1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is still on 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: an adventure, but he will be returning shortly. We assure you. 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 1: super producer of all mission control decads. Most importantly, you 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. This is the 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: second part of a two part episode we are doing 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: on conspiracies involving unions, involving the people who love unions 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: and the people who historically and in the present a 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: oppose them. In our previous episode, we took a brief 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: look at the apparently controversial history of labor unions, and 16 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: it turns out that organized collective bargaining, however you feel 17 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: about it, has become controversial in the US. Do in 18 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: no small part two concerted, very well conducted and orchestrated, 19 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: very well funded propaganda campaigns. Berns would be so proud, Matt. 20 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: I think he would like he would give those campaigns 21 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: if he didn't see, yes, he would give them a 22 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: four out of five doctors, don't you always wonder like 23 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: who's the tenth dentist. Who's the tent dentist in all 24 00:01:53,120 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: those things? Who was like, no, way, this is garbage. Uh, 25 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's a good question. We'll see. And that 26 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: dentist probably got paid by the campaign to say they 27 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: didn't like it, just to make it seem more credible, 28 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: because if it was all the dentists, it would be like, mmmm, 29 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: are you sure? Yeah, right, that's how your regular election, 30 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You can't have a hundred 31 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: and ten percent of the people voting for the same candidate. 32 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: But but yeah, we're we are talking about propaganda, and 33 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, this can be a bit of a touchy subject, 34 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: but that's nature of this show. This can be a 35 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: bit of a third rail sometimes for mass media. But 36 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: here are the facts. Earlier, we we asked what a 37 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: union is. Uh. Usually when people talk about unions, they're 38 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: not talking about necessarily like marriage or some other kind 39 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: of civil union. They're talking about out labor unions. They're 40 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: talking about a bunch of colleagues in a given industry, 41 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: or you know, a given category of industry who get 42 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: together and fight for things that a lot of people 43 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: take for granted nowadays, like a an eight hour work 44 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: day or a weekend. We answered this question the previous episode, 45 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: but in answering this we largely focused on the objective 46 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: origin of unions, and to be absolutely fair, we need 47 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: to address the imperfections that unions will inevitably encounter, like 48 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: any other large collection of humans. Folks, fellow conspiracy realists, 49 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: we don't care if you're talking about something like Congress, 50 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: if you're talking about something like Davos, or you're talking 51 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: about something like, you know, a religious organization. You get 52 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: enough people together working on some thing and they're going 53 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: to conspire. So we want to kind of open this 54 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: episode by talking a little bit about those imperfections of unions. 55 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: Because they are human made and because of their potential 56 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: to influence large scale events, there is always going to 57 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: be room for crime and corruption. And you know, Matt, 58 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: it's weird like you and I growing up uh in 59 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: the US and this iteration, when did you hear about unions? 60 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: Was it ever big news? Well, it was my mother, 61 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: and I have a feeling you may be learned about 62 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: it in the same way through a teachers union, which 63 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: was a very common thing, at least I think when 64 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: we were growing up, and still is today a very 65 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: common thing, teachers unions within the United States. At least 66 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: that's how I learned about them. What about you, Ben, 67 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: You know, I always well, we come from different places, right, Like, 68 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the idea of teachers unions. But back 69 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: in the day, not back in the old days, like 70 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: not pre United States, but back in the day in 71 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: the United States, about one third of the entirety of 72 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: this country's workforce in the private sector was unionized. They 73 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: were the unions represented in one way or another, the 74 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: vast majority of employees, and auto manufacturing and the steel industry, 75 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: all the mission critical stuff like Trucker's construction, food processing, 76 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: and the US at this point seemed pretty well on 77 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: the way to a new sort of guild system, just 78 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: like the guilds in Europe that led to corruption and inequality, 79 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: that led to you know, the journeyman Glass creating the 80 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: predecessor of the union. It's very strange to think about 81 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: it in big picture, and it might be difficult for 82 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: a lot of us to imagine this today, but not 83 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: very long ago at all, union leaders were a big, 84 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: big deal. They were like international figures. They were asked 85 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: about things on the news. They weighed in the same 86 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: way that um pundits qualified or unqualified will weigh in 87 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: on you know, your Fox News or your CNN or 88 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: what have you today. The most you know there are 89 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: folks like George Meaney, Walter Ruther. Uh, Jimmy Hoffa is 90 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: probably the most well known today because he disappeared. I 91 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: think I think we're legally obligated to say he disappeared 92 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: about seven years after his disappearance has declared legally dead. Anyway, 93 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: we'll get to that in a second. Uh. Remember the 94 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: show The Wire. They have the great expression whenever they 95 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: want to get something done outside of the official business, 96 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: when they need a favor. They talked about having suction, right, 97 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: and the the union leaders for a long time, they 98 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: had a lot of suction. They had a lot of influence, 99 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: had considerable economic and political influence. And this started to 100 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: worry the people at the top of the business community, 101 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: and you know the people that the business community owns 102 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: in large part Congress. Yeah exactly. And if you think 103 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: this is why I imagine it. Ben, tell me what 104 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: you think about this, but I imagine that an individual corporation, 105 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: especially one that is publicly traded, who is uh at 106 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: its heart, attempting to make profits for its shareholders, the 107 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: people that own stock in the corporation, and the board 108 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: members who run that corporation, right and I am. I 109 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: imagine that they feel squeezed often or that the profits 110 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 1: for that company and their ability to do their jobs 111 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: is squeezed by two things. And maybe there's a lot 112 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: more you know, factors here, but in my mind, it's 113 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: government regulation on whatever industry it is that they're functioning within, 114 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: and potentially labor unions or unions that are there. As 115 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: we mentioned in the last episode, there are cogs that 116 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: are required. They're human cogs perhaps as they see them, 117 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: that are needed to create the product on which they profit. 