Speaker 1: What's up everyone on Tory Deal And I'm Anissa Ferreira
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 2: And today we have no guest but Anissa.
Speaker 3: I'm really excited to break down this episode with you
Speaker 3: because there's so much to talk.
Speaker 1: About, so much. My notes are so long, dude, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, what even happened?
Speaker 3: Should we start with a little recap of the previous week,
Speaker 3: just so we can keep everyone up to date, because
Speaker 3: last week was insane.
Speaker 2: It was when Cam voted herself into that elimination.
Speaker 1: And then Cam took out Tina. Yes, then she stole
Speaker 1: Car a star, which she said, I mean Cam literally
Speaker 1: she said what she was going to do, and then
Speaker 1: she did it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely And I think that was such a bold move
Speaker 3: in the game and probably one of the most powerful
Speaker 3: episodes I've ever witnessed on any Challenge, let alone All Stars.
Speaker 3: So I think that that deserves an extra little highlight
Speaker 3: again because that was just such an incredible episode and
Speaker 3: I'm still feel like I'm riding high off that from
Speaker 3: last week. I mean, it sets the whole thing up,
Speaker 3: so the environment feels like if we were to be
Speaker 3: living in that house, it would have been so talk.
Speaker 1: Nope, nope, don't even want to think about it. I
Speaker 1: want to think about even visiting the house, Like, would
Speaker 1: you like to tour this house? Absolutely not. I don't
Speaker 1: want the Toxicity house. Actually, don't want to visit. We
Speaker 1: could just drive on by that house and go to
Speaker 1: the next one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I mean it was brutal, but thankfully they
Speaker 3: start this episode out and I think that the producer
Speaker 3: did this strategically with this nice little pool party where
Speaker 3: everyone seems to be getting along.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then Avery opens up about her life, which
Speaker 1: is nice because we get to see that she gets
Speaker 1: a little bit emotional about her brother. She's cleaning the pool, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and then and then it just goes
Speaker 1: straight drama, I know, for the next to it for
Speaker 1: the next forty two minutes.
Speaker 3: I know. But you know what I want to touch
Speaker 3: on before we get into the drama. Did you notice
Speaker 3: that one little clip of Lee Ray and Cam talking
Speaker 3: and they were like joking about giving Kingston a baby sister.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know. And then he has a
Speaker 1: baby sister. Now I know he has a baby sister.
Speaker 1: Talk about foreshadowing dude exactly.
Speaker 2: Like that is crazy to me.
Speaker 1: I mean they waited a little bit after the season
Speaker 1: was over, and then they were like, Okay, let's make
Speaker 1: this shit come true. But that's there's something special about
Speaker 1: that couple.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely, they're super cute. Besides the love, it's
Speaker 3: it's Cam's ability.
Speaker 1: To tell the future. Yeah, she's either gonna make the
Speaker 1: future or tell it.
Speaker 2: And also it was like that's it.
Speaker 3: It was like the joking little scene of Leero being like,
Speaker 3: you know, we're about to make another baby and he
Speaker 3: was like I'm kidding and she's like I'm not.
Speaker 2: And I just loved that.
Speaker 1: I'm not You're going to give me another baby? Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like, oh shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was really sweet and it was a nice way
Speaker 3: to start off the episode. Obviously, right until we get
Speaker 3: back into this game. I mean immediately Nicole gets into
Speaker 3: it with Kara. Nicole and Kara, yeah, I mean back
Speaker 3: and forth. Yeah, but then Aces like Car's my best friend.
Speaker 3: I'm like, when did these these are? You know how
Speaker 3: it is on the show, like you become friends with people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just out of nowhere. I wish I would have seen.
Speaker 1: I felt like I see a lot of Kara and
Speaker 1: Steve together and Ace is there too, Like they partner up,
Speaker 1: but I would have liked to see their friendship a
Speaker 1: little bit more like unfolding. Yeah, but it's nice to
Speaker 1: have a you know, like a rider dires a number
Speaker 1: one in the game, especially when you haven't been in
Speaker 1: it for so long.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think like what Ace has shown us about
Speaker 3: his personality since the beginning of All Stars is that
Speaker 3: he really doesn't like to go with the grain. And
Speaker 3: I think he notices that Kara is on an island
Speaker 3: of her own in a way, and so I think
Speaker 3: he just naturally gravitates towards whatever isn't popular.
Speaker 1: He is he likes the unpopular opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is that, and I think it's it makes
Speaker 3: for obviously comfort for Kara for sure, because I can't
Speaker 3: imagine what it's like to actually I can imagine what
Speaker 3: it's like to be an island.
Speaker 2: And he wants you there. Yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 1: We've all totally get it, totally get it. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: just going to keep you to the end, and then
Speaker 1: we're going to dispose of you. Yeah, perfect, thank you.
Speaker 3: It definitely doesn't feel great, And I think it's interesting
Speaker 3: because you know, I think probably coming into this game, maybe.
Speaker 2: Kara and law Car and Nicole and Cam.
Speaker 3: Obviously we're all on decent terms, but we're at this
Speaker 3: point in the game where it's completely flipped and now.
Speaker 2: All three of those girls are against Kara.
