1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Daybak podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Monday, the twentieth of May. Here in London. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepkin and. 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: I'm Stephen Carroll. 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 3: Coming up today, Iran's president and foreign minister are killed 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 3: in a helicopter crash. We look at who may take 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 3: over and what it could mean for the broaderm At. 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Least in other news, London still leads Europe in attracting 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: foreign direct investment into financial services. 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: Plus private equities. 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 3: Massive UK debt bind sparks warnings of danger. 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: We have a special report. 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: Iran's President, Ibrahim Raisi, has been killed in a helicopter crash, 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: according to a number of Iranian news sources. The semi 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: official Mayor News agency reports that Foreign Minister Hussein Amir 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: Abdullahian has also died in the crash. The convoy consisted 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: of three helicopters. The wreckage was found on Sunday in 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: a mountainous area of the country, but dense fog hamper's 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: rescue efforts Bloomberg's Middle East edator Paul Wallace says questions 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: remain over what happens next. 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 4: The government itself has not put out an official statement yet, saying, 24 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: for example, who now takes over, It's likely to be 25 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 4: the vice president, someone who's called Mohammad makhmer. In some ways, 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 4: a lot of what's gone on in Iran in the 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 4: last couple of years in terms of its foreign policy 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 4: were not down to Racey so much as the Supreme 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 4: media Ali Kamini. He obviously remains in position. 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Paul Wallace speaking there, The news comes in the 31 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: middle of the Israel Hamas conflict in Gaza, with Hamas 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: supported by Iran and tensions with the US over around 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: backed too Thi's attacking ships in the Red Sea. 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: Well Ibrahim ric age sixty three was an ultra conservative 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: cleric who was elected in twenty twenty one, following eight 36 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: years under the relative moderate Hassan Rahani. Raissi was seen 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: as a favorite to eventually succeed the Supreme leader, a 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: Ali Haamane, who is in his eighties. Richard Dalton is 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: a former British ambassador to Iran. He says that Raisi 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: was important but not irreplaceable. 41 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 5: But a figure that was trusted by the Supreme Leader 42 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 5: Atola Kamene and by the other organs of power like 43 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 5: the judiciary and the Parliament could be appointed quite quickly 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 5: to take his. 45 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: Place, Richard Dalton speaking there, Raisi entered office pledging to 46 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: end efforts to build trade ties with the West and 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: instead focused on developing links with China and Russia. But 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: Rayisi's time as president has been marked by economic problems 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: at home, including successive lows for the Iranian currency against 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: the US dollar. Also the most widespread and violent protests 51 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: in the country's recent history, triggered by the death of 52 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: a young woman held in police custody. 53 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: Tidning is now Two of the three members of Israel's 54 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 3: war cabinets are continuing to put pressure and Prime Minister 55 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 3: Benjamin Netanyahu to change course under war in Gaza on Saturday, 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 3: opposition leader Benny Gantz said he'd quit the cabinet by 57 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: the eighth of June if the Israeli leader didn't make changes. 58 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: He wants Natanya who to agree to a six point 59 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 3: plan with the return of hostages a top priority. 60 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 6: I just understand that we are facing a very long campaign, 61 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 6: whether it's in Gaza, whether it's in other places. But 62 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 6: the hostages they don't have that much time. 63 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: Israeli Work Cabinet member Benny Gantz speaking there. His proposals 64 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: also include demilitarizing Gaza and supporting efforts to normalize relations 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: with Saudi Arabia. Analysts say Natnia, who's governing coalition, is 66 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: likely to remain secure even if Gantz carries out his 67 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: threat to resign. 68 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: Now, London still leads European cities when it comes to 69 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: securing foreign direct investment for new financial services projects, but 70 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: a new survey warns that Paris is likely to challenge 71 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: London's dominance in the years ahead. Bloomberg's Tea at Adebayo 72 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: has more. 73 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 7: London has secured eighty one foreign financial projects last year. 74 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 7: A survey by Ernst and Young shows a seventy six 75 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 7: percent increase in investments compared to the previous year, with 76 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 7: the city accounting for a third of all financial FDI 77 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 7: in Europe. Although Brexit and poor equity market performance has 78 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 7: raised concerns about the UK's competitiveness, London secured more than 79 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 7: double the investment of second place Paris, but data shows 80 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 7: that investors still rank Paris ahead of London over a 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 7: three year horizon, with many on Wall Street touting the 82 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 7: French capital as Europe's next financial hub. In London tiwa 83 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 7: Adebayo Bloomberg Radio. 84 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: The cast of buying a typical home in the UK 85 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: has reached a record high. The property website right Move 86 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 3: says demand has pushed up the average house price to 87 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: just over three hundred and seventy five thousand pounds. That's 88 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 3: an increase of zero point eight percent from last month. 89 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: Property sales also jumped by seventeen percent in the first 90 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: four months of the year when compared with the same 91 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 3: period in twenty twenty three. 92 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: Staying here in the UK, the government is expected to 93 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: unveil a compensation package worth more than ten billion pounds. 