118 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: And I imagine that those two things together, you want 119 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: to alleviate one or the other, or perhaps both, or 120 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: there's like a desire perhaps to push back against both 121 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: of those groups. Yeah, So everybody has regardless of where 122 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: you find yourself in life, every hum in person will 123 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: typically have multiple folks that are stakeholders, are weighing in 124 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: on your opinion, and it's it's a thing that starts 125 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: when humans are in the cradle and it continues until 126 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: they expire. And the problem is that for most people, 127 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: these different stakeholders often have conflicting ideas or conflicting visions 128 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: about how they want the world to be. Make no mistake, 129 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: for the majority of Congress, this is not a compliment, 130 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: it's not a criticism. It is solely an observation. The 131 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: majority of Congress has several classes of constituents. There is 132 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: the average voter, and there is also the ownership class, 133 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: the ones who actually pay for the campaign and do 134 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: the lobbying and all that jazz. Uh. Anyway, Congress got 135 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: worried about this because the people who pay them through 136 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: the back door got worried. And and uh it a 137 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: surprise shamalan esque twist. The US Congress tried to do 138 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: something about corruption in the world of unions, in the 139 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: world of labor leadership. If you go back to nineteen 140 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: fifty seven, you'll find a guy named John L. McClellan. 141 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: He's a Democratic senator from Arkansas at the time, and 142 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: he focused on the idea of bribery, fraud, and racketeering 143 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: in some aspects of the labor movement. This was big 144 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: news at the time in seven. It was an investigation 145 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: that went on for two years, and it was red 146 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: meat for the press. People loved it. Uh, Congress did 147 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: find some things in their defense. They found corruption in 148 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: several major labor organizations, and this lad folks to call 149 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: for government intervention in the management of unions. And so 150 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: there was there's a crisis going on in at this time, 151 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: and Congress is going back and forth. You know, they're 152 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: like talking with the people who pay them, and then 153 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: they're like talking to voters. I guess when it's a 154 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: good pr opportunity, And they go back and forth about 155 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: different methods to improve standards and accountability for these labor organizations, 156 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: because you have to realize, at this point in their heyday, 157 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: labor organizations are tremendously powerful, and they are doing some 158 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: things that typically before that point would be restricted to 159 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: state level actors, to the government or two large businesses. 160 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: So eventually Congress makes this system of reporting that that 161 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: unions are required to do. And at first this system 162 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: is like not super convenient. It's kind of like, how 163 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: remember we were talking years ago about the Vatican Library right, 164 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: and there's this there's this part of the Vatican Library 165 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: that you can technically brows, but their system is so weird. 166 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: You don't have a list of what's in that library. 167 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: You have to know what you're asking for, and you 168 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: have to ask for it specifically, which is very strange. 169 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is this accountability moved by Congress um 170 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: may have been well intentioned. There certainly was a problem, 171 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: but it wasn't easy for people pro or anti union 172 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: to figure out what was going on with the finances. 173 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is Congress was doing the right thing 174 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: in this moment in time, but they perhaps weren't doing 175 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: it for the right reasons. Unions were riddled with bad 176 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: faith actors who were doing all kinds of objectively amazing 177 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: but objectively unethical stuff, you know, like like imagine, Matt, Matt, Matt, 178 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: Imagine you were like, um, what, what's the job you 179 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: would want to have if you and I weren't hanging out, 180 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: Like if you weren't in podcasting, you weren't a kick 181 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: ass executive producer, etcetera, ETCETERA foreman on a construction site. 182 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: All right, so you're the foreman of the Foreman's Union, 183 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: which I love. Uh. So you're the foreman of the 184 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: Foreman's Union, and through that leadership you can move a 185 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: great many people in step. You can go to a speech, 186 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: go do a speech, you can hold a rally, you 187 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: can send out a newsletter, and you can say, you know, uh, 188 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: the right guy to be the mayor of Chicago is 189 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: none other than Paul Mission controlled decades. And then you 190 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: can make that a voting block and you can swing 191 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: in election. Nothing is illegal about that, is it ethical? 192 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: Not really? But but you can also you can also 193 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: do other things right, especially if you get organized crime involved. Matt, 194 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: you and I know, and Paul you know as well. 195 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: We have a lot of friends who work in the 196 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: world of production, in film, television, commercials and so on. 197 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of unions in the world 198 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: of production. And for the most part, uh, those are 199 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: very good things and they need to exist. And most 200 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: of the public only here's about these unions when something 201 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: goes wrong. And you may be familiar with some of 202 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: these things, like the Director's Guild, the Producers Guild, the 203 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: Screen Actors Guild, the Teamsters Union. These are all things 204 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: that are thrown around and I think the Teamsters is 205 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: probably the best known. Shout out to my friend Michael, 206 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: who is currently a teamster who's out there in l 207 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: A doing his thing. Uh I know, a couple of 208 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: a couple of teamsters. They're really good folks, but the 209 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: good side, Yes, I do because of the union as 210 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: a bit of a past. Yeah, you nailed it, man. 211 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: That's that's where we're going with this. So this will 212 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: be doubtlessly familiar to all our fellow conspiracy realists to 213 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: work in the in the production industry. However, to find 214 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: one of the hard and fast rules is not to 215 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: mess with the teamsters because of strong precedent. And uh, 216 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: I mean, let's not pretend to be new here. Unions 217 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: in the United States have in the past been affiliated 218 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: with the organized crime. Of course, not all unions, right, 219 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: and certainly not all union members, most of whom are 220 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: just people trying to get ahead in their life, trying 221 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: to be paid a reasonable wage, spend some time with 222 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: their kids, make their kids life better than their life was. Like, 223 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: that's very understandable. That's the thing, to not have their 224 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: life just be one long work day that has a 225 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: few hours in between where you can sleep and see 226 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: your children. Yeah right, pretty much everybody just wants to, 227 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, have a nice life. Yeah, I don't think 228 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: not hell right, a life that feels that doesn't feel 229 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: like you're digging your own grave until the moment you're 230 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: shot and putting that grave. So like, I know that 231 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: sounds somewhat hyperbolic, but what what we're doing is showing 232 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: you the warts of an idea while we are also 233 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: understanding the perspective of the people involved. Look, here's the thing. 