WEBVTT - Engaging with the Political Opposition—A Conversation with Ami Horowitz (Part 2) 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.600 Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:04.960 the balance and defend the discourse from the Hip Hop 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.200 Weekly Studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host, 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:09.799 Rams's job. Big shout out to q Ward who is 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.480 out on the road making it happen with the change makers. 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.279 And we will be back in the studio together next week. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.400 But for now, we have a dear friend of the show. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:21.479 Amy Horwitz, with us. 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.320 For those who don't know, Amy is an American conservative 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.040 documentary filmmaker and activist. He is the writer, producer, and 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.320 director of Amy on the Loose, a satirical short film series. 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.479 He is also the host of the recent documentary The 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.560 Art of War, a look into the practices of the IDF. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:38.960 And we are in the middle of having a conversation 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.720 that well can serve as an example of how to 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:49.120 communicate with people who feel differently than you. Insofar as 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.640 our politics are concerned. Amy and I have committed to 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.880 loving each other no matter what, and that has forced 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.160 us to see the human in each other over the politics, 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.280 and so stick around to see how we navigate these waters. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.280 But before we get back to it, it's time to 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.760 be aba, become a better allied Boba and today's Bobba. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.480 I want to shout out Stephanie Calabrisi and the film 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.480 Unspoken for those that don't know. Unspoken is a powerful 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.720 and insightful documentary feature film that explores the impact of 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.720 racial division in a small southern town, particularly in relation 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.880 to the nineteen forty six more Ford lynching, which is 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:26.199 considered the last mass lynching in America. Through the iPhone 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.880 camera lens of residents Stephanie Calabrisi, the film uncovers buried 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.520 truths and shed the light on the secrecy that still 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.959 surrounds this tragic event, as well as the ongoing impact 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.880 of segregation, the civil rights movement, and the integration of 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:43.080 schools and society in Monroe, Georgia. Source from forty interviews 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.039 with fellow residents and extensive research, Unspoken offers a nuanced 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.240 and complex understanding of the historical factors that have contributed 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.280 to the racial divide in the town, as well as 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.400 contemporary challenges that continue to perpetuate it. By bringing these 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.000 issues to the surface, the film aims to inspire dialogue 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.440 focused on race, relationship divisions and opportunities for reconciliation and 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:06.720 hometowns across America. Unspoken is an important and timely work 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.400 that has the potential to create meaningful change and contribute 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.799 to a deeper understanding of the complex and ongoing impact 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:16.079 of racism in America. Unspoken is now streaming on Amazon 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.639 Prime Video in the US and the UK, and you 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.800 can find out more at Unspoken dot film. And Stephanie 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:29.959 is another friend of the show, and her take on 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:36.240 this incident in this town is very special. You get 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.639 to see the world through the lens of a white 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:45.120 woman as she learns how her journey can be more 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.079 meaningful and more impactful, as she grows in her role 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.440 as an ally, and as she learns as a human 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.040 being on a journey. And it's a very special film, 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:55.520 So I employ you ought to see it once again 0:02:55.800 --> 0:03:04.440 Unspoken dot Film. All right, Ami, Now, when we're last talking, 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:11.359 you mentioned that basically the reason why Trump's approval rating 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.000 with Republicans is very similar to why Biden's approval rating 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:19.440 was higher among liberals, and that's that, you know, whoever 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.200 has their guy in the office, they're expecting the guy 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.400 to do what they want, and if they're delivering on 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.720 that agenda or those objectives, then they seem to be happy, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:36.520 which is a fantastic response. And the rest of the world, 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:42.400 I think, if I may be so bold, is looking 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.840 at some of the things that maybe he did not promise, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:51.200 some of the things that maybe were unexpected. You know, 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.720 a lot of what people expected was straight out of 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.160 the pages of Project twenty twenty five. Right, So anything 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.720 that comes out of Project twenty twenty five seems on 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.840 brand for Donald Trump. He would say it's Agenda forty seven. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.320 But of course the architects of Project twenty twenty five 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.000 are all over his cabinet, and there is a collective agenda, 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.520 whether or not anyone admits to it, it very much 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.960 mirrors the kind of the thrust of Project twenty twenty 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.760 five to rework the government in the image of a 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.279 decidedly conservative regime. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.520 Now, by the way, if I. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:32.279 May, is the job of every every administration, left or right. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.520 That's their job. Their goal is to make remake the 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.960 government as much as they can the image of their philosophy. 