Speaker 1: Well, Laurel and Cara haven't haven't talked in a while
Speaker 1: or so, I just to assume that they're not on
Speaker 1: the best of terms coming into this game. And then
Speaker 1: Nicole and Laurel weren't talking until this game, and Cam
Speaker 1: and Kara were friends until Lara didn't want to vote
Speaker 1: the way Cam needed her to vote. So it's like
Speaker 1: whomever wasn't friends before are still not friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because I'm trying to like really piece
Speaker 3: it together, right like, and we get these interviews of
Speaker 3: everyone basically shit talking one another, but I'm trying to
Speaker 3: like find.
Speaker 2: The core of the truth buried beneath the interview.
Speaker 3: And what I think I'm coming to the conclusion of
Speaker 3: is that just like what happened with Kara and Cam,
Speaker 3: when Kara and Cam didn't want to vote the same way,
Speaker 3: it became this huge rift in their relationship. And I
Speaker 3: think now because Nicole has swayed previous votes.
Speaker 2: To not align with the way Carr wanted to vote.
Speaker 3: It's just totally gameplay that's then turning into a personal thing.
Speaker 3: So it makes me wonder, like, is are people taking
Speaker 3: this game too personally?
Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't know. I mean, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of on the fence, like yes and no, Like I know,
Speaker 1: we all say it's just a game, yeah, but there
Speaker 1: are real friendships outside of the show. I think just
Speaker 1: lines get blurred, people's feelings get hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that there are a lot of egos this season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're just getting these egos are getting beat up
Speaker 1: they which is and then they're rebounding egos where it's
Speaker 1: like now the ego is bigger than it was before.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like the people have had
Speaker 1: their feelings hurt and maybe they're just turning it into
Speaker 1: just gameplay at this point. Kind of works for all
Speaker 1: of them though, because then it gives you like a
Speaker 1: reason to be kind of like petty and spiteful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's interesting because, like you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: they're are these petty moments that turn into something even
Speaker 3: just it just makes it all so much heavier, which
Speaker 3: I think is like what's happening It's like when the
Speaker 3: energy of a game feels this heavy, it's incredibly difficult
Speaker 3: to navigate because it's very emotionally driven. But it's also
Speaker 3: really entertaining to watch because it's so raw.
Speaker 2: So we're like.
Speaker 3: Seeing these moments between people where it's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: like this is.
Speaker 2: Actually these are real emotions. This isn't fake beef.
Speaker 1: This is like actually happening right, Like this is going
Speaker 1: outside the show. You know when you do something on
Speaker 1: a show and you're like I hate that, and then
Speaker 1: you get off the show and you're like, I love
Speaker 1: this person. Yes, I don't think that's gonna happen here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't think so either.
Speaker 3: But maybe a little bit with Kara and Cam, like
Speaker 3: even when Kara was sitting in the kitchen or Cam
Speaker 3: was sitting in the kitchen and Kara was in the
Speaker 3: living room. She was talking to I think Jay and
Speaker 3: Flora was in the in the room as well. Car
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I'm not gonna take your star Cam,
Speaker 3: like you know, you command presents. And then Cam says
Speaker 3: to Kara, oh, Car, you have an army. So there
Speaker 3: seems to be some respect, But do you think that
Speaker 3: Cam is right and Kara actually has an army in
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kara has more people than she likes to
Speaker 1: lead on, you know, like she has Steve, she has Ace,
Speaker 1: she has Jay Jay. There's three people right there. You know,
Speaker 1: she's friendly with other people. The only people she has
Speaker 1: has kind of beef with are Nicole and Laurel right now,
Speaker 1: and sometimes Cam and Flora. Well, no, I don't even
Speaker 1: know if it's beef. Flora just is like, listen, you
Speaker 1: are a baby. Stop being a baby. And that's it.
Speaker 1: Flora is just an adult and she has a child,
Speaker 1: and she's just like, I'm sick of you whining. It
Speaker 1: is had enough. Flora's had enough. She also has been
Speaker 1: out of this for so long.
Speaker 2: She's had enough. You can tell that she's just like,
Speaker 2: she's not here for the bullshit.
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. She would have grounded all
Speaker 1: of those kids.
Speaker 2: That was She's.
Speaker 1: She's savage, dude. Listen. The women are always An honorable
Speaker 1: mention goes to Ryan Kehoe for nailing his interviews as
Speaker 1: well this episode. But the women are They always carry
Speaker 1: the seasons to the savage interviews. Listen, Savage, like nobody
Speaker 1: gives a shit. It's like they're they're interviewing, like no
Speaker 1: one else is going to watch this, and I'm here
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting as we right before we get
Speaker 3: into the challenge, you know, Jay seems to be pretty
Speaker 3: torn between Nicole and Kara, but walking up to the challenge,
Speaker 3: he's not too worried about it because we assume it's
Speaker 3: gonna be a.
Speaker 2: Guy's day because last week was a girl's day.
Speaker 3: And then they all pull up to this challenge it's
Speaker 3: called run the Plank and a big no thank you.
Speaker 3: I have no interest in running a plank.
Speaker 1: Doing Ryan key Hoe and pussy Kat Crawl the plank.
Speaker 2: Oh it's amazing, meow. But the TEJ says.
Speaker 3: That it's gonna be a girl's day again. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: you're not doing us any favors, Bro, I'd be pissed.
Speaker 3: I mean, it could have gone either way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're getting to the end of the show,
Speaker 1: so it's you know, the final is approaching dangerously close.
