's fun and gregarious. He's

588
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 3: also really honest. Is he actually being honest when he

589
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: does this? Has he been ground up so many times

590
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 3: by Caine through the years in the gym that he's

591
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 3: just like, Look. Part of the reason why I was

592
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 3: such a great friend and went to two five was

593
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 3: because I knew I couldn't beat that guy, and I

594
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: didn't want to break the relationship, or does he maybe

595
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Speaker 3: think maybe and I'm not saying this, but I'm presenting it,

596
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: maybe think his friend is.

597
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: You know, a little soft doesn't want to muddle the waters.

598
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Speaker 3: Does DC know in his heart that if it was

599
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Speaker 3: go time against his buddy Caine, that he would have

600
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: won and he just doesn't want to say it to

601
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Speaker 3: keep harmony in the gym, because I tend to believe that,

602
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: all right.

603
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: So here's the answer that the best way I could

604
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: understand it, which is I'm not a prize fighter. I've

605
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: not trained in that kind of a way. But if

606
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: you've ever trained it all and you stayed a place

607
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: for a time, you developed not really friendships but training relationships,

608
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: relationships related to the mats themselves. And over time, I've

609
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: had a couple of guys who were like, that's my

610
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: number one training partner and I always go to because

611
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: they were heavyweight. I was heavyweight, and we would sort

612
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: of duke it out. And what you find over time is,

613
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 2: especially if you'l like you're around the same development area,

614
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: what you find over time is that you know, yes,

615
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: certain times, like you know, months at a time, one

616
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 2: guy will be better than the other. Certain scenarios. One

617
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: guy will be bit better than the other, but we

618
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: have a really good training partner like that, What you

619
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: end up discovering is that I'm gonna get the best

620
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: of you, and you're gonna get the best of me.

621
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Speaker 2: And sometimes I'm gonna get my hand raised and sometimes

622
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna get your hand raised. And it happens so often.

623
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: I would tap him in practice, he would tap me

624
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: in practice, and then it would just take turns back

625
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: and forth. You no longer consider it one of those

626
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: tiered relationships. You have so many wins over them, they

627
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: have so many wins over you, you don't count anymore. You

628
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: don't even think about it that way. So look, could

629
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: it be the case that in certain times Cain was

630
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: much better and now DC is much better, or vice versa, like,

631
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: however you want to play it out where one guy

632
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: was more dominant than the other. I'm sure that's the case,

633
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 2: whatever one it is now, I don't know, but I

634
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: also know that, like, there have been times where DC

635
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: had a great day and fucked Cane up, And I

636
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: bet there's been days where Kane absolutely stuck it to him,

637
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, and really made him reconsider what he was doing.

638
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: And so when you do that, the score just gets lost.

639
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 2: Who cares at that point? I bet you it's more

640
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: something like that.

641
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: All right, well, let me let me put you on

642
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: the spot. Is he the best friend of all time?

643
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 3: Or is he the best businessman of all time? In

644
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: the decision he made to go to two o five.

645
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: A little bit of column A little bit of column B. Look,

646
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 2: if the condition was to train, you want to train

647
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: at Aka, here's the condition. You got to go down

648
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: to light heavyweight because Kane's a heavyweight guy. He made

649
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: that deal. Now that's a tough deal because the cut

650
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: was hard. But to the point he raised and you

651
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: just mentioned it allowed him to win titles in two

652
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: divisions by virtue of Kane's eventual absence. Right, that's the

653
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: first part, or in strikeforce, whatever you want to call it.

654
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: So there's that point. Two, It allowed him to carve

655
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: his own identity while still being close to Kane. I

656
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: think it's sort of a big part there. And three,

657
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: you know, partly there probably was some friendship involved there

658
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: where he doesn't want to do this thing. I don't

659
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: they don't like Akad used to answer, why, here's the thing,

660
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: remember Aka had lived through the Fitch Coshchek era of

661
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: are you guys going to fight each other? Are you

662
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: guys gonna It was every interview for years, and they

663
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: were probably like, you know what, you want to come

664
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: to this gym. This is our walterweight. You can be

665
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: somebody are you on that case? Walterweight? You can be

666
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: somebody else? But you can't be both. And that was

667
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: an easy way to solve the problem. So partly I

668
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: bet it was Jim Poitics. Now we got to move

669
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: on here quickly. I don't want to go away from

670
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: the fight. BC. I mentioned step A made headlines for

671
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: one thing, which was the size of the cage thirty

672
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: feet in diameter to twenty five feet in diameter, smaller cage.

673
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: There's some debates and some questions about what kind of

674
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: action that produces. But Stepe was not in favor of it.

675
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: Doesn't think it's gonna hurt his chances per se, but

676
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: he didn't like it. Do you like the small cage

677
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: for this particular fight? How do you think it changes it?

678
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: It's an interesting question.

679
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: We did have the debate in a more of a

680
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: general sense a couple of weeks ago, and I basically said,

681
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: you know, for title fights, I.

682
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: Wouldn't want it right. I'd want all things to be

683
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: largely equal.

684
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: And if if eighty percent of the time it's in

685
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: a big cage, and for title fights, you know ninety

686
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: nine percent of the time it's in the big cage,

687
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: then let's not change that, UFC. I'm sure you've got

688
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: a big cage around in Vegas that you can easily

689
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: reconstruct and make it happen.

690
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: It is what it is, though, Luke, So how is

691
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: it going to change it?

692
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: I mean DC does better in close areas, right, He's

693
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: such a great clinch fighter.

694
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: He's a better wrestler of the two.

695
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: So in theory, if this helps Steep Pay, if this

696
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: helps DC close distance and make it more of a

697
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: rough fight at close range, I could understand Steve Pay's

698
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: hesitance there.

699
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Steve Pay is not a

700
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: giant mover. I mean, he'll be the he has shown.

701
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: In the past he can be the you know, the

702
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: matador to the bull if he has the better handspeed

703
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: and techniques and he can set up his feints better.

704
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: He also can straight up be the damn bull and

705
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: walk you down and get you out of there. I

706
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: don't think it's going to change that much in the end.

707
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: I think it favors more when you have somebody who

708
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: has a distinct lack and a disadvantage of power.

709
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: Then when you're going to a small cage against a

710
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: big puncher, you're automatically gonna, you know, make things tighter.

711
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: These guys are fairly well rounded athletes. They both can bang,

712
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: they both have great chins. Small cage, large cage, phone booth.

713
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, Luke, I don't think

714
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: this is actually going to be a be a topic

715
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: we discussed afterwards.

716
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how I feel about it. Because

717
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: I went back and I watched. I got a dissected

718
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: coming out on this. I went back and I watched

719
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: both to see, like, what did DC do right? What

720
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: did Stepe do right in the first one? I mean,

721
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: he lost, but he did some things right. What did

722
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: he change into the second fight and vice versa? And

723
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: what I noticed was there are two things. One, there

724
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: are times when both guys are just not really moving,

725
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: usually in cases where Stepe is just accommodating DC in

726
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: his fight style, the whole patty cake thing right just

727
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: standing there. I mean it doesn't matter how big the

728
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: cage is if you're just gonna stand there. So like,

729
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: in that sense, it doesn't matter. And yet in the

730
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: first fight it was a pretty clear goal by Stepe

731
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: to get DC to the cage. Folks may not remember

732
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: that because of the way things ended, and the second

733
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: fight wasn't really like that at all, but the first

734
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: fight definitely was. He was pushing him to the fence constantly,

735
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: so I was thinking to myself, Wow, man, I don't know.

736
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: I really think it's not a function of what DC

737
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: is going to do unless he is wrestling against the fence.

738
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: To me, it's more of an issue of is Stepe

739
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: gonna stick and move like a calf kick, jab and go.

740
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: He did a really good job of clinch breaking on

741
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: the second one, but that's not, you know, all that

742
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: relevant here. To me. It's a question of who wants

743
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: to wrestle against the fence. That's really gonna be the

744
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: key insight here, and Cormier might take more advantage of it,

745
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: which is why I think Stepe is kind of like

746
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: thinking about that, because you can go back and look

747
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: at between the rounds and the second fight, and his

748
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: coach is a crazy Bob Cook and Javier Menders are like, dude,

749
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: what are you doing? This is not the plan. Punch

750
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: him a little, kick him a little, and take him down,

751
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: wrestle him. They are explicitly pleading with him. I have

752
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: to have a feeling that's going to be a bigger part.