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:38.720 You could argue that. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.960 You could argue that, but so in Donald Trump's Big 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.760 Beautiful Bill, for instance, And this is something that I've 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:50.280 seen quite a bit from the right, from Republicans. There 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.640 is a clause and I had it up on Google yesterday. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.640 I could pull it back up, but it was section seven. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.080 It was a five digit number, Section seven something or. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.880 Other, and. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:06.840 Buried in this big, beautiful bill was effectively an out 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:14.640 for federal agents, federal actors from prosecution by federal judges. 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:19.440 Right, And that kind of flies in the face. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:24.560 Of kind of the the I guess the premise of 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.880 the founding documents in this country that set up, you know, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.040 checks and balances in our government. Right, there's no branch 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:36.520 that is going to be unchecked. We will have no kings, right. 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.120 And I think this and things like this I find 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.680 to be very commonplace. There are things that just kind 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.200 of come out of left field. When it comes to 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.240 Donald Trump, Terraff's come to mind. He talked about tariffs 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.640 quite a bit, but his approach to tariffs, that strong 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.480 armed approach that subjects everybody to that to what end 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.159 it remains to be seen, is not something that the 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:05.080 majority of people signed up for. And so to still 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:12.559 have that, I guess that high of an approval rating 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.479 relative to the rest of the people who are looking 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.560 at this, like yo, okay, So he's the president. What 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.920 is all this stuff coming out of left field? That's 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.080 the part that feels a little crazy. So I'm appreciative 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.479 of you know, you're kind of given that insight, and 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:31.160 you know your point is made that you know, it's 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.280 incumbent upon every administration to kind of rework the government 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.400 in such a way that they can accomplish whatever it 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.919 is they set out to accomplish. But based on everything 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.440 that I know that I've been made aware of in 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.480 my lifetime, this is very different. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.000 There are things that are being reworked in a way that. 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:54.440 Feel like they fly in the face of what this 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.080 country is about. Donald Trump has famously talked about running 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:58.839 for a third term. He's walked it back, of course, 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.080 a few times, and then walked it out again, and 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.040 there's people around. 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:02.599 Him that support that. 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.480 So this, this whole administration feels a little strange. You 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:07.800 go ahead and respond to that because I talked for 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.040 a little bit, and then I want to switch gears 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:09.480 one more time. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.000 Don't that's a troll, right, I mean, don't don't fall 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.280 into the trap that that Trump wants you to follow 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:19.400 the trap into, because obviously it's a pro he's not 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.800 he's not looking to do to run for a third term. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:28.800 No one's supporting that. He Look, let me say this, 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.920 one of the one of the biggest issues that I 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.160 don't spend enough time talking about, but it really is 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:40.000 one of the most important issues to me, is the 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:44.760 outrageous growth of executive power. I think that executive the 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.080 growth and executive power, the growth of the power of 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:51.840 the presidency, specifically through executive orders, that has been growing 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:56.040 exponentially with every president, right, every president. Yes, this this 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.360 president has done more executive orders than Joe Biden. Joe 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:03.560 Biden more than the than Barack Obama. Barack Obama did 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.120 more than George Bush and so forth and so on. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.800 I think it is dangerous. I think it is one 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.720 of the things that we have to spend. And by 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.920 the way, it's and I think it's a non Parson issue. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.360 I think people there's there's no politics to it. I 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.240 think both sides should come together and say we have 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.600 to arrest this growth in presidential power. I don't like it, 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.520 and I think it's dangerous. So yeah, I'm not a 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.040 big fan of a lot of things that the president 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:36.440 has done, even particularly the increase of executive power. But 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.560 he's done nothing different or out of order than the 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.880 prior president to him, and the prior president before that. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.400 I think all of that is dangerous and all of 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.000 it needs to be stopped. I think the fact we 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.120 have three branch of government was created for a reason, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.040 and I think that when you curtail the power of one, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:54.720 it is not good for this country. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:09:00.320 Okay, so that's fair. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna. I 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.199 want to lean into this a little bit if I can. 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:03.600 So. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.520 I am black, all of my hair should give that away. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:16.240 And I work with marginalized communities, with Native communities, with 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:21.600 women with lgbtq i A plus individuals, with religious minorities. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:22.640 With you know, you name it. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.920 Historically in this country, black people have had kind of 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.040 the loudest voice and been able to go first. And 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.480 so my philosophy has always been, Hey, if I can 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:31.800 get in the door, I'm going to try to bring 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.440 as many of you guys with me. We'll try to 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:40.280 affirm our right to an equitable goal in this country. 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.280 Donald Trump one of the things that he's done that 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.600 is so sweeping and so fundamentally different from any other president, 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.959 including Reagan, Nixon. These guys that were on the phone, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.080 calling black people monkeys and wondering why we wore shoes 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:54.000 and all that sort of stuff. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:54.600 Factual. 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:56.800 Wait, who said that? 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.679 Reagan and I just it just came up again and news. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:01.480 This is an old story. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:05.160 But Reagan and Nixon had a phone call that was recorded, 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.800 and they you know, people forget that their calls are recorded. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:09.280 But they had to go to. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.520 Some global summit and they were recapping it and they 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.960 were talking about the leaders from African countries and they 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:20.120 were impressed at the leaders from the African countries and 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.160 they were like, yeah, I'm surprised they were wearing shoes. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.280 You know, I thought they'd be like monkeys or whatever. 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:25.400 And you could look that up yourself. 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:31.240 It's why. Yeah, yeah, please, but and you listen, please 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:31.640 look it up. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:33.839 I stand by it. I was just as shocked years 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.240 ago when I saw it, and you know, was shocked 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.120 again when I when I came across again. But anyway, 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:46.319 so Donald Trump, more than even those people, has had 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:53.240 this relentless attack on DEI. Right now, you agree with 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:57.400 a lot of things that the conservative moment is calling for, 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.679 so we don't need to get into those weeks particularly, 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:05.200 but an attack on DEI diversity, equity, and inclusion. I 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.280 want to make sure I say that because those words matter. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:13.080 An attack on diversity, equity and inclusion in the United 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:19.760 States of America is one thing, unconscionable as it may be, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:26.000 it's one thing. The overreach, however, has spilled into institutions that, 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:32.960 traditionally speaking, lie beyond the influence of the president to 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.760 specifically carry out that agenda. Right there are people who 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:41.000 are black, been black under a number of presidents, doing 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:47.280 a job, and this administration seeks them out and replaces 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:51.880 them because they now have a justification or rallying cry. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.800 They can say this is DEI. We don't need any 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.400 DEI or woke nonsense. I guess they want sleep nonsense. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:58.840 I don't know. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.240 But go through and fire people, and some of these 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:03.960 people I know, And that's the part of at least people 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.080 I met in DC, you know, And obviously museums and 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.360 institutions that are really meaningful to my people, places I 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.280 can take my children and show them we're more than 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.360 just the numbers. We're more than just this data that 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.680 says that we do everything bad and we're always sick 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.080 and nothing good happens for us. 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:19.440 But no there's a story here. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.000 We're not just born to be bad and everything wrong 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.040 happens to us. No, there are things that have happened 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.160 along the way that have resulted in the data that 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:33.480 you you are interpreting, and these things help frame the picture, 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.120 so you are valuable. There are conditions that have placed 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.960 our people in these circumstances. Right, that's important. That context 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:41.920 is important for black children and for all children. Right, 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.920 and these things have been attacked by this administration. Now, 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:50.480 before you jump in on me, we could extend that. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.400 We could have conversations. We did have a conversation about 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:58.040 you know, pronouns and trans athletes for some reason, athletes. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.000 How many trans athletes exist? We have this kind of 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.640 not a lot, but you know, it affects all trans 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.680 people because it shapes their reality. 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:05.040 Right. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.319 We could have conversations about immigration. We could have conversations 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:14.280 about you know, people's rights to protest on school campuses 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.440 or in general. We could have conversations about attacks on 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.360 free press. We could have a number of conversations and 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:26.080 we do. I want to say this. I want everybody 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.480 listening to hear me. Amy Horowitz is my friend. Amy 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.760 Horowitz is my brother. Okay, Amy Horowitz loves my children. 