Speaker 1: It's moments away. Yeah, so yeah, I mean I would
Speaker 1: be pissed if I were a girl and going into
Speaker 1: that challenge. I mean, you know what it's like having
Speaker 1: that kind of pressure Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think I just would have been most upset if
Speaker 3: I was Cam, because the week before she was kind
Speaker 3: of certain it was like maybe the last Girl's Day
Speaker 3: or close to it, and then basically all that work
Speaker 3: she did just leads to another Girl's Day and it
Speaker 3: kind of just like starting back from the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and obviously this challenge looks really difficult. I mean, like
Speaker 3: all of the challenges have to jump off this plank
Speaker 3: which is up high in the air.
Speaker 2: They have to grab these balls.
Speaker 1: It's not even the jumping tory. It's getting up to
Speaker 1: the part where you have to jump. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: lot running thy plank. Yeah, that's scary. Yeah that Cam
Speaker 1: was like absolutely not. And we talked to Cam about
Speaker 1: her postpartum anxiety and how I think. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: never seen Cam ever quit anything, so for her to
Speaker 1: do that, she had to be scared, she had to
Speaker 1: be anxious, and you know, we both know what that's like.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel for her. I'm sure that was hard,
Speaker 1: but like she definitively was like, no, babe, can't do it,
Speaker 1: and he was like, okay, babe.
Speaker 2: He was really a great supporter on that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because anybody else Lewd would have been pissed. He's
Speaker 1: more scared of cam than elimination. So that's hilarious. I
Speaker 1: can't and that's fair. It's the mother of his child, right,
Speaker 1: fair to say. Yes, so there's no shade there. That
Speaker 1: is one thousand percent of the truth. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, aside from them deciding to disqualify themselves, everybody in
Speaker 3: this first group is pretty awful.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a slow group.
Speaker 3: I mean, like Kara and they think that they're crushing it,
Speaker 3: but like by the end of it, I mean they're like, well,
Speaker 3: that took us a really long time.
Speaker 1: To finish, right, that took us an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: We definitely didn't win that one. And the second group
Speaker 1: hasn't even gone yet. Yeah, I mean the guinea pig plank.
Speaker 3: I got to give some extra special love to Veronica
Speaker 3: and to Flora, because although they probably did not want
Speaker 3: to do these jumps, they did it and that is honorable.
Speaker 1: So I gotta get them an over. Veronica's tiny little
Speaker 1: self over and over again, just jumping off and just
Speaker 1: missing it. Yeah, but that effort, that effort, yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: honorable mentions all around.
Speaker 3: I think this would have been a fun day to
Speaker 3: be a guy because you get to just like do
Speaker 3: this challenge without worry about going into elimination. So I
Speaker 3: would have preferred it like to not I would have
Speaker 3: preferred to be a guy on this day just to
Speaker 3: not have to have that stress. Because by itself the
Speaker 3: challenge was scary enough. But this first group was so
Speaker 3: bad that literally every single one of them are in
Speaker 3: the losing group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but you know, I not only is
Speaker 1: it scary, they don't know what they're doing. However, I
Speaker 1: would think after the first jump you kind of like
Speaker 1: get the hang of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they were like nope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, definitely not. The second group so absolutely crushes it.
Speaker 3: I mean Derek and Laurel.
Speaker 1: Wow, Derek has been the surprise of surprises this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really has been.
Speaker 1: Daddy long legs, Daddy long legs. He legitimately is the
Speaker 1: fastest kid around mm hmm. And he also can jump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's really good.
Speaker 3: And Laurel it's no surprise that she's good at this,
Speaker 3: Like she really does lock into high gear when it
Speaker 3: comes to anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think that she has one of these
Speaker 1: in her backyard one hundred percent, Like, oh, we would
Speaker 1: just do this at the lake every summer. Yeah, walk
Speaker 1: the plank and just jump and grab a string.
Speaker 3: I think she like lacks that like fear quality in
Speaker 3: her brain a little bit, uh, not quality that fear.
Speaker 3: Is it like a hereditary thing or like do you
Speaker 3: think she's I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like it's the it's the what the sympathetic nervous is
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's the amygdala.
Speaker 2: Thanks Anisia for the anatomy life.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like it's fight or flight mode, and I
Speaker 1: feel like she just lacks the ability to like fear stuff.
Speaker 1: So there is no you know, it's just fight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So she just goes on in I'm wrong, take
Speaker 1: my degree from me. Don't take it from me. Just
Speaker 1: give me an f for the day. I'd like to
Speaker 1: give myself a pending star today, justin we'll get.
Speaker 2: Some fact checks on that. Feel free to fact check.
Speaker 3: And he said, let us know, we would love to
Speaker 3: know anybody who has a degree in anatom.
Speaker 1: Please let us know. All right, we have to take
Speaker 1: a quick break. Don't move, We'll be right back after this. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get back to the show.
Speaker 3: This second group also kind of blows my mind a
Speaker 3: little bit, because I think Jay is kind of out
Speaker 3: of the loop. He's assuming that him and the cole
Speaker 3: are going to win, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: they come in last place of that second group, which
Speaker 3: is still good enough to keep them out of the
Speaker 3: losing bracket, but he's like, we could have won. So
Speaker 3: do you think this is my question, do you think
Speaker 3: Nicole actually was throwing it for Laura win or do
Speaker 3: you think that she is just blaming her.
Speaker 1: Loss on that I'm on the fence? Okay, she was like,
Speaker 1: little did they know I'm doing this for Laurel? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, you're not, or maybe you are.