234 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: Imagine you are mafioso of some sort, right, You're not 235 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: just in the You're you're into crime, but you like 236 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: your crime organized, you know what I mean. There's there 237 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: is nothing quite as special and powerful as inserting yourself 238 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: into a union. It is a private agglomeration of many, 239 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: many people who have what one thing in common, which 240 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: is their industry. Right, So you can move demographics in 241 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: a very interesting way. You want to regulate an election, control, 242 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: especially a local election, control a union, have a voting step, 243 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: do what Matt did as the foreman of the Foreman's Union, 244 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: and have everybody vote for a certain guy for mayor 245 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: of Chicago. You want to make a percentage on any 246 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: number of industries dude, you want your big you want 247 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: to seek some rent. As they say in the world 248 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: of economics, boom boom boom. You know, now we control 249 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: you know, we control the the sanitation union of a city. 250 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: Now we can set the prices and we can make 251 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: that extra a percent. That's right, and it's and it's 252 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: one of the major criticisms against unions that is used 253 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: by a lot of union busters, which is one of 254 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: the things we're going to really get into this episode, 255 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: is that they can control quite a bit of money 256 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: because there are dues paid by every member of a union, right, 257 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: and the thought there, and it's been spoken about on 258 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: John Oliver and a bunch of other places there there 259 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: is a thought that continues that that money isn't used 260 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: to defend individual union members in cases where there's an issue, 261 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: which is really when you sign up for union, that's 262 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: what it's stated, right, you pay your dues so that 263 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: everybody collectively has this pool of money that can be 264 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: used for the for everybody's benefit collectively and individually. Um. 265 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of thought that that money, at 266 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: least historically, and it has been proven that in certain 267 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: cases it has been used this way, was used for 268 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: nefarious purposes, right, Yeah, it inevitably becomes embroiled in things 269 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: that maybe the average union member doesn't visibility or input on. 270 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: We just full disclosure before we recorded part two of this, Uh, 271 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: Matt and Mr Control and I we're talking about some 272 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: of the consulting videos that are created by UM. I 273 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: can only imagine very tone deaf union busting consultancies. And 274 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: again there are in a number of euphemisms for those organizations. 275 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: Employee relations management is one. Uh. But but we have 276 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: to raise this point. You know, we have to separate 277 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: ourselves a little bit from the propaganda. And you are 278 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: absolutely right, Matt. Sometimes union corruption got ugly because after 279 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: a certain threshold, you were talking about the realm of politics, 280 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: and there are very very few clean hands in that world, 281 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: very few. And this, uh, this is important for us 282 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: to note because also the interesting response to that idea 283 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: of paying dues and not having representation, right, that's it's 284 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: an echo of the idea of taxation without representation. That's 285 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: the objection, right. But you also logically have to ask, 286 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: if there's not a union, right, if you're if you're 287 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: just an employee negotiating individually, how much of a say 288 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: do you have you know what I mean. They're there's 289 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: like take um controversial political donations or uh political action 290 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: committee donations, all this stuff. Like the average person working 291 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: at a Chick fil A drive through, which is still 292 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: known today for its opposition to things like marriage equality 293 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: right same sex marriage. Chick fil A super not on 294 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: board with that, you know who. They don't ask before 295 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: they donate any of that money. They don't ask the 296 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: kid at the drive through. They don't care what that 297 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: kid thinks. So like that that kid has no input 298 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: in that regard either. So what we're saying is there 299 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: is a bad faith argument sometimes in that respect. That 300 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: being said, I know we're going back and forth, but 301 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: we have to do this. That's what we said. Yeah, 302 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: that being said, there there have been dirty actions by 303 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: union leaders. Perhaps the most famous is because our boy 304 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: Jimmy haffa known mob associate. This guy was shaking the 305 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: foundations of one of the most powerful and dangerous countries 306 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: on the planet until he disappeared. This is true story. 307 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: There is mundane enough to be true. This guy disappeared 308 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: last seen at a parking lot in a suburban restaurant 309 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: in Detroit, and he this was July. His body has 310 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: never been found. There's a great deal of speculation about it. 311 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I'm I I think we 312 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: do a full episode on this one. Matt Uh. Seven 313 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: years later, a judge declared him legally dead. As we 314 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: record now in no one ever got charged with any 315 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: sort of crime. He could have just gone off the grid. 316 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: But sometimes people just go, Yeah, sometimes they just go 317 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: it's more difficult than you might think to get off 318 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: the grid. We've got an episode on that, I believe. 319 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: But the thing is, no one's at this point, no 320 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: one's going to get charged with the likely murder of 321 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: Jimmy HOFFA spoiler. Uh, It's it's time for us to 322 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: assuming we don't get fired for being that honest about this, 323 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: it's time for us to say, Yeah, it might sound 324 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: like we're crapping on unions a bit, and that's not 325 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: the case. We're just emphasizing that, like most human organizations, again, 326 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: these are vulnerable to corruption. It's not a hot take, 327 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 1: it's not a new take. It is simply a boring 328 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: and time tested, a very true take. But at their heart, 329 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: unlike other organizations, I would argue that unions have always 330 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: been a noble pursuit, you know, like you vultron up. 331 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: Why why be one foreman when you can be ten thousand, 332 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, assemble the avengers of the working class, and 333 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: together we will pursue basic rights and guarantees that we 334 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: could not achieve on our own. And despite all the 335 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: bad press and despite yes, genuine cases of corruption, seems 336 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: that unions are a very good thing for a great 337 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: many people. But here's the thing. It sounds like communism 338 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: to me. Ben right, Here's the thing. Folks in power 339 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: know this as well. They're not really chumps in the 340 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: squad in this conversation everybody. We can assume that everybody 341 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: is a rational actor, and we can assume that they 342 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: are performing to the top of their intelligence. They just 343 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: have very different goals. That is why union busting remains 344 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: an active conspiracy. Today, we're gonna pause for a word 345 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: from our sponsors and then we'll dive in. Here's where 346 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. Matt Pinkerton's hangarns every like, I feel 347 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: like we would be goods. I feel like we could 348 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: do we could do stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, 349 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: oh god, that's really gross, but yeah, we would be 350 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: pretty Yeah, you can imagine myself being a private I 351 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: mean I've always i don't know, being a private detective 352 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: or you know, an FBI agent like on the case. 353 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: I think it's always something that I've kind of fantasized about. 