753
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: And if the cage is shorter. You know, by the way,

754
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: Steepe's technow defense is very good. I still think that

755
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: might be a bigger part. But you know, we'll have

756
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: to say, lastly, for the first time ever in the

757
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: in their matchup, Cormier is in some places a betting underdog.

758
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: Now it's it's mostly a pick them everywhere BC, but

759
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: there are a couple places where you can get him

760
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: as a dog, So just keep that in mind. All right,

761
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: we move on to the comane.

762
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: Oh I'm not ready to go with the cole Main Luca.

763
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: No, No, we got to talk John Jones, don't we, Yes,

764
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: we do.

765
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: Well, No, I want to get into this fight with you.

766
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: That's why we're here, right, yeah, all right, we're just

767
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: running out of time, right.

768
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I love storylines, I love legacy, but let's

769
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: get into the actual damn fight.

770
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: I want you to hear me out, and I want

771
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: you to respond. I don't need your prediction or whatever

772
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: at the end of the day if you don't want

773
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: to give it. But here's what I'm gonna say, Luke.

774
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: What I said after the second fight really informs how

775
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to look at this third fight.

776
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: Let's put all the things on the table.

777
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: Yes, I've been a notorious steep, a Dowter or maybe a.

778
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: Hey he's you know, he's really good? Is he? All?

779
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: You know? Is he great?

780
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: Great?

781
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: Great great great?

782
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: I mean he's gotten there, but but I've been slow

783
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: and getting there. Luke, I think when you add up

784
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: the first fight and the first two and a half

785
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: rounds of the second fight, DC's the better fighter in

786
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: almost every category. Correct, it's not wide, but he's the

787
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 3: better fighter across the board. So what I said after

788
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: the second fight, and everybody, oh, you skip Bayless in

789
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 3: me with a hot take.

790
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: No, it's the truth.

791
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: Okay, here it is, Luke, deal with it, Steve. I

792
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: didn't win the second fight. DC lost it.

793
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: He's a great fighter. You are down the show. You

794
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: can you can canceled.

795
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: You are canceled.

796
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: Oh my, You and I had this debate. I think

797
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: on the NMA beat baby. It's fine. Whatever it is,

798
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: what it is, Luke.

799
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: But what I mean by that is this Steve is

800
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 3: great in His greatest skills are in the intangibles. They're

801
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: in stamina, they're in heart, they're in you know, like

802
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: he's gonna be there at the end of the day,

803
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: whether he's pulling babies out of a burning tree or

804
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: what I mean, like, he's a freaking pillar of society,

805
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 3: cats in the windows, whatever you got. If you give

806
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: Steppe Miochich a chance to beat you by making a mistake,

807
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: he will beat you.

808
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: He will outlast you. He's all that. But Luke, DC's

809
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: the better fighter. It is what it is.

810
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: And here's what happened in that second fight. He didn't

811
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: listen to his coaches. He stopped wrestling after the first round.

812
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: And I asked him straight up last week, I said,

813
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: were you just not in the shape you needed to

814
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 3: be because you gassed hard, You faded really badly in

815
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 3: steep Pay, to his credit, found the adjustment to the body,

816
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: took advantage of it. I respect DC's answer. He basically

817
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: told me that he cut corners ahead of that second camp.

818
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: He came off the back surgery. Anytime things didn't feel right, they.

819
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: Just shut down camp. And my take on this.

820
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: Luke, is that I think DC got a little bit

821
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: too big for his breeches. I think he was playing

822
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: with house money at that point. Let me explain. The

823
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: first fight went easier than he thought or any of

824
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: us thought. He thought he had that x's and o's

825
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: technical advantage, that when they separate from the clinch, that

826
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 3: Steve Pey puts his hands down. Luke, he found the opening,

827
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: perfect punch.

828
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: Great read fight over. I think he started to maybe

829
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: believe the DC juice a little bit too much. Do

830
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: you remember the title defense against Derek Lewis. He took

831
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: it on short notice for big money. He wasn't healthy.

832
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: Guess what, he dominated that fight. I think DC got

833
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: to a point where he's just like, I'm freaking DC.

834
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't care about injuries, I don't care about anything.

835
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: I'll handle it.

836
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 3: And I think he went into that rematch to his fault, Luke,

837
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 3: not a Fluke, to his fault, not fully ready. If

838
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: you can guarantee me that DC's got five round stamina

839
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: this weekend, if you can guarantee me that he will

840
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: wrestle a lot more than he did than either of

841
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: the first two fights. I don't see how Vegas has

842
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: Steepe as either even money or a slight, slight, slight favorite.

843
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 3: I know Vegas knows a lot more than us. Hey,

844
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: they had Chris Widen favored all the way almost in

845
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: that Doc Metov lead in and I'm.

846
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: Like, what are you crazy? Hey, they got it right, Luke,

847
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: it you know, it is what it is.

848
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,959
Speaker 3: I don't see how you can look at this fight

849
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: and not realize it's going to be more tentative than

850
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: the first two because there's so much on the line.

851
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: And if you're gonna go five full rounds and you're

852
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: not gonna gas out against Stepe and you can strike

853
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 3: pretty evenly with him and you can fix whatever holes

854
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 3: are there, I'm sorry. I don't think he's in that

855
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 3: go conversation because I don't think he has those next

856
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: level adjustments to win a fight unless DC gives him

857
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: a chance to. At this very level. You can burn

858
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 3: me at the stake of Joan of Arc all your asses.

859
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: It's the truth, Luke, what are you gonna do with that?

860
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: Joan of Arc was executed by the state, So if

861
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: you're going to Joan of Varcas. Good luck with that.

862
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: So here is why you're just spectacularly wrong about this. Well,

863
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 2: actually it's not true. You are right about the sense

864
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: that I do think, in having looked at the footage

865
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: now a few times, I do think it is pretty

866
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: clear that DC is the better fighter of the two overall.

867
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: But the problem is the inference you draw from that

868
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: is wildly the fuck is wildly off the mark. Here's why.

869
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: Just because you're the better fighter doesn't mean that if

870
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: you're fifty one forty nine, yes, right, sort of the

871
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: percentage of your chance to win, or who's got the

872
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: most talent in the cage. There's a lot of things.

873
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: You what the fuck man?

874
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa? Look Boila cooking again? What's going on now?

875
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: I think my wife is attached to my goddamn speaker

876
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: here a bluetooth and it's fucking everything up. Yes, she

877
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: did hang on one second, God damn it, sor right

878
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: now it's on.

879
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: It's not Jay's fault, for one.

880
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: So that's not Jay's fault. Let me make the point

881
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: here very quickly, and I apologize to the audience for that.

882
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: Here's the point I'm trying to make Just because you

883
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: are the more talented fighter doesn't mean that if you

884
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 2: fought a hundred times, you would win one hundred times.

885
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that at all. In fact, it might

886
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: mean you win slightly more than fifty percent of them.

887
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: That's how close you can be. Now, how much better

888
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: is DC than Steepe, that's a little bit debatable. Here's

889
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 2: what I mean. I thought Stepe had a better first

890
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: round in the first fight that he did in the

891
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: second fight. However, I went back and I looked, what

892
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: was the position from which DC got the knockout in

893
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: the first one? Uh, Stepe? I made the notes Here

894
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: Stepe kept looking for a right under hook and then

895
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: control with his left hand. Here he goes back to

896
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: this position over and over and over again, controlled with

897
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: his left that's DC's right, and then he has the

898
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: under hook with his own right hand. That's when Remember

899
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: Cormier slipped the hook out and then popped him with

900
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: the right. That's exactly how he did it. They found

901
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: themselves in that position four different times in the second fight,

902
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: and every time Cormier landed the exact same punch. So

903
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: did he get unlucky the first time, or did he

904
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: get lucky. The second, I don't know, but clearly Cormier

905
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: has just command of these positions and finds ways to

906
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: them in ways that Stepe doesn't. The reason why you

907
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: are wrong about Stepe though, is, dude, you are not

908
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: merely taking away his accomplishment like that he won the

909
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 2: ability to make those body shots count in the way

910
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: that he did in the championship rounds. Dude, that is

911
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: what champions That is a championship level right, hold on,

912
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, But no, no, no, it's a championship

913
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: level adjustment. And he left DC powerless as a result,

914
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 2: and he did it in around he was largely losing

915
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: and found a way to come back in that fight. Dude,

916
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: that is hardcore shit. And for you to say that

917
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: that is a DC accomplishment or DC failure, well it

918
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: goes two ways. But the bigger story there is look

919
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: at what this guy did to secure the fucking bag

920
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: and that was grown man, championship level, highest of all time. Shit,

921
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: It's why we are back here having this third fight.