Speaker 1: But Nicole is so competitive, y, you know, it's hard
Speaker 1: to I've thrown challenges before though, so like, yeah, strategy wise,
Speaker 1: I can see because she's also in zero danger. Like
Speaker 1: I get Jay wanting to win because he has to
Speaker 1: redeem himself right on so many levels, which isn't Like
Speaker 1: I don't think Jay's like waiting for TJ to give
Speaker 1: him a drink so he can like finish it and
Speaker 1: be like, see, guys, I've grown. He's just trying to
Speaker 1: like be you know, a dominant like competitor at this point, yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm good at stuff. I've been doing CrossFit,
Speaker 1: I'm a firefighter. Why the hell aren't we winning?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So I think that in something where they easily could
Speaker 1: have won, I think Jay's pissed that they didn't. But
Speaker 1: I mean, neither of them have to worry, right, not
Speaker 1: a guy's day, right, And Nicole gets to save her.
Speaker 2: Boo yep, and Avery and Adam just crush it.
Speaker 3: They make a great pair, they do, yeah, and a
Speaker 3: cute pair at that, right they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they make a great pew. They're really cute.
Speaker 2: I know, I know.
Speaker 3: And then Laurel gets back into the house and she's
Speaker 3: had this master plan cooking up that she's going to
Speaker 3: go into elimination and take Carr's star, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: I think she feels inspired by Cam a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know, like Cam just definitely.
Speaker 1: Had this bold move bravery bug, and she's passing it
Speaker 1: down the line.
Speaker 2: The bravery bug is that what we're calling that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think more people need to catch it.
Speaker 2: I need to catch it for sure. Yeah. I love
Speaker 2: a bravery.
Speaker 1: Bug, I mean because then you just are always ready,
Speaker 1: You're like whatever, you know, But yeah, that happened. But
Speaker 1: I'm on the fence with the one too, like because
Speaker 1: Laurel's saying it because she wants to go in and
Speaker 1: actually get her star. Where she's saying it because it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the bold thing to do. Right, No, right,
Speaker 1: But I do feel like Laurel's like, if I'm going
Speaker 1: to go in against anybody and potentially take them out,
Speaker 1: I want it to be Kara.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bit calculated for sure, and I think
Speaker 3: that she is whether or not these interviews really show
Speaker 3: the depths of her thoughts about this. She's definitely calculating
Speaker 3: if it's an elimination that she's gonna be good at Cara,
Speaker 3: on the other hand, is talking to Ace and is like,
Speaker 3: once she finds out that Cara could be going up
Speaker 3: against Cam, she's like talking herself down from it all,
Speaker 3: and Ace is like, hey, listen, you don't get to
Speaker 3: choose who you go against.
Speaker 2: You got to go back in and get your star,
Speaker 2: so you just got to go in.
Speaker 3: And then Kara has this like, you know, she has
Speaker 3: this moment where she kind of toughs up a bit
Speaker 3: and she's like, all right, yeah, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Go get it. And then a praying mantis lands on
Speaker 2: her and the producers give it subtitles, and that's when
Speaker 2: I refell in.
Speaker 1: Love with the Challenge producers again and praying mantisis.
Speaker 2: Dude, it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, you love animals and all types
Speaker 1: and insects. I don't like to call praying mantis an insect.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that sounds like such a It's
Speaker 1: like not a big enough word for praying mantis. Yeah, noble,
Speaker 1: noble creature.
Speaker 2: It is a noble creature.
Speaker 1: It's a noble creature.
Speaker 2: She was a fairy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think at this point it's just one
Speaker 1: of those games where like you have to pretend that
Speaker 1: you're not that you want to go back into elimination
Speaker 1: to get your star, like you have to go in
Speaker 1: to get it, Like you cannot go to this final
Speaker 1: with that one. It's like the skull twist, Like we've
Speaker 1: seen this before where people put on their bravery coat
Speaker 1: tory and they were like, I'm gonna go in and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna either get it or I'm not. And I
Speaker 1: think when you when you come to terms and are
Speaker 1: at peace with the fact that you're definitely going in,
Speaker 1: you can really like kind of prepare you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's true for the.
Speaker 1: Winner the loss, because I think at this point Kara
Speaker 1: is giving Cam her flowers, like, yeah, if I go
Speaker 1: in against Cam, I mean she's a badass. That's it,
Speaker 1: like win or lose, right, And I think it's it's
Speaker 1: very different when you go in against the competitor your respect.
Speaker 3: I think so too, And it's almost better to go
Speaker 3: in against the competitor you respect.
Speaker 2: Like obviously Harlow Okay with the winner the loss, Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly exactly. You never want to lose to somebody that
Speaker 2: you that.
Speaker 1: You don't like at all. Yeah, because it's horrifying and
Speaker 1: it haunts you and it keeps you up at night folks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not a good feeling.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because before the nominations even happen, Cam tries
Speaker 3: to like cross her t's and dot her eyes, and
Speaker 3: she has another conversation with Laurel, trying to get a
Speaker 3: gauge on if Laurel is actually going to go into elimination.
Speaker 3: She's really making sure that Laurel is holding herself accountable
Speaker 3: for what she's been saying that she's going to.
Speaker 1: Hear did you hear Laurel say this one word changes everything.
Speaker 2: Yes, it starts with the tea. But tentively, tentatively, yes,
Speaker 2: that's a word.