94 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: Over the decades long contaminated blood scandal, thousands of people 95 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: died after contracting illnesses from contaminated, unscreened blood. Bloomberg's James 96 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: Wilcock has more. 97 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 8: Between the nineteen seventies and nineteen nineties, some thirty thousand 98 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 8: people who were given blood transfusions in the UK contracted 99 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 8: HIV or hepatitis C more than forty years on. An inquiry, 100 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 8: reports to day on what has been described as the 101 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 8: biggest treatment disaster in NHS history. Bloomberg has told the 102 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 8: government intends to spend billions on compensation, reflecting what Defense 103 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 8: Secretary Grant Chaps called a shameful failure. It just makes 104 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 8: you angry inside to hear about all the different you know, 105 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 8: essentially lack of anybody taking responsibility, mismanagement. But the announcement 106 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 8: comes a basically difficult moment for the government. You have 107 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 8: barely any headroom yet want to cut taxes in the 108 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 8: autumn in London, James Orcock in their radio. 109 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: Now to our top story this morning. Various Iranian news 110 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: sources say that Iran's president and foreign minister have both 111 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: been killed in a helicopter crash in the northwest of 112 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: the country. It comes at a time of turmoil in 113 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: the Middle East over the war in Gaza, which has 114 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: threatened to edge Iran at Israel into all out conflict. 115 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: Joining US now is our head of Middle East and 116 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: North Africa coverage, Stuart Livingston Wallas, Good morning, Stuart, thank 117 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: you for being with us. What is the latest then 118 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: that we are hearing about this crash? 119 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 9: So it started sort of yesterday evening and it's been 120 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 9: a long night. So we know the helicopter I think 121 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 9: it was one of three traveling together, but we'd heard 122 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 9: that it had had I think what was initially reported 123 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 9: as a hard landing, and that was sort of yesterday evening, 124 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 9: and then I think it's just taken a great deal 125 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 9: of time to actually get to the site. It's in 126 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 9: a mountainous area. We've seen some of the the social 127 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 9: media videos being sent out from the site, and things 128 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 9: are very foggy. There was heavy rain and so on. 129 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 9: So they did send some helicopters into try and find 130 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 9: the site, but I just say they couldn't see anything 131 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 9: through the fog, so they had to go basically in 132 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 9: cars or four x fours and go and find the site. 133 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 9: And really that only happened in the last couple of hours. 134 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 9: And then the death has been confirmed by state media, 135 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 9: I suppose in the last hour or so. So it's 136 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 9: been a long long time since the initial reports and 137 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 9: then the confirmation that he is indeed dead. 138 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: Now, Racey was an ultra conservative cleric, former Chief Justice 139 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: and had been the favorite to eventually succeed the Supreme 140 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: leader Iatala Hameni. How does this affect the hardline leadership 141 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: of Iran, which has faced protests over issues like the 142 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: economy and human rights. 143 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: It has. 144 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 9: I mean, I think in terms of the long term 145 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 9: implication with Iran, it doesn't really change the equation. So 146 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 9: there were really two favorites to take over from Hamone, 147 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 9: the supreme leader. One was obviously Racy, and the second 148 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 9: one was Harmony Son, who is, as you can guess, 149 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 9: also something of an ultraconservative. So it was a choice 150 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 9: between two very hard line figures. So in terms of 151 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 9: that future, if things transpire the way we anticipate them, 152 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 9: then you still end up with a hard line leadership 153 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 9: one way or another. Now, what potentially changes here is 154 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 9: in terms of just the balance of power within the 155 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 9: internal hard line camps, because you have the military in 156 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 9: the form what you have the army, but you also 157 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 9: have the IRGC, and then there are some potentially some 158 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 9: changes there. But you know, fundamentally, anyone's anticipating a major 159 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 9: change of policy direction as a result of Racey's death, 160 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 9: I don't think that's going to be the case in 161 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 9: the slightest. 162 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: What then, does it mean for the conflict in the 163 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: Middle East? I mean, Iran does have a very you know, 164 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: opaque political system, as you say, restricted political structure. But 165 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: in terms of the external facing conflict within the Middle East, 166 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: Iran did laune a drone and missile attack against Israel 167 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: last month that was seen also as a counterattack Iran 168 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: and Israel and open conflict that has been a significant worry. 169 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean again, I don't think it changes a 170 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 9: great deal because ultimately the final decision on what was 171 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 9: launched and where too was taken by Harmony, and obviously 172 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 9: he remains in office. When he's eventually replaced, potentially by 173 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 9: Son again, you should anticipate quite a similar sort of 174 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 9: set of circumstances in terms of that decision making. So 175 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 9: going forward, yes, Iran will continue to support its proxies 176 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 9: across the region. But at the same time, it really 177 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 9: depends what happens on the ground in Gaza. 178 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: What practically does this mean for Iran at the moment, 179 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: What is the succession plan for the president and does 180 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 3: it mean that there will be further elections? 181 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 9: It does, so we don't know exactly when they take place. 