354 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: And I think it's just because I had a lot 355 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: of maybe comic book heroes, everybody from Batman too, there's 356 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: still so many where yeah, where I just I want 357 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: to be investigating, and I feel like we get kind 358 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: of an outlet for that here. It's not the same 359 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: as being on the ground and getting my nose into things. Yeah, 360 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: but the thing is you and I, You and I 361 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: right now can't roll up to like, we can't roll 362 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: up on some group of people, shoot someone and then 363 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: flash a badge that says I'm a podcaster, you know 364 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: what I mean that we'd have to use the other well, 365 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: you know, if we use the word shooting as in 366 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: like getting a shotgun mic out, you know in AH six, 367 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: then yeah, we could roll up on a group of 368 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: people shoot and then say hey, we're podcasters. Hey for 369 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: the record. For the record, folks, we we do our 370 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: due diligence. We do have release forms, and that's part 371 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: of why we ask that you explicitly give us permission 372 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: to use you know, whatever nickname you wish or your 373 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: voice on air, that that informed consent is really important 374 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: to us, and it is not important to a lot 375 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: of anti union corporations. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, 376 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: it is not. Let let's just jump right into union busting. Ben, 377 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about this is a practice, a tale 378 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: as old as time. Specifically, there are their union busting 379 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: efforts happening right now, in the past. Oh, let's let's 380 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: give it a span of two three years, but right now, 381 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: actively there's union busting happening at major corporations. Specifically, you've 382 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: probably been reading about it occurring at Starbucks right now, Amazon, 383 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: right now, there's stuff in Walmart, I think, and even 384 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: in some uh some school districts in Minnesota with teachers unions. 385 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: So let's let's get into all of this. Yeah, yeah, 386 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: let's you know, I love the way of kicking this off. 387 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: So if you look at the three organizations that you 388 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: just named, Matt, Starbucks, Amazon, Walmart, they are actively involved 389 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: in a war for the hearts, minds, and most importantly, 390 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: the labor of their employees. And yeah, look there there 391 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: are a ton of laws on the books in the 392 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: United States that are meant to protect organized labor. But 393 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: those laws are written by people in power. So a 394 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: lot of things that seem like loopholes or seem like 395 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: lacks enforcement, those are those are features, they are not bugs. 396 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: If you're the average person living in the United States 397 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: and two, you probably don't think about unions often. It 398 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: comes to you as a story, and like an abbreviated 399 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: news clip, it's often going to be biased. It's sometimes 400 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: a snooze fest. You know. We we all sort of 401 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: collectively fall asleep when we hear a gobbledegook of initials 402 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: or numbers we don't understand, Like, what is I be EU? 403 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: What is a fl dash C? I oh, what does 404 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: that mean to me? I got stuff to do? You 405 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean? I got I'm I'm making a 406 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: case of DA or whatever. But the labor movement, as 407 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: but that's a universal thing. The labor movement, as imperfect 408 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: as it is, it has done great things again, you know, 409 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: and this is probably the last time I'll mention it. 410 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: But it is the reason the concept of the weekend exists. 411 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: Those two days off, not the artist. We didn't we 412 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: didn't have time to text them about unions before recording, 413 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: but check in. We'll ask him. Uh, it's the reason 414 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: you have paid vacation, that you have sick days, that 415 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: you have some vestige of rights to privacy or used 416 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: to with your employer, and on and on and on 417 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: and on and on. And this is a big, big, 418 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: big big, like, sir, mix a lot level, but uh, 419 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: that's changing. It is, dude, there is what some people 420 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: call a decision point. Are you laughing at the like big? 421 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: But it was your delivery man. It was perfectly good, 422 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: sir makes a lot that's not us. But but yeah, 423 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: it turns out company town company towns are going to 424 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: be a thing again, right we we talked about that 425 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. The red flag there or the 426 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: next red flag for those will be when the employees 427 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: slash residents of those company towns are paid in something 428 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: that is not a state currency. So like, go live 429 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: at the Tesla factory town and get paid in crypto. 430 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: You know that's gonna be another red flag. Also, it 431 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: turns out Pinkerton's never left. Don't call it a comeback. 432 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: They've been here. Uh. They make a lot of money 433 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: undermining by hook or by crook, of folks who are 434 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: conspiring to form unions, and that alone, to me, no 435 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: matter how you feel, that alone should trigger your spidy sense. 436 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: You have to ask yourself at some point, why do 437 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: people empower spend so much time and so much energy 438 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: fighting this the old like if we walk through it, man, 439 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: The only thing that I can reasonably say is that 440 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: people in power want to stay in power and they 441 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: don't want the proletariat messing with the status quo. You 442 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's so it's weird, But 443 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what do you think that? Does that 444 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: make sense? I I it does make sense. I'm trying 445 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: to this. The whole research portion for me during these 446 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: episodes has been trying to understand that question, why why 447 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: are companies so against unions and an organized labor within 448 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: their organizations? And I'm this is what I've come up with. 449 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: You tell me what you think. I think you're dealing 450 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: with operations costs for a company. So how much does 451 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: it cost me to produce one thing that is one 452 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: unit of the thing that I produce, whether that's a 453 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: go or a service? Right, how much does it cost 454 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: me as the company to produce that one thing which 455 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: then uh leads to how much that thing costs for 456 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: the consumer, right, because you're you're gonna like if you 457 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: imagine it markup on food or on wine or uh 458 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: like a hotel room, the markup that you charge a 459 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: customer in order to make a profit. It feels to 460 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: me that labor unions, because all of your labor increases 461 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: in price across the board. If if a labor union 462 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: comes in and successfully, you know, is able to negotiate 463 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: new contracts for all the people, it pushes all the 464 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: prices up in in a wave. Rather than one person 465 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: getting a raise here, one person you know, getting promoted here. Um, 466 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: I imagine the company worrying about how that's going to 467 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: affect them down the line more rather than spending some 468 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: of the profits