Speaker 1: That's what she said. She didn't say definitively. She said
Speaker 1: I'm tentatively At the end she added that in yeah,
Speaker 1: like yes, I'm gonna go in. Yeah, that's tentatively. My like,
Speaker 1: it's not one hundred percent and that right there should
Speaker 1: have told Cam just stay ready because she may not
Speaker 1: come down. She didn't say I'm definitely going in right tentatively. Friends,
Speaker 1: Look like people are really smart when they use specific words,
Speaker 1: because you can go back and look at that clip
Speaker 1: and be like, ah, Okay, I can't really be mad
Speaker 1: at Laurel because she didn't lie.
Speaker 2: No, No, she didn't, so she didn't.
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, Cam holds Laurel up to
Speaker 3: a high regard, and she assumes that because Laurel is
Speaker 3: such a well respected player in the game, she's going
Speaker 3: to follow through with what she says. Also, Cam, the
Speaker 3: week before, you know, we don't have to talk about
Speaker 3: that again. I mean, it was just so it was
Speaker 3: so incredible what she did, Like she really.
Speaker 1: Think you need to make a T shirt.
Speaker 3: She moved mountains, you know, to make that happen, and
Speaker 3: like you got to respect it, so.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, but Cam's that kind of a player, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so you don't expect anything less than that.
Speaker 1: I think that we're all just hoping. I think the
Speaker 1: viewers too. I think we're all hoping that Laurel goes
Speaker 1: in because we all want to see a showdown.
Speaker 3: But regardless, it's going to be a showdown as long,
Speaker 3: clearly as long as Kara and Cam get nominated, which
Speaker 3: brings us to nominations, and these people are the deciding
Speaker 3: factor on who goes into the elimination. It's Avery and
Speaker 3: Adam and Nicole and Jay and obviously Jay, especially since
Speaker 3: the beginning of this episode mentions that he's in a
Speaker 3: rough spot between Cara and Nicole, and Nicole is hell
Speaker 3: bent on sending in Carr to this elimination. Do you
Speaker 3: think that there was like a conversation between Jay and
Speaker 3: Kara prior to this nomination where maybe you know, Cara
Speaker 3: was trying to get in jayzer and sway the vote
Speaker 3: one way or the other. Or do you think that
Speaker 3: it was just what Jay wanted to do.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if they've talked
Speaker 1: about it like throughout the time being there, but Kara
Speaker 1: knows that she has to go in, Like we we
Speaker 1: don't know if there's another chance for these people, you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen it before, like uh, you don't have a
Speaker 1: partner or oh you don't have a skull, or oh
Speaker 1: you don't have a start, like you're not run the final,
Speaker 1: So we could you know, show up at the next
Speaker 1: challenge if there is one and be like Siya, So
Speaker 1: I think because of that it kind of lights a
Speaker 1: fire under Cars asked like, well, I don't even need
Speaker 1: to have a conversation because I actually have to go in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go and run around the house
Speaker 1: in politic at this point because you need it.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, absolutely, And I think Jay's actually making
Speaker 3: a valid point, right, Like let's say Kara is voted
Speaker 3: down there and so is Cam, and if Laurel loses
Speaker 3: and she decides to go in and take Cam's place,
Speaker 3: then Cara beats Laurel, who doesn't have a star, and
Speaker 3: then Caara gets to steal that star from Nicole.
Speaker 2: So it's like he's looking out for.
Speaker 3: Nicole's best interest by saying this, but ultimately it's not enough.
Speaker 2: To sway the vote because.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about her stealing.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what if it.
Speaker 3: But if Caara and Cam go against each other, Thenkara
Speaker 3: just beats Cam back for her star.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, no, I get that part. But I
Speaker 1: think any of those girls in means any one of
Speaker 1: them gone. Yeah, and that if you're trying to win,
Speaker 1: you don't want one of those girls in the final totally. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: let's you know, be honest about it, right, I probably
Speaker 1: don't want to go against all these people. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so somebody's got to go. So either way the cookie crumbles.
Speaker 1: Like from a competitors standpoint, you want your best chances
Speaker 1: for any one of three of those girls going in
Speaker 1: and one of them leaving.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So whichever way it goes, as long as like
Speaker 1: if I was up there and I have a star,
Speaker 1: clearly I want my friend to win so they don't
Speaker 1: steal my.
Speaker 2: Star exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: But because I'm not there, I can say no shade
Speaker 1: unbiased opinion right now, anyone of y'all can go home
Speaker 1: just because I am trying to.
Speaker 3: Win, Yeah, for sure. I mean the threats they're all threats. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a complement.
Speaker 1: This literally a preface if I say no shade like,
Speaker 1: it's not yeah, it's it's not any there's zero. It's
Speaker 1: definitely a strategic move, you know. So I you know,
Speaker 1: it really depends on if Laurel's gonna pull the trigger.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think this is a really big moment
Speaker 3: in Challenge history.
Speaker 2: I mean even Avery can feel it.
Speaker 3: As she's sliding up the names on the board, She's like,
Speaker 3: I was told to do this, Like she.
Speaker 1: Knows, like, please don't, please, don't hurt me.
Speaker 2: It's about to be the Clash of the Titans.
Speaker 3: Like this is Cam and Kara are listed to go
Speaker 3: into that elimination, and.
Speaker 2: The only person who can intervene is a Laurel. This
Speaker 2: is like.
Speaker 1: The right that's my worst nightmare, worst nightmare. All right,
Speaker 1: welcome to elimination.
Speaker 3: What do we see, dude, it's mud pits, it's cage,
Speaker 3: it's balls, it's fun, it's a sounds like a birthday.