922
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: BC put some respect on his name.

923
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: Did ste P make that incredible championship adjustment?

924
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 3: Yes, but I'm telling you that I asked DC straight

925
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: up you were walking around in rounds two or three

926
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 3: with your hands down. Did you not have respect for

927
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: Steve Bay's power? He said, Look, it wasn't that I

928
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: didn't have respect. It was that I was able to

929
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: land punches so easily that when he was hitting me back,

930
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: I just got cocky and felt that I could take it,

931
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 3: and I was eventually gonna knock him out again. Stec's fall, Luke,

932
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: how did Stepe make that adjustment to the body Because

933
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 3: DC A faded, B, kept his hands down, C stopped wrestling,

934
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: and D stopped listening to his corner.

935
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: All four of those were DC failing.

936
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: That built a foundation to give Stepay the chance to

937
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: make this championship adjustment. It wasn't as if he made

938
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: the championship adjustment against a full power DC. I know

939
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: I am splitting hairs right here, but against the very

940
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: best when you match him, splitting hairs is how you

941
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: win the damn fight. And I think Steepe has been

942
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: better than everybody else in this era because of intangibles

943
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: more often than because of strategy. DC is in the

944
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: conversation of goat because of the versatility and the IQ

945
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: and the ability to make changes and again, if he's

946
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: not compromised by getting rocked, or which can happen Steepe

947
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: can clearly rock him and win this fight, or not

948
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: compromised by screwing up with stamina issues.

949
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: I have to.

950
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: Favor DC all day. It'll be a hard fight. He

951
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: may end up retiring anyway because of the damage. But

952
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: I think it goes the distance, and I think DC wins.

953
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: And I'm fairly confident in saying that, Luke, whether you

954
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: will tell me who you think wins or.

955
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: Not, I again, I think predictions are a waste of

956
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 2: time and largely unknowable. You can do them for fun

957
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: if you have to ask me a gun to my

958
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: head which way I'm leaning. I am also leaning towards DC.

959
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: But to your point, let's talk about Ali and the ropodope. Now,

960
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: that is strategic in the way that he was doing that, Right,

961
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: he was intentionally sort of draining Foreman to come back later.

962
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: That's not the same thing as like, you know, making

963
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: a bunch of errors that just allowed an opportunity for

964
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: later or something like that. Right, It's a strategic way

965
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: to absorb abuse as a way of going forward. I

966
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: understand that I'm not conflating the two also because the

967
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: person making the quote unquote sort of you know, dangerous

968
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: choices lost in the case of DC. But this is

969
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: my point, he didn't know that that was going to work.

970
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: It was an entirely enormous risk against a huge puncher

971
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: like that. My point being is, yes, I don't you

972
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: can draw a distinction between the John Jones stoppage of

973
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: DC in the second of their two fights and then

974
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: this one, whereas Jones just outsmarted him. I'm not telling

975
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 2: you that that Jones KO and that Steve AKO are equivalent. However,

976
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: what I am saying is, while I will grant that

977
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: was probably DC not performing optimally from a strategic standpoint,

978
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: and by the way, going to the body is not

979
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: necessarily like the most brilliant decision ever or something like that, right,

980
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 2: So it's not obvious, But it's not like crazy genius either.

981
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 2: He was taking abuse, he was somewhat lost, His coaches

982
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: didn't even call for it. He made that choice on

983
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: his own, through his own recognition, and he rode that

984
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: bitch all the way to the bank. I just feel

985
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: like you can count the lack of DC being optimum

986
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: while not discounting the heart and determination and skill and

987
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: frankly with kind of savagery that that took because you

988
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: by the way, he had to do that fighting at

989
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: Patty Cake, which is still on d c's terms. For

990
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: the most part, he beat DC on d c's terms.

991
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: You know, you could say he didn't wasn't DC wasn't

992
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: doing it optimally, but they weren't in those paddy Cake

993
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: positions because of Stepe's choice. It was because DC had

994
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: forced it there. So I get you. I'm not disagreeing

995
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: with that, but you're a hater on Steepey and that's

996
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: the truth. Okay.

997
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 3: I just love truth. I love truth, Luke, I'm sorry,

998
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: I love Stepey. By the way, all of the damn right.

999
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: If you love truth, well, why do you believe in

1000
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: stupid ass banking conspiracies?

1001
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: Look like, if you know, we'll do a conspiracy episode

1002
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: one day and lose our jobs.

1003
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll put it on Patreon. But there's just there's

1004
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: a lot of clues out there that I want you

1005
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: to be with. By the way, watch him embedded steep Pey,

1006
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: nice house, nice wife, and yeah, yeah, you know, he.

1007
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: Don't need my respect. He's doing he's doing great.

1008
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: All right, here. He's earned it, all right. So let's

1009
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: talk about this comin event, if we can Sean O'Malley

1010
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: take it on Marlon Vera. If you look at the

1011
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: odds for this one, Brian, they've got Marlon Vera at

1012
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: a round you know, give or take plus two thirty ish,

1013
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: give or take, and then they've got O'Malley around minus

1014
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: two to eighty, some places as high as minus three hundred,

1015
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: pretty significant. Favorite, do you view the fight as somewhat lopsided?

1016
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: This is what we have to figure out, Luke.

1017
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: We have to figure out if Marlon Vera, who won

1018
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: five in a row, then lost a fight. A lot

1019
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: of people thought he won against Song You Dong and

1020
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 3: kind of got rewarded for his for his.

1021
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: Strong effort in a loss. With this pay per view.

1022
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: Comaine is kryptonite potentially for O'Malley, and we'll finally make

1023
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: Sean O'Malley have to show us real and tangibles. Look

1024
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: we've seen from him when he's in the lead, when

1025
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: he's fighting the fight on his terms, he's spectacular. Obviously,

1026
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 3: anyone who's rising quick, you want him to hit the wall.

1027
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: You want him to have to have a plan. BC

1028
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: or d on paper, Marlon Vera is that guy. But

1029
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 3: I have I've said this before, I gotta say this again.

1030
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 3: I gotta go back to Anderson Silva, Chris Libin when

1031
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 3: you do the math and go back and look it up. God,

1032
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: Liban was like five to zero in the UFC Luke.

1033
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: He was doing big things. He wasn't that journeyman brawler

1034
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 3: with the big chin that he ultimately became who we love.

1035
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: He was a reason why he was matched against an

1036
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: incoming Anderson Silva to see if he could do it

1037
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: on that level. And good God, was that, you know,

1038
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 3: some of the greatest striking we've seen. In about forty

1039
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: five seconds, he pissed all over him and we went

1040
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: from thinking, who is this guy? Yeah, I've heard he's

1041
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: pretty good, to oh my god, we're watching a future

1042
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: champion in Star. You're gonna ask me right now, do

1043
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 3: I believe it's more toward the Kryptonite side or more

1044
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 3: toward the this is gonna be Silva Liban all over again.

1045
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: I watched I watched Sean O'Malley train on embedded and

1046
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: it's look, it's he's training in a warehouse.

1047
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: It's you know that ain't a fight. But the more

1048
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: you watch the fluidity and the explosion and the confidence

1049
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: in who he is. Good God, I love me some

1050
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: Cheeto Vera And he swore on my podcast this week

1051
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: like eighty six times and it was great. He's got

1052
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: nice neck tats too, a lot different than Austin Vanderwert's

1053
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: neck text. But I'm probably more of the belief that

1054
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley is gonna come out on Saturday night knowing the.

1055
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: Stakes and absolutely blow our minds. And as good as

1056
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: Cheeto is, how good does he look? If his ceiling

1057
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: is lower than we actually think, he may be in

1058
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: a spot to get blown away by Sean O'Malley in

1059
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: the kind of fight that will catapult him, not just

1060
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 3: to start him, but a title shot very quickly.

