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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the white tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast.

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Speaker 3: This week in the show, Zach Bahrenbaugh and I are

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Speaker 3: debating and discussing the pros and cons of an aggressive

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Speaker 3: versus a conservative approach to hunting common whitetail rut scenarios.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by First Light. Today, we've got a

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Speaker 3: great show for you, another unique one and one that

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Speaker 3: kind of came about totally by good luck. It's kind

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Speaker 3: of a funny story how it came together. So I

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Speaker 3: want to tell you how that story came together, but

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Speaker 3: very briefly here just so you know what you're getting

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Speaker 3: yourselves into. What you are about to hear is a

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Speaker 3: head to head discussion, debate kind of analysis of two

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Speaker 3: different ways of hunting deer, a conservative approach and a

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Speaker 3: aggressive approach. And Zach and I both put on the

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Speaker 3: hat of one of those teams and then kind of

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Speaker 3: make the argument for why this tact might be better

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Speaker 3: for such situation, or why this approach might be better

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Speaker 3: for the situation, and then we discuss back and forth.

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Speaker 3: Now this all came together though, because, as some of

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Speaker 3: you maybe remember, about a month ago, I released a

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Speaker 3: podcast about you know, how the Experts hunt October? And

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Speaker 3: in that podcast, I tried to point out incite the

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Speaker 3: many different ways you could hunt deer in October. One

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Speaker 3: of those ways was kind of the conservative approach, which

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Speaker 3: is kind of sitting back watching scouting from afar and

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Speaker 3: waiting until you adjust the right condition for a really

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Speaker 3: careful tactical strike.

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Speaker 2: And I published a little short, like a little.

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Speaker 3: Real from that on Instagram and YouTube that that had

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Speaker 3: just that little excerpt, and Zach heard that, and all

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Speaker 3: he heard was me saying the way to kill Bucks

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Speaker 3: in October is to not hunt too much and be

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Speaker 3: careful and wait for just the right moment and then strike.

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Speaker 3: And Zach heard that and thought to himself, Man, that's

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Speaker 3: not the only way to do it.

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Speaker 2: Why is Mark.

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Speaker 3: Saying that he didn't hear the whole podcast. He didn't

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Speaker 3: hear me say, you know, this is just one of

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Speaker 3: many different approaches. But he heard that, and it kind

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Speaker 3: larger discussion. Me and Zach got to think and they're like, man,

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Speaker 3: there is a full conversation to have here that people

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Speaker 3: as me and Zach are going to discuss here, there's

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Speaker 3: millions of different ways to skin this cat. There are

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Speaker 3: so many different ways to have success hunting deer or

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Speaker 3: trying to kill a mature buck. There's no one single

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Speaker 3: way you have to do it. You can do it

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Speaker 3: in a conservative kind of tactical way where you wait

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Speaker 3: And that's something that you know, guys like Mark and

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Speaker 2: So we got this.

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Speaker 3: Idea though, to take There was a there was a

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Speaker 3: this episode, why I personally might actually prefer the more

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Speaker 3: aggressive approach in certain scenarios or vice versa. How Zach

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Speaker 3: So that's the plan, that is what we discuss. Of course,

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Speaker 3: Zach is a thin nominal deer hunter. You've hopefully seen

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Speaker 3: him on the hunting public. You know he has a

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Speaker 3: lot to share here. Hopefully my perspective here can be

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Speaker 3: valuable as well, So please tune in for Zach and

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Speaker 3: Mark putting on the conservative versus the Aggressive hats to

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Speaker 3: discuss and detail and debate and consider when an aggressive

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Speaker 3: be right, and who the right person might be or

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Speaker 3: what the right scenario might be or the right set

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Speaker 2: That is our podcast today.

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Speaker 3: That's what I hope you will enjoy here in the

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Speaker 3: coming minutes, and without any further ado, let's listen all

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Speaker 3: right with me on the line now is mister Zach Fahrenbaugh.

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Speaker 2: Zach, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Well, I also want to thank you. You know, I

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Speaker 3: think it's a good one, and I'm glad that you were.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was peeved off, but triggered

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Speaker 3: other day enough to call me with this really good idea.

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Speaker 2: So it worked out great.

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Speaker 3: They are telling you that maybe that's what you should

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Speaker 3: And then I'm gonna present nine different hunting scenarios. So

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Speaker 3: I've got nine scenarios I thought of, and if you

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Speaker 2: But I've thought like nine scenarios that a lot.

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Speaker 2: So it should be helpful, you know, right now this season.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so my thought our I'll present a scenario

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Speaker 4: So I don't know, I think that'll be kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really interesting point that you can be

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Speaker 3: both ultra aggressive and ultra conservative in the very same hunt.

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Speaker 3: That's really a really interesting idea. Okay, I'm excited about this.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be good, Zach. Let's just jump into

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Speaker 3: this first one and see where it takes us. So

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Speaker 3: So he's like, Zach, you should get after this deer

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Speaker 3: You know, I feel like I feel like a lot

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely just a different way. Because if there

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Speaker 4: to your point, the access is still really important here

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Speaker 4: because it's not. I think the interesting thing with hunting

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Speaker 4: they are. But it's rarely that simple. I mean rarely.

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Speaker 4: And I mean there's a whole bunch of different variables

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so true.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's really interesting, And something you said trigger to

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Speaker 2: They are very careful about how they hunt it.

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Speaker 3: They are you know, very risk averse because they want

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Speaker 3: But you know you mentioned this hot one. I mean,

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Speaker 3: One take would be what I just described, which is

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Speaker 3: That means there's not going to be as much movement,

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Speaker 4: Hmm, Yeah, I think that like the one down or

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Speaker 4: camera guy, so I don't necessarily have like the same

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00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 4: type of inventory as some other hunters might have. So

437
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 4: I know that could be hurt or just is hurting

438
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 4: me to a degree as far as you know, knowing

439
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 4: where deer are. But the part that I spend the

440
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 4: most time on is finding one. Once I find one,

441
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 4: I want to be all in. I want all you know,

442
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 4: hunts from that point on in that area to be

443
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 4: more aggressive, because I don't want to necessarily just say well,

444
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 4: i'll get him later. A lot of times I don't

445
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 4: have time for that. I may be on a trip

446
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 4: that's just a small window anyway, so I may not

447
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 4: have time to wait for good weather. So I think

448
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 4: that's a big part of it. And not to say

449
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 4: though either, because this example is a situation where it

450
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 4: sounds like we probably do have the whole season. But

451
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 4: on that same note, it's like if I've only got

452
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 4: one day, like let's say that's on a Monday, I've

453
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 4: got Monday off, my buddy doesn't, but I'm not gonna

454
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: be able to hunt again until, you know, maybe the

455
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 4: next Monday or later. I think one aggressive hunt probably

456
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 4: isn't gonna mess anything up. I would say it's more

457
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: likely that the deer himself messes up his own pattern

458
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 4: that we've created in our mind. Like there's probably a

459
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 4: better chance that he's just like, man, we'll go over

460
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 4: to this food source, end up on the neighbors anyhow,

461
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: just because he wants the acorns there that he can't get.

462
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 4: You know in this property that we're talking about, So

463
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 4: it's like, I don't know. I guess I would say

464
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 4: leaning to that aggressive approach, especially when you have that

465
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 4: limited time, just feels like you're more likely to strike

466
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 4: and then you can reset for that week, you know,

467
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 4: go home to you know, go to work, and then

468
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 4: you know, kind of revamped your plan once you're ready

469
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 4: to hunt again.

470
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: Anytime that I have a forced break, like where I

471
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 3: know I have to leave for a week or I'm

472
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: not gonna be able to hunt here again for two

473
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: weeks or whatever it is, anytime that's like a mandatory,

474
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: I am always like, all right, send it, Like if

475
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: you're going to swing, this is a great time to

476
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: do it.

477
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think, you.

478
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: Know, many of the things that I read early on,

479
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 3: and some of the voices that I listened to early on,

480
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 3: preached such a level of paranoia about ever making a

481
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: mistake that.

482
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: It paralyzed me for a while.

483
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 3: But you get enough time out there in the worst, Yeah, sure,

484
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: all of us, And no doubt about it. You can

485
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 3: screw things like we can screw things up like bucks

486
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: do catch on. But at the same time, you can

487
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: make a mistake here and there, and still get you know,

488
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: another chance down the road. You don't have to act like, man,

489
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 3: if you make one mistake, your season's done. I think

490
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: that is something that I, you know, thankfully learned this

491
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: is not the case.

492
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: And once you get past that, it opens up so

493
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: many hunting onties.

494
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I guess one one final thing on that

495
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 4: note is one thing that I think, no matter what

496
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 4: type of situation I was hunting in, whether it was

497
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 4: like private land that I was controlling a bunch of

498
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 4: factors on, or public land, at this point, I really

499
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 4: value being mobile, which is like something that's so it's

500
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 4: almost annoying to hear. I think if you're listening, you're like, oh, yeah,

501
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 4: we've all heard mobile hunting.

502
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: You know, cool, pretty trendy these days.

503
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 4: It's trendy. But it's like I think of that as

504
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 4: I rarely, rarely, rarely hunt the same exact setup two times. Rarely.

505
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 4: I mean, the only reason I might do it even

506
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 4: is just because it's easier. And then from you know,

507
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 4: to start the day, and then from there I'm going

508
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 4: to continue to advance deeper into the you know, into

509
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 4: the cover or the danger zone, I suppose, And so

510
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 4: even if the wind switches day to day, or or

511
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: maybe my access changes. I'm always thinking about it. Okay,

512
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 4: how do I mix this up? Because, like you said,

513
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 4: you can allow them to pattern new I think that's

514
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 4: one of the most overlooked things in all of hunting.

515
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 4: But I also think that you can kind of trick

516
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: them into thinking that you're doing something and you're really

517
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 4: just mixing it up every time, and they don't even

518
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 4: they can't predict that.

519
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: You know, now now I got to run. Now we're

520
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: getting we're you know, this will just be whatever it's

521
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: going to be. Maybe we don't get through nine scenarios

522
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: because I've got a question for it. Because there's something

523
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: that's been that I've been thinking a lot about because

524
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 3: I have over the last decade, like every year more

525
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: and more I get more and more like that moving

526
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 3: around a lot, trying to make sure a deer can't

527
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: pattern me first sits the best sit and all of

528
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: that has proven successful in many cases and is a

529
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 3: great way to approach things. On the flip side, though,

530
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: I've also found some times where I'm trying to make

531
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: those decisions based on trying to predict where this deer

532
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 3: is going to be tomorrow and the next day, and

533
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: then I end up like kind of chasing my tail,

534
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 3: Like I think the buck's going to be in X place,

535
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: even though I was in A today. So then I

536
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: go to X and then he's at A. And then like, okay,

537
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: well I think he's going to be at X again

538
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: tomorrow because he was there yesterday. So then I go

539
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: to X and instead he's at B or whatever. And

540
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: so another approach which you hear about being done, And

541
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: this is harder to do on public and shared land.