Speaker 1: It's wet, it's a cage, it's balls. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we're in the cage with the balls or underneath
Speaker 1: the balls with the cage, but we're here. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: here minus the dungeon.
Speaker 3: Minus the dungeon, dude, and I mean car The look
Speaker 3: on car Space is like pretty confident, Like she's looking
Speaker 3: around like I think I got this one in the bag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like I love this. Yeah, this looks so fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I never ever, ever, I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: counted Kim out of anything, hopscotch, swimming, eat it. Like
Speaker 1: I've never counted her out. The lady has never played
Speaker 1: a sport in her life, and for some reason is
Speaker 1: amazing Yeah, challenges.
Speaker 2: She's not just game.
Speaker 1: So she's like, I mean a world did play volleyball,
Speaker 1: but Laurel's really good at this weird like she'd be
Speaker 1: greated like a ball's cage pit type of thing too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Laura looks down on it, and she's looking at
Speaker 3: the elimination, and I think it's pretty clear just from
Speaker 3: her facial expression that this is obviously a really tough decision.
Speaker 3: She's gonna have to potentially screw over cam, which I
Speaker 3: don't think she really wanted to do, but I think
Speaker 3: as she's eyeing it up, she's looking at it realizing
Speaker 3: that Kara is probably going to thrive in this she'd
Speaker 3: have a better chance going against Cam just based on
Speaker 3: size alone, because both Cam and Laurel are tall, and
Speaker 3: I think that being shorter kind of makes you able
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more nimble underneath that cage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know how deep these little moat situations,
Speaker 1: these little spices of water are. Are they mud pits?
Speaker 1: Though they can swim in them? Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: it was mud. It's mud soup. It's sand soup.
Speaker 2: It's sand soup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's yes, it's sand soup. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think. Also, Laurel was like, I want to I
Speaker 1: want to put my hands on something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Laura was like, I want to body her. She
Speaker 1: wanted some physical yes, she wanted to put hands on Yeah,
Speaker 1: she want hands on, balls in pull wrestle, any of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: anything but a cage and water, Yeah, and balls.
Speaker 3: And when Laurel says she doesn't want to go down Carla,
Speaker 3: Marie's immediate response is, Laurel's afraid of me. Then Jay
Speaker 3: Co signs that in his interview, and then Ace says
Speaker 3: it in his interview, And I want to know, do
Speaker 3: you think that Laurel is afraid of Kara.
Speaker 1: No, I think Laurel was afraid to lose to Kara
Speaker 1: in something where Laurel didn't feel that it catered to
Speaker 1: her strengths.
Speaker 2: I agree, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's scared of her at all, but
Speaker 1: I don't think she also. I don't think she wants
Speaker 1: to lose to her either, And that goes back to
Speaker 1: my like thing like respecting another player, like they've been
Speaker 1: rocky this whole time. Yeah, so it's like I think
Speaker 1: they were on good terms. She may have put herself
Speaker 1: down there, right, but Laurel's a smart player too. She
Speaker 1: wants to be in that final. She thinks that there's
Speaker 1: another chance, and I hope for her sake there is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And when she declines, obviously, Cara thinks that it's
Speaker 3: because she's scared. But then cam really gives it to Laurel.
Speaker 1: She's like Campbell's like, so what about our conversation?
Speaker 3: And Cara's mouth drops, which is now like what Kara
Speaker 3: was speculating. Now she knows for sure was true because
Speaker 3: she's like, oh shit, like Laurel said that she was
Speaker 3: gonna come.
Speaker 1: Take you out right.
Speaker 2: You can feel attention in the scene, like you can.
Speaker 1: Feel it through the cut it with a knife.
Speaker 2: It's it's intense.
Speaker 3: I mean, ultimately, at the end of the day, like
Speaker 3: Laurel doesn't have to go into the elimination, which is great.
Speaker 3: She is making sure that one of the strongest girls
Speaker 3: of the game gets knocked out. The only downside is
Speaker 3: that she doesn't get a star. But for the girls
Speaker 3: in the sand, this is going to be a showdown.
Speaker 3: Literally the entire season, it's been Cara verus Cam, and
Speaker 3: now we get to see them go head to head
Speaker 3: in an elimination, and I think it's probably one of
Speaker 3: the best eliminations and storylines for sure of the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean the rivalries that are being created and the
Speaker 1: stories that these women are being able to create and
Speaker 1: tell phenomenal. Like we couldn't have wrote something better than that. Like,
Speaker 1: they literally are killing it, dude, It's amazing. If Cam loses, like,
Speaker 1: let's just look at it. If Cam loses, she gets
Speaker 1: to go back to her baby and doesn't have to
Speaker 1: pump before challenges in the South African Sun. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: she also has another person in the game, so she's
Speaker 1: still in the game even if she goes home.
Speaker 2: It's very true it's very great, you know.
Speaker 1: So I would like to ask you, Tori, would you
Speaker 1: want to marry me? So if one of us wins,
Speaker 1: we both.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great plan. Anisa, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: So that's a yes, you heard it here first. Actually no,
Speaker 1: actually no, we don't need to give people any more
Speaker 1: reasons yeah to hate us, forget it. I don't even
Speaker 1: like Tory anymore. Yeah, all right, we have to take
Speaker 1: a quick break. Don't move, We'll be right back after this.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 1: So they get in and Cam is super fast at
Speaker 1: this I mean killing it when she has like six
Speaker 1: balls in before Car has won, or she has four
Speaker 1: balls in, Car has no no balls in, and if
Speaker 1: Cam keeps this pace, she'll win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, it's like you can tell what's happening
Speaker 3: watching it from like the drone point of view, you know,
Speaker 3: because obviously when Cam's in it, she's not looking over
Speaker 3: to Car's cage.