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.440 Ami Horowitz is a supporter of this show, even though 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.280 he doesn't agree with anything I'm talking about on the show. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.360 And I'm a supporter of Amy. I love Amy's mom, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.200 I love what Amy stands for. I think that Amy 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.800 is a good human being. Amy is not a racist. 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.320 Man. I'm a living, breathing testament to that fact. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:52.480 With that said, I'm going to ask you this question, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.400 and I want you to answer it for the benefit 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.040 of our listeners so that they can learn from you 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:56.280 and me. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:57.320 Okay, you with me? 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:04.439 Okay, How you are not racist? Given everything I've said? 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:09.360 How is it that you believe in everything that is 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.160 the opposite of what the majority, the vast majority of 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.559 black people want? How is it that that does not 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.120 How can you explain that that is not fundamentally anti black? 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:21.800 The floor is yours. 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:28.160 Okay, it's a fair question. It's a great question, And 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.760 I will say, I mean, there's a lot to unpack 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.520 on what you said, right, Sorry, that's all right. I'll 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:34.920 try to get to as much as I can remember 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:39.560 without taking doubts. First of all, DEI and you said 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:44.160 words are important. I could not agree more. Diversity, equity, 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.280 and inclusion. And I will say to you at that 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:52.960 word that's being sandwiched between diversity and inclusion is a 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:59.280 very dangerous word. Equity, not equality. Equity equity fundamentally the 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:06.440 difference and equity is massive. It's massive. Equity means that 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.720 everyone ends up in the same place. I just don't 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.800 believe that's a reality. I don't believe that's something we 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:16.000 should try for Equality, that everyone has the same opportunity 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:22.400 is the word that I feel emotionally connected to and 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:27.400 feels the more important word. Look, the name Thomas Soul 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.520 is a name most people don't know. 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.000 I know you did. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.720 And I would say Thomas Soul is not the most 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.440 important black thinker. He's not the most important or not 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.320 the greatest conservative thinker. I would argue Thomas Soul is 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.840 the greatest thinker we have in America today. Happens to 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.280 be a black ben right, and he talks about this 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:55.840 stuff at nausey. There's a reason why Donald Trump, and 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.600 you said almost all black people believe in these things. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:04.040 I don't know if you're right. I don't Donald Trump 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.040 got a forty increase in the black vote. 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:11.360 Yeah, increase real quick, Tommy, let's let's let's let's make 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:11.920 that number live. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:12.760 I want you to continue. 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.560 That forty increase in the black vote still resulted in 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.040 eighty three percent of Black men voting for Kamala Harrison 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.240 ninety two percent of Black women voting for Kamala Harris. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.200 So it's still a razor thin. No, No, it's a 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.200 small not for sure small number of people black people. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:30.080 But go ahead, twelve to seventeen percent is a big jump. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.320 I know because the number because so many Black people 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.360 voted Democrat for so many years. Yes, of course, ultimately 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.000 the number is is is the vast majority is still 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.960 voting for Democratic policies. But they had four years to 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.080 see Donald Trump in a first term and they still 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.080 increase their vote for the man. I think that says 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:54.240 a lot ultimately. Let me look, I'm going to continue 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.200 with what I'm saying, but let me ask you one 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:02.000 quick question. Maybe it's not a quick question. Okay, you 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.240 know what, never mind, let me let me let me 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:08.240 lady canah ahead, Okay. Obviously everything what I'm saying is 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:13.520 coming from a place of good right again, not what 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.119 we taught before, not malice, right, You know that what 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.280 I'm saying not coming from malice. I do believe that 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:29.200 DDI does retard the growth of anybody who's trying to excel, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.920 whether it be black or Hispanic, or Jewish or wherever. 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.520 I think those kind of policies are not positive policies. 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:39.439 And I'll give you an example when when you when 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.919 the UC system used University of California school system, they 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.200 abolish affirmative action in nineteen ninety six, and that was 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.479 a huge outcry saying it's going to destroy black education 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.600 in California. And look, we didn't have any data, and 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.199 there was an argument that that's true, right, And at 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.840 the time I was probably I don't remember exactly about 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:59.920 I'm sure I was for taking off of her of action. 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.440 And the truth is, the first few years after nineteen 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.520 ninety six, up in two two thousand, the black student 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.359 population the UC system, which is probably the best public 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.840 school universe system in the country, went down quite a bit. 