1061
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: Man. You know, people who are no one in my

1062
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: orbit really watches MMA unless it's like really really big,

1063
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: you know, like Connor McGregor big, or just something kind

1064
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: of like that. I think some of them watched more

1065
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: hay Masslow the last time. Actually he's really broken through.

1066
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: But people in that ilk will ask me on occasion, hey, man,

1067
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: who's like the up and coming hot thing, who's like

1068
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: the next big star. I'm not ready today to recommend

1069
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: Sean O'Malley. I have a high degree of respect, but

1070
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: you got to earn it. You got to prove it.

1071
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: You have to show me that the reason for your

1072
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: enthusiasm is very well placed. And everything he has done

1073
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: to this point, from the Wineland and Sukumtat and the

1074
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: wins over the folks in the Contender series, I mean,

1075
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: there's no reason to say anything bad about him. But

1076
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: we're not saying anything bad about him. We're trying to

1077
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: figure out just how good you are. Let me explain

1078
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: something to you. You go in there and you beat

1079
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: Cheeto Vera, especially in the way you've been beating opposition.

1080
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 2: You're the new guy that I'm telling all the casual

1081
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: fans about, and I don't do that very easily. I'm

1082
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: very very judicious with that. I mean, the last time

1083
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: somebody asked me that, I remember, I went on a

1084
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: local morning show here and it was right around UFC

1085
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: two hundred and they were at this was obviously, you know,

1086
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: a huge weekend because they had sold the UFC and everything,

1087
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: and I went on a local morning show here. They

1088
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: asked me, who's the next guy we should pay attention to,

1089
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: and I had reserved that space for Numaga Madoff at

1090
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: that point, I was telling them that's the guy you

1091
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: got to be watching. Now. I'm not saying that if

1092
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: you beat Vera, you're as advanced as Kubib was at

1093
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: that point, but I'm simply saying that's kind of how

1094
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: I look at you at that point where you are

1095
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: ultimately probably going to be headed. Dude, Chieto Vera. Everyone

1096
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: needs to accept this is an absolutely phenomenal talent. He

1097
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: is very talented. Colin Oyama has done an incredible job

1098
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: pulling him into this. He is talented everywhere. He has

1099
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 2: tough as shit. He has a ridiculous chin, which makes

1100
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: the O'Malley fight very interesting because Vera is extremely hard

1101
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: to hurt. He took John Linneker's best punches and then

1102
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: some and just walked into him. He has a tough sob. Plus,

1103
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 2: he has a ridiculously good guard. He is offensive minded,

1104
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: he has great striking, and he is not intimidated even

1105
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: a little bit. So you go out there and you

1106
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: beat a quality opponent like that, and again, in let's

1107
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: say Sean O'Malley style. I know he's already popular with

1108
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: the insiders. I know that that youth sort of portion

1109
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: of the fan base, they're already in touch with what

1110
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: he's doing. The numbers already speak to that. But there

1111
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: are several lay you would agree with this, There are

1112
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: several layers, several other demos. He has not even scratched

1113
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: the surface of reaching. You beat him on this weekend

1114
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: in the way that people think he might be able to.

1115
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you he's the next big thing, no

1116
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: doubt about it.

1117
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you haven't seen him yet in the deep

1118
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: end of the pool, in the areas that we need

1119
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 3: to see to use all those cliches, you.

1120
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: Don't really know.

1121
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: You can only piece together, you know, things that you

1122
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: feel from watching the interviews or from other fights.

1123
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Luke.

1124
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: I feel a guy who has only benefited from his

1125
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: two years away from that drug suspension, who spend a

1126
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: ton of time working on himself, both you know, the

1127
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: outward self in terms of the fight game, but also

1128
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: the inward self. I see a guy who is more

1129
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 3: than ready to be that star and might just have

1130
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 3: those intangibles. Again, You're not gonna know it until Cheeto

1131
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: Vera lands a big shot and has him on his

1132
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: back and there's adjustments to be made, but he also

1133
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: has that type of next level talent that are we

1134
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: gonna see the hot knife through Butter? I mean, I

1135
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised because he really could be that dude.

1136
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I don't know if he's my flavor.

1137
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 3: If I was just a fan right now, if I'd

1138
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: be all in. But like we've talked about, he just

1139
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 3: connects with the with the twenty somethings right now in

1140
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: such a such a unique way that I'm all for

1141
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: where he's going.

1142
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: But God, I can't wait for this fight.

1143
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: You said, you've said on Twitter that you you're more

1144
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: excited for this fight than the damn main events.

1145
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: Explain yourself.

1146
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: You are a median guy.

1147
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: Here's the reason why I even't said it by far.

1148
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: The reason why is not that there's anything wrong with

1149
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: the main event. The main event is great and probably

1150
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: about virtue of what is at stake. I mean, there's

1151
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: a title fight, to say nothing of the trilogy and

1152
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: everything else. There's more at stake there. It deserves to

1153
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: be the main event. I understand that. I'm not telling you.

1154
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: You have to feel the way I feel. I'm just

1155
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: telling you what my personal likes are, and the reason

1156
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: why I like this so much, Brian is because everyone's

1157
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: going to be different, but to me, to me, and

1158
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: I had this conversation with Brendan Schab, but I've made

1159
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: this point for years. One of the most and frankly

1160
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: my favorite time in a fighter's career year is when

1161
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 2: for the ones who eventually become champions. And I don't

1162
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: mean like late in life like Abysbian, although he had

1163
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 2: a great career as well, but I mean the ones

1164
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: who just go from straight line through contenders all the

1165
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: way to the title. I don't know if O'Malley is

1166
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: getting there, but the most exciting time for me for

1167
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: Nimakamadev is when he was coming up. It's like, can

1168
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: he beat this guy? Can he beat this guy? Can

1169
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: he beat this guy? And they do? Dude, the level

1170
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: of enthusiasm that I had when John Jones was going

1171
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: through Brandon Vera and Matt Ushenko.

1172
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was so fired up for that fight.

1173
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: Yes well, I mean if you knew the backstory about

1174
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: how prepared John was, you'd be like, how well is

1175
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: he gonna do? And then he fucking destroyed him? Is unbelievable.

1176
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: And then coming in there and beating Goosemal and then Bonnard.

1177
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, when the guy is on the come

1178
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: up through contenders. If Sean can do that, that's a

1179
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 2: big if. But that moment in time in a fighter's

1180
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: life when they're making you every time they get out there,

1181
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: they're forcing you to reimagine the possibilities of what is

1182
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: true about them on the good side, when they're forcing

1183
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: you to like get to break all the barriers in

1184
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: your mind about what is what is realistic and possible

1185
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: to me, is absolutely thrilling. It is exciting. It is

1186
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: what gets me up and and and I can't stop

1187
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: for than Luke about the fight. I don't know what

1188
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: the term is, but dude, that's the moment when theyre

1189
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: when this when the rocket ship is headed to the moon,

1190
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: not when they get there, although that's great too for me,

1191
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: that's my favorite time in the fight game. And I

1192
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: don't know, but I think Sean might be on it.

1193
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, Jay Kaeger calls it a phoner, right,

1194
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: a fight boner when you're just I mean, you know,

1195
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 3: he's rock hard with emotion. You know, when Connor for example,

1196
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: fought Dennis Severt was right at that moment.

1197
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what the term.

1198
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: Needs to be, Luke, but we'll be full masked if

1199
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 3: Sugar Sean does it on Saturday.

1200
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: Now here's the question though, and I want to make

1201
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: sure that we get to this too very quickly. What

1202
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 2: if Vera wins? What if Vera goes in there and says,

1203
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: you know what, y'all did the old Roy joneson and

1204
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: you're almost have forgot right and he goes in there

1205
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: and beats Sean O'Malley and again without controversy whatever that

1206
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: is supposed to mean. How much do we need to

1207
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: rethink Marlon Vera? He is still in his twenties two.

1208
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: I believe he is a commentator.

1209
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's a.

1210
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: Commentator on the Spanish side for the UFC. It's like, well,

1211
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: wait a second, UFC, it's heads, they win, tails somebody

1212
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: else losers like they get the benefit no matter what year.