542
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: This is easier to do where you have control. But

543
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: let's say you have like a solo permission, like I'm lucky,

544
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: I've got a spot that i have, Like I'm the

545
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: only one with permission on one.

546
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: Of these pieces.

547
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: Now there's all sorts of pressure on the neighbors, but

548
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: at least I know on this lake, this twenty acres

549
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: or this forty acres here, it's me or me alone there.

550
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: And so in that situation, what do you think about

551
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: this scenario? If you have a spot that you have

552
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: really good access and really good exit so you can

553
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: get in and out and you can almost feel certain

554
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: that you're not gonna blow things up, you also have

555
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 3: like a dynamite wind situation where you're gonna blow your

556
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: wind over a lake, or you're gonna blow your wind

557
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: over a dirt field or something, so you can go

558
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: in there knowing with like ninety six percent certainty. Stuff

559
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: should not know you were there, right. If you have

560
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: a situation like that, does it ever make sense to

561
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: camp out in a spot? And if it's a really

562
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: good spot, like if you know, like, man, this is

563
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: a spot that if I give enough time and I

564
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: don't educate deer, he will cycle through here. Because I

565
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: could go chase my tail or, I could go to

566
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: A to to c D, and every time I'm at

567
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: A he might be the other one. And one of

568
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: the things I guess what I'm getting at here is

569
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: we might be not as good at predicting where deer

570
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: will be as we think we are because they're so random.

571
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: I think they're much more random than we sometimes like

572
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: to think. We like to try to say, you know, oh, well,

573
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: if it's a west wind and a rising barometer, he's

574
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: going to be here, right, And we're right maybe five

575
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: percent of the time. The best of us maybe are

576
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: right five percent of the time. So sometimes if you

577
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: had that scenario, should you just do something that sounds

578
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: kind of stupid when I say it out loud, but

579
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: should you hunt that spot four days in a row

580
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: because you know that twenty five percent of the time

581
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: he probably will cycle through there, and you just have

582
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: to be there that much time.

583
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 4: I say, I, I mean, did I tell people this

584
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: all the time that I'm hunting with. It's like if

585
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 4: I had the personality in which I could just sit

586
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 4: in the spot, like I feel like every single trip

587
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 4: i'm on, I find multiple of those spots that I

588
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: believe if you camp out or black alli, you'd get

589
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 4: an opportunity. But I don't personally have that sort of

590
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: like discipline when it comes to Like I'm patient in

591
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: different ways, Like I can do the like walk slow

592
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 4: through the woods for two hours and make it one

593
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 4: hundred yards. I can do that all day. I enjoy that.

594
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: But you make me sit in one spot for even

595
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: a full day, and I'm gonna really struggle to be sharp.

596
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 4: I'll just start drifting off thinking about daydreaming about all

597
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: the things that I could be seeing on the ground.

598
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 4: So it's like, depending on who you are, I think

599
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 4: the answer is yes, you definitely I believe you should

600
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: do that. It's just really hard for me to do that.

601
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 4: And I think, like, for example, in our group, the

602
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: person that I think is the best at that is Greg.

603
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: Like Greg does a really good job of just finding

604
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: a spot and believing in it and just being patient.

605
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 4: And so there's been times where, you know, I'm on

606
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: a trip where Greg isn't there. He might be somewhere

607
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: else hunting, and I'm like, man, if you know a

608
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: guy like Greg was with us, we could do all

609
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: this moving around all we want and hunt in our style.

610
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 4: But then it's like I would love to be like, hey,

611
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 4: sit right here for you know, you know, we found

612
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: this spot moving around. You know, maybe you've been sitting

613
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: at this spot, but this is better, Like this has

614
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 4: got more signed, this is a better funnel, this has

615
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: got more deer around it, and just.

616
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: Sit there because I couldn't do it right, Yeah, exactly.

617
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: I might be able to give it a morning or

618
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: you know, there are times where I sit in a

619
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: spot all day, even for a couple of days, but

620
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: it's usually about two or three days max that I

621
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 4: can be in an area. And and even in those

622
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: situations that I think back on, I've been bouncing within

623
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 4: an area. I may hunt it three days straight, but

624
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 4: I'm not just right in the same tree or in

625
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: the same set up on the ground. I'm kind of

626
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: maneuvering around just because I really just can't sit still

627
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: for that long. And that's something that I had to

628
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: learn about myself and just honest and be honest with

629
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 4: myself about It's like, all right, dude, you are not

630
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 4: that good at this, so you should like thing else

631
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: you make.

632
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: You make a really good point though, for for anyone,

633
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 3: you know, choosing which of these sides of the spectrum

634
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: you want to take when hunting shouldn't just to be

635
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: out about what will kill the most deer. It should

636
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: also be about like what's the most fun for you,

637
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: which of these is actually a good fit and makes

638
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: the experience. Like for some people like you, like it's

639
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: just gonna be more fun to be out there again

640
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: about and for other people it's like, hey, that.

641
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: Sounds like not my thing.

642
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: But I love to sit and watch the and then

643
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: the morning kind of sun come up, and I just

644
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 3: like to watch and see what happens throughout the day.

645
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: And they're happy campers.

646
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, this is a little bit about

647
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: just figuring out what kind of experience you want.

648
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a huge part of it.

649
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, here's another scenarios. Ach.

650
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: This is one that I can point to so many places,

651
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: like over the years, I'm sure you can too, And

652
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: I'm always in the debate over what to do. And

653
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: I think this could be a this could be a

654
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: private land thing, this could be a public land thing.

655
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: I think we've both found it in both scenario. So

656
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: imagine this. Imagine this is a place that you have

657
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: hunted in the past. You know this area, and it's

658
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: one of those spots that you find that is just

659
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: the the hub of the wheel, the spot like let's

660
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: just say it's like a marsh grass or just kind

661
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: of a nasty little betting zone that's got some sightlines

662
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: through it.

663
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: There's like some autumn.

664
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: Olive in there and tall grass and so you can

665
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: see stuff, but it's it feels very safe to deer,

666
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: and there's betting all around.

667
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: It's a pretty big betting area.

668
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: And so over the years, this is un I should

669
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: let me should add one caveat here. This is on

670
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: a neighbor's property, So this is a property you can't hunt,

671
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 3: but you've been able to see for years. So so yeah,

672
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: all right, my scenario here will be a little bit

673
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: different because I want you to apply it to public too,

674
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 3: But I'll stop qualifying and just explain so amazing betting.

675
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 3: You've been able to watch it over the years. You

676
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: haven't hunted it in the past, but you've always thought,

677
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: whoa how would you ever hunt that? Because deer come

678
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: from every single direction. There's deer all around you, there's

679
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: betting and cover all around you. But that one tree

680
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: along the ditch is where like every buck eventually passes through.

681
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: So there's like an X where that's the spot. But

682
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: at the same time, it seems like there's deer everywhere,

683
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: So how would you ever hunt it without all sorts

684
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 3: of deer winding you or seeing you come in in

685
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: and out or spooking them in some kind of way.

686
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: So now, for whatever reason, either you get permission on

687
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: this private or you finally realize it's actually public land

688
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: or whatever, now you can actually hunt it.

689
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 2: So here's the real question.

690
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: What would the aggressive take be on a spot like

691
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: that where you know, man, the is an unbelievable spot.

692
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: There's all sorts of deer in bucks coming through here,

693
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: But how do you hunt it without getting busted? What

694
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: would the super aggressive uh swing at this situation be? Well,

695
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: I guess kind of picturing this is a spot that

696
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: you've observed kind of this time of the year, late

697
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: October into November, and you know that it's kind of

698
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: the hot spot that time of the year consistently. I personally,

699
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: I can actually think of a couple of examples specifically

700
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: where I have hunted these types of spots, and I

701
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: would say that for the most part, they are those

702
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 3: examples where I go in for these like three day

703
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: chunks and just hunt them right exactly where I think

704
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: that X is now. Depending on how the wind may

705
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 3: change in that three day timeframe, you know, I may

706
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: end up maybe, for example, I set up in that

707
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: tree one time, maybe the next day I set up

708
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: and I'm you know, it's a different wind.

709
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: So now from that tree, your wind would be blown

710
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 4: right to that X where the main trails are. So

711
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 4: I may then go sit on the ground on the

712
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: other side and just kind of be a little bit

713
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 4: more risky putting sent on you know, that main trail.

714
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: But I suppose I'm kind of picturing an area too,

715
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: where you know it's bedding and there's a bunch of

716
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: does in there, and then the bucks are there as

717
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 4: a result of those does. Yeah, in those types of places,

718
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 4: it's hard to do. And I struggle to actually execute

719
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: this sometimes because I do get that little bit of

720
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: paranoia where I'm like, I'm gonna screw it up, and

721
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 4: I start worrying about that too much. But the times

722
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: that I think me and you know, buddies that I've

723
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 4: been hunting with have executed it well, is we just

724
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: go for it, and you know, if you're gonna if

725
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 4: you bump a few, it's probably fine because those bucks

726
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 4: have it so locked into their head. Well my whole life.

727
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: I go right there and there's always does there. You know.

728
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 4: It almost seems like they're inevitably just going through those

729
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: types of spots to check where they know dose are

730
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: likely going to be. And it may not even matter

731
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: that you spook them. I mean, I've been in some

732
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: hot spots before where it's like, all of a sudden,

733
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 4: it's nine am and we've already spooked three pretty nice bucks,

734
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: potentially even shooter bucks.

735
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: As soon as you.

736
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 4: Start moping about it, here comes number four. He's the

737
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: biggest and you mess that up. So it's like it's

738
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 4: almost like, you know, once you find those hot spots,

739
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 4: just believing in them because you know that it's always

740
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: been that good, or you've seen the highest concentration of

741
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 4: deer in general. It's like this time of the year

742
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: they know that is true as well. And there's this

743
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: certain point in the season where even the biggest, oldest

744
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 4: bucks just let their guard down just to get to

745
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 4: where those does are. And so I guess my approach there,

746
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: like I said, is just being smart enough to where

747
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 4: with it that you're not just reckless. Like I do

748
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: believe there's a difference between aggressive and reckless. Reckless would

749
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: be I'm sitting in that tree no matter which way

750
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: the wind's blowing. Well, if your only shots are right

751
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: where the wind's blowing, that's reckless, you know. But I

752
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 4: don't think it would be reckless to maybe one day

753
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: hunt that tree and then the next day just hop

754
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 4: twenty yards down, set up against one of those autom

755
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: olive bushes on the ground where your wind is better

756
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: for those particular trails that are that X. And so yeah,

757
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 4: I guess I just think that more than anything, it's

758
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 4: about believing that they're in there for a reason, and

759
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 4: just about no matter what, you're not going to completely

760
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 4: roun them out of there. And even if you do

761
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: run one out, if it's that hot of a spot,

762
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: there might be one that you know yesterday was three

763
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: miles away, and all of a sudden, now he's on

764
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 4: his way. And again, if you start I'm saying this

765
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 4: because I've been there, you start moping about the one

766
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: you messed up earlier that day or yesterday, Well then

767
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, here's the bigger buck, and then

768
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 4: you mess that up too. So I think believing in

769
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 4: it is a big part of that. And when you

770
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 4: find that hot spot, they're usually pretty consistent. So that's

771
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 4: what I take.