Speaker 2: She can't see what we see as viewers. She doesn't couldn't.
Speaker 3: Hear any she can't hear She's not realizing it's so
Speaker 3: much easier to say what you would do when you're
Speaker 3: not in the elimination. When you're in the elimination, all
Speaker 3: of your senses are completely locked in on what you're doing.
Speaker 3: There's water smacking her in the ear. She's going under
Speaker 3: the water and crawling under a cage. Like it's a
Speaker 3: totally different experience. And Cam her strategy just today wasn't
Speaker 3: the strategy that got her the wind because Kara did
Speaker 3: the smart thing. She went all the way to the
Speaker 3: back of the cage. She moved all of those balls
Speaker 3: up and even though Cam had such a big head start,
Speaker 3: because Kara did that, it made those last few balls
Speaker 3: just fly like Kara did twelve balls all in one
Speaker 3: go pretty much because she was able to move them
Speaker 3: all the way up from the back.
Speaker 1: So it was just well, Cam only had what one
Speaker 1: or two that she won that she.
Speaker 3: Missed one all the way in the back, and then
Speaker 3: there was one like halfway back. But still it's journeying
Speaker 3: all the way to the back of the cage and
Speaker 3: then coming all the way back up with the ball
Speaker 3: like it just takes time.
Speaker 1: Right, I totally agree, And it was so close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was You got to give both girls their props,
Speaker 3: like they really crushed this elimination, and honestly, for all
Speaker 3: the Challengers watching, I think this was a pretty good
Speaker 3: showcase on why you should make sure if you're going
Speaker 3: to do multiple trips that you don't have to collect
Speaker 3: all your balls at the back of the cage at.
Speaker 2: The end when you're probably a little winded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, make sure you bring all your balls to the front. People.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bring your ball to the front.
Speaker 1: Bring your balls to the front. It's not being crazy
Speaker 1: and bring your balls to the front.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, sure enough.
Speaker 3: You know, Car gets another elimination win this season, and
Speaker 3: Cam has.
Speaker 2: To go home. I think one of the sweetest.
Speaker 3: Things about Cam leaving, or the scene of her leaving,
Speaker 3: is Leroy running down.
Speaker 2: In a white T shirt with no regard for the
Speaker 2: white T shirt.
Speaker 3: Cam is clearly covered in wet and sand soup and
Speaker 3: he just hugs her and you.
Speaker 2: Could just tell how much they love you, love you, babe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really sweet.
Speaker 1: I know I was thinking of just hearing it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: Leroy has grown so much, yeah before our eyes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Cam is so good for him, and I'm just
Speaker 1: happy they found each other. I mean, when it works,
Speaker 1: it works, you know. So I love seeing a super
Speaker 1: positive couple that even if they had drama, you'd never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they keep their arguments pretty low key. They have
Speaker 1: such respect for one another, yes, one another's privacy, And
Speaker 1: I have nothing bad to say. I'm happy Leroi's still
Speaker 1: in the game. He could fight for Cam and fight
Speaker 1: for King and fight for their the new baby that's gonna.
Speaker 2: Come, yeah, but that already came.
Speaker 1: That already came.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And now Kara gets to walk back in
Speaker 3: and like, regardless of anything, it's important to just acknowledge
Speaker 3: the fact that she is having an incredible season. She
Speaker 3: has won her second elimination now and she gets a
Speaker 3: star again. And I just can only imagine the feeling
Speaker 3: that Laurel has in this moment, because her whole goal
Speaker 3: was to.
Speaker 2: Get make sure that Car loses her star.
Speaker 3: And then Car gets out of the game and unfortunately
Speaker 3: she's back to square one.
Speaker 1: Now that shit happened, well it was close, but then
Speaker 1: you know it was a wash. And now Laurel's back
Speaker 1: to square one. Yep, and we are not sure Laurel's
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get a star. I'm really interested. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she may have really aft herself on this one.
Speaker 3: I agree and Lisa, I think it's gonna be an
Speaker 3: interesting road to the final And you know, but TJ
Speaker 3: always has tricks up his sleeve, so I just don't
Speaker 3: want to, you know what I think about think about
Speaker 3: it like this, Remember and Rider dies when it was like,
Speaker 3: if your partner's here, I said.
Speaker 1: To when he's like, well, I told you guys you
Speaker 1: needed your partner. Yeah, and FESSI, Casey and I are
Speaker 1: sitting there standing there like so yeah. Casey looked at me.
Speaker 1: I looked at her. I was like she was like
Speaker 1: fuck this. I'm like, you want to go get some wine.
Speaker 1: I literally thought I was done your face your facing that.
Speaker 1: I want to pause it and then I want to
Speaker 1: make it into a Hanaka card because it's absolutely insane
Speaker 1: and it's the gift that keeps on giving. Just jaw
Speaker 1: dropped to the floor. Yeah, Like TJ just has this
Speaker 1: element of surprise to him, like he never ceases to
Speaker 1: a with these tricks and he's the best secret keeper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he really, I mean he really got over on
Speaker 1: us on that one. I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 3: And I think so because you guys got to compete
Speaker 3: again once your partners came back into the game, and
Speaker 3: that is why I'm not letting go of the idea
Speaker 3: that maybe there's another trick up TJ's leeve.