that they've made in the past to 469 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,720 Speaker 1: fight back against that potential wave. And that's the reason 470 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: I can imagine rationally, right, if everybody's a rational actor, 471 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 1: the way we discuss geopolitics when we're talking about North Korea, 472 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: Russia or something. But you know, I don't know, that 473 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: makes me feel icky. That takes me back to my 474 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: early like business school days, and I do not like it. Yeah, No, 475 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: you're you're making it. I mean that that is true, right, 476 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: that is inarguably the case. If you if you think 477 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: about it that way, if you can understand sort of 478 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: the calculus of the people involved or the institutions involved, 479 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: then you can also understand a little bit about why 480 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: they would be still very tone death. And again, this 481 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: is not a statement for we're against unionization. You can 482 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: read a lot of fantastic scholarship about the history of 483 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: labor movements. You can read a lot of hilarious writing 484 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: from various consulting firms. I want to draw your attention 485 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: to an excellent genre of videos we found on YouTube, 486 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: which are all just screen rips of very poorly done, 487 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: very poorly done uh anti unionization videos that are paid 488 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: for by these corporations. We just watched a very very 489 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: disappointing one from Walmart that has some pretty racist tinges 490 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: to it. And uh also, I've gotta i gotta point out, Matt. 491 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: When I'm watching these videos, I'm wondering sometimes, like, are 492 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: these actors themselves in a union? Are they in the 493 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: screen Actors Guild. I'm gonna say a non non sag operation. 494 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm just gonna I don't think there's a 495 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: lot of most favorite nations going on there, which is 496 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: a term that I've had to learn after working with 497 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: the Screen Actors Guild for quite a while. Now. Yes, yes, yeah, 498 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: the most favorite status. So so we're going to introduce 499 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: some examples of present union busting activities, uh, and we're 500 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: going to be objective, as objective as possible, and then 501 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: we're going to maybe freestyle a little bit on the 502 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: possible future and the great conflict between the owners and 503 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: the workers. But before we do that, we're gonna pause 504 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: for word from our sponsor, check whether or not Russia's 505 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: law bunch of the nukes and won't be back. Everything's 506 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: looking clear over here, Ben, Yep, yep. Gas prices are 507 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: still around four dollars, So we're okay four dollars in 508 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: the US. Yeah, we are back. We're back in there. 509 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: There exists in the US alone, a multi million dollar 510 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: industry dedicated entirely too information warfare targeted against unions. Again, 511 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how any of us feel for or 512 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: against the idea of labor unions, you have to acknowledge 513 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,760 Speaker 1: that there are people spending a lot of money trying 514 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: to stop them from happening. And here's the thing. Anti 515 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: union people, you'll love this. Pro union people, you'll hate this. 516 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: That information warfare has been remarkably successful today. If you 517 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: look at the like overall, look at the United States, 518 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: look at people who work in the US, you'll see 519 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: that about a little over ten percent of them belong 520 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: to a union. That is half the rate it was 521 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 1: back in nineteen three, which is longer ago than it sounds, 522 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: but is recent enough to be disturbing because you see 523 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: this dramatic define well, yeah, and you think about that 524 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: in contrast to the fact that just under half of 525 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: the American workers who are not in a union say 526 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 1: they would like to be in a union. And remember 527 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: that's an individual person that would like to be in 528 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: a union, And that makes sense, right, about half of 529 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: the people who are not want to be in one. 530 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: But when you, you know, go, when you begin to 531 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: have those conversations with other people at your workplace of 532 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: whom likely at least statistically, would want to be in 533 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: a union as well, you're going to find pushback, lots 534 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: of pushback because, as Ben said, it's organized. The pushback 535 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: is organized, right, right, Yeah, there's not a lot of 536 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: improvisation in this in this theater. You know we talked 537 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: about in the past. We've got a lot of our 538 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists who wrote in because they worked or 539 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: are currently working for Amazon. Right. And one of the 540 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: big things that the mainstream media grappled onto, and I know, 541 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: I know it's now it's like a controversial term to 542 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: say mainstream media, but we're using the term correctly. One 543 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: of the things that the media did pay attention to 544 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: where the human inter stories, not the systemic structural problems 545 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: that give birth to this conflict, but stories about you know, 546 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: a a worker at Amazon and employee at Amazon having 547 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: to like being so pressed to make impossible quotas that 548 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: they had to urinate in bottles because they didn't literally 549 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: did not have time to walk to a restroom without 550 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: getting fired. The thing about those human interest stories, oh 551 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: and they are human interest stories, and there are stories 552 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: of injustice. The thing about them is they're true. Amazon 553 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: was like no way, ted, and then they were like, 554 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,399 Speaker 1: oh sorry, we said no way. And then later in 555 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: a third step, they were like yes, wait Ted anyway. Uh, 556 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, think of it this way, says Amazon. Why 557 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't you piss in a gatorade bottle to help your 558 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,879 Speaker 1: boss get to space kind of for eleven minutes. You know, priorities, 559 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: be a team player. And then they said party on garth. 560 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: That's really um, that's really messed up. And here's the deal. Ultimately, 561 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: if you imagine yourself in your position wherever you work, 562 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: if you work, however, whatever your situation is, if you 563 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: imagine yourself getting together with a bunch of your coworkers, 564 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: maybe your friends outside of work, people who are all 565 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: all working together, and you imagine, um, you know, fighting 566 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: for something like creating a union, knowing that there is 567 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: this concerted effort to prevent you from doing that. Pretty 568 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: much across the board should be a red flag in 569 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: your mind. And it doesn't matter if you want to 570 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 1: form a union or not. You should if you should, 571 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: just stick out that somebody doesn't want you to unionize, 572 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: whether you want to or not. Right, you know what 573 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean? If if, if this stuff is indeed ineffective, 574 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: then why are you worried about it being successful? You 575 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean? That's that's if the union is 576 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: just gonna take money from you in the form of 577 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: dues and then use it for its own and various purposes, 578 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: then why would the employer be worried? Yeah? Right. Unfortunately, 579 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: there are a lot of scare tactics that don't seem 580 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,479 Speaker 1: to correct me if I'm wrong here, folks. They don't 581 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: seem to hold up to actual scrutiny. Like one of 582 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: the big ones that has been pointed out in the 583 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: past is uh oh God. I should begin this by saying, 584 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: we have watched a great many terrible workplace training videos 585 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: that are entirely about the dangers of joining in a union. 