1213
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: But to what extent will you reconsider Marlon Vera by

1214
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: virtue of a win on Saturday?

1215
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: Oh huge, because that would be six wins and seven

1216
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 3: fights in which you can argue he won all seven

1217
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: with that close fight with you Dong, who's no fool.

1218
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 3: He's a you know, unbeaten guy looking to crash the

1219
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: party as well. He's only twenty seven, he's fought fourteen

1220
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 3: times Lucan something like just over three years since his

1221
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 3: UFC debut, and he's gotten a lot better than that

1222
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 3: original run. When he's losing to the guys you'd expect

1223
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 3: to for an unknown and really putting his career together.

1224
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: This division is so deep.

1225
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: That I don't think, you know, this win catapults him

1226
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: if he can get it into the title picture. But

1227
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: what he told me this week was, you know, he's

1228
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: ready for top top ten, maybe even top five opponents.

1229
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: If he can get it, it would be a big

1230
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: enough win as a pay.

1231
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 3: Per view comaane to really warrant either getting a top

1232
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 3: five or getting one of those older names who could

1233
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: maybe sell the fight as the A side. And right

1234
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: now vandam way, it's got a lot of them older names, Luke,

1235
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: from FRANKI Edgar to mister Faber and Dominic Cruse and

1236
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 3: all that. So either way he's gonna get paid. And

1237
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 3: he told me, look, I don't care about social media.

1238
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: I don't care about talking trash about O'Malley. I'm here

1239
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: to win, basically f people up in cash check. So

1240
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 3: he's been doing that. We've been doing it so very quickly.

1241
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 3: We did it for the main event. Let's do it

1242
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: for the comain.

1243
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: How is this fight going to look to you?

1244
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 3: You know, Vera's gonna have to try to try to

1245
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: get O'Malley off of his preferred plan. You know, you

1246
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: can't let that guy be a virtuoso in front of

1247
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 3: you and play guitar and do his dance moves right.

1248
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: You got you gotta rough them up.

1249
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 3: You gotta close distance, You gotta try to make some

1250
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: crazy scrambles. You got to find out what he's made of,

1251
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: because if you fight Sean O'Malley at distance and allow.

1252
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: Him to take the lead, he's gonna paint you up.

1253
00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a masterpiece.

1254
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 3: So I expect Vera to be everything he says he is,

1255
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: which is balls to the wall. You're gonna have to

1256
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 3: jump all over Shawn Mallley and Sean O'Malley, you know,

1257
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: and then and that we're gonna find out right away

1258
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 3: whether Vera's got a great enough ground game to keep

1259
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 3: him there, whether O'Malley's got enough adjustments or whether he's

1260
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,479
Speaker 3: got counters waiting that is so quick that Vera may

1261
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 3: end up speeding up his exit Luke by running into

1262
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: oncoming traffic to find out.

1263
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: It's tough this kid is again. It could be Leban

1264
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: Silva all over again.

1265
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: And the other part about that is the small cage

1266
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: here to me should again operative word being should benefit

1267
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: cheto right, because you're gonna have to. I mean, you

1268
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: give Sean O'Malley space, he's gonna set you on fire.

1269
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: I mean you cannot do that. You have to really

1270
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 2: back him up close the distance, clinch him, press him

1271
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 2: against the fence. And I'm not saying that's the winning strategy.

1272
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: I just know giving him space is the losing strategy,

1273
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 2: and the shorter cage should be somewhat helpful in that regard.

1274
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: So if Sean O'Malley can shine even under the those conditions,

1275
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: good opponent, disadvantaged cage size, lookout, he is gonna be.

1276
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: He's gonna be something special after that, I'm quite sure.

1277
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: All right. At heavyweight, another close one, rosenstruck back after

1278
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: getting smoked by h Francis taking on JDS who looks

1279
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: like a million bucks training with Phil Deru down there

1280
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: in att Phil Dereux is a genius. People don't harald

1281
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: him enough. That guy is so smart, so talented, so dedicated.

1282
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: He's got these guys looking like absolute fucking animals. Dustin

1283
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: Porige too, This is an interesting one. JDS has looked

1284
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: like he has figured out his limitations and he has

1285
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: worked around them. Rosenstruck had a bad last outing, but

1286
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: otherwise has looked well. I don't know, he didn't look

1287
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: great in the overe In fight, but he found a

1288
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: way to win that one too, right, So what do

1289
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: you make of this one where roses Struck very credible striker.

1290
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: JDS is chin not what it used to be, but

1291
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: is good at accommodating it in ways that make him

1292
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: still a pretty dangerous threat at heavyweight.

1293
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: JDS can continues to show us Luke like anytime you're

1294
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: starting to go okay, you know he's in his mid

1295
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 3: thirties and he's thirty six. Now, how much did those

1296
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 3: two losses to Caine where he took extended beatings, Like

1297
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: we've been talking about that forever. Yet he's still here

1298
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: fighting and that four fight winstreak he had was big.

1299
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 3: I know he's lost two by knockouts since then, where

1300
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: he's sort of, like you mentioned, ceilinged off. He knows

1301
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: really what the limitations are. To quote the late nazine Richardson,

1302
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to swim without getting wet here if

1303
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: he can do exactly exactly what he did to that

1304
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: damn Harry guy Ben Rothwell, where he came in there

1305
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 3: and just boxed and was quick and was smart and

1306
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: relied on technique and didn't try to go for the knockout,

1307
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: didn't try to do too much. I think he can

1308
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: win this fight somewhat wide Luke, and that's not a

1309
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: mark against Rosenstruk.

1310
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: He'll get again.

1311
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 3: He'll get you out of there if you give him

1312
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 3: the chance to write or and sometimes he's been able

1313
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 3: to create that chance. But I have to ask in

1314
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: wonder because of the hype train that Rosenstrike was on

1315
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: for a short period, whether you know he went through

1316
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: what Francis went through when they jackknifed him into that

1317
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: title shot and he had to sort of humbly hit

1318
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 3: the wall and go, oh man, you know I didn't

1319
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: get the I didn't get the knockout.

1320
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: Who am I?

1321
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: I think that rosen Strike's gonna have to figure out

1322
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: how well rounded he can be, how much it can

1323
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: approve in a short period of time. And if this

1324
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: isn't that night he does that, Junior Desantos is too skilled,

1325
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 3: too experienced not to win this fight. He's gonna have

1326
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 3: to do it without getting without getting hit big right

1327
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 3: straight up. But I think he's just so much more

1328
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,959
Speaker 3: skilled that a third knockout loss in a row would

1329
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 3: look bad right now, and he knows that and he's

1330
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 3: gonna have to avoid that. So if he plays it

1331
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: safe enough, Luke, I like JDS.

1332
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, he's an interesting one, right because Rosestruck has

1333
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: this great kickboxing background, and then he comes to the

1334
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 2: UFC and he like demolishes people like Junior Albini who's

1335
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: not there anymore, Alan Crowder who's not there anymore. And

1336
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: then he beat Arlovsky really quickly with that check hook.

1337
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: You're like, wow, man, he must be something special, and

1338
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: he is. And then he fights over him and you're like, yeah,

1339
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: he's that well rounded enough. But then he found a

1340
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: way to win that one, so you're like, Okay, you

1341
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: can't do it. I mean, hey, your record is what

1342
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: you says it are you? You are who your record

1343
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: says you are. So then he fights Francis and just

1344
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: gets the demolished in like what twenty seconds and he

1345
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: was nothing. But you're like, okay, but everyone gets demolished

1346
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: by Francis. Here's my point, we don't exactly know how

1347
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: good he is an MMA yet, like he beat the people.

1348
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: Two of the three guys he beat in Rolovski, Crowder

1349
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: and Albini two of them aren't even there anymore. Arlovsky

1350
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: was a solid win, but again I don't and I

1351
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 2: think some of the things about his chin are overstated.

1352
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: But he's also not at the peak of his game.

1353
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: He didn't look great against overheam despite at the end

1354
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: there figuring it out. This to me is going to

1355
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: be a better test case to see like exactly where

1356
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: he fits in that heavyweight division. I mean, he's obviously good.

1357
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's good or bad in a binary sense.

1358
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: The question is you're good? Okay, how good? We don't

1359
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: really have a complete understanding of that. Now. JDS has

1360
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: his back against the wall. Two losses in a row.