Speaker 2: Now, if there's not purge a something. Yeah, if there's not,
Speaker 2: then you know, Dan, that sucks.
Speaker 3: But you're in the back of your mind if you
Speaker 3: don't have a star, you're gonna afraid a god the
Speaker 3: challenge gods that you get the opportunity to get one,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure Laurel's feeling that way right now in.
Speaker 1: The game right It would be crazy though, if he
Speaker 1: had them all compete in something where like you could
Speaker 1: steal other people's stars, like in a challenge or a
Speaker 1: purgy situation where like, well, that probably wouldn't work because
Speaker 1: it'd be unfair, like if people with stars got purged out,
Speaker 1: But it would be cool to see people fight for
Speaker 1: their stars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be Or if the stars gay, you
Speaker 3: give you a massive advantage in the last challenge right
Speaker 3: before the final but you know.
Speaker 2: Anyhow, maybe anything could happen. So I'm really excited.
Speaker 3: Before we close out this episode, I think we got
Speaker 3: to give out our all Star of the episode.
Speaker 2: Who are you going to give it to? Anissa?
Speaker 1: I would like to refer to my notes on this one.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know.
Speaker 1: I wrote all star of this episode is Ryan's commentary.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Am gonna have to give it to Kara because she
Speaker 3: got her starback and she went up against kill Acamp,
Speaker 3: who I think is one of the best challenge females
Speaker 3: to play the game. So you gotta give her, you
Speaker 3: gotta give credit words due, So I give my course
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 1: Well, does she need both of our stars?
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't need both of our stars.
Speaker 1: I mean I do think Ryan's commentary was stellar in
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 2: Hey, I would love to shinelight on Ryan's commentary, and
Speaker 2: I would agree that he should absolutely get a star.
Speaker 3: And I think that we can say that Ryan's commentary
Speaker 3: and Kara get the start on.
Speaker 2: We'll mention the Pragmantis big fan of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Pregmantis might get my star instead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and who would you give your no star too?
Speaker 1: That whole challenge? Yeah, I mean Ryan may get the
Speaker 1: kitty cat me out, but that might get a star
Speaker 1: too though, So listen. Yeah, I mean Cam didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I know so she she but I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I mean it was her anxiety. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to give her totally a no star because of that,
Speaker 1: because that feels icky. Yeah, but Nicole, maybe she might
Speaker 1: get that one for me for for throwing it a
Speaker 1: bit if she did, Okay, so she could have she
Speaker 1: could have won, She could.
Speaker 2: Have won, she could have won.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think Nicole's up there for just somebody
Speaker 3: to look out for when it comes to like sneaky gameplay.
Speaker 3: I just like don't fully trust the character she shows
Speaker 3: on the screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I might she might be a little trickster.
Speaker 3: Might be a little trickster. So we'll just like keep
Speaker 3: an eye out for that. But I'd also like to
Speaker 3: give my no start at TJ because he made it
Speaker 3: a girl's day again, and if I was there, I
Speaker 3: would be, yeah, being a table.
Speaker 1: I would have thrown my star Adam Adam, Sorry TJ. Sorry, TJ.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna well, they're really heavy, But I would have
Speaker 1: thrown an invisible star.
Speaker 2: At Yeah, an invisible star for sure, but I.
Speaker 1: Would have made the motion of throwing something at him.
Speaker 3: I will say that although that that was a sneaky
Speaker 3: thing for him to do, it made for a very
Speaker 3: entertaining episode where we got to watch two challenge Legends collide,
Speaker 3: So you know, I guess from a viewer's perspective, thanks,
Speaker 3: but if.
Speaker 2: I was there, I would have been absolutely pissed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love watching this from the comfort
Speaker 1: of my own couch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it And that's probably why I think
Speaker 1: All Stars is amazing. I probably think more shows are
Speaker 1: amazing from my couch. Hell yeah, because I don't have
Speaker 1: to deal with the headache of the drama in this house,
Speaker 1: and I feel like as we get to the end,
Speaker 1: it's only gone to get messier.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's definitely getting spicy.
Speaker 3: We saw that in the teaser for a Now next
Speaker 3: week's episode, it looks like they're gonna have fun in
Speaker 3: a Walmart parking lot with some shopping carts, and it
Speaker 3: looks like it gets a little spicy, So I'm excited
Speaker 3: to see what happens. Probably gonna be a guy's day,
Speaker 3: and there's some guys that spicy cart.
Speaker 2: Yah, spicy cart.
Speaker 3: It's probably gonna be a guys day, and there's some
Speaker 3: guys that need stars. So I'm really excited to watch
Speaker 3: this new episode next week. It's gonna be amazing. And Lisa,
Speaker 3: thank you so much. For doing this podcast with me.
Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure. I felt like we were on a.
Speaker 1: Teasure to see you and have you steal my ring
Speaker 1: because I just saw it on your finger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did steal your ring. It's okay, Anissa. Where
Speaker 3: can we follow you on Instagram and send you some.
Speaker 1: Live It's Anissa MTV. That's a N E E s
Speaker 1: A MTV and let me know if it's the amygdala.
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Speaker 1: Why am I being so damn lassie toy? Where can
Speaker 1: they find you and tell you I'm right?
Speaker 3: You guys can find me at Tori Underscore Deal And
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