586 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: And they are they are for the most part bad 587 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: faith arguments, at least from what I can tell. And 588 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: I you know that I'll be honest with you. That's 589 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 1: my opinion. I UM, I always welcome any any like 590 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: correction or if anybody can shed a new perspective on this, 591 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: please do right in call us one three three std 592 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: w y t K conspiracy Diheart radio dot com. But 593 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: here's what I think you and I both found that, um, 594 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: there's a bit of double think in these arguments. There's 595 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: a bit of um honestly kind of lazy rhetoric. Like 596 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: if if you are a consulting firm and you're being 597 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: paid to misinform people and to scare them. And that's 598 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: your job. Do a better job. I hope it don't 599 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: sound like a jerk about it. But like, like, take 600 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: the argument, the argument um that if people join some 601 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 1: sort of labor union there are wages might go up, 602 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: they might go down, you know what I mean, They 603 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: might go up. But the idea of those wages going 604 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: down is somewhat fanciful because given like what you said earlier, 605 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: if wages, like if it decreased the costs for a 606 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: company or organization, they'd be all about it. They'd be 607 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: all about unions, you know what I mean. They'd be like, 608 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: you have to join a union so that we don't 609 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: pay you more than ten dollars an hour or whatever 610 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: what happened. So it just yeah, because it doesn't make sense. 611 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: What do you get in a union? What's what's the 612 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: primary benefit of having a union? I would say, and 613 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,399 Speaker 1: I think this is what union organizers would say. It's 614 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: collective bargaining. So you've got a group that is bargaining 615 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: with a corporation, a company, someone that sets prices for labor, 616 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,439 Speaker 1: rather than an individual saying you know, um, and maybe 617 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: an individual saying you know, I deserve to be paid 618 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: this much money, or I require to be paid this 619 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: much money. It's everybody saying, let's negotiate. Let's talk talk 620 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: about how much somebody at this level should get paid, 621 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,879 Speaker 1: and then what happens when they move up a level? 622 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: What does that pay look like? Um, and let's do 623 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: it across the board rather than one off for everybody, 624 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: depending on you know, whose uncle they know. Which is 625 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 1: a thing, right, which is the thing? Nepotism is a thing. Um. 626 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: Meritocracy is something that groups of humans love to pay 627 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: lip service to, but they like talking about it a 628 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: lot more than they like practicing it. Let's, you know, 629 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: speaking of examples, let's take some real world examples that 630 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: are happening now earlier this March. We're recording on the 631 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: very first day of April, is not in April Fool's 632 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: Day episode. Earlier this March, some folks working for Amazon 633 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: in New York City, at the largest Amazon warehouse in 634 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 1: that area. Uh, they started voting on whether or not 635 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: they wanted to Oregon eyes enjoy the union. And as 636 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:10,959 Speaker 1: we're recording now that vote, that tally is still ongoing. Uh. 637 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: There was on the other side, and that one will 638 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: probably go through on the other side is the Staten 639 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: Island one. No, there's another one in Staten Island, and 640 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: we have a we have a broken news update on 641 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: that one. That is so the biggest one is JFK eight, 642 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: number eight and that's still going on. But the Amazon 643 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: warehouse in nearby Staten Island, which is l d J five, 644 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: uh is I think we got some breaking news on 645 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: that right yeah, we do. Coming out of CNBC right 646 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: now article titled Amazon workers on Staten Island vote for 647 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: companies first unionized warehouse in the US. And it's looking 648 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: at the vote that just came in and tally was 649 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,360 Speaker 1: two thousand, six d fifty four votes in favor of 650 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: joining the union, two thousand and thirty one opposed, and 651 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: there were sixty seven challenged ballots. But that's not enough 652 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: to change, you know, the outcome of that election. So 653 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: it is, uh, it's decided that it really is Amazon's 654 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,240 Speaker 1: first unionized warehouse is going to be on Staten Island 655 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,400 Speaker 1: as of today, Friday, April one again, not April fools. 656 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: Again not April fools. But if you travel not that 657 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 1: far away to down to Alabama in the US, you 658 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,800 Speaker 1: will see another Amazon warehouse that how to vote where 659 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: in about fifty three percent of the workforce was against 660 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: the idea. And while these link when we're giving you 661 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: these statistics, these percentages, these votes for against things, you 662 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: have to understand that the people who are working in 663 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: these situations sans are often inundated with propaganda. They're often 664 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: uh walking through hallways that are plastered with passive aggressive 665 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,799 Speaker 1: warnings about the dangers. And you can. Yeah, and while 666 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: it is legally against the law for a company to 667 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:30,320 Speaker 1: fire someone or terminate them in reprisal for organizing, there's 668 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: nothing to stop them from finding another reason, you know 669 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,919 Speaker 1: what I mean, like, um, your tendance or like your 670 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: some performance metric which can be made up and then 671 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: and then instituted, like this is all about creating a need. Yeah, 672 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: it's a good reason to keep metrics on your employees, 673 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: like rots or something. Um right, Amazon, So but check 674 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: this out. We're talking of those anti union efforts. You 675 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,800 Speaker 1: can go to Engadget and you can read a story 676 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: that came out also today for first titled Amazon spent 677 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,240 Speaker 1: four point three million on anti union consultants in one alone. 678 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: Some were paid thirty dollars per day. And you just 679 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,359 Speaker 1: you know, again, you look at how much does it 680 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 1: cost a company to fight against a union versus what 681 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,920 Speaker 1: it would actually cost them to pay everyone a living wage, 682 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: and you know things like healthcare. Let's get into it. 683 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:37,240 Speaker 1: Let's like just Interjack Matt. Let's become union buster leaders. 684 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: Let's start a union for union busters. And then let's 685 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: let's make it as quickly as possible. Yes, and then 686 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,919 Speaker 1: make videos. Oh, the videos will get feel good. Oh 687 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: my gosh. All right, we're gonna call Illumination Global unlimited 688 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 1: after this. We gotta pull out our wigia boards. But 689 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: but your make you're making a great point, you know. Um, 690 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 1: there's also the idea of a sunk cost fallacy, which 691 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 1: we don't have to get into. Another very likely way 692 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:15,759 Speaker 1: people have heard about unionization recently is Starbucks. There are 693 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,360 Speaker 1: probably like two to fifty three Starbucks in your town. 694 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,319 Speaker 1: I'm making up that number. There are a lot, is 695 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,280 Speaker 1: what we're saying. It was the kind of the first 696 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 1: coffee store of its time, with that with that level 697 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,799 Speaker 1: of reach, uh, nine of those stores voted to organize 698 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,560 Speaker 1: a labor union, and more than as we record now, 699 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,600 Speaker 1: more than a hundred and fifty are seeking to do 700 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: the same thing. And Starbucks has fired some of those organizers. 