772
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: It's really interesting. Would you have any.

773
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: Let's imagine you've got just a seven day hunt that

774
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: you can hunt this area right you're you're you're on

775
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: a state trip. Let's say yep, and you knew of

776
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: this hot spot.

777
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: Would you have any concern about weather?

778
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 3: Would you be like, well, I'm gonna wait till the

779
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: best three days of weather, or would you just manage

780
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: the best spot.

781
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: It's the rut I'm going in. I'm gonna I'm gonna

782
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: pound it no matter what.

783
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 4: I would say that if if it's the Rut, I

784
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: probably wouldn't worry too much about the weather, just because,

785
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: like you know, I think, I think we're probably visualizing

786
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 4: it the same. It's like, this is that spot where

787
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, maybe from a distance hunting on

788
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: the property that you could hunt before, before you were

789
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: able to get you know, on that X. It's like

790
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: every time I've been there before, it's like every few

791
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 4: hours here comes one and.

792
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: Those spots and you sit there the whole day just like, oh,

793
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 3: if only I could hunt there.

794
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And so now that you have that opportunity,

795
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 4: I think that if you probably does not matter too

796
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 4: much if the weather is maybe a little or even

797
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 4: way warmer than you know what you would hope. You know,

798
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: obviously everybody loves a really nice cold day. I mean,

799
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: if I could hunt every day and it be about

800
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: you know, forty eight degrees as high and you know

801
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 4: upper twenty says hello, that would be ideal. But there's

802
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: been a lot of days, you know, in the in

803
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: the rut where I'm hunting and it's seventy five degrees

804
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: as high and it's going to be that for the

805
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 4: next seven days. So you know, I would say for

806
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 4: the most part, just finding that hot spot and then

807
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 4: just trust in that time of year or two, you know,

808
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: it's sometimes hard, but if you've been seeing them do that,

809
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: they're probably not going to just up and stop, especially

810
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: if there's a ton of doz there. Like there's one

811
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 4: hunt in particular that keep There's several, but there's one

812
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 4: hunt in particular that comes to mind. It was actually

813
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: like the last few days of October. I can't remember

814
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 4: if I think I shot the buck finally, you know,

815
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: I ended up shooting above on the thirtieth. But we

816
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: had been hunting a whole bunch of different areas and

817
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: when we finally found this one, I guess it was

818
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: one specific area on the bigger piece of public we were hunting.

819
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 4: It was like, we've been to all these different places

820
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: through October and we have not even seen close to

821
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 4: this many deer. We're also now in here and seeing

822
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: mature bucks. We were seeing multiple of them, and so

823
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 4: basically for two days in a row we were really

824
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: close to two mature bucks. On the third day, we

825
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 4: saw one of those mature bucks in the morning and

826
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: he stayed out of range, and then that evening we

827
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 4: shifted our setup slightly, nothing crazy, but maybe a couple

828
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: hundred yards we shifted it and ended up shooting a

829
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 4: different mature buck that we hadn't even seen yet. So

830
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: that was an example where it's like we're in that

831
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: hot spot. It just felt like. And also I was

832
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: supposed to be meeting my buddy Ben for a different

833
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 4: hunt and I'm texting him. I'm like, dude, like we

834
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 4: can't leave here. This is on fire. Are you cool

835
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: with me being like a day or two late? And

836
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, man, just keep hunting and if you're

837
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 4: on him, And ultimately we got one doing that. So

838
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 4: that's a situation where it's like one, two, three days

839
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: in a row, we're just hitting that spot hard, and

840
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: I just think, you know, it almost felt like we

841
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 4: couldn't have done anything wrong, Like there was obviously something

842
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 4: going on, likely a hot no or two where everywhere

843
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 4: else was kind of still in the pre rut. We're

844
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 4: giving you pre rut vibes, but when we found that spot,

845
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 4: it's like, no, it's on here. I mean, you couldn't

846
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: have drugged me away from there. I don't think you know,

847
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 4: it's like we got here because we'll get a chance,

848
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 4: and we did so.

849
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: And when I find when you find that, it's a

850
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 3: special thing, when you find yourself in the right place

851
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: and the right at the right moment, that kind of one, and.

852
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 4: It's pretty rare, really yeah.

853
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true.

854
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 3: Okay, So the alternative angle on this, though, the alternative

855
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: approach to that would be that if you were to

856
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 3: go into the X every time you sit there, every

857
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: hour you're sitting there and you're having a dough family

858
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: group blow, and then another dough family group blow, and

859
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: then a two year old buck comes by and wins you,

860
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: and then a three year old buck come. If you

861
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 3: are getting winded by deer, you know, all throughout the day,

862
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: the conservative tactician would say, well, yeah, you might get

863
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 3: lucky and have the big guy happen to come out

864
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: the right way and happen to not be there during

865
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: the fifteen minutes that dough is blowing, and then it's

866
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: happening every hour, so you got to hope he happens

867
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: to come on one of those gaps when there's not

868
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: some other deer getting biggered out by. The conservative person

869
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: would say that's just too high a risk, you're asking for.

870
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: Too much luck.

871
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: The better approach, they would say, would be to not

872
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: hunt the X at all. They'd say, Yeah, the X

873
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: might be a great spot for deer, but it's not

874
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: a great spot for deer hunting. And so I think

875
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: what they would say, what you know, I've got spots

876
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: like this that I've thought about, and I've asked people about,

877
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 3: and I've had this debate, and I've done both things.

878
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 3: I've dove right there and hunted the X, and I've

879
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 3: done the other thing. And the other thing would be

880
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: find somewhere adjacent that's close ish to that but sets

881
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: up actually to your advantage. So maybe you can't be

882
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: on the X, but you can be ninety yards off

883
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: the X, but something about that position protects you from

884
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: a wind perspective, or forces deer in front of you,

885
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: or has better access. Maybe there's a ditch you can

886
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 3: walk in, and the ditch gives you this great access

887
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: route into the middle of it, and then your wind

888
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: blows off to an area where there just isn't as

889
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: much deer. So you're not going to be on the X.

890
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: You're not going to get one hundred percent of the buck.

891
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: Traffic.

892
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 3: But maybe you get fifty percent of the buck traffic,

893
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: which is pretty good, but none of it. You're not

894
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 3: blowing up anything or you're you know, you're getting five

895
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: percent of the deer being spooked rather than ninety percent

896
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 3: of the deer being spooked. And so that approach would

897
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: hypothetically give you more time to hunt that area for

898
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: a good thing to happen before you know, things get

899
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: so blown up, or before every single buck that comes

900
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 3: through wins you and boogers. That would be the ankle

901
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: on that one. I think, like I said, I've tried both,

902
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: I've I don't know which one's better in all situations.

903
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 3: I do know that I like the situation I described

904
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: to you is actually one like an exact real life scenario.

905
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: And the first year.

906
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: I got access to this spot, I decided to go,

907
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: like try it, and I just know, like exactly what

908
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: you said, like you know, this.

909
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: Is the spot.

910
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: It's it could be a disaster, but also maybe it

911
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: would work. And the first time I tried it, there

912
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: was one buck in particular, I was hoping to get

913
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: a crack app and the very first time I want

914
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: and hunted the X like five minutes before shooting light.

915
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 3: I hear, and that buck walked right past my tree

916
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: fifteen yards but five minutes too early, and it even

917
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: came from the upwind side, So like if it had

918
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: been ten minutes later, it was perfec If he came

919
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: on the safe side, I would have smoked him, And

920
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: instead he came in a little bit too early.

921
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: It walked from the.

922
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 3: Upwind side to the down wind side, winded me booked

923
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: out of there. So you know, it was one of

924
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: the situations where I got to see both sides of

925
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: the coin. I saw how it could have worked, so

926
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: it did work almost so well. And then I also

927
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: experienced the downside possibility too, so well, no, no perfect.

928
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 4: Answers, No, no, And I've had I've actually had the

929
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 4: same exact thing happened one time. We were in a

930
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: spot thought it was the X just based off of sign.

931
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 4: Had one come in six minutes before legal, and it

932
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 4: was like he's making he's hitting the scrape that we're

933
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 4: like on and all I can see, you know, I

934
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 4: can see his big ass frame, you know, head up

935
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 4: in the in the branches, and it's like, you know,

936
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: what are the odds of this six minutes? You know,

937
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 4: and then we never saw another deer the whole rest

938
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: of the time, the whole rest of the day. We

939
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: stayed there in there all day, thinking all he never

940
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 4: smelled us because he came in, hit a scrape, went

941
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 4: right back out, and it just, you know, one of

942
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 4: those situations where like, I can't believe that worked out

943
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: that way because you know, what are the odds that

944
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 4: he's six minutes early? But I didn't want to mention one.

945
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 4: Here's an idea where this kind of meets in between,

946
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 4: maybe in kind of a different look. So you were

947
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 4: talking about kind of finding that fifty percent movement spot,

948
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: the spot where you feel like you could kind of

949
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 4: back off and you know, still catch some of that movement.

950
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: Another way you could kind of play both sides of

951
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: it is you could sit back, especially if you've been

952
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: able to sit in a location where you've been able

953
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 4: to hunt previously and see that. So, like let's say

954
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 4: you had a stand where you've always been able to

955
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 4: see that area. You could just kind of play it

956
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: as an observation stand. And when the rut's really cranking,

957
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 4: that's when I like to do the majority of the

958
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 4: calling and you know, more on the ground aggressive approach

959
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 4: basically calling them in with your own sounds as you're

960
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 4: moving in, so you can almost let them. You can

961
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 4: hang back, wait for that type of buck that you're

962
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 4: after to come through. And if especially if you're seeing

963
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 4: this trend where they're getting in there and they're kind

964
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 4: of milling around really moving slow. Now ideally too, you'd

965
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 4: have some sort of route to get there quick that

966
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 4: you knew of already, but essentially let them get there,

967
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 4: especially if you can't predict like like for example, maybe

968
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: there's one hundred yard like rough edge. It's not a

969
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 4: hard edge. It's more of like a you know, you

970
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: know I'm thinking of, like you use the example of

971
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 4: automol of Now, those don't always have that like you know,

972
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 4: hard edge. They're sometimes kind of feathered out yep. So

973
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: maybe that deer or you're seeing deer typically kind of

974
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 4: meandering through that that might be a situation where it's like, okay,

975
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: he's there. Now I can kind of read that wind

976
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 4: that's going to work for me and just make an

977
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 4: aggressive stalk essentially to cut him off. And maybe you

978
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 4: utilize a little bit more calling as you start to

979
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 4: get close and you know conditions are going to play

980
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: a factor in that. You know, you might approach it

981
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 4: differently depending on how the conditions are. Like you got

982
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 4: a super windy day and he's got his nose on

983
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 4: the ground smelling for doze, and he's really moving slow

984
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 4: through there, and all you got to do is make

985
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 4: a fifty yard move. That might be the perfect situation

986
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 4: to get in there tight to him. On the other hand,

987
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 4: if you've got a really calm day, that might be

988
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: where you can sit back and just be like, you

989
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 4: know what, he's one hundred yards up there. I'm going

990
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 4: to hit the antlers together and see if he doesn't

991
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 4: just come over here. And I think that's kind of

992
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 4: like maybe in between where you're just kind of using

993
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 4: you're just playing it smart in some of the in

994
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: a situation like that, but still able to be a

995
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 4: great if if the situation starts to play out in

996
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 4: certain ways. Yeah.

997
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: Well, I think what you're describing is is exactly what

998
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: we talked about in the first scenario, which is that

999
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: even in one single hunt, you can do both of

1000
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 3: these things. Yeah, totally, Okay, here's another one.

1001
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: This is fun. By the way, I enjoy this.

1002
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 3: It's got my mind racing, all right. So imagine you're

1003
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: sitting in a dynamite rut spot. It's a kind of

1004
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 3: place that, you know, let's just assume it's the perfect situation.

1005
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: It's downwind of a dough betting era and it's a funnel, right,

1006
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: So this is like, man, it should be a killer

1007
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: rut spot. And on one side of you there's there's

1008
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 3: some kind of opening. It could be a cut crop

1009
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: field or a meadow or something, but it's open enough

1010
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: that you can see several hundred yards away, and one

1011
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty is two.

1012
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: Hundred yards away.

1013
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 3: In the late morning, you see a dough kind of

1014
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 3: run across the corner of that field and off into

1015
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 3: the timber again.

1016
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 2: She's running, you know.

1017
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: Tail flapping a little bit funky, and then behind her

1018
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: you see a shooter buck, and then five minutes later

1019
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: you see another like.

1020
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: Two year old buck.

1021
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: Okay, so you've seen two bucks chasing a dough that's

1022
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 3: obviously feeling it about two hundred yards away from you.

1023
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: But over there, you know, there's never been anything in

1024
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 3: that zone that's ever been like too terribly attractive to you,

1025
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 3: at least not compared to the spot you are hanging

1026
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 3: out right now. You could be sitting on the ground

1027
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 3: or in a tree stand whatever. So what would the

1028
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: aggressive person do in that scenario where you're sitting in

1029
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 3: an awesome spot but you see this hot dough and.

1030
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: A couple bucks go running off two hundred yards away?

1031
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: What would you do?

1032
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 4: I think in a situation like that, I like that

1033
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 4: there's bucks on their feet distracted. That's gonna work to

1034
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 4: the aggressive hunter's advantage in this case. I think two reasons. One,

1035
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 4: let's say that, so you've got two non target beer

1036
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 4: the dough and the younger buck, and then you've got

1037
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 4: the sugar buck. So there's a bunch of noise on

1038
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 4: the ground as is, So that's going to kind of

1039
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 4: help confuse them to you know, being able to say, oh,

1040
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 4: that's definitely a hunter. Like, for example, if you're dealing

1041
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 4: with an early season buck bettered by himself and he

1042
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 4: starts hearing something, he's more likely to be like what

1043
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 4: is that? And I'm going to pay super close attention

1044
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 4: to that. Where if he's been trailed by this punk

1045
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: two year old satellite buff all day, he's already kind

1046
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 4: of just got that mentality of like, dude, get the

1047
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 4: hell out of here, Like I've been telling you all

1048
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 4: day get out of here. So I think that works

1049
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 4: to your advantage. And then you know, if it's a

1050
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 4: rut type spot and they kind of go out into

1051
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 4: an oddball location depending on how the wind is, I

1052
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 4: think you can kind of predict like why they may

1053
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 4: or may not be doing this. So when we worked

1054
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 4: at Midwest Whitetail, I met Justin Sime who was a

1055
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 4: pro staff guy in Wisconsin and he owned property in

1056
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 4: Iowa close to where we lived, and I was hunting

1057
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 4: with him one time out there in November when he

1058
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 4: had had a tag, and he told me one of

1059
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 4: the things that kind of changed the way I look

1060
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 4: at like lockdown time frame. We were sitting in this

1061
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 4: stand and it I'll be honest, it didn't totally make

1062
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 4: sense to me while we were there. It was kind

1063
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 4: of like close to the road, it was in a corner,

1064
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 4: and the wind was blowing kind of generally to that corner,

1065
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 4: which kind of made sense. But then all of a sudden,

1066
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 4: he throws me this total curve ball. That was what

1067
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 4: changed my perspective on this. He's like, you know, I

1068
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 4: like hunting this spot this time of the year because

1069
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 4: bucks tend to push does into this corner of the woods,

1070
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 4: and I think they're doing it because their wind goes

1071
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 4: to the road where no other deer are going to be,

1072
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 4: And I'm like, like, damn, that's that's pretty deep. And

1073
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 4: I mean it wasn't you know. A couple hours later,

1074
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 4: here comes a buck going right to that spot with

1075
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 4: a dough, exactly like he talked about. And so ever

1076
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 4: since then, I've been paying close attention to where a

1077
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: buck locks down the dough, even if it's on a

1078
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 4: place like I'm driving down the road and I just

1079
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 4: randomly see any old buck with a dough, I always

1080
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 4: try to take note of where they are and how

1081
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 4: the wind's blowing. And one thing that seems to be

1082
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 4: pretty dang consistent is they go to these oddball locations

1083
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: where they're blowing their wind in a spot where other

1084
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 4: bucks aren't going to necessarily easily get down one of

1085
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: them and start harassing them. So, in this case that

1086
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 4: we're talking about here, if they are going to this

1087
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 4: oddball location, even though I know that this spot that

1088
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 4: I'm in is the cruising spot, if they're with that dough,

1089
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 4: there's probably a good chance that they're kind of going

1090
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 4: up and away from where the majority of the deer are,

1091
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 4: and that shooter buck may not come through there until

1092
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 4: he loses that dough, which may be in two hours,

1093
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 4: it may be in three days. And that's where this

1094
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 4: is tricky and there's not necessarily a right or wrong.

1095
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I.

1096
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 4: Think my approach, if I was taking the aggressive one here,

1097
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 4: would be pick up, get the win in my favor,

1098
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 4: and start moving to where I think the likely spot

1099
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 4: that he may try to lock down with that dough

1100
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 4: is going to be, and try to do it swiftly

1101
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 4: enough to where I can still catch them on their feet.

1102
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: You know, maybe that bigger bucks still making a bunch

1103
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: of noise because he's shown off trying to get the

1104
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 4: smaller buck intimidated. Maybe he's making rubs, Maybe he's you know,

1105
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 4: chasing that other buck off, and they're making a bunch

1106
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 4: of ground noise that will tip me off but also

1107
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,959
Speaker 4: cover my own noise and make it a little bit

1108
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 4: easier for me to get in and just get tight

1109
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 4: to him, because then I do believe once you're in

1110
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 4: tight to him. There's certain situations where me and other

1111
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 4: guys in our you know, friend group in general, it's

1112
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 4: like had these hunts where there is a satellite buck,

1113
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 4: the bigger bucks so focused on running him off that

1114
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 4: he does at once. You slip in there with the

1115
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 4: perfect time grunt one time, and here he comes right back,

1116
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 4: you know, wanting to fight. And that's happened to a

1117
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: bunch of us a bunch of different times, specifically during

1118
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 4: that time where they're lockdown with does. So I would

1119
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 4: be trying to hopefully execute that, But obviously there's risk

1120
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 4: in that as well, because what if all of a sudden,

1121
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 4: that big shooter Buck was actually just chasing some random

1122
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: do and he pulls off of her and he's like, hash,

1123
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 4: he's not hot. I'm gonna move on now. I'm moving

1124
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 4: towards him with my grunt call, and I'm thinking, oh,

1125
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 4: this is a done deal. Well, then he goes right

1126
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 4: through where I just was. Yeah, and I would have

1127
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 4: been better off to set up there. I think that

1128
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 4: happens too.

1129
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, and so that's a perfect segue then to

1130
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: the conservative approach, which that person would say, uh, I'm

1131
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 3: guessing probably they there's a high chance that that chasing

1132
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 3: over there was random, and that that dough could lead

1133
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 3: him anywhere, and either they could be you know, running off,

1134
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 3: Lord knows where next way out of here, or you know,

1135
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 3: maybe they'd do what you used to said, which is

1136
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 3: that buck breaks off the dough because she actually wasn't

1137
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 3: ready and then he comes right back through. And so

1138
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 3: the conservative hunter would say, I'm going to trust my spot.

1139
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to trust that this really is the cruising

1140
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 3: spot down one of the dough betting your head.

1141
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: That is the funnel.

1142
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 3: It's well prepared, and I just need to put my

1143
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 3: time in here, and there's maybe a ten percent chance

1144
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,479
Speaker 3: that I could catch up with that deer over there,

1145
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: but maybe there's a thirty percent chance that him or

1146
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 3: another buck will eventually come through here, because this is

1147
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 3: the rut X and that you know, puts your faith

1148
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: in your prior work, would be I think that approach

1149
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 3: and and there I mean, like you said, it's six

1150
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: to one way half dozen another, because I've done this

1151
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: where I've sat in the spot, where I've sat and

1152
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: debated and I thought to myself, Okay, I know a

1153
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 3: hot dough is just there, and I know that she

1154
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: has that ground scent, and so I will sit there

1155
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 3: and be like, okay, man, there's gonna be other bucks

1156
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 3: that walk that trail and I should move over there

1157
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: and be within shooting range of that trail, because there's

1158
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 3: gonna be another deer.

1159
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: It could be the one I'm after.

1160
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 3: But of course if I do that, then I'm gonna

1161
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 3: leave this amazing spot that I know has been historically good.

1162
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: And so I'll go about.

1163
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 3: I'll just pull all my hair out and then I'll

1164
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 3: go and I'll sit this. I'll stay where I'm at

1165
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: because eventually I'll say, Okay, you know what, I'm gonna

1166
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 3: trust my spot. I'm you know, believe in that and

1167
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 3: let the rut play out the way you know it's

1168
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: gone on and they'll come through. And then of course

1169
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 3: an hour later, another deer comes cruise in that hot trail,

1170
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 3: and then you should have been there. So you know,

1171
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 3: there's no right answer, either one to work. And that's

1172
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 3: why we like the deer hunt, I guess is because

1173
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 3: it's a complete mental disaster at times trying to figure

1174
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 3: out what the right choice is.

1175
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think, you know, it would be easy

1176
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 4: to assume, like I don't know, I guess, like you

1177
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 4: could be listening to anyone talk about this and it's like, oh,

1178
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 4: they're sitting there saying they got all this confidence in this.

1179
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 4: But it's like, even though I like to be aggressive,

1180
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 4: and I think, you know, I think that I tend

1181
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 4: to lean on the aggressive side. I go through the

1182
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 4: same exact thing where it's like pulling my hair out

1183
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 4: just sitting there. I mean, ask anybody that I hunt with.

1184
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I probably go through the scenarios and pros

1185
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 4: and cons list about as much as anyone where it's like, well,

1186
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 4: on one hand, we could be doing this, on the

1187
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 4: other hand, you know, and end up being pissed off

1188
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 4: if we don't do this. And then he goes right

1189
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: through there, and I you know, it's like you're always

1190
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 4: playing that. Yeah, you're just kind of making that pros

1191
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 4: and cons list and then trying to guess, even though

1192
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 4: usually you can come up with just as many pros

1193
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 4: as you can cons for any scenario. And I think

1194
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 4: the one thing though about that that I try to

1195
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 4: or why I try to avoid it even though I don't.

1196
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 4: I try to avoid it because it starts to make

1197
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 4: it not fun at a certain point. And that is

1198
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 4: the biggest regret is when you get done and you're like, man,

1199
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 4: I was just worrying about that too much, and then

1200
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 4: nothing happened no matter what decision I made. So I

1201
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: should just have fun first, enjoy the situation no matter

1202
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 4: what it is, and then you know, the outcome is whatever.

1203
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 4: But if I'm sitting here stress and you know, I've

1204
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 4: even had times where I've had to just like take

1205
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 4: a like it could all be going down and I'm

1206
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 4: so stressed that I have to like bail and like

1207
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 4: just go reset my brain because it's like stressing, I'm

1208
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 4: starting to not have fun. And if that's the case,

1209
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 4: then you probably should take a little breather, you know, probably,

1210
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 4: I think your mental health.

1211
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: And it's so true.

1212
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 3: So so I had a hunt that was kind of

1213
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't exactly like this, but I had

1214
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 3: this mental anguish, like you're describing where I've got a

1215
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 3: piece of property that I can hunt, where there's one

1216
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 3: buck that's probably four or five this year, like there's

1217
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 3: only one mature buck. Yeah, So I was really helping me, man,

1218
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 3: that's that's the day I'm after, and was getting pictures

1219
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: of him over the course of the end of September

1220
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 3: and into early October. My typical kind of if I'm

1221
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 3: hunting this his own, I usually like take a swing

1222
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 3: the first hunt of the year maybe, but then after

1223
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 3: that I'll be relatively careful and then I'll start getting

1224
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: more aggressive later in October. But this year it usually

1225
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 3: remember like October six, seven, eight, somewhere around there, we

1226
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 3: got that cold front right and I thought to myself, Okay,

1227
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 3: we've got this big cold front moving through. I've been

1228
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 3: getting daylight pictures of him, and I had this rain

1229
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 3: and wind one day where we had rain and wind,

1230
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 3: and I thought to myself, there's no other day in

1231
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 3: the next two and a half weeks that I could

1232
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 3: push in there close to his bedroom except for this

1233
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 3: one day because of the rain the wind. Otherwise it'd

1234
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 3: be you know, really hard to get in there without

1235
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 3: spooking deer because there's a lot of deer. But I

1236
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,959
Speaker 3: saw this window, I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna

1237
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 3: take a swing. I'm going to punch in right to

1238
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 3: his doorstep in the rain. The rain was supposed to

1239
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 3: die off, it was gonna be perfect. It was a

1240
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 3: situation where it's like that wind that the deer likely

1241
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 3: if these bucks were gonna get this buck and other

1242
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 3: deer were gonna come out, they were likely going to

1243
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 3: you know, hit this timber that I was going to be,

1244
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 3: and where there should be acorns dropping, and then they

1245
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: could continue on and hit either a green field or

1246
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 3: a cornfield. So he had like all sorts of great

1247
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 3: food options out going up wind of me. Ahead of me,

1248
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 3: there was a cornfield to the south of me. So

1249
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 3: if for some reason they were gonna head just straight

1250
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 3: to the corn I had a straight north wind that

1251
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 3: should blow like straight behind me, and based on where

1252
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 3: they'd be, they should either walk across in front, or

1253
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 3: they should walk parallel to me, parallel to my wind

1254
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 3: on the right. So I thought, man, it's aggressive, I'm

1255
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 3: gonna punch in there, but it's it's just barely gonna work.

1256
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 3: So I convince myself I should try it. I sneak

1257
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 3: in there, get right on the doorstep, hang my saddle

1258
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 3: like right on the edge of his bedroom the whole time,

1259
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 3: you know, all my tippy toes, just like on pins

1260
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 3: and needles. But also in my head thinking like you're

1261
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 3: kind of the man mark, like you waited for the

1262
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 3: perfect You waited for the perfect day. They're not gonna

1263
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: hear you with this wind. The rain's perfect, Like man,

1264
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 3: they have no idea that you are gonna be sitting

1265
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 3: right here and he's gonna come walking by. So I'm

1266
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 3: feeling all cocky, feeling.

1267
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: Good about it.

1268
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 3: As I get set up, and within like fifteen minutes

1269
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 3: of sitting there, it's still early.

1270
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: I see it. Deer start moving early. So I'm like,

1271
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 2: all right, like this is it.

1272
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 3: Here comes a dough, Here comes a doll, Here comes

1273
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 3: a little buck, And every single one of them comes

1274
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 3: within shooting range of me. They come walking right by.

1275
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, man, problem is as they come they come,

1276
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 3: they're all coming from upwind. They all pass by within

1277
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 3: shooting range. I could have smoked every one of them.

1278
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, what was supposed to be a

1279
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 3: north wind blowing like straight behind me that should have

1280
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 3: been parallel to where all these deer went, something.

1281
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: With the.

1282
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 3: Cover or something made the wind hook a little bit northwest.

1283
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 3: So as soon as those deer got past me, like

1284
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 3: ten yards past me, that wind curled just enough that

1285
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: they caught my wind as soon as they got ten

1286
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 3: yards past, So that first dough family group comes through

1287
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 3: wins me. When they get past me, they just kind

1288
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 3: of trot off quietly, and I'm like, oh, And then

1289
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 3: another doll family group comes in and gets downwind of

1290
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 3: me boogers this time of doll blows.

1291
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, this is not good.

1292
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 3: And then a group of two bucks comes by again,

1293
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 3: comes right within shooting range. Awesome, but they go curl

1294
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 3: down where the wind is they bugger out, and now

1295
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like more and more of the ops like,

1296
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 3: oh man.

1297
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: You stupid idiot.

1298
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 3: You took this aggressive swing too early. You know you're

1299
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 3: gonna there's no way this is going to work out.

1300
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 3: Every single deer has come through and winded you. And

1301
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 3: so then I spent I don't know how long half

1302
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 3: hour then debating what do I do? And my two

1303
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 3: options were you could just sit it out here in

1304
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 3: this way. I had three options I was considered.

1305
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: I was like, I could.

1306
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 3: Stay here, knowing that likely more deer gonna come through

1307
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 3: and they're gonna wind you, and you're just gonna have

1308
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 3: to cross your fingers and hope and pray that that

1309
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 3: doesn't happen when this buck maybe miraculously does come through.

1310
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 3: And if miraculously there's no other deer around and this

1311
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 3: buck does come through, I can kill him before he

1312
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 3: gets my wind, so I can hope for that. I

1313
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 3: can stay where I'm at take like the conservative approach

1314
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 3: at that point would be to like to stay where

1315
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: you're at and hope, or I could take the ultra

1316
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 3: conservative approach, which was to yank down my set and

1317
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 3: just get out completely, just like bail on the whole thing.

1318
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: And then the third approach was to basically say, well,

1319
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 3: I went for it, I might as well send it

1320
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 3: even more, which was to yank down my set and

1321
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 3: then move forty yards closer to the cover, which would

1322
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 3: get me on the correct side of the wind curl,

1323
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 3: and then I would be able to not get winded

1324
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 3: by deer and maybe have something work out the rest

1325
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 3: of the night. So I spent thirty minutes pull my

1326
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 3: hair out on that twenty minute whatever it was, debating

1327
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 3: and making my head hurt, and then I finally decided

1328
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 3: at like five point thirty in the evening to yank

1329
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 3: down my set and then move the forty yards and

1330
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 3: rehang my set on the other side of where the

1331
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 3: wind curl was, because at that point I realized why

1332
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 3: I came in here. I made you know, I did

1333
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 3: the damage. I screwed it up probably one way or

1334
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 3: the other. I might as well try to maybe get

1335
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 3: lucky and have the rest of the hunt work out.

1336
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 3: So I did that, and I did have more deer

1337
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: come through that did not win me.

1338
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 2: That was great.

1339
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 3: I had a couple like nice at at least one

1340
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 3: nice up and comer buck come through and not win me.

1341
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 2: That was fun to see.

1342
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 3: And then after dark the wind completely died, so as

1343
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 3: I was just about rightists next slip out, the wind

1344
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 3: completely died, and then I hear a deer blow on

1345
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 3: the upwind side and I pull my bios.

1346
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: It's a big frame deer running away.

1347
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 3: So that's my story of the mental anguish that can

1348
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 3: go through your mind as you try to figure out

1349
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 3: what's the right move, when to be aggressive, when not

1350
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 3: to be aggressive. All in one hunt that did not

1351
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 3: work out for me, but but you know it could have.

1352
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1353
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, and that's there is this element too, where,

1354
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 4: like I think you said earlier, like we predict where

1355
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 4: they're going to be, and sometimes we think that we're

1356
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 4: like on a roll with that, and we're just not,

1357
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 4: you know, we're just not We're not ever going to

1358
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 4: be super consistent at guessing the randomness of a wild animal.

1359
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 4: There's so much luck still involved, and I think that

1360
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 4: we can all go through these runs too where we're

1361
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 4: doing really well, you know, like hunt after hunt, every

1362
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 4: decision we're making, then decisions get way easier. It's when

1363
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 4: you're not on a very good run when these decisions

1364
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 4: make start getting really hard, where it's like, damn, it's

1365
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 4: been you know, I haven't seen a buck that I

1366
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 4: want to shoot, or or every time I do, you know,

1367
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 4: I'm messing something up in the last minute, or you

1368
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 4: know I can't quite you know, I'm spooking them when

1369
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 4: I'm drawn, or whatever it may be. I mean, there's

1370
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 4: all these different factors that could be what kind of

1371
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 4: screw you up? But it's like every situation still like

1372
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 4: you can have a smidge more luck and it just

1373
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 4: all works out perfect. Like for example, what if he

1374
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 4: would have been with that nice you know, up and

1375
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 4: comer buck slam dunk and you're like, dude, I made

1376
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 4: the best decision I've ever made, And I think then

1377
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 4: the next time you're more likely to do that with confidence.

1378
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 4: Where on the flip side, having what happened happened now

1379
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 4: you're going to be thinking about that. Where I think

1380
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 4: the reality is is what we should do, and I'm

1381
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 4: definitely not always good at this. I mean, hell, I

1382
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 4: get in some bad runs of just being like spinning out,

1383
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 4: you know, same same, I'm sure the same thing you

1384
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 4: and tons of other people do, like we almost should do,

1385
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 4: is just clear your mind and be like that it

1386
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 4: almost didn't even happen. I mean, I don't want to

1387
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 4: say I don't want to say every single single situation

1388
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 4: you can totally erase it. But for example, if that

1389
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 4: was you know, you said that was like that first

1390
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 4: cold front like sometime early as October, like two weeks ago, hunt, Yeah,

1391
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 4: it's like, if you're not going to go back to

1392
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 4: that particular spot for a while, it probably doesn't matter

1393
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 4: that much, especially if he really likes that area. Because

1394
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 4: that's that's another take that like I feel that I've

1395
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 4: seen enough to believe in. It's like if one really

1396
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 4: likes anario, you know, you can mess it up, like

1397
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 4: we've said, but you can also run into deer that

1398
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 4: like you kind of can't mess him up. Like they're

1399
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 4: going to be in there. They love the area, whether

1400
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 4: it's the does or the food source or the security

1401
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 4: of the betting that they're utilizing. It's like, how do

1402
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 4: we keep getting away with this. I mean I've asked

1403
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 4: myself that many at times, because just like everybody, we've

1404
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 4: all been fed a lot of the same media over

1405
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 4: the years where it's like, don't ever spook one. If

1406
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 4: you spook one, he's going to the next county, or

1407
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 4: he's going to run to the neighboring property, or you're

1408
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 4: never going to see him there again. And I mean,

1409
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 4: there's just been so many examples where I've seen that

1410
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 4: not to be true that I guess nowadays I try

1411
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 4: not to let it get in my head too much

1412
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 4: because you know, if there's something that he likes there,

1413
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 4: he's probably coming back. And if you start getting into

1414
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 4: the rut, man, it's like it seems like all that

1415
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 4: stuff kind of can just get tossed out the window.

1416
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I've seen us bump a deer and then

1417
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 4: get right back on him, and it's like he it's

1418
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 4: it's a race from his mind. Might as well be

1419
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 4: a race from our mind, you know. So anyway, it's

1420
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 4: just a little way to look at it.

1421
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a really valid way and something

1422
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 3: I don't remember who told me this or where I

1423
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 3: picked this up, but it stuck with me. Similar to

1424
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 3: what you were saying. It's just basically like a buck

1425
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 3: is he has a core area or a betting area

1426
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,560
Speaker 3: for a reason. Like they don't do things randomly. So

1427
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 3: if he really likes this betting area or this little

1428
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 3: zone that he's in, he's there for a reason. And

1429
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 3: you going in there and boogering up one time and

1430
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 3: he catches you, that is actually confirmation for him that

1431
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 3: he picked the right spot. Because he smelled you or

1432
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 3: he picked you off when you were walking in, he's

1433
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 3: he won. Yeah, So he was like, all right, yeah,

1434
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 3: my setup here worked. I know there was someone around here.

1435
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 3: I picked him off or I smelled him and said,

1436
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 3: you know, confirmation that I survived, and this is a

1437
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 3: safe spot.

1438
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: Now.

1439
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 3: If I were to go and walk in there every

1440
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 3: single day, then eventually he'd be like, Okay, my safe

1441
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 3: spot not so safe anymore. But I think if it's

1442
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 3: you know, if it's you know, on, if it's still

1443
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 3: surprising him every once in a while and he's feeling

1444
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 3: like he's got the upper hand, I think that we can.

1445
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 3: You can get away with more than more than sometimes

1446
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 3: we think you can. But one thing that I always

1447
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 3: I you know, I think is worth pointing out is

1448
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 3: everything we've talked about and trying to decide like where

1449
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 3: on this spectrum you should plant your flag on any

1450
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 3: given day or on any given hunt. I think a

1451
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 3: lot of it depends on you know, what are your alternatives.

1452
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 3: So if if all you have is access to the

1453
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 3: ten acres behind your house and that is where the

1454
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 3: entirety of your hunting season is going to be, you

1455
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 3: might want to think about, well, if this goes wrong

1456
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 3: five times, then it really might might impact the rest

1457
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 3: of my season. So in that case, maybe you want

1458
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more on that conservative side,

1459
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 3: not always, but maybe more often on the flip side.

1460
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 3: You know, if you're hunting public land, or if you've

1461
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 3: got tons of spots where it's like, man, let's say

1462
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 3: I go aggressive and a ghost sour. Whatever my alternatives, Well,

1463
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 3: I have twenty seven other places that I can go.

1464
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 3: Try this again. In that case, pretty low risk. I

1465
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 3: think that's like a really key thing is to keep

1466
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 3: in mind through all of this.

1467
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 4: I completely agree. I think a lot of what you

1468
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 4: know plays into whether or not you're going to be

1469
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 4: aggressive kind of depends on like one, how much you

1470
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 4: how much time you even have to go and then,

1471
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 4: like you said saying, like how many options do you have?

1472
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 4: Because if you've got a whole bunch of options, then

1473
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 4: like I'm going to always be aggressive if I got

1474
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 4: a bunch of options, because I'm just not going to

1475
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 4: hunt the same area really for more than like two

1476
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 4: or three days. And that's if it's like on fire,

1477
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 4: because at a certain point I do start to even

1478
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 4: be like okay, I mean to just break from hearing it,

1479
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 4: go do something else. And I think that that's like

1480
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 4: another side of it that's it's so hard to explain.

1481
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 4: And I think if you're somebody that's listening to this

1482
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 4: and you're trying to kind of figure out your style,

1483
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 4: like just keep in mind that No, I've thought about

1484
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 4: this for a lot of years now. It's like there's

1485
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 4: literally not two hunting situations that are exactly the same,

1486
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 4: Like nobody, it doesn't look exactly the same for any

1487
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 4: two people. Every single situation is different. Every single person's

1488
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 4: ability to go time they can get off work, time

1489
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 4: they can you know, be away from their family, time

1490
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 4: that they can travel to hunt or whatever. It all

1491
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 4: looks different. I mean, even like within THHP, right, it's

1492
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 4: like we all have the same job. It's like hit done,

1493
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 4: look the same at all for one person of the

1494
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 4: deck next like not even close. It's crazy when you

1495
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 4: just compare like people that are doing the same thing

1496
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 4: and they don't even have situations that look alike. That's

1497
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 4: when it's pretty telling that you really have to just

1498
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 4: kind of make your own style and make that work

1499
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 4: for you because nobody's going to be able to tell

1500
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 4: you the right or wrong answer for your situation because

1501
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 4: they're never going to fully understand it.

1502
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so true, And I think tagging onto that, that's

1503
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 3: another great reminder for all of us about why we

1504
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 3: should not compare our success to anybody else's right, just

1505
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 3: hunt your own hunt and don't worry about anybody else.

1506
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 4: Do you do you have any scenario? I'm sure you

1507
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 4: got more scenarios right.

1508
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: Well, I do have more.

1509
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 3: Of the question is how much more time do we

1510
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 3: have to go through this? Because we've spent a lot

1511
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 3: of time talking through just a few of them. But

1512
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 3: I feel like really good stuff. So do you want

1513
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 3: to try to do one more? Do you want to

1514
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 3: do one more?

1515
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 2: Should we wrap it up?

1516
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: What's it?

1517
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 4: Let's do? Can we do two more? We'll do one

1518
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 4: more that you got, and then I maybe have one too,

1519
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 4: just depending on depending on what you or I can

1520
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 4: go first too if you want, If you want, let's

1521
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 4: let's do yours. Okay. So the scenario that I'm thinking

1522
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 4: of would be like you just flat out like bumped

1523
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 4: the buck, like the one you know, whether that be

1524
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 4: one you you knew before the season you were going after,

1525
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 4: or it's like, oh, that's a that's a big buck,

1526
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 4: like that's something that I'm willing to dedicate you know,

1527
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 4: the rest of this trip or time or season two.

1528
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 4: Even So you're kind of moving into an area and

1529
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 4: let's just say this is like a public land or

1530
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 4: like a big private land piece where you kind of

1531
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 4: assume that you know that he's not going to leave

1532
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 4: that area that you can hunt, and so you bump one.

1533
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 4: And that initial feeling I feel like, is that, oh, no,

1534
01:18:55,200 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 4: I've just messed it up. But you're also now in

1535
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 4: a situation where you know he was there, you know

1536
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 4: which direction he went. So within today and then the

1537
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 4: following days that you're going to hunt, assuming that's all

1538
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 4: within let's just say a four day span, what would

1539
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 4: what would be the approach be moving forward, if you know,

1540
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 4: you just bumped him, like I got that confirmation visually

1541
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 4: that he's he's out of there, and you can if

1542
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 4: you if you want it to be something specific as

1543
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 4: far as how he bumped, you could make it that.

1544
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 4: But I guess I'm just thinking almost like he just

1545
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 4: heard and then saw you. The wind was always good.

1546
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 4: You know, some people have an opinion that that matters.

1547
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 4: I don't know that I do. But you know, he's

1548
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 4: he's definitely run out of there, but you know which direction?

1549
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 4: So how do you play that from there?

1550
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: And what time of year is it? In your mind?

1551
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 4: I was thinking maybe like October. You know, twenty third

1552
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 4: is today, So let's just say, like nackle twenty third.

1553
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so pre rut ish time period. Okay,

1554
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 3: So do you want me to present like the conservative

1555
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 3: approach first.

1556
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 2: Or do you want to run with your thoughts.

1557
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 4: Maybe the Yeah, I want I want you to. I

1558
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 4: want you to go with either the concern either the

1559
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 4: conservative or what you would do yourself, or maybe kind

1560
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 4: of a combination of those two things.

1561
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right.

1562
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 3: So so I'll present like the super conservative approach I think,

1563
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 3: and then I would and then I'll share my own thoughts,

1564
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 3: I guess, which are kind of in between. So I

1565
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 3: think that if your typical, you know, private land management,

1566
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 3: conservative hunter had that situation happened, I think that that

1567
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 3: perspective would be Okay, I just educated this buck.

1568
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 2: I just crossed this spot off the map. I just

1569
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 2: spooker that deer.

1570
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 3: My next move is I'm going to back out of

1571
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 3: here and think about how that deer is going to

1572
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 3: act differently because of what I just did. So if

1573
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 3: you maybe you were talking into the edge of where

1574
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 3: he thought his betting was, and you bumped him out

1575
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 3: of his betting area and you came from the south,

1576
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 3: that guy might think to himself, Okay, well I just

1577
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 3: what I just presented danger from the south to that deer.

1578
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 3: So that deer is definitely not going to come back

1579
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 3: this way and head south to go feed where I

1580
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 3: was hoping he's gonna. So now I'm thinking about what

1581
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 3: is he going to do differently based on that. Maybe

1582
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 3: I would say, I think this guy would go and

1583
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,839
Speaker 3: hunt somewhere else, anticipating that this buck would either avoid

1584
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 3: that that whole next day, or maybe he would still

1585
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,799
Speaker 3: move that day but go in this different direction.

1586
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 2: So I think at a high level, that's what that

1587
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 2: approach would be.

1588
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 3: It would be the leave this place alone, assuming it's

1589
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 3: screwed up, and it would be what's the safe place

1590
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 3: now that this buck's going to redirect too? For me specifically,

1591
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 3: it would depend on what that deer was doing in

1592
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 3: the moment. So like if that deer was coming back

1593
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 3: in and or I if I bumped that deer off

1594
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 3: of bed and I thought that he was betted there,

1595
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 3: I just boogered him out of that spot, you know,

1596
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 3: I would definitely in that case try the try something

1597
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 3: similar to the bump and type scenari. I mean, I

1598
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 3: if it happens, you might as well roll with it.

1599
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: So if I.

1600
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 3: Bumped that deer out of his bedding area, and if

1601
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 3: I think I just pushed him off with site and sound,

1602
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 3: and if I have a mobile set with me or

1603
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 3: something I can do it, I would try to think,

1604
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 3: okay that if it's you know, morning time, and he's

1605
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 3: gonna probably come back and bet again, he very well

1606
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 3: might circle back through the general area, So I would

1607
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 3: set up somewhere like that and try that. But if

1608
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 3: it was a different kind of bump, which I had

1609
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 3: this exact thing happened two years ago where I bumped

1610
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 3: a deer that was cruising, And so what happened was

1611
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,799
Speaker 3: that I was actually it's kind of funny. It's similar

1612
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 3: to the scenario that I just told you the other

1613
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 3: day where I set up for a morning hunt and

1614
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 3: then the wind started getting a little wiggy on me

1615
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 3: and was not doing what I was supposed to do.

1616
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 3: Like an hour and a half into the morning, I realized, Man,

1617
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 3: my wind is shifting worse and worse and worse. If

1618
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 3: I stay here, I'm gonna really ruin this thing. And

1619
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 3: so I decided to pull down my set mid morning

1620
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 3: and go reposition. And as I was like starting to

1621
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 3: climb out of the tree, the big shooter buck came

1622
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 3: out and comes down winded me.

1623
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 2: Spooks.

1624
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 3: So now I know, Okay, I bumped the deer. He

1625
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 3: winded me, but he was cruising, so I knew he was.

1626
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 2: He was on the move.

1627
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 3: It was right around this It was like October twenty

1628
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 3: seventh or something, and so because of that, I thought

1629
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 3: to myself, Okay, what's that deer gonna do.

1630
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 2: Well.

1631
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 3: I think he's you know, he winded me. He's not

1632
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 3: gonna like this zone, but he's definitely on the move. Still,

1633
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 3: he's definitely still gonna be cruising. He's not going to

1634
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 3: leave the neighborhood. So I just thought to myself, if

1635
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 3: he's in general cruising through this set of betting areas

1636
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 3: in this area, where can I get that's just far

1637
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 3: enough away from this that you know, I'm not, you know,

1638
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 3: too worried about him thinking about like that X was

1639
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 3: a danger zone, but you know, still in the same

1640
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 3: general region. So I just yanked on my set and

1641
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 3: circled about one hundred and fifty two hundred yards away

1642
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 3: to get on the right side of the wind, to

1643
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 3: the other side of this betting area. And six hours

1644
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 3: later he came cruise and throw on that side and

1645
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 3: I got shot him. That's so that those are the

1646
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 3: two different approaches. I guess I would take, Yeah.

1647
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 4: No, that's that's good stuff, and I I think that

1648
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 4: they're both. I do think they're both good approaches, depending

1649
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 4: on on the situation. Right. The one other thing that

1650
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 4: kind of came to my mind then if I were

1651
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 4: looking at something like that is in kind of to

1652
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 4: elaborate a little bit on what he was doing and

1653
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 4: maybe throw a different I guess activity that he might

1654
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 4: have been doing in that area. Into the mix is like,

1655
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 4: let's say you bump him and you can tell he

1656
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 4: was laying there, but he was laying there in the

1657
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 4: edge of some thick where he was actually feeding on

1658
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 4: something specific, Like we'll just use a specific oak stand

1659
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 4: at the time. It doesn't really matter what type of

1660
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 4: oaks that he's feeding on, but he's feeding on the

1661
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 4: acorns that are dropping there, So maybe you identify whatever

1662
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 4: type of tree that is. You're like, Okay, these are

1663
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 4: definitely the only ones that I've been seeing dropping in

1664
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 4: this area. It kind of seems like he's here for

1665
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 4: a reason. One other I guess a conservative approach could

1666
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 4: be I'm going to bail for now. I'm want to

1667
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 4: know that this is where he was. Then I'm going

1668
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 4: to look ahead in that three or four day timeframe

1669
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 4: that I've got to hunt to try to find a

1670
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 4: similar condition, and then I'm just going to go in

1671
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 4: there and let's say I think we said that we

1672
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 4: bumped him in the morning. Maybe I'm just going to

1673
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 4: go in there super early two three days from now

1674
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 4: and just hope that he's going to come back and

1675
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 4: do that same thing. And that's kind of like it's

1676
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 4: a less quick bumping dump act, but it's still kind

1677
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 4: of a long, long play of the bump and dumb

1678
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 4: dump while still kind of playing it conservative because you're

1679
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 4: not necessarily at risk of bumping him again if you

1680
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 4: know that he went that way and you're going to

1681
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 4: bail that way, and you know, kind of keep things

1682
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 4: pretty safe. There has been times where we've done something

1683
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 4: like that and it's been really effective. And I guess,

1684
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 4: you know, that may sound aggressive to some folks, like, well,

1685
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 4: you already bumped him once, Like what if you bump

1686
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 4: him again? I guess that's that is maybe where it

1687
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 4: does get aggressive. But I almost see that as conservative

1688
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 4: because you're not going right for him right now, because

1689
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 4: on the flip side, we've had a lot of luck

1690
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 4: going right for him. Kind of thinking of it like,

1691
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, it sucks, and it sure doesn't. It

1692
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 4: still makes your heart saying, but it's like we actually

1693
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 4: saw him right here at exactly this time going that way.

1694
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 4: You know. I do think that especially white tail hunters

1695
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 4: more than any other, like big game species, white tail

1696
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 4: hunters tend to forget that like just because he bumped

1697
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 4: them doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Anymore. I mean, he

1698
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 4: literally went that way. You know, it's like he's he's

1699
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 4: over there somewhere. No, Yeah, they can circle, they can

1700
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 4: you know, be pretty crafty as well. But if you

1701
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 4: know the area really well, maybe you can predict that

1702
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 4: next location that he's going to go to. Maybe there's

1703
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 4: a similar ridge that has you, like, you know what,

1704
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 4: he's under these white oaks right now, betted on this edge.

1705
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 4: I know there's another edge that has white oaks up

1706
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 4: against it, just a couple hundred yards over there. Maybe

1707
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 4: for that evening, you kind of swing around, get the

1708
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 4: win in your favor, and you get tighter to him

1709
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 4: and set up maybe you maybe you just straight follow

1710
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 4: the thing. I mean, there are situations, depending on what

1711
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 4: the cover looks like, where you can do that too,

1712
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 4: and just you know, try to get a read on

1713
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 4: his tracks or you know whatever that I guess ground

1714
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 4: type is, like that might be enough to kind of

1715
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 4: help you confirm or advance, like the location in which

1716
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 4: you know he's been or has crossed through. So like

1717
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 4: you know, if he left this white oak ridge and

1718
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 4: then he crossed a creek, he might be able to

1719
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 4: work that creek and try to kind of intercept where

1720
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 4: he may have ran down, and if you cut big

1721
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 4: fresh tracks on that same line then he was running,

1722
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 4: he might be able to say, Okay, well he's at

1723
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 4: least gone this far, and so that might help you

1724
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 4: kind of make that educated yes as to where he's

1725
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 4: going next. And I think that's that's actually ended up

1726
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 4: becoming one of my favorite things to do. Is just

1727
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 4: I mean, it sucks in the moment, but there's a

1728
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 4: whole bunch of examples that I can think of, you know,

1729
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 4: within you know, my friend group of like guys having

1730
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 4: something like that happen and then staying on it and

1731
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 4: all of a sudden it's like, well, right there is

1732
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 4: whether that be that day, the next day, or you know,

1733
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 4: in that two or three day timeframe, and it's it's

1734
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 4: kind of wild, you know, like when they have those

1735
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 4: comfortable those areas that they feel comfortable, they may come

1736
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 4: right back to the same spot, or they might just

1737
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 4: barely move and be two, three, four hundred yards away,

1738
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 4: maybe a thousand yards away. But if you know the

1739
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 4: area well and you know those areas that they already use,

1740
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 4: you know, there's probably a dang good chance that that's

1741
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 4: just where it went, Like like literally that simple. So

1742
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 4: I don't know, I find that to be a just

1743
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:44,440
Speaker 4: a kind of a unique thing that I didn't anticipate

1744
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 4: feeling confident in doing when I was you know, not

1745
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 4: really that long ago. But in the last like five

1746
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 4: six years, it's like, man, there's a lot of examples

1747
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 4: where you know, we've done this and we've like actually

1748
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 4: got the buck that same day or within you know,

1749
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 4: a few days. So I don't know, I think it's

1750
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 4: all fun.

1751
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, What's what's so frustrating though, sometimes with white

1752
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 3: tails is that because of the habitats that we often

1753
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 3: hunt them in, you know, they're just typically not as

1754
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 3: visible as you know, maybe elk where you can watch

1755
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 3: them for thousands of yards off in the distance. And

1756
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 3: so on the flip side of what you're saying, you

1757
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 3: could do something like this and screw it up and

1758
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 3: that buck bumps, or you walk through a spot and

1759
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 3: you a deer smells your ground scent or something, or

1760
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 3: a deer wins you whatever, and then you might not

1761
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 3: see him again the rest of the day or the

1762
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 3: next week. And you know, as you know, you might

1763
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 3: have all sorts of cameras up all over the place,

1764
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 3: and that buck might be all around and you never

1765
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 3: get pictures, so you could have this kind of thing

1766
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 3: happen where you truly just don't see that buck again

1767
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 3: for two weeks and then you're sitting there thinking, holy crap,

1768
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 3: did I just destroy.

1769
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 2: My hunting spot because of this?

1770
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 3: And on one hand, maybe it did, because sometimes these

1771
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 3: bucks do get really wiggy, or sometimes you do something

1772
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 3: three times the wrong way and that buck's the act

1773
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 3: and not loving it, and he shifts over just just

1774
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 3: even one hundred yards shift and where he likes to

1775
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 3: bed maybe could keep you from seeing him out or

1776
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 3: like I just said, maybe he is still around and you.

1777
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 2: Just don't happen to see it.

1778
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 3: So it's so hard to get that confirmation, you know,

1779
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 3: to understand like is this right?

1780
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 2: Is this wrong? Like what were the repercussions.

1781
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 4: It's that's a tough game, I think, where you know

1782
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,879
Speaker 4: you could like you could do one of those things

1783
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 4: and like like the aggressive approaches that we've talked about,

1784
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 4: where it's like you bump him then maybe you know,

1785
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,719
Speaker 4: kind of make a move and you guess his next spot.

1786
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 4: You set up on there and you don't see him,

1787
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 4: and it might have literally been the difference between you know,

1788
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 4: him being on the top of the ridge or him

1789
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 4: just being on the back side of the ridge. He

1790
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 4: might have been, i mean, within one hundred yards of you,

1791
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 4: and if you don't see him, like you're saying, yeah,

1792
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 4: you might just lose complete confidence. And I think though

1793
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 4: that's why, you know again, just kind of staying which

1794
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 4: is hard, is the hard part of it. It's like

1795
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,759
Speaker 4: staying positive and continuing to believe in like the stuff.

1796
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 4: You know, like if you know that they like using

1797
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 4: an area and you're going in there and you're seeing

1798
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 4: just blown up sign telling you, well, there's a mature

1799
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 4: buck or multiple using this area. Like trust in that

1800
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 4: gut too. It's like I think sometimes we you know,

1801
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I know I do this where it's like, okay,

1802
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 4: there's there's like three huge scrapes here. Well it's probably

1803
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 4: at night. It's like, I mean maybe, and maybe up

1804
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 4: to that point it has been the majority, but like

1805
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, now you know it would be

1806
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 4: silly not to sit there and they're coming, but you

1807
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 4: just go right on by because you're thinking, well, you know,

1808
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 4: you start doubting it. And I think one of my

1809
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 4: one of my favorite terms is like the hundred out,

1810
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 4: you know, where you start convincing yourself that something's true

1811
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 4: and it like may just not even be close to true.

1812
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 4: You're just letting the hundred out get the best of you.

1813
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 4: Now you're just overthinking it. It's like I kind of

1814
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 4: think at all costs you should avoid the hundred out.

1815
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 4: I don't always do that, but I think if you

1816
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 4: can avoid it and just believe in the fact that,

1817
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 4: like I guess, let's put it this way, it's like

1818
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 4: you are good enough. And I said, I'm saying that

1819
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 4: to every year hunter out there. It's like, if you

1820
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 4: get something in your mind that you want to do,

1821
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 4: you're good enough to pull it off. You may have

1822
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 4: to really slow yourself down and check yourself a few

1823
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 4: times throughout that plan as you're executing it, but like

1824
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 4: you can do it. Everybody can, you know, take the

1825
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 4: aggressive approach if they want to. It's just a matter

1826
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 4: of like believing in it and not letting the hundred

1827
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 4: out get the best of you and then make you

1828
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 4: not believe all of a sudden, because like I see

1829
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 4: sometimes people be like leave a comment and they're like, man,

1830
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 4: I don't know how, Like how you guys, do you

1831
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 4: know this and go after these bucks and stop them,

1832
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 4: or you know, be aggressive and move in on one,

1833
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 4: knockdown with a dough and try to call them in.

1834
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,679
Speaker 4: I could never It's like, well yeah, yeah, absolutely, Cay,

1835
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 4: And I mean, it just takes a different type of

1836
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 4: like you just have to believe in it, and then

1837
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to probably change your pace and everything.

1838
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 4: Like obviously you can't just go crashing in there every

1839
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 4: time and it's going to just work out perfect. But

1840
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 4: depending on the conditions, as long as you believe in it,

1841
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 4: I think anybody can pull these types of aggressive strategies off.

1842
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 4: It just I guess isn't as simple as just walking

1843
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 4: to you from the truck to your stand. Like that's

1844
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 4: really the difference.

1845
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 3: You know well, and you know, I think a funny

1846
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 3: way that all this kind of comes together is that

1847
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 3: whether you are taking the aggressive approach, in which you

1848
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 3: are like going out there and getting it, or you

1849
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 3: take the conservative approach, which requires you pre plan and

1850
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 3: then wait and believe and wait and believe and wait

1851
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 3: and believe.

1852
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 2: Both of those.

1853
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 3: Right, Like the essence of it just requires confidence. Yeah,

1854
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 3: you just need to have confidence. And more important than anything,

1855
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 3: it's confidence in your decision making, right, right, because like

1856
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 3: because the results you know, are to a degree outside

1857
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 3: of our hands, right, and.

1858
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 4: The results are almost always going to be super low

1859
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 4: percent that it works, Yeah, exactly.

1860
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 3: So it almost is like we have to force ourselves

1861
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:42,600
Speaker 3: to only judge ourselves by virtue of our decision making. Like,

1862
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 3: can I sit here today and I let's say I

1863
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 3: choose to do the aggressive thing today? And I think

1864
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 3: if you could, this is easier said than done. But

1865
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 3: if you choose to do the aggressive thing and then

1866
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 3: that day say to yourself, Okay, I'm gonna do this,

1867
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 3: and we're gonna do it because of this reason and

1868
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 3: this reason, and I'm gonna do it this way in

1869
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 3: this way, because of this situation, and you know, results

1870
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 3: be damned. My idea here, my plan here, my decision

1871
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:12,600
Speaker 3: making is sound, and let's just see what happens and

1872
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 3: be confident in the approach and then stop worrying from

1873
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 3: that point.

1874
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 2: And then the same thing for the conservative.

1875
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, Okay, you know what, I know

1876
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 3: that my access and exit is bulletproof here. I know

1877
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 3: this is a good spot. I know that if I

1878
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 3: just believe in it and give it some time and

1879
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 3: be smart. This can work. I know my decision making

1880
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 3: is sound, the strategy is sound. I'm going to trust

1881
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 3: and stop stressing. Then you also have that confidence. I

1882
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 3: think both of those hunters will be more successful, regardless

1883
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 3: of the actual tactic, just because of that belief and

1884
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 3: focus on the actual decision making process.

1885
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,679
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I think that. That's one of the things

1886
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:53,720
Speaker 4: I've tried to remember in something I've tried to kind

1887
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 4: of like it's actually very much a thing I've been

1888
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:02,719
Speaker 4: thinking about the last cupule of seasons is no matter

1889
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 4: what I do, make a damn decision and believe in it,

1890
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 4: and then if it didn't work out, then go again tomorrow. Like, yeah,

1891
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 4: it's never worked out one hundred percent of the time,

1892
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 4: So like quit expecting that, you know, or not even

1893
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 4: expecting that, but even hoping for that, Like you should

1894
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 4: almost be expecting. Well, I think about this. I think

1895
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 4: of it this way. It's like, when it starts to

1896
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 4: play out, expect that you're going to execute the plan,

1897
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 4: you're going to draw at the right time, You're going

1898
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 4: to settle the ten, you're going to make the shot

1899
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 4: where you know where your best opportunity is. But you

1900
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 4: almost have to expect that you're not even going to

1901
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 4: see the buck that you're after, or the caliber buck

1902
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 4: or whatever, because you probably aren't. You know, Like I

1903
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 4: think if you're hunting and you know, it was like

1904
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 4: if one out of every ten hunts you're you get

1905
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 4: a crack at a buck that you're after, like that's

1906
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 4: pretty insane success, actually crazy good success. So you know,

1907
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 4: that's pretty telling them how like it doesn't usually work out.

1908
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 4: So just being confident in the decision you made and

1909
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 4: then being okay with that and then just playing the

1910
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 4: game again tomorrow, I think is the best thing you

1911
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 4: can do. But it's really hard, and I think sometimes

1912
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 4: you get in the loop where you're just like, I

1913
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 4: don't every decision I make is wrong. But you know,

1914
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 4: as the season progresses, and even if it gets past

1915
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 4: the rut, it's still like anything could happen, you know,

1916
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 4: Like I've been out on hunts and it's into December

1917
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, here comes a hot now

1918
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 4: in all the bucks. You know, it's like, well that

1919
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 4: didn't that didn't meet the criteria typical rut timeframe. But

1920
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 4: I just saw what I saw and it was, you know,

1921
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 4: pretty wild. So I just think. Yeah, it's it's a

1922
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 4: hard thing to do, but it's definitely some keep in

1923
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 4: mind and no matter what you do, be confident.

1924
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 3: I think that's a good place to uh, to wrap

1925
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 3: it up, Zech, I Uh, I appreciate this chat. This

1926
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:12,640
Speaker 3: is fun, this was This is a good thing to

1927
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Speaker 3: set my mind up properly for the RUT too. So

1928
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Speaker 3: I think I needed this just as much as anybody else.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, I appreciate you having me, and I

1930
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 4: think it was a good time. And I'm sure we

1931
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Speaker 4: could go on about a million different you know, tangents

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Speaker 4: through different examples, but hopefully what we did cover will

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Speaker 4: help somebody be confident in whatever decision they make at

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Speaker 4: some point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred.

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Speaker 3: Uh anything anything we should be keeping tabs on watching

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Speaker 3: four over on the TSP YouTube channel or anything anything else, Well, I.

1938
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Speaker 4: Would say that we got a couple. We got a

1939
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Speaker 4: couple of awesome hunts that we just filmed last week

1940
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Speaker 4: coming up on the channel that I'm working on. I'm

1941
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 4: working on one, Jake's working on one, Brett's working on one,

1942
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Speaker 4: and then Ted is out el coming, so he's on

1943
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Speaker 4: ELK as of today. You just got there yesterday, So

1944
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Speaker 4: that's exciting. And then this time of the year, WARP

1945
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:16,720
Speaker 4: generally starts getting pretty he starts going from more of

1946
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 4: his scouting type moves to his more aggressive sets. So

1947
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Speaker 4: I'm feeling pretty confident coming up here that things are

1948
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Speaker 4: going to be pretty fun. So I mean in the

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Speaker 4: videos that we got like that we're working on right now,

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Speaker 4: should be some good ones, so cool, It'll be a

1951
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Speaker 4: good time.

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Speaker 2: It's a great time of year.

1953
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Speaker 3: I'll be crossing on my fingers and toasts for zech

1954
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Speaker 3: good luck out there and looking forward to hearing some

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Speaker 3: stories again soon.

1956
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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, stop to you later.

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Speaker 2: And that's gonna be a wrap.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for tuning in, appreciate you being a part

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Speaker 3: of this community or listening to this podcast. I hope

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Speaker 3: your white Tail rut Extravaganza, your rut cation, whatever it

1961
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Speaker 3: is you've been able to pull off so far, I

1962
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Speaker 3: hope it's been great. I hope you've had some success,

1963
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Speaker 3: had some fun, been safe out there, and let's meet

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Speaker 3: in the freezer.

1965
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Speaker 2: So until next week, best of luck in the field

1966
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Speaker 2: and stay wired to hunt.