182 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 9: For now, the vice president takes over and then new 183 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 9: elections take place we presume in the next several months, 184 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 9: But of course those election process is absolutely different to 185 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 9: what you would anticipate in the Western democracy. So there 186 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 9: is an assembly of experts who basically decides who can 187 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 9: run and who can't. And as we saw in the 188 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 9: last election in twenty twenty one, you know fundamentally they 189 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 9: will only allow ultra conservative candidates to stand. So I 190 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 9: think in the twenty twenty one election, which is the 191 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 9: one Ricey won, it was something like six hundred candidates 192 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 9: came forward and I think only basically a dozen got 193 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,479 Speaker 9: through that final vesting process, and there were no veteran politicians, 194 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 9: there were no moderates, there were nothing even resembling a 195 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 9: moderate in the final camp, as a consequence of which 196 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 9: you saw this record low turnout for the election. Basically, 197 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 9: there is a very large proportion of electorate in Iran 198 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 9: that has effectively given up on those elections ever really 199 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 9: offering them any sort of choice beyond one ultra conservative 200 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 9: over another. 201 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: Okay, in terms of political reaction and response, Even over 202 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: the weekend, Chuck Schumann in the US was saying that 203 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: there was no evidence of foul play. Clearly, with the 204 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: kind of deep tensions within the Middle East, tehranne back 205 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: to her mass the Whofi's and Hesbula. This would be 206 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: a question that you would anticipate coming, right. 207 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, and I'm sure within Iran itself there would be 208 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 9: you know, furious conspiracy theories being spun. I think the 209 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 9: reality is that the most likely explanation is that they 210 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 9: were traveling on reasonably old equipment, because it is absolutely 211 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 9: true that Iran's been number sanctions for a very long 212 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 9: time and has really struggled to get the equipment needed 213 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 9: to maintain its helicopters. Now we don't know exactly what 214 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 9: he was traveling on, but the chances was a pretty 215 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 9: old piece of equipment. And then you layer in on 216 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 9: top of that that they were in a mountainous area, 217 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 9: that it was incredibly foggy, that there was heavy rain, 218 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 9: and on and on and on, and that does appear 219 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 9: to be the most likely explanation. Again, this is not 220 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 9: my air of expertise, but I can tell you that, 221 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 9: particularly in this part of the world, helicopters crashed quite 222 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 9: a bit. However, that will not necessarily stop those conspiracy 223 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 9: theories building up within Iran, particularly because he was one 224 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 9: of the favorites to take over from the Supreme Leader 225 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 9: Supreme Leaders in something like his mid eighties, so obviously 226 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 9: we don't know exactly how long it'll be before he 227 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 9: passes away, but you know when you're in your mid eighties, Chancellor, 228 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 9: it's going to happen in the next few years. 229 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: Okay, Stuart, thank you very much for now that Stuart 230 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 3: Livingston Wallace there are head of Middle East and North 231 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: Africa coverage. 232 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: Okay, We're going to turn to. 233 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 3: A different story now here in the UK, where private 234 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: equity firms took over British businesses and droves after the 235 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: Brexit vote. A suppressed valuations and the new buyers piled 236 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: large amounts of debt on those companies in the process. 237 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 2: But in a higher rate environment. 238 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 3: This is now starting to bite the Bank of England 239 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: and politicians are worried that this increased dependency on debt 240 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: over recent years creates risks for systemically important employers in Britain. 241 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: Joining us now to discuss is our corporate finance reporter 242 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 3: Aban av ramnarayan Abana. Good morning to you. Great to 243 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: have you with us on the program. Why did private 244 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: equity companies target the UK in particular in recent years? 245 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 10: Many private equity funds are based in the US and 246 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 10: of course there's a cultural film reality with the UK, 247 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 10: and the UK has an investor friendly setup, so it 248 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 10: was always attractive for US private equity firms in particular, 249 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 10: but this was supercharged after the Brexit vote because valuations 250 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 10: fell in the UK on the London Stock Exchange, as 251 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 10: did the Sterling currency. So this created what people started 252 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 10: calling the Brexit discount and made the UK a very 253 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 10: attractive place for private equity companies. 254 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: And so there's been a lot of debt piled on 255 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: some well known names here in the UK like Morrison's 256 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: and Asda Pizza Express. Madam Tasaul's policymakers are really quite 257 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: worried about this. Now, what do you think might happen? 258 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 10: That's a really good question at the moment. The Bank 259 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 10: of England is looking very closely at this issue. They're 260 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 10: looking at whether or not there's any systemic risk attached 261 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 10: to all the debt that's been added to UKPLC as 262 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 10: it were, And I think the Labor Government has been 263 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 10: making some noises about increasing tax on certain types of 264 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 10: private equity gains. But I do think it's a tricky 265 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 10: one both for policymakers and for politicians because, especially after Brexit, 266 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 10: attracting investment in the UK has been has proven a challenge. 267 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 10: I mean, just look at the lack of IPOs on 268 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 10: the London Stock Exchange, while you know Amsterdam is able 269 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 10: to attract IPOs. 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