701 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,400 Speaker 1: You could say things are reaching a boiling points. This 702 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 1: can be seen as a resurgence of sorts, sort of 703 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: a nascent new labor movement if you wanted to use 704 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,240 Speaker 1: capital letters. However, not everybody's on board with this idea. 705 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: You can find cases of workers who fear unionization will 706 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 1: be an overall negative thing for them. And we're going 707 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: to be very fair in this regard. Uh. First you 708 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:25,400 Speaker 1: have to admit that those workers might be spotlighted by 709 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,240 Speaker 1: consulting firms. Right, you want to have that human face 710 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,839 Speaker 1: that says not for me. But also there are categories 711 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,760 Speaker 1: of concerns that that are pretty valid. Number one, fear 712 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: of reprisal. I might lose my job or I might 713 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,759 Speaker 1: stay on as a kind of lame duck career. I 714 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: won't get those new opportunities, I won't get promoted, I 715 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,240 Speaker 1: won't get a raise. And then there's you know, like, 716 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,239 Speaker 1: like we mentioned earlier, the idea of extra cost I 717 00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,360 Speaker 1: have to pay these union dues. We've seen so so 718 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: many ads where it's like all they do is take 719 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: kint of my paycheck and I don't get to decide 720 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: where it goes. Or what happens to it and cats 721 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 1: and dogs and raining you know Panama. Well, it is 722 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 1: interesting how it how that one factors in on an 723 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: individual level, because it will it will affect employees differently 724 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: because is it is a percentage, right, everybody pays the 725 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,440 Speaker 1: same percentage, but that percentage is going to get bigger 726 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: and bigger depending on what you're standing is in the company, right, 727 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: and how much you pay. So it becomes a real 728 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: thing that you have to take into consideration when you're 729 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: choosing to join a union or not. So it really 730 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,799 Speaker 1: is something that everyone has to take into account when 731 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,439 Speaker 1: they're considering joining a union or not, or at least 732 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,399 Speaker 1: fighting for it. And then there's also, uh, just while 733 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,200 Speaker 1: we're on this thread, there's there's also again the problem 734 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:04,919 Speaker 1: of cyclical history. Guilds started out as a very good thing, right, 735 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 1: and guilds were organized labor guilds quickly decayed into corruption 736 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,799 Speaker 1: and oligarchy. And that's not you know, that's not even 737 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: a ding on guilds. Really, that's a day on the 738 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: human species. That's why you see, um, that's why you 739 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,760 Speaker 1: see so many revolutionaries, just like the pigs in animal 740 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:31,240 Speaker 1: farm become in practice the same thing they originally fought against. 741 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 1: It is right, someone's got to be more equal than others. Right. 742 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: So the other concern that people would have about unions 743 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,959 Speaker 1: is a lack of autonomy. That's kind of funny, I think, 744 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: but it's it's a real concern. This is most often 745 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 1: portrayed as an inability to negotiate employment at an individual level. 746 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,160 Speaker 1: It is the pursuit of happiness sold to people. It 747 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,360 Speaker 1: is kind of the American dream that you have to 748 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: support the billionaires because one day you might also be 749 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,239 Speaker 1: a billionaire. You know what I mean. Don't you want 750 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,279 Speaker 1: to be cool? Yeah, you might work your way all 751 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,759 Speaker 1: the way up that ladder right to the top. But 752 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,320 Speaker 1: if you let these unions get in here and define 753 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 1: what ladders are, I mean, who knows exactly. Uh. It's like, 754 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: you know, I may not be the brightest crayon in 755 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 1: that Crayola box, but it is my god given right 756 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,560 Speaker 1: to shoot myself in the foot whenever I please, you know, 757 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:53,880 Speaker 1: so like right, like says America. Yeah, well you know, 758 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,799 Speaker 1: and honestly, everybody, this is a This is a really 759 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,360 Speaker 1: concerning thing because up to this point we've talked about 760 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,600 Speaker 1: the history of unions and union busting and the problems uh, 761 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,879 Speaker 1: you know, on both sides of the minds aisle there. 762 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,279 Speaker 1: But when it gets really concerning, it is when we 763 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,800 Speaker 1: think about the version of union bussing that exists now, 764 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 1: and then you apply future technology and things that we 765 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:27,799 Speaker 1: know they are coming to those efforts. Yes, yeah, this 766 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,040 Speaker 1: is this is the point where I think we were 767 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna have to end on this one. And 768 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,359 Speaker 1: you should be disturbed by the way, regardless of how 769 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,800 Speaker 1: you personally feel about this stuff. Let's let's introduce Professor 770 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 1: kin Phillips fine Uh. Professor Phillips fine Is works as 771 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:53,239 Speaker 1: a professor of history at New York University. And this 772 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,400 Speaker 1: professor has a quote that I think stood out to 773 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 1: us here. It is there is a growing sense that 774 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 1: the weakness we have seen in organized labor is the 775 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 1: result of social and economic policies that have disproportionately favored 776 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 1: the wealthy and corporations. And that is a real problem. 777 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,439 Speaker 1: And yeah, you have to keep in mind whenever we're 778 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,040 Speaker 1: pulling from an academic source, these are people who spend 779 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 1: their lives thinking about this. They don't say this kind 780 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:27,360 Speaker 1: of stuff lightly. It's not cocktailed our chatter for them, 781 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:34,080 Speaker 1: And it doesn't really matter what Matt thinks or what 782 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,200 Speaker 1: Paul thinks, or what I think, or what you think 783 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,440 Speaker 1: honestly about whether you're for against unions. What Professor Phillips 784 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,879 Speaker 1: Fine is pointing out here is that income inequality is skyrocketing. 785 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:55,280 Speaker 1: It is crazy not good for the average person, regardless 786 00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,719 Speaker 1: again of almost any other attribute you could add or 787 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 1: any way one is slice a demographic there. It's an 788 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: unsustainable level. It's reaching Gilded Age. It is very, very bad. Really, 789 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,120 Speaker 1: you just look at the average salary in any city, 790 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 1: and then look at the average home cost in any city, 791 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,200 Speaker 1: of the average mortgage loan that it would require to 792 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:27,880 Speaker 1: purchase a small home in any average city. In Atlanta 793 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 1: right now, we're just at the top end of three 794 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, like four hundred thousand dollars right in 795 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,919 Speaker 1: that like upper echelon range for an average starter home. 796 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,439 Speaker 1: The like the one that I'm sitting in right now, 797 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,720 Speaker 1: is the starter home that I was able to get 798 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 1: after years of saving. I was able to get a 799 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,600 Speaker 1: giant loan that I'm going to be paying off until 800 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 1: God knows when. But like I eked in, I eked 801 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,800 Speaker 1: in at a time when I was not getting I'm 802 00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,640 Speaker 1: not getting