1361
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: I think the Blades loss was the last one, and

1362
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: then he had what was the one before that? Before

1363
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: memory serves it was the Francis law. So he got

1364
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: smoked by Francis too, right, But do you understand that

1365
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: still he's in a much more desperate place. He looks

1366
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: to be trained really well. And I think the key

1367
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: for me is, do I believe that JDS can avoid

1368
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: the worst of what JayR brings? Yeah? I mean, because

1369
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: he's got you know, Jay Zing has got a bit

1370
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: of like a relaxed style, and JDS has a patient one,

1371
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 2: which is not the same thing as relaxed because he's

1372
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: really minding his p's and his cues. It's only a

1373
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: three round fight. I might feel different if it was five.

1374
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: The small cage should help Rosenstruck, but we all know

1375
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: JDS has pretty good footwork, good jab jab to the body,

1376
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: gets out of the way. I'll say this, this would

1377
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: be the most revealing win if Rosenstruck can go in

1378
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: there and look good in getting a win. But I

1379
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: don't know how likely that is. My hunch is that

1380
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: JDS has so many tools to like, you know what,

1381
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 2: he's the quarterback who maybe he's not on the starting

1382
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, super Bowl team anymore, but when the starting

1383
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: quarterback is out and you need Kirk Cousins to manage

1384
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: the game. Hey, he can do that against some of

1385
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: the opposition, right, does he?

1386
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: Brad Johnson, He's like he's a Delfer won or super Bowl?

1387
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: Well he did well, you know, JDS won a title too.

1388
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: Uh No, it's more like, I don't.

1389
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: Know Delfer really win that Super Bowl? Or was Dilfer

1390
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: along for the ride?

1391
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: Just yeah? I mean the the Ravens defense was sick,

1392
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: that's true. Still, he's got the ring, you know, and

1393
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: he talks about it endlessly whenever he's on camera. H Look,

1394
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: you get my point. He he can do enough to

1395
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: beat certain kinds of opponents. The question is is Rosenstruck

1396
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: that kind of opponent or is he not? That's what

1397
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 2: Saturday is supposed to tell us.

1398
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: I think, all right, Rostruck Vince Young.

1399
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 2: Right, you know, yeah, well no, I mean who is uh,

1400
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: who's like your favorite backup? I mean, Kirk was a

1401
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 2: starter here, so that doesn't exactly. He's not Rex Grossman.

1402
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: You know, he's better than that, all right, Steve Berlin,

1403
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of all the Redskins quarterbacks, and

1404
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: there have been so many of the Campbell Yeah, Jason

1405
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: Campbell was a starter, and you know, what is he

1406
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: Jason Campbell Maybe maybe I remember.

1407
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 3: Jason Campbell calling bro Gus farrat right, Yeah, yeah, little Bledsoe,

1408
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: you know, after a certain time.

1409
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: All right, So then we got John Dotson at Banson

1410
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 2: Way take it on, Marob devolish Villy. Pretty heavy odds

1411
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: in favor of davolish Villi on this one. This is

1412
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 2: a weird matchup to me because Dotson has pretty good

1413
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: takedown defense. He's only ever really lost, for the most

1414
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 2: part to the best fighters, you know, twice to Johnson

1415
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: before he left the division. Jan rivera Marlin that kind

1416
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: of a thing, lineker. But he beat Nathaniel Wood in

1417
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: his last outing, look pretty good doing it. The question

1418
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: is is he done and is devolish Villa on the rise?

1419
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: We know the latter is true, but you see, we

1420
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 2: know devlish Villi is on the rise, and he has

1421
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: a sick motor and then sometimes Dodson can fade late.

1422
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: He did that in the Johnson fights and the Pat

1423
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 2: Runiez fight. But the problem with devlish Feeli and wow,

1424
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: I think this one's a little bit competitive is he's

1425
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: got the motor and the go and the gusto, the

1426
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: good wrestling savage. He's a savage, no doubt about it.

1427
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 2: Dotson is the more technically skilled of.

1428
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 3: The two, which one, but I don't like Dodson as

1429
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: a bandonm weight and I really never have Luke, you know.

1430
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: And when you add in the age in the late

1431
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 3: in the career concerns, uh.

1432
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: Davala Shilly's gonna gonna you know, run right through him.

1433
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: He'll be both rushing and in a hurry. I mean,

1434
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 3: this is gonna be uh, it's gonna be a big win.

1435
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a demolition.

1436
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 2: I think, Luke, I hate you, Yes, I don't know.

1437
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: Here's the problem, DEVALISHVILLI is gonna have one of these

1438
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 2: records like most takedowns, and it's like, oh, he'll be,

1439
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 2: you know, surpassing George Saint Pierre for most takedowns. And

1440
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, right, here's the difference. Though Saint Pierre didn't

1441
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: have as many takedowns, or he took him a lot

1442
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 2: longer to get there, because when he got you down,

1443
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: you're fucking ass stayed down. The problem with like modern

1444
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: mma and then devoltionly this is what I mean is

1445
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 2: like he can get the takedown, he could do it.

1446
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: Endlessly if he needs to, but he doesn't quite have

1447
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 2: that control. On the ground. Dotson is very good at

1448
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: scrambling to that point. He can stick and move. And

1449
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: by the way, I don't like him at band some

1450
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: way either. If the question is where is Dotson optimal?

1451
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: But for MEBC at thirty five, he can still thump,

1452
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,439
Speaker 2: he can still crack. He's very very good in that regard.

1453
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: So I get your point. De Voloshfili is big. He's

1454
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: a machine. He can go. That's probably enough, but it

1455
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: is a bit of skill versus athletic size kind of thing.

1456
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: Dots In shaved the hair too, Luke. I don't like that.

1457
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: I thought he's gonna come in with the big bush.

1458
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1459
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 2: No, I didn't like to throw on him. I didn't

1460
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: like to throw on him. Okay, is that me being racist?

1461
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 2: I don't mean to be. I just mean, like, we

1462
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: have the head shape.

1463
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

1464
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: All right, So we don't know what the opening bout

1465
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: is on the main card. It is probably Jim Miller

1466
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: taking on Vince Pachelle. Jim Miller looking amazing in his

1467
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 2: first fight since the pandemic started, beating Roosevelt Roberts, which

1468
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: I take very seriously. I think Roosevelt Roberts is very talented.

1469
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: He's gonna be fighting Vince Pachelle, who him elf is

1470
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: coming off of a win of Roosevelt Roberts. All right,

1471
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 2: so here's the deal here. Let's just assume, and could

1472
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 2: be wrong about this, Let's just assume it's Pachelle and Miller.

1473
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: How do you sort of size these two up? Miller

1474
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 2: told me I was like, what are you like fighting for?

1475
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: Because he knows he's not gonna get a title shot.

1476
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: It's not even so like why are you fighting? He's like, well,

1477
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm still hunting that like perfect performance. I'm like, bro,

1478
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 2: that one against Roberts is pretty goddamn close. If that

1479
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: wasn't it.

1480
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's retired off that. Look he could have retired

1481
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: it was that.

1482
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: Easily easily, and he looks. But that's the problem. If

1483
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: you have a perfect performance, you're like, well, then I

1484
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: can just keep doing this. So here he is, is

1485
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: Vince Pachelle gonna give him a beat down? What do

1486
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 2: you think normally?

1487
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: I would go all Pacelle here.

1488
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 3: And it's not really the age or where they are

1489
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 3: in their careers as much as like, well, it is

1490
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 3: where they are in their careers. When you get a

1491
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: guy that's still good enough with age like Miller, he

1492
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 3: tends to win when you don't think he will, and

1493
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 3: lose when you're suddenly back around on Hey, maybe he's

1494
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 3: still got it. But the difference in this one Luke

1495
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 3: is what we talked about on Monday. He's in the

1496
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 3: mix so many damn records. If he wins this fight,

1497
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 3: he breaks Cowboys record for most wins in UFC, or sorry,

1498
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 3: most appearances and wins. He'll already break the record for

1499
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 3: most appearances by just showing up. If he wins, he

1500
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 3: moves into like second place for wins. If he gets

1501
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 3: a submission, he moves into second place for most submissions.

1502
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think that he's not gonna win.