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.520 Looking back thirty years ahead, it's incredible what it does 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.040 for the black community. The numbers actually have not changed 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.520 that much. In fact, there's a bit of an increase 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.040 that there's about a twenty percent increase in black enrollment 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:29.040 in the UC system overall. After the abolishment of affirmative 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.280 action in the system, even in the really good schools 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.040 in Berkeley went down quite a bit. UCLA a grade school, 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:39.080 it actually went up, and by the way, and also 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:43.560 the failure rate of black students went down significantly in 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.080 the UC system. So I'm only using that as an 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:47.920 example because I don't really know a lot of the 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.240 data beyond that. But I'm from California. At the time, 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.960 I was very interested. I still am. The play of 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.040 the black community, as you know, means a lot to me. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.879 I do a lot of videos on race and the 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:02.479 black community because it's important as a society. We cannot 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.040 succeed as a country with having an entire community fifteen 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.040 percent of the community being held down. That's not good 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.640 for just from a selfish perspective of the country, never 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.960 mind what's better or not better for black people. From 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.840 a self centered perspective, what's better for a country. We 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.360 need black people to succeed. We can't afford to have 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.240 that big a chunk of our country being held down. 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.639 And obviously, for a moral perspective, we can't do this. 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.680 So what I'm saying all these things come from perspective 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.600 of I want as much success for all minorities and 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.000 all people in America in general. But I've seen that 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:37.560 these things have ultimately overall helped and by the way, 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:39.800 DEI also comes at a cost. And I'll give you 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:45.719 an example, a personal example. The Jewish population in Universe 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.360 in Ivy League schools were over a third twenty five 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.480 years ago, and as the black student population has increased, 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.920 because they have continued to use DEI in a firm 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.320 of action in their policies, jewishters have been cut in 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.000 half half of what they were before. And I'm not 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:04.880 saying that's Look, I'm not saying we don't want more 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.000 black people in Ivy League schools. I want that and 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:08.920 we need that. I just don't think DUI is the 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:09.560 way to do it. 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:14.200 Okay, So just because we're running out of time, I'm 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.639 gonna jump in here and we have to kind of 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:23.639 wrap things up. Thank you for sharing that perspective. I 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.560 want to make sure that that stated. There are a 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:31.520 lot of people who don't know that people that oppose diversity, 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:36.919 equity and inclusion have a logical linear argument for it. 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:40.120 They just simply think that these people are morally bankrupt. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.159 Some of them are a lot of them are, but 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.800 there are people such as yourself that can make a 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.480 logical argument based on the data that they have collected 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:55.520 and the interpretations of that data to arrive at the 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.880 conclusions that you've arrived at. Now, it would be irresponsible 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:03.600 of me not to respond. So I have to say 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:04.000 a couple of. 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.240 Things, and I would expect nothing less. 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:07.600 Absolutely. 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.199 The equity versus equality thing. I think that that's the 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.040 most important thing that I want to speak to here. 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:25.400 Equality is something that is very difficult to accomplish without equity, 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.320 And if you're familiar with the monopoly experiments, then this 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.320 would make a lot of sense to you. But if 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.960 you've been able to play the game longer than I have, 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:39.080 with all the rules working in your favor, and I 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.600 have not been able to and then all of a 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:45.440 sudden you say, okay, everything's fair. Start from zero, and 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.560 you have a head start, You've already bought up a 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:50.800 lot of properties, etc. And I'm just trying to have 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.600 a go in it, it becomes very challenging for me 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.840 to gain any ground and to be compared to you 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.480 in terms of the data, like how is my community 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:00.800 doing versus is your community? 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:02.480 For the sake of equality. 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:07.000 It presents some complicated factors, and I really want to 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:08.200 get to more of this, so we're just going to 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:09.160 have to have you back on. 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.800 But giving us that insight into. 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.320 The fact that there is at least something there, I 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:19.320 think that's important. 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:20.960 I don't you know this. 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:26.520 I don't like platforming dangerous ideas, but I do trust you, 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:31.720 and I do appreciate you letting us know that despite 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:36.320