paid a lot of money, but I was 803 00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: able to just get it to to get a bank 804 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,600 Speaker 1: to give me the money to get in here. And 805 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,600 Speaker 1: the American dream. Yeah, it's just it's just it's a 806 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:15,640 Speaker 1: full sleeve and it is just like, there's no way 807 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,240 Speaker 1: I could do that right now. There's no way in 808 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: hell I could do that in Atlanta. In Atlanta is 809 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,919 Speaker 1: one of the better priced places. And when you're when 810 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,160 Speaker 1: it comes to bigger cities across the planet, not just 811 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,920 Speaker 1: in the United States, if you look at Canada, it 812 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,320 Speaker 1: seems to be even worse. I was reading a thing 813 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,280 Speaker 1: about Toronto the other day. I mean, it's just like 814 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: those two things together, the average income of an individual 815 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,400 Speaker 1: and then what it costs for housing, even rent. If 816 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,280 Speaker 1: you're not owning a home, but you're just trying to 817 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:53,000 Speaker 1: pay somebody rent. It's crazy right now. Agreed, Agreed, And 818 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:58,360 Speaker 1: you know the same applies to Australia. Housing costs are 819 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,200 Speaker 1: out of control. The basic stuff you need to live, 820 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,800 Speaker 1: not even live well, not even thrive, you know what 821 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean, just just have someplace to put your stuff, 822 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,840 Speaker 1: right like that has become a pipe dream for a 823 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:21,040 Speaker 1: lot of people, and unfortunately, all indications show us that 824 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:26,200 Speaker 1: it will continue to worsen until it reaches an inflection point. 825 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,720 Speaker 1: I brought back inflection point. I thought you would like that. 826 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 1: That's for you, Matt. I've been waiting waiting. Oh man, 827 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 1: I wonder if people ever, if people ever hear us 828 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:45,600 Speaker 1: off air grading our own conversations. It's hilarious. Uh. You know, 829 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,720 Speaker 1: we've gone through so many phases of like language that 830 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 1: we're like, okay, we're done with that one. But inflection 831 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 1: point will never die. We reach an inflection point about 832 00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:02,480 Speaker 1: talking about inflection points, that's what happened. So yeah, it's 833 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,600 Speaker 1: gallows humor. You know, while people can still afford gallows, 834 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,600 Speaker 1: it's gallows humor, but it is. It is true. Human 835 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:16,960 Speaker 1: beings are collectively, regardless of their political perspective. Approaching something 836 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:22,760 Speaker 1: like neo feudalism and feudalism. Just be very clear about 837 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 1: this sucks for the majority of people. It's super awesome 838 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,000 Speaker 1: for like two percent of people, and it's absolutely terrible 839 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,600 Speaker 1: for everybody else. And the people who want neo feudalism 840 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,000 Speaker 1: don't care. They don't care. I think it's awesome. Uh, 841 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,520 Speaker 1: and from their perspective. It's rational. Oh absolutely, If you're 842 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,760 Speaker 1: in that two you could just stand right up at 843 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,880 Speaker 1: a word ceremony, walk on stage, slap out of somebody 844 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:55,000 Speaker 1: and everything would be fine. I did not see that 845 01:00:55,080 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 1: way coming back. Okay, well all right, if we if 846 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,080 Speaker 1: we don't put it into our show right now, no 847 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,920 Speaker 1: way you will ever remember, because it's gonna go away 848 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:14,800 Speaker 1: very soon. We said something. Chris Rock is one of 849 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,920 Speaker 1: my heroes. Okay, Smith, this sucks, all right? Well, well, 850 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:26,680 Speaker 1: it's evident that inequality is sort of part of the 851 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,200 Speaker 1: war on the working class. It's evident in the increasing 852 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 1: difficulty of entering the ownership class. It's evident in the 853 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:41,160 Speaker 1: increasing control of media, the increasing partisanship of media. It's 854 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,840 Speaker 1: evident in the successful institution of various laws and policies 855 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:51,080 Speaker 1: that victimize the people at the bottom. This crazy pyramid 856 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,200 Speaker 1: scheme that is American society, and the future of union 857 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,880 Speaker 1: busting is a future of surveillance. It is one of 858 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:06,920 Speaker 1: profiling and curtailing movements before they begin. We started early 859 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,800 Speaker 1: with the Pinkerton's and let's end with them. You know 860 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:17,160 Speaker 1: what they're into nowadays, spoiler alert. Machine learning writing algorithms 861 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:24,160 Speaker 1: identifying you before you become the person who says, hey, 862 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,040 Speaker 1: why do we keep losing our hands in the lumber mill? 863 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,200 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like this is this is 864 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,240 Speaker 1: true stuff. This is important and I think for us, 865 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, we're going a little long on this, but 866 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,920 Speaker 1: for us, the most important part of this, the mission 867 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 1: critical thing, is to understand that the if you're listening, 868 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:51,440 Speaker 1: the onus is on you two figure out these issues, 869 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:56,080 Speaker 1: and you have to pay careful attention to the motivations, 870 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,400 Speaker 1: the ulterior motives, I should say, of the people who 871 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 1: are talking to you as though they have it all 872 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,600 Speaker 1: figured out. You have to question everything. And the first 873 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,680 Speaker 1: question you should ask when you hear something like that 874 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:22,680 Speaker 1: is why, well, be a four year old like that way? 875 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:28,000 Speaker 1: But why though? Why so? Like that's that's the thing, 876 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,680 Speaker 1: like if you if you just look at the way 877 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:35,560 Speaker 1: the chess pieces are arranged, then you can learn quite 878 01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:41,000 Speaker 1: a bit about the motivations for very anti union people 879 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:45,240 Speaker 1: and the motivations for very pro union people, and the 880 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,280 Speaker 1: conspiracies involved, because there really are conspiracies involved. These are 881 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,400 Speaker 1: not theories and we cannot wait to hear from you. 882 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, as always so much for tuning in what's 883 01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 1: your take unions for him against them? What are some 884 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,400 Speaker 1: of your favorite union conspiracies. If you are listening to 885 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,600 Speaker 1: this and you happen to be Jimmy Haffa and you 886 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,160 Speaker 1: are in fact a live drop us a line. We 887 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,840 Speaker 1: try to be easy to find on the internet. Facebook, 888 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:18,840 Speaker 1: here's where it gets crazy. Twitter, Instagram, uh, YouTube. If 889 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,720 Speaker 1: you're not into social media, we have a book coming 890 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,880 Speaker 1: out hopefully if we don't get fired for this episode, 891 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,200 Speaker 1: and uh if you if you don't, if you don't 892 01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,360 Speaker 1: like books, and if you don't like social media, we 893 01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 1: get it. That's why we have a phone number just 894 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,600 Speaker 1: for you. That's right. Use your phone to dial one 895 01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:42,320 Speaker 1: eight three three st d w y t K. It's 896 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,200 Speaker 1: a voicemail service. You will hear Ben's voice. Then you 897 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,120 Speaker 1: can add yours to the mix. You have three minutes. 898 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,720 Speaker 1: Please give yourself a cool nickname. Let us know if 899 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,919 Speaker 1: we can use your voice and message on the air, 900 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,480 Speaker 1: and then there you go. Anything you want to say, suggestions, 901 01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,120 Speaker 1: things we've directly asked about, we want to hear for you. 902 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,000 Speaker 1: Jokes you got jokes, we'll take them. We love them, 903 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,720 Speaker 1: we need them. Please. Gets dark around here pretty quickly 904 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,480 Speaker 1: and pretty often, so anything to light in the mood 905 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,200 Speaker 1: would be great. 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