1503
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 3: A title, so I think his title opportunity Luke is

1504
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 3: to be able to have the moment he'll have if

1505
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 3: he wins there. Now, look, win or lose, he's gonna

1506
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 3: set the record for most appearances, but it would work

1507
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 3: a lot better if he can win on Saturday postfights. Say,

1508
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 3: here's Jim Miller, you know, the busiest fighter, and you

1509
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 3: know all that. I mean, look, this is his opportunity

1510
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 3: and you could say there may be motivation in him

1511
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 3: to then win one more and one after that and

1512
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,479
Speaker 3: actually break the UFC wins record. I don't think it'll

1513
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 3: be a record that if he breaks it, he would

1514
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 3: hold for long. There's a lot of people right around

1515
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 3: that cowboys not going anywhere.

1516
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: But I think that's his.

1517
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 3: Last opportunity to be able to retire and say, you know,

1518
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 3: nobody's won more in the octagon than me. All that

1519
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 3: long winded stuff is enough to tell me that Jim

1520
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 3: Miller is going to be in this fight Luke, maybe

1521
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 3: more than normal.

1522
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: It's still pretty much a pick them though.

1523
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the oddsmakers have I think, are they what

1524
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: are they saying about this? They are saying, you're right,

1525
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 2: They've got Miller as a slight underdog, and I think

1526
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,480
Speaker 2: the reason why is because he's got pretty good takedowns.

1527
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 2: He's obviously the younger of the two less mileage, and

1528
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 2: he's got pretty good ground and pound. That's actually been

1529
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 2: a pretty strong feature of his. So if you can

1530
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 2: avoid the guard of Miller, which granted a big if,

1531
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 2: but if you can do that, obviously his ground pound

1532
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 2: is going to sort of carry the day there. But

1533
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: he has been. He's had a weird career where he

1534
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 2: was off Vincebaschelle for a long time. He'll see he

1535
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 2: fought once, excuse me, twice in twenty fourteen, he missed

1536
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 2: all of fifteen and sixteen, fought once in seventeen, twice

1537
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 2: in eighteen, and then once in nineteen. So this is

1538
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: his first fight back. He's been wildly inconsistent by virtue

1539
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 2: of life, challenges and injuries and everything else. But he's

1540
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: a pretty talented guy, buy and large, So this will

1541
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 2: tell us exactly you know, Okay, the winner Roseve Robberts

1542
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: was nice? Was it not flukeish? But you know, did

1543
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 2: it go your way? Was the wind at you're back

1544
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 2: that day? Or something? And this will be more of

1545
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: a you know, this is gonna be more of a grinder.

1546
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 2: Let's see what you got late. You know, this does

1547
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 2: the modern style of fighting with a guy who was

1548
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: less talented than Miller was at his peak. Is that

1549
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: now good enough to beat Miller? I think that's what

1550
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 2: it's gonna tell us that. If it does, you know,

1551
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 2: he might have an exit for you. The only other

1552
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 2: fight in this card that I pay attention to is

1553
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 2: the Yoda versus Lvia Hanatos SUSA fight. Although if Alice

1554
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 2: Harrig is back against Verna Genderoba, by the way you

1555
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: be see I you're looking for the biggest favorite. Genderoba

1556
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: is the biggest favorite on this card by a mile. Also,

1557
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 2: Daniel Pineda is back taking on Gilbert's brother Herbert Burns,

1558
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 2: and Paneda's had two no contests in a row overall,

1559
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 2: what sort of he had two fights overturned because let's see,

1560
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 2: he tested positive for a banned substance, which I'm not

1561
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 2: sure which one it was, but these are from the PFL.

1562
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: Still very good fighter, heavy handed, former UFC VET. Anything there,

1563
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 2: tickle your fancy.

1564
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: Nothing at all.

1565
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 3: In fact, I would like you to give me the

1566
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 3: word that you think that describes the depth of this pay.

1567
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 2: Per view card. Uh, you know, like when I use

1568
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 2: my Sony A seven to three with the sixteen millimeter

1569
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,839
Speaker 2: lens with a one point eight f stop, shallow, shallow

1570
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 2: depth of field is the way I would describe it. Okay, okay, okay.

1571
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: These I was sitting on pillows. It was hurting my ass.

1572
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: I know the camera's on us this whole show, so well.

1573
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: I mean, my wife is sitting here attaching to my

1574
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: bluetooth speaker in the middle of the show, and what

1575
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 2: the fuck are we doing?

1576
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm putting on some shelfing.

1577
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 3: Remember when David Crosby had that intervention Luke in the

1578
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 3: early eighties from his friends because he's about to die

1579
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 3: from drugs, and they were like, we need.

1580
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: You to go on this helicopter right here to go

1581
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: and get help.

1582
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 2: See and I have important work to get to, which

1583
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about. We got to wrap

1584
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 2: this up, all right.

1585
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 3: Well, my point is David Crosby said, I'll only go

1586
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 3: to rehab if I can. If I can shoot up

1587
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 3: Heroin on the drive there, that's I'm at with my health.

1588
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,799
Speaker 3: And I wait for this peloton to get delivered.

1589
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Luke, thank you. Yeah, let's go to a real

1590
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: quick odds and ends. You're all right with this?

1591
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,799
Speaker 2: Yes? Please? What's your odds and ends for today?

1592
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 3: I can't believe Page van z d actually signed with

1593
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,879
Speaker 3: BKFC Bare Knuckle Fighting.

1594
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: Now look shout out to David Feldman a company.

1595
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 3: This is their biggest signing, like by far, we've seen

1596
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 3: Ariel have a disputed report. First he said it was

1597
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 3: a multi year deal worth just add a million with incentives.

1598
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 3: Now they're saying multi year with more millions. Luke, it's

1599
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,520
Speaker 3: easy sometimes to rip PVZ.

1600
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: In her commitment. I don't get this.

1601
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 3: I get that she wants money, and this will be,

1602
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 3: you know, more money than she's maybe ever made combined.

1603
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 3: But this is the damn bottom of the food chain

1604
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 3: in the fight game and the one that leaves you

1605
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 3: the most marked up.

1606
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,799
Speaker 1: And I saw her quotes to Ariel which were.

1607
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 3: Like, you know, everyone thinks I'm just another pretty face,

1608
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: so I'll show them. Yeah, I'll show them by destroying

1609
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 3: my pretty face. I don't get this, because even when

1610
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 3: you win in BKFC, you still lose, Luke.

1611
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: That's why it's the last stop. Okay, I don't get it.

1612
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: What are we doing here? Yeah? I don't get it either.

1613
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean part of the things, like when she wins,

1614
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: how does she win? She has like these bursts of

1615
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: creativity or risk taking, but like in more high flying ways.

1616
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: Not in kicks. Yeah, thicking this like not.

1617
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just take my gloves off and just shear

1618
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: each other's faces with knuckles. I'll say this the guy

1619
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: who runs BKFC. You know, you can say what you

1620
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 2: want about Bare Knuckle, But the guy who runs a

1621
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: David Felman is I think I said this on this show.

1622
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 2: He is deceptively smart. He finds ways to get big

1623
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: signings and listen, the money might be must be real

1624
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 2: because we both talked to Paulie when he fought Artam

1625
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 2: Lobov down there, and he was very explicit. He's like,

1626
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this unless I'm getting paid. Okay, Well

1627
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: he must have gotten paid for it because he went

1628
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 2: ahead and did it. So my hunch is that maybe

1629
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: Bellator made her an offer I don't know, and it

1630
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 2: just wasn't nearly as good as this one. Maybe she's

1631
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: got in mind, you know, a few fights and I'm

1632
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 2: out or something. It's hard to know what her goals

1633
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 2: are with what the money was in other offers, and

1634
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: how to navigate all that. All this is to say.

1635
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 3: If BKFC got an offer from a tattoo parlor where

1636
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 3: they're like, look, tell.

1637
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: Page, we'll work on her husband's throat. If she comes

1638
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: fights with us, you know we'll cover that up. That

1639
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: was you know, it was a bad idea.

1640
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 2: I think it's true. I'm not I went to the

1641
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,879
Speaker 2: UFC Expo back when those were things. When Saint Pierre

1642
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 2: fought who did he fight? Shields in Toronto? I went

1643
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 2: to that expo to just take a look around. It

1644
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: was very cool. By the way, I could have sworn

1645
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: there was a tattoo stand where if you got I

1646
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 2: Love UFC tattoo, they were doing it for free. I

1647
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 2: don't think the UFC had coordinated that. I think was

1648
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: just an independent tattoo person. I could be wrong about that.

1649
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 2: The details are a little hazy, but I think I

1650
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 2: remember that at any event, I'll say this, Listen, if

1651
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 2: she's gonna getting paid let's say four hundred K about

1652
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: which I don't think is crazy necessary, that's decent coin.

1653
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 2: And if she sells on the back end, and maybe

1654
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 2: she's got some you know, use like like a like

1655
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: a pay per view incentive like they did for UFC.

1656
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 2: You know, I do think she will move the needle there.

1657
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: But to your point, is the juice worth the squeeze

1658
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 2: if you get sliced up, I don't know how good

1659
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 2: that is for you. By the way, like you either win,

1660
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 2: you know, it's not like she's super heavy handed.

1661
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 3: You might win, but it and go to Bellotour and

1662
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 3: fight a person who's straight off the regional tour and

1663
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 3: headline cards and get praise and try.

1664
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 2: Dude, what Valerie Lareda is doing is again she's in

1665
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 2: a different part of her career that is so much smarter.

1666
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 2: Cocher gives her and again she's only three and zero,

1667
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 2: but giving her the right fight so you get to

1668
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,719
Speaker 2: keep your sponsors in Bellatore and you know, fight where

1669
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 2: you can have some advantages and use the full breadth

1670
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 2: of your ability. She's had a ton of injuries, Paige Vans,

1671
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 2: and I gotta tell you, I'm not sure I understand it.

1672
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 2: I am not sure I understand it at all, But

1673
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: I guess she's gonna get paid bit coin.

1674
01:14:59,200 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: Before we get off.

1675
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 3: Great news in boxing, one of the biggest fights is

1676
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 3: now looks like it's locked up thanks to various sources

1677
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 3: from various outlets. Vassili Lomachenko, You're pomfer pound King, the

1678
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 3: rising star, Teo Femo Lopez Junior, all four lightweight titles

1679
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 3: on the line, Luke, they're looking.

1680
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: At October seventeenth in Vegas. Look at this. Loma.

1681
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 3: Chenko gave part of his purse back to Tao Femo

1682
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 3: to make sure that there was enough money in the

1683
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 3: pot to make it happen. Obviously they'll do it in

1684
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 3: the bubble without a live gate or fans, but Luke

1685
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 3: the kicker for boxing, and this is big. Seriously, this

1686
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 3: was intended to be on pay per view. Now they're

1687
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 3: targeting regular ESPN. That's a huge win for boxing, and

1688
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 3: boxing rarely, rarely does that really gives us huge wins.

1689
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 3: So I'm fired up. How much does that the old

1690
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 3: wizard and thirty two year old Lomachenko against a guy

1691
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 3: in Lopez who Roy Jones compared to young Roy Jones?

1692
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: How much does that get you fired up?

1693
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? And for free on ESPN. If that ends up

1694
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 2: being true, one they could easily charge for pay per view. Dude,

1695
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: that is huge. I mean, I'll give a Bob Aaron credit,

1696
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: I'll give top rank credit. I'll give you know who

1697
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 2: deserves credit the most credit? Perhaps Lomachenko, who took a

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01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 2: haircut on the purse to make the fight possible. A

1699
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,799
Speaker 2: lot of Bud Crawford's like, I'm not taking a haircut.

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01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 2: Fuck that. Lomachenko did it against a young, hungry, crazy, talented,

1701
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 2: a guy who literally punches his opponents behind his own

1702
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: back tail, Fuma Lopez. You're the guy who put me

1703
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: onto him. He is a sensational fighter. And so for

1704
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: Limachenko to make that kind of sacrifice to then take

1705
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 2: on the toughest challenge that the fans wanted to see.

1706
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 2: I tip my hat to him. Man. That is that

1707
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 2: is what boxing needs to do right now anyway to

1708
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 2: make the biggest fights possible. And if the stories are reported,

1709
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 2: and that was what he did, I commend Limachenko sincerely. Amazing.

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01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 3: He just turned twenty three. It's amazing, Looke. Final bit

1711
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 3: of news. I gotta pour one out to.

1712
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 2: My Seriously, we need to wrap this up. I'm not

1713
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 2: doing a fucking bit here. Wrap it up this shit.

1714
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 3: I got a poor one out to my spirit animal

1715
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 3: be Bechkoheya following that loss got cut by the UFC.

1716
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: I love the bech Koheya era. And in fact, Luke,

1717
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of Flying Dog Brewery and Frederick Merland.

1718
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 2: Yes, the brewery.

1719
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 3: They produce a combat sports theme brew They love our

1720
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 3: show so much they sent me some. It's called Vicious Hook.

1721
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 3: They say it's a disobedient bear. It's a fruit punch

1722
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 3: sour Luke, by the good Friends, at Flying Dog. I'm

1723
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 3: gonna pour one out for betch koheia right down my

1724
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 3: throat here, shout out to Flying Dog.

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01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: I get down on the sours, Luke. This is a

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01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 1: fruit punch sour.

1727
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 2: All right? So you like the lambicks. I think that

1728
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 2: is a yes all right for my odds and ends

1729
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 2: very quickly. Javier Mendez was asked, you know, if if

1730
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 2: DC wins and is offered a Jones fight, is that

1731
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 2: something he might do? And there was a bunch of

1732
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 2: different ways that Mendez answered it, but the one thing

1733
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 2: he did say was he is not performing like a

1734
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: forty one year old. He is performing like a guy,

1735
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 2: you know, ten years younger than that, and if he

1736
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 2: wanted to do it, he would support him and corner him.

1737
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 2: The door is not closed on John Jones at heavyweight

1738
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 2: at all. I know we had the Deontay Wilder money

1739
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah and all this stuff. No dude,

1740
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: they it is still very much alive. Might be alive

1741
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 2: for Stipe as well. We just haven't had a lot

1742
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 2: of those conversations. But Javier Mendez giving oxygen to the

1743
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 2: idea that from a performance standpoint, DC has a lot

1744
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 2: left in the tank and you get a big win.

1745
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 2: And if it's quick on Saturday, like the first fight,

1746
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 2: one never knows, so we will have the best thing that.

1747
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 3: Can happen to our sport is that the winner of

1748
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 3: Saturday's main event gets John Jones next. That's the best

1749
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 3: thing because I'm telling you right now, Saturday's main event

1750
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 3: is the most prestigious in one of the most important

1751
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 3: fights in UFC history. Jones DC three even bigger, even

1752
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 3: more important, even more prestigious to legacies. I hope that

1753
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 3: if DC wins, we get a John Jones. Get your

1754
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 3: shit together. I'm coming after you and try to come

1755
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 3: after this vicious hook beer Luke. Look, the carbonation just

1756
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 3: exploded on my career.

1757
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 2: But if you see you are right now, dude, I

1758
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 2: really need to go. Listen, let's plug this. Tomorrow. You

1759
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 2: and I are gonna be I'm not sure if it's

1760
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 2: on this channel or it's gonna be on the Showtime

1761
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 2: Sports channel on YouTube. We'll get some clarification for it,

1762
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 2: but you and I are going to be hosting the

1763
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: weigh ins for Benavidez and Goulo Showtime Championship Boxing Back

1764
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 2: super Middleweight contest on Saturday, the weigh ins are tomorrow.

1765
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: We will start at ten forty five in the morning

1766
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 2: and get the fans ready for that main event and

1767
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 2: of course everything else on that card. So stay tuned

1768
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 2: to our social media channels. I think Jay will put

1769
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 2: them up here. You can follow BC on Twitter or

1770
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 2: on Instagram. You can follow me on Twitter or Instagram.

1771
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 2: You can follow Morning Combat on Instagram as well as

1772
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 2: on YouTube as well. There you go. You can see

1773
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 2: all the stuff putting up there as well. Okay, so

1774
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: we got to get out of here for Malkoff or

1775
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 2: showtime for BC. I'm Luke Thomas. Join us tomorrow morning

1776
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 2: ten forty five am for the Benavidez and Goulawayans and

1777
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 2